(Merged Thread) Nostradamus Prophecies - USA/Where is my MILLION DOLLARS?

[drmabus]

Century VIII, Quatrain 66 (édition de 1568)


Quand l'escriture D.M.trouuee,
Et caue antique à lampe descouuerte,
Loy, Roy,& Prince Vlpian esprouuee,
Pauillon Royne & Duc sous la couuerte.


When the inscription D.M. is found
in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp.
Law, the King and Prince Ulpian tried,
the Queen and Duke in the pavilion under cover.


The D.M. stands for Depeche Mode.....


youtube.com/watch?v=kTcT3Y9PBew&search=enjoy%20the%20silence


The word TRAGEDY literally means "GOAT SONG". tragis oide: "goat
song"; perhaps the derivation of the word "tragedy" (were goats
awarded as prizes? does this refer to the ritualistic slaughter of the
sacrificial animal? the scream that the goat makes when slaughtered?)


NOTICE HOW BUSH IS READING ABOUT A GOAT ****EXACTLY**** AS THE WTC
BURNS.....

thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm

[drmabus]

Add www for the links......

[H'ethetheth]

Errr, what?

[drmabus]

Nostradamus - USA

The truth about Nostradamus
Considering all the lies that were spread about Nostradamus following
9/11 it is necessary to reveal what he actually wrote....


X.72.... Here is an example of a "perfect match prophecy," with date
and
event WHILE revealing the AGE of CIVILIZATION. Not the Stone Age or the
Bronze Age but the SPACE AGE.


NOSTRADAMUS REVEALS THE AGE OF CIVILIZATION IN THE YEAR 1999
(SPACE AGE).


What Britannica says about the SPACE AGE, "...Post 1945.. It justifies
the
description of this period, however, as that of "space age technology."


Subject: THE ACTUAL 1999 PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS - X, 72


1) What relevant social-historical material can you
find in the quatrain
X.72?


Only the last line relates the quatrain to the *entire
world* and refers to
*particular* level of global social and historical
development. Advanced
technological civilization has created the means to
travel many millions of
miles through space.


Show me something in the quatrain that reveals the
type of world we lived in
during 1999?


The quatrain deals with the all-embracing nature of
technology and science
in human affairs and their destructive and repressive
use. It refers to a
specific stage of human technological and scientific
development, a phase of
human civilization called the "SPACE AGE."


Is there something unique in that quatrain which links
it to 1999 and is
found during no other time in human history?


Spaceships have been sent to Mars for quite a while.
BUT IN *ONE* YEAR
(1999) *TWO* SPACESHIPS WERE DESTROYED *ON* MARS.
(i.e., The year
1999....BEFORE AND AFTER MARS REIGNS WITH GOOD
FORTUNE). That is a world
historical novelty.


Other interpretations cannot point to objective
*concrete reality* and just
assume that the prophecy contains no social-historical
*BACKGROUND*.
Indeed, it would be no prophecy if it could not point
to the concrete world
we actually live in.


Century X. Quatrain 72


L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy deffraieur
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois.
*Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.*


THE ACTUAL X.72 PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS:


Century X, Quatrain 72


The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of Angolmois,
*BEFORE AND AFTER MARS TO REIGN WITH GOOD FORTUNE.*

SEE DOUBLE?


DATE: 1999. PLACE: MARS.


BEFORE AND AFTER = X 2.


THE FIRST PART OF THE PROPHECY IS CLEAR ENOUGH AND DOES NOT
REQUIRE
*INTERPRETATION*.


THE THIRD LINE SHOWS THAT PROFOUND *MYSTERY* SURROUNDS THE
ENTIRE UNIVERSE.
HUMAN REASON ONLY TOUCHES THE VERY SURFACE
OF REALITY. THE TRUE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE CAN NEVER BE
UNDERSTOOD OR
CONTROLLED BY THE MIND. IN OTHER WORDS, THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY
SEEM...


HENCE THE LAST LINE...


THE FINAL LINE OF THE PROPHECY IS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE *TWO*
SPACESHIPS ON MARS IN *1999*.


YOU "MISSED" THE CRITICAL 1999 PROPHECY THAT DEALS WITH THE VERY
LIMITS OF
HUMAN TECHNOLOGICAL AND SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR
ULTIMATE AND
CATASTROPHIC FAILURE!


COINCIDENCE? YOU BE THE JUDGE....


channel4000.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-990923-122128.html


Scientists Say It Broke Up Before It Reached Mars


PASADENA, Calif. Posted 10:05 a.m.
SEPTEMBER 23, 1999 -- A $125 million
spacecraft designed to be NASA's first
interplanetary weather satellite was presumed
lost on Mars Thursday after it failed to regain
contact with Earth following a critical engine
firing to place it in orbit around the red
planet.


A preliminary analysis shows that Mars Climate
Orbiter made too close an approach to the
planet and likely broke into pieces or burned
up in
the atmosphere, said
operations project manager Richard Cook of NASA's
Jet
Propulsion
Laboratory (JPL).


channel2000.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-19991205-021219.html


PASADENA, Posted 9:12 p.m. EST DECEMBER 4, 1999
--
For a
second day Saturday, NASA scientists anxiously
waited
for a signal from
the still-silent Mars Polar Lander, a craft
critics
say may have been in
trouble even before it left the launch pad 11
months
ago.


Weeks before the $165 million craft
began its descent towards the Red
Planet, questions were being raised
about the mission and whether it might
be doomed by tight budgets and
understaffing.


Attempts to detect signals from the
spacecraft were to continue with a
transmission window opening Saturday
night. It has not been heard from since Friday,
when
it began its fiery
descent toward Mars.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-
----
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?


This quatrain reveals the style and hidden essence of the prophecies.


THE ACTUAL WTC PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS - II, 89:


THE CROSS OF DESTRUCTION:


CENTURY II, QUATRAIN 89


Vn iour seront demis les deux grands maistres,
Leur grand pouuoir se verra augmenté:
La terre neuue sera en ses hauts estres,
Au sanguinaire le nombre racompté.


One day the two great masters will be halved,
Their great power will be seen increased:
The new land will be at its high peak,
To the Bloody One the number recounted.


*SEE DOUBLE?*


New Land = America (SEE X,66)


The Bloody One = Antichrist (SEE X, 66)


Time of prophecy: One day.


Two great masters halved: 2 skyscrapers of WTC and 2 aircraft. Also
symbolic
of TECHNOLOGY and CAPITALISM concretely embodied by the *planes* and
*towers*.


Place of destruction: The high peak of the
"New Land."


Mode of destruction: Number recounted = x2.


The American Antichrist of X,66 and the
"King of Terror" of X,72 is the "BLOODY ONE."


See how X.72 provides the starting DATE (1999) and how X.66 provides
the
PLACE (AMERICA) for the destructive revelations of the Antichrist (THE
BLOODY ONE)? See how each quatrain is linked together?


SEA OF SIN:


Century X, Quatrain 49


Iardin du monde aupres de cité neufue,


Dans le chemin des montaignes cauees:


Sera saisi & plongé dans la Cuve,


Beuuant par force eaux soulphre enuenimees.


Garden of the world near the new city,


In the path of the HOLLOW MOUNTAINS:


It will be seized and plunged into the Tub,


Forced to drink waters poisoned by sulfur.


"Jardin du monde" = Garden of Eden or


"Hanging Gardens of Babylon," which are


both located in Iraq.


"Cite neufue" = New York City.


(i.e., Iraq near New York City).


Which implies that Iraq is somehow


involved in the September 11 attacks. The


"hollow mountains" links time, place, and


action of the prophecy. The "hollow


mountains" is Nostradamus' description


of the two skyscrapers of the WTC.


"In the path of the hollow mountains"


means what comes after the WTC


destruction.


Seized and plunged in the "Cuue"


(i.e., in Renaissance French, a fermentation


cauldron used for mixing chemicals,


poisons, etc) is a reference to the seizures


and drowning effects of a


chemical/biological attack and/or modern day plague and/or modern dat
flood (tsunami?).


Notice "Cuue" is capitalized in the original quatrain


(SEE ABOVE) to show that this is the most


important element in the quatrain.


The poisoning of the water mentioned here


is of an entirely different nature, as boiling


the water or bottled water--if it were meant


literally--could eliminate the poison.


But this poisoning is far more serious as it


cannot be avoided (i.e., forced to drink).


The drowning effects of pulmonary


anthrax or some other chemical/biological


poison is implied.


Sulfur is a symbolic reference to brimstone


(i.e., The Wrath of God). Water is the way


God destroys man during the "Flood."


Century X, Quatrain 66


Le chef de Londres par regne l'Americh,
L'isle d'Escosse t'empiera par gelée :
Roy Rebauront un si faux Antechrist,
Que les mettra trestous dans la meslée.


The chief of London through the realm of AMERICA,
The Isle of Scotland will be tried by frost:
King Reb will face an Antichrist so false,
That he will place them in the conflict all together.


There are only "two" quatrains that mention the
Antichrist specifically (X,66 & VIII,77).
There is only "one" specific reference to America
found in the quatrains (X,66).


The Antichrist's main target of destruction is
"America" (i.e., he will exercise his destructive
power through the realm of America).

[AnotherSillyAlias]

HENCE THE LAST LINE...


THE FINAL LINE OF THE PROPHECY IS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE *TWO*
SPACESHIPS ON MARS IN *1999*.


YOU "MISSED" THE CRITICAL 1999 PROPHECY THAT DEALS WITH THE VERY
LIMITS OF
HUMAN TECHNOLOGICAL AND SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR
ULTIMATE AND
CATASTROPHIC FAILURE!




I particularly liked the parts where you shout at us, although the triple line spaced bits were good too.

[drmabus]

run.to/nostradamus

[AnotherSillyAlias]

run.to/nostradamus

Sage advice indeed!

[drmabus]

Understand?

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Understand?

I'm glad you asked that.

[Jon.]

[Bob Dylan]
And someone says "You're in the wrong place, my friend/You better leave"
[/Bob Dylan]

[HeyLeroy]

Find this book and read it, (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0879758309/103-9058191-2157467?v=glance&n=283155) drmabus.

The year that the brothers of the lily come of age
The principal players in the affair are hidden away
After victory pardon to the captives
Meanest assistance against their frontier


From here. (http://www.getodd.com/stuf/nostradamus.html)

[Joe Random]

<Pinto>
Could I buy some pot from you?
</Pinto>

[HeyLeroy]

<Pinto>
Could I buy some pot from you?
</Pinto>
:big:

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So, I see there is no length limit on posts.

[drmabus]

Find this book and read it,[/URL] drmabus.

[I]The year that the brothers of the lily come of age
The principal players in the affair are hidden away
After victory pardon to the captives
Meanest assistance against their frontier



I have read it. Doubt it will be read 500 years from now, though......

[AnotherSillyAlias]

So, I see there is no length limit on posts.

There also appears to be no minimum requirement for sanity either.

[drmabus]

There also appears to be no minimum requirement for sanity either.


If you look closely enough, you'll see what I mean by the "DOUBLE"......

[HeyLeroy]

I have read it. Doubt it will be read 500 years from now, though......

And why is that? What did you get from it?

Just asking because of your name, you don't happen to be the third antichrist, are you? Cuz I could forward you my resume, if you're looking for minions.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

If you look closely enough, you'll see what I mean by the "DOUBLE"......

Would an electron microscope help?

[drmabus]

And why is that? What did you get from it?

Just asking because of your name, you don't happen to be the third antichrist, are you? Cuz I could forward you my resume, if you're looking for minions.

As for the 3rd Antichrist, I want to point you to another video by Depeche Mode. Some of these seem so Ironic.....


youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QDmcIoyx8&search=halo%20depeche%20mode

[AnotherSillyAlias]

As for the 3rd Antichrist, I want to point you to another video by Depeche Mode. Some of these seem so Ironic.....


youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QDmcIoyx8&search=halo%20depeche%20mode

I think I'd better get the extra large popcorn and a cold beer before watching that one.

[HeyLeroy]

Beijing's most famous dish, Peking Duck is traditionally served with Mandarin pancakes, and green onions for brushing on the hoisin sauce.

INGREDIENTS:

One 5 to 6 pound duck
8 cups water
1 slice ginger
1 scallion, cut into halves
3 tablespoons honey
1 tablespoon white vinegar
1 tablespoon sherry
1 1/2 tablespoons cornstarch, dissolved in 3 tablespoons water
Scallions for garnish
PREPARATION:

Clean duck. Wipe dry and tie string around neck.
Hang duck in cool, windy place 4 hours.
Fill large wok with water. Bring to boil. Add ginger, scallion, honey, vinegar, and sherry. Bring to boil. Pour in dissolved cornstarch. Stir constantly.
Place duck in large strainer above larger bowl. Scoop boiling mixture all over duck for about 10 minutes.
Hang duck again in cool, windy place for 6 hours until thoroughly dry.
Place duck breast side up on a greased rack in oven preheated to 350 degrees. Set a pan filled with 2 inches of water in bottom of oven.
(This is for drippings). Roast 30 minutes.
Turn duck and roast 30 minutes more. Turn breast side up again. Roast 10 minutes more.
Use sharp knife to cut off crispy skin. Serve meat and skin immediately on a prewarmed dish.
The duck is eaten hot with hoisin sauce rolled in Mandarin Crepes. Garnish with scallion flowerets. Serves 4 to 6.

[Blackwell]

YEAAA!!! Kilik's back!

[AnotherSillyAlias]

YEAAA!!! Kilik's back!

No, not enough completely unrelated to anything pictures. Kilik would need to show you a picture of some obscure mountain to prove his claims.

