9/11 Oops, I did it again. I can't post, banned? [Archive]

RandFan

8th April 2006, 02:29 PM

delphi_ote,Apr 8 2006, 10:39 AM :
What rules did he violate? What did he do wrong?

FM258,Apr 8 2006, 03:43 PM :
I suspended him for 48 hrs, and I sent him an email saying why.

RandFan @ Apr 8 2006, 01:23 PM

Would you please re-send the email message? To date I have not received it. To date I do not know why any action was taken against me.

1.) I never used fowl language.
2.) I never personally attacked anyone (though others did attack me).
3.) I never engaged in fallacy.
4.) When asked to watch a video or read a link I did.
5.) I am an honest and sincere person. Disagreement is not grounds to call someone a liar. Gut instinct is not a logically valid reason to make unwarranted assumptions.
6.) Reasonable people can disagree.
7.) Unreasonable people ban others who dissent (so much for complaints of the US government wishing to silence people).

So, I wont post a picture of pinochio as an aspersion against you (as you or another mod did to me) simply because I never recieved said email. It's plausible that it got lost in the system or that you used the wrong email address.

I'm sure that email is handy in your "sent" folder. Please resend, oh, better yet, copy and paste it in this thread. I think that would be appropriate in light of the fact that what I believe was an arbitrary and capricious act is the source of discussion on another forum. Let's be above board.

FM258 @ Apr 8 2006, 03:43 PM

Resend it to you??? When you get your acct suspended, that doesnt mean you open another account. http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/thumbdown.gif

Above board?? Please dont insult my intelligence. You are here as a disruption and nothing more, you have shown that you have no interest in getting to the truth, just here to aggravate and inflame serious debate. You and others like you will be pulled from this board like weeds.

And dont tell me what I should or shouldnt do. What the hell are you talking about? I asked if you would resend the email. I never received it. What the hell does that have to do with opening another account? You either sent me this email or you didn't. If you did then why won't you post it or resend it. I didn't tell you what to do I asked.

bob_kark

8th April 2006, 02:37 PM

What the hell are you talking about? I asked if you would resend the email. I never received it. What the hell does that have to do with opening another account? You either sent me this email or you didn't. If you did then why won't you post it or resend it. I didn't tell you what to do I asked.

Wow, that was Clintonesque.

delphi_ote

8th April 2006, 02:50 PM

Ducky

8th April 2006, 05:01 PM

1.) I never used fowl language.

Good cause I would have charged royalties.

rjh01

8th April 2006, 05:28 PM

Randfan
What are you trying to do? Set a record for the number of forums you can be banned in without good reason?

Zep

8th April 2006, 06:04 PM

Regnad Kcin

8th April 2006, 06:16 PM

Careful, RF, remember your blood pressure...

RandFan

8th April 2006, 07:28 PM

Randfan, perhaps in your travels about the woo-forums and your subsequent reporting here, you might actually tell us WHICH forums they are you getting summarily tossed out of? This is like hearing the scores but not knowing what the sport is...Sorry, it's the same forum. Loose Change (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idx). I was banned after I joined in two days. I was reinstated and now my posting privileges have been rescinded.

shemp

8th April 2006, 10:42 PM

1.) I never used fowl language.

That's a lie! I heard you cluck like a chicken!

rjh01

9th April 2006, 12:38 AM

I found one of your posts there. It says Ranfan is 'unregistered.'

I also note that the was only setup early this year. I predict it will not last the year.

RandFan

9th April 2006, 01:09 AM

FM258 (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showuser=864)

I wont even waste my time debating anyone who thinks Oswald scored that headshot. If you want to claim victory over me, go ahead. The autopsy pictures were faked to make the exit wound look like an entry wound. There was a long series on A&E about this a few years ago.

Look at the Zapruder film, some people are so easily led by the nose. What a coward. He posts this crap and then takes away my posting privelages.

Oh and check this out.

