The REAL reason for a science fair!! :(

[the_ignored]

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but I'm not really sure where this should go...anyway,

Get a load of this. This is too funny (I think?) to pass up:
http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair.html

Just read this:

Science Fair

The Scientific Method and Home School Science Fair procedures.

I. Purpose. Propose a question or problem for which you are seeking an answer.

II. Hypothesis. Turn your question or problem into a statement that presents the solution in such a way that it can either be proved or disproved (falsified).

III. Research. Gather information and plan your experiment that will prove or disprove your hypothesis.

IV. Experiment. Get equipment and conduct your experiment.

V. Conclusion. Present what you have discovered.

VI. Display construction. Make your board and table display.

VII. Science Fair Day. You as the presenter are the key to a great Science Fair Day.

Five things to remember:
1. Know your material.
2. Be Confident.
3. Communicate well.
4. Be thorough.
5. Pray your exhibit will witness to non-Christian visitors.


7. February 15 - 16, 2003: our science fair presentation at Har-Mar Mall in a public-secular setting for three reasons:

1) To promote home schools,
2) To show that Homeschool students can do good science.
3) To present our science fair project to non-Christian people. This should be a great Gospel outreach.

We heard about one lady who saw the Science Fair displays at the Mall. She began to read some of the verses on the displays and was convicted to start attending church and get right with God. There are probably other stories like this we have not heard but it shows the power of God’s Word through our program.



Sheesh! Get a load of their ideas for SCIENCE FAIR
CREATION SCIENCE TOPICS page:
http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair_ideas.html

I like this strawman:
Evolutionists ask this question:
How can I prove that evolution is true (and God does not exist). This may not be stated in this way, but is inferred by their writings. Darwin and others have said that if evolution is true, there is no need for God.

Creation scientists need to ask this question:
What can I learn about myself, God, and God's plan for the universe as I study His creation today. I believe true science is a way to learn more about God and ourselves. It is a living class room in which God is the Instructor and we the students. Jesus used common things in nature to illustrate his principles as he taught.

The Bible says, "The fear of God is the beginning of knowledge." God will not honor scientist's work if they do not honor Him. Some of the greatest scientific breakthroughs and discoveries were made by Christian men and women.

[neutrino_cannon]

Well, haven't got anything snappy to say to that.

http://mchawking.imarc.net/songs/FtheCreationists.mp3

Just what we need, children spreading the fundamental ists warped view of the cosmos.


Stephen J. Gould should put his foot right up thier @$$3z.:(

[c4ts]

It's funny how they describe the scientific method and ignore it at the same time. I don't suppose they have any experiments to test whether or not there is a God...

[shemp]

Check out some of the possible topics:

http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair_ideas.html

"14. Can salt water and fresh water fish live in the same water or not?"

Encourages kids to kill a bunch of fish to prove the obvious.

"15. How long can flies survive freezing in a frig?"

I'd like to know, how long can flies survive if you frig them?

"18. Is intelligence influenced by physical attributes. i.e. are blondes "dumb" or does skin color influence intelligence?"

Now, this would be a great experiment. Get some supermodels in t-shirts, get them wet, and ask them theoretical physics questions.

"19. Can a dog run a maze faster than a gerbil?"

Can you get a dog to fit in a gerbil maze?

"22. Could a person function without thumbs? or What would it be like to not have thumbs?"

Kids, cut off your thumbs for science!

"53. Were all the animals friendly to man before the Flood? Idea: raise several baby animals like snake and mouse together to see if they remain friends as they are older."

Freakin Jesus! Who came up with these suggestions?!

"66. What color is our brain?"

Sure, encourage kids to practice trepanning.

These people are too much!

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by shemp
"22. Could a person function without thumbs? or What would it be like to not have thumbs?"




To be fair, I think this suggestion is excellent. The best science fair exhibits are interactive. I could imagine an exhibit where visitors with their thumbs taped to the sides of their hands would try to perform common tasks such as writing or attempting to hold a glass of water using only their palms and remaining fingers.

[the_ignored]

Well, bloody hell. You'd expect this kind of stuff, wouldn't you?

83. Why do people believe in Evolution?
84. What events caused them to become evolutionists?

Gee, could it be because of the freaking evidence (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/)?

