Please help!! Being smoked out! Does a cigasrette contain a given amount of....

[Iamme]

...naked ladies? :)

...cigarette smoke in one, regardless if it is deeply inhaled and puffed out into the air every single second, or if you set one in an ashtray and just let it burn?

It be nice to know this because I am breathing in clouds of expelled cigarette smoke in a small unventilated apartment.

[Lamuella]

well, there will be some difference between the smoke that has passed through a person's lungs and the smoke that has not, just as there is some difference between the air that has passed through a person's lungs and the air that has not

[wollery]

If they're your cigarettes then either quit smoking or stop whinging.

If they're someone else's cigarettes then tell them to stop, or kick them out, or you leave the apartment.







Iamme - one more neuron and he'd qualify for a synapse!

[Roadtoad]

In this business I'm in, we say, "He's a lugnut short."

[Amapola]

In this business I'm in, we say, "He's a lugnut short."

I thought it was "All 4 tires are actually off the road". :D

[Roadtoad]

Well, and there's "He's a couple of bricks short of a load."

Not to mention, "Cylinder head's cracked..."

[Unnamed]

...cigarette smoke in one, regardless if it is deeply inhaled and puffed out into the air every single second, or if you set one in an ashtray and just let it burn?
If you inhale, you provide more oxygen to the fire. In other situations, this would lead to a cleaner burn, with less unburnt residue and less carbon monoxide.

I can't say this applies to cigarettes, though. It's probably irrelevant. But it's a valid question.

[Mojo]

For once, Iamme has asked a reasonably valid question (albeit one that he could have answered himself with a little Googling: try looking for "side smoke" or "side stream smoke"). It is certainly suggested that smoke coming directly from a cigarette ("side-stream smoke") may be more damaging than smoke inhaled by a smoker ("main-stream smoke"): The surprising fact is that side-stream smoke has higher concentrations of noxious compounds than the main-stream smoke inhaled by the smoker. Some studies show there is twice as much tar and nicotine in side-stream smoke compared to main-stream smoke, as well as three times as much of a compound called 3-4 Benzopyrine, which is suspected to be a cancer causing agent. There is also 10 times as much carbon monoxide that robs the blood of oxygen and 50 times as much ammonia in second-hand smoke.

(Source (http://www.sa.psu.edu/uhs/healthinformation/patientlibrary/health/secondhandsmoke.cfm))

See also http://www.webmd.com/content/article/25/3606_1496

I second Wollery's advice.

[tkingdoll]

We like to say 'two sandwiches short of a picnic' but that's not appropriate in this case because picnics are enjoyable.


Unless you get ants.

[Mojo]

We like to say 'two sandwiches short of a picnic'... Apart from John Major (who tended to get things not quite right), who used the phrase "one apple short of a picnic".

[Mashuna]

I used to know a very eccentric maths teacher. We used to say he was two equations short of a proof.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
Photographic memory, with the lensecap still on.

[tkingdoll]

Apart from John Major (who tended to get things not quite right), who used the phrase "one apple short of a picnic".

Actually, when I said "we" like to say, I was referring to me and John Major exclusively. He and I are often grouped together as sources for platitudes and random quotes.

[3point14]

The wheel is turning, but the hamster is dead.
Photographic memory, with the lensecap still on.

i've been dying to use '(s)he'd fail a Turing Test' But I haven't found the right opportunity yet.

[UrsulaV]

I always liked "a coupla fries short of a Happy Meal," myself.

Being in the South, however, I am compelled by law to include the phrase "bless 'is heart" or "God love 'im," which must be inserted into all derogatory sentences, thereby sanitizing them, i.e. "Bob? Bless 'is heart, he's dumber 'n a sack of wet mice."

[Mojo]

i've been dying to use '(s)he'd fail a Turing Test' But I haven't found the right opportunity yet.You never encountered Kumar, did you? ;)

[Hellbound]

"Cuts with the dull edge of the knife"
"Has trouble with doors"
"Not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree"
"Few cards short of a full deck"
"Playing with a deck full of Jokers"


Had a first sergeant in the Army that had some funny ones, but can't remember many now.

[Roadtoad]

Trying to use a screwdriver on a nut.

Slinky's kinked.

He's flooded it.

He's smoked his load straps once too often.

Check his piss test. I think he's been drinking from the side tanks.

[Iamme]

If they're your cigarettes then either quit smoking or stop whinging.

If they're someone else's cigarettes then tell them to stop, or kick them out, or you leave the apartment.







Iamme - one more neuron and he'd qualify for a synapse!

I'll take a peppermint synapse, if you would. :)

It's my friend's apartment. I gave up smoking 21 years ago in hopes to live and breathe up until the end, without coughing or gasping for breath. Sometimes friends come over and they also smoke and the smoke just hovers in the air. I use his computer in the kitchen and this smoke wafts by me, and the air currents are such that it WOULD have to come my way, instead of going the other way, dadgum it. Even if I open the back door and front door, the vacuum created in the alcove area of where the computer is causes smoke to get drawn into my area.