I Just Got Banned From Letsroll Forum! (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1889)

Apparently if you join Commander Phil's letsroll forum, you are NOT ALLOWED to even mention of the "blasphamous" "no-plane" theory anymore. And don't even think about questioning his beloved "a drone 767, with a pod underneath, fired a missile into the South Tower a fraction of a second before hitting it" theory or you'll be BANNED!!!

Apparently you have to believe 100% with him http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/worthy.gif ...or else. http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/nono.gif

This is too bad. I heard rumors about him doing things like this. Censoring people who don't share your beliefs on 9/11 is bad for the truth movement.

Phil, don't alienate people who don't agree 100% with you!!! What if you are wrong about your "pod/missile" theory

It seems that banning other people is wrong unless Loose Change is doing it. Read the responses. Banning is proof of something...ah what is it proof of when you folks do it?

That's a question I wish someone would ask.

pjh

9th April 2006, 05:11 AM

Zep

9th April 2006, 05:59 AM

Sorry, it's the same forum. Loose Change (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=idx). I was banned after I joined in two days. I was reinstated and now my posting privileges have been rescinded.Ah ha. :rolleyes: Thanks for that.

Yes, I did read up on the gone-in-two-days saga, and it would seem this latest fillip is a sign of impending implosion there. I suspect only one or two "like-minded" chumps will be allowed to post eventually, making it a veritable underground bunker of self-absorbed nuttiness.

Hey, here's an idea for a head-game with them! Register as a new name (yeah, I know - sock-puppetting stinks, but in this case who gives a toss), and post stuff that is totally pro their ideas but even MORE wacko and off the planet than they are! Bring in all the far out conspiracy theories you can recall - Waco, Heaven's Gate, the Illuminati, Von Daniken, full-on fundie Christianity, etc, etc. See if they will have the sphericals to ban absolute nutters, or if the only inclusive criteria is to agree with their POV. A game the whole family can play! :D ;)

casebro

9th April 2006, 08:37 AM

Yea well I heard that the Loose change forum is actually run by a branch of the US government, to keep track on who's looking too closely as particular topics. They need to keep the thing open (and thus ban closed minds) so as to encourage the masses to post.

Well that's what I heard

The same voices that old you that told me that the drone 747 was fueled with acetylene and liquid oxygen. How else could the fires get so hot to melt steel?

The other tower was downed by a hijacked UFO. It's plasma-fueled anti-inertia system has enough energy to cut through ANYTHING. If they didn't have anti-inertia systems, the impact alone would have knocked the tower over instead of cumpling into it's own basement. Them hijackers are plenty smart. Getting themselves obducted just to take over the ship...Of course the autopsies were faked to hide the implants. And the UFO's cloaking was set to 747 to make them look like aircraft...

The voices also told me what fun it is to make up stories about what the voices told me especially if I include the bit about what fun it is to make up stories about the voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about ERRRKKK.... I hate it when the drugs start wearing off.

hurdygurdy

9th April 2006, 02:53 PM

Gravy's brilliant debunking of Steve Jones just got the predictable result (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1765&st=150&#entry3204816):

Gravy,

In another time we might have spent more time with you but time is of the essence now and you've wasted far too much of it and have upset regular members with less than honest debate.

You are banned.

Zep

9th April 2006, 06:02 PM

Heh. Others on the forum are protesting the banning! TheQuest, as Admin, is starting to look a mite lonely out there on his own...

RandFan

9th April 2006, 06:22 PM

Heh. Others on the forum are protesting the banning! TheQuest, as Admin, is starting to look a mite lonely out there on his own...I can't find it, where is it?

RandFan

9th April 2006, 07:18 PM

I can't find it, where is it?Found it, thanks Zep.

Sultanist

9th April 2006, 10:12 PM

RandFan

9th April 2006, 10:40 PM

I just read chipmunk's thread (now closed) asking why gravy was banned.
In that thread there was some mention of posters insulting other posters with foul language as maybe that being grounds for the ban.
I'm not sure I understand that. A couple of days ago Roxdog replied to me and told me I was "a piece of "s**t" and filth". And Roxdog seems to still be registered.OH, there is simply no questiont that there is a double standard. To date I have not recieved an explanation as to why I was first banned. And I was told to cool it while others where attacking me and failing to use any logical argument.

