Hal Bidlack acknowledges existence of other countries

[Diamond]

Whoopee f***ing do.

Now if we can get him to stop twisting history to fit his narrow nationalism we might actually get somewhere.

[CFLarsen]

Huh?

[Ducky]

I echo CFLarson on this one...

Huh?

[KingMerv00]

Um er what?

[Cleon]

Dude...Diamond. Friend. Comrade.

Don't hit the happy pipe before posting.

[LostAngeles]

Dude...Diamond. Friend. Comrade.

Don't hit the happy pipe before posting.

No, I think he needs to hit the happy pipe.

Dude. What?

[tkingdoll]

I hazard that Diamond is referring to this quote from this week's commentary:

"With apologies to our international readers, for whom Washington was likely not the father of their nations."

I further hazard that Diamond sees this as a direct nod towards his recent complaint about the seeming US bias of one of Hal's comments.

[CFLarsen]

I echo CFLarson on this one...

Huh?

Larsen.

[KingMerv00]

I further hazard that Diamond sees this as a direct nod towards his recent complaint about the seeming US bias of one of Hal's comments.

It is almost like Hal lives in the US or something. I demand equal time for Guy Fawkes and Robert Catesby.

[ranson]

Are we going to start this crap up again?

[Ducky]

Larsen.


Hmm. One of these days I will get it right...

Sorry :)

[CFLarsen]

Hmm. One of these days I will get it right...

Sorry :)

Harrumph.

[shemp]

These rumors of the existence of other countries outside the U.S. were debunked several years ago on The Man Show.

[Silly Green Monkey]

What is the Man Show?

[HarryKeogh]

I demand equal time for Guy Fawkes and Robert Catesby.

OK, now you're just making names up.

[prewitt81]

I support Hal Bidlack in this struggle for the freedom of speech.

[KingMerv00]

No response Diamond?

[Metullus]

No response Diamond?
Did he move to Denmark and change his name to "Diamend"?

[delphi_ote]

No response Diamond?
If I recall correctly, he didn't respond the last time he threw one of these tantrums, either.

All I can say is :rolleyes:

[Kiless]

No such thing as other countries, 'it's a conspiracy of cartographers' - Tom Stoppard.

And happy birthday Prewitt81! :)

[Pyrrho]

I hazard that Diamond is referring to this quote from this week's commentary:

"With apologies to our international readers, for whom Washington was likely not the father of their nations."

I further hazard that Diamond sees this as a direct nod towards his recent complaint about the seeming US bias of one of Hal's comments.
Minor correction: last time, it was about comments made by Michael Shermer. Hal had nothing to do with that--and if Diamond is criticizing Hal for what is a blatantly polite remark, well...gee whiz. What's more, Hal doesn't post on the forum anymore, and is therefore not here to defend himself.

I say, invite Diamond to write next week's Commentary. That should solve all problems.

[prewitt81]

No such thing as other countries, 'it's a conspiracy of cartographers' - Tom Stoppard.

And happy birthday Prewitt81! :)
It's only my birthday in those countries we haven't converted to American Standard Synchronous Time (the acronym violates rule 8). :p

Seriously though, thanks. Glad you're back, Kiless.

[LostAngeles]

Kiless needs her title changed to "Happy Birthdayer"

Happy birthday prewitt. ^_^

[Kiless]

Kiless needs her title changed to "Happy Birthdayer"

Happy birthday prewitt. ^_^

Yeah, as you observed, I think lots of people's parents were just getting shagged last June? Weird! :) But yes, happy one prewitt and let's derail this further!

[Ducky]

:bid:




That smilie seems like it should have been used earlier in this thread.

[delphi_ote]

I say you got no respect
Respect for authority
You're just playing your dirty tricks
And then come cryin' to me
Hit and run, hit and run
It's just a hit and run
Another hit and run
:g1: :Banane08:

[jj]

WTF are you on about anyhow in the OP?

[jj]

I say, invite Diamond to write next week's Commentary. That should solve all problems.

On Global Warming and the "air temperature problem" even. :)

[Mojo]

Yeah, as you observed, I think lots of people's parents were just getting shagged last June? Weird! :) But yes, happy one prewitt and let's derail this further!Last June? I thought there was some kind of lower age limit for joining the forum. Have neonates been falsifying their birth dates in order to post in "Politics..."?

[Diamond]

I'm not going to write the Commentary now or ever. Hal Bidlack is showing the same grace and sensitivity to others while running the Commentary as he showed when doing such a fantastic job as Forum Admininstrator.

If anyone were to look at Randi's Commentaries, he featured articles, news items and comments from all over the world in practically every one. Somehow Bidlack hasn't managed to mention anywhere outside of the 48 contiguous states except disparagingly.

If the Commentaries had been written entirely from a European perspective, featured only European writers and made cracks about America in similar style to Bidlack has about the British, there would be uproar about bias and anti-Americanism.

[De_Bunk]

Don't forget...

The USA invented everything known to mankind...

They found the Enigma machine...

They invented the 'Tank'..

They won every war they fought in or assisted in...

They didnt kill more 'Allied' forces than the actual enemy did, in Iraq...

And there isnt a program on TV called "History versus Hollywood" that was made to remind them of the 'actual facts' and made to keep their grip on what really occured.

De_with a big foam finger proclaiming 'Were Number One'_Bunk

[Ducky]

I'm not going to write the Commentary now or ever. Hal Bidlack is showing the same grace and sensitivity to others while running the Commentary as he showed when doing such a fantastic job as Forum Admininstrator.

I wasn't here for Bidlack's reign a forum administrator, but I assume this is sarcasm. What, exactly, was so bad that he did?

If anyone were to look at Randi's Commentaries, he featured articles, news items and comments from all over the world in practically every one. Somehow Bidlack hasn't managed to mention anywhere outside of the 48 contiguous states except disparagingly.

So you're upset that Bidlack hasn't said anything worthwhile, or that he didn't do it in a way you would prefer?

If the Commentaries had been written entirely from a European perspective, featured only European writers and made cracks about America in similar style to Bidlack has about the British, there would be uproar about bias and anti-Americanism.

What cracks about the british has Bidlack made that were so disparaging and derrogatory? Have you emailed him with your concerns, or are you just taking potshots on the forum? Last I saw of this problem you seem to have with the commentary fill-ins was Shermer not being worldly enough. What has Bidlack done to incur your wrath?

[CFLarsen]

I'm not going to write the Commentary now or ever. Hal Bidlack is showing the same grace and sensitivity to others while running the Commentary as he showed when doing such a fantastic job as Forum Admininstrator.

