My experience at loose change

[RandFan]

I just wanted to note that I had a pretty good day over there. I think there are some reasonable people. There are some jerks but then there are some here also.

I'm not fond of the ham fisted rhetoric and the appeal to simply follow my instinct but overall it was fine.

And I made my displeasure known about Chipmunk's treatment. I don't know what response I'll get if I continue there. I'm not sure if I have the time.

Who knows.

[Shrinker]

You should check the forum again. The moderator is telling you to change your mind or the thread goes in the bin...

Randman, soon you may be relegated to 'that other forum' again.

No offense but you are either a slow learner of you have no intention of learning the truth. I believe it's the latter.

I'll be moving the this thread there momentarily.

They only seem to welcome non-believers because they think they can convert them within a day.

[Shrinker]

No wait, he's cooled off. Looks like you got an extension.

[Manny]

What's the deal with JFK's post in this thread (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1523) at Apr 1 2006, 04:48 AM (at least that's the time displayed to me). Darksaga,
I am glad that my tax dollars are supporting THIS corporation..... NOT ! ninja.gif

I can see that they waste my money by having their employees use their computing resources on forums such as this one.....in the manner which they do. angry.gif

Roxdog, I think that we must be making some waves. Perhaps we should make some more by contacting this employer and having its IT department start checking logs......... Much better than banning IMHO. wink.gif

It looks to me like one of the admins is threatening to expose one of the posters IRL based on an IP address. But that can't be right, can it?

[The_Fire]

Wouldn't that violate some sort of privacy issue?

[chipmunk stew]

Wouldn't that violate some sort of privacy issue?Not only that, but considering their consensus opinion of delphi's appeal to professor Judy Wood's boss, it's yet another example of hypocrisy.

[chipmunk stew]

RandFan,

I commend you on your handling of the Why WTC7? (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1595) thread. Your success with avoiding common rhetorical pitfalls is enviable.

I've fallen into many of them myself over there.

I'm not going to engage in much more discussion there myself until I've looked at some of the things they suggested, because they tend to use my not having looked at them as a reason to dismiss anything I have to say.

[bob_kark]

I'm not going to engage in much more discussion there myself until I've looked at some of the things they suggested, because they tend to use my not having looked at them as a reason to dismiss anything I have to say.

LC isn't that bad as far as entertainment is concerned. I had fun creating a list of BS. Some of the claims made are laugh out loud funny.

[hellaeon]

You guys have a lot of patience going there.

[RandFan]

I'm not sure how much I can tolerate. I get tired of people getting pissy because you refuse to drink their kool aide.

Hey Chipmunk, I think I'm in the same boat. I've already been asked a couple of times to do my "homework". So, is Loose Change on line or do I have to go to a theatre? I thought there would be a FAQ explaining it but I didn't see it. I didn't try too hard though.

[Sultanist]

Holy Mackeral. Talk about true believers. It's apparent from reading that thread how deep they are into this cult.

But I'll have to admit, the collapse of WTC 7 is an oddity.
Probably the only other coincidence of equal significance is the Bush/Securacom connection.

[Silly Green Monkey]

WTC 7 was no mystery or coincidence. It had been struck by falling debris and was on fire.

[delphi_ote]

I'm not sure how much I can tolerate. I get tired of people getting pissy because you refuse to drink their kool aide.
Roxdog and Zor are especially tiring. The fact that TheQuest drops in every once in a while to cheerlead them and make threats is just pathetic. I get the feeling they've all been picked on a lot in real life.

So posting seems to me like an exercise in futility. Few of them are willing to sit down and go over the facts. What valid points are made by anyone are swamped by complete stupidity.

I admire what chipmunk has been doing, but I just don't have the time and energy to back you up. I only make posts over there when I know there's nothing more productive to do with my time. It's just enough to bump the relevant threads often enough that someone doubting the cult might stumble across the JREF.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I'm not sure how much I can tolerate. I get tired of people getting pissy because you refuse to drink their kool aide.

Hey Chipmunk, I think I'm in the same boat. I've already been asked a couple of times to do my "homework". So, is Loose Change on line or do I have to go to a theatre? I thought there would be a FAQ explaining it but I didn't see it. I didn't try too hard though.

It's out on either video.google.com or youtube.com, I can't remember which.

[delphi_ote]

Google video. I'm not linking it.

[RandFan]

They pulled the plug in only the second day. :mad:

They are cowards!

[Sultanist]

WTC 7 was no mystery or coincidence. It had been struck by falling debris and was on fire.Well there's no evidence to suggest otherwise, I agree.
And "coincidence" is maybe an inappropriate descriptive. But exactly why it collapsed is still somewhat of a mystery.
I presume that's why SEAoNY (Structural Engineers Association of New York) is still investigating and is due to release a report on the collapse of 7.

A "coincidence" would be more on the order of the President's brother, Marvin Bush, being a director in the company, Securacom, which provided security services for the World Trade Center, United Airlines and Dulles airport. And the President's cousin, Wirt Walker, being associated with this as well.

