Renee Rynn's Color Signs

[Ririon]

If I understand Renee Rynn correctly, your hand will always make a sign when under the influence of a color. So if you put your hand on a blue surface, it will always make the sign for blue etc.

In my experience, this is not true. My hands don't make any signs according to color, but that is not the point. If Renee Rynn's hand does that reliably even when Renee can't see what color the hand is touching, that is a paranormal ability.

Not only is it paranormal, but it is very easy to demonstrate, and everybody in this forum knows what that means: One million dollars! :)

[Ririon]

Renee Rynn's posts about this are in the "Could Scientists grab the million?"-thread.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1488665#post1488665
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1490346#post1490346
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1490814#post1490814

[Renee Rynn]

Hi Ririon, I see you are a critical thinker. But you do not understand what I told you. Every hand on earth continually makes the sign of the color that the body is corresponding to when that color has the most influence on it in either a negative or a positive way. Even as you type on your cmputer, your hand is making the sign of one of the colors that are naturally in nature that you have shining on you. there are many colors in the world, but the body will use each color individually in order to function throughout its life. One color allows the body to receive information, another color allows the body to think quick or slow, another color will make the person think negative while another color will make the person think positively. Of course, as the body uses these colors, the sign will appear on the hands.
The only way I can demonstrate how the colors work is to print out a document of what each color does to the body and get a pure white walled room and two people that have pure white underclothes on with the colored labels off the insides of them, and let the two people wearing the same color, wear different colored clothes at different intervals and let the public watch the reactions of their body and hear how differently they talk to each other as each color is apparent on them. Or better yet, they could wear the pure white clothes and a different color of light could be shone in the room at different intervals to see how the hands change and the talk changes and the body reacts in the way that my document describes to each different color.
I would set up a camera and audio talk to them and video their reactions and thoughts with each color on their body. Then the video can be studied with the documentation that I have previously put before the public. The Mayan civilization was very aware of the hand talk and have on thier pictures, several hand signs. Two very promenant hand signs are the red and the blue hands. If I was able to upload a picture on this site, I would put the two hands of the Mayas here for you to see but I do not see anywhere that I can put a picture here.
Renee

[ChristineR]

I've already worked out a practice protocol for Renee, which can easily be tightened up for a preliminary test. It uses a cardboard box, a blanket, three packages of construction paper, a scented candle, an ordinary six sided die, adhesive tape, two friends and three rooms.

[ChristineR]

Cross posted. The problem with that is that you would be able to see the colored light on the video. What if someone was wearing pure white standing in a white tub so that you could only see their upper body. Could you tell what color socks they were wearing?

[Rasmus]

Hi Ririon, I see you are a critical thinker. But you do not understand what I told you. Every hand on earth continually makes the sign of the color that the body is corresponding to when that color has the most influence on it in either a negative or a positive way.

can you describe how my hand will change when I am influenced to different coloured lights? What would I have to look for?

(I am certain there are some coliured lgiht bulps in the house still, so tell me what could I observe if the light around me changed from blue to red?

From white to green?

Even as you type on your cmputer, your hand is making the sign of one of the colors that are naturally in nature that you have shining on you. there are many colors in the world, but the body will use each color individually in order to function throughout its life.

How does the body "use" the colours?

I think there is a continuum of colours, and not a limited number of distinct colours. How many hand sighns are there for different colours, and what happens if a mixed colour is domnant at any given time? Or do the signs flow into each other according to the colour mix that is present?

One color allows the body to receive information,

Which colour is that?

Are you suggesting that I could not receice any information whatsoever if I was in an appropriately coloured room?

another color allows the body to think quick or slow, another color will make the person think negative while another color will make the person think positively. Of course, as the body uses these colors, the sign will appear on the hands.

Can the body not use a colour that is present in its enviroment? Suppose "green" makes me think negatively. Does this mean I can only think negativel when I see something green, or does it mean I will always think negatively as soon as I see the tyniest speck of green?

Again, can these effects be mixed like the colours that cause them?


The only way I can demonstrate how the colors work is to print out a document of what each color does to the body


Would you please be so kind?

and get a pure white walled room and two people that have pure white underclothes on with the colored labels off the insides of them, and let the two people wearing the same color, wear different colored clothes at different intervals and let the public watch the reactions of their body and hear how differently they talk to each other as each color is apparent on them.

All that would be needed, if I understood you correctly, was that one looked at their hands. The hands should clearly indicate the colour all by themselves.

Or better yet, they could wear the pure white clothes and a different color of light could be shone in the room at different intervals to see how the hands change and the talk changes and the body reacts in the way that my document describes to each different color.


Indeed. Can you please make that document available?

If I was able to upload a picture on this site, I would put the two hands of the Mayas here for you to see but I do not see anywhere that I can put a picture here.
Renee

When you write a message, you should get an editor that offers you all kinds of smileys and text formatting, etc. Click on the little paperclip - it will lead you to a form that allows you to upload images. (It's in the very top row of symbols, a bit to the right of the lists where you select the font style and size)

Rasmus.

[Ririon]

Hi Ririon, I see you are a critical thinker....
Thank you. :)

This all seems to involve people seing the colors. That is not paranormal.

I am afraid I don't understand the hand sign part of this. Could you describe a simple demonstration of this? Involving just one hand and one color for simplicity?

[Ririon]

Yes, yes yes. I can tell what color a blind person is touching just by the sign of their hands. I can tell any persons color that they touch just by the shape that their hands make. Even black and white pictures tell all through the signs that the hands and body make.
Renee(From the proverbial Other Thread.)

This is paranormal. And easy to test.

[Pup]

To bring my post from the other thread here, I suggested:

If a color were placed in front of a blind person, and you could see the blind person's hands but not the color, could you identify what the color was by the motion of the person's hands? If so, that would win the million easily enough.

And Renee replied

Yes, yes yes. I can tell what color a blind person is touching just by the sign of their hands. I can tell any persons color that they touch just by the shape that their hands make. Even black and white pictures tell all through the signs that the hands and body make.


So there's another possibility for a protocol. Actually, it occurs to me that it might be as easier to properly blindfold the subject, rather than find one who was blind.

So let's say a blind or blind-folded person places one hand on a colored piece of paper, and is photographed or videotaped in such a way that you can see their other hand, but not the hand touching the paper. Someone swaps the colored paper for another color, they're videotaped again, etc., and it's repeated for whatever number of different colors you think you could identify. This is all done without you being present, and is filmed in black and white, so there's no chance of seeing a reflection of the colored paper or anything like that.

If someone else (who wasn't present at the original photographing) showed you the videotape or photographs, could you identify which color the subjects were touching?

If it's necessary to see both hands, another possibility would be to drape a colored cloth over the subjects' laps and legs, below camera range.

Edited to add: I see Ririon was posting similar thoughts while I was typing!

[Ririon]

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Edited to add: I see Ririon was posting similar thoughts while I was typing!
Great minds think alike... ;)

Even easier protocol: Why not just blindfold Renee (properly of course)?

[Art Vandelay]

What constitutes "red"? Is an apple still red even in the dark? What if the only light is green?

[Renee Rynn]

The body does not need the eyes to see the colors. The body moves in tune to the colors irregardless of the brain function. The hands talk in the language of the colors that are natural in nature. All information is received and sent out through the black color. Everything that moves of its own accord, birds, fish, humans, animals insects have a black pupil in their eye and all information is received and sent out through the black color around the world. The sign of the black color is the fist and people that listen intently to others will inadvertantly put their fist under their chin while listening intently to another. Children do this all the time. The color green allows things to grow out from a central point without moving from it. The green colors allow the body to bend and stretch itself, really fun to watch. Without the green colors present the body would be stiff and jerky in movements. The red colors let liquid and sound out of the body. If there were no red colors anywhere, no one could cry or shout and let loud noises out of the body. When a baby cries in front of me I just take its red toy or red bottle away and put it out of sight and bingo the child stops crying. You cannot cry without the red color shining on the body.
I see you cannot leave your parlor games alone. I said that I do not play parlor games. I am practical and scientific and only converse on the things that I can prove.
Renee

[Rasmus]

All information is received and sent out through the black color.

I do not understand what you mean by this.

Everything that moves of its own accord, birds, fish, humans, animals insects have a black pupil in their eye and all information is received and sent out through the black color around the world.


I don't understand this, either.

And I don't see the relevance of this, since you said it would work with blind peolpe, too, regardless of eye function. So how is thew colour of the pupil relevant?

The sign of the black color is the fist and people that listen intently to others will inadvertantly put their fist under their chin while listening intently to another.

I like black as a colour; it certainly isn't the most dominant colour around me right now, but there is plenty of black present. I am not making a fist, nor do I feel an urge to.

Children do this all the time. The color green allows things to grow out from a central point without moving from it. The green colors allow the body to bend and stretch itself, really fun to watch. Without the green colors present the body would be stiff and jerky in movements.


There is very little green around me right now; I can't say I am feeling any stiffer than usual, and I see no difference to just a minute ago, where I could see the grass outside.

The red colors let liquid and sound out of the body. If there were no red colors anywhere, no one could cry or shout and let loud noises out of the body.

I think this could be easily tested. I admit that my car could easily move you to tears - but I doubt that has anything to do with its colour ...

When a baby cries in front of me I just take its red toy or red bottle away and put it out of sight and bingo the child stops crying. You cannot cry without the red color shining on the body.

Again, I guess this could be easily tested. All you would have to do is leave a baby in an environemtn that has no red in it for a few hours.


I see you cannot leave your parlor games alone. I said that I do not play parlor games. I am practical and scientific and only converse on the things that I can prove.
Renee

So go ahead and prove it; there's a million dollars waiting for you and a lot of what you say can be easily tested. In fact, you can easily shown to be wrong just by going to the toilet in a red-free environment.

Who do you accuse of playing games, though, and why is that?

Rasmus.

[Art Vandelay]

I don't think there's much point trying to have a rational conversation with him. His posts have the look of mental illness to me.

[Zep]

I was going to use the word "obsessed" in a post about this claim. This person puts me very much in mind of Gene Ray...

[vbloke]

What about infra-red and ultra-violet? Even though we can't see them, they're still colours as they're a continuation of the EM spectrum (you could go as far to include radio and microwaves in this too).

Seeing as we're continually surrounded by them, shouldn't these have a continual and measurable effect?

[ChristineR]

Renee Rynn, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of science.

The basis of science is:

(1) Observe the world around you.
(2) Form hypotheses based on the observations.
(3) Consider what would be the implications if the hypothesis were correct.
(4) Form predictions.
(5) Devise a test of the predicted phenomenom.
(6) The test either supports or undermines the hypothesis.
(7) Revise the hypotheses.
(8) Repeat ad infinitum.

Others would provide different, and no doubt better summaries of how it should work, but that's my presentation.

You seem to have done fine with steps (1) and (2) but you are resisting the further steps. What you are doing is not science because all your tests are subjective. Babies cry and people make hand signs constantly; you can get any results you choose simply by ignoring what does not fit your hypothesis and waiting long enough. The fact that you resisting the idea of objective tests where you cannot play these sorts of games proves that you are uninterested in the science. That these tests can easily be done in a parlor does not make them unscientific--it simply begs the question of why you have not done such tests on your own.

[hellaeon]

I say to test,

1) put coloured balls into a black box, with a small opening, or hand opening to reach in and grab one. Have some of that rubber around it that closes around your wrist so its nigh on impossible to see into it.
2) blindfold a person, or have them reach backwards so they cant see. Or even have their noggin over and in front of the box so that have to kind of reach down, but back a bit...any casework out a way to ensure they cant see.
3) they hold their other hand up in the air while holding the coloured ball
4) guess the colour (since thats all your doing) they are holding,
5) Pull the ball out
6) record the result
7) Put ball back in the box
8) loop until tries=10

I mean, its easy, and really, why come to randi to do it, why not just test and record the results. And dont sneak a look at the ball etc, I mean really have a go. Then find a measurement of success and see if its greater then chance.

At step 4, do one run of 10 where you really try, then the next 10, just pick whatever colour comes to mind.
do it 3 times for each, record the results, use averages.

Id say they would likely be very similar.
But if your on a consistant 9/10 well, its worth applying to the challenge.

cheers

[hellaeon]

I just noticed something...black isn't actually a colour...black is the absence of light and absence of color.

So how can you see through this newly defined colour

[steenkh]

What about having Renee identify what colours a person is looking at when the coloured object is out of sight for Renee?

[chillzero]

Everything that moves of its own accord, birds, fish, humans, animals insects have a black pupil in their eye and all information is received and sent out through the black color around the world.

The pupil in the eye is a hole - not any colour at all - that's why it is red in photographs, when the flash lights the back of the cornea.

The sign of the black color is the fist and people that listen intently to others will inadvertantly put their fist under their chin while listening intently to another.

I rarely wear colours - I only wear black, and I rarely, if ever, make a fist. When I listen to people, I do listen quite intently, but I either fold my hands on my lap, or lie my face along the palm of my hand, or perch my chin on the backs of my fingers - not on a fist.

If there were no red colors anywhere, no one could cry or shout and let loud noises out of the body.


I'm sorry, but this is clearly nonsense.

I made some suggestions to you before about taking time to write down in detail how you arrived at these beliefs, and to critically examine and test what you write. I see you have written some of this down, but now you really need to put it to the test. Are you suggesting that you have never seen a baby (or even a person) cry or shout when there is nothing red around? Never, ever? Think carefully and honestly.

[Renee Rynn]

Your replies are very interesting and show just how difficult it is to show new science to set thinkers. And you are right, just talking cannot teach or prove much without the visual facts.
You are all so confused with the concept of colors. You have to think out of the box. All the colored balls in creation will not do any good if the walls are red and the clothes you wear are pink or blue. There are many colors around human population and the body uses all those colors to be alive. The body itself, contains the colors within itself. The organs and flesh are red, the blood inside the body is blue. When the body opens itself up like going to the bathroom or opening the mouth or getting a cut etc, it shows its red colors, lets out liquid and makes a noise. Nasa is studying laser colors of blue and red and even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color and that is why a lot of their computers have a blue light on them. The black pupil of the eye is like a black hole in space, things go in and out of it. By the way, universes also are color coded in balance with each other. Where you see a red universe or star, there you will also see nearby a blue universe or star. The Sun is red and the far planets are blue. Blue and Red colored electromagnetic elements are totally opposite to each other. This creates a balance. Blue colors contain the purest positive electromagnetic elements that is known to man and Red colors contain the purest negative electromagnetic elements that is known to man. All the other colors are pulled into either a positive or a negative mode depending on which color they are put with. If we changed our world to a red colored world, the negative magnets of the red of our world and the negative magnets of the red of the sun would slide apart from each other and our world would move away from its place creating chaos in our universe.
Nasa is studying how to create gravity in a space ship. The red colors create the spin or giroscope effect and the blue colors create the stillness that nasa seeks for the astronaughts inside the space craft. You will find that they are using more and more blue colors inside their space station. Red creates velocity and more friction and this creates more red and more friction and more loss as things move apart from each other. As the hand will move all its fingers apart from each other and stand with its legs open to show a red opening of the body when the red color is present. The red aura/color on the body becomes absorbed through the skin into the body. Do a little test, put a paper on top of a red light of your cell phone or computer and see how the red color moves through the paper, that is how it goes through your skin as you sit for a length of time with it on you.
Rasmus, you say that you have lots of black but you do not make a fist, that is because you do not know how much red you have shining on you in the room and inside your clothes on your body. If you think that you do not have any red around you then try to take ALL the red that your eyes can see in the room, out of the room. Even the little red line on the writing paper or red picture on your shirt goes a long way. An impossible task, you will have practically nothing left. Red is a very powerful color and a little red creates more red and before you know it, all the shopping malls, the governments, the houses, the homes and gardens, the post offices, the schools, the churches and religions, the kings and queens, all the packages of food and drink start to make the red color a thing of admiration and pride. The red color is the ONLY color that causes friction, disintergration, disruption, problems, pain, illness and death. Red color on your bank account Oh Oh. tears and frustration and red face and red eyes on the body and the hands move around with open splayed fingers while the personality disintergrates. Do you think you are the only people that I have given this knowledge to? Check the cereal boxes and the magazines and you will find that blue is coming into age. Even Heinze Ketchup has made a blue ketchup, even tried purple and green. You will find that the past president Nixon wore red ties and the past president Clinton wore blue ties and so does the present President wear blue ties they are aware of my information.
All the babies disposable diapers contain a red picture on them. Poor babies. They throw their red bottle with red drink on the floor and their parents just pick it up clean it off and force it back into the childs mouth, Poor child, given a negative life before it can even walk. I heard on the tv last night that a couple just hit the baby to death. So sad. Too much red, creating red blood and red eyes and red jail.
Look for the two hand signs of red and blue on people. Red is easy to tell, so many people stand still walk or talk with their fingers parted from their hands as if their body was in shock the fingers mimicing fire burning or lava pouring from a mountain. See if you can notice the blue hand sign where all the fingers and thumb are together (like the blue shift of space) and the hand is cupped into an arc to mimic the blue sky arcing around the earth.
Renee

[Ririon]

I am afraid this is not going anywhere. Personally, I am not interested in page after page of your philosophy and religion. That kind of thing also has it's own section in the forum. Could we please concentrate on the "parlor games"? If you can do a short and simple demonstration, you will get a million dollars and all the attention you could want to your color philosophy.