If anyone were to look at Randi's Commentaries, he featured articles, news items and comments from all over the world in practically every one. Somehow Bidlack hasn't managed to mention anywhere outside of the 48 contiguous states except disparagingly.

If the Commentaries had been written entirely from a European perspective, featured only European writers and made cracks about America in similar style to Bidlack has about the British, there would be uproar about bias and anti-Americanism.

Yet, it hasn't irked me, the Eternal Critic of All Things American, has it?

How is Bidlack "twisting history to fit his narrow nationalism"?

[Kiless]

I'm not going to write the Commentary now or ever. Hal Bidlack is showing the same grace and sensitivity to others while running the Commentary as he showed when doing such a fantastic job as Forum Admininstrator.

If anyone were to look at Randi's Commentaries, he featured articles, news items and comments from all over the world in practically every one. Somehow Bidlack hasn't managed to mention anywhere outside of the 48 contiguous states except disparagingly.

If the Commentaries had been written entirely from a European perspective, featured only European writers and made cracks about America in similar style to Bidlack has about the British, there would be uproar about bias and anti-Americanism.

I'd like to point out that one of the featured commentators was an Australian.

[Diamond]

I'd like to point out that one of the featured commentators was an Australian.

Quite right. I had forgotten about Athon.

Oh by the way, the narrow nationalism referred to this crack:

*Note: if you are a citizen of the noble and great United Kingdom, feel free to mentally reverse the parenthetical notes to suit your fancy. If you reside elsewhere in the world, please do feel free to alter who was fighting whom to please your own view of things. The important part, after all, is that history is more than dates. (Plus, we won.)

I look forward to a Vietnamese making reference to the importance of the Fall of Saigon in world history, and how its importance is more than just a date, but if you are a "citizen of the nobel and great United States, feel free to mentally reverse the parenthetical quotes to suit your fancy....(plus we won)"

No, I don't think there's a chance of that either.

[CFLarsen]

Quite right. I had forgotten about Athon.

Oh by the way, the narrow nationalism referred to this crack:



I look forward to a Vietnamese making reference to the importance of the Fall of Saigon in world history, and how its importance is more than just a date, but if you are a "citizen of the nobel and great United States, feel free to mentally reverse the parenthetical quotes to suit your fancy....(plus we won)"

No, I don't think there's a chance of that either.
It looks to me like a joke. If you don't get it, you don't get it.

How is Bidlack "twisting history to fit his narrow nationalism"?

[Zep]

As far as I'm aware, Hal is a fine upstanding gentleman, and a credit to his uniform, namely the US Air Force. We won't mention that he also likes to masquerade in wig and tights in an effort to educate others of his acquaintence as to their own history.

So far be it from me to note that our own country came into being as a direct result of his country refusing to accept any more people of the type that constitute the distant ancestors of our country today. Instead, I want to thank him, and note that the country that populated both our countries initially now considers either of us a better destination than their own country. That is, they tossed out the best and kept the worst at home.

[Diamond]

It looks to me like a joke. If you don't get it, you don't get it.

I'm not laughing. Would any American be laughing at a Vietnamese taunt on the Vietnam War?

How is Bidlack "twisting history to fit his narrow nationalism"?

Who is the "we"? Whom did the "we" defeat? Think about it. If you think "The American people" and "The British" then you'd be wrong.

[CFLarsen]

I'm not laughing. Would any American be laughing at a Vietnamese taunt on the Vietnam War?

I don't know. Would any American be laughing at a German taunt on WWII?

Who is the "we"? Whom did the "we" defeat? Think about it. If you think "The American people" and "The British" then you'd be wrong.

Again, huh? Perhaps you could enlighten us?

[CFLarsen]

Did he move to Denmark and change his name to "Diamend"?
Danmark.

[Diamond]

I don't know. Would any American be laughing at a German taunt on WWII?

Non sequitur Claus. You can do better than this.

Again, huh? Perhaps you could enlighten us?

No. I'm not going to spoonfeed you on history Claus.

[CFLarsen]

Non sequitur Claus. You can do better than this.

How on Earth is that a non sequitur? The US also fought a war in Germany.

No. I'm not going to spoonfeed you on history Claus.

You don't need to. My understanding of history is fine. I just don't understand what you mean, and you are not going to explain what you meant. We are none the wiser.

[Diamond]

How on Earth is that a non sequitur? The US also fought a war in Germany.

Was it on the losing side?

Perhaps I should start a new round of taunts for the German posters:

"Two World Wars and
One World Cup
Doo dah! Doo Dah!"

After all if its acceptable to taunt British people over the events of more than 200 years ago, then what about less than 100? Less than 50?

What if Vietnamese started taunting the American posters over the Vietnam War in the same manner? WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? WOULD THE AMERICAN POSTERS BE EXPECTED TO GET A SENSE OF HUMOR ABOUT IT?

[Hawk one]

I'm not laughing. Would any American be laughing at a Vietnamese taunt on the Vietnam War?

Actually, this is not a good comparison, since so many people are still alive to remember what actually happened. Better find another war of battle that happened more than a hundred years ago, especially if the two warring fractions is currently rather good allies.

So, from my own history lessons, let's take Norway and Sweden as an example. It's a little-known fact outside of Scandinavia that Sweden took rule over Norway in November 1814 (after a great deal of some underhanded dealing between the Swedes and the Danes, but I digress). While Sweden aknowledged Norway as some sort of province, they took direct control over two areas called Jämtland and Herjedalen. Those areas remain Swedish to this day, and are most likely to continue doing so.

I am quite confident that this was deadly serious at the time. But guess what. Both Norwegians and Swedes make jokes about that today. We tell the Swedes it's time we took those areas back, and they jokingly reply that perhaps they should just seize control of the whole of Norway again to get our oil. Heck, the citizens of said areas made a little ruckus to become Norwegian again once it was clear that Sweden would join the EU and Norway would not. We can laugh at the situation now because it all happened more than one century ago.

And I will assume that a good amount of Americans would in fact have laughed if a Vietnamese made a good-natured joke about that war. It's a rather diverse country, after all. But a great many wouldn't, partially because it's still too fresh. But let's wait for a couple more generations, and assuming that Vietnam and USA get a friendlier relationships, jokes about the Vietnam war would probably be received with at least a smile. Unless some people are too full of themselves, but that's frankly their problem, not mine.

[Psiload]

What is the Man Show? Girls jumping on trampolines.

'nuff said.

[jj]

I'm not going to write the Commentary now or ever. Hal Bidlack is showing the same grace and sensitivity to others while running the Commentary as he showed when doing such a fantastic job as Forum Admininstrator.