Gravy

9th April 2006, 11:29 PM

I just read chipmunk's thread (now closed) asking why gravy was banned.
In that thread there was some mention of posters insulting other posters with foul language as maybe that being grounds for the ban.
I'm not sure I understand that. A couple of days ago Roxdog replied to me and told me I was "a piece of "s**t" and filth". And Roxdog seems to still be registered.

Exactly. And Alek got a 2-day suspension for his tirade, not a ban. I never used foul language, beyond calling Steven Jones a scummy fraud. The admins say they banned someone else but didn't give a name. It's possible that someone was banned for posting pictures of stacks of pancakes (as in pancaked buildings) on my thread.

Zep

9th April 2006, 11:55 PM

Obviously reality, logic and reason are not resources required or used in that arena.

Although I'd still like to register and then be a SUPER-conspiracy-theorist on their forum! ;)

rjh01

10th April 2006, 12:15 AM

Why do you not do so? I have already registered, but not yet posted. Imagine the chaos we could cause. Attack everything in sight.

kmortis

10th April 2006, 06:49 AM

The same voices that old you that told me that the drone 747 was fueled with acetylene and liquid oxygen. How else could the fires get so hot to melt steel?

The other tower was downed by a hijacked UFO. It's plasma-fueled anti-inertia system has enough energy to cut through ANYTHING. If they didn't have anti-inertia systems, the impact alone would have knocked the tower over instead of cumpling into it's own basement. Them hijackers are plenty smart. Getting themselves obducted just to take over the ship...Of course the autopsies were faked to hide the implants. And the UFO's cloaking was set to 747 to make them look like aircraft...

The voices also told me what fun it is to make up stories about what the voices told me especially if I include the bit about what fun it is to make up stories about the voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about voices telling me to make up fun stories about ERRRKKK.... I hate it when the drugs start wearing off.
The problem with doing this is that they're liekly to believe all that crap. I recall Robert Anton Wilson stating (I think in Cosmic Trigger Vol. 2) that when he and Robert Shea wrote "The Illuminatus! Triliogy" they dropped acid, smoked pot and tried to come up with the most unbelievable crap that they could.

And then people wrote them letters asking them how they "knew all the secret information" and aren't they "afraid that the Seekret Masters" would get to them. They also got accused of BEING the Seekret Masters.

When the basis of your theory is the absence of information being a confirming datum, you will be led to strange areas.

Kimpatsu

10th April 2006, 06:51 AM

That's a lie! I heard you cluck like a chicken!
That's joke's a real turkey.

Upchurch

10th April 2006, 07:50 AM

I was just looking at Gravy's banning thread. Just while I was reading, Pablo added a smilie face bump and FM258 removed it.

Apparently, there isn't much in the way of a sense of humor over there.

Kochanski

10th April 2006, 08:08 AM

I was just looking at Gravy's banning thread. Just while I was reading, Pablo added a smilie face bump and FM258 removed it.

Apparently, there isn't much in the way of a sense of humor over there.

Either that or they are just little boys getting off on the power that they have in their little world. I say leave them to it, let them feel big and important to the few people who will put up with their carp.

Let them be legends in their own minds, it will be a lonely existence for them if they continue to ban people, suspend people and edit people.

chipmunk stew

10th April 2006, 08:09 AM

I was just looking at Gravy's banning thread. Just while I was reading, Pablo added a smilie face bump and FM258 removed it.

Apparently, there isn't much in the way of a sense of humor over there.I guess I would have a hard time finding much to laugh about if I thought we were all headed for FEMA camps (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2053).

kookbreaker

10th April 2006, 08:15 AM

Either that or they are just little boys getting off on the power that they have in their little world. I say leave them to it, let them feel big and important to the few people who will put up with their carp.

Let them be legends in their own minds, it will be a lonely existence for them if they continue to ban people, suspend people and edit people.

You gotta love people who claim to be fighting a bigbad evil and yet demonstrate that they are much worse human beings than those they claim to fight.

