«New World Order» vs «Jihad», true meaning of these words?

[Pardalis]

These two words or expressions seem to convey alot of fear and paranoia these days and I was curious of finding their true meaning.

I'm sure «New world order» in 17 century English doesn't necesserally mean what the consiracy theorists want us to believe it means in 2006, and that in the Quran, «Jihad» I'm sure doesn't necesserally means Holly-war-on-everything-non-muslim as the extremists use for their propaganda.

Does anybody have references or links to reputable experts on the matter?

[senorpogo]

The Oxford English Dictionary defines "new world order" as -

A new or alternative model of social organization, interaction, or control; (Polit.) a new balance of power among nations, sometimes as manifested in arrangements established internationally for preserving political stability; esp. (in recent use) the state of global politics and the global economy following the end of the Cold War.

It appears that it was originally used by J.P. Bailey in his work Festus in 1852. "Ye are all nations, I a single soul. Yet shall this new world order outlast all."

[Sultanist]

I think you'll find the modern usage (conspiracy theory usage) of the phrase "new world order" (lower case) originated when Poppy Bush's speechwriter included it in his in 91 State of the Union address.

What is at stake is more than one small country [Kuwait], it is a big idea - a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle, and worthy of our children's future.

A year later Pat Robertson published this book and it then transmogrified into New World Order (upper case)...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0849933943/sr=8-2/qid=1144526737/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-7201023-9366269?%5Fencoding=UTF8

And the rest as they say is history. Well a big load of BS anyway.

[Sultanist]

It has now transmogrified even further. Tinfoilers now refer to it not just as a concept but as an entity. Similiar to "The Iluminatti".

[Manny]

The New World Order were Scott Hall, Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan in the WCW.

[trvlr2]

Pard- check this-http://www.ict.org.il/articles/jihad.htm

Language is fluid in that definitions are constantly changing. About the best one can do , is to look at the sources,listen to the current usage, then try to absorb the gist of it all.

[VonNeumann]

It is funny to me that someone thinks "New World Order" is recent and goes only to "poppy Bush". Look on the back of a $1 US bill and notice the Pyramid and the words "Novus Ordo Seclorum". This means "New Worldly Order" or "New Secular Order". Notice the circle on the left side and the circle on the right side of the $1 bill are opposite sides of the Great Seal.

All the stuff about this and the Illuminati, the Freemasons, etc is available for you to read if you google. I'm not CT expert, for sure.

[Pardalis]

It is funny to me that someone thinks "New World Order" is recent and goes only to "poppy Bush".

I hope you don't think that «someone» is me, otherwise I suggest you read more carefully.

Look on the back of a $1 US bill and notice the Pyramid and the words "Novus Ordo Seclorum". This means "New Worldly Order" or "New Secular Order". Notice the circle on the left side and the circle on the right side of the $1 bill are opposite sides of the Great Seal.

That's my point. People today attribute it to the Bush administrations (Sr. and Jr.), that's why I asked what was the true meaning of the expression back when it was first used. The meaning of words tend to change over centuries and I'm not sure «New World Order» meant «Rule the World» back in Washington's days.