If anyone were to look at Randi's Commentaries, he featured articles, news items and comments from all over the world in practically every one. Somehow Bidlack hasn't managed to mention anywhere outside of the 48 contiguous states except disparagingly.

If the Commentaries had been written entirely from a European perspective, featured only European writers and made cracks about America in similar style to Bidlack has about the British, there would be uproar about bias and anti-Americanism.


What in the name of creation are you on about?

How come you don't whine about all of us people talking about US politics in the politics forum, too? I mean, we don't talk about Berlusconi, or Benny Hill, or Rowan whazzisname, we argue about King George the Wth and the man wiht the zipper, and how it's all Clinton's fault, etc.

I mean, look man, 3 of 4 ancestors of mine moved to the USA because you guys in the UK (you are in the UK right?) threw them out. Do I complain about that every day, except perhaps when I'm tweaking DeBunk?

Shall we discuss taxation without representation?

Shall we raise Benjamin Franklin's essay on "How to make a small empire of a large one"?

WHAT are you on about anyhow? People generally write about subjects they know about, or at least think they do. I suspect that you won't fall over in a dead faint to hear that in fact there is enough quackery in the USA alone to keep a small army busy. Why should Hal go outside the USA to find examples of quacks?

I suppose if I volunteered to write a thing for Swift about audio quackery, somehow that would be US-centric because I might feature among others a few folks from the UK? Classic magician's force, dude.

I mean, besides McVitie's chocolate digestives, what have you guys done lately? :D

[Diamond]

Actually, this is not a good comparison, since so many people are still alive to remember what actually happened. Better find another war of battle that happened more than a hundred years ago, especially if the two warring fractions is currently rather good allies.

No, it's entirely the point. If its unacceptable for people to taunt Americans over American war defeats, German people over German war defeats then why is it open season on British people especially as we are meant to be allies?

[CFLarsen]

Was it on the losing side?

What difference does that make?

Perhaps I should start a new round of taunts for the German posters:

"Two World Wars and
One World Cup
Doo dah! Doo Dah!"

Try it and see what happens. (It wouldn't work, since Germany has won more World Cups than the British)

After all if its acceptable to taunt British people over the events of more than 200 years ago, then what about less than 100? Less than 50?

I taunt the English over events 1200 years ago, but I also taunt them over events that happened yesterday. So? Can we not taunt each other anymore?

What if Vietnamese started taunting the American posters over the Vietnam War in the same manner? WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? WOULD THE AMERICAN POSTERS BE EXPECTED TO GET A SENSE OF HUMOR ABOUT IT?

I don't know. Why don't you find a Vietnamese and find out?

And while you're at it, see if you can pick up a sense of humor. Sorry, humour.

[jj]

After all if its acceptable to taunt British people over the events of more than 200 years ago, then what about less than 100? Less than 50?

Son, I knew quite a few people who died in Vietnam for no good reason at all. What was your point? I know the sons and daughters, and brothers and sisters, of people who died in WW2, for a good reason, perhaps, but an unnecessary death in the scheme of things. My doctor when I was a kid had a tattoo (number) on one arm, and was a very nervious person.

None the less, I work, and have worked, extensively with people from Germany, Japan, the UK, Sweden, China, etc. For some reason we don't seem to bring up these old events, except in a historical light, and only occasionally.

I still do remind my Swedish collegues that they speak a dialect of Norwegian. I tell my Norwegian collegues that they speak a dialect of Swedish. They laugh, I laugh. I have invited at least one of the collegues in the UK to come over to the colonies sometime. He did. Didn't bat an eyelash at the statement either. Of course, I wasn't breathing down their nose when I said it, either.

Sorry, what was your point anyhow?

You ridicule our beer (fair 'nuff) and we'll ridicule your long-dead King George, eh? The war is over, remember? Do you still want the colonies back for some reason? I mean, Bush might give them to you, since most of them were those annoying Blue States, eh?

Now, if you're talking about Hal's historical acting, well, you DO realize that it has enormous meaning, in terms of countering the revisionist history being pushed on us in the USA right now, don't you? It's important for the USA to understand where it came from, and why right now, because a whole lot of people want to try to convince us that it was founded solely for the purpose of promulgating Christianity, or so it seems every day when you turn on the telly... Why do you think this is directed at YOU, anyhow?

[CFLarsen]

If its unacceptable for people to taunt Americans over American war defeats, German people over German war defeats

Who says it is?

[Diamond]

Who says it is?

Why not try it and find out?

[Diamond]

Son, I knew quite a few people who died in Vietnam for no good reason at all. What was your point? I know the sons and daughters, and brothers and sisters, of people who died in WW2, for a good reason, perhaps, but an unnecessary death in the scheme of things. My doctor when I was a kid had a tattoo (number) on one arm, and was a very nervious person.

None the less, I work, and have worked, extensively with people from Germany, Japan, the UK, Sweden, China, etc. For some reason we don't seem to bring up these old events, except in a historical light, and only occasionally.



Why ever not? If we British must have a sense of humor about it, then why not Germans, Japanese, Chinese or Americans? If somebody objects to this, why not remind them that it was all a long time ago, and we weren't getting at them personally.

That'll work.

Let me know how it goes.

[Hawk one]

No, it's entirely the point. If its unacceptable for people to taunt Americans over American war defeats, German people over German war defeats then why is it open season on British people especially as we are meant to be allies?
And again, the concept of time, and of freshness and memories of the war plays an important role. It's not such an absolute as you're trying to put it. Things change over time. Vietnam war is historically recent. The battle you're referring to is not. Neither is Norway being under Swedish rule, though I can tell you that at the time, things weren't nice (though some periods were worse than others). And I've already shown you that both sides are fully prepared to to make jokes about that era. Because as things were finally resolved, and the wounds got healed by this wonderful process called time, neither side is so stuck up and full of themselves as to still gnash teeth over it. What happened then happened then, and we're only "rivals" in the very loose and not too serious sense of the word today.

Plus, it's not like nobody's taunting USA over the Vietnam War. Remember A Fish Called Wanda? The US villain goes on and on about how he hates England (And since you really seem to have lost your sense of humour, I must point out that as he was the real bad guy, the main point with this was to taunt the US "superiority" deal, rather than really insulting the Brits for their habits), and then finally, near the end of the movie, the British lawyer finally gets back at him. And one of the things he do get back at him with was the Vietnam War. And it was a UK/US collaborate effort to make, so obviously some Americans are having a sense of humor about the issue (and some Brits are obivously having a sense of humour).

[CFLarsen]

Why not try it and find out?
So, nobody is saying it?