If you sit in a white room with white clothes and a white blindfold, can you tell which color you are touching with your hand?

Please keep your reply short and to the point.

[Gr8wight]

This thread is the best example I have ever seen to explain the origin of the term "woo."

[petre]

All the colored balls in creation will not do any good if the walls are red and the clothes you wear are pink or blue. There are many colors around human population and the body uses all those colors to be alive. [snip]

So in short, you believe something about color, but it is impossible to form a controlled test to demonstrate any of it is true. Noted.

[Psiload]

Your replies are very interesting and show just how difficult it is to show new science to set thinkers. And you are right, just talking cannot teach or prove much without the visual facts.
You are all so confused with the concept of colors. You have to think out of the box. All the colored balls in creation will not do any good if the walls are red and the clothes you wear are pink or blue. There are many colors around human population and the body uses all those colors to be alive. The body itself, contains the colors within itself. The organs and flesh are red, the blood inside the body is blue. When the body opens itself up like going to the bathroom or opening the mouth or getting a cut etc, it shows its red colors, lets out liquid and makes a noise. Nasa is studying laser colors of blue and red and even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color and that is why a lot of their computers have a blue light on them. The black pupil of the eye is like a black hole in space, things go in and out of it. By the way, universes also are color coded in balance with each other. Where you see a red universe or star, there you will also see nearby a blue universe or star. The Sun is red and the far planets are blue. Blue and Red colored electromagnetic elements are totally opposite to each other. This creates a balance. Blue colors contain the purest positive electromagnetic elements that is known to man and Red colors contain the purest negative electromagnetic elements that is known to man. All the other colors are pulled into either a positive or a negative mode depending on which color they are put with. If we changed our world to a red colored world, the negative magnets of the red of our world and the negative magnets of the red of the sun would slide apart from each other and our world would move away from its place creating chaos in our universe.
Nasa is studying how to create gravity in a space ship. The red colors create the spin or giroscope effect and the blue colors create the stillness that nasa seeks for the astronaughts inside the space craft. You will find that they are using more and more blue colors inside their space station. Red creates velocity and more friction and this creates more red and more friction and more loss as things move apart from each other. As the hand will move all its fingers apart from each other and stand with its legs open to show a red opening of the body when the red color is present. The red aura/color on the body becomes absorbed through the skin into the body. Do a little test, put a paper on top of a red light of your cell phone or computer and see how the red color moves through the paper, that is how it goes through your skin as you sit for a length of time with it on you.
Rasmus, you say that you have lots of black but you do not make a fist, that is because you do not know how much red you have shining on you in the room and inside your clothes on your body. If you think that you do not have any red around you then try to take ALL the red that your eyes can see in the room, out of the room. Even the little red line on the writing paper or red picture on your shirt goes a long way. An impossible task, you will have practically nothing left. Red is a very powerful color and a little red creates more red and before you know it, all the shopping malls, the governments, the houses, the homes and gardens, the post offices, the schools, the churches and religions, the kings and queens, all the packages of food and drink start to make the red color a thing of admiration and pride. The red color is the ONLY color that causes friction, disintergration, disruption, problems, pain, illness and death. Red color on your bank account Oh Oh. tears and frustration and red face and red eyes on the body and the hands move around with open splayed fingers while the personality disintergrates. Do you think you are the only people that I have given this knowledge to? Check the cereal boxes and the magazines and you will find that blue is coming into age. Even Heinze Ketchup has made a blue ketchup, even tried purple and green. You will find that the past president Nixon wore red ties and the past president Clinton wore blue ties and so does the present President wear blue ties they are aware of my information.
All the babies disposable diapers contain a red picture on them. Poor babies. They throw their red bottle with red drink on the floor and their parents just pick it up clean it off and force it back into the childs mouth, Poor child, given a negative life before it can even walk. I heard on the tv last night that a couple just hit the baby to death. So sad. Too much red, creating red blood and red eyes and red jail.
Look for the two hand signs of red and blue on people. Red is easy to tell, so many people stand still walk or talk with their fingers parted from their hands as if their body was in shock the fingers mimicing fire burning or lava pouring from a mountain. See if you can notice the blue hand sign where all the fingers and thumb are together (like the blue shift of space) and the hand is cupped into an arc to mimic the blue sky arcing around the earth.
Renee


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Fascinating.

[steenkh]

There are many colors around human population and the body uses all those colors to be alive.
Can you elaborate on that? Apart from protecting the skin with darker colours, I do not believe that we need any colours at all to stay alive. It does not matter at all if the blood is red or green, but it just happens to be red.

The body itself, contains the colors within itself. The organs and flesh are red, the blood inside the body is blue.
And so what? BTW, the blood is only bluish when it is unoxygenated.

All things have colour. That does not mean that colour has an effect other than absorbing certain wavelengths of light.

... even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color and that is why a lot of their computers have a blue light on them. The black pupil of the eye is like a black hole in space, things go in and out of it.
You talking complete nonsense here! Please provide evidence for blue LEDs being anything else than fashion! In the old days the only practical LEDs were red. That is why red LEDs are so abundant on electrical equipment. Now, other colours are possible, too, and blue LEDs are being used also. So what?

"Things" do not go in and out of the pupil, "light" does! You are talking gibberish now!

Blue colors contain the purest positive electromagnetic elements that is known to man and Red colors contain the purest negative electromagnetic elements that is known to man. All the other colors are pulled into either a positive or a negative mode depending on which color they are put with.
If you do not want us to think that you really need a psychiatrist, you will have to provide some proof beghind your sweeping nonsensical statements!

Nasa is studying how to create gravity in a space ship. The red colors create the spin or giroscope effect and the blue colors create the stillness that nasa seeks for the astronaughts inside the space craft.

It just goes on and on ...
Provide evidence that red creates gyroscope effects, provide evidence that blue creates stillness!

[Marker]

Renee Rynn,

Is there anything that your understanding of colour would allow you to do that somebody without that understanding could not do?
Is there a simple way in which you could demonstrate the difference?Give the above some thought. If you can provide a clear answer to both points then you could find yourself winning $1,000,000 to do with as you please (for your personal benefit or to give to some good cause - it doesnt matter).

We are not interested in your theory or "out-of-the-box" thinking unless you can do something to demonstrate that the theory is sound i.e. provable. If you can do that then apart from the $1,000,000 you will also have the admiration and respect of everyone on this forum - not to mention keen interest by scientists around the world.

Then, and only then, we will all be extremely interested to hear more about your theory and view of the universe.

So - can you do it?

[chillzero]

As the hand will move all its fingers apart from each other and stand with its legs open to show a red opening of the body when the red color is present.
Renee

:D :D :D :D :D

[LTC8K6]

the past president Clinton wore blue ties and so does the present President wear blue ties they are aware of my information.

President Clinton often wore a red tie as does our current President. They apparently don't believe your information.

[TheBoyPaj]

Now this is odd.

Renee's barely comprehensible ramblings are quite similar to those of a group of colour-worshipping characters in Christopher Guest's movie "A Mighty Wind":

"This is not an occult science, this not one of those crazy systems of divinatrion and astrology. Those are hooey and you've got to have a screw loose to go in for that kind of thing. Our beliefs are fairly commonplace and simple to understand. Humankind is simply materialised colour, operating on the 49th vibration. You would make that conclusion walking down the street or going to the store."

And, in a previous thread, Renee came to the conclusion that blood was blue because of the appearance of the vein. This groundbreaking theory was previously suggested by Nigel Tufnel in This is Spinal Tap, who was played by Christopher Guest!

What's next? A theory that tuna fish have no bones?

[LordoftheLeftHand]

All the colored balls in creation will not do any good if the walls are red and the clothes you wear are pink or blue.

Nasa is studying laser colors of blue and red and even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color and that is why a lot of their computers have a blue light on them.

By the way, universes also are color coded in balance with each other.

Blue colors contain the purest positive electromagnetic elements that is known to man and Red colors contain the purest negative electromagnetic elements that is known to man.

The red colors create the spin or giroscope effect and the blue colors create the stillness that nasa seeks for the astronaughts inside the space craft.

Red creates velocity and more friction and this creates more red and more friction and more loss as things move apart from each other.

The red color is the ONLY color that causes friction, disintergration, disruption, problems, pain, illness and death. Red color on your bank account Oh Oh.

Do you think you are the only people that I have given this knowledge to? Check the cereal boxes and the magazines and you will find that blue is coming into age.

All the babies disposable diapers contain a red picture on them. Poor babies.

Uhhhh.... I'm speechless....

Maybe you should contact a mental health professional. I'm not trying to be funny:(

LLH

[RSLancastr]

I don't think there's much point trying to have a rational conversation with him. His posts have the look of mental illness to me.Agreed.

[eri]

Mental illness, and a complete lack of understanding of basic physics. Renee, please seek help - or at least open a high school physics textbook. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Try looking up 'electromagnetic radiation' and 'black holes' for a start.

[drkitten]

Mental illness, and a complete lack of understanding of basic physics. Renee, please seek help.

Eri, RS, LLH, Art, and anyone else tempted to practice medicine without a licence....

Please don't.

[Rasmus]

Eri, RS, LLH, Art, and anyone else tempted to practice medicine without a licence....

Please don't.

"Go see a doctor." is hardly praciticing medicine.

[hellaeon]

renee, that description was pretty amazing.
I have to ask, how did you come to these conclusions?

its fascinating

[RSLancastr]

"Go see a doctor." is hardly praciticing medicine.Right.

And neither is "Trying to talk reason to the homeless person about the aliens she says are in her head is probably going to help neither of you."

[joller]

You are all so confused with the concept of colors.
Paraphrasing futurama:
"This concept of colors confuses and infuriates us!"
Pardon me for this blatant reply, but ages of science and progress say it's you who is confused with the concept of colors. To possibly have any effect on your body you would definitely need to see them, unless your body has a different method of interpreting light spectrum.
Some cools links about the colours and a bit on how and why and when do we perceive them as specific colours:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s625794.htm
and this one I believe you will like even more:
http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s634005.htm

At the colored balls in creation will not do any good if the walls are red and the clothes you wear are pink or blue.
Of course. Plus as you said, you've got blood and organs and they've got their color as well, so it won't work anyway.
Hey, wait a minute.. how come the baby stopped crying when you took the red object? It's still got red blood and organs doesn't it?
"The organs and flesh are red, the blood inside the body is blue. "

you wrote:
even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color
and then:
Blue colors contain the purest positive electromagnetic elements that is known to man and Red colors contain the purest negative electromagnetic elements that is known to man
So how come blue is pirer than red? or is positivity purer than negativity?
Now this gem is my favourite:
By the way, universes also are color coded in balance with each other. Where you see a red universe(...)
How many universes can you actually see? Tell me, what is this "UNIVERSE" you're talking about, I'd like to know more about it.
And check that first link I've posted it's actually about the colour of the universe! And it's all hardcore science!
The red colors create the spin
Red creates (...) more friction
Since the red creates the spin, my spin on the colour RED protocol is as follows:
1.Draw the balls from a hat. Have red and other balls to choose from, other than the colour the balls should be identical. Don't peek at the balls while drawing.
2. Going by the friction of the ball's surface, decide whether the ball is red or not (to make it easier, just mix red balls with balls of the colour that has the exact opposite effect, lowers the friction. This way it'll be easier for you to decide which is which)
3. See if you can properly guess the colour of the balls and if you can significantly beat the chance (say 40 correct guesses out of 50 tries should be enough)

[Art Vandelay]

Eri, RS, LLH, Art, and anyone else tempted to practice medicine without a licence....

Please don't.I find the idea that one would a "license" to discuss someone's health rather disturbing. Oh, wait, now I'm discussing politics without a license! Funny how the Constitution goes out the window as soon there's money to be made.

[krelnius]

Alright, right away this is 100% false. I mean no offense but I alone can test it all by myself.

She Said CLEARLY: "The red color is the ONLY color that causes friction, disintergration, disruption, problems, pain, illness and death.":(

So, just using this as a basis for testing, I can take a room, paint it all blue, empty it out of all things, close my eyes, enter naked, and not only would I have no friction whatsoever but I would never feel pain, get sick, or die. I would live forever.:jaw-dropp

Or how bout a red soccer ball and a blue soccer ball? Since red is causing so much friction does that mean that a red ball can't be hit or kicked as far?:boggled:

Oh, she also said this: "Even as you type on your cmputer, your hand is making the sign of one of the colors that are naturally in nature that you have shining on you. there are many colors in the world, but the body will use each color individually in order to function throughout its life."

So, what about colors that are not "naturally in nature"? How about if I'm using a hot pink flourescent (not often seen in nature-poison arrow frogs and probably a handful of creatures half probably in the oceans of the world) light to light my room and nothing else? Will I just become paralyzed and unable to move my body? Perhaps just unable to move my hands? Could a non-natural color of light just kill me instantly or maybe "free" me from your idea of this color related mind control of light?

Next I begin to wonder if you really understand the difference between color and light....I mean, you do realize that a red piece of paper IS red without any light....you just can't see it without light reflecting off of it. You do realize that light is really without color and that a red lightbulb only seems red because of a red coating and same for a blue bulb etc. See, there is really only one "color of light" and even if there were thousands of colors of light, none could be seen without SOME LIGHT to be reflected from a surface TO your eye. So in that case a blind man would not be effected by reds friction right? Then he would float away into space right? Cause its not gravity that gives things weight and friction afterall, its the color red....right? Come to think of it, to heck with blue paint, just blindfold yourself and you can pull off the greatest levitation trick ever.

Well, I think I've said enough for now...I'm gonna go cover my eyes and fly away! Oh, do I need to think happy thoughts for that too?

[eri]

Nasa is studying laser colors of blue and red and even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color and that is why a lot of their computers have a blue light on them.

Evidence of NASA studies, please?

The black pupil of the eye is like a black hole in space, things go in and out of it.

Things go into black holes, but not back out again. Not even light. Hence the name 'black hole'.

By the way, universes also are color coded in balance with each other. Where you see a red universe or star, there you will also see nearby a blue universe or star.

Do you perhaps mean a red-shifted galaxy? The vast majority of galaxies are red-shifted from our perspective (and very few are blue-shifted), but then, those galaxies would see our galaxy as red as well. So do we appear angrier to some galaxies than others?

The Sun is red and the far planets are blue.

Actually, the Sun is green - that's the peak emission wavelength.

Blue and Red colored electromagnetic elements are totally opposite to each other. This creates a balance. Blue colors contain the purest positive electromagnetic elements that is known to man and Red colors contain the purest negative electromagnetic elements that is known to man.

What is an electromagnetic element, exactly? Please provide proof that blue is more pure than red.

The red colors create the spin or giroscope effect and the blue colors create the stillness that nasa seeks for the astronaughts inside the space craft. You will find that they are using more and more blue colors inside their space station. Red creates velocity and more friction and this creates more red and more friction and more loss as things move apart from each other.

No they don't. Where did you get this information?

And the following made me think delusional - unless Renee is referring to the information as common knowledge, and not something he/she has discovered.

You will find that the past president Nixon wore red ties and the past president Clinton wore blue ties and so does the present President wear blue ties they are aware of my information.

[TjW]

What's next? A theory that tuna fish have no bones?

Clearly, tuna fish have metal exoskeletons.