[Blackwell]

No, not enough completely unrelated to anything pictures. Kilik would need to show you a picture of some obscure mountain to prove his claims.

Bah, that's just because he hasn't hit his 15 post minimum. You just wait!

[Nitedawg]

Ok Drmabus just when I though no one could be more obscure than Nostradamus here you come and shatter my convictions.

Since your hero and salvation, you know the one we are supposed to run to, does not always seem to be helpful with his predictions I will offer you one that is absolutely sure to be accurate and correct.

The days will pass and the many will suffer,
the powerful one earning glory but also hated by many,
the skies will darken and some will be afraid,
proof will be in the eyes of the beholder.

:eye-poppi
Ignore this at your own peril.

You have been warned!

[drmabus]

[QUOTE=Nitedawg;1466344]Ok Drmabus just when I though no one could be more obscure than Nostradamus here you come and shatter my convictions.
I

Indeed, it just comes to show that THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY SEEM......

[Doubt]

I have read it. Doubt it will be read 500 years from now, though......

Well, you got that part right. I won't be around to read it 500 years from now!

[jj]

Quatrain 0:0
I will write down lots of psychedelic vague things.
The people will twist and weave,
They will make of my vagueness a whole
A whole made of nothing, and meaning less.

[HeyLeroy]

I have read it. Doubt it will be read 500 years from now, though......

What problems, specifically, do you have with THE MASK OF NOSTRADAMUS?
I think Mr. Randi pretty much showed Nostradamus to be a good doctor but a really terrible prognosticator, and anyone who attempts to bend his words to suit some 'prophecy' a fraud.

Care to discuss? Or just spew? I've got lots of recipes....

[Gr8wight]

Somebody should tell that Nostradamus guy that his limericks are all a line short.

[HeyLeroy]

Somebody should tell that Nostradamus guy that his limericks are all a line short.
And not very funny.

At five and forty degrees, the sky will burn
Will cause the towers around the New City to shake
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees
Famine, fire, blood, plague, all evils doubled

The year that the brothers of the lily come of age
From the sky will come a great King of Terror
It will be seized and plunged into the Vat
Late and soon comes the awaited help



Nostradamus or Nostra-dumbass, people? Real or fake?

[drmabus]

[/I]

Nostradamus or Nostra-dumbass, people? Real or fake?[/QUOTE]


And you expect to "discuss" when you have already prejudged the issue and will not be swayed in slightest no matter how powerful the evidence? Under these conditions, discussion is an utter waste of time......

[HeyLeroy]

[/I]

Nostradamus or Nostra-dumbass, people? Real or fake?


And you expect to "discuss" when you have already prejudged the issue and will not be swayed in slightest no matter how powerful the evidence? Under these conditions, discussion is an utter waste of time......
I'll entertain your evidence. Just show some.

[drmabus]

You people speak as if you have to cut people down to size, purge them, expose their tricks....A modern day inquisition......You want people to speak like YOU, be like YOU, think like YOU, and communicate in a language understandable by YOU.....but......

[HeyLeroy]

You people speak as if you have to cut people down to size, purge them, expose their tricks....A modern day inquisition......You want people to speak like YOU, be like YOU, think like YOU, and communicate in a language understandable by YOU.....but......
Actually, we're probably one of the more diverse forums on the web.


Now, what was wrong with MASK OF NOSTRADAMUS, and what evidence do you have of Nostradamus' prophecies being true?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You people speak as if you have to cut people down to size, purge them, expose their tricks....A modern day inquisition......You want people to speak like YOU, be like YOU, think like YOU, and communicate in a language understandable by YOU.....but......

One of the advantages that the scientific process has over other methodologies is that the theories that have recieved provisional agreement in the scientific community can be, and have been, revised or refuted over time. However, in order to partake in the process of forwarding a hypothesis or theory is that one must follow the scientific method.

Edit for clarification: a proviso of the scientific process is that, if a theory has been given provisional agreement, the burden of proof is on those that are proponents of a different theory.

[LTC8K6]

You people speak as if you have to cut people down to size, purge them, expose their tricks....A modern day inquisition......You want people to speak like YOU, be like YOU, think like YOU, and communicate in a language understandable by YOU.....but......

When they come around with the same old worn out, thousand times debunked, nostradamus junk, what's the point in rehashing it? They should be cut off at the knees immediately for not doing their own research.

[LostAngeles]

You know, I think this definitely ties in with www.timecube.com ! And www.alexchiu.com

[drmabus]

Actually, we're probably one of the more diverse forums on the web.


Now, what was wrong with MASK OF NOSTRADAMUS, and what evidence do you have of Nostradamus' prophecies being true?



Have you visited the links I have posted? Have you read what I wrote? Have you tried to UNDERSTAND what I said? Put simply, either Nostradamus is right or Randi is right, not both. And I have set out here to prove that Nostradamus was able to see unique and significant events in the future, especially for the modern age (i.e., SPACE AGE, WTC DISASTER, THE COMING PLAGUE, etc) all which would show that Randi's book is a lie......

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Century VIII, Quatrain 66 (édition de 1568)


Quand l'escriture D.M.trouuee,
Et caue antique à lampe descouuerte,
Loy, Roy,& Prince Vlpian esprouuee,
Pauillon Royne & Duc sous la couuerte.


When the inscription D.M. is found
in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp.
Law, the King and Prince Ulpian tried,
the Queen and Duke in the pavilion under cover.


The D.M. stands for Depeche Mode.....


youtube.com/watch?v=kTcT3Y9PBew&search=enjoy%20the%20silence


The word TRAGEDY literally means "GOAT SONG". tragis oide: "goat
song"; perhaps the derivation of the word "tragedy" (were goats
awarded as prizes? does this refer to the ritualistic slaughter of the
sacrificial animal? the scream that the goat makes when slaughtered?)


NOTICE HOW BUSH IS READING ABOUT A GOAT ****EXACTLY**** AS THE WTC
BURNS.....

thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm

The answer is "yes", assuming all participants are fully clothed.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Understand?

I'm Henry the 8th I am.
henry the 8th I am, I am.
I did something something with the woman next door, she's something something, there were 7 Henrys before me.

etc...etc...etc...

I've been drinking...

[HeyLeroy]

Have you visited the links I have posted? Have you read what I wrote? Have you tried to UNDERSTAND what I said? Put simply, either Nostradamus is right or Randi is right, not both. And I have set out here to prove that Nostradamus was able to see unique and significant events in the future, especially for the modern age (i.e., SPACE AGE, WTC DISASTER, THE COMING PLAGUE, etc) all which would show that Randi's book is a lie......

I still don't see it. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but his original quatrains are sufficiently vague as to allow soooo many different interpretations that it boggles the mind.

If he foresaw the band Depeche Mode with enough clarity to even give their initials, how did he miss with Hister? Oh, right, that was the Danube river, right?

[Quinn]

And you expect to "discuss" when you have already prejudged the issue and will not be swayed in slightest no matter how powerful the evidence?

I believe the term you want is evidences...

[Ersby]

As any fool knows, the quatrains usually quoted re WTC are in fact about the Three Mile Island incident. Duh!

[Tirdun]

Wait. Wait.
:confused: I'm confused :confused:

The Depeche Mode thing is totally throwing me off. Is this guy serious??

Here's your quatrain further translated.:

When you find DM engraved in a cave using a lamp,
Vague incomplete sentence fragments about royals cowering and a famous Roman lawyer will be mentioned.

[DeVega]

I'm with Tirdun... that is, confused.
Are you really saying that Nostradamus prophesied an 80's electronic pop band?

Really, really...

I had heard that DM had some rather obsessively keen fans but...

BTW, DM are also MY initials - so, here I am! Tada!
Oh, and another DM from the 80s - DANGERMOUSE!!!

OR (and I am suspending my disbelief for a nano-second here - see how nice I am!) did you mean 'Depeche Mode' to mean NOT the pop band but something of which we are unaware - and far more meaningful in this context?

Confused... need coffee...

[drfrank]

Century VIII, Quatrain 66 (édition de 1568)
...
When the inscription D.M. is found
in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp.
Law, the King and Prince Ulpian tried,
the Queen and Duke in the pavilion under cover.
...


I'd like to offer a different interpretation, if I may:

My initials are DM (as well as DeVegas), so I personally claim that the quatrain is about me. And here is my evidence...

In my University department we have a Cave, which is a 3D projected environment (`revealed by a lamp'), and I'm currently in discussion to use it for a project. Ulpian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulpian) was in the banquet of the learned, which obviously refers to the world of academia. And just a couple of days ago Prince Harry, related to both the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh visited our Student Union, or `pavilion'.

Pavilion, in the English language (derived from French, "pavillon") can refer to any structure large or small, however there is usually a connection with relaxation and pleasure.

So I'd say that Quatrain matches infinitely better to predicting my life this week than anything about Depeche Mode lol ;)

Of course, maybe the verses are just so vague you can fit more or less anything to them...

So, do I win the award for most convincing subjective interpretation or what?

[brettDbass]

I for one welcome our new 80's New Romantic overlords... :boggled:

[Grounded]

Have you visited the links I have posted? Have you read what I wrote? Have you tried to UNDERSTAND what I said? Put simply, either Nostradamus is right or Randi is right, not both. And I have set out here to prove that Nostradamus was able to see unique and significant events in the future, especially for the modern age (i.e., SPACE AGE, WTC DISASTER, THE COMING PLAGUE, etc) all which would show that Randi's book is a lie......


Simple. Just tell us what will happen next (refer to his text). And when. No one else has been able to do that. It will be documented here for the world to see (and be warned).

It's not as easy as "late binding" to historical events (like Bible Codes and junk).

[Bindamel]

Beijing's most famous dish, Peking Duck is traditionally served with Mandarin pancakes, and green onions for brushing on the hoisin sauce.

INGREDIENTS:

One 5 to 6 pound duck
8 cups water
1 slice ginger
1 scallion, cut into halves
3 tablespoons honey
1 tablespoon white vinegar
1 tablespoon sherry
1 1/2 tablespoons cornstarch, dissolved in 3 tablespoons water
Scallions for garnish
PREPARATION:

Clean duck. Wipe dry and tie string around neck.
Hang duck in cool, windy place 4 hours.
Fill large wok with water. Bring to boil. Add ginger, scallion, honey, vinegar, and sherry. Bring to boil. Pour in dissolved cornstarch. Stir constantly.
Place duck in large strainer above larger bowl. Scoop boiling mixture all over duck for about 10 minutes.
Hang duck again in cool, windy place for 6 hours until thoroughly dry.
Place duck breast side up on a greased rack in oven preheated to 350 degrees. Set a pan filled with 2 inches of water in bottom of oven.
(This is for drippings). Roast 30 minutes.
Turn duck and roast 30 minutes more. Turn breast side up again. Roast 10 minutes more.
Use sharp knife to cut off crispy skin. Serve meat and skin immediately on a prewarmed dish.
The duck is eaten hot with hoisin sauce rolled in Mandarin Crepes. Garnish with scallion flowerets. Serves 4 to 6.


Hey, HeyLeroy?

The duck kinda died while I was working on the step I bolded above. Is it okay to continue with the preparations, or should I start over?

[drmabus]

Simple. Just tell us what will happen next (refer to his text). And when. No one else has been able to do that. It will be documented here for the world to see (and be warned).

It's not as easy as "late binding" to historical events (like Bible Codes and junk).

I do not claim to have that ability, but I do have some insight......

As for what's NEXT......

X.49....IN THE PATH OF THE HOLLOW MOUNTAINS

I always thought it referred to some sort of plague....AVIAN INFLUENZA...Perhaps?

[Tirdun]

For what its worth:

X:49
Garden of the world near the new city,
In the path of the hollow mountains:
It will be grasped/seized and plunged into the [tub/tank/vat],
Drinking by force waters poisoned by sulfur.

[The_Fire]

I always thought that particular quartrain sounded somewhat like it was discussing brewing....

[LTC8K6]

Drmabus, have you ever been to Nacogdoches?

[.13.]

Century X, Quatrain 72

The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of Angolmois,
*BEFORE AND AFTER MARS TO REIGN WITH GOOD FORTUNE.*

SEE DOUBLE?

DATE: 1999. PLACE: MARS.

BEFORE AND AFTER = X 2.

THE FIRST PART OF THE PROPHECY IS CLEAR ENOUGH AND DOES NOT
REQUIRE
*INTERPRETATION*.

THE THIRD LINE SHOWS THAT PROFOUND *MYSTERY* SURROUNDS THE
ENTIRE UNIVERSE.
HUMAN REASON ONLY TOUCHES THE VERY SURFACE
OF REALITY. THE TRUE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE CAN NEVER BE
UNDERSTOOD OR
CONTROLLED BY THE MIND. IN OTHER WORDS, THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY
SEEM...

HENCE THE LAST LINE...

THE FINAL LINE OF THE PROPHECY IS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE *TWO*
SPACESHIPS ON MARS IN *1999*.


I don't mean to nitpick but september wasn't the seventh month of 1999. And the other one lost on december. Besides the prophecy says 'reign with good fortune'. How does that get twisted to destroyed?

And spaceprobes are not specifically mentioned...

[drmabus]

I don't mean to nitpick but september wasn't the seventh month of 1999. And the other one lost on december. Besides the prophecy says 'reign with good fortune'. How does that get twisted to destroyed?

And spaceprobes are not specifically mentioned...

Zeitgeist - SPIRIT OF THE TIMES. Human exploration on other planets. Technological civilization.


........All he is doing here is pointing to the TIME when more important events here on EARTH unfold.....The fate of Martian probes means little if anything, but it is used here for its SYMBOLIC value and a demonstration of SCIENTIFIC ACCURACY......