Yes or no, please.

[Curnir]

While Sweden aknowledged Norway as some sort of province, they took direct control over two areas called Jämtland and Herjedalen. Those areas remain Swedish to this day, and are most likely to continue doing so.
snip... We tell the Swedes it's time we took those areas back,

Please do.

I am also a firm supporter of the idea that the Govenor of Minnesota should send elements of the Minnesota national guard to reclaim their ancestral lands.

(ok I might have joked a bit there but still...)

[delphi_ote]

After all if its acceptable to taunt British people over the events of more than 200 years ago, then what about less than 100? Less than 50?
Good rule of thumb: if veterans of the war are still alive, don't make jokes about it.

You are acting like such a baby, Diamond. What is the deal?

[delphi_ote]

Why ever not? If we British must have a sense of humor about it, then why not Germans, Japanese, Chinese or Americans? If somebody objects to this, why not remind them that it was all a long time ago, and we weren't getting at them personally.
You can't be serious. You're implying that the ancestors of every conflict ever known on Earth should be equally upset about every conflict that has ever happened. Why?

Why are you so offended by this? Are you angry that the U.S. isn't a colony anymore? Are you upset because my great great great great great grandfather killed your great great great great grandfather? What specificially offends you about this subject?

I can't believe someone of your ingelligence would be so irrational. There's some other agenda here. I don't know what it is, but it's pretty obvious you've got an axe to grind. That's sad, because you've contributed so much to this community. Now you're letting some personal grudge get in the way of all that.

[Diamond]

Good rule of thumb: if veterans of the war are still alive, don't make jokes about it.

You are acting like such a baby, Diamond. What is the deal?

Good rule of thumb: if the Americans are on the losing side, make up a rule on the spot.

Why should we not be able to make fun of America losing the Vietnam war? Are you a vet? Does it affect you personally? Or is it just the same selective memory as Hal Bidlack?

[Diamond]

You can't be serious. You're implying that the ancestors of every conflict ever known on Earth should be equally upset about every conflict that has ever happened. Why?

Nope.

Why are you so offended by this? Are you angry that the U.S. isn't a colony anymore? Are you upset because my great great great great great grandfather killed your great great great great grandfather? What specificially offends you about this subject?

Nope.

I can't believe someone of your ingelligence would be so irrational. There's some other agenda here. I don't know what it is, but it's pretty obvious you've got an axe to grind. That's sad, because you've contributed so much to this community. Now you're letting some personal grudge get in the way of all that.

That's it! I must have an axe to grind! I'm so irrational! That's it!

I couldn't be making a point so obvious that you can't see it, that's for sure.

[delphi_ote]

Good rule of thumb: if the Americans are on the losing side, make up a rule on the spot.

Why should we not be able to make fun of America losing the Vietnam war? Are you a vet? Does it affect you personally? Or is it just the same selective memory as Hal Bidlack?
I'm talking about courtesy, Diamond. Someone reading this forum might very well be a veteran of that war. Winners or losers, it wouldn't be a good idea to make light of the events.

[delphi_ote]

I couldn't be making a point so obvious that you can't see it, that's for sure.
You could state clearly what is offending you. Why aren't you doing that?

[Diamond]

I'm talking about courtesy, Diamond. Someone reading this forum might very well be a veteran of that war. Winners or losers, it wouldn't be a good idea to make light of the events.

That's an interesting point of view. "Don't make a comment for fear that someone might be offended by it"

It's a good job there are no British people here, otherwise they might be offended when someone makes reference to their country so as to disparage them for not being born on the side of the Winners.

It's a shame that you advocate that courtesy be so one-sided.

[Metullus]

Danmark.
Sorry, my misteke.

[jj]

Why ever not? If we British must have a sense of humor about it, then why not Germans, Japanese, Chinese or Americans? If somebody objects to this, why not remind them that it was all a long time ago, and we weren't getting at them personally.

That'll work.

Let me know how it goes.


Nobody can make you have a sense of humor. You don't have to. Nobody can give you a sense of humor.

On the other hand, how do you figure that Hal attacks Great Britain? Do you mean that he should not be free to discuss history, to educate people about what happened?

It did happen. It was long ago, but it did happen, and the "how and why" are very, very important in US politics right now.

[CFLarsen]

Diamond,

So, nobody is saying it?

Yes or no, please.

Sorry, my misteke.
That's batter...

[Kimpatsu]

Larsen.
Would anything done by CF Larsen be larseny?

[CFLarsen]

Would anything done by CF Larsen be larseny?
(groannnnnnnnn)

[LostAngeles]

Would anything done by CF Larsen be larseny?

...

EXTERMINATE.

[delphi_ote]

It's a good job there are no British people here, otherwise they might be offended when someone makes reference to their country so as to disparage them for not being born on the side of the Winners.
You honestly think that comment was meant to disparage? How does it put you (or anyone) down? That war is long buried in the past and of no direct consequence to your life whatsoever.

What about it offends you? Are you worried about the ghosts' feeligns? Do you get the same way when your sports teams lose? Do you have some kind of personal beef with Bidlack? Are you part of some cult that worships your ancestors? I really don't understand this.

C'mon! You guys torched our capital in the War of 1812! That's even more recent than the war that's got your panties in a wad. Somehow, I found it in my heart to forgive you. :D

[Diamond]

You honestly think that comment was meant to disparage? How does it put you (or anyone) down? That war is long buried in the past and of no direct consequence to your life whatsoever.

You really don't have a clue. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just deeply culture blind and ignorant of history.

What about it offends you? Are you worried about the ghosts' feeligns? Do you get the same way when your sports teams lose? Do you have some kind of personal beef with Bidlack? Are you part of some cult that worships your ancestors? I really don't understand this.

No you don't. But don't let a little incomprehension stop you from being offensive. It doesn't stop Fowlsound so why should it stop you?

[Diamond]

Nobody can make you have a sense of humor. You don't have to. Nobody can give you a sense of humor.

On the other hand, how do you figure that Hal attacks Great Britain? Do you mean that he should not be free to discuss history, to educate people about what happened?

He should, but just in case you're forgetting - he's not referring to dead people but to the present day. As if the Britons of the present day are responsible or culpable for the remote past. As if they approved. As if they had a choice. They have no more choice today about the actions of their government than they did in the 18th Century.

It did happen. It was long ago, but it did happen, and the "how and why" are very, very important in US politics right now.

Can you believe that its also very important in UK politics as well, but not so anybody more than 40 degrees west of Greenwich would ever bother to know. Not Shermer, not Bidlack, not Fowlsound, Delphi_ote couldn't give a damn.