See also here (http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/gstory.htm) for an example of creationist geology not working in real life, which in turn is one of the stories from this page (http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/person.htm).

I escpecially like the 105.What are aliens and are there really any in our world? see Lamentations 5:2, Eph 2:12, Heb 11:34.

[Nyarlathotep]

My personal favorite is #8: How much voltage or current can a human take before he is killed? Could do experiments on a plant.

I don't think a plant is the right thing to use for the experiment, though. I think the nitwit who came up with the idea of a science fair based on bad science (i.e. the person responsible for the "home schooling science fair") would be a much better subject for the experiment. Of course he wouldn't be much smarter than a plant, but still......

[Questioninggeller]

Originally posted by c4ts
It's funny how they describe the scientific method and ignore it at the same time. I don't suppose they have any experiments to test whether or not there is a God...

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
My personal favorite is #8: How much voltage or current can a human take before he is killed? Could do experiments on a plant.

I don't think a plant is the right thing to use for the experiment, though. I think the nitwit who came up with the idea of a science fair based on bad science (i.e. the person responsible for the "home schooling science fair") would be a much better subject for the experiment. Of course he wouldn't be much smarter than a plant, but still......

What they should investigate is whether or not electromagnetic fields affect the direction of plant growth.

My mistake, a real science experiment would be considered atheism. I suppose I should stay in the shallow end of the pool, asking questions I have the answers to, and setting out to prove what I already think I know.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by c4ts


What they should investigate is whether or not electromagnetic fields affect the direction of plant growth.

My mistake, a real science experiment would be considered atheism. I suppose I should stay in the shallow end of the pool, asking questions I have the answers to, and setting out to prove what I already think I know.

Besides why would they need science when they have "THE TRUTH" tm

[c4ts]

Have you seen their homepage?
http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/

Now, how do you expect they could explain dinosaurs without figuring out what evolution really means? Oh, right, their firm devotion to the story of Noah prevents them from putting two and two together...

And check this bit of cryptozoology out...
http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/manipogo.html

Those poor suckers. Just look at the testimonials.

You'll notice there isn't one photo of campers watching Manipogo, but they promise evidence!

Tired of “ho hum” canned vacations? Want to do something very few people do? Want to find evidence that dinosaurs still live today? Want to do a “non-tourist” trip with guides who give a Biblical interpretation of God’s creation. Then going on an Adventure Safarisvacation is just for you. We are doing research and investigation of sightings of a dinosaur like creature called Manipogo in Lake Manitoba, Manitoba, Canada. We will spend the week interviewing eye witnesses, visiting Manipogo sighting locations, visiting elders of the Native American tribes to record their stories of Manipogo.

I'm sorry, but that's just sad. Getting kids' hopes up that they might see a REAL LIVE DINOSAUR when all they really do is ask a bunch of locals for fish stories, and spend the rest of the time talking about how they need Gawd every single day of their entire lives.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by shemp
Check out some of the possible topics:

http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair_ideas.html

"14. Can salt water and fresh water fish live in the same water or not?"

Encourages kids to kill a bunch of fish to prove the obvious.

"15. How long can flies survive freezing in a frig?"

I'd like to know, how long can flies survive if you frig them?

"18. Is intelligence influenced by physical attributes. i.e. are blondes "dumb" or does skin color influence intelligence?"

Now, this would be a great experiment. Get some supermodels in t-shirts, get them wet, and ask them theoretical physics questions.

"19. Can a dog run a maze faster than a gerbil?"

Can you get a dog to fit in a gerbil maze?

"22. Could a person function without thumbs? or What would it be like to not have thumbs?"

Kids, cut off your thumbs for science!

"53. Were all the animals friendly to man before the Flood? Idea: raise several baby animals like snake and mouse together to see if they remain friends as they are older."

Freakin Jesus! Who came up with these suggestions?!

"66. What color is our brain?"

Sure, encourage kids to practice trepanning.

These people are too much!

It was question 23 that stumped me.....>

23. Why do we have an Adams apple?

What does this indicate to those of us who do not have an Adam's apple?
:confused:

As for this question 104.Why do cats hate dogs and dogs hate cats?
My cat Ripley loves my dog Tasha!