[krelnius]

Tuna Fish...TRANSFROM!!! :p

[Renee Rynn]

Your whole body moves as if it were moving though liquid, from color to color. I talked about the hands only because I thought that would be so easy for you to see on everyone. Apparently without a picture, you do not know what you are looking at. You all twist my words and confuse yourself and get lost in your judgment. The liquid movements of hands are only a tip of the iceberg colors control eye movements too and the negative and positive things that happen to the body and life of the person.
rasmus, you ask some very valid questions.
"How does the body "use" the colours?"
Well every color has a single job that it does in Nature and the body has to use that color in order to produce that effect on the body. Depending if the color is in the room along with red, it will produce negative effects on the body. And if the color is in the room along with blue, it will produce positive effects on the body. For instance, green with red will make the person hungry and eat, continually putting things into its mouth so that the body will grow out from itself. In other words, green with red negative makes you FAT.
Green with blue positive will make you athletic, able to allow the body to sway to music or bend many ways in sports.
The colors that are natural in the world are blue, green, red, yellow, brown, grey, orange, silver, gold, cream, black and white. All the other colors are mixtures of these colors. (Add white to red and you get pink a baby of red).
Each of these twelve colors have a corresponding sign on the hand and each of the colors have their own particular job that they do to nature, the body included.
You ask (what happens if a mixed color is domnant at any given time
and if the signs flow into each other according to the colour mix that is present?)
When two colors are being used by the body, the hands will show both signs, for instance, gold and red, or yellow and red. The sign for yellow whose color allows the brain to receive information quickly in front of blue or slowly with difficulty in front of red, will show the open fingers of red and the little finger dropped down from the other fingers with red and yellow, or closed fingers arced with the little finger raised high with blue and yellow. Little babies will often use the yellow color whenever they can to learn what they hear and see quickly, and show the yellow and blue sign on their hand.
Green does NOT make you think negatively, the only color that can make you think negatively is the color of RED.
Green does not make you think at all, it is a body movement and like the green in nature, all the movements of the body with green color on it comes from the body center pivot and spreads out. If you notice all green colors in nature grow from their sorse and do not leave itself, it grows larger.
If there were no black colors at all, you could not receive information, but Nature does not allow that, there is a lot of black colors in nature.
You ask "that if one looked at their hands, the hands should clearly indicate the colour all by themselves."
Very definately. As I said, if a blind person knew the signs of the colors on their hands, they could tell you the colors that they touch without any difficulty and with 100 per cent accuracy.
Art, you ask "What constitutes "red"? Is an apple still red even in the dark? And "What if the only light is green?"
Red is Red. If you took a red apple, its magnetic formation in the red colored skin and also if the mutated red apple also has red flesh inside of it, will be negative. You can bite into the apple and enjoy the red color on your mouth, but you will find that you get a tooth ache, or a cold afterwards, maybe a cold sore on your mouth etc. You might drop something and bend to pick it up and hit your head. You can almost tell within the time it takes to touch that red apple and the negative things that happen to your body. Better to eat the yellow apple than the red one.
Colors contain electromangetic functions and they do not change those functions in the dark just as a magnet does not change in the dark.
Lava in the ground is pure negative whether it is hidden from view or let out on top of the earth, the only difference is that is does a lot of distruction to everything that its red color touches when on top of the earth. The red color is best contained in the dark, that is its natural place in Nature and that is what keeps the world turning and the body warm and able to move. Let the red out and disintergration and death will surely follow unless the red is stopped and covered over. When you get a red cut, the body will put a blue bruise over the red so that healing can start. What I said about the three presidents ties and Japan using the blue lights on computers because it is purer than the red lights is the absolute truth. You can check it out on the internet if you are really interested in the truth.
One of the things that red colors make the body do is look on the ground. Watch at shopping malls and see the people pass a red wall with their eyes on the ground, or every single person that passes a red vehicle look on the ground (where the natural red comes from) until they have passed the red vehicle or wall and then lift up their eyes again.
Renee

[TheBoyPaj]

So, instead of attempting to back up any of the claims you have made so far, you instead choose to make more wild, baseless claims.

I'll catch you on the flip-side, Renee.

[Flange Desire]

Your whole body moves as if it were moving though liquid, from color to color.
SNIP

No.

Renee:
What you write is quite poetic, but it is wrong.
It would be difficult to get it much wronger even if one tried.

But hey!
Don't let mere opinion get in the way of claiming the million buckerinos!
All you need to do is demonstrate your paranormal claim.

My crystal ball tells me the demonstration will not happen, and you will travel.

[Harlequin]

In other words, green with red negative makes you FAT. No wonder I gain weight during Christmas holidays!

If you took a red apple, its magnetic formation in the red colored skin and also if the mutated red apple also has red flesh inside of it, will be negative. You can bite into the apple and enjoy the red color on your mouth, but you will find that you get a tooth ache, or a cold afterwards, maybe a cold sore on your mouth etc. Maybe that's true for those mutated apples, but it sure turns the whole "apple a day" idea on its head...

Better to eat the yellow apple than the red one. Or maybe the "blue pill"

When you get a red cut, the body will put a blue bruise over the red so that healing can start. Hmmm, my body seems to put a red scab over the cut, how odd.

every single person that passes a red vehicle look on the ground (where the natural red comes from) until they have passed the red vehicle Yes, in fact it is well known that people buy red cars because they don't want anyone to look at them. That's why so many sports cars are red and the police never stop them for speeding because they can't actually see them and...

Oh, man. Woohoo.

[geoman]

[QUOTE=Renee Rynn;1494281 The colors that are natural in the world are blue, green, red, yellow, brown, grey, orange, silver, gold, cream, black and white. All the other colors are mixtures of these colors.[/QUOTE]

Renee is definitely onto something here, this bit sounds very similar to my own Male Theory Of Colours. Males can only see about 10 colours (not quite the same ones as Renee, but close), whereas women can see them all:

Geoman: "That's a nice green top you're wearing there"
Geoman's Wife: "It's not green, it's jade"
Geoman: "It goes nicely with the brown skirt"
Geoman's Wife: "That's not brown, it's taupe"
Geoman: :confused:

Maybe 'cos I'm a geologist and only ever get to see brown & grey things my colour sense is all mucked up. Renee, what will only seeing brown & grey do to me? Will it turn me into a skeptic?

[drfrank]

Renee is definitely onto something here, this bit sounds very similar to my own Male Theory Of Colours. Males can only see about 10 colours (not quite the same ones as Renee, but close), whereas women can see them all:
You're obviously joking, but I think it's reasonably accepted that women generally have better colour perception than men. Use your genetic inferiority as an excuse in future:

"Is it taupe? I wish I could see with your eyes but... I'm... just... a... man *burst into tears* Why do you mock my inferiority?!"

:D

Is it worth pointing out to Renee that gold and silver aren't, per se, colours? I'd like to see someone specify the wavelength of light of either of these that wouldn't be more accurately classified as yellow or grey.

It's purely other reflective properties of the surface (mainly high specular reflection) that give rise to silver and gold.

Then again, I severely doubt talking in terms of the physics of light and surfaces is going to do any good in this case :boggled:

[petre]

I'm not a moderator Renee, but past experience tells me that in a short time if you pay no attention to the challenge, then your thread here will be moved off of the challenge board.

Not that I think any post of mine is going to suddenly give someone focus and help them apply for the challenge. I just enjoy taking every opportunity to demonstrate that a rational person can look at evidence, form a hypothesis, and experience greater-than-chance success in predicting outcomes, which is pretty much where science beats the paranormal every time. ;)

[Scottie99]

Renee,

What would happen to a person locked in a white padded room, wearing an all white restraining suit?

From My reading of your post that person would have no fear, would not cry, etc....

Sounds like a good life renee....

[eri]

So, Renee, in the abscence of answering the posed questions, are you planning to apply for the challenge? Seems like there are several easy protocols here. Either someone is videotaped in black and white touching several different colored objects and you tell us the color based on the hand signs they make, or you can have your eyes taped shut and tell us what color you're touching. How does that sound? Any ideas?

[ellindsey]

The organs and flesh are red, the blood inside the body is blue.
Blood inside the body is bright red when oxygen-rich (as in arteries) and dark red-brown when oxygen-poor (as in verns). Iron-based blood just isn't blue, ever. As far as I know, in a normal, healthy person, the only part of the body that is actually blue is the iris of a blue-eyed person.

[ChristineR]

All colored light can be represented as a mixture of red, green and blue, and all colored objects (which reflect light) can be represented as a mixture of cyan, magenta and yellow. But you can also pick other colors if you allow addition and subtraction. For example, red, green and purple will give you red, green and blue if subtract the red from the purple.

Color monitors (which emit light) use RGB, and color printers (which create paper which reflects light) use CMY. Printers also use black and white ink to create tones.

The point of all this is that there are many ways to talk about color and Renee Rynn's ten "natural colors" are not really all that basic. The most basic definition of color is the wavelengths of light as emitted or reflected from an object.

[NiallM]

You're obviously joking, but I think it's reasonably accepted that women generally have better colour perception than men. Use your genetic inferiority as an excuse in future:

"Is it taupe? I wish I could see with your eyes but... I'm... just... a... man *burst into tears* Why do you mock my inferiority?!"

:D

Is it worth pointing out to Renee that gold and silver aren't, per se, colours? I'd like to see someone specify the wavelength of light of either of these that wouldn't be more accurately classified as yellow or grey.

It's purely other reflective properties of the surface (mainly high specular reflection) that give rise to silver and gold.

Then again, I severely doubt talking in terms of the physics of light and surfaces is going to do any good in this case :boggled:
Gold is actually green.

[drfrank]

Gold is actually green.
Is it green? I wish I could see with your eyes but... I'm... just... a... man *burst into tears* Why do you mock my inferiority?!

I'd like to see some evidence for that, but even if you're right it doesn't affect my statement that gold isn't really a colour :)

Wow, if you're right then I've been making the wrong damn hand movements all this time :o

[NiallM]

Is it green? I wish I could see with your eyes but... I'm... just... a... man *burst into tears* Why do you mock my inferiority?!

I'd like to see some evidence for that, but even if you're right it doesn't affect my statement that gold isn't really a colour :)

Wow, if you're right then I've been making the wrong damn hand movements all this time :o
Arghh!. You're probably using the correct hand movements!

Some research shows that it has different colours in different circumstances. I had been told by my chemistry teacher (many years ago), that it is green - a property that can be seen when it is hammered very thin.

I think he may have been wrong!

[drkitten]

All colored light can be represented as a mixture of red, green and blue, and all colored objects (which reflect light) can be represented as a mixture of cyan, magenta and yellow.

Actually, this isn't quite true. The RGB colour space is a subset of all the humanly perceptible colours. For example using pure monochromatic RGB values, it's impossible to get a perfect visual match for the "colour" of a 500nm laser beam. In 1931, the Commission Internationale de l'Eclarage established a set of "standard" polychromatic "primary colours", named X, Y, and Z, and working with them is a right bear.

Monitors, in general, don't work with the CIE primaries. But this means that there are colours that I can show you in a well-equipped physics lab that you simply can't show on a CRT or a printed page.

[Art Vandelay]

Blood inside the body is bright red when oxygen-rich (as in arteries) and dark red-brown when oxygen-poor (as in verns). Iron-based blood just isn't blue, ever. As far as I know, in a normal, healthy person, the only part of the body that is actually blue is the iris of a blue-eyed person.The confusion arises because veins are, for a normal, healthy person, inside the body. A vein, when viewed through skin, is blue. If you were to extract the blood, however, it would be red.

[nathan]

All colored light can be represented as a mixture of red, green and blue, and all colored objects (which reflect light) can be represented as a mixture of cyan, magenta and yellow. ... to the human eye. It seems that part of Renee's claims are that the color is sensed by something other than the retina, in which case whatever effect might not be synthesizeable by RGB mixing. (This does not mean I have a clue as to what Renee's claim actually is.)

[geoman]

You're obviously joking, but I think it's reasonably accepted that women generally have better colour perception than men. Use your genetic inferiority as an excuse in future:

"Is it taupe? I wish I could see with your eyes but... I'm... just... a... man *burst into tears* Why do you mock my inferiority?!"


Blimey, learn something every day. Thanks.

[Kimpatsu]

Every hand on earth continually makes the sign of the color that the body is corresponding to when that color has the most influence on it in either a negative or a positive way.
Mine don't.

[Kimpatsu]

Nasa is studying laser colors of blue and red and even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color and that is why a lot of their computers have a blue light on them.
No, they don't. The ON button is blue; all the other lights are green--on my desktop PC.
On my laptop, the ON button is green and the HDD and function lamps are orange.
This is because the desktop model is Fujitsu, but the laptop is Sony.
The Japanese have no greater interest in colours than your average American.

[Gr8wight]

Wow, if you're right then I've been making the wrong damn hand movements all this time

Laughed right out frickin' loud! Now I must wipe little flecks of saliva off the screen of my monitor.

[hellaeon]

renee, even after you read what krelnius wrote and put so simple you still babble in your mind with this twat?

surely this is just a troll people...

[vIQleS]

...
Green with blue positive will make you athletic, able to allow the body to sway to music or bend many ways in sports.
...
Red is Red. If you took a red apple, its magnetic formation in the red colored skin and also if the mutated red apple also has red flesh inside of it, will be negative. You can bite into the apple and enjoy the red color on your mouth, but you will find that you get a tooth ache, or a cold afterwards, maybe a cold sore on your mouth etc. You might drop something and bend to pick it up and hit your head. You can almost tell within the time it takes to touch that red apple and the negative things that happen to your body. Better to eat the yellow apple than the red one...

Better yet if I could genetically engineer a BLUE apple...

[Ririon]

renee, even after you read what krelnius wrote and put so simple you still babble in your mind with this twat?

surely this is just a troll people...
That's the problem with this forum. How can you tell? It seems to me that some people who actually even (try to) make an application will claim things as ridiculous as the most far-fetched parody and formulate themselves even worse.

[Renee Rynn]

Pictures are worth a thousand words. I am not computer savy and do not know how to upload a picture here so that you can see what I am talking about.
But if you go to the Amazing Meeting Photos you can see a photo of James Randi with a black suit on giving a talk. His hands both have the black sign of a fist showing that he is sending out information.
The right hand is dropped into the lower negative part of the body showing that a red color is near his body and the palm of that hand is turned upwards, showing unbalance occuring with the body from the red colors that are shining on it.
You could also look at the other photos of the aurdience and will find that they also show the black fist sign as they receive the information that is given to them.
Renee

[Renee Rynn]

You should be interested to learn about the body language in front of colors. Go to the Help create amazing meeting link and look at the photos from CFLarsen link MYTAM4pix and you can see
1/ EdLu Astronaught with a blue shirt on and his hand cupped in the blue color sign. His fingers are also spayed in front of the red color while in the blue sign.
2/ Paulie the Greek, Moe Faux and Lost Angeles, they all have their legs open on the red carpet.
3/ Benjamin Radford with red shirt and open splayed fingers the red sign on his hand.
4/ The Evil Twins of Skepticism, Phil Plait and Richard Wiseman with blue shirts and blue signs on their hands. The one drinking shows the blue hand sign with the sign of yellow from the yellow next to him where the little finger parts from the other fingers, the little finger is dropped from the other fingers in front of the red color.
Renee

[strathmeyer]

You should be interested to learn about the body language in front of colors. Go to the Help create amazing meeting link and look at the photos from CFLarsen link MYTAM4pix and you can see
1/ EdLu Astronaught with a blue shirt on and his hand cupped in the blue color sign. His fingers are also spayed in front of the red color while in the blue sign.
2/ Paulie the Greek, Moe Faux and Lost Angeles, they all have their legs open on the red carpet.
3/ Benjamin Radford with red shirt and open splayed fingers the red sign on his hand.
4/ The Evil Twins of Skepticism, Phil Plait and Richard Wiseman with blue shirts and blue signs on their hands. The one drinking shows the blue hand sign with the sign of yellow from the yellow next to him where the little finger parts from the other fingers, the little finger is dropped from the other fingers in front of the red color.
Renee


Renee, this post means nothing. Pointing out what colors people in pictures are wearing means nothing. What is your claim? What can you do?

You are not special. You have no magical powers. Nobody wants to read your nonsense.

Why can't you answer simple questions? Why can't you make simple statements and explain yourself? Why can't you write one sentance that isn't nonsense.

You call us children, yet seem to be unable to write correctly. We ask you questions and you ignore us. We offer you a million dollars, and you ramble on incoherently.

[ChristineR]

You should be interested to learn about the body language in front of colors. Go to the Help create amazing meeting link and look at the photos from CFLarsen link MYTAM4pix and you can see
1/ EdLu Astronaught with a blue shirt on and his hand cupped in the blue color sign. His fingers are also spayed in front of the red color while in the blue sign.
2/ Paulie the Greek, Moe Faux and Lost Angeles, they all have their legs open on the red carpet.
3/ Benjamin Radford with red shirt and open splayed fingers the red sign on his hand.
4/ The Evil Twins of Skepticism, Phil Plait and Richard Wiseman with blue shirts and blue signs on their hands. The one drinking shows the blue hand sign with the sign of yellow from the yellow next to him where the little finger parts from the other fingers, the little finger is dropped from the other fingers in front of the red color.
Renee

I was convinced already, but this one clinches it. Troll, and very funny troll at that! :roll:

[Thing]

Renee,

Are there any combinitations of colours and hand signs that should never occur together according to your theory?