It only matters in the US. Nowhere else.

[Metullus]

That's batter...
Thenk you.

[delphi_ote]

You really don't have a clue. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're just deeply culture blind and ignorant of history.
You just made an awful lot of claims without backing them up. Are you above that now?
No you don't. But don't let a little incomprehension stop you from being offensive. It doesn't stop Fowlsound so why should it stop you?
I've met 3 year olds more capable of expressing what's upsetting them. Come on, Diamond. Stop crying in the corner and tell us why you're mad. We're not going to get anywhere if you don't explain. None of us can make a rational decision about how to handle your nationalist/historical sensitivity without more data.

I really like you. You're a great member of this community. You contributed a lot with the wiki. I loved it when you and I would have it out with creationists together. You're capable of devastating arguments and air-tight critical thinking. Having you fly off the handle like this isn't good for any of us. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Start explaining what's bothering you.

[Ryokan]

De_with a big foam finger proclaiming 'Were Number One'_Bunk

So who's number one these days?

If you want to rant to foreigners about how great your country is, at least make sure you get your own language right ;)

[Hawk one]

Yeah well, Ryokan, we both know that according to the variables on standard of living as set by the UN, we are number one. :D

[Bindamel]

Don't mention the war! (http://www34.brinkster.com/kweeket/europe/dontmentionthewar.asp)

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)

[Doubt]

I cannot find the supposedly offending material in the commentary anymore. I do remember seeing there, however.

Diamond:

To be offended by this requires you to:

1.) Ignore the rather obvious attempt at humor on the part of the writer. Context matters.
2.) Ignore the history of the US revolution from your own country’s perspective. Support for the war in the UK was almost non-existent and sympathy for the revolution was not uncommon.
3.) Create or suggest a motive for the writer other than humor.

To do all three of the above suggests that you have an issue that nobody here can help you with. So what is behind all this? Why ignore the context? It looks like you are trying very hard to be offended.

[hellaeon]

man... who cares... im in aus...

[Darat]

Don't mention the war! (http://www34.brinkster.com/kweeket/europe/dontmentionthewar.asp)

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)

Those external location shots were taken about a two minute walk from where I live. (It was never a hotel although it did become a nightclub for a little while - it burnt down and they built houses on the site.)

[CFLarsen]

Those external location shots were taken about a two minute walk from where I live. (It was never a hotel although it did become a nightclub for a little while - it burnt down and they built houses on the site.)
You sure party hard....

[Doubt]

Don't forget...

The USA invented everything known to mankind...


A claim not ever made by anyone as far as I know.


They found the Enigma machine...


Only true for people who get their history from movies. But that is at least as good a source as what you think you learned in school based on the false claims you are assigning to my country in this post of yours. How many in Briton know that commercial versions of the enigma were in use in many countries before the war started? Briton first captured the military version. The US did capture a later military version.


They invented the 'Tank'..


Never heard that one before. Although invented in the UK, the French were the ones that figured out how it should really be used.


They won every war they fought in or assisted in...


Where do you find Americans that never heard of Vietnam?


They didnt kill more 'Allied' forces than the actual enemy did, in Iraq...


Must be the same people that never heard of Vietnam.

[ranson]

Umm, I think the post that asserted all those items was meant as a joke ...

[delphi_ote]

A claim not ever made by anyone as far as I know.



Only true for people who get their history from movies. But that is at least as good a source as what you think you learned in school based on the false claims you are assigning to my country in this post of yours. How many in Briton know that commercial versions of the enigma were in use in many countries before the war started? Briton first captured the military version. The US did capture a later military version.



Never heard that one before. Although invented in the UK, the French were the ones that figured out how it should really be used.



Where do you find Americans that never heard of Vietnam?



Must be the same people that never heard of Vietnam.
Yes. De_Bunk was definitely being sarcastic there.

[Doubt]

Yes. De_Bunk was definitely being sarcastic there.

Sorry, but no.

De_bunk has a habit of buying into US stereotypes. Rather sad given he is from the US originally. Reference:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=21561&highlight=enigma

[delphi_ote]

Sorry, but no.

De_bunk has a habit of buying into US stereo types. Rather sad given he is from the US originally. Reference:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=21561&highlight=enigma
So make that two long time posters I've lost respect for. :bwall

[jj]

So make that two long time posters I've lost respect for. :bwall

I think you might fail to quite understand some forms of irony, old chap.

[delphi_ote]

I think you might fail to quite understand some forms of irony, old chap.
Is De_Bunk being funny or nasty? I honestly can't tell. If he's just being ironic, great. Funny stuff. If he's serious...

[CFLarsen]

Is De_Bunk being funny or nasty? I honestly can't tell. If he's just being ironic, great. Funny stuff. If he's serious...
He is all that, and more.

[delphi_ote]

Don't forget...

The USA invented everything known to mankind...

They found the Enigma machine...

They invented the 'Tank'..

They won every war they fought in or assisted in...

They didnt kill more 'Allied' forces than the actual enemy did, in Iraq...

And there isnt a program on TV called "History versus Hollywood" that was made to remind them of the 'actual facts' and made to keep their grip on what really occured.

De_with a big foam finger proclaiming 'Were Number One'_Bunk
One more time... he's being sarcastic here, right? He does not believe these things are true. He is impersonating an exaggerated ignorant American stereotype, right?

If so, awesome. That's funny, clever, etc. If he really believes that... um...

I don't think my confusion is entirely my fault. De_Bunk's punctuation and grammar can be confusing sometimes.

[RSLancastr]

Oh by the way, the narrow nationalism referred to this crack:Yanks and Brits have been kidding each other about that war for quite some time, and I've never seen anyone get upset about it before (on either side).

It was long enough ago that nobody living today lost a brother, uncle, father or even a grandfather in that war. Jokes about it are at nobody's expense.

I'm a Lancaster. Over the years, I've joked with a number of Yorks about the War of the Roses. Is this as awful to you as Hal's joking comment about America having won?

I really think you're making much ado about nothing here.

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Why ever not? If we British must have a sense of humor about it, then why not Germans, Japanese, Chinese or Americans? If somebody objects to this, why not remind them that it was all a long time ago, and we weren't getting at them personally.

Well, I can tell you that my wife is Japanese, and we rib each other about WWII occasionally. Other Japanese friends aren't shy about doing the same. They weren't alive, I wasn't alive, so we all know it is not a personal attack against any of us. It's playful joking and nothing more. The Korean soldiers I work with joke about the Korean War from time to time as well. My father is a Vietnam Veteran, and he isn't afraid to joke about it. There are some specific topics I am sure he wouldn't joke about, but the entire topic isn't off limits to him (or, for that matter, for plenty of other veterans I have met).