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Ruby


It was question 23 that stumped me.....>

23. Why do we have an Adams apple?

What does this indicate to those of us who do not have an Adam's apple?
:confused:

Something minor about the evolutionary development of physical variations between the males and females of our species (according to current theory, that is), I would imagine... wait, the whole site is against that. I suppose it indicates that Adam ate the apple but not Eve!

As for this question 104.Why do cats hate dogs and dogs hate cats?
My cat Ripley loves my dog Tasha!

As you can see, begging the question should not be a part of scientific thought.

[UnrepentantSinner]

This is just sad. I can see these fresh faced college freshmen showing up at their State U and proudly demonstrating their "knowledge" in Bio 101.

I imagine the "dropped chalk" urban legend in reverse...

[rikzilla]

Did you guys check out the "scale model of the "Ark"???
:D :D :D :D :D

I wonder what "science" that's based on?? :confused: Hey, maybe God sent the guy visions of the Ark eh?? Notice the "Ark" (http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair_2002_pix.html) was made by none other than Russ McGlen himself!! :rolleyes:

[Ruby]

Originally posted by c4ts
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Something minor about the evolutionary development of physical variations between the males and females of our species (according to current theory, that is), I would imagine... wait, the whole site is against that. I suppose it indicates that Adam ate the apple but not Eve!



As you can see, begging the question should not be a part of scientific thought. [/B]

:D

[kedo1981]

We sent my step daughter to a Nazarene Christian school some years ago (she had flunked a year and it seemed like a good idea to get her into smaller classes, more student teacher interaction), anyway they had a Sci-fair; I helped her make a shoebox pinhole camera. The students had to write a report of course but had to include a biblical reference. I don’t recall any displays that had a creationist theme.
It was a weird year; she would come home from school and start talking about the history of early American missionaries and such but not much “secular” history; one chapter in her book stated that the reason the native Americans lost their lands was because they were idol worshipers and would not accept Christ.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by kedo1981
We sent my step daughter to a Nazarene Christian school some years ago (she had flunked a year and it seemed like a good idea to get her into smaller classes, more student teacher interaction), anyway they had a Sci-fair; I helped her make a shoebox pinhole camera. The students had to write a report of course but had to include a biblical reference. I don’t recall any displays that had a creationist theme.
It was a weird year; she would come home from school and start talking about the history of early American missionaries and such but not much “secular” history; one chapter in her book stated that the reason the native Americans lost their lands was because they were idol worshipers and would not accept Christ.

Religious schools seem to like to distort history to their ends. One of my college history professors said that he used to teach at a Catholic high school. He said that he was told to never refer to the "Reformation" instead to call it "The Protestant Rebellion"

From that point forward I had an image in my head of Martin Luther and Pope Innocent engaged in a lightsaber duel with the Pope saying "Martin, I am your father....."

[Darwin]

"Stephen J. Gould should put his foot right up thier @$$3z"
If he was not dead,I hope they will at least stop referring to him and thinking he WAS building a foundation for them (would turn in his grave)

"What events caused them to become evolutionists?"
This sounds like a title for a psychological trick (easily passed on to kids I assume)

"My mistake, a real science experiment would be considered atheism. I suppose I should stay in the shallow end of the pool, asking questions I have the answers to, and setting out to prove what I already think I know."
It´s like a geophysicist clinging to a flat earth,to hold onto such and then try to build a house on sand.


"Why do cats hate dogs and dogs hate cats?"
As Ruby points out,dogs do not necessarily hate cats.
However,their behaviors differ.Cats like to stare at creatures as an example which a dog may see as a threat.

"23. Why do we have an Adams apple?"
Vestigial organ? :D

"Getting kids' hopes up that they might see a REAL LIVE DINOSAUR"
Many kids seem to go trough their own "jurassic age".
Would make me think they would be highly skeptical.

[c4ts]

I wonder what happens to Creationism when someone realizes that DARWIN WAS CHRISTIAN?