[eri]

So why have I not made a fist all day, although I'm wearing all black? And yes, ALL black. No fists.

[drfrank]

Arghh!. You're probably using the correct hand movements!

Some research shows that it has different colours in different circumstances. I had been told by my chemistry teacher (many years ago), that it is green - a property that can be seen when it is hammered very thin.

I think he may have been wrong!
Actually, that would make sense: the light that can pass through the thin gold may differ from the wavelengths given off through absorption/re-emission.

Back onto Renee's argument:

White light is a mixture of all wavelengths of light simultaneously: why aren't I doing a hand jive?

[Renee Rynn]

Hello Thing, to answer your question "Are there any combinitations of colours and hand signs that should never occur together according to your theory?"
First, what I have told you is not theory, it is a fact.
Second, why should there never be any combination of colors or hand signs that should never occur together? The combination of colors make for funny movements to view on others.
Renee

[Jon.]

The point of all this is that there are many ways to talk about color and Renee Rynn's ten "natural colors" are not really all that basic. The most basic definition of color is the wavelengths of light as emitted or reflected from an object.

And in fact, the idea of discrete colours is a human construct. For any two given colours, no matter how little they differ by, there is always an intermediate colour.

[Renee Rynn]

Strathmeyer, you ask me this question:
(Pinting out what colors people in pictures are wearing means nothing. What is your claim? What can you do?)
First of all, I showed you the co relation between the color that is on the body and the sign that the hand makes with this corresponding color.
I claim to prove that colors rule creation. That Colors Create Creation.

[LordoftheLeftHand]

I claim to prove that colors rule creation. That Colors Create Creation.

You do realize that to do this you are going to need to do more than typing on a page. Have you completed your challenge application yet? Do you need help?

LLH

[Renee Rynn]

Each color makes a seperate type of movement on the body and the body uses each color in combination with other colors in order to create its next movement. First the hand sign and then the movement as life is created.
In order to see the seperate movements that the body does through each seperate color you have to seperate the colors from on and around the body and learn what the colors make the body do.
That is what I am showing you

[petre]

Hello Thing, to answer your question "Are there any combinitations of colours and hand signs that should never occur together according to your theory?"
First, what I have told you is not theory, it is a fact.
Second, why should there never be any combination of colors or hand signs that should never occur together? The combination of colors make for funny movements to view on others.
Renee

And I repeat, this theory has no testable features. Any hand position exactly matches any color. There are no mismatches.

[Renee Rynn]

Hello LordoftheLeft Hand, yes I know that I need to do more than type on a page and no I have not completed the challenge application yet.
My mother died and I have to fly to Canada for her memorial service. When I get back, I will fill out the application and go from there.
Mdeanwhile I will keep checking in here and adding my bit. I have a formal copyrite on my information and booklets and have popped up on several sites to feal my way as to how people accept new science.
I talk very fast and think faster and have to slow myself down and remind myself that others are not as quick as me at grasping new concepts. Renee

[Thing]

Hello Thing, to answer your question "Are there any combinitations of colours and hand signs that should never occur together according to your theory?"
First, what I have told you is not theory, it is a fact.
Second, why should there never be any combination of colors or hand signs that should never occur together? The combination of colors make for funny movements to view on others.
Renee
Renee,

I never said that certain combinations shouldn't occur together, I asked if it was the case. You're going to need to come up with some type of definitive statement for your claim and test proposal and I thought that might be it. Since it isn't, you'll have to find another.

I wish you the best of luck with the challenge application but I fear you may find it hard going. I started to write out a list of points you ought to be aware of but realised the challenge FAQ does it better. I suggest you read it often.

[Renee Rynn]

Thing, the challenge is not important to me.

[Renee Rynn]

besides, I tried to open the challenge and could only get the message that Kramer is not handling the challenge any more.

I wont go away, you will hear lots more about me as time goes on.

[Renee Rynn]

People are paying a million dollars for the shack that they live in.
A million dollars is not a lot of money in todays world any more.

[ChristineR]

I'm rich, but if some crotchety old magician wants to give me a million dollars for a parlor trick, I'm game.

[Renee Rynn]

hellaeon you askid,
"renee, that description was pretty amazing.
I have to ask, how did you come to these conclusions? its fascinating?"

It is fascinating. I talk with my hands lots and saw that everyone else does too. So from an early age, I have been studing hand talk and what it means. Only when I reached old age did I realize that each color makes their own sign on the hands. Through studying what each color means in the natural nature of plants did I realize that the human body moves like the plants through the colors and responds with the hand signs of the colors.
So when a woman sitting at a resturant talking one thing, will say with her hands waving about making the signs of black, white, gold, silver, red, white, blue. Then the hands of her body have just told her to hear of balanced information, she is receiving negative balance, and to be positive.

[Kimpatsu]

And I repeat, this theory has no testable features.
Just to point out the bleeding obvious, but if it's untestable, it ain't bleeding obvious, but if it's untestable, it ain't a theory.

[Ririon]

besides, I tried to open the challenge and could only get the message that Kramer is not handling the challenge any more.

I wont go away, you will hear lots more about me as time goes on.
Someone else will surely take over soon. If you haven't already, I strongly advise you to read a couple of the threads in that section to see how the challenge process usually breaks down.

Please note that I still assume you are not a troll, even though you behave very much like one.

Even if you are so wealthy that one million dollars doesn't mean that much to you, please keep in mind that successfully completing this challenge will mean a lot more to the world (let alone you) than simply boosting your checking account with a seven-figure amount.

[Renee Rynn]

I am not wealthy, but I do not need expensive things to be happy.

It is a great focus of mine to teach what I know while I am still on this earth. If it takes a challenge to make people sit up, then that is what I will do.

I can however just send my findings to the universities that study these things and let nature take its course from there.

[Admiral]

Hi, Renee. My dearest sympathies on the loss of your mother.


I can however just send my findings to the universities that study these things and let nature take its course from there.

I strongly recommend against this- respectable universities won't study something just because they receive a letter describing it. They'll need evidence- and pages of explanation about blood and the iris and anger is not evidence.

In order for a hypothesis to be accepted, it must be possible to test it- that is, try an experiment where one result would be obtained if the hypothesis is correct, and another if the hypothesis is wrong.

Please note that when you stated "it is not theory, it is a fact," you were misunderstanding scientific terminology. A theory is not just a hunch or an idea- in the scientific world, a theory refers to something that has been repeatedly proven and accepted. A "theory" is not something inferior to a "fact," nor do theories become "facts."

What you describe is NOT a theory, as it has not been tested or accepted. If you managed to condense it down a bit, it would be a hypothesis- a suggestion that hasn't yet been proven. It must be tested before it can become a theory.

But back to what I was focusing on- if you wish to send in a Challenge Application (and I strongly recommend it- besides the money, it would give your ideas a huge boost in the scientific world), don't send in a description similar to the ones you have posted. Simply come up with a test for your paranormal hypothesis (several have already been suggested, such as a blindfolded person putting his hand on a colored surface) that would have both a postive and a negative result.

Please note that the test must be double blinded, and must involve no interpretation whatsoever. This means that the subjects in the test can't know what color is being applied to them, and also that the criteria for a positive result can't be "The subject becomes angrier" because it requires interpretation as to whether the subject is actually angrier.

[TheBoyPaj]

Thing, the challenge is not important to me.

Then what is important to you? That people accept and understand your theory? If so, you are going about it in entirely the wrong way. The people on this forum have explained what is necessary for your theory to be taken seriously. If you are not willing to attempt to accommodate these requirements, you are better off not bothering. You will NEVER convince a skeptic by simply insisting that what you say is true. You will never prove it with words, only with action.

[Renee Rynn]

Admiral and TheBoyPaj, you are right in what you say that talking only is not the way to go about showing a new discovery.
As regards blindfolding a person to tell what color they are touching is childs play. I am tip toeing around a subject that has extensive complications on life and will change the way people think forever.
When you read about the end of times, this will change all known history as we know it. It will bring about chaos over the entire earth and perhaps break a lot of rich people. It will bring down a lot of religions and confuse millions of people.
Whether you talk about fact fiction or theory it does not matter. EVERYONE on earth bends to the will of colors whether they believe it or not, whether they learn to see it or not, it does not matter, but it is better to know than not to know.
To understand colors is to understand everything that has happened in history and in your life. Colors are the key to every mystery known to man.
Colors control the eye movements of the eyes and you must realize that you step into the next moment of your future depending on where your eyes point at. Red colors bring your vision to look at the floor, people that look on the floor a lot have a miserable life and many problems with their health.
If you go into a library or book store, you will find that audio books are becoming very popular. In the near future, paper books will be a thing of the past because they cause you to look down between the vicinity of your legs for long durations of time and this brings about weak eyes and unhappiness and loneliness in life.
You think that talking to you here is not doing any good, but in that respect, you are wrong because you are now not ignorant of the fact that colors are more than pretty things to play with even if you are skeptical about it.

The media has a lot to do with getting people to believe. It has not been proven to you that water is on Mars or Saturns moons, but you believe it because the media has told you so.
What would a million dollars buy when all the red things that people have on display are trashed in the garbage? What about all the red roofed houses and red vehicles? How many people will be sued for using red colors in people's faces? What about the childrens red colored cartoons? How many of their makers will be sued for making children sick? This subject is not one for parlor games or playing around with. It has far reaching complications and must be handled with care.
Renee

[Morwen]

Sooo... How bad is eating strawberries, then? 'Cos I love 'em, and they're in season now. But they are red, red, red.

Could you tell us the expected medical effects of eating, say, 6 strawberries?

[Hastur]

Blah, blah, blah, Rynn. I smacked you down over your ludicrous claim before and now you're hesitating to perform what should be a simple challenge for you. All I hear from you is :words: and I see no action. Color (har har) me unimpressed.

[Peachy]

Okay, I'm joining late, but I am certainly curious. I'm working on a psychology thesis at the moment, and will be looking for more later on. From a psychological perspective (neurologically speaking anyway) it is generally believed that color does not actually exist, but is instead the brain's interpretation of the reflection of light. Therefore, to say that color exists without the eye goes against what we know about the perception of color. If this could be proved wrong, it would be a pretty major discovery.

However, I am curious to know where the evidence for these theories comes from.

[Peachy]

colors control eye movements too and the negative and positive things that happen to the body and life of the person.
rasmus, you ask some very valid questions.

This is sort of true, we are more adept at seeing green and yellow than red and blue, so we are more attracted to those colors, and we would likely move our eyes accordingly...how this leads to positive or negative seems vague at this point.


"How does the body "use" the colours?"
Well every color has a single job that it does in Nature and the body has to use that color in order to produce that effect on the body. Depending if the color is in the room along with red, it will produce negative effects on the body. And if the color is in the room along with blue, it will produce positive effects on the body. For instance, green with red will make the person hungry and eat, continually putting things into its mouth so that the body will grow out from itself. In other words, green with red negative makes you FAT.

Well, if we could get about 20 people we have a nice little experiment. Put two groups of randomized participants in a room with either red and green, or blue and green. Then we put food in each room. If this theory stands, the people in the red and green room will eat more than the people in the blue and green room. Of course, this will take some work to get those people.


The colors that are natural in the world are blue, green, red, yellow, brown, grey, orange, silver, gold, cream, black and white. All the other colors are mixtures of these colors. (Add white to red and you get pink a baby of red).

I'm sure its been said, but isn't orange for instance just red and yellow?

When two colors are being used by the body, the hands will show both signs, for instance, gold and red, or yellow and red. The sign for yellow whose color allows the brain to receive information quickly in front of blue or slowly with difficulty in front of red, will show the open fingers of red and the little finger dropped down from the other fingers with red and yellow, or closed fingers arced with the little finger raised high with blue and yellow. Little babies will often use the yellow color whenever they can to learn what they hear and see quickly, and show the yellow and blue sign on their hand.

Any chance you have some pictures or diagrams of these handsigns we can observe?

Green does NOT make you think negatively, the only color that can make you think negatively is the color of RED.

Couldn't this be the result of classical, and operant conditioning. We often associate red and negative in this culture.

Red is Red. If you took a red apple, its magnetic formation in the red colored skin and also if the mutated red apple also has red flesh inside of it, will be negative. You can bite into the apple and enjoy the red color on your mouth, but you will find that you get a tooth ache, or a cold afterwards, maybe a cold sore on your mouth etc. You might drop something and bend to pick it up and hit your head. You can almost tell within the time it takes to touch that red apple and the negative things that happen to your body.

This is troublesome. I eat an apple just about every day (usually red), yet I'm still a very healthy person, and have not found myself hitting my head after eating an apple.

One of the things that red colors make the body do is look on the ground. Watch at shopping malls and see the people pass a red wall with their eyes on the ground, or every single person that passes a red vehicle look on the ground (where the natural red comes from) until they have passed the red vehicle or wall and then lift up their eyes again.

Here's another potential experiment. Again, we randomize participants, and show them a sequence of colored papers, and have someone observe their eye movements. If this theory holds, they should look down more often when they see red than any other color.

Although this might explain the Boston Red Sox' World Series drought.

[Renee Rynn]

Morwen, eating red strawberries can bring rashes to the body. Many people cannot eat strawberries.
Hastur stop being childish.

[The_Fire]

Morwen, eating red strawberries can bring rashes to the body. Many people cannot eat strawberries.
Hastur stop being childish.

I believ THAT is called an allergy....

[jimtron]

Morwen, eating red strawberries can bring rashes to the body. Many people cannot eat strawberries.
Hastur stop being childish.

And the rashes are caused by the hue of the fruit? What if you dyed the strawberries so there was no red visible; then no rash?

What about tomatoes, red radishes, red peppers, red licorice, cherries, raspberries, red meat?

(edited to add second sentence)

[Renee Rynn]

Peachy, I myself have given it some thought to apply for a Behavioral Science Grant from the Government.
Here are some of your comments.
it is generally believed that color does not actually exist,

Don't get carried away with complicated matters, colors and their influences on all life is really simple and uncomplicated. Dont figure between the lines, just study the things that I have posted. It will surprise you to see that all the people do the signs in front of you and you never saw it before.
Everything that is visible consists of color

but is the brain's interpretation of the reflection of light.
That is what humans tell you it is.

color exists without the eye

Hmmm, the body has eyes to it and the colors control the eye movements
without the knowledge of the brain that is thinking about material things.
The body moves through colors in the same way that things in the ocean move through water.
The color that creates emotion and negative behavior is Red. The more red on and around the body, the more uncontrolled the emotion and negative behavior the body has.
Orange IS a combination of red and yellow and I included it in the twelve colors because it has its own hand sign. The orange color causes confusion to the thoughts of the brain. Stutter and stammer, cant find things and forget what you were thinking when the aura of orange colors are touching the body. Red deals with negative energy and yellow stimulates the intellect.
make orange from the two and the mind gets confused and shows the sign of confusion on the hand.

[Renee Rynn]

(What about tomatoes, red radishes, red peppers, red licorice, cherries, raspberries, flesh?)
first of all let me ask YOU a question. Do you know anyone that does not have their own doctor that they go to? Or that has never gone to a doctor for an illness or broken a bone etc?
I hear people talking together comparing their doctors and the pills and medication that they are taking, young people too. This is not natural.
A lot of red food in todays society has been grown by mutation to get the red colors. Tomatoes are part of the family of the deadly nightshade plant and if animals eat the leaves of tomatoes they will die. People get aches and pains and depression and still eat the colored things that are not meant for the body to consume.
As regards flesh. it contains blood. You cannot put the wrong type blood into the body but people consume the wrong type blood all the time when they eat flesh. This creates many upsets, and aches within the body as the body tries to do something with the wrong blood type that is inside of it.

[Renee Rynn]

(Any chance you have some pictures or diagrams of these handsigns we can observe?)
As I mentioned before, I am not computer savvy and will get someone to help me to upload some pictures here for you to view. That will have to wait for several days though because I have to fly to Canada on Tuesday and will get someone to help me do it from there.
I will put up some pictures from the Mayas and Nasca mountain drawings and drawings of my own to help you understand what I am talking about.
I did mention that you could go to the pictures on the amazing conference site and see the colors that are making the hands do those colored signs that were caught on the camera.
Just check up the thread here and see which pictures are the most obvious observations to learned and intellectual minds.

[jimtron]

first of all let me ask YOU a question. Do you know anyone that does not have their own doctor that they go to? Or that has never gone to a doctor for an illness or broken a bone etc?

Yes, I know people that don't have their own doctor. And I know people that had an illness and didn't go to a doctor.