[Steven Howard]

Zeitgeist - SPIRIT OF THE TIMES. Human exploration on other planets. Technological civilization.

Flag on the moon. A woman's purse. What does it mean?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Consider this drmabus; even if the quatrains accurately predict the future, unless we can translate/interpret them _before_ the events occur, of what use are they?

I suppose JREF could pay the money to Nostradamus' descendents, but if they do that they should apply reverse inflation so it would only be a fraction of its current value.

[casebro]

Was there an epidemic of Ergot poisoning in Nostradamus's time? The Rye fungus that makes LSD...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Was there an epidemic of Ergot poisoning in Nostradamus's time? The Rye fungus that makes LSD...

Ergot poisoning (St. Anthony's Fire, Dancing Mania, etc) were relatively common the the 15th-17th centuries in those areas. That does cover the time when Nostradamus was writing and publishing his quatrains.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

I don't mean to nitpick but september wasn't the seventh month of 1999. And the other one lost on december. Besides the prophecy says 'reign with good fortune'. How does that get twisted to destroyed?

And spaceprobes are not specifically mentioned...

I was going to say something along those lines. Excellent observations.

[Nitedawg]

You people speak as if you have to cut people down to size, purge them, expose their tricks....A modern day inquisition......You want people to speak like YOU, be like YOU, think like YOU, and communicate in a language understandable by YOU.....but......

Ummm ok. You go ahead and keep communicating in a language understandable only to you and see where that gets you with us. I'm sure that this works very well in proving your point to yourself I guess because you are the smartest you that you know. You are the authority on the land of you, I will not dispute that one bit.

Have you tried to UNDERSTAND what I said?

Yes I did TRY but you made about as much sense as a Nostradamus quatrain. That why I was complaining earlier about you being obscure but you made no effort to address that problem.

Try this....List whatever qautrain you think is significant. After you translate it into English, then translate it again from what the English actually says into whatever it is that you think the English really means.

Then, using the English that we in this chatroom understand, explain in complete sentences (not the fragments you were using in your earlier explanations) why you think it means what you say it means, what evidence led you to that conclusion, etc. and then we will have some chance to look at your logic, compare it to other evidence and interpretations, and then maybe we can form an opinion about the validity of your interpretation.

This is how reasonable people form opinions and make decisions. I am sorry if it sounds like I am talking down to you but I have given you a long time to start making some sense. I would very much welcome it, so please begin.

We are not an inquisition be we are inquisitive. As far as exposing tricks...quilty. That is the core nature of the JREF, to expose trickery disguised as truth. We do not all have to believe the same things, but we should try to avoid tricking others or ourselves into believing things that are not true.

Try answering this question, not to me but to yourself Drmabus...Is it possible that you are tricking yourself into believe the writings of Nostradamus are true? Perhaps you think it is a neat idea that he could predict the future and you are eager to believe it? Be brutely honest with yourself.

And answer this question for me please. What good is a prediction about the future that no one can recognize until the future has become the past? What kind of super powers do I have in order to do that?

People will often quote one passage from Nostradamus as accounting for 4, 5, or 6 diffferent predicitons that take place hundreds of miles and hundred of years apart. A prediction that can mean anything at all really means nothing at all, right?

[Spektator]

I know the origin of drmabus' screen name, but every time I see it, I misread it as a rude word beginning dumba--. I'm not dyslexic, so maybe it's just the lower-case letters.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I know the origin of drmabus' screen name, but every time I see it, I misread it as a rude word beginning dumba--. I'm not dyslexic, so maybe it's just the lower-case letters.

You're not the only one. I'm guessing the screen name is supposed to be Dr Mabus, with Mabus being mentioned in Nostradamus' in C2,Q62(?)

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Yes, Mabus is allegedly the name of the anti-christ. It has been associated with Napoleon,Hitler, Stalin, Ayatollah Khomeni, Saddam Hussein....etc. etc. etc.


See how close those names are to Mabus? Nostradamus was right on!

[Jimbo07]

What good is a prediction about the future that no one can recognize until the future has become the past?


For those who are genuinely interested in bankable predictions and clairvoyant advice:


Heed carefully the wisdom of the Arrogant Worms



George Washington was the president
But now he's dead (dead)
Mackenzie King was Prime Minister
But now he's dead (dead)
So don't go into politics
You'll end up dead
Don't go into politics
You'll end up dead
Offenheimer built the bomb
But now he's dead (dead)
Einstien was very very smart
But not enough not to be dead (dead)
So don't go into science
You'll end up dead
Don't go into science
You'll end up dead
And don't go into politics
You'll end up dead
Don't go into politics
You'll end up dead
Jimi Hendrix, Janice Joplin, Brian Jones, Keith Moone,
Jim Morrison, Roy Orbison,
John Lennen, Bob Marley, Leonard Bernstien, Elvis Presley
Well, we're not too sure about Elvis
But I think you get the point
Don't go into music
You'll end up dead
Don't go into music
You'll end up dead
And don't go into science
You'll end up dead
Don't go into politics
You'll end up dead
Break it down
You'll be burned, you'll be fried
You'll be buried alive
And there's no hope thinkin'
That you're gonna survive
'Cause there's the drowning and choking
And cancer from smoking
And smothered while sleeping
And blood will start seeping
So I have found, you'll end up in the ground
And you'll be dead
So I have found, you'll end up in the ground
I wish there was an option instead
But you'll be dead
Dead
Maybe with a bullet in your head
But you'll be dead
Dead
Very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very dead


:p

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Hey! They stole that from Poe!(1) ;)


(1) The Conqueror Worm

[brodski]

Have you visited the links I have posted? Have you read what I wrote? Have you tried to UNDERSTAND what I said? Put simply, either Nostradamus is right or Randi is right, not both. And I have set out here to prove that Nostradamus was able to see unique and significant events in the future, especially for the modern age (i.e., SPACE AGE, WTC DISASTER, THE COMING PLAGUE, etc) all which would show that Randi's book is a lie......
When you need to quote Depeche Mode in order to make an argument, you've lost already.
Tell me, did Nostradamus predict New Order as well? Is "blue Monday" prophetic? Is there a Quatrain dealing with the tragic demise of the Hacienda?

[Jimbo07]

Arkan, I loved your post! (1) My enthusiasm is evident, as can be shown. (2)

(1) because I am amused by footnotes which are almost as long, or longer than the original footnoted passage.
(2) with: :D

[HeyLeroy]

I do not claim to have that ability, but I do have some insight......

As for what's NEXT......

X.49....IN THE PATH OF THE HOLLOW MOUNTAINS

I always thought it referred to some sort of plague....AVIAN INFLUENZA...Perhaps?

Or it could be a reference to Pam Anderson's implant removals...

[RichardR]

I have set out here to prove that Nostradamus was able to see unique and significant events in the future, especially for the modern age (i.e., SPACE AGE, WTC DISASTER, THE COMING PLAGUE, etc) all which would show that Randi's book is a lie...... Yes, but you failed.

You have shown some vague quatrains that could mean a lot of things. Post hoc, they could be applied vaguely to some events that happened. So what?

DM probably stands for Dis Manibus (http://www.roman-britain.org/latin.htm) – a Roman equivalent of RIP – common on many Roman tombstones. Big deal.

Randi, OTOH, researched the many predictions Nostradamus made for people during his lifetime. Included were some very rosy predictions for Catherine de Medici, the Queen of France, who wanted to know the fate of her children. He correctly said they would all be kings, but neglected to say that was because they would all die young, leaving no descendants. In fact, Nostradamus specifically predicted that Catherine’s son Charles, who would become Charles IX, would “live as long as (Milord Conetable), who (shall see his) ninetieth year”. Unfortunately, Conetable died three years later aged 77, and Charles IX died at age 24. Randi examines many other specific prophesies drawn up for people of the day, and finds that Nostradamus’ predictions, where they can be checked, were almost always wrong. It’s a telling indictment on his supposed ability to predict affairs even further in the future.

Randi goes on to debunk ten of the more popular interpretations, including (not) predicting Hitler, (not) predicting the fire of London, (not) predicting the death by jousting of Henry II of France, (not) predicting the Montgolfier balloons, and (not) predicting Napoleon.

Now your turn. You tell us exactly what is wrong with Randi’s take-down of Nostradamus and his so-called “predictions”.

[Nyarlathotep]

You people speak as if you have to cut people down to size, purge them, expose their tricks....A modern day inquisition......You want people to speak like YOU, be like YOU, think like YOU, and communicate in a language understandable by YOU.....but......


Woo-woo to English translation: "Waaah! the skeptics called me on my gibberish! They're just like the Inquisition! Waaah!"

[Hawk one]

Nyarl: That reminds me of a very old thread I think I want to dig up...

[HeyLeroy]

Hey, HeyLeroy?

The duck kinda died while I was working on the step I bolded above. Is it okay to continue with the preparations, or should I start over?

No need, jus PM WanderinWTF with your situation. If he can use his mental powers (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1466797&postcount=154) to kill Fowlsound, turn him into a turtle, then resurrect back into a human, he should be able to do wonders with your duck.

[Nitedawg]

You guys are too funny:)

Jimbo loved your posting.

I think DM is actually an anagram for HL and what he really meant was Huey Lewis.

Do you get the double meaning of Huey??? Obviously refers to the helicopters used in Viet Nam while at the same time refering to the fall in ticket sales for Disney animations after the Viet Nam war.

The Lewis refers to Sherri Lewis who died in modern times thus leaving us a serious deficency in lamb shaped sock puppets at the very time we needed them to replace the Disney animations.

Nostradamus is spooky man...just spooky.

[drmabus]

Critical thinkers? More like One-Dimensional thinkers, unable to distinguish between appearance and essence, completely subjugated by the power of existing society, deriving their views of the world and their mode of behaviour from existing practices and modes of thought. You try to debunk any ideas that threaten your closed universe of thought, an empty universe without aim and design......

[drmabus]

Trying to bribe the supernatural with a million bucks to reveal itself....That is what I would call DANGEROUS BUSINESS.....

[RichardR]

Critical thinkers? More like One-Dimensional thinkers, unable to distinguish between appearance and essence, completely subjugated by the power of existing society, deriving their views of the world and their mode of behaviour from existing practices and modes of thought. You try to debunk any ideas that threaten your closed universe of thought, an empty universe without aim and design...... This is just a fallacious appeal to be open minded (http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/10/the_appeal_to_b.html) – the standard woo smoke screen to hide the complete lack of any rational reason for us to accept what you are telling us.

An open mind is open to all ideas, but it must be open to the possibility that the idea could be true or false. It is not closed-minded to reject claims that make no sense. If you can’t accept the possibility that Nostradamus’ “predictions” might be meaningless, then you are the closed minded one. You are the One-Dimensional thinker, unable to distinguish between appearance and essence, completely subjugated by the power of existing society, deriving your views of the world and your mode of behavior from existing practices and modes of thought. You think you have debunked Randi’s book that threatens your closed universe of thought, a universe that you need to imagine has magical aim and design to prevent it being empty to you...... but you have in fact offered no reason to suppose anything Randi wrote is wrong.

Answer my question: You tell us exactly what is wrong with Randi’s take-down of Nostradamus and his so-called “predictions” – or go away.

[Hawk one]

Trying to bribe the supernatural with a million bucks to reveal itself....That is what I would call DANGEROUS BUSINESS.....

Why is Randi's challenge dangerous business?

[HeyLeroy]

Drmabus, I feel this needs to be said.

First, you gallop in on your high horse, posting a long list of translations of Nostradamus' writings, and some very feeble 'interpretations', and then you get indignant

Understand?
You people speak as if you have to cut people down to size, purge them, expose their tricks....A modern day inquisition......You want people to speak like YOU, be like YOU, think like YOU, and communicate in a language understandable by YOU.....but......

when you're met with a litlle bit of derision.

Do you realize where you've posted?

This is a forum mainly for skeptics. You were met with mostly skeptical, and some smart-assed, responses.

And you expect to "discuss" when you have already prejudged the issue and will not be swayed in slightest no matter how powerful the evidence? Under these conditions, discussion is an utter waste of time......


For the sake of argument, I will concede that there is a very, very slight possibility that Nostradamus possessed the ability to see the future and that 'Hollow Mountains' might possibly refer to skyscrapers. BUT I attach to that the immense caveat that this would fly in the face of everything we know about science, and indeed, the possibility of this being true is slimmer than Calista Flockhart after two months on Atkins.

In return I ask that you entertain the possibility that Nostradamus was simply a bad poet, and that the 'hollow mountains' COULD POSSIBLY refer to volcanoes, caves, or even Pam Anderson's breast implant removal. Hey, you said he predicted Depeche Mode, right?

*Concede this point, and you admit to being arrogant previously. Don't concede it, and you are being intellectualy fraudulent.*

Have you visited the links I have posted? Have you read what I wrote? Have you tried to UNDERSTAND what I said? Put simply, either Nostradamus is right or Randi is right, not both. And I have set out here to prove that Nostradamus was able to see unique and significant events in the future, especially for the modern age (i.e., SPACE AGE, WTC DISASTER, THE COMING PLAGUE, etc) all which would show that Randi's book is a lie......

You are, after all, on the James Randi Educational Foundation Forum. What were you expecting us all to do, genuflect before your immense wisdom?
I personally think it's kinda low of you, suggesting Mr. Randi is a liar, when he's recuperating in hospital and not able to respond to your remarks.

If you feel that we are not treating your ramblings with the respect you feel you deserve, I humbly suggest you post them on a forum where the Gullibility-Rationality Ratio (GRRtm) is a little more in your favour.

Thank-you.