[Darwin]

"I wonder what happens to Creationism when someone realizes that DARWIN WAS CHRISTIAN?"
I think one misconception is to refer to him as an atheist,which probably complements insane ideas about the "enemy of religion" or whatever horns they like(d) to paint over his head.
Was christian during his younger years,during the "voyage of the beagle" (1831-6) and was known to have quoted bible a time or two.
Later,he eventually became agnostic and most likely died as one (being a trained theologian)
Why that happened,one cannot say for sure but I´m suspecting (based on his own writings to a degree) it had to do with great personal hardship,lifework&questions that probably still continue to concern a lot of people.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Darwin
[BCats like to stare at creatures as an example which a dog may see as a threat.[/B]

Cats like to stare because they know it freaks out humans and intimidates dogs. It's an evolutionary adaption in response to domestication ;) :D

So anyway, we can tie up the "is there a God" question with Experiment #8: How much voltage or current can a human take before he is killed? by modifying the research question in reference to the Wednesday Addams after-life paradigm in the following manner:

"#8: How much voltage or current can a creationist take before he meets his maker?"

Of course, collecting the data is a bit of a bugger, but I'm willing to give it a go in the name of science... :)

[Robaato]

I was going to point out that this sounds a lot like a homeschooling science fair that happened every year at a mall I used to work at...until I clicked on the link and realized that this is the fair that happened at that mall.

I was wondering why that stupid "scale model of some part of the Ark" kept showing up every year (by now it would be at least 4 or 5 years since the first time I saw it). I just assumed that the kid who's dad had built it was having trouble progressing in school...

From the pictures, it looks like they've finally started moving the fair away from the B&N (where I worked) and towards the Northwestern Bookstore at the other end of the mall, which is a much more appropriate location for it...

[Ossai]

104.Why do cats hate dogs and dogs hate cats?
Interesting, and completely pointless, story about a non-close family and their pets.

The family had a full grown cat and the kids wanted a dog so the father bought a German Shepherd puppy. The cat had recently had kittens, given away, and adopted the puppy. (later fixed - they didn't think it was old enought to have kittens the first time)

Fast forward a couple of years. The adult German Shepherd still treated the cat as it's mother and would very fiercely protect the cat if someone were trying to bother it.
In other words the cat would walk around and decide who's lap it want to sit in. If someone else tried to pick it up the dog would step between the cat and the person and look menacing.
When walking outdoors with both animals, the dog would get in fights to protect the cat.

[shecky]

58. Why did God create the moon to control the tides?

So that's why we have a moon!?! Boy, those tides must have been a real handful before God made the moon to keep them under control.

There is no emoticon for how I feel!

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by shecky


So that's why we have a moon!?! Boy, those tides must have been a real handful before God made the moon to keep them under control.

There is no emoticon for how I feel!

That one is a good example of what they try to pass of as science. Notice that it's not "What controls the tides?" or "What would the effects be of not having a moon?" or anything similar. It's "Why did God create the monn to control the tides?"

It starts from a conclusion (That God created the moon to control the tides) and looks for evidence to support it.

The fact that they can have a suggestion like that and still claim that their science fair is for the purpose of "showing that home schooled students excel at science" (or some such nonsense, I didn't go back to look at the exact wording) is ludicrous.

Feh! that's all I can say about the subject.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by shecky


So that's why we have a moon!?! Boy, those tides must have been a real handful before God made the moon to keep them under control.

There is no emoticon for how I feel!

ATOMS obey TLOP.
The MOON is made of ATOMS.
Therefore, YOU have no more free will than uh... heh heh, I won't be starting any of that.

[aerosolben]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
The fact that they can have a suggestion like that and still claim that their science fair is for the purpose of "showing that home schooled students excel at science" (or some such nonsense, I didn't go back to look at the exact wording)

The exact wording is:
7. February 15 - 16, 2003: our science fair presentation at Har-Mar Mall in a public-secular setting for three reasons:

1) To promote home schools,
2) To show that Homeschool students can do good science.
3) To present our science fair project to non-Christian people. This should be a great Gospel outreach.
They is good at speling and grammer to.

[Nyarlathotep]

Either way I still find their claim laughable

[UnrepentantSinner]

I "found" this site on another forum and was going to post about it, thankfull (lesson 1) I did a search of this forum to see if it's already been discussed.

I also ran a reverse phone directory check (lesson 2) on the numbers listed and they check out. I further noticed that there are plenty of ad links to legitimate businesses and activities on this page (lesson 3) a clear indication that it's legit and not a hoax like another astoundingly similar web site.

Might this one be the inspiration for the Creation Science Fair parody? Sure has that appearance.