I hear people talking together comparing their doctors and the pills and medication that they are taking, young people too. This is not natural.
Why not? Is it supernatural? Unnatural?

A lot of red food in todays society has been grown by mutation to get the red colors.
I'm skeptical that "a lot of red food" has been "grown by mutation to get the red colors." But I'd gladly look at evidence.

Tomatoes are part of the family of the deadly nightshade plant and if animals eat the leaves of tomatoes they will die.

Because of the red hue? Which red foods should be avoided, and which are OK to consume? Are any (naturally) red foods OK to eat?

[Peachy]

Don't get carried away with complicated matters, colors and their influences on all life is really simple and uncomplicated. Dont figure between the lines, just study the things that I have posted. It will surprise you to see that all the people do the signs in front of you and you never saw it before.
Everything that is visible consists of color

So, say we were to take two people, put one in an all red room, but with no light, and the other in an all blue room with no light (so they can't see what color surrounds them). You would predict that the person in the red room would be more negative than the person in the blue room, correct?

That is what humans tell you it is.

Yes, humans did indeed tell me that colors do not really exist in absence of the eye. However, they have a great deal of research that backs up their claims.

[Grounded]

Renee, how many colors are there?

I ask this because I know that the frequency range that humans are capable of perceiving *is not discrete* - our perception of color is (finite number of cones in the retina), but the frequencies are not. I can increase the frequency of, say, "green" by 0.001Hz - still looks green to me, but it's not exactly - I just can't "tell" it's different. Or, I can add 0.0000000001Hz (as many zeroes as you like) to change the "color".

How many emotions are there? You imply that there is a direct relationship and you somehow are able to perceive the visible spectrum of RF energy using means other than your eyes.

What about sound? Does a C chord invoke aggression? (or would that be BbMaj7?). Sound is also a vibration - the range that our ears happen to be able to perceive. Where does that fit into your theory?

What about energy from your microwave oven? (another vibration). Or your watch.
See?, it goes on and on.

By the way, red doesn't create friction; but, friction can "produce red" when the temperature (measure of vibration) increases to the visible spectrum. Keep going and friction can be seen as (near) white light. Proof? Go turn on a standard incandescant light bulb..... friction in action.

[drfrank]

What about sound? Does a C chord invoke aggression? (or would that be BbMaj7?). Sound is also a vibration - the range that our ears happen to be able to perceive. Where does that fit into your theory?

Well, there's definitely a specific frequency that has a significantly negative effect on your trousers ;)

It also reliably induces negative emotions shortly afterwards.

[Renee Rynn]

LOL yes drfrank, red action seeking red interaction.

[Renee Rynn]

Grounded, what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

Red color causes the visible to move and this creates friction causing more red.

Inside our body is red flesh and organs, naturally take the red flesh and red organs away and we would not be able to move.

Peachy, if you put two children in a dark room with red walls and red clothes on they would argue and fight and scream and conduct themselves negatively towards each other.
If you took those same two children changed their clothes to blue and put them in a dark room that has blue walls on it and you would find that the children will hold hands and whisper together and wait patiently for someone to open the door.

[Renee Rynn]

Peachy you said "humans did indeed tell me that colors do not really exist in absence of the eye. However, they have a great deal of research that backs up their claims."

The one thing you can be sure of, is that science changes over time with knowledge.

[Renee Rynn]

Grounded, sound moves information.
All that mental thinking about frequencies I will leave to you to study.

[Renee Rynn]

the Fire, women generally just love the red color and put it on everything their face and their men included. Your red post is an example of your love of red and your negative remarks show my point.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Peachy, if you put two children in a dark room with red walls and red clothes on they would argue and fight and scream and conduct themselves negatively towards each other.
If you took those same two children changed their clothes to blue and put them in a dark room that has blue walls on it and you would find that the children will hold hands and whisper together and wait patiently for someone to open the door.

Naturally there have been properly conducted scientific tests done which confirm this. Could you point me to the journals or whatever that detail these tests?

[jimtron]

Peachy, if you put two children in a dark room with red walls and red clothes on they would argue and fight and scream and conduct themselves negatively towards each other.
If you took those same two children changed their clothes to blue and put them in a dark room that has blue walls on it and you would find that the children will hold hands and whisper together and wait patiently for someone to open the door.

If only Columbine had blue walls!

[Kimpatsu]

If only Columbine had blue walls!
Maybe that's why British classrooms tend to be puce. And there I thought it was the boring teachers who made me feel ill!

[Admiral]

Yes, humans did indeed tell me that colors do not really exist in absence of the eye.

I'm sorry, Peachy, but I have to disagree with you there. I don't know much about psychology, but I know about physics, and color does exist without the eye- light's color is determined by its wavelength, and an object's color is determined by what wavelengths it reflects and which it absorbs. It's also not true that orange is just a mix of red and yellow- it is in paint, but in terms of light it can be considered a seperate range of wavelengths.

Anyway, Renee, please stop explaining how significant your idea is. This forum has had hundreds of people show up and say that their idea would tear the structure of the world apart and cause a revolution in science. We won't believe it until you prove it. And don't give more examples from history to prove it- give an experiment. If you succeed, you'll win a million dollars, you'll be famous, and science will undergo a revolution. However, you're not going to prove a thing by talking to us about how obvious your ideas are.

Now, imagine this test. Could you tell what color a piece of construction paper is only by touch? One would think that this would be possible given the effect the color would have on your hand, according to your view. However, if you think there's too many interfering colors from everything else around you, we could devise another test.

For example, here's one: could you show that friction doesn't exist when no red is around?

[TheBoyPaj]

Admiral and TheBoyPaj, you are right in what you say that talking only is not the way to go about showing a new discovery.
As regards blindfolding a person to tell what color they are touching is childs play.

Then do it. Stop talking, and do the only thing that will ever persuade anybody that you are right. Because the longer you go on making claims and never lifting a finger to demonstrate them, the more people will think you are deliberately avoiding the issue. And the most likely reason for that would be that you know you are wrong.

[NiallM]

I call "troll"

There is simply no excuse for her failure to complete a Challenge Application by now.

Irrespective of putative family arrangements etc, the amount of time that she has spent posting here could have been used to complete the application several times over.

[Ririon]

Well, Renee, you see what kind of response you postings provoke, even on a mostly blue forum. If this is what you want, I suggest you start a new thread in the "Religion and Philosophy" or "General Skepticism and the Paranormal" section. Especially if you want to start posting Aztec art or other things completely irrelevant to this section.

This is the "Million Dollar Challenge" section. If you want to take the challenge, please discuss the details of that here. If a fraction of what you claim is true, you will win it easily. If you don't want to take the challenge, go somewhere else.

Don't bore us in this section with "endless" posts in the style of your longer posts in this thread. That will be considered trolling, evading or a sign of mental problems, as you have seen in some of the replies.

Ririon

[Renee Rynn]

Anothersillyalias, you prove my point exactly, you want media acknowledgement before you take any notice of my discovery.

Admiral, yes you are right, color IS determined by its wavelengths, the wider the wave the redder the color the closer the wavelength, the bluer the color, the hand will show this too by open fingers on red and closed fingers on blue. Color is energy and creates the growth/coming together and disintergration/coming apart of all life. When the planets are shown to have a red shift in space, they are flying apart from each other. A blue shift shows them coming together.
As I said, orange is a color (wavelength) and has its own sign on the hand.
It is interesting to see that all of you who post here on this thread are waiting for me to hand them the proof on a plate without moving yourselves to see the proof yourselves on the pictures I told you to view. I dont know what troll means but it seems to me that you all are flounders, floundering around waiting for the next childish game to play on someone.
Non of you have taken the energy to look at the pictures of James Randi and others here that show the hand sign of the color that they are wearing. I told you the hand signs before I looked for the pictures to get you to understand about the invisible that is visible in front of you without your knowing it.

[TheBoyPaj]

Non of you have taken the energy to look at the pictures of James Randi and others here that show the hand sign of the color that they are wearing. I told you the hand signs before I looked for the pictures to get you to understand about the invisible that is visible in front of you without your knowing it.

That is not proof. If it was, This (http://www.friedmanarchives.com/Too%20Unusual%20to%20Sell/images/Hitler%20Only%208x12%20300%20dpi.jpg) would be proof that people raise their hands whenever they wear brown. Simply attaching meaning to a picture proves nothing.

But you know what would make everyone pay attention? If you successfully passed the blindfold test that you said was "child's play". That would be very interesting.

But you won't do that, will you? Because you know it's impossible.

[Rasmus]

It is interesting to see that all of you who post here on this thread are waiting for me to hand them the proof on a plate without moving yourselves to see the proof yourselves on the pictures I told you to view.

Pictures don't prove anything, much less te things you have said. All they might prove is that you are able to look for pictures where people hold their hands in certain ways. Whoopie!

I dont know what troll means but it seems to me that you all are flounders, floundering around waiting for the next childish game to play on someone.


It is you who is playing games.

Here is what happens: Someone comes and makes a claim about the paranormal. That somene wil lbe offered a million dollars for proving their claim to be right.

It is hardly a childish game to remind that someone of why everyone is here. You made your claim. Now prove it.

Non of you have taken the energy to look at the pictures of James Randi and others here that show the hand sign of the color that they are wearing. I told you the hand signs before I looked for the pictures to get you to understand about the invisible that is visible in front of you without your knowing it.

Irrelevant.

What exactly is stopping you?

If I had the ability you claim you have, I would a test up and running within a few hours. A couple of days to allow for a fully randomized and properly blinded test. One I could perform alone, just to make sure.

Then, I would send an actual application to the JREF.

I would te4ll them what I could do, and how I did test myself. I would ask them to review my protocol (which would be something as simple as sticking my hand into one of several shoeboxes) and let me sit ,y preliminary test ASAP.

I'd be over and done with all of that in well under a week; and would then wait for my appointment.

So .... how come you are not doing any of this? If you don't want the million, then why are oyu here and what do you want?

Rasmus.

[Kimpatsu]

I'm sorry, Peachy, but I have to disagree with you there. I don't know much about psychology, but I know about physics, and color does exist without the eye- light's color is determined by its wavelength, and an object's color is determined by what wavelengths it reflects and which it absorbs. It's also not true that orange is just a mix of red and yellow- it is in paint, but in terms of light it can be considered a seperate range of wavelengths.

Anyway, Renee, please stop explaining how significant your idea is. This forum has had hundreds of people show up and say that their idea would tear the structure of the world apart and cause a revolution in science. We won't believe it until you prove it. And don't give more examples from history to prove it- give an experiment. If you succeed, you'll win a million dollars, you'll be famous, and science will undergo a revolution. However, you're not going to prove a thing by talking to us about how obvious your ideas are.

Now, imagine this test. Could you tell what color a piece of construction paper is only by touch? One would think that this would be possible given the effect the color would have on your hand, according to your view. However, if you think there's too many interfering colors from everything else around you, we could devise another test.

For example, here's one: could you show that friction doesn't exist when no red is around?
THIS is DEFINITELY the best post in the thread so far.
Well said, Admiral.

[Gr8wight]

Anothersillyalias, you prove my point exactly, you want media acknowledgement before you take any notice of my discovery.

Renee, we do not believe your "discovery" actually exists. It is the considered opinion of the skeptics on this forum that your mind has imagined relationships between colours and hand positions where none truly exist. In order to convince any of us that the things you are saying have merit, you will have to provide a demonstration, under proper observing conditions. If you need assistance understanding any of the terms I have used, do not hesitate to ask for help.

[Peachy]

I'm sorry, Peachy, but I have to disagree with you there. I don't know much about psychology, but I know about physics, and color does exist without the eye- light's color is determined by its wavelength, and an object's color is determined by what wavelengths it reflects and which it absorbs. It's also not true that orange is just a mix of red and yellow- it is in paint, but in terms of light it can be considered a seperate range of wavelengths.

Ummm...John Watson I think. Its actually sort of a if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound type of thing. I don't know, I'm a social psychologist not a cognition/neuropsychologist, but it was something like that, having to do with colorblindness. The idea was, the wavelength may exist, but color must be perceived for the color to exist. Philosophically, the color that you perceive to be red, may be different from my perspective, even if we both see the same wavelength. And actually, I should have known the orange thing, I've seen the cover of Dark Side of the Moon.

[Peachy]

Non of you have taken the energy to look at the pictures of James Randi and others here that show the hand sign of the color that they are wearing. I told you the hand signs before I looked for the pictures to get you to understand about the invisible that is visible in front of you without your knowing it.

Well, actually I did take a look, and didn't find anything too remarkable. For instance you said the following about Ed Lu's picture:

EdLu Astronaught with a blue shirt on and his hand cupped in the blue color sign. His fingers are also spayed in front of the red color while in the blue sign.

http://skepticreport.com/download/tam4/pix/0029.jpg

Now, this is a momentary image where Ed is obviuosly describing something. It seems likely that a second or two later, his hands would be doing something different.

You also tell us about the significance of a fist:

But if you go to the Amazing Meeting Photos you can see a photo of James Randi with a black suit on giving a talk. His hands both have the black sign of a fist showing that he is sending out information.

If I compare the previous picture to this one (of Brandon Routh as Superman, who is also wearing red and blue), his hands are in fists, which you associate with black. However, obviously, he's not wearing black. More importantly he is not showing the same hand sign as Ed Lu, even though he's wearing the same colors.

http://wwws.warnerbros.co.uk/supermanreturns/assets/images/t_gallery/pic-1.jpg

What am I missing?

[Morwen]

Renee, you said that some people who eat strawberries get sick. True. But you say some. If red foods are so, so bad, why not all?

Another question: some people also get sick when they eat peanuts. Which are not red. Why?

Also: how would you prove your "theory" wrong?

[The_Fire]

And then there's the entire thing with flour (white) and milk (white) which also makes some people sick.
And just to clarify things: I post from a room with white walls, a dark mahogany brown bookcase and a huge mainly blue world atlas on the wall. I also wear a dark blue shirt and a pair of light blue jeans.
I would also like to point out that I don't wear red makeup as I rarely wear ANY makeup at all due to an allergy to the BLUE eyemakeup & eyeliner which, after a couple of hours, makes my face look like a pufferfish without the spikes.

I would also like to point out that POTATOES, which have a brown peel with a white/yellowish interior also belongs to the Nightshade family. This clashes with your tomatoe theory.

Oh, and that red thing on my avatar? Thats the danish flag. A nation, which , aside from the recent helping hand to the US in invading Iraq, have managed to stay out of wars since WW2 DESPITE having RED in their flag. Same goes for Greenland (whom have their own red/white flag). And Austria. And what about Red Cross?

[Admiral]

Ummm...John Watson I think. Its actually sort of a if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound type of thing. I don't know, I'm a social psychologist not a cognition/neuropsychologist, but it was something like that, having to do with colorblindness. The idea was, the wavelength may exist, but color must be perceived for the color to exist. Philosophically, the color that you perceive to be red, may be different from my perspective, even if we both see the same wavelength. And actually, I should have known the orange thing, I've seen the cover of Dark Side of the Moon.

This is certainly interesting as a matter of philosophy, but it doesn't make Renee's idea any less likely. After all, even without people to observe it, color can have an effect. For example, the color of light determines how much of it shines through a sheet of blue glass or reflects off a blue object. There are electronic components that can detect only particular wavelengths of light or distinguish them. But on the other hand, is that a "If a tree falls in the forest and only a robot is around to hear it, does it still make a sound?" question?

Renee's idea is simply that this wavelength has an effect on the body beyond the effect it has on our eyes. We've heard stranger claims, certainly. What is irritating is not the nature of the claim, but the way Renee avoids direct questions, preferring to explain her beliefs in detail and offer up photographs that prove nothing.

Renee, you have offered no proof of your hypothesis yet. You cannot offer any just by talking. However, if you apply for the Challenge, agree on a protocol and pass the test, you'll go a long way in proving your claim. So why not come up with a protocol? Everyone on this forum would be happy to help you.

THIS is DEFINITELY the best post in the thread so far.
Well said, Admiral.