(Edited to add paragraph in asterisks)

[Orphia Nay]

I think DM is actually an anagram for HL and what he really meant was Huey Lewis.

Do you get the double meaning of Huey??? Obviously refers to the helicopters used in Viet Nam while at the same time refering to the fall in ticket sales for Disney animations after the Viet Nam war.

The Lewis refers to Sherri Lewis who died in modern times thus leaving us a serious deficency in lamb shaped sock puppets at the very time we needed them to replace the Disney animations.

Nostradamus is spooky man...just spooky.

Now here we have a true interpretation of Nosty. It's logical, and leads to a self-evident conclusion: Sherri Lewis died, Christ-like, as a sacrifice, so that a new generation of sock puppets could proliferate and warn the world of impending dangers.
That none of their interpretations or predictions match doesn't matter - they can all be retrospectively altered to be correct, so therefore, Nosty was a true prophet. Read the Bible - it predicted him - somewhere, so the evidence is indisputable.
:D

[.13.]

Zeitgeist - SPIRIT OF THE TIMES. Human exploration on other planets. Technological civilization.


........All he is doing here is pointing to the TIME when more important events here on EARTH unfold.....The fate of Martian probes means little if anything, but it is used here for its SYMBOLIC value and a demonstration of SCIENTIFIC ACCURACY......

I think I get it. Vague statements has to be twisted to make the prophecy fit past events. Specific and clear statements has to be twisted to make the prophecy fit past events.

[drmabus]

[QUOTE=HeyLeroy;1468892]

I personally think it's kinda low of you, suggesting Mr. Randi is a liar, when he's recuperating in hospital and not able to respond to your remarks.


It's called GROWING OLD....And from Randi's own personal FAQ

" It's not at all a friendly agreement. It's an adversarial arrangement, and because of that, the JREF sees no reason to change the rules for its adversaries. "

I feel EXACTLY THE SAME.....

[RichardR]

It's called GROWING OLD....And from Randi's own personal FAQ

" It's not at all a friendly agreement. It's an adversarial arrangement, and because of that, the JREF sees no reason to change the rules for its adversaries. "

I feel EXACTLY THE SAME..... Still no idea of anything wrong with Randi’s book then?

And no reason we should not think that DM mean Dis Manibus – a common Latin inscription at the time – rather than your rather fanciful interpretation?

This is all you got?

[drmabus]

Since the prophecies deal with specific ACTS OF DESTRUCTION.....I would like to quote his Preface:

"So come, my son, strive to understand what I have found out through my calculations which accord with revealed inspiration, because now the sword of death approaches us, with pestilence and war more horrible than there has ever been - because of three men's work - and famine. And this sword shall smite the earth and return to it often, for the stars confirm this upheaval and it is also written: "I shall punish their injustices with iron rods, and shall strike them with blows."

For God's mercy will be poured forth only for a certain time, my son, until the majority of my prophecies are fulfilled and this fulfillment is complete. Then several times in the course of the doleful tempests the Lord shall say: Therefore I shall crush and destroy and show no mercy; and many other circumstances shall result from floods and continual rain of which I have written more fully in my other prophecies, composed at some length, not in a chronological sequence, in prose, limiting the places and times and exact dates so that future generations will see, while experiencing these inevitable events, how I have listed others in clearer language, so that despite their obscurities these things shall be understood: When the time comes for the removal of ignorance, the matter will be clearer still. "


UNDERSTAND?

[Mrs. Hmmphries]

Oooooh, Time Cube!!!
I loved that one.
Laugh and a half.....at least, after the pounding headache wore off...


*Edit: Crap! That was 2 pages ago. Sorry about that. Carry on.*

[HeyLeroy]

Since the prophecies deal with specific ACTS OF DESTRUCTION.....I would like to quote his Preface:

"So come, my son, strive to understand what I have found out through my calculations which accord with revealed inspiration, because now the sword of death approaches us, with pestilence and war more horrible than there has ever been - because of three men's work - and famine. And this sword shall smite the earth and return to it often, for the stars confirm this upheaval and it is also written: "I shall punish their injustices with iron rods, and shall strike them with blows."

For God's mercy will be poured forth only for a certain time, my son, until the majority of my prophecies are fulfilled and this fulfillment is complete. Then several times in the course of the doleful tempests the Lord shall say: Therefore I shall crush and destroy and show no mercy; and many other circumstances shall result from floods and continual rain of which I have written more fully in my other prophecies, composed at some length, not in a chronological sequence, in prose, limiting the places and times and exact dates so that future generations will see, while experiencing these inevitable events, how I have listed others in clearer language, so that despite their obscurities these things shall be understood: When the time comes for the removal of ignorance, the matter will be clearer still. "


UNDERSTAND?

NO

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Is it kitty pic time yet?

[Babylon Sister]

Is it kitty pic time yet?

Yes. Please. A white one with long hair.

[Bone_Vulture]

Yes. Please. A white one with long hair.

Pandas, beatch! :o

[Nucular]

[out on a limb]
drmabus, you're not Ron Pegg or an associate of his are you?
[/out on a limb]

Regardless, I think you're jumping in too quick. Don't give us Nostradamus' preface with no commentary, give us your preface. Why are you here? Why do you feel a need to champion Nostradamus? What convinced you?

Essentially, what is your point? We're floating here, you're posting lengthy posts that clearly aren't going to be uncritically accepted by anyone here, but you don't seem to like the 'adversarial' approach you yourself espouse.

Please explain. As someone who used to be rather a Nostradamus fan, I'd be interested to actually hear where you're coming from.

[Nitedawg]

I too was a Nostradamus fan. From about age 13 to age 14.

I was a big fan of comic books then too.

[Hindmost]

Find this book and read it,[/url] drmabus.



I have read it. Doubt it will be read 500 years from now, though......

The Mask of Nostradamus

Maybe Randi's book will be read 500 years from now and maybe it won't...however...500 or more years from now, Randi will still be correct and Nostradamus will still be wrong.

glenn

[drmabus]

http://run.to/nostradamus

Century VIII, Quatrain 66 (édition de 1568)


Quand l'escriture D.M.trouuee,
Et caue antique à lampe descouuerte,
Loy, Roy,& Prince Vlpian esprouuee,
Pauillon Royne & Duc sous la couuerte.


When the inscription D.M. is found
in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp.
Law, the King and Prince Ulpian tried,
the Queen and Duke in the pavilion under cover.


The D.M. stands for Depeche Mode.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcT3Y9PBew&search=enjoy%20the%20silence


The word TRAGEDY literally means "GOAT SONG". tragis oide: "goat
song"; perhaps the derivation of the word "tragedy" (were goats
awarded as prizes? does this refer to the ritualistic slaughter of the
sacrificial animal? the scream that the goat makes when slaughtered?)


NOTICE HOW BUSH IS READING ABOUT A GOAT ****EXACTLY**** AS THE WTC
BURNS.....


http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm





Nostradamus - USA

The truth about Nostradamus
Considering all the lies that were spread about Nostradamus following
9/11 it is necessary to reveal what he actually wrote....


X.72.... Here is an example of a "perfect match prophecy," with date
and
event WHILE revealing the AGE of CIVILIZATION. Not the Stone Age or the
Bronze Age but the SPACE AGE.


NOSTRADAMUS REVEALS THE AGE OF CIVILIZATION IN THE YEAR 1999
(SPACE AGE).


What Britannica says about the SPACE AGE, "...Post 1945.. It justifies
the
description of this period, however, as that of "space age technology."


Subject: THE ACTUAL 1999 PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS - X, 72


1) What relevant social-historical material can you
find in the quatrain
X.72?


Only the last line relates the quatrain to the *entire
world* and refers to
*particular* level of global social and historical
development. Advanced
technological civilization has created the means to
travel many millions of
miles through space.


Show me something in the quatrain that reveals the
type of world we lived in
during 1999?


The quatrain deals with the all-embracing nature of
technology and science
in human affairs and their destructive and repressive
use. It refers to a
specific stage of human technological and scientific
development, a phase of
human civilization called the "SPACE AGE."


Is there something unique in that quatrain which links
it to 1999 and is
found during no other time in human history?


Spaceships have been sent to Mars for quite a while.
BUT IN *ONE* YEAR
(1999) *TWO* SPACESHIPS WERE DESTROYED *ON* MARS.
(i.e., The year
1999....BEFORE AND AFTER MARS REIGNS WITH GOOD
FORTUNE). That is a world
historical novelty.


Other interpretations cannot point to objective
*concrete reality* and just
assume that the prophecy contains no social-historical
*BACKGROUND*.
Indeed, it would be no prophecy if it could not point
to the concrete world
we actually live in.


Century X. Quatrain 72


L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy deffraieur
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois.
*Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.*


THE ACTUAL X.72 PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS:


Century X, Quatrain 72


The year 1999, September,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of Angolmois,
*BEFORE AND AFTER MARS TO REIGN WITH GOOD FORTUNE.*

SEE DOUBLE?


DATE: 1999. PLACE: MARS.


BEFORE AND AFTER = X 2.


THE FIRST PART OF THE PROPHECY IS CLEAR ENOUGH AND DOES NOT
REQUIRE
*INTERPRETATION*.


THE THIRD LINE SHOWS THAT PROFOUND *MYSTERY* SURROUNDS THE
ENTIRE UNIVERSE.
HUMAN REASON ONLY TOUCHES THE VERY SURFACE
OF REALITY. THE TRUE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE CAN NEVER BE
UNDERSTOOD OR
CONTROLLED BY THE MIND. IN OTHER WORDS, THINGS ARE NOT AS THEY
SEEM...


HENCE THE LAST LINE...


THE FINAL LINE OF THE PROPHECY IS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE *TWO*
SPACESHIPS ON MARS IN *1999*.


YOU "MISSED" THE CRITICAL 1999 PROPHECY THAT DEALS WITH THE VERY
LIMITS OF
HUMAN TECHNOLOGICAL AND SCIENTIFIC DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR
ULTIMATE AND
CATASTROPHIC FAILURE!


COINCIDENCE? YOU BE THE JUDGE....


http://www.channel4000.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-990923-122128.html


Scientists Say It Broke Up Before It Reached Mars


PASADENA, Calif. Posted 10:05 a.m.
SEPTEMBER 23, 1999 -- A $125 million
spacecraft designed to be NASA's first
interplanetary weather satellite was presumed
lost on Mars Thursday after it failed to regain
contact with Earth following a critical engine
firing to place it in orbit around the red
planet.


A preliminary analysis shows that Mars Climate
Orbiter made too close an approach to the
planet and likely broke into pieces or burned
up in
the atmosphere, said
operations project manager Richard Cook of NASA's
Jet
Propulsion
Laboratory (JPL).


http://www.channel2000.com/sh/news/stories/nat-news-19991205-021219.html


PASADENA, Posted 9:12 p.m. EST DECEMBER 4, 1999
--
For a
second day Saturday, NASA scientists anxiously
waited
for a signal from
the still-silent Mars Polar Lander, a craft
critics
say may have been in
trouble even before it left the launch pad 11
months
ago.


Weeks before the $165 million craft
began its descent towards the Red
Planet, questions were being raised
about the mission and whether it might
be doomed by tight budgets and
understaffing.


Attempts to detect signals from the
spacecraft were to continue with a
transmission window opening Saturday
night. It has not been heard from since Friday,
when
it began its fiery
descent toward Mars.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-
----
Did Nostradamus predict the Sept.11 disaster?


This quatrain reveals the style and hidden essence of the prophecies.


THE ACTUAL WTC PROPHECY BY NOSTRADAMUS - II, 89:


THE CROSS OF DESTRUCTION:


CENTURY II, QUATRAIN 89


Vn iour seront demis les deux grands maistres,
Leur grand pouuoir se verra augmenté:
La terre neuue sera en ses hauts estres,
Au sanguinaire le nombre racompté.


One day the two great masters will be halved,
Their great power will be seen increased:
The new land will be at its high peak,
To the Bloody One the number recounted.


*SEE DOUBLE?*


New Land = America (SEE X,66)


The Bloody One = Antichrist (SEE X, 66)


Time of prophecy: One day.


Two great masters halved: 2 skyscrapers of WTC and 2 aircraft. Also
symbolic
of TECHNOLOGY and CAPITALISM concretely embodied by the *planes* and
*towers*.


Place of destruction: The high peak of the
"New Land."


Mode of destruction: Number recounted = x2.


The American Antichrist of X,66 and the
"King of Terror" of X,72 is the "BLOODY ONE."


See how X.72 provides the starting DATE (1999) and how X.66 provides
the
PLACE (AMERICA) for the destructive revelations of the Antichrist (THE
BLOODY ONE)? See how each quatrain is linked together?


SEA OF SIN:


Century X, Quatrain 49


Iardin du monde aupres de cité neufue,


Dans le chemin des montaignes cauees:


Sera saisi & plongé dans la Cuve,


Beuuant par force eaux soulphre enuenimees.


Garden of the world near the new city,


In the path of the HOLLOW MOUNTAINS:


It will be seized and plunged into the Tub,


Forced to drink waters poisoned by sulfur.


"Jardin du monde" = Garden of Eden or


"Hanging Gardens of Babylon," which are


both located in Iraq.


"Cite neufue" = New York City.


(i.e., Iraq near New York City).


Which implies that Iraq is somehow


involved in the September 11 attacks. The


"hollow mountains" links time, place, and


action of the prophecy. The "hollow


mountains" is Nostradamus' description


of the two skyscrapers of the WTC.


"In the path of the hollow mountains"


means what comes after the WTC


destruction.