Recognizing that there is such a thing as "coincidence" does not require one to relinquish one's "skeptics card". :)

Much of the reason the "9-11 Truth Movement" was born is because so much attention is given to these rare events of such notoriety. Same as with the Kennedy assassination. Same as with the Moon Landings. Same as with the death of Elvis.
Whenever thousands of "investigators" put every conceivable aspect of something of this size and scope under a microscope, many coincidences will be revealed. It goes with the territory and it's to be expected. If there were no coincidences then it really would be a mystery. :)

[kookbreaker]

A "coincidence" would be more on the order of the President's brother, Marvin Bush, being a director in the company, Securacom, which provided security services for the World Trade Center, United Airlines and Dulles airport. And the President's cousin, Wirt Walker, being associated with this as well.

Recognizing that there is such a thing as "coincidence" does not require one to relinquish one's "skeptics card". :)


Yeah, but when the Marvin's inolvement with the company, and the company's involvement with the WTC was minimal by 9/11, it pretty much becomes a case of six degrees of seperation:

http://www.911myths.com/html/stratesec.html

[delphi_ote]

They pulled the plug in only the second day. :mad:

They are cowards!
Somehow, I've managed to stay under the radar...

[delphi_ote]

My new approach is to treat them all like kindergarteners.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/Aprender.JPG/180px-Aprender.JPG

ETA They are very big babies, but an image of that size wasn't necessary! Sorry, Dragon!

[Dragon]

err - d_o, you do know how big that image is don't you?

[conspiracybeliever]

I'm not going to engage in much more discussion there myself until I've looked at some of the things they suggested, because they tend to use my not having looked at them as a reason to dismiss anything I have to say.
Sounds like a good idea.

[delphi_ote]

Sounds like a good idea.
Yes. Genuine research of opposing ideas. Maybe you guys should try it.

[conspiracybeliever]

Why try when it's already been done? I can't believe there isn't one person willing to meet Roxdog's challenge....:shocked:

[valis]

Recognizing that there is such a thing as "coincidence" does not require one to relinquish one's "skeptics card". :)



This brings to mind my foggy memory of the skeptical JFK assination book, Case Closed.

I remember it mentioned that within minutes of Pres. Kennedy being shot that every law enforcment officer in Dallas flooded the area and questioned everyone. They had FBI, local police, Secret Service etc. Imagine if that level of scrutiny was given to every criminal event. What if a crackhead sticking up the local 7-11 resulted in the area around the store being locked down and flooded with every law enforcment person avaliable. What coincedences would be found? How many conflicting stories could be found? How many people would misinterpret what they saw or greatly exagerate it? How many people would fabricate stories out of whole cloth just to get in on the action? I think when this much detail is gathered there is going to be plenty of noise. Some people fixate on the bits of noise and fit elebarate stories to the noise instead of looking at the larger facts.

[Bronze Dog]

This brings to mind my foggy memory of the skeptical JFK assination book, Case Closed.

I remember it mentioned that within minutes of Pres. Kennedy being shot that every law enforcment officer in Dallas flooded the area and questioned everyone. They had FBI, local police, Secret Service etc. Imagine if that level of scrutiny was given to every criminal event. What if a crackhead sticking up the local 7-11 resulted in the area around the store being locked down and flooded with every law enforcment person avaliable. What coincedences would be found? How many conflicting stories could be found? How many people would misinterpret what they saw or greatly exagerate it? How many people would fabricate stories out of whole cloth just to get in on the action? I think when this much detail is gathered there is going to be plenty of noise. Some people fixate on the bits of noise and fit elebarate stories to the noise instead of looking at the larger facts.
Excellent point.

[bob_kark]

Why try when it's already been done? I can't believe there isn't one person willing to meet Roxdog's challenge....:shocked:

Perhaps because the information you're relying on is not credible or factual?

[FramerDave]

Maybe I'm just being way too simple here, but they seem to be making much of the owner's comment about "pulling it."

Is there a possibility, any possibility at all, that he either said "pull OUT" and it wasn't clear in the recording, or that he MEANT to say "pull out" and in the stress of the moment he said "pull it" instead?

Nah, I guess that's far too easy and rational. Yup, it's just gotta be a huge conspiracy. Yeah, that's it.

[conspiracybeliever]

Why would the fire department commander need permission from Silverstein to quit putting a fire out? Where did Silverstein receive this call? How do you explain all the bombs heard going off in WTC7 by rescue workers prior to it's collapse? How do steel box columns telescope down on themselves?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Why would the fire department commander need permission from Silverstein to quit putting a fire out? Where did Silverstein receive this call? How do you explain all the bombs heard going off in WTC7 by rescue workers prior to it's collapse? How do steel box columns telescope down on themselves?

Neutral site references to the mentioned items?

[kookbreaker]

Why would the fire department commander need permission from Silverstein to quit putting a fire out?


Heh. Do you think any Fire Chief is going to fight a fire in a high rise office building without consulting the owner? Grow up.


Where did Silverstein receive this call?


Who cares.


How do you explain all the bombs heard going off in WTC7 by rescue workers prior to it's collapse?


How do you explain the complete lack of such explosions on the films of WTC. Either visual or audible.


How do steel box columns telescope down on themselves?

How does an empty soda can collapse under your heel?

[Trifikas]

Just an idea, but I'm guessing that the boxes would "Telescope" down on each other because of a lack of lateral force being applied.

[delphi_ote]

Why try when it's already been done? I can't believe there isn't one person willing to meet Roxdog's challenge....:shocked:
If that's all you've come over here to discuss, maybe you could limit the number of threads you derail with it to one?

Or a better idea: stat your own thread!

[The_Fire]

ETA: whoops, moving this to the correct thread....