Thanks, Kimpatsu. However, I think that the post that has advanced our argument the most is this one:

Your replies are very interesting and show just how difficult it is to show new science to set thinkers. And you are right, just talking cannot teach or prove much without the visual facts.
You are all so confused with the concept of colors. You have to think out of the box. All the colored balls in creation will not do any good if the walls are red and the clothes you wear are pink or blue. There are many colors around human population and the body uses all those colors to be alive. The body itself, contains the colors within itself. The organs and flesh are red, the blood inside the body is blue. When the body opens itself up like going to the bathroom or opening the mouth or getting a cut etc, it shows its red colors, lets out liquid and makes a noise. Nasa is studying laser colors of blue and red and even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color and that is why a lot of their computers have a blue light on them. The black pupil of the eye is like a black hole in space, things go in and out of it. By the way, universes also are color coded in balance with each other. Where you see a red universe or star, there you will also see nearby a blue universe or star. The Sun is red and the far planets are blue. Blue and Red colored electromagnetic elements are totally opposite to each other. This creates a balance. Blue colors contain the purest positive electromagnetic elements that is known to man and Red colors contain the purest negative electromagnetic elements that is known to man. All the other colors are pulled into either a positive or a negative mode depending on which color they are put with. If we changed our world to a red colored world, the negative magnets of the red of our world and the negative magnets of the red of the sun would slide apart from each other and our world would move away from its place creating chaos in our universe.
Nasa is studying how to create gravity in a space ship. The red colors create the spin or giroscope effect and the blue colors create the stillness that nasa seeks for the astronaughts inside the space craft. You will find that they are using more and more blue colors inside their space station. Red creates velocity and more friction and this creates more red and more friction and more loss as things move apart from each other. As the hand will move all its fingers apart from each other and stand with its legs open to show a red opening of the body when the red color is present. The red aura/color on the body becomes absorbed through the skin into the body. Do a little test, put a paper on top of a red light of your cell phone or computer and see how the red color moves through the paper, that is how it goes through your skin as you sit for a length of time with it on you.
Rasmus, you say that you have lots of black but you do not make a fist, that is because you do not know how much red you have shining on you in the room and inside your clothes on your body. If you think that you do not have any red around you then try to take ALL the red that your eyes can see in the room, out of the room. Even the little red line on the writing paper or red picture on your shirt goes a long way. An impossible task, you will have practically nothing left. Red is a very powerful color and a little red creates more red and before you know it, all the shopping malls, the governments, the houses, the homes and gardens, the post offices, the schools, the churches and religions, the kings and queens, all the packages of food and drink start to make the red color a thing of admiration and pride. The red color is the ONLY color that causes friction, disintergration, disruption, problems, pain, illness and death. Red color on your bank account Oh Oh. tears and frustration and red face and red eyes on the body and the hands move around with open splayed fingers while the personality disintergrates. Do you think you are the only people that I have given this knowledge to? Check the cereal boxes and the magazines and you will find that blue is coming into age. Even Heinze Ketchup has made a blue ketchup, even tried purple and green. You will find that the past president Nixon wore red ties and the past president Clinton wore blue ties and so does the present President wear blue ties they are aware of my information.
All the babies disposable diapers contain a red picture on them. Poor babies. They throw their red bottle with red drink on the floor and their parents just pick it up clean it off and force it back into the childs mouth, Poor child, given a negative life before it can even walk. I heard on the tv last night that a couple just hit the baby to death. So sad. Too much red, creating red blood and red eyes and red jail.
Look for the two hand signs of red and blue on people. Red is easy to tell, so many people stand still walk or talk with their fingers parted from their hands as if their body was in shock the fingers mimicing fire burning or lava pouring from a mountain. See if you can notice the blue hand sign where all the fingers and thumb are together (like the blue shift of space) and the hand is cupped into an arc to mimic the blue sky arcing around the earth.
Renee

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Anothersillyalias, you prove my point exactly, you want media acknowledgement before you take any notice of my discovery.



This comment makes it VERY obvious that you don't understand scientific process or what is required for claims of any sort to be taken seriously.

I have absolutely no interest whatever in what the media might have to say. At least not the media you are no doubt referring to. You made a claim about how children might act in differently coloured rooms. I asked to see where I might find reports in RESPECTED PROFESSIONAL JOURNALS of the tests that confirm your claims. If none exist then where do I find the results of the scientific tests that do confirm your hypothesis? If no tests have been conducted then your claims are little more than opinion on your part. Why should I believe it?

Claims require proof by the claimant. A bunch of pictures, by themselves, prove nothing.

[Renee Rynn]

Every picture tells a thousand words.

[Renee Rynn]

Actually, I do understand scientific process.
To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

[Rasmus]

Every picture tells a thousand words.

Yes, but they do diddley squat do prove your inane assertions.

A real scientific, properly blinded and randomized test, on the other hand ...

[Renee Rynn]

Kramer is not handling the challenge any more. There is no challenge, Poof, it is gone.

[Rasmus]

Kramer is not handling the challenge any more.

Right.

There is no challenge, Poof, it is gone.

Wrong. Things are merely stalling.

There will be a delay in processing new challenge applications while we adjust to recent changes. Please continue to use challenge@randi.org for all challenge related correspondence.

Again, if I had the abilities you claim to have I would have long e-mailed that address with a complete application (perhaps lacking the notarized confirmations).

48 hours later I would be on a damn phone and bug whoever's in the office about when I'd be getting a reply and where to leave my account details so the money could be transfert asap. I'd want to know which plane to take to meet whoever on the damn planet would be willing to test me.

Why aren't you doing any of this? What is it you want here?

[Renee Rynn]

Never mind the phone, where does one see this complete application?

[Kimpatsu]

Actually, I do understand scientific process.
To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.
My very presence on this board proves you wrong. Or are you really merely asserting the primacy of your beliefs over reality? For, if so, that is blind arrogance, and the antithesis of open-ended scientific inquiry.
Your claims and behaviour, and your refusal to apply for the challenge, increasingly marks you out as a troll, Renee. Prove me wrong and apply now, or get lost. IOW, put up or shut up.

[Rasmus]

Never mind the phone, where does one see this complete application?

I am not sure I understand you?

My application? I am not the one claiming that I can do anything paranormal.

Or did you mean to ask where you should send yours? challenge@randi.org

Or are you looking for a sample application?

Rasmus.

[Kimpatsu]

Never mind the phone, where does one see this complete application?
Try the "$1 million challenge" link at the top of this very page.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Actually, I do understand scientific process.


You hide it well.


To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

No, what has happened is that you have some cherished belief about colours so you have come here to stun us all with your revelations. Unfortunately you have stumbled upon a forum where the majority want to see some evidence of your claims and, because we haven't immediately and unquestioningly accepted your rather bizarre beliefs, you are now throwing a bit of a temper tantrum and making more silly claims.

Whether or not you happen to believe any of the members here are scientists is irrelevant, I'm sure those that are scientists are probably having a bit of a chuckle right now.

When you get round to making a challenge application people might begin to take you seriously.

[Renee Rynn]

This is interesting. I asked where I can find the challenge on this site so that I can send it in and all I get is repetitious monolog without any of you looking for yourself and telling me where to find the challenge to fill out.
Trolls indeed, is that not a child's toy?
Some of you have been very rude to me but I have been polite with you.
I hope that I am not talking with a lot of children that talk without any real intellectual substance to them.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Some of you have been very rude to me but I have been polite with you.


So I see.


To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.



I hope that I am not talking with a lot of children that talk without any real intellectual substance to them.

I'm surprised that, with your obvious intellectual superiority, you were unable to find this:

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

[Rasmus]

This is interesting. I asked where I can find the challenge on this site so that I can send it in and all I get is repetitious monolog without any of you looking for yourself and telling me where to find the challenge to fill out.

Simple: I didn't realize that you thought there was a form to be filled out.
Hence I asked what it was that you wanted to know.

I even did answer some of the questions I thought you might have meant to ask.

What more would you have expected?

I don't think there is a form you can fill out. No, I didn't go looking for one; do your own damned work. (The reason I don't belive there is one is because I have read past applications in the forum, and they seem not to follow a specific pattern, also the challenge rules speak of how much or little you are supposed to be writing. This suggests "free text" to me. No form is ever mentioned, as far as I know.)

Do you need hlep writing that letter? Just ask then.

Trolls indeed, is that not a child's toy?
Some of you have been very rude to me but I have been polite with you.


You keep belittleing us, that is far from polite! The reason why some of us are somewhat rude (and I might be guilty here myself) is that you are just wasting everybody's time. What you are doing here won't be getting anyone anywhere.

It doesn't get you closer to the challenge, it doesn't get us closer to seeing you on the challenge. Whatever else you might be after: This is the wrong place for it - and chances ae, even if it wasn't you wouldn't be making any progress.

I hope that I am not talking with a lot of children that talk without any real intellectual substance to them.

Why not just send in an application, work out a protocol and get rich; or tell us what it is you expect from us? Nobody here will have anything to do with the actual challenge. We're just curious and willing to help if we can.

Rasmus.

[Hastur]

This is as close to a form that there is to the $1 Million Challenge: http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
This is only something to be signed by the applicant and submitted (with proper notarization) with the 2 paragraph letter giving:
1. What is being claimed (be concise)
2. How the claim will be proven.

Hastur stop being childish.
Concession noted and accepted.

[Admiral]

Actually, I do understand scientific process.
To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

Nah, I'm just a high school senior. I don't pretend I have any qualifications I don't, but I know pseudoscience when I see it.

However, there is no reason to continue this discussion in a rude tone- I hope everyone, especially the skeptics on the forum, can be more civil. Renee's questions have been reasonable so far.

Renee, I have some important tips about the challenge application.

First of all, the application must be notarized. Print it out from http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html, read it carefully, sign it, find a notary public, then send it in. Make sure to include your email address, as challenge correspondence is handled via email. It may take a few weeks before the challenge is up and running again, though- it's not their fault.

Also, a very important tip about the two paragraph description of your ability- the JREF doesn't want to read a long description of your ideas and beliefs. This description should be just a simple, short, claim- a good example would be "I can recognize colors just by touch" or "My hands make signals based on what color they are touching." You then need to state how this ability can be tested, and what constitutes a positive result- for example, "A positive result would be that I can recognize a randomly selected color nine out of ten times."

Read the application and the FAQ (http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html) carefully. Many applicants waste weeks in confused debates that could have been avoided with fifteen minutes of work.

I strongly suggest you post your claim letter on this forum before you send your application in. The skeptics here would be happy to help you refine your claim- many have years of experience with challenge applicants. Checking it over with forum members will ensure that there are no misunderstandings with the JREF once you send it in.

Don't disappear into philosophy. Don't send any pictures as "evidence." Don't tell the JREF how earth-shaking your idea is. Don't imply that the prize is a joke.

They've heard it all before.

Just follow the instructions and the million is all yours.

[TheBoyPaj]

Every picture tells a thousand words.

That is nothing compared to the many thousands of words spouted by someone who wants to avoid proving themselves.

You will never apply because you know that what you claim is false. You will merely insult everyone here, claim that we are closed minded and possibly get so abusive that you are finally banned from the forum. You will then claim that you were silenced because the JREF did not want to pay you the million.

We want to see your groundbreaking discovery. Either prove it or go away.

[Michael Gray]

Actually, I do understand scientific process.
To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

I am a scientist.
With verifiable qualifications.
Your belief does not equate with the facts.

[Ladewig]

So, Renee Rynn, if all the face cards were removed from a standard deck of cards, could you sort them without looking into one pile containing only hearts and diamonds and one pile containing only clubs and spades?

I ask for two reasons. First, the JREF would easily acknowledge this ability as eligible for the prize (provided that they supplied the blindfold). Second, the simplicity of this test allows you to easily check your powers before applying.

[drkitten]

I call "troll"

There is simply no excuse for her failure to complete a Challenge Application by now.


I'm afraid there is. If she has some questions she wishes to ask the JREF, then she can't fill out the application until someone comes in to replace KRAMER.

[drkitten]

To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

That's an interesting belief, but unfortunately wrong. I myself happen to be a professional scientist, tenured position and all, with something like fifty articles to my credit.

[Rasmus]

I'm afraid there is. If she has some questions she wishes to ask the JREF, then she can't fill out the application until someone comes in to replace KRAMER.

There will be a delay in processing new challenge applications while we adjust to recent changes. Please continue to use challenge@randi.org for all challenge related correspondence.

This just means that whatever you send might take somewhat longer to be processed than usual.

And it explicitly tells people to keep addressing the JREF.

What more could anyone ask for?

(Other than a forum full of members eager to help out with the application process if they can! Oh wait ... we have that, too!)

The only excuse she might have would be that she did address the JREF and the reply is still pending.

Like I said earlier: Would that stop *you*? Would it stop you from doing everything within reason to advance your application as far as possible even without the input of offficial JREF stuff?

And another note to Renee: don't let us stop you. You won't have to prove that just anybody can see what you claim is there. It is totally sufficient if you can prove that you can see it yourself. You just need to prove that one of your many claims is true - the simpler, the better.

You can feel the colour of a sheet of paper or a deck of cards or something blindfolded? Go for it, and don't bother about bodily movements and functions.

You can tell what colour soclks a person is wearing by only looking at their hands? Great! Pick just two colours to differentiate between and go for it.

Make it as easy as possible for yourself; get the prize and worry about the theory and the full range of your skills, or possible applications for other people later.

(I would be thrilled to learn how to do these things. If you teach me how it's done I'll try everything I can to get my greedy hands on the money before you! So why not get the money first and then teach the world?)

Rasmus.

[drkitten]

This just means that whatever you send might take somewhat longer to be processed than usual.

And it explicitly tells people to keep addressing the JREF.

What more could anyone ask for?

Answers to questions, such as "does this claim qualify as paranormal?"



(Other than a forum full of members eager to help out with the application process if they can! Oh wait ... we have that, too!)

Yes, but we don't speak officially for the JREF, so we can't answer questions.



The only excuse she might have would be that she did address the JREF and the reply is still pending.

... or she wants to wait until there's someone there she can deal from a position of stability.

The problem with just writing the JREF, as it stands right now is any answer she gets is likely to be an off-the-cuff answer from the person who happens to be writing the email, and as such may well be repudiated by Randi when he returns to his desk. ("You agreed to WHAT? No way can we agree to that -- write her back RIGHT NOW and tell her that you misspoke.") The JREF has always been very professionally run -- but part of the reason for that is that Randi appears to run a rather tight ship, and I expect he will want to look very carefully at any decisions or agreements taken in his absence.

Which is a good thing. But it also means I wouldn't want to press JREF for a decision in his absence for exactly this reason.


Like I said earlier: Would that stop *you*? Would it stop you from doing everything within reason to advance your application as far as possible even without the input of offficial JREF stuff?


Quite likely, yes. I'd rather wait the extra month and make sure that I'm working with the JREF's full support and cooperation than take blind shots in the dark. It's not like the money isn't going to be there in May, right?

[Renee Rynn]

Thank you for all your suggestions and advice.
Truly, I have given the challenge great thought and am interested to see how people will react to something completely new and how they think, even after all my explainations. I have found that it is easier to teach children how to recognize the movements of the body when colors are present on the body than it is for adults to learn this. Adults find it hard to understand that everything about nature and the body that they have been taught are not necessarally all the truth in reality. They do not want to be the first to see it. A very difficult position to be in I am sure of through experience.

[Renee Rynn]

One thing that you are all having great difficulty with is that you are trying to do the experiement for me.
Your minds eye only sees the experiements that have gone on before.
My findings are not of self and I am not claiming to be an occultist or magic person that can be blindfolded and tell you each color that you put on my hands.
I am different. What I discovered is much more than that and I will be happy to use any of you for demonstrations of a scientific study nature.
I have told you the way that I will make a demonstration and I will have it videotaped to view afterwards by anyone else. I do not mind how many people watch the demonstration or participate.

[The_Fire]

Thank you for all your suggestions and advice.
Truly, I have given the challenge great thought and am interested to see how people will react to something completely new and how they think, even after all my explainations. I have found that it is easier to teach children how to recognize the movements of the body when colors are present on the body than it is for adults to learn this. Adults find it hard to understand that everything about nature and the body that they have been taught are not necessarally all the truth in reality. They do not want to be the first to see it. A very difficult position to be in I am sure of through experience.

Probably because children don't diffrentiate too well between fairytale and science.....

[Renee Rynn]

Of course, I would not put you into a dark room, I would do it in light, outside or inside, depending on what colors are showing to the point of the eye vision. If you can see it, the color is on you. So it would be very important to do the study where there is no man made coloring around.

[Renee Rynn]

Later on, you will all be able to understand the post of the Fire.

[Renee Rynn]

Hopefully her blatent negative red colors do not affect your judgement or thinking and does not bring out the base talk again on this thread. We will see anyway. Blue or Red, the color quality of the talk tells all.

[ChristineR]

Detecting colors while blindfolded is simple test, but it is not the only one. What about determining what color a person is looking at?

People make hand gestures all of the time. If you watch a person long enough, he is sure to make whichever hand gesture you are looking for. This is compounded by the fact that in real life everyone is surrounded by all different colors.