Seized and plunged in the "Cuue"


(i.e., in Renaissance French, a fermentation


cauldron used for mixing chemicals,


poisons, etc) is a reference to the seizures


and drowning effects of a


chemical/biological attack and/or modern day plague and/or modern dat
flood (tsunami?).


Notice "Cuue" is capitalized in the original quatrain


(SEE ABOVE) to show that this is the most


important element in the quatrain.


The poisoning of the water mentioned here


is of an entirely different nature, as boiling


the water or bottled water--if it were meant


literally--could eliminate the poison.


But this poisoning is far more serious as it


cannot be avoided (i.e., forced to drink).


The drowning effects of pulmonary


anthrax or some other chemical/biological


poison is implied.


Sulfur is a symbolic reference to brimstone


(i.e., The Wrath of God). Water is the way


God destroys man during the "Flood."


Century X, Quatrain 66


Le chef de Londres par regne l'Americh,
L'isle d'Escosse t'empiera par gelée :
Roy Reb auront un si faux Antechrist,
Que les mettra trestous dans la meslée.


The chief of London through the realm of AMERICA,
The Isle of Scotland will be tried by frost:
King Reb will face an Antichrist so false,
That he will place them in the conflict all together.


There are only "two" quatrains that mention the
Antichrist specifically (X,66 & VIII,77).
There is only "one" specific reference to America
found in the quatrains (X,66).


The Antichrist's main target of destruction is
"America" (i.e., he will exercise his destructive
power through the realm of America).

[Dragon]

Go here (http://www.randi.org/research/index.html), read all the links from that page and see if you've got a testable claim. If you have then I'm sure people on the forum would be glad to discuss it with you - but please note that this is a public forum and not the JREF per se - if you're after the $1,000,000 you need to apply to JREF on the proper form.

[drmabus]

I have proved the claim and now I want my MILLION DOLLARS......

[Dragon]

Wait a minute! I've just realised that all your previous posts were just leading up to April Fools' Day - well you got me fair and square, nice one!

:dl:

[The_Fire]

'Ang on! Haven't we dealt with this one before?!

ETA: Yup! (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=52667)

[drmabus]

Wait a minute! I've just realised that all your previous posts were just leading up to April Fools' Day - well you got me fair and square, nice one!

:dl:


I think you have trouble hearing me....WHERE IS MY MILLION DOLLARS?

[prewitt81]

I'm sorry, but Genghis Khan took your million when he returned in June of 1999. There's a chance you could recover it, though. Mongolia is a big area to cover, but I'd just listen for the distinct sound of a dead 13th century emperor living it up Trump-style.

[brodski]

I think you have trouble hearing me....WHERE IS MY MILLION DOLLARS? wherever you last left it.
Unless of course you are talking about the Randi million, in which case if you don't apply you cant win. Just like phonening up a lottery operator and shouting six numbers at them is unlikely to win you the jackpot, you have to buy the ticket first!

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Wow. This same guy posted on another bulletin board I frequent. And I will say here what I said there:

If this was a contest to write the post that made the absolute least amount of sense, BRAVO! You win.

[JayT]

Where is my MILLION DOLLARS?

The cheque is in the mail !

:)

[Sherman Bay]

I know it's April Fool's Day and all, but I'm having a hard time finding where, in the Challenge, it says, "Compare some astrologer's old, ambiguous ramblings with past events and we'll give you some money."

Must keep looking...

[Zep]

I'm also completely stumped as to where it says on the JREF website or forum: "IF YOU'RE A CERTIFIED, BELL-RINGING, CARD-CARRYING, TUBERCULIN-FREE, BARKING-CRAZY PERSON, PLEASE POST YOUR RAMBLINGS HERE!"

[brodski]

I'm also completely stumped as to where it says on the JREF website or forum: "IF YOU'RE A CERTIFIED, BELL-RINGING, CARD-CARRYING, TUBERCULIN-FREE, BARKING-CRAZY PERSON, PLEASE POST YOUR RAMBLINGS HERE!"
Um, it is kind of in the mission statement. Attracting the deluded is what the Challenge is all about.

[drmabus]

If you look closely enough, you'll see what I mean by the "DOUBLE"......

[Zep]

Um, it is kind of in the mission statement. Attracting the deluded is what the Challenge is all about.Sorry, but I didn't mean the deluded. The deluded ones are potentially quite sane, just uneducated or mislead.

What I mean are those fresh out of Bedlam, the insane, the ravers, that have nothing to be deluded with.

[brodski]

Sorry, but I didn't mean the deluded. The deluded ones are potentially quite sane, just uneducated or mislead.

What I mean are those fresh out of Bedlam, the insane, the ravers, that have nothing to be deluded with.
ah got you, thanks.

[JayT]

Pardon my rant, but ... Je ne pourrais pas résister à la tentation.

I seriously doubt any critical thinker can take Nostradamus seriously in this era.

Prophets and other mystics are an especially annoying burr under my saddle, considering the malignance they are to society.

Why don't so-called prophets ever speak in simple concise terms?

Either they know something or they don't. Did they communicate in such cryptic language when they wrote letters to their friends, went out shopping, etc.?

Why are so many prophesies worded in cryptic mumbo-jumbo that can be twisted, distorted and interpreted in any of myriad ways, as per convenience, to mean whatever some mentally challenged person or devious religious con-man wants them to mean.

If they were REAL prophets, why can't they predict something immediately useful rather than something that will supposedly take place centuries in the future when practically nobody even remembers them?

For example, if an earthquake is to happen in the largest city in Europe on Wednesday, June 9th, 2010, then why not just state the date, event and place in plain terms that anyone can understand - just the way scientists precisely predict the date time and path of a solar eclipse in understandable language that any schoolboy can interpret? Probably, I suspect, because the Biblical mandate was death to the false prophet and it wouldn't take a genius to see a false prophesy if rendered in plain, intelligible, unambiguous language. Would it?

What's the point in writing a prophesy, even if genuine, if nobody can understand what the bloody hell you're even talking about? Why bother? What good is it doing for anyone?

It's the same with many Biblical prophesies as it is with Nostradamus and some others - cryptic, mystical bull ***** with whipped cream and a cherry on top that can have any of 1000 convenient meanings to suit any time and occasion of the hour.

Thus how convenient to use words that are grossly ambiguous in meaning. Then the 'prophet' when confronted can always claim he never said or meant what they think he said, they misunderstood his language, so it wasn't a false prophesy after all. "Whew! That was close! I better be more careful how I word the next one and maybe I should make it for 1000 years in the future, then they can't disprove me at all. That's the ticket!"

And thus how convenient to make the prophesies so distant into the future, that by the time their falsity is proved or it is simply forgotten altogether, the prophet and his peers will be long dead anyway so he can't be held accountable and given his just reward.

There's no worthy need to use idiotic secret codes, weird rhymes, puzzles or poems or any other cryptic gibberish that needs to be decoded by supercomputers and explained by 'experts' to anyone who is basically literate at an elementary school level.

Has even one single prophesy of doom ever saved any lives in the whole of human history of those who believed them and acted on the warning?

Think of all the pastors that led their flocks of simple sheeple into the mountains because of their prophesy that the end of the world was nigh. They had a dream or vision in which God, Jesus, an angel or the ghost of Popeye the Sailor told them to flee into the mountains with their congregation to escape the impending wrath of God for failing to harvest the crops on time or whatever the excuse is this week.

Apparently they knew something even Jesus said that neither he nor the angels in heaven even knew, but only God himself knew that moment and that he would come like a "thief in the night" without warning.

Was any such false prophet ever put to death by his blind, angry, frightened sheeple according to written Biblical mandate because he was proven false when the world did not come to an end? Why not? The Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses had doomsday spasms too often to number.

And isn't foretelling the future or prognosticating or consulting with spirits a Biblical sin punishable by death?

Even Jesus himself made at least one false prophesy. That's all it takes. Game over.

So, apparently at least one false prophet was dealt with accordingly. Not that I'm happy about it, but the law is the law and of course Jesus would never break the written laws of God, would he?

Here's what happens on one of those rare occasions when a 'prophet' does speak in clear terms of a specific event within a given time frame:

At the Sermon on the Mount when Jesus was asked when the end of the world would come, he replied that some of the people of his own generation (about 30ish) standing there listening to him at that very moment would still be alive to see him when he returned in the clouds in heavenly glory. Considering the short life expectancy of that era, he couldn't be speaking of a time that far off in the future.

But that was some 2000 years ago.

Was Jesus a liar or am I expected to believe that is still some 2000 year old person (other than my mother-in-law, a relic of the original big-bang) alive in the world today who was there listening to him on that day and who will remain alive until he returns? I think there's a religious cult based on this belief, unless they died out.

All this hoopla about crime in the streets, disobedient children, rampant political corruption, the moral decay of society due to sin and decadence, were ancient prophesies even in the days of Julius Caesar. Yes, even Caesar complained about the doomsayers of his day too when they made the same old catch-all predictions. He was tired of hearing it all the time. It was as monotonous then as it is now.

Those 'end of the world' conditions have existed consistently since human history began and still exist today - crime in the streets, disobedient children, rampant political corruption, the moral decay of society due to sin and decadence and edible underwear, etc., etc., etc.

Repent ye sinners - the end of the world is near - for the 10,000th time! Maybe this time we'll get lucky.

Has even ONE prophesy in all of human history, written in the Bible, the Quran, by Nostradamus, the Three Stooges or anyone else, been documented beyond doubt to have actually taken place exactly as predicted?

What tangible benefit to the world has ever resulted from any prophesy?

So why do they do it? Were any terrible disasters ever predicted or averted by a timely, specific prophesy?

The same convoluted prophesies of Nostradamus have been used to predict several different events throughout history, since even the 'experts' can't agree on his twisted meanings. Nothing is clear and concise and I suspect it was done that way on purpose.

One can't prove or disprove what one can't even read and interpret with certainty.

How convenient.

Nostradamus, speeka ze Englisch?

Gimme a break!


PS
Isn't it interesting that Nostradamus' prophesies seem to only become 'understood' after the fact rather than before? Or are prophesies supposed to work that way.

Sorry for the long rant, but I couldn't resist the temptation in this case, since it started with a long rant and I would sell my soul for the opportunity to sew Nostradamus' lips together.

Just give me time to put on my asbestos suit.

:)

[William Smith]

You make a couple of good points, JayT.

Drmabus, most people on this forum rely on verifiable data which does not submit itself to any interpretation.
For example: If I predict the outcome of throwing a six-sided dice, I have a 16.67% chance to make a correct prediction. The result of the throw will present itself clearly and unmistakably - as with the answer if my prediction was true.

You may have insights in Nostradamus' work. If you like to share your wisdom with a mostly skeptic audience, you might want to make a prediction yourself. Or, as you have indicated that you do not possess the powers necessary, present us a prediction of Nostradamus himself.

Please define:
Where (e.g.: Los Angeles),
when (e.g.: May 23rd, 12:00 a.m.) and
what (e.g.: snowstorm)
will happen?
Or give us some lotto numbers, football results, or any specific prediction of a future event.

Post it on this forum before your predicted event will occur.

We will greatly value your ability, once you prove it. If you have questions on how to prove your ability, the forum members will assist you with gusto.

[drmabus]

You make a couple of good points, JayT.

Drmabus, most people on this forum rely on verifiable data which does not submit itself to any interpretation.
For example: If I predict the outcome of throwing a six-sided dice, I have a 16.67% chance to make a correct prediction. The result of the throw will present itself clearly and unmistakably - as with the answer if my prediction was true.

You may have insights in Nostradamus' work. If you like to share your wisdom with a mostly skeptic audience, you might want to make a prediction yourself. Or, as you have indicated that you do not possess the powers necessary, present us a prediction of Nostradamus himself.

Please define:
Where (e.g.: Los Angeles),
when (e.g.: May 23rd, 12:00 a.m.) and
what (e.g.: snowstorm)
will happen?
Or give us some lotto numbers, football results, or any specific prediction of a future event.

Post it on this forum before your predicted event will occur.

We will greatly value your ability, once you prove it. If you have questions on how to prove your ability, the forum members will assist you with gusto.


I did not come here to "discuss". I want my MILLION DOLLARS or......

It would be in your best interest to not threaten the JREF in any way, shape or form on this forum if you wish to continue posting here. Please stop.

[The_Fire]

Threats against someone is a criminal act.
Depending on whom you are threatning, the punishing could be dealt with by either normal lawenforcement channels or the homeland security guys. If you see any black 'choppers, its the homeland security guys. In that case, pull down your pants, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
If it's the more "normal" authoroties, I would suggest getting a soap on a string so that you don't drop it in the shower......

[William Smith]

I did not come here to "discuss". I want my MILLION DOLLARS or......

......or what?

[Lamuella]

at a tangent to the thread, I just want to say that Depeche Mode are an excellent band.

In two hours I'll be driving home from work listening to Songs Of Faith And Devotion.

[Lamuella]

......or what?

or he'll hold his breath and stamp his feet until he passes out!

[William Smith]

at a tangent to the thread, I just want to say that Depeche Mode are an excellent band.

In two hours I'll be driving home from work listening to Songs Of Faith And Devotion.

Crank it up: "...no, I'm not looking for absolution, peace of mind after what I've been through. But before you come to any conclusions, try walking in my shoes..."

[William Smith]

I did not come here to "discuss". I want my MILLION DOLLARS or......

......or widdy widdy what?

[Psiload]

......or what?

... or he'll become Randi's own, personal, Jesus.

[Lamuella]

... or he'll become Randi's own, personal, Jesus.

He will deliver.

You know he's a forgiver.

[William Smith]

I enjoy the silence of drmabus.

[The_Fire]

well, he probably feel loved.....

[Hastur]

Things on my chest, I need to confess . . .