Many people are able to look back on terrible events and ordeals in their lives (not to mention events that occurred two centuries before they were born) and find some humor in them. I've always considered that to be a good thing.

[kookbreaker]

Only true for people who get their history from movies. But that is at least as good a source as what you think you learned in school based on the false claims you are assigning to my country in this post of yours. How many in Briton know that commercial versions of the enigma were in use in many countries before the war started? Briton first captured the military version. The US did capture a later military version.


Debunk is being sarcastic,

But Enigma is an area of history where the Brits should not be lecturing anyone about the true course of events. (http://www.polonia.org/enigma.htm)

[tsg]

But Enigma is an area of history where the Brits should not be lecturing anyone about the true course of events. (http://www.polonia.org/enigma.htm)

It occurs to me that a movie might not be the best place to learn about history. But that's just me.

[Darat]

Debunk is being sarcastic,

But Enigma is an area of history where the Brits should not be lecturing anyone about the true course of events. (http://www.polonia.org/enigma.htm)

Er why not?

[ImaginalDisc]

Er why not?

Because the mathematicians who broke the engima machine were neither English nor American, but Polish.

[Darat]

Because the mathematicians who broke the engima machine were neither English nor American, but Polish.

Sorry still don't see the problem with "the English" lecturing "Hollywood" about their factually inaccurate movie about the capture of an Enigma machine?

[Jeff Wagg]

Facts are facts.

[ImaginalDisc]

Sorry still don't see the problem with "the English" lecturing "Hollywood" about their factually inaccurate movie about the capture of an Enigma machine?

It's inappropriate, because if anyone's got the right to crow, it's the Poles.

[Darat]

It's inappropriate, because if anyone's got the right to crow, it's the Poles.


The Poles didn't capture the Enigma machine in question so what has it got to do with the Poles?

[Jeff Wagg]

It's inappropriate, because if anyone's got the right to crow, it's the Poles.

I don't want to hear crowing. I want to hear facts..from whatever source.

[kookbreaker]

Er why not?

Brits are complaining about the historical record as portrayed by a Hollywood Movie that is designed to be entertaining and appeal to the largest contingent of movie-goers.

By comparison, several Brit accounts of the Enigma, in a far more scholarly environments, have removed or minized the invaluable contributions of the Poles.

Now which is worse?

[Jeff Wagg]

Brits are complaining about the historical record as portrayed by a Hollywood Movie that is designed to be entertaining and appeal to the largest contingent of movie-goers.

By comparison, several Brit accounts of the Enigma, in a far more scholarly environments, have removed or minized the invaluable contributions of the Poles.

Now which is worse?

Hollywood's version was the least factual, so it's the worst.

[ImaginalDisc]

The Poles didn't capture the Enigma machine in question so what has it got to do with the Poles?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Rejewski

"Marian Adam Rejewski 16 August 1905 – 13 February 1980) was a Polish mathematician and cryptologist who, in 1932, solved the Enigma machine, the main cipher device then in use by Germany. The success of Rejewski and his colleagues jump-started British reading of Enigma in World War II, and the intelligence so gained, code-named "Ultra", contributed, perhaps decisively, to the defeat of Nazi Germany"

Rejewski cracked the German military Enigma without ever laying his hands on it.

[Darat]

Brits are complaining about the historical record as portrayed by a Hollywood Movie that is designed to be entertaining and appeal to the largest contingent of movie-goers.

By comparison, several Brit accounts of the Enigma, in a far more scholarly environments, have removed or minized the invaluable contributions of the Poles.



Have they? All my books that deal with Enigma (or mention it) give credit to the work done by the Poles.



Now which is worse?

Depends on what metric you use doesn't it?

[kookbreaker]

[QUOTE=Darat;1565778]Have they? All my books that deal with Enigma (or mention it) give credit to the work done by the Poles.
[QUOTE]

Prior to the end of the USSR, everything I heard and read was 'Enigma = Bletchley Park'. It was only in the past few years (after the fall of the Iron Curtain) that the Poles have been given their due.

[Nyarlathotep]

Hollywood's version was the least factual, so it's the worst.

It is also the one that people aren't expected to take as fact, what with it being a work of fiction and all.

[cyborg]

Never seen so much bitching about nothing in my life...

I should be start having a go at my Italian friends because the Romans invaded Britian next I suppose. I mean I've never heard a damn apology from them.

[geoman]

To summarize from my point of view:

The heroic Americans win the war of Independence so they can get their own country from the awful Limeys. Score 1 to them.

The heroic Brits lose the War of Independence so we can get rid of all those awful Yanks. Score 1 to us.

One-all draw, we both go home happy. There is NO extra time.

[delphi_ote]

To summarize from my point of view:

The heroic Americans win the war of Independence so they can get their own country from the awful Limeys. Score 1 to them.

The heroic Brits lose the War of Independence so we can get rid of all those awful Yanks. Score 1 to us.

One-all draw, we both go home happy. There is NO extra time.
:dl:
Brilliant!

[jj]

Never seen so much bitching about nothing in my life...

I should be start having a go at my Italian friends because the Romans invaded Britian next I suppose. I mean I've never heard a damn apology from them.


Now come on, they left all those nice square building stones just north of Hexham for you to use later!

[Ryokan]

I should be start having a go at my Italian friends because the Romans invaded Britian next I suppose. I mean I've never heard a damn apology from them.

Yeah, what have the Romans ever done for us?

[Metullus]

Yeah, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Didn't they invent the orgy or something?

[Ryokan]

Didn't they invent the orgy or something?

Surely that was the Greeks, those perverts.

[Metullus]

Surely that was the Greeks, those perverts.
In which case we owe the Romans nothing.

[Hellbound]

In which case we owe the Romans nothing.

"Well, what about the roads?"
"Oh, yeah, the roads, but nothing else! They've done nothing else for us!"
"The education system?"
"Oh, yeah, there is that. Okay, roads and education, but nothign else!"
"THe wine. THere's good wine."
"Okay, the roads, the education system, and the wine, but other than that, what have the Romans done for us?"

(with apologies to Monty Python for my horrible paraphrase)

:D

[Metullus]

"Well, what about the roads?"
"Oh, yeah, the roads, but nothing else! They've done nothing else for us!"
"The education system?"
"Oh, yeah, there is that. Okay, roads and education, but nothign else!"
"THe wine. THere's good wine."
"Okay, the roads, the education system, and the wine, but other than that, what have the Romans done for us?"