Manny

10th April 2006, 08:29 AM

delphi_ote

10th April 2006, 08:35 AM

OK, that's just too funny. FEMA can't even get people into FEMA camps when they want to go!
:dl:

Upchurch

10th April 2006, 08:51 AM

I guess I would have a hard time finding much to laugh about if I thought we were all headed for FEMA camps (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2053).
So, looking at the video, the description says that the footage also features black helicopters and trains. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the term "black" mean "unmarked"? Is a black train supposed to have "USAF" written on its side? And helicoptor was so far off, I don't know how they could tell if it was unmarked.

As for the camp itself, it looked all the world like a factory on a Sunday. In fact, I've been to factories with more security than what I was seeing there.

RandFan

10th April 2006, 09:09 AM

So, looking at the video, the description says that the footage also features black helicopters and trains. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the term "black" mean "unmarked"? Is a black train supposed to have "USAF" written on its side? And helicoptor was so far off, I don't know how they could tell if it was unmarked.

As for the camp itself, it looked all the world like a factory on a Sunday. In fact, I've been to factories with more security than what I was seeing there.I love how she makes a big deal of the security measures. Security camera, chain link fence topped with barbbed wire. "Unusual since this is a low crime area".

I'm sorry but that is simply BS. Facilities in low crime areas get robbed or vandalized. When was the fence built?

chipmunk stew

10th April 2006, 11:32 AM

I love how she makes a big deal of the security measures. Security camera, chain link fence topped with barbbed wire. "Unusual since this is a low crime area".

I'm sorry but that is simply BS. Facilities in low crime areas get robbed or vandalized. When was the fence built?I like how she says the radio tower would make a good watchtower.

Manny

10th April 2006, 11:43 AM

I can't run the video at work -- where does it allege to be?

ChristineR

10th April 2006, 12:10 PM

brodski

10th April 2006, 12:34 PM

It's video of an Amtrak station being set up for industrial loading and unloading and repair of trains. There is a large parking lot with a security camera, a warehouse that was recently renovated with central heating and a new floor, and fences that point inward to keep people off the railroad tracks.
Don't forget it also has "wind socks" for the black helicopters and "a radio mast with a ladder inside, which would make a great watch tower".
My god, i feel that I've lost about 30 IQ points in the 6 minuets it took to watch that video. I don't know how you dedicated anti-LC crusaders wade through this s:D t and keep your minds in tact.

chipmunk stew

10th April 2006, 12:39 PM

I don't know how you dedicated anti-LC crusaders wade through this s:D t and keep your minds in tact.I just pretend I'm watching The Daily Show.:D

Gravy

10th April 2006, 12:52 PM

Obviously reality, logic and reason are not resources required or used in that arena.

Although I'd still like to register and then be a SUPER-conspiracy-theorist on their forum! ;)

I actually gave them a very good conspiracy theory about how the WTC buildings collapsed, one that's much more sensible than their theory, and no one picked up on it.

I think it's important to them that any theory not make any sense at all, so your idea might work well, Zep. In the last few posts on my thread there, people were actually claiming that at least 80 floors of each tower were wired with enough explosives to turn the concrete to dust...160 acres of it. And WTC 7 was demolished "conventionally," as if that's just a little side job. And all that work was done the weekend before 9/11. And nobody saw it. And there was $160 billion in precious metals stored there. And only $430 was recovered. (Although the same person also claims that a dumptruck full of gold was found, and I suppose that would be worth more than $430.) And it was an inside job (I do remember seeing, on the directory board in the lobby of WTC 1, a listing for "Super Secret In-House Demolitions Squad – Basement level 6").

They refuse to check out the simplest fact unless someone is disagreeing with them., so lay it on 'em

SphereGuy

10th April 2006, 12:53 PM

Either that or they are just little boys getting off on the power that they have in their little world. I say leave them to it, let them feel big and important to the few people who will put up with their carp.

Let them be legends in their own minds, it will be a lonely existence for them if they continue to ban people, suspend people and edit people.