But regarding the VOLUME of the smoke: When you see a cigarette in an ashtray, just burning...yes, it can appear thick, but it is like a stream that goes straight up and doesn't appear all that volumous. But when someone takes a puff and exhales it, I swear that MANY cubic feet of smoke comes billowing out per each puff. And I don't know if tobacco makes the same amount of smoke once it is lit, irregardless of whether it is being puffed or not. Maybe it just seems like it's more. But i need to read on and see if someone knows the answer.

[Zep]

A kangaroo loose in the top paddock.
The lights are on but no-one's home.
Hasn't got all his/her oars in the water.
Only nineteen bob in the pound. (UKians will get that...)

[Iamme]

For once, Iamme has asked a reasonably valid question (albeit one that he could have answered himself with a little Googling: try looking for "side smoke" or "side stream smoke"). It is certainly suggested that smoke coming directly from a cigarette ("side-stream smoke") may be more damaging than smoke inhaled by a smoker ("main-stream smoke"):

See also http://www.webmd.com/content/article/25/3606_1496

I second Wollery's advice.

Tell me now, Mojo,...do you go to the computer to Google everything? Wouldn't you rather engage in dialogue and help create subject matter and then see if other people might actually know some of this stuff without Googling for it all?

I find it interesting to find out from our various members here, who are the ones that are really up on certain topics. With some posters, you can tell if they are really knowledgable on certain subjects. Some posters here just so happen to have expertise in given areas.

[Jeff Corey]

I like to check stuff before I reply. I might misremember things, so I check in various references - text books, online journals, whatever. I like to find and post links to solid sites.
For example, a while back a poster we'll call Inane Idiot kept on insisting that humans had only 5 senses. The links that we posted showed that he or she was dead wrong. It didn't change I I's "mind", but provided information that others could profit from.
By the way, how's all them randy coeds up in Eau Claire this spring?

[Roadtoad]

If Mojo chose to Google to make sure you had accurate information, I'd be honored rather than offended.

My earlier descriptions, therefore, stand.

[wollery]

But regarding the VOLUME of the smoke: When you see a cigarette in an ashtray, just burning...yes, it can appear thick, but it is like a stream that goes straight up and doesn't appear all that volumous. But when someone takes a puff and exhales it, I swear that MANY cubic feet of smoke comes billowing out per each puff. And I don't know if tobacco makes the same amount of smoke once it is lit, irregardless of whether it is being puffed or not. Maybe it just seems like it's more. But i need to read on and see if someone knows the answer.Okay, Iamme, you have now actually asked a sensible question. (Now there's a sentence I never thought I'd post!)

The smoke that comes from a cigarette consists of gases and extremely small particles of tobacco soot. The amount of smoke produced is dependent only on the amount of tobacco burnt. This means that the total amount of smoke produced by any cigarettes containing the same amount of tobacco must be the same.

When a cigarette is sitting in an ashtray the smoke will rise straight up at a fairly constant rate and, assuming you are indoors with very little draft, will not be disturbed as it rises and disperses. When someone takes a drag on a cigarette they cause it to burn faster, thus taking in smoke at a faster rate and therefore more than would have been produced by the cigarette burning by itself over the same time period. The majority of this smoke is then exhaled in a fast moving stream which which meets relatively still air causing turbulence, which spreads the smoke out. Therefore, when someone exhales cigarette smoke you have relatively more smoke, undergoing more turbulence than you woul from a cigarette sitting in an ashtray.

As I said at the top, the total amount of smoke from the cigarettes will be almost identical.

At least, that's what I think!:con2:

[Iamme]

I like to check stuff before I reply. I might misremember things, so I check in various references - text books, online journals, whatever. I like to find and post links to solid sites.
For example, a while back a poster we'll call Inane Idiot kept on insisting that humans had only 5 senses. The links that we posted showed that he or she was dead wrong. It didn't change I I's "mind", but provided information that others could profit from.
By the way, how's all them randy coeds up in Eau Claire this spring?

You mean we have more than 5 senses?

Regarding your last sentence; um...well, unfortunately they upped and left me for places like Cancun, or the Bahamas, or Florida's Panama City, (for spring break) and left me by my lonesome, only to view their empty shower stalls when I had to do work in their vacant apartments. :)

[Iamme]

So then, wollery,

To the best of your knowledge then...if the cigarette just sits there and burns, this will create the same amount of smokle as one that is huffed and puffed on?

But do you think if one just sat there and burned, that if would fill up the entire living from with smoke?...or do you think it might more likely just stratify somewhere , if the air was relatively calm and people were just sitting there watching tv without getting up and moving about?

But, if people DID get up and move, or wave magazines in the air or whatever...do you think then that this smoke, that obviously would now move about, be the same type of foggy smoke that would cause a smoky fog everywhere in the room or apartment, as what would happen when these people are huffing and puffing away?