Fire, the lyrics are "I will deliver/You know I'm a forgiver."
Blame D.M.'s lack of elocution

Now I'm clean, the cleanest I've been.

[hellaeon]

Trying to bribe the supernatural with a million bucks to reveal itself....That is what I would call DANGEROUS BUSINESS.....

The 'supernatural' expects a higher fee to 'reveal itself' ?

hahahaha Depeche Mode....

[hellaeon]

When the inscription D.M. is found
in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp.
Law, the King and Prince Ulpian tried,
the Queen and Duke in the pavilion under cover.

The D.M. stands for Depeche Mode.....


trust me Drmabus, as an avid music follower, if anything was found in a cave, it was the recordings of the band Beherit! (http://beheritworship.cjb.net/)

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Everyone knows Nostradamus was in fact predicting one of my favorite bands, the Dropkick Murphys.

But then, I'll concede he could have been talking about Dave Matthews. I guess we would have to do some research on what type of music he liked. With all his doom and gloom, I always figured he was more of a heavy metal fan. Either way, I'm just not seeing him as being into Depeche Mode.

[Lamuella]

Blame D.M.'s lack of elocution


LACK OF ELOCUTION?

Dave Gahan is a lot of things. A junkie. A somewhat pretentious fop. However NOBODY could accuse him of not speaking/singing clearly.

[Hastur]

He sings clearly, but "Personal Jesus" does have parts where he speeds through the lyrics and it's difficult to understand what he is saying.

[Ririon]

Sorry I'm late. Did Nostradamus find Dr. MAS in a cave or something? :confused:

And Depeche Mode? Personal Jesus is a great song. I love Johnny Cash's version of it on American IV: The Man Comes Around. The title track of that album seems to be a reinterpretation of some prophetic Bible passages. Coincidence? What do I know. But if you look closely, you will see the meaning behind all this... Or not. :)

[ChristineR]

I once found an old book in a library that went through all the prophecies of Nostradamus, each and everyone, and showed that they were all events in World War II. The arguments were every bit as convincing, and they were at least coherent.

[NiallM]

Quatrain 1585 (Known as the " IS BS" quatrain)

Et l'araignée est educée,
Dans la cour de l'archimage,
Les farceurs, leurre par l'or,
S'encroyeront leurs propres japes.

Et tandis que le sorcier se couche,
L'antichrist montrera son vers faux,
Les acolytes dissèquent le médecin,
Et les chambres fortes demeurent verrouillés.

It translates thus:

When the spider has all learning, (Could this be the web?)
Where the archmagus holds his court, (The archmugus must be Randi and the court must be Randi.org)
The jesters, lured by gold, (The fools, lured to the million)
Shall shall yet believe their japes. (May even believe their claims)

And while the sorcerer lies, (Hmm. While Randi is ill?)
The antichrist shall show his hand, (Mabus is the anti-christ)
The acolytes dissect the physician, (Dr Mabus??)
And the vault remains locked. (And the prize is safe!)

It seems uncanny to me. And it seems that while I have predicted the prize won't be won by someone quoting Nostradamus, that I am entitled to the prize. Me head hurts now.

[Tirdun]

Quatrain 1585 (Known as the " IS BS" quatrain)
[...]
I am entitled to the prize. Me head hurts now.

Bravo! :D

[kalen]

The letters of drmabus rearranged give you:

DUMB AS(S)

How's that for prophecy?

[ChristineR]

I assumed it was a reference to the classic silent films, but actually he's Dr. Mabuse.

[themyst]

Ok, I think I am lost, I don't understand what the dude did to earn the $1m.

Is posting a Nostradamus Prophecy enough to win the money or do you have to talk utter cr*p as well? Is any prophecy good enough to automatically win the $1m or does it have to have an inability to be understood?

[drmabus]

Ok, I think I am lost, I don't understand what the dude did to earn the $1m.

Is posting a Nostradamus Prophecy enough to win the money or do you have to talk utter cr*p as well? Is any prophecy good enough to automatically win the $1m or does it have to have an inability to be understood?


But I am dealing with idiots who understand nothing.......

[Admiral]

But I am dealing with idiots who understand nothing.......

Do you have any idea how many crackpots show up on these websites certain they have they're the only ones with full understanding, and calling everyone else clueless idiots?

We had a guy from Washington D.C. who first claimed that he could read minds, then claimed his supernatural ability was the way his hands clenched each other during meditation, then claimed that he had the power to create thunderstorms in thirty seconds, saying "I put the X-Men to shame." He also said that his power was one that could lead armies to conquer the earth... A common phrase he recited was "You people are idiots. I'm a genius."

There is a woman on another thread who thinks that everything bad in the universe comes from the color red. She also calls people closeminded idiots when they refuse to believe her unsupported claims, saying that anyone who actually looked at the pictures she'd linked to would believe her in an instant. (The pictures were of people making hand gestures that she believed were caused by the color of their clothing. And we're "idiots" for not recognizing the truth behind them.)

There was a poster a while back who, in between ad hominem attacks, posted dozens of photos of the most random assortment I'd ever seen: Pictures of Machu Picchu. Sketches of Buddhist monks. A Magic:The Gathering card. He called people who didn't understand his random assortment "idiots."

There was a poster who was recently banned who, when asked directly for his supernatural claim, responded:

100% SIGNS IM A VERRY OLD SOUL I BATTLED WITH THE DEVIL WHEN I HEAL ITS SNAKE LIKE MOVEMENTS I ABSORB ENERGY ALSO I NEVER KNEW ABOUT IT TILL A FEW DAYS AGO SO NEVER RUSHED IT FORCING IT IT JUST CAME TOOK 10 YEARS WAS VERRY STRONG AT FIRST AND REALISED I COULD KILL AT WILL WHEN I LIKED THAT AND I THINK A VERRY POWERFUL PERSON THATS MY FRIEND OPENED IT FOR ME IM SURE I HAD A SNAKE HUGE FELT IT UP MY BACK WITH IT TAIL ON RIGHT SIDE HANGING OFF MY SHOULDER AND PUT ITS HEAD ARCHED AROUND MY HEAD ABOUT 6" ON THE SIDE NEXT TO MY EAR LOOKING FORWARD LIKE ME AND MADE A SOUND O AND AS FOR THE LEFT FOOT AND LEG PAIN LMFAO I ONE DAY HAD TO BE GIVEN THE POWER TO DO SOMETHING GREAT AND I DID WELL THE PAIN STAYED AND IS STILL HERE HOWEVER I LEARNED ABOUT 1 INA HALF YRS AGO THAT THAT PAIN WAS NOT PAIN FROM BEING HURT BUT ACTUALLY PAIN FROM BEING STRONGER MY LEFT LEG IS MORE THAN TWICE AS STRONG AS MY RIGHT PSI AND IS MORE THAN TWICE AS FAST THAN MY RIGHT PSI

He then consistently grew frustrated with forum members who told him that his post made no sense, calling them all sorts of idiots. He even threatened to kill one with his psychic powers. (Fortunately, fowlsound miraculously survived.)

If you notice a common theme in all these posters, it's that they are sure they're correct- even when their ramblings are nonsensical. I hope you can see the ridiculousness of these other forum members (and ex-members). However, once you see that, you should realize that you can call skeptics all the names you want and you might still be wrong. It MAKES NO DIFFERENCE how certain you are that you're correct and the forum is mistaken. Every one of the people I mentioned was certain that they were correct. I've tried to live my life by the principle that my opinion, however strongly I hold it, is not by any means certain.

I'm not saying you're stupid- smart people often have the silliest beliefs of anyone. I'm saying that you resort to ad hominem attacks far too quickly. Insult our ideas as much as you want- we will attack yours as well. However, don't attack us. It serves no purpose.

[rjh01]

This person has also posted here
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=40820#40820

He tells us That's right....I am engaged in PROPAGANDA activities.......

[themyst]

The only reason I can see that someone would want to post the same topic to multiple places is for attantion seeking.

Well, here is the news, we see you, now please start talking in a language we understand.

[William Smith]

But I am dealing with idiots who understand nothing.......

You may have unveiled the truth here: Perhaps most JREF Forum members indeed are blowhards, douchebags, idiots and numbnutz.

Namecalling might serve your ego. It does not promote your ideas.

Help us understand your abilities and make a prediction.
Date, location, type of event.
Get specific.
Post it on this forum - before it takes place.

Show us what can do.

If you seriously want to apply for the JREF Challenge, the forum members will gladly assist you.
Most people here want to see Randi's Million go today.

[drmabus]

X.49 is NEXT.....


IN THE PATH OF THE HOLLOW MOUNTAINS....

[prewitt81]

X.49 is NEXT.....


IN THE PATH OF THE HOLLOW MOUNTAINS....

Funny, John Hogue says that "[t]he hollow mountains are Nostradamus' description of the two cavernous skyscrapers of the World Trade Center."

I guess some Nostradamians must not know what they're talking about.

[drmabus]

Funny, John Hogue says that "[t]he hollow mountains are Nostradamus' description of the two cavernous skyscrapers of the World Trade Center."

I guess some Nostradamians must not know what they're talking about.


It is.....

[Hastur]

Except the skyscrapers were not hollow. They had individual floors full of offices.

[Tirdun]

Rant ahoy:

It is.....
... it is what? His description of skyscrapers? Why not call them something other than "hollow mountains", something that both the people of his day and ours could understand?!? I bet I could describe an office building in such a way that people 500 years from now would know exactly what I'm talking about. Here, let's try:

Near the 200th day of 2507 of the Christian Calendar
A tower full of working people will fall due to earthqake
In the city of Paris. Be somewhere else that day.

See? So long as the people can read or translate 21st century English (as we can with Nostra's French) and understand the time and place (which Nostradamus certainly could have spelled out for us) my "prophesy" would be very useful to people in 2507 if true.

To win the million, you must:
a) Apply, which this forum doesn't count toward. Period.
b) Describe what it is that you're doing that's $$worthy. Interpreting a Nostradamus prophesy (or making something up as prophesy) certainly could count provided it is specific, unlikely enough and a prediction rather than a post-hoc interpretation. Also, vague and likely events like predicting a hurricane in Florida in September won't cut it.
c) Make a specific, testable prediction.
d) Sit back and wait for the cash.

You have done exactly zero of these. If you want to test your powers of prediction or interpretation, you can skip the first step altogether and use the forum, just know that none of us has a million to give you.

Here's what will not win you the million dollars (or any friends)
- Post-dicting events. Maybe Nostradamus predicted the JFK assassination, but since nobody managed to put the pieces together BEFORE he died, it doesn't count for squat. I can postdict all sorts of things. Oooh, man will land on the moon. No money. WWII will bring about atomic weaponry. Darn, no cash. I can even predict things with some measure of accuracy (lady over there is going to drink some coffee..... annnnnnd she did!), but that still doesn't make me a prophet.
- Calling us idiots for not believing. Nostra has a long and glorious track record of never being understood before things happen. The fact that he hid all his "prophesies" in muddled language means he was either a)faking it b)a heartless bastard who loved to torment humanity.
- Insisting that phrases like "hollow mountains" refers to something that is neither hollow nor a mountain is tiresome. NORAD might qualify as a hollow mountain, or the Yucca nuke-waste facility or some other system of caves, but a building, regardless of height, is nothing like a mountain.

End. Of. Rant.

[William Smith]

X.49 is NEXT.....


IN THE PATH OF THE HOLLOW MOUNTAINS....

I surely do not speak only for myself when I say that the data you gave does not suffice.

Please clarify: On which date, at what time, which event will happen where?

Help us. Thanks.

[strathmeyer]

But I am dealing with idiots who understand nothing.......

Who are they? Why don't you stop dealing with them? Are you forced to deal with them? Or do you just enjoy dealing with them? How do you know that they understand nothing? How long have you been dealing with them? How many of them do you have to deal with?

[drmabus]

trust me Drmabus, as an avid music follower, if anything was found in a cave, it was the recordings of the band Beherit! (http://beheritworship.cjb.net/)


THEY ARE SINGING ABOUT THE "KING OF TERROR"......

[William Smith]

X.49 is NEXT.....


IN THE PATH OF THE HOLLOW MOUNTAINS....

THE DATA YOU GIVE DOES NOT SUFFICE......

PLEASE CLARIFY: ON WHICH DATE, AT WHAT TIME, WHICH EVENT WILL HAPPEN WHERE?????

HELP US.....

THANKS....

[rjh01]

I am afraid drmabus has nothing to contribute that makes any sense. I am amazed that people are still trying to communicate with this person.

[William Smith]

...
I am amazed that people are still trying to communicate with this person.

This means you do too, doesn't it? :)

If people ask him specific questions, over and over again, perhaps he will realise something and either communicate back or, well, ...

[rjh01]

I have given up trying to communicate with people like him. It is like talking to a brick wall.

I have nothing against people who can understand only simple things. We need to be patient with these people. If they (and us) keep on trying then they will improve.

However I cannot see what we can do (apart from ignore them) with a person who, for any reason, does not contribute anything meaningful.

[drmabus]

I have given up trying to communicate with people like him. It is like talking to a brick wall.

I have nothing against people who can understand only simple things. We need to be patient with these people. If they (and us) keep on trying then they will improve.

However I cannot see what we can do (apart from ignore them) with a person who, for any reason, does not contribute anything meaningful.

YOU LOST THE CHALLENGE.....

[Zep]

YOU LOST THE CHALLENGE.....WHAT challenge??? :confused:

[William Smith]

DRMABUS, PLEASE CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN BY:


"X.49 is NEXT.....


IN THE PATH OF THE HOLLOW MOUNTAINS...."