[Earthborn]

Originally posted by Ruby
23. Why do we have an Adams apple?

What does this indicate to those of us who do not have an Adam's apple?
:confused: All of us have Adam's apples, but some of us have larger ones than others. The size correlates well with gender, but other body parts (I'm sure I don't have to mention them) correlate even stronger.As for this question 104.Why do cats hate dogs and dogs hate cats?
My cat Ripley loves my dog Tasha! Aha! You may have the answer to 53. ;)58. Why did God create the moon to control the tides?Okay... God created the moon to control the tides so fishes living in the sea would be thrown on land once in a while, which is the reason why land animals started to appear: the fishes that were thrown on land, but were best able to crawl back to the sea were the ones that were more likely to survive and... Oh wait, that's not very creation scientific is it? :D

[Keneke]

99. Does a mare in foal become more ornery than one not?

Ah reckon some kids hanker fer knowing bout some animal husbandry.

[LawnOven]

Haha, this is, by far, my favorite one.

72. What is God made of?

he's made of...

LIES! LIES I TELL YOU!!!

[Yahweh]

Is this a parody, or should I be feeling angry?

[Swishy McJackass]

God has created two forms of energy:

...

2. Refined Energy. God gave the raw energy a positive and negative charge so that it could bind together into spinning rings of energy to form matter. This is called the Spinning Ring Model of the Atom.

Wha?

My materials are not available in any textbook...

Gee, I wonder why?

[espritch]

Is this a parody, or should I be feeling angry?

Well, I looked for links back to Landover Church but there did not appear to be any. So I guess this is really what it appears to be: fundamentalist nut jobs abusing children again. :(

[The Don]

17. Does geography affect health?
Well mountains give me vertigo

28. What makes an animal wild?
Putting them in a zoo makes them livid (thanks to Not the Nine o'Clock News)

33. Why is hair thicker on the head than the rest of the body?
My body is considerably thicker than any hair *I've* seen

54. Why do they live longer before the Flood?
Would this be an experiment in animal drowning ? Pass me the sack of puppies

78. What is rubber made out of?
Huh ?

81. Why are there joints and cracks in the earth's crust?
Does this mean that there's a spliff mine somewhere ?

110. Why does lead melt at a low temperature?
To prove it's a low temperature, try sticking your hand in the crucible

[homunculus]

"66. What color is our brain?"

This just confirms what I've suspected for a long time. The Creationists are actually sharing one brain.

Paul.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Yahweh
Is this a parody, or should I be feeling angry?

Sigh..

posted by me just a few messages above.

I also ran a reverse phone directory check (lesson 2) on the numbers listed and they check out. I further noticed that there are plenty of ad links to legitimate businesses and activities on this page (lesson 3) a clear indication that it's legit and not a hoax like another astoundingly similar web site.

[allanb]

Thanks to the Science Fair movement, we now know what happened to the Loch Ness monster; he's alive and well and living in Canada (and has changed his name to Manipogo).

I'm glad that's been cleared up.

[Kopji]

Electricity and Physics for the 2003-2004 Homeschool Year
God has created two forms of energy:

1. Raw Energy in the form of waves, like light, ultraviolet, infrared,
electrical, radio, and many other types of waves.

2. Refined Energy. God gave the raw energy a positive and negative charge so that it could bind together into spinning rings of energy to form matter. This is called the Spinning Ring Model of the Atom. Developed by Dr. Lucas and Dave Bergman. This year’s lessons will be based upon Russ’s best selling book, Design v. Chaos, A New Model of the Atom Based on Classical Science and a Biblical World View. Russ’s book is written in 6th grade language so that all levels can understand this amazing atom that God has created for the basis of the physical universe. If you understand magnetism you can understand the new model of the atom.

Hands on activities with circuit boards, ancient electricity, crystal skull, static electricity, crystal radios, Christian inventors, exploring magnetism, and much more.
http://tccsa.tc/adventure/2003/design_v_chaos.html

http://www.commonsensescience.org/


Pretty sure they are serious, I've actually seen this stuff about 'refined energy' in homeschool material before.

I was disappointed to find most of the data on the web to be like 'sheesh how dumb'. Homework for one of the physics guys to write something on the 'new model of the atom'.