This immediately reminded me of my son. He was banned from a couple gaming sites and begged me to make a forum for him just so he could ban people. I had to have a long talk with him. Perhaps the owners of this site didn't have fathers that could explain how the world works to them.

Gravy

10th April 2006, 12:57 PM

You gotta love people who claim to be fighting a bigbad evil and yet demonstrate that they are much worse human beings than those they claim to fight.

Chipmunk's reply to TheQuest says it all:
Quest: "What are you sorry for?" (As if Chipmunk is supposed to be sorry for something)
Chipmunk: "I'm sorry you've turned into what you're fighting against."

brodski

10th April 2006, 12:59 PM

I just pretend I'm watching The Daily Show.:D :confused: as a non USAian I may need a translation of that.
(or I could just start a number of threads flying off the handle accusing you of blatant prejudice against all non-American subjects, see perceived slights against my nations history in everything you say, and blame it all on wikipedia whilst I'm at it... ;) )

chipmunk stew

10th April 2006, 01:04 PM

:confused: as a non USAian I may need a translation of that.[/size][/size]
(or I could just start a number of threads flying off the handle accusing you of blatant prejudice against all non-American subjects, see perceived slights against my nations history in everything you say, and blame it all on wikipedia whilst I'm at it... ;) )Oh, right, sorry. The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/index.jhtml
It's a fake news show. Great satire.

Gravy

10th April 2006, 01:04 PM

:confused: as a non USAian I may need a translation of that.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
(or I could just start a number of threads flying off the handle accusing you of blatant prejudice against all non-American subjects, see perceived slights against my nations history in everything you say, and blame it all on wikipedia whilst I'm at it... ;) )

The Daily Show is a very funny, satirical mock-news show, starring Jon Stewart. He hosted the Academy Awards this year. Actually I shouldn't call it mock-news. They just point out the absurdity of the real news, especially in U.S. politics.

brodski

10th April 2006, 01:06 PM

The Daily Show is a very funny, satirical mock-news show, starring Jon Stewart. He hosted the Academy Awards this year. Actually I shouldn't call it mock-news. They just point out the absurdity of the real news, especially in U.S. politics.

Oh, right, sorry. The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/index.jhtml
It's a fake news show. Great satire.

thanks.

Manny

10th April 2006, 01:06 PM

non-American subjectsJust couldn't resist calling us "subjects," could you, John Bull? :D

kookbreaker

10th April 2006, 01:08 PM

Chipmunk's reply to TheQuest says it all:
Quest: "What are you sorry for?" (As if Chipmunk is supposed to be sorry for something)
Chipmunk: "I'm sorry you've turned into what you're fighting against."

On the BAUT they've been covering 9/11 conspiracy stuff for a while, although mostly against the 'Scholars for 911 truth; (who were recently taken in by an April Fools joke article). Anyway, Spitfire IX summed up my disgust and disdain quite well in this post: (http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=721832&postcount=1187)

It frankly makes me ill that you claim to be risking your life in a "noble" cause, when so many risked, and lost, their lives on September 11 in attempting to save the lives of others. Possibly feeling that you're fighting the insidious, all-powerful (and nonexistent) conspiracy makes you feel brave. And, as Yodaluver28 pointed out, there's nothing noble or morally courageous in accusing those with whom you have political disagreements of mass murder and conspiracy with no real evidence, or in accusing those who quite legitimately question your theories of being disinformation agents or dupes.

<...>

However, my real problem with your organization is that you and other conspiracists promote an extremely twisted worldview that discourages people from practicing responsible citizenship. After all, why should anyone bother to vote if the elections are all rigged, and both major political parties are conspiring to support a system that's hopelessly corrupt? Why should anyone speak out against government policy if they may be killed for doing so? You don't like Bush or the Republicans? All well and good--you're far from alone. Rather than promote conspiracy theories that are demonstrably fatally flawed, why don't you stick to verifiable facts? Bush's popularity is at an all-time low--surely well-reasoned, factual arguments against his policies will find a large and receptive audience. Don't like the Democrats either? Then join a