(with apologies to Monty Python for my horrible paraphrase)

:D
If they did not give us orgies then nothing else matters.

[tsg]

If they did not give us orgies then nothing else matters.

Correction: If they did not give me orgies, then nothing else matters.

[Ceritus]

I think it is just his british humor, there is no way this brit could be serious.

[Soapy Sam]

OK. So we promise not to burn Washington again.

Now shut up already.

[Jeff Wagg]

OK. So we promise not to burn Washington again.
Actually....oh, nevermind.

[Chaos]

No, it's entirely the point. If its unacceptable for people to taunt Americans over American war defeats, German people over German war defeats then why is it open season on British people especially as we are meant to be allies?


To the contrary, my dear Diamond. It is deemed perfectly acceptable - indeed mandatory - to heap any kind of abuse on Germans over WW2 and related topics. At least by the usual bunch of right-wing jackasses... uh, sorry, I meant "esteemed forum members".

I should know, as I´m usually the target of that. And if I dare object, I´m a Nazi. It´s true. The esteemed forum members said so, so it must be true.

Speaking of Nazis, you Brits are a bit too much into the habit of making nasty Nazi jokes about Germans to be sticking your head out of the window on this issue.

[Metullus]

To the contrary, my dear Diamond. It is deemed perfectly acceptable - indeed mandatory - to heap any kind of abuse on Germans over WW2 and related topics. At least by the usual bunch of right-wing jackasses... uh, sorry, I meant "esteemed forum members".

I should know, as I´m usually the target of that. And if I dare object, I´m a Nazi. It´s true. The esteemed forum members said so, so it must be true.

Speaking of Nazis, you Brits are a bit too much into the habit of making nasty Nazi jokes about Germans to be sticking your head out of the window on this issue.
I, for one, have never made you the butt of a Nazi joke. Nor would I. But if I were to do so it would be a very good Nazi joke, and thus well worth the waste of band-width.

[CFLarsen]

No, it's entirely the point. If its unacceptable for people to taunt Americans over American war defeats, German people over German war defeats then why is it open season on British people especially as we are meant to be allies?
"Lindisfarne".

Eat my shorts, you Danegeld marks.

(Get a sense of humor...or humour, depending on your fancy....ya pansy...)

[jj]

OK. So we promise not to burn Washington again.


Hmm.

Remind be again, about that. :D

[Nyarlathotep]

To the contrary, my dear Diamond. It is deemed perfectly acceptable - indeed mandatory - to heap any kind of abuse on Germans over WW2 and related topics. At least by the usual bunch of right-wing jackasses... uh, sorry, I meant "esteemed forum members".


Can those of us who are jackasses but NOT right wing taunt you over other periods of history? Like that stunt you guys pulled on the Romans in the Teutoborg forest? That was just dirty pool.:p

[Chris Haynes]

OK. So we promise not to burn Washington again.

Now shut up already.

Well we seem to be having a decently damp spring, so the the undergrowth should not be as dry as last summer. So as long as you don't do anything silly like trying to burn your toilet paper while camping (this actually caused a nasty forest fire about 30 years ago by some East Coast college students who had read somewhere that it was what one did when camping in the north woods!) or other silly things that cause fires, you should be okay.

Oh, wait... you meant the other Washington.

Well, then... nevermind.

[De_Bunk]

Whaddya reckon the chances of me being sarcastic are...????


:D


DB

[UnrepentantSinner]

We here in the U.S. only have 3 categories of other country:

1. Those we are bombing/have invaded or will bomb/invade.
2. Those that make products for us to buy (and not just the cheap stuff).
3. Those we cannot locate on a map or spell the name of and thus don't care.

Diplomacy is a cake walk when you have this sort of Weltanschauung.

[Chaos]

I, for one, have never made you the butt of a Nazi joke. Nor would I. But if I were to do so it would be a very good Nazi joke, and thus well worth the waste of band-width.


I wasn´t talking about you. I was talking about... other posters. I´d state their names here, but whenever I do that, Darat moves my posts to where nobody can read them.


We here in the U.S. only have 3 categories of other country:

1. Those we are bombing/have invaded or will bomb/invade.
2. Those that make products for us to buy (and not just the cheap stuff).
3. Those we cannot locate on a map or spell the name of and thus don't care.

Diplomacy is a cake walk when you have this sort of Weltanschauung.


But... all countries in categories 1 and 2 also fall into category 3.


Can those of us who are jackasses but NOT right wing taunt you over other periods of history? Like that stunt you guys pulled on the Romans in the Teutoborg forest? That was just dirty pool.:xtongue


You can try... :D But be very careful... luring arrogant, overconfident imperialists into their dooms is in our genes... :D

[Doubt]

Whaddya reckon the chances of me being sarcastic are...????


:D


DB

Well then make it more clear next time then!

Hey, I have heard all that crap from people who were not being sarcastic before. .....and stuff......

[Doubt]

OK. So we promise not to burn Washington again.

Now shut up already.

The troops that did the deed were from Canada.

[ImaginalDisc]

The troops that did the deed were from Canada.

...which was still part of the Brittish empire at the time.

[UnrepentantSinner]

But... all countries in categories 1 and 2 also fall into category 3.

This is not true and I cite 2 examples:

1. Burkina Faso neither makes anything we want to purchase not can Americans find it on the map does not need to be bombed/invaded... yet.

2. Germany, located south of Denmark, east of Holland, Belgium and France, north of Switzerland and Austria and west of Poland makes Mercedes and Toblerone and hasn't needed to be bombed since 1945... yes.

I lived in Tehran, Iran for 2 and 1/2 years mein freund, your steotypes won't work on me. But they will work on my fellow ignorant countrymen so continue with them while I move to lurk mode and offer this smilie. ;)

[jj]

Whaddya reckon the chances of me being sarcastic are...????


:D


DB


Oh? You?

Zeeeeroooooo. Zip. You'd never, ever, never, even consider being scarcastic. Reeeealllyyyy! Neeeever! :p

[Chaos]

This is not true and I cite 2 examples:

1. Burkina Faso neither makes anything we want to purchase not can Americans find it on the map does not need to be bombed/invaded... yet.

2. Germany, located south of Denmark, east of Holland, Belgium and France, north of Switzerland and Austria and west of Poland makes Mercedes and Toblerone and hasn't needed to be bombed since 1945... yes.