Do you claim that a person wearing white and in a white room while looking a a red card will make the "red" sign more often than the other signs? If so you should be able to determine what color a person is looking at by observing him for a few minutes.

[The_Fire]

Later on, you will all be able to understand the post of the Fire. :rolleyes:

ETA:
Hopefully her blatent negative red colors do not affect your judgement or thinking and does not bring out the base talk again on this thread. We will see anyway. Blue or Red, the color quality of the talk tells all.

Let me guess: Someone who doesn't automaticly agrees with you are a "Red"?

Now: Put your money where your mouth is: Come up with an application for the challenge and apply and lets see if this little idea of yours hold water....

[Neutiquam Erro]

I've been following this thread and trying to figure out why it all seems so familiar. As a big Christopher Guest fan, I'm embarassed it took me this long to remember this brilliant monologue from A Mighty Wind (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310281/):

Terry and I worship an unconventional deity. The power of another dimension.

Now, you're not going to read about this dimension in a book, or in a magazine, or in a newspaper, because it doesn't exist anywhere -- except in my own mind.

Through our ceremonies and our rituals we have witnessed firsthand the awesome and vibratory power of color.

We experience it as alive and constantly shaping our experience.

And we believe that this saturated energy is the basis of all creation.

We are WINC. W-I-N-C. Witches In Nature's Colors. WINC.

[The_Fire]

That would be fiction, right?

[Renee Rynn]

Yes Christine, but the point is that every color makes its own hand sign. No one hand sign is made for any other color but its own color and each color has a meaning and that meaning never changes. When that can be understood, it will be amazing to read what the hands are saying to you.
That is paranormal itself to know if the hands are telling you that you are standing in the area of bad negative energy and you must move from that spot immediately. Or they tell you that the person you are talking to is telling the thruth ot telling you a lie. The body uses each color around itself to talk to you on the hands all the time. This function can only be realized when the colors are not all together in front of the body. They have to be parted from each other and each individual hand sign watched as they use the colors to talk to you.

[Renee Rynn]

As I said before, red brings in more red. and more base talk.
It is sad that Fire who must be of the witch faith according to her picture and erro who is a copy cat, dont find a site with their own like minded people to converse with. They would be far happier there than here.
When their red type start on a thread, the red energy parts itself from itself and the thread will disintergrate to nothing and they will be obliged then to find another thread or site anyway.
Irrigardless, it does not change the discovery or the focus or the challenge to teach that new knowledge. Maybe make some money out of it too, that would be nice.

[Peachy]

Renee,

Any chance you could explain what's going on in my Superman picture? Why is he not showing what would seem to be the appropriate hand symbol?

[Renee Rynn]

Peachy, I am sad to say that the person that used all those red clothes in the picture super man Christopher Reeves died. One of the things that the red color does is cause accidents.
If you do not know what the sign of the red color is on the hand then how can you say that the fictional character Superman Reeves played in the movie does not make the red sign.

[eri]

As I said before, red brings in more red. and more base talk.
It is sad that Fire who must be of the witch faith according to her picture and erro who is a copy cat, dont find a site with their own like minded people to converse with. They would be far happier there than here.

So ... I'm a radio telescope?

I tend to agree with Fire on the whole here, but my avatar is green - isn't that supposed to be one of the soothing colors?

What if Fire changed her avatar to be all blue or green? Not that she should, of course. But according to your theory, wouldn't that change her entire nature?

[The_Fire]

As I said before, red brings in more red. and more base talk.
It is sad that Fire who must be of the witch faith according to her picture


Which proves that you have accurately used Google on my Nick. (http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=The_Fire&as_oq=board&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images)
I have never tried to hide this as proven by me using the same nick on several "woo" sites as well as here and on Witchvox.
However if you by "witches faith" mean Wicca or that I'm following the Witches Creed, than you are sorely mistaken.

As a (witch) friend of mine pointed out: Not all witches are wiccan and not all wiccans are witches.
Wicca is a religion (and a fairly young one), witchcraft is a way of living.

If you by posting this means to somehow discredit me, then you are also mistaken as my faith have never been a secret.
On the other hand, if you by mentioning this means that I am supposed to be a pushover and believe in everything that I'm told, then you have made another mistake. Being a witch, and openminded for that matter, doesn't mean being so openminded that your brain falls out.
I seek evidence first as mentioned in my signature which also accounts for the fact that I view Witchcraft as a mere mental discipline with a great buildin stressrelief.
Should you provide some by applying for the challenge, presenting a real viable protocol for testing, and win it, then hats off for you. But untill then I'll remain sceptical of your claims.


and erro who is a copy cat, dont find a site with their own like minded people to converse with.


It is not within your rights to tell me what and where to post.
You might want to read the following link:
Human rights article (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html)
You should concetrate on articles 2, 9, 18, 19 and 27


They would be far happier there than here.


I am actually quiet happy here.
Besides, it's the moderators whom determine whether or not to ban/exile/exclude someone from this site.

When their red type start on a thread, the red energy parts itself from itself and the thread will disintergrate to nothing and they will be obliged then to find another thread or site anyway.


Wrong, but just to humour you I'll repeat my questions which you have yet to answer:

1: If physical manifestations depend on the color of food, how come there are people who are allergic to flour and milk?
2: If Red means that a food, as illustrated with your theory regarding tomatoes and the fact that they stem from the Nightshade family, is wrong for you, how come that potatoes, which are also from the nightshad family, are white/Yellowish with a brown peal?
3: Explain how a nation like Denmark,Greenland (not a nation in itself but still),Japan, Austria and an organisation as Red Cross doesn't seem to suffer from overdue violence due to the rather larget amount of red in theri flags/symbols.

And I will once again point out that I'm posting from a largely white room whith splashes of blue and mahogany brown even if I do have a white shirt on today and dark blue jeans as the other pair is in the hamper.


Irrigardless, it does not change the discovery or the focus or the challenge to teach that new knowledge. Maybe make some money out of it too, that would be nice.

PLease do apply....Please do.....
But I'm not holding my breath here....

[Neutiquam Erro]

That would be fiction, right?

Well, I used to think so! ;)

[Peachy]

Peachy, I am sad to say that the person that used all those red clothes in the picture super man Christopher Reeves died. One of the things that the red color does is cause accidents.
If you do not know what the sign of the red color is on the hand then how can you say that the fictional character Superman Reeves played in the movie does not make the red sign.

You are comparing the pictures in post #127, right?

I'm completely confused. Firstly, that's not Christopher Reeve, its Brandon Routh.

But my point is, in this picture, he's holding fists, the sign of black, right? So, obviously he's not making the red or blue hand symbol. Why not?

[Renee Rynn]

eri, if fire changed her color here, it would change the quality of the nature and thoughts of the people that have her color on their face.

[Renee Rynn]

green does not sooth, it bends things that move.

[The_Fire]

eri, if fire changed her color here, it would change the quality of the nature and thoughts of the people that have her color on their face.

Sorry, ain't happening.

And you still haven't answered my questions.

[Renee Rynn]

I am sorry Peachy, I thought you were refering to the movie Super Man that you had in your posession. I usually try to be explicit in my talk and tend to think others are too.

[Renee Rynn]

From now onwards, Fire is on my ignore list, she has nothing constructively to say here.

[The_Fire]

Cool, I've gotten on someones ignore list! And just for asking questions as well :D.

[Renee Rynn]

Peachy, I went back and looked at the photo that you are refering too.
In the photo, you will see that between his legs are red and his legs are open. The left hand actually is making the sign of blue and the right hand shows the sign of will power. He does not make the fist black sign at all.

[TheBoyPaj]

Peachy, I went back and looked at the photo that you are refering too.
In the photo, you will see that between his legs are red and his legs are open. The left hand actually is making the sign of blue.

No he doesn't. Unless you have changed your definition from:

See if you can notice the blue hand sign where all the fingers and thumb are together (like the blue shift of space) and the hand is cupped into an arc to mimic the blue sky arcing around the earth.

His hand is not in an arc at all. The fingers are clenched tight.

So, even when you're spinning tales and evading tests, you cannot be consistent. Give it up.

[Renee Rynn]

Your other photo of Edlu that you have there, I described with blue hands in an arc splayed out by the red color between them.

Blue is positive energy and red is negative energy.

His hands show that Positive Negative is shining between his hands.
The next movement of his hands into the next sign will continue the rest of what the hands are telling about what is happening to the body at that time.

[Renee Rynn]

The Boy Paj, is that you in your photo? I tend to think that it is.

You aught to close your mouth before a fly flies in. LOL

[The_Fire]

Still haven't answered my questions though.....:rolleyes:

[petre]

The Boy Paj, is that you in your photo? I tend to think that it is.

You aught to close your mouth before a fly flies in. LOL

Commenting on his avatar does not in any way absolve you from having to address his questions. He has quite clearly demonstrated your claim is false as stated.

[The_Fire]

An interesting Google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Renee+Rynn%22&btnG=Search).

[AnotherSillyAlias]

One thing that you are all having great difficulty with is that you are trying to do the experiement for me.
Your minds eye only sees the experiements that have gone on before.


Once again you are either displaying a lack of understanding of scientific method, or you are completely misunderstanding what most here are trying to tell you.

We are not trying to do the experiment for you, we are suggesting ways that your claims could be tested that would conform with valid scientific principles. You are the one who decides the protocol for your test however the protocol must be scientifically valid.

I'm not exactly sure what your second sentence means but if you are saying that we are referring to tests that have conformed to valid testing methods then, you would be correct.

Just in case you still fail to grasp what we are saying, let me summarise.

If you want your ideas to be accepted as a valid scientific theory you will have to subject them to tests using scientific method and the results published in peer reviewed journals. Until you do this they will remain little more than fanciful, wishfull thinking. It is not necessary to submit a JREF challenge, you only need to do this if you want to try and win money. If you want real world recognition for your claims proper tests by, say, a reputable university is the way to go.

[CriticalThanking]

I personally feel that Fire was contributing quite a bit. Her questions are the type that (in my humble opinion) a majority of people on this board would find usefull to have answered. Since she is on your ignore list, would you please answer the questions when I ask them? I don't have anything red on and I am neither Wiccan nor witch. I am sincerely interested in your answers.

1: If physical manifestations depend on the color of food, how come there are people who are allergic to flour and milk?
2: If Red means that a food, as illustrated with your theory regarding tomatoes and the fact that they stem from the Nightshade family, is wrong for you, how come that potatoes, which are also from the nightshad family, are white/Yellowish with a brown peal?
3: Explain how a nation like Denmark,Greenland (not a nation in itself but still),Japan, Austria and an organisation as Red Cross doesn't seem to suffer from overdue violence due to the rather larget amount of red in theri flags/symbols.

Thanks,

CT

[Pup]

Looks like we've been on this merry-go-round ride before. Check out Randi's commentary from 2000 linked here (the second item beginning "A correspondent sent in...."):

http://www.randi.org/jr/12-22-2000.html

Among other things:

In a follow-up question on 12/5/2000, he asked this:

Question: If you know some blind people who can tell color by feel, why not have them demonstrate it for money? See http://www.randi.org for James Randi website that offers $1 million for proof of psychic or paranormal power. Since they are blind, then blindfolds won't matter for testing their ability to distinguish colors by "aura or feel."

mentor612 gave this response on 12/6/2000:

Answer: ALL hands in the world (blind people included) make the exact same signs all the time, and the signs are designated to the color that is influencing the person at that particular time. If you dont [sic] want to take my advice, that is your wish and choice. You asked for an alternative medicine and I gave you knowledge on how to do that.

Please note how the JREF challenge is totally ignored. Surely, this "teacher" has one blind person who can and will collect the million-dollar prize?

[The_Fire]

Which gives this Google Result (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22mentor612%22&btnG=Search).

ETA: No wonder she wont answer:Shes not used to scepticism....

I googled the mentor612 thing.....

[Peachy]

Peachy, I went back and looked at the photo that you are refering too.
In the photo, you will see that between his legs are red and his legs are open. The left hand actually is making the sign of blue and the right hand shows the sign of will power. He does not make the fist black sign at all.

Okay, but explain to me why - even though he's wearing red and blue, just as Ed Lu is - he is obviously displaying different hand signs...

[Silly Green Monkey]

I have been following this discussion with some interest, but I'm left with a major question. If the hands are always making some kind of color sign, how can they be used for anything else? I do a lot with my hands, typing, tatting, sewing. Why is it that my typing positions do not change based on the shirt I am wearing?

[Admiral]

Renee, you still haven't answered the most important question with regards to a challenge application.

What test could you undergo that would prove your paranormal claim?

You may call these tests "parlor games," but that shows that you misunderstand the nature of evidence. It is possible for a simple test that takes only half an hour to prove almost any paranormal claim. The members of this forum are willing to help you come up with one for your ability. However, you prefer to do nothing but post pictures.

Renee, just focus on this question: What simple task could you perform that would be impossible unless your ideas about color were true? As an example, "I can recognize the color of a sheet of paper while I am blindfolded."

[Renee Rynn]

CT,
1/ physical manifestations depend on color NOT food,
A/ how come there are people who are allergic to flour and milk?
Are you sure that is what makes them allergic? Remember Viox it was said to be ok yesterday and not ok today.
2: If Red means that a food is wrong for you, how come that potatoes, which are also from the nightshad family, are white/Yellowish with a brown peal?
All things that grow down towards the red color inside the earth contain electrons that have their own effect on the health of your body. Red originates in darkness and dries you out. Potatoes also originate in darkness and have a drying effect on your body, that is why so many people need them fried or roasted or boiled etc. A dry potatoe will take the water like a sponge from inside your body and dry the cells of your body out.
As regards its color, every color fits together like a jigsaw puzzle. Soil is brown and the brown color in nature allows opposites to happen. Things can grow up and down at the same time. The SIGN of brown on your hand shows on the palm of your hand. You will find that dark people have the opposite color on the palm of their hand. When you eat, you put the palm of your hand to your mouth because your body says that opposite to starve is going to happen, your body is being fed.
3: Explain how a nation like Denmark,Greenland Japan, Austria and the Red Cross do not seem to suffer from overdue violence due to the rather large amount of red in their flags/symbols.
Japan has lots of sickness and bombing and death and disease. Even their chickens have bird flu. I would have to look up the other countries to make a comment on them. The red cross consists of singular people working for them that go home to their own grief, sickness and hardships after a day spent with red on their face.

[Renee Rynn]

Peachy even though he's wearing red and blue, he is obviously displaying different hand signs...
He is displaying red on his legs and blue on his left hand. The hand signs are only a fraction of body language, it is just good to learn them because they talk with the language of the colors of nature to you.
His right hand shows strong will to keep positive while red is shining on him.

[Renee Rynn]

If you are all bored with the details of my discovery and eager to get me on the stage, then I will leave you to your own selves for now. I leave tomorrow for Canada.
Even though I have great grandchildren of my own, it is not easy to know that the ability to talk to my mother again is gone, she is just not there any more. I am now going to pay my respects to her great memory. we were the best of friends for over half a century.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

All things that grow down towards the red color inside the earth contain electrons that have their own effect on the health of your body.


This may come as a big surprise to you but things that grow up towards the blue sky also contain electrons!


Red originates in darkness and dries you out. Potatoes also originate in darkness and have a drying effect on your body, that is why so many people need them fried or roasted or boiled etc. A dry potatoe will take the water like a sponge from inside your body and dry the cells of your body out.


You can, of course, give many references to where this is verified!



Things can grow up and down at the same time.



A startling discovery. What about things that grow sideways?


When you eat, you put the palm of your hand to your mouth because your body says that opposite to starve is going to happen, your body is being fed.


I do? I'm generally holding a knife or fork in my hand, or maybe a hamburger or something, when I'm eating and I avoid waving them around near my mouth unless I poke something into my eye.

Meal times at your place must be an interesting sight.


Japan has lots of sickness and bombing and death and disease.

Yep, all that disease and bombing going on over there has just about wiped them out completely.

[hellaeon]

as randi may say - 'the unsinkable duck'

[themyst]

Renee Rynn, if I am wearing white and in a white room and someone shows me a colour, could you, while watching a black and white video of the process, tell me what colour I am seeing/touching?

If so, please take up the challenge, if not, please go away.

All we want is to see you attempt and maybe even succeed. We don't really care about why you think such happens, or how you learnt/got this ability.

When you accept the challenge and win the $1m, I will spend all the time you want listening to you, till then ..... Do or go away.

[Kimpatsu]

Japan has lots of sickness and bombing and death and disease.
More so than the United States? I don't think so.
Even their chickens have bird flu.
Only one outbreak has been reported. Bird flu is more prevalent in Vietnam, China, Laos, Austria, France, and Turkey. What do colours have to do with that?