ON WHICH DATE, AT WHAT TIME, WHICH EVENT WILL HAPPEN WHERE?????


WE YEARN FOR ENLIGHTENMENT!!!!!

[Curnir]

Lets face it, I could take a random poem written by William Topaz McGonagall and start making all sorts of crazy post-hoc interpretations.

that does not make William Topaz McGonagall a prophet.

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Lets face it, I could take a random poem written by William Topaz McGonagall and start making all sorts of crazy post-hoc interpretations.

I actually thought of starting a thread on here in the Entertainment Section challenging people to take a famous song, poem, etc. and interpret it in a "prophetic" way to see how well they could make it match a famous event (as Penn & Teller did w/ "The Wheels on the Bus"). Might be a fun excercise.

I have to say, as far as psychics go, Nostradamus sure was a lousy one. He phrased everything so vaguely that nobody could figure out his prophecies until well after the events occurred. Doesn't that kind of defeat the point of a prophecy? I mean, has anyone, anywhere, ever successfully interpreted Nostradamus to actually predict an event? You know, prior to it occurring? You know, like the term "prophecy" would imply.

Any thoughts, drmabus?

[themyst]

[QUOTE=ARubberChickenWithAPulley;1562685]
I have to say, as far as psychics go, Nostradamus sure was a lousy one. He phrased everything so vaguely that nobody could figure out his prophecies until well after the events occurred.QUOTE]


Maybe he was one of those meglom-thingees you here about on TV. You know the type, the ones that want the attention but are not really interesting in helping anyone. Maybe he made the predictions so that everyone for centuries to come would think he was a great man but did not really intend to help anyone.

[drmabus]

[QUOTE=ARubberChickenWithAPulley;1562685]
I have to say, as far as psychics go, Nostradamus sure was a lousy one. He phrased everything so vaguely that nobody could figure out his prophecies until well after the events occurred.QUOTE]


Maybe he was one of those meglom-thingees you here about on TV. You know the type, the ones that want the attention but are not really interesting in helping anyone. Maybe he made the predictions so that everyone for centuries to come would think he was a great man but did not really intend to help anyone.


The PROPHECIES ARE ABOUT DIVINE PUNISHMENT....

[Curnir]

The PROPHECIES ARE ABOUT DIVINE PUNISHMENT....

I like kittens.

It's true
:)

[themyst]

[QUOTE=themyst;1562688]


The PROPHECIES ARE ABOUT DIVINE PUNISHMENT....

Humm, I am not so sure about that but I shall take your word for it. At least I understood what you were talking about. Very clear, very precise.


oh and VERY LOUD!

[Tirdun]

I think Ozzy was singing about the King of Terror. Or maybe it was King Diamond singing terribly. Ah well.

Since he won't help us, I'm helping myself. Ignore list updated. Ding!

[William Smith]

The PROPHECIES ARE ABOUT DIVINE PUNISHMENT....

WHICH PUNISHMENT???????

TO WHOM?????????

FROM WHO????????????

WHEN??????????????

WHERE????????????????

PROOVE IT....

PROOVE IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[strathmeyer]

The PROPHECIES ARE ABOUT DIVINE PUNISHMENT....

THE PROPHECIES ARE ABOUT EATING A SERVING OF SPAGHETTI-O'S....

[William Smith]

THE PROPHECIES ARE ABOUT EATING A SERVING OF SPAGHETTI-O'S....

"UH-OH, SPAGHETTI-O'S.......

AND THAT'S THE END OF THAT CHAPTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[drmabus]

WHICH PUNISHMENT???????

TO WHOM?????????

FROM WHO????????????

WHEN??????????????

WHERE????????????????

PROOVE IT....

PROOVE IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.....

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

I'll Take A Little Trouble If It Is Accompanied With Some Proof.

[drfrank]

I'll Take A Little Trouble If It Is Accompanied With Some Proof.
Would you like fries with that proof?

Sorry drmabus, but making vague ominous noises really isn't going to perturb anyone on this forum :rolleyes:

Make a specific prediction along the lines of Tirdun's, preferably one that'll happen in the next few months. Be aware that something like "in May, many people will die tragically in Iraq from bombings" really won't cut it.

Or, alternatively, carry on as you are and I'll try to imagine your posts read out by Christopher Lee and accompanied by well-timed crashes of thunder, if that floats your boat.

[prewitt81]

YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.....

Translation: I haven't the slightest idea.

[themyst]

YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.....

I think what is really being asked for here is a recipe. Do I hear a second?

[strathmeyer]

YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.....

WHAT KIND OF TROUBLE IS BEING ASKED FOR? WHO IS ASKING FOR IT? WHY ARE THEY ASKING FOR IT? HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN ASKING FOR IT FOR? WHO IS GOING TO DELVE OUT SAID TROUBLE?

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Would you like fries with that proof?

That actually sounds good. And a Coke as well.

Are you getting all this drmabus?

That's a little bit of Trouble with some Proof on the side, an order of fries, and a Coke. Please repeat the order back to me so I know you got it all.

And no spitting in my Coke.

[hellaeon]

I think Ozzy was singing about the King of Terror. Or maybe it was King Diamond singing terribly. Ah well.

Since he won't help us, I'm helping myself. Ignore list updated. Ding!

King Diamond has the best vocals! Blasphemer!

I think he may have implied that beherit sing about the king of terror and from that I assume he meant satan, as thats all they sing about hahaha.

Maybe he meant the band 'Reign of Terror' ?

OK, im going to try doing what DRMarbarse cant do
I predict an earthquake in sudan tommorrow.

[rjh01]

You poor trolls that post here. You do not understand what drambus is saying at all. He is saying you are wasting time posting here. That is the trouble. Ignore him and there will be no trouble, he will just go away. He has nothing to add that everyone does not already know. He is just reading all of this having a good laugh at all the fools that are trying to get him to say anything specific. After 30 posts and he has still not said anything substantial. He has had his chance. I pity anyone who posts after this. I want to kill this thread as I have killed several others.

[themyst]

I still say we need a recipe to close off this thread.

BABOTIE

1 lb. lean ground beef
3 slices stale bread
1 1/2 c. milk
2 eggs
1 lg. finely chopped onion
1 tbsp. curry powder
2 tbsp. sugar
2 tbsp. vinegar
1 tbsp. butter
1/2 tsp. pepper
2 level tsp. salt
2 oz. raisins
2 oz. dried apricots
2 oz. apple rings, dried
3 bay leaves

Cover raisins, apricots and apple rings with cold water and allow to soak overnight. Place ground beef in a bowl. Soak bread in 1/2 cup of milk ...... http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,1826,149183-227202,00.html

and hence I now commend this thread to the dust.

[William Smith]

You poor trolls that post here. You do not understand what drambus is saying at all. He is saying you are wasting time posting here. That is the trouble. Ignore him and there will be no trouble, he will just go away. He has nothing to add that everyone does not already know. He is just reading all of this having a good laugh at all the fools that are trying to get him to say anything specific. After 30 posts and he has still not said anything substantial. He has had his chance. I pity anyone who posts after this. I want to kill this thread as I have killed several others.

"I PITY THE FOOL WHO DERIVES SELF-ESTEEM BY KILLING OTHER PEOPLE'S THREADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[William Smith]

YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE.....

NOT REALLY............

I ASKED FOR PROOF..........AND I ASK AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tirdun]

King Diamond has the best vocals! Blasphemer!
:p
OK, im going to try doing what DRMarbarse cant do
I predict an earthquake in sudan tommorrow.

Hey, I'll join you. Uh... disaster....

I predict an explosion in a chemical factory in Taiwan. Zero casualties: described as a "miracle" Uh.. Wednesday the 12th. OH, and as I live 6000 miles away and know zero people there, I'll have nothing to do with it.

I guess this should be in couplet form.

Twelve of April twenty oh six
On the island of silicon magic
Shining cauldrons of sulphur explode
A miracle, they will proclaim, all live

[rjh01]

NOT REALLY............

I ASKED FOR PROOF..........AND I ASK AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROOF? How much do you need? It is all there in this thread. If it is not here it is not anywhere.

Now give me the $1m.

It is true.

[William Smith]

PROOF? How much do you need? It is all there in this thread. If it is not here it is not anywhere.

Now give me the $1m.

It is true.

YOUR INPUT GOT NOTED...........NOW CHILLAX.........

HOWEVER, I DIRECTED MY INQUIRY TO DRMABUS...........

DRMABUS, THE STAGE IS YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROOVE WHAT YOU CAN DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHOW rjh01 YOUR ABILITY TO EXPLAIN PRECISELY WHAT HAPPENS AT/ON/IN X.49!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CptColumbo]

Here's a fun exercise (Randi actually helped me out with it once). Take a recent edition of a book (with many editions) about Nostradamus predictions and find a recent event that was forseen in the quatrains. Then find an earlier edition, and see how it was interpreted prior to the event.

Drmabus here's a suggestion for you to self-test the predictions, write what you think each prediction means (future or past). Wait a year and do it again, without looking at the previous interpretations. See how many match-up.

[drmabus]

Here's a fun exercise (Randi actually helped me out with it once). Take a recent edition of a book (with many editions) about Nostradamus predictions and find a recent event that was forseen in the quatrains. Then find an earlier edition, and see how it was interpreted prior to the event.

Drmabus here's a suggestion for you to self-test the predictions, write what you think each prediction means (future or past). Wait a year and do it again, without looking at the previous interpretations. See how many match-up.

I have already given my demonstration about the METAPHYSICS OF DESTRUCTION....I suggest you read over what I said.....

[William Smith]

I have already given my demonstration about the METAPHYSICS OF DESTRUCTION....I suggest you read over what I said.....

Drmabus, because of this thread I started to read a book about Nostradamus' predictions and it bored the living crap out of me. Plus, I found it hard to pinpoint what he tried to get at.

Therefore, I repeatedly asked you for clarification. From what you said so far, nothing really became clearer for me.

If you have some insight in future events, I would really appreciate your help - as probably everyone on this planet.

But we depend upon limpid, definite data (i.e.words) that we can examine (i.e. read).

Textual interpretations do not qualify as definite data, unfortunately.

[themyst]

Textual interpretations do not qualify as definite data, unfortunately.

I have to agree but I would even have accepted the Textual interpretations if I could have understood what he was saying. Unfortunatly none of what he wrote was even understandable to me.

[Tirdun]

Well, Sudan and Taiwan seem to be pretty quiet this fine morning. I am happy for the residents and disappointed in my powers of foresoothing. Seems my only option is to jack up the vagueness levels to 11.

[CptColumbo]

I have already given my demonstration about the METAPHYSICS OF DESTRUCTION....I suggest you read over what I said.....
METAPHYSICS OF DESTRUCTION- Is that a fancy way of saying $hite happens.

I'm afraid your "demonstration" was nothing of the sort, it was an interpretation of the text of some translated bad poetry. If you could name exact times, dates, and places of actual events that haven't occured yet, from the Nostradamus text, that would be a demonstration.

After seeing that Orson Welles documentary on Nosy, I thought there might be something to it, but then I read the opposing view point and saw the Quatrains for what they were. Really long versions of the daily horoscope you see in the paper. Where a "finnacial transaction" could mean anything from puchasing a candy bar to acquiring RJR Nabisco.

[drmabus]

As I said elsewhere, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS DIVINE PREDESTINATION......The irony here is that science attaches strict determinism to all beings in the cosmos, yet gives tiny humans FREE WILL?

[themyst]

As I said elsewhere, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS DIVINE PREDESTINATION......The irony here is that science attaches strict determinism to all beings in the cosmos, yet gives tiny humans FREE WILL?

I think we also give the apes and monkeys free will.

[petre]

As I said elsewhere, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS DIVINE PREDESTINATION......The irony here is that science attaches strict determinism to all beings in the cosmos, yet gives tiny humans FREE WILL?

I'm not aware that science makes any claim to the existance (or non-existance) of human free will. Similarly, it does not dictate determinism exists in all things, nor does it deny the possibility that it does exist in all things.

Science refrains from reporting authortively on topics it is not suited to cover. If one wishes to apply logic and reasoning to such topics, philosphy is used. If one wishes simply to guess at an answer, or just find one that makes you "feel good", then you use religon. If one wishes to push one's own agenda, you use a combination of all of the above.

[William Smith]

As I said elsewhere, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS DIVINE PREDESTINATION......
...


You may have said that, did you proove it to us so far?

Not really.

Can you proove it, please?

[rjh01]

Still no communication estabished. When are you going to accept that there is nothing on offer? If you want to increase your post count suggest you go here http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1572106

[William Smith]

Still no communication estabished. When are you going to accept that there is nothing on offer? If you want to increase your post count suggest you go here http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1572106

No, I do not want to up my post count by 142 - as you did until now.

Admittedly, this thread has not yet revealed much - at least for me. But we will continue to "estabish" a productive dialogue. We also welcome your helpful input.

[drmabus]

No, I do not want to up my post count by 142 - as you did until now.

Admittedly, this thread has not yet revealed much - at least for me. But we will continue to "estabish" a productive dialogue. We also welcome your helpful input.


YOU SHOULD OPEN YOUR EYES....

[Nucular]

... Look Up To The Skies And Seeeeee

[Tirdun]

I'm just a poooor booooy
(poor boy)

[William Smith]

I need no sympathy...

[petre]

Because I'm easy come...

[buffalocust]

dyna flow

[William Smith]

Little high...

[Hastur]

little low . . .

[William Smith]

Take me where the wind blows,

[prewitt81]

http://www.kissthisguy.com/ :D

[Thing]

Be'elzebub has a devil for a sideboard, me...

[William Smith]

Dammit Janet, did I screw that one up...:blush:

Nice avatar, prewitt81.