I lived in Tehran, Iran for 2 and 1/2 years mein freund, your steotypes won't work on me. But they will work on my fellow ignorant countrymen so continue with them while I move to lurk mode and offer this smilie. ;)

It is quite simple, mein Freund: since it appears you can find Germany on a map, you can, logically, not be an American. :p
On the other hand, Toblerone is made in Switzerland, which means you´re ignorant, so you probably are an American, after all... :cool:

[Metullus]

I wasn´t talking about you. I was talking about... other posters. I´d state their names here, but whenever I do that, Darat moves my posts to where nobody can read them.
Well, when you are not talking about me you should preface your remarks with: "Metullus, I am not talking about you..." so that I can be confident that you are not, in fact, talking about me. I am very sensitive to criticism, don't you know.

But I feel better now.

[Metullus]

It is quite simple, mein Freund: since it appears you can find Germany on a map, you can, logically, not be an American. :p
I not only can find Germany on a map, but, need I remind you, I have actually made my way there. And I am an American. Your reasoning is therefore flawed.

At least I think I am American. Lemme check my passport again...

On the other hand, Toblerone is made in Switzerland,...
Considering that you are recognized in my family as THE AUTHORITY on chocolate I will never take issue with you on such a point.

[delphi_ote]

Whaddya reckon the chances of me being sarcastic are...????


:D


DB
p(sarcasm|De_Bunk)=1

Sorry I ever doubted you! :D

[Chaos]

I not only can find Germany on a map, but, need I remind you, I have actually made my way there. And I am an American. Your reasoning is therefore flawed.

At least I think I am American. Lemme check my passport again...

Getting to Germany is far easier than finding it on a map. You only need to get to the airport, and board a plane, whose pilot has had a European explain the way to him veeeery slooooowly.:)


Considering that you are recognized in my family as THE AUTHORITY on chocolate I will never take issue with you on such a point.

Good. Good. So you are indeed able to learn.

[Metullus]

Getting to Germany is far easier than finding it on a map. You only need to get to the airport, and board a plane, whose pilot has had a European explain the way to him veeeery slooooowly.:)



Good. Good. So you are indeed able to learn.
Don't you have some studying to do, or something?

[tsg]

I not only can find Germany on a map, but, need I remind you, I have actually made my way there. And I am an American. Your reasoning is therefore flawed.

But you're not a True AmericanTM.

[Metullus]

But you're not a True AmericanTM.
I try to be. Plus I have a membership card.

[De_Bunk]

Guys...

Never forget...

I am "De_Bunk"...

People have always had to 'work out' what i really mean...and i like it that way...

:D

I'm lovely but probably insane...You lot ain't lovely...but...

DB

[Kimpatsu]

...which was still part of the Brittish empire at the time.
...and still is. Only now it's called the Commonwealth. Just ask John Howard; he invited Queen Liz to open the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney.

[Chaos]

Don't you have some studying to do, or something?

Spring Break :p

[Suezoled]

To the contrary, my dear Diamond. It is deemed perfectly acceptable - indeed mandatory - to heap any kind of abuse on Germans over WW2 and related topics. At least by the usual bunch of right-wing jackasses... uh, sorry, I meant "esteemed forum members".

I should know, as I´m usually the target of that. And if I dare object, I´m a Nazi. It´s true. The esteemed forum members said so, so it must be true.

Speaking of Nazis, you Brits are a bit too much into the habit of making nasty Nazi jokes about Germans to be sticking your head out of the window on this issue.

I hate to point this out, Chaos, but I never did make a Nazi joke about you. I know you're sadly disappointed. I didn't realize you had those expectations of Americans. On the other hand, I'm adopted, and first generation immigrant, so maybe you'll forgive me the slow uptake on making Nazi jokes. Nevermind that if you were a Nazi, you'd be about 50+ years too late. I mean, I get lost easily and I'm late, but whhoooo! that's LATE boy howdy it is! (or something)

Umm....how many Nazis does it take to change a light bulb? I dunno, but if Chaos were a Nazi, he'd probably be hiding the Jewish/Gypsy/non-white/ and/or gay/Catholic/Bill Mahar fans who are electricians in his attic to protect them from harm. Which would result in NO light bulbs being changed by other than Nazis! Which would slow down production to a crawl because no one would be able to see! So therefore, Chaos was responsible for the fall of the Nazi party BEFORE HE WAS EVEN BORN!!!

...wow that was really really bad.

Um, what was the subject of this thread?

[Kiless]

Um, what was the subject of this thread?

I think it was about blaming Hal or something... buggered if I know...

[Chaos]

I hate to point this out, Chaos, but I never did make a Nazi joke about you. I know you're sadly disappointed. I didn't realize you had those expectations of Americans. On the other hand, I'm adopted, and first generation immigrant, so maybe you'll forgive me the slow uptake on making Nazi jokes. Nevermind that if you were a Nazi, you'd be about 50+ years too late. I mean, I get lost easily and I'm late, but whhoooo! that's LATE boy howdy it is! (or something)

Umm....how many Nazis does it take to change a light bulb? I dunno, but if Chaos were a Nazi, he'd probably be hiding the Jewish/Gypsy/non-white/ and/or gay/Catholic/Bill Mahar fans who are electricians in his attic to protect them from harm. Which would result in NO light bulbs being changed by other than Nazis! Which would slow down production to a crawl because no one would be able to see! So therefore, Chaos was responsible for the fall of the Nazi party BEFORE HE WAS EVEN BORN!!!

...wow that was really really bad.

Um, what was the subject of this thread?

I wasn´t talking about you, either, dear Suezoled. And, while I have indeed encountered lamer jokes than yours, I cannot recall how long ago that was...

Oh, and, by the way, I didn´t actually say Americans make stupid Nazi jokes; I said right-wing jackasses did. Americans are completely ignorant about the rest of the world. ;)

[CFLarsen]

Spring Break :p
I dunno about Germany, but do you have any idea what goes on during Spring Break in the US? :D

[ImaginalDisc]

...and still is. Only now it's called the Commonwealth. Just ask John Howard; he invited Queen Liz to open the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney.

Yeah, but the Commonwealth is a pale shadow of the Empire.

[Metullus]

Spring Break :p
Nonsense. Spring never comes to Frankfurt.

It's true! :)

[Chris Haynes]

I dunno about Germany, but do you have any idea what goes on during Spring Break in the US? :D

Well, for one 15 year old in my house it involved playing World of Warcraft online for over 12 hours a day!

[LostAngeles]

I dunno about Germany, but do you have any idea what goes on during Spring Break in the US? :D

I was naked during mine. I did some stuff. I played some games. I restudied series... *blech*

[Kimpatsu]

Spring Break :p
I didn't know it was that fragile. :D

[CFLarsen]

I was naked during mine. I did some stuff. I played some games. I restudied series... *blech*
Please back up your claim with evidence.