[Iamme]

"Cuts with the dull edge of the knife"
"Has trouble with doors"
"Not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree"
"Few cards short of a full deck"
"Playing with a deck full of Jokers"


Had a first sergeant in the Army that had some funny ones, but can't remember many now.

A coincidence: "has trouble with doors" applies! My car doors are ready to fall off and I am climbing over the front seat head rest into the back seat to get in and out of my car right now. Both front door bottom hinges de-welded.

[Ausmerican]

A mind like a steel trap - rusty and lost in the woods.

[Hellbound]

Couldn't rub two neurons together to spark an idea.
He's the one warning labels are written for.
Can beat a rock two out of three games of chess.
Doesn't have bats in the belfrey, he's got pink elephants.

[sinclairmcevoy]

...naked ladies? :)

...cigarette smoke in one, regardless if it is deeply inhaled and puffed out into the air every single second, or if you set one in an ashtray and just let it burn?

It be nice to know this because I am breathing in clouds of expelled cigarette smoke in a small unventilated apartment.
One of my brothers was told to quit smoking by his doctor. He has never smoked. Both parents did. You should not put up with someone else's smoke. Tell them to smoke outside, or find somewhere else to live. I smoke, outside, and I can't stand to be inside a smoky room. Others shouldn't have to be exposed to our filthy habits.

[wollery]

One of my brothers was told to quit smoking by his doctor. He has never smoked. Both parents did. You should not put up with someone else's smoke. Tell them to smoke outside, or find somewhere else to live. I smoke, outside, and I can't stand to be inside a smoky room. Others shouldn't have to be exposed to our filthy habits.You should read the whole thread. Iamme posted that this is his friend's place, he goes there to use his friend's computer.

If you ask me, going to someone else's house to use their computer is fair enough if they don't mind, but to then complain about the smoke, well that's chutzpah!

[De_Bunk]

Well...

Just as i was about to use the new board feature of not seeing threads and posts by ignored posters...

I was surprised to see IAMME posting a reasonable question...

There is hope for them yet...


It's an average, mildly intelligent question...worthy of a response..


DB

[Beany]

The smoke that comes from a cigarette consists of gases and extremely small particles of tobacco soot. The amount of smoke produced is dependent only on the amount of tobacco burnt. This means that the total amount of smoke produced by any cigarettes containing the same amount of tobacco must be the same.

If the cigarette has a filter, the smoke exhaled by the smoker will have passed through this, and presumably a sizeable proportion of the soot will end up here.

So I'd guess that an unsmoked cigarette would produce more smoke than a smoked one...

Subjectively, I seem to remember that smoke from the tip also looks rather different to exhaled smoke- one appears blue/grey, the other is browner... can't remember which way round it is, though.

[Mojo]

Tell me now, Mojo,...do you go to the computer to Google everything? Wouldn't you rather engage in dialogue and help create subject matter and then see if other people might actually know some of this stuff without Googling for it all?

I find it interesting to find out from our various members here, who are the ones that are really up on certain topics. With some posters, you can tell if they are really knowledgable on certain subjects. Some posters here just so happen to have expertise in given areas.I did know something about it; in particular, I knew that the type of smoke you were asking about is often referred to as side-smoke, or side-stream smoke. That was why I suggested those particular search terms to you. If you didn't know that those are the terms often used, it would be much more difficult to find the information.

There has been a lot of discussion of this sort of thing recently (what with our government deciding to ban smoking in enclosed public areas) so I have recently read quite a lot of stuff about this, and I was already aware of some of the suggestions about the relative properties of main- and side-stream smoke. I Googled to check my facts.

While there may be someone on the forum who is an expert on the properties of cigarette smoke, it's a fairly specialised area of research. If you prefer no information at all to the answer of someone who, while he doesn't consider himself an expert on the specifics of the subject at hand, has a basic knowledge of chemistry and has recently read a certain amount about the subject, well, fair enough.

Just don't hold your breath waiting for an answer to your next question.

[sinclairmcevoy]

You should read the whole thread. Iamme posted that this is his friend's place, he goes there to use his friend's computer.

If you ask me, going to someone else's house to use their computer is fair enough if they don't mind, but to then complain about the smoke, well that's chutzpah!
Oops. You're right. He should put up or shut up.

[wollery]

If the cigarette has a filter, the smoke exhaled by the smoker will have passed through this, and presumably a sizeable proportion of the soot will end up here.

So I'd guess that an unsmoked cigarette would produce more smoke than a smoked one...

Subjectively, I seem to remember that smoke from the tip also looks rather different to exhaled smoke- one appears blue/grey, the other is browner... can't remember which way round it is, though.Good point, I hadn't considered the filter. I wonder if anyone's done any research on the difference between the masses of filters in puffed and unpuffed cigarettes......