[Kimpatsu]

Yep, all that disease and bombing going on over there has just about wiped them out completely.
But I'm still here! Yayy!

[TheBoyPaj]

She's going to Canada. With that amount of red in their flag, she'll be lucky to make it out alive.

[Neutiquam Erro]

I always thought there was something sinister going on with those Red Hat (http://www.redhatsociety.com) Ladies:

http://www.redhatsociety.com/events/photos/Nashville2003/thursday/ThursNightLg.jpg

:eek:

[nathan]

That is paranormal itself to know if the hands ... Or they tell you that the person you are talking to is telling the thruth ot telling you a lie.
I thought you said the shape of the hands is determined by the colors of the environment? At least one post of yours said that the hands will *always* make some particular shape in response to some particular color. Now you seem to be indicating that the shape of the hands is determined by other things as well. Color me confused :)

[nathan]

green does not sooth, it bends things that move.
At last, a short succinct claim. Do you mean that if I move something within a green environment, that thing will be bent? Let me just nip off to the park and wave a stick around ...

[chillzero]

Which gives this Google Result (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22mentor612%22&btnG=Search).

ETA: No wonder she wont answer:Shes not used to scepticism....

I googled the mentor612 thing.....

Interesting.
The google on her name comes up with a lot of requests for money, for psychic readings (as well as this thread).

The second google done by the fire includes this little gem: an email that identifies mentor612 as 'Rene'.

Well done, Pup and Fire.

[Gr8wight]

Which gives this Google Result (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22mentor612%22&btnG=Search).

ETA: No wonder she wont answer:Shes not used to scepticism....

I googled the mentor612 thing.....

Cool, I've gotten on someones ignore list! And just for asking questions as well :D.

Still haven't answered my questions though.....:rolleyes:

An interesting Google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Renee+Rynn%22&btnG=Search).

I'm quoting all of Fire's posts, just because it will tick off Renee. At least I hope it will.

[opqdan]

As far as the tomatos being red and related to nightshade line of thinking...

The Solanaceae (nightshade) family contains many plants of all different colors. All of these plants are included in the family:

tomato - Not all tomatoes are red, and all start out green. I grow yellow, green (when ripe even), white, and orange tomatoes. I thought white was a positive color?

potato- Already pointed out, but most potatos are whitish inside and brown outside. I have personally grown blue and purple varieties along with red.

chile peppers - a lot of peppers start off green (and bend things??? :eye-poppi ) and ripen red. Many can even ripen orange, yellow, brown, purple, even white. Not all of these are hot either, I have grown white bell peppers.

eggplant - many eggplants are purple, but white and green are also possible.

tobacco - this is a green leaf, brown when dried.

petunias - these flowers come in almost any color imaginable, including mixtures.

If these are all related to nightshade (the deadliest plant in the western hemisphere - it can kill an adult with a single leaf), then why the assortment of colors, both positive and negative? I can only assume that you were grasping for straws explaining why tomatos were red.

[rwguinn]

As far as the tomatos being red and related to nightshade line of thinking...

The Solanaceae (nightshade) family contains many plants of all different colors. All of these plants are included in the family:

......

chile peppers - a lot of peppers start off green (and bend things??? :eye-poppi ) and ripen red. Many can even ripen orange, yellow, brown, purple, even white. Not all of these are hot either, I have grown white bell peppers.

eggplant - many eggplants are purple, but white and green are also possible.

.........
If these are all related to nightshade (the deadliest plant in the western hemisphere - it can kill an adult with a single leaf), then why the assortment of colors, both positive and negative? I can only assume that you were grasping for straws explaining why tomatos were red.


Which explains why the best Chili's in the world (Hatch, NM, USA) are bent...and, of course, green.
And as for eggplant....purple is indeed a deadly clor, there. I get sick just looking at them...:D

[LordoftheLeftHand]

That is paranormal itself to know if the hands are telling you that you are standing in the area of bad negative energy and you must move from that spot immediately.

How many joules is this "negative energy"?

[timokay]

How in the world this this thread go 6 pages without a recipe?

[rwguinn]

How in the world this this thread go 6 pages without a recipe?

Well, there are some mentions of veggies and fruits....
Chili's are mentioned at least twice...

[AnotherSillyAlias]

What we need is a good recipe for sure but I don't want it to include any of those down growing plants with the nasty electrons!

[Kimpatsu]

chile peppers - a lot of peppers start off green (and bend things??? :eye-poppi )
Your tongue, when hot enough.

[rwguinn]

Your tongue, when hot enough.

Y'all need to larn how to spel koreckly.
It's Chili without the pepper.

[Kimpatsu]

Y'all need to larn how to spel koreckly.
It's Chili without the pepper.
This joke leaves me feeling distinctly chilly...

[StoatBringer]

What utter bilge.

[Hastur]

Let's be more descriptive than that, StoatBringer! Let's call it what it properly is: the biggest fallacious protection of the hypothesis since Robert Scott Anderson.

[Kimpatsu]

Let's be more descriptive than that, StoatBringer! Let's call it what it properly is: the biggest fallacious protection of the hypothesis since Robert Scott Anderson.
Who he?

[The_Fire]

[snip]

Well done, Pup and Fire.
Thank you! Always willing to google! ;)

ETA: And oogle, but thats another thing for another occasion and another thread :D

[The_Fire]

I'm quoting all of Fire's posts, just because it will tick off Renee. At least I hope it will.

You know, I can't help but wonder if Renee haven't kindoff misunderstood the entire "ignore" thing. After all, it's not like adding me to it will stop me from posting and other from reading it....

And I don't know where she's from, but around here potatoes aren't exactly dry when you split them....

[Hastur]

Who he?This he (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/HateMail/RSA/)

[Peachy]

Alright, I'll give it one more try.

What color shirt is This Man (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/PeachyKeane77/noshirt.jpg) wearing?

[joller]

Alright, I'll give it one more try.
What color shirt is This Man (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/PeachyKeane77/noshirt.jpg) wearing?
he's not wearing a shirt, he's half naked. His hands are making a sign of the hairy chest colour, both of them. The chest must be very hairy then.

green does not sooth, it bends things that move.
I almost spilt the soft drink reading that sentence.
i need to get rid of the green condoms, don't want it to bend too much.


In the photo, you will see that between his legs are red and his legs are open. The left hand actually is making the sign of blue and the right hand shows the sign of will power.
And you are making ***** up as you go!
So what coulour is will power?


All things that grow down towards the red color inside the earth contain electrons that have their own effect on the health of your body.
Damn, the electrons - what should I eat to avoid them?
I don't want any electrons in my body, especially not the negative ones.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Damn, the electrons - what should I eat to avoid them?
I don't want any electrons in my body, especially not the negative ones.

Apparently its only the red electrons you need to be worried about, the blue electrons are OK.

[Blackwell]

Apparently its only the red electrons you need to be worried about, the blue electrons are OK.

I thought it was just the Red Lectroids you had to watch out for:

http://www.mansfieldstudios.com/images/bb_043RedLectroids.jpg

[Kimpatsu]

This he (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/HateMail/RSA/)
Thank 'ee.

[Mendeli]

How in the world this this thread go 6 pages without a recipe?

I have no idea, this is unbearable, must correct this!

Google, I choose you!
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=recipe+cheesecakes&spell=1

Hmm, this sounds good, I'm drooling already: First link, then third link:


Chocolate Lover's Cheesecake
1 1/2 cups finely crushed chocolate wafers
6 tablespoons butter, melted
3 8-ounce package cream cheese, softened
1 1/2 cups sugar
2 tablespoons all purpose flour
1/8 teaspoon salt
4 eggs
4 squares (4 ounces) semisweet chocolate, melted
1/4 cup milk
1 teaspoon vanilla
1 square (1 ounce) semisweet chocolate
1 teaspoon butter

For crust, in a bowl combine chocolate wafer crumbs and melted butter.
Press crumb mixture firmly on bottom and 1 3/4 inches up sides of a 9-inch
springform pan.

For filling, in a large mixer bowl beat cream cheese till creamy. Combine
sugar, flour and salt; stir into the cream cheese mixture. Add eggs all
at once. Beat just till combined. DO NOT OVERBEAT. Stir in the 4 squares
melted chocolate, moik and vanilla till combined. Turn into crumb-lined
pan.

Bake in a 325 oven for 60 minutes or till center appears set. Remove from
oven; cool 15 minutes. Loosen sides of pan. Cover and chill at least 2
hours.

In a small saucepan over low heat melt the 1 square semisweet chocolate
and butter. Drizzle in lattice design atop cheesecake. Chill till
chocolate is set. Makes 12 servings.



As for Rene, I guess based on her claims, a test of lie detection would probably be feasible to arrange.

[timokay]

I have no idea, this is unbearable, must correct this!

Google, I choose you!
http://www.google.fi/search?hl=fi&q=recipe+cheesecakes&spell=1

Hmm, this sounds good, I'm drooling already: First link, then third link:

As for Rene, I guess based on her claims, a test of lie detection would probably be feasible to arrange.

I thank you for this.
btw, I am wearing green tommorrow, and most likely that means I will be making hand motions from my waist to my mouth (repeatedly), and most likley giving the finger to many people late at night.
But it is due to my shirt. Right.

Happy St. Paddy Day.

[themyst]

Alright, I'll give it one more try.

What color shirt is This Man wearing?

It has to be pink, please say it is so ....... pretty please

[Renee Rynn]

Well I am back from the emotional week of putting my mother to rest with the rest of the family. I do not know if a person lives on after death but I like to think that the energy of our minds do. I cannot prove that though, that is for someone else to do.
Chillzero, that was so interesting to read about myself like that. You will notice however, that I have just repeated the same thing, over and over again. To converse over the internet has given me a window into people's minds and shows me the ability of people to understand something new that has never been explored before, not in our historic knowledge anyway.
One thing I would like to mention is that I have never asked for money or given psychic readings, phew, I do not have a gift for that.
I do have an uncanny ability to interprete dreams though and can read numerology in the same way that you can read a book. I have not asked to be paid for my knowledge or advice up to this date. Renee

[Renee Rynn]

On the google site I found the hand drawings that I Was looking for. Uncanny hey, is that psychic or not?

IN those drawings you can see the two different signs that the hand makes on blue and red and indeed, the second print shows all the hand signs and their corresponding colors that they are formed from.
The print with just the two hand signs of red and blue show the two hand signs that can be found on the Mayan buildings.
I was delighted to see them and find that in their pictographs, they also have my other hand signs on their pictures. They were very knowledgeable people. The hand print of red shows their own view of red, they show their open fingered hand looking as if it is on fire.
They have eyes on the two hands the blue eye is looking UP and the two red eyes look down. You can look at them if you like, they are there on google for everyone to look at. Renee

[Montsegur]

[QUOTE=Renee Rynn;1529591]On the google site I found the hand drawings that I Was looking for. Uncanny hey, is that psychic or not?

err if you are psychic why would you need google?

[Ririon]

Well, I googled, and actually found some useful information about colors and hand signals. At least it is useful in not-so-nice areas of American cities or when watching rap videos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Signals

[joller]

On the google site I found the hand drawings that I Was looking for. Uncanny hey, is that psychic or not?

Being able to find stuff on google doesn't qualify for psychic.

You still haven't answered this question:
Alright, I'll give it one more try.

What color shirt is This Man (http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/PeachyKeane77/noshirt.jpg) wearing?

[themyst]

(I repeat my earlier post)

Renee Rynn, if I am wearing white and in a white room and someone shows me a colour, could you, while watching a black and white video of the process, tell me what colour I am seeing/touching?

If so, please take up the challenge.

All we want is to see you attempt and maybe even succeed. We don't really care about why you think such happens, or how you learnt/got this ability.

When you accept the challenge and win the $1m, I will spend all the time you want listening to you, till then ......

[Pup]

I have not asked to be paid for my knowledge or advice up to this date.

So this was some other Renee Rynn charging two bucks for six minutes on "The Difference Between the SPIRIT and the SOUL"?

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:5qv8JDgl81sJ:www.getkeen.com/memberpub/homepage.asp%3Fuser%3DRenee%2BRynn+%22Renee+Rynn%2 2&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7

[Simon Bridge]

I got it - let's use the original suggestion from Renee ... we have a subject, wearing all white in an all white room. The subject is then subject to different colors of light and photographed in black-and-white. The photo is shown to renee, who determines what color was originally shining at the time.

The photo could be colour, loaded to a computer, then viewed through a black and white monitor, so trickery is harder.



Another possibility is to place renee in a totally white room bathed in light from a sodium street lamp (two colors, both orange). Renee is presented with a set of coloured cards and is set the task of identifying the colours correctly.


So Renee: do either of these sound like something you could do?

Note: convince set thinkers of anything, you must start with simple things. It is easier to persuade someone of simple stuff than to ask them to get the whole picture and way of thinking in one go.

It is also important to work out how the skeptics are likely to try to "explain away" this new thinking in order to be able to point out why it (the debunking) ain't so. It helps to standardise your language too - instead of requiring the set thinkers to use language in the way you prefer, try to come into their way of talking. i.e. "The body uses different colors" is a meaningless statement to the people you are talking to. The though processes involved are too different. Communication is not possible.

The bottom line is: do you want the million dollars?

[Simon Bridge]

joller: What color shirt is This Man wearing?

Black with a motorhead logo :)

[Renee Rynn]

Themyst, is that short for the MYSTIC?
Are you not able to see the colors on your own pictures?
How can you be a mystic then?

[Renee Rynn]

Pup, I tried to find that article but could not get it. I would like to read it.
As I repeat, I have NEVER received to date any money for my information.
Mind you, I would like to, that is why I am here, thinking of the best way to present my information whenever the challenge comes on line again.

[eri]

Themyst was suggesting a test protocal for YOU, Renee. Is that a test you could pass?

Can you tell what color shirt the man has on in joller's picture?

As far as we all know, the challenge is still up and running - it's not being handled by Kramer any more, but Jeff Wagg said that he's going through applications, so you're welcome to apply. Do you plan to?

[The_Fire]

Pup, I tried to find that article but could not get it. I would like to read it.
As I repeat, I have NEVER received to date any money for my information.
Mind you, I would like to, that is why I am here, thinking of the best way to present my information whenever the challenge comes on line again.

Probably because noone wanted to pay.

I am also VERY interested in the answer to Jollers little test......

[Renee Rynn]

Monsegur I was referring to the fact that I was looking for the place that I had put the hand signs on the computer and wham, someone else found it for me. Himmm, that seems psychic to me, darn right uncanny any way.

[The_Fire]

Monsegur I was referring to the fact that I was looking for the place that I had put the hand signs on the computer and wham, someone else found it for me. Himmm, that seems psychic to me, darn right uncanny any way.

The word "Coincidence" does come to mind.
Now, Ryan, Do You Intend To Take The Challenge?

[Renee Rynn]

Simon Bridge, orange colors confuse the mind.

[Kimpatsu]

Colour me bad, but I see red when Renee is such a greenhorn she can't see what's right in front of her. She views everything in black and white, rather than the rainbow it really is, and (if you'll forgive the purple prose), it really is making me blue...

[Renee Rynn]

eri, a critical thinker does not point and laugh, that is mindless actions.
A critical thinker is serious and applies deep thought and concentration to keep logical and focused on the issue.

[The_Fire]

Simon Bridge, orange colors confuse the mind.
In that case a 3400 kelvin theatrical/video lamp filtered with a full CTB filtering or a 5400 kelvin degree lamp with no filtering should do the trick as that would be a bluish/white light and according to Renee dearest blue is a calm color.
This, coincidentially, is also the colour of outdoor light on a skyfree day which clashes with Renees claim that the light of the sun is red.

In case of an actual test being done, the first solution can be obtained from the nearest television station while the second is special order. Alternatively a 3200 kelvin degree lamp can be used and mostlikely will be available from the local theater or a photografer.

[Renee Rynn]

Kimpatsu, you have the idea allright, colors DO affect the emotions and thought. Now you need to learn the correct way colors manipulate the body and mind, without being swayed by fairy tales and ramblings of old.

[The_Fire]

eri, a critical thinker does not point and laugh, that is mindless actions.
A critical thinker is serious and applies deep thought and concentration to keep logical and focused on the issue.

Nope. A critical thinker knows when someone else is trying to pull the wool over their eyes and have no qualms in pointing out the glaring obvious lack of evidence and utilizes what ever means needed to get the message across. And ridicule is a timehonoured traditional tool in this.

[Renee Rynn]

Does the Fire not know that I am a woman?
She seems to have an affection for me and cannot stop talking about herself in regard to me and when ever I say anything. She is bored with life and keeps talking about her boobs, she needs a Man I think. Anybody here live near her?