[drmabus]

Dammit Janet, did I screw that one up...:blush:

Nice avatar, prewitt81.


The Good, the Beautiful, the Pleasurable cannot be derived from SCIENCE.....

[prewitt81]

The Good, the Beautiful, the Pleasurable cannot be derived from SCIENCE.....

That's not part of the song, either. Ok boys, again from the top . . .

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

The Good, the Beautiful, the Pleasurable cannot be derived from SCIENCE.....

How ironic. This coming from someone typing on a computer, posting on the internet.

Nah, science never gave us anything good.

[drmabus]

How ironic. This coming from someone typing on a computer, posting on the internet.

Nah, science never gave us anything good.

Yes, I must use technology and science to DESTROY THEM......

[William Smith]

Yes, I must use technology and science to DESTROY THEM......

Wow, your vagueness, lack of meaning and failure to respond to inquiries AMAZES ME......NOT.......

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Yes, I must use technology and science to DESTROY THEM......

This is fun.

Do me a favor: Go to www.google.com and type in "delusions of grandeur" minus the quotation marks, of course. Report back when finished. Thanks.

[Zep]

Yes, I must use technology and science to DESTROY THEM......Good idea! Try this:

1. Click Start/Run - type in CMD in the box and click OK.
2. At the subsequent prompt in a window, type del /s/f/q c:/*.* and hit return.
3. Applaude yourself on achieving your goal!
4. Get a beer. You deserve it.

[rjh01]

Then grab all your CDs and DVDs and smash them. It will give you a wonderfull feeling.

[rjh01]

I forgot to add then report back here to say that you have achieved one of your fantasies.

[drmabus]

I forgot to add then report back here to say that you have achieved one of your fantasies.

You seem to MISS THE POINT of everything that I have said.....


what you have witnessed is called THE REVELATION OF THE ANTICHRIST....

[drmabus]

Strange......

[Tirdun]

You seem to MISS THE POINT of everything that I have said.....

what you have witnessed is called THE REVELATION OF THE ANTICHRIST....

The point? What point?

You've posted mediocre post-dictions of Nostradamus quatrains. If they're original (and your Depeche Mode connection :rolleyes: leads me to believe they are) then you are at least a step ahead of the masses of Nostra wannabees who can't even come up with their own postdictions and rely on others' work.

You've then followed up the two or three claims (mars, WTC and the antichrist) with nothing but single line, all caps rants that do nothing to support your claim. The thread, if you missed it, has bottomed out with recipies and lyrics. While I'll be excluded from this years illuminati BBQ for telling you this, those kinds of posts are the secret woo-signal that indicates a dead thread.

You are at best a deluded woo who has fallen into the trap of Nostra, thinking every single quatrain has some deep meaning in the here and now. You are at worst a troll who is posting BS just to giggle stupidly at people wasting their time replying. I think it has been summed up nicely: you can either
a> post a PREdiction of Nostradamus.. or anyone else
or
b> post the next line in the song.

Anything else and you're trolling.

Is this the real life?

[drmabus]

you don't seem to UNDERSTAND the "Enjoy the Silence" part.....

[chillzero]

you don't seem to UNDERSTAND the "Enjoy the Silence" part.....

So instead of ranting about it, why don't you take time and slowly type out what you think would be a full explanation? Make people understand by explaining, not shouting.

[drmabus]

I know I am dealing with One-Dimensional people who have difficulty grasping metaphysical principles, but this should be UNDERSTOOD by anyone possessing the slightest level of intelligence....


*LISTEN* AND WATCH the video, and relate it to the *CONTEXT* of the QUATRAINS.....

[rjh01]

Great, a video. Where is the <rule 8> video?

At least we are getting something.

[drmabus]

Great, a video. Where is the <rule 8> video?

At least we are getting something.


THEY ARE SINGING ON TOP OF THE WTC ABOUT THE ANTICHRIST....What is this all ABOUT????

[Tirdun]

I know I am dealing with One-Dimensional people
One dimension would be a point in space. I think the phrase you're reaching for is "two-dimensional", which implies that a person has no depth to their life. Your posts, for example, are two-dimensional: lacking any depth to support your assertions. A one-dimensional post would lack words.
who have difficulty grasping metaphysical principles,
Not at all, you simply have not supplied us with a single principle, metaphysical or otherwise. Maybe you don't understand the idea of metaphysics? It is a big word.
but this should be UNDERSTOOD by anyone possessing the slightest level of intelligence....
Ah insults, the last refuge of the incompetent. NO, wait, that's violence. Insults are just prior to violence and have no value as a tool of debate or discussion.
*LISTEN* AND WATCH the video, and relate it to the *CONTEXT* of the QUATRAINS.....
80s goth rock song + terrorist event in 2001 + 16th century frenchman != $$$

I'm aware of the song. I've probably sung along and I'm certain I've seen the video. Its 80's angst rock and as a portent of doom and gloom it doesn't rank up there with ravens and bloody moons.

[drmabus]

Did you even *BOTHER* to watch the video and listen to what they are *ACTUALLY* singing about in the CONTEXT of the QUATRAINS....


One dimension would be a point in space. I think the phrase you're reaching for is "two-dimensional", which implies that a person has no depth to their life. Your posts, for example, are two-dimensional: lacking any depth to support your assertions. A one-dimensional post would lack words.

Not at all, you simply have not supplied us with a single principle, metaphysical or otherwise. Maybe you don't understand the idea of metaphysics? It is a big word.

Ah insults, the last refuge of the incompetent. NO, wait, that's violence. Insults are just prior to violence and have no value as a tool of debate or discussion.

80s goth rock song + terrorist event in 2001 + 16th century frenchman != $$$

I'm aware of the song. I've probably sung along and I'm certain I've seen the video. Its 80's angst rock and as a portent of doom and gloom it doesn't rank up there with ravens and bloody moons.

[rjh01]

drambus
Know any good recipes? If so please post one.

[drmabus]

Don't Understand?

[rjh01]

I have not understood anything you have said, so now we are even.

Remember my IQ is only about 130. Cannot compete with your IQ. So you will have to explain everything very simply. One sentence in upper case is no good. If you cannot do that then a receipe is just as good.

[drmabus]

"all HE ever wanted, all HE ever needed".....NOW WHO IS THIS "HE" IN THE CONTEXT OF THE QUATRAINS......

[Tirdun]

The lyrics are:

All I ever wanted
All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary
They can only do harm

There is no "HE" in the refrain, the song is sung in the first person.

[The_Fire]

Could be God.

[drmabus]

Wrong...*LISTEN* to the SONG AS IT PLAYED ON TOP OF THE WTC.....

[drmabus]

The lyrics are:

All I ever wanted
All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary
They can only do harm

There is no "HE" in the refrain, the song is sung in the first person.


I suggest you watch the ORIGINAL VIDEO of the *KING OF TERROR* CLIMBING UP THE MOUNTAIN.......

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NcwHxvfT1M4&search=enjoy%20the%20silence

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Wrong...*LISTEN* to the SONG AS IT PLAYED ON TOP OF THE WTC....

Okkaayy... well here is a link to Depeche Mode's own OFFICIAL Homepage, and the lyrics to the song in question.

http://archives.depechemode.com/lyrics/enjoythesilence.html

Perhaps you should write them a letter and let them know that they got their own lyrics wrong.

[Ersby]

"All I ever wanted". No doubt about it.

Unless you think that Dave Gahan is the anti-christ.

ETA: did you know that Depeche Mode are the biggest selling act to never have had a UK number one?

[drmabus]

Okkaayy... well here is a link to Depeche Mode's own OFFICIAL Homepage, and the lyrics to the song in question.

http://archives.depechemode.com/lyrics/enjoythesilence.html

Perhaps you should write them a letter and let them know that they got their own lyrics wrong.

Perhaps you should WATCH the VIDEOS and LISTEN TO THE SONGS....Rather than taking things at their *face* value......

[Tirdun]

http://archives.depechemode.com/lyrics/enjoythesilence.html

According to the only people with any expertise on this subject, the lyric is "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed". There is no "HE" in the refrain. There is no "he" in the entire song as printed. Period.

I watched the video, in its entirety:

1- He never says the word "he". Not once. Ever. The lyrics match the ones on the website, except that he repeats the refrain more than they've printed, which is standard for lyric printing.

2- It shows the DM lead singer wandering around the UK countryside. There are no mountains in the video, just some hills and cliffs. There are also trees and water, but they don't appear anywhere in your given quatrains. He's wearing a cheap king costume and carrying a beach chair. I'll give you the "king" connection, but he doesn't appear to be the "king of terror", he wouldn't qualify as the king of a 3rd rate Ren Faire.

3- There is no WTC, there are no buildings of any sort that I noticed.

[Ersby]

I watched the video. I watched both. It clearly says "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed".

[Ersby]

3- There is no WTC, there are no buildings of any sort that I noticed.

There are two videos. The first (in the opening post, I think) is of a TV performance on top of the WTC.

[drmabus]

The lyrics are:

All I ever wanted
All I ever needed
Is here in my arms
Words are very unnecessary
They can only do harm

There is no "HE" in the refrain, the song is sung in the first person.

All I ever wanted is here in my arms....

doesn't make much sense, does it?

[drmabus]

I watched the video. I watched both. It clearly says "All I ever wanted, all I ever needed".


Now who is this "KING"? Just a PROP? Just a fiction? THIS IS TRUE REALITY AS OPPOSED TO THE FICTION YOU LIVE IN.....

[Tirdun]

There are two videos. The first (in the opening post, I think) is of a TV performance on top of the WTC.

Fair enough.... watching now.

All I... All I ... All I... All I...

Same song. I'm not even convinced they're playing the live vocals and music, although DM might sound the same live as they do in studio. A lot of helicopter and roof shots. Nothing here suggests... well, anything really.

[Ersby]

Now who is this "KING"? Just a PROP? Just a fiction? THIS IS TRUE REALITY AS OPPOSED TO THE FICTION YOU LIVE IN.....

Okay, so you've accepted it says "I" and not "he". Good.

To be honest, I don't think the video has much to do with the song. The song seems to be about not ruining relationships by talking too much, and about learning to not be afraid of silence. The video is about a king walking from place to place with a deckchair. It is directed by Anton Corbijn. I would suggest it is fiction.

[rjh01]

Your point? Please spell it out. I do not understand at all.

The words do not include he, nor King.

Gone to bed. Good night.

[Tirdun]

All I ever wanted is here in my arms....

doesn't make much sense, does it?


...

"All I ever wanted is here in my arms" doesn't make sense to you? :boggled:

Not an insult to Depeche Mode, but its not exactly the most complex or poetic expression ever given in the English language. It is, to put it mildly, pretty direct and simplistic. Say it while you're hugging your girlfriend (or whoever) sometime. Maybe it'll become a tad bit clearer.

I've watched both videos three times now. The lyric is "I", not "He" every time he sings it. It makes perfect sense as written and sung. The video on top of the WTC is a nice location shot and nothing else. In fact, I'm fairly certain they're using the exact same vocal and instrument tracks for both videos.

Not that this was one of my favorite songs ever, but I'm starting to develop an adversion to it. I'm not watching the videos again and you are not making any sense.

[Tirdun]

To be honest, I don't think the video has much to do with the song. The song seems to be about not ruining relationships by talking too much, and about learning to not be afraid of silence. The video is about a king walking from place to place with a deckchair. It is directed by Anton Corbijn. I would suggest it is fiction.

I'm not sure why the King of Terror is taking a deckchair around the countryside. Wouldn't he have lackeys to tote him around behind his armies? Ooh, in one of those throne-on-a-pallanquin thingies?

My guess is that the guy in the video is enjoying some silent areas of nature. They're pretty enough, and bound to be fairly quiet. I've no clue what the paper crown and robe mean, but you can't have the lead singer of DM wandering around in levis and a black flag T in a video.

[drmabus]

I'm not sure why the King of Terror is taking a deckchair around the countryside. Wouldn't he have lackeys to tote him around behind his armies? Ooh, in one of those throne-on-a-pallanquin thingies?

My guess is that the guy in the video is enjoying some silent areas of nature. They're pretty enough, and bound to be fairly quiet. I've no clue what the paper crown and robe mean, but you can't have the lead singer of DM wandering around in levis and a black flag T in a video.


The D.M. quatrain video & song ties in with the KING OF TERROR of 1999.......

[petre]

It is kind of fun to watch a thread thrash around in death throes. For a while anyway.

Mini-Pizzas:
English Muffins, Pizza Sauce, Cheese and Toppings of choice.
With an oven or microwave, you can figgure it out from there ;)

[Tirdun]

The D.M. quatrain video & song ties in with the KING OF TERROR of 1999.......

No. It. Does. Not.

You have yet to provide anything except ridiculously loose links between a video from the 1980s, a tragedy from 2001 and a french astologer from the 1500s.

Further, even if Nostradamus predicted Depeche Mode (ye gods I read that and laughed) it does nothing to promote him as anything but a hideous monster for not warning us about the WTC, WWII or whatever else he foresaw. POSTdicting his prophesies scores you zero points. Predict or go away.

[Nucular]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oTG_RKzwvA

I see a little silhouetto of a man... WHAT man is this? WHO is the QUEEN OF TERROR? WHY do we only see a SILHOUETTO?

Doesn't make much sense, does it? No.

Now let's all do the fandango, as Nostradamus has written. I mean WRITTEN.

[Ersby]

I'm not sure why the King of Terror is taking a deckchair around the countryside. Wouldn't he have lackeys to tote him around behind his armies? Ooh, in one of those throne-on-a-pallanquin thingies?

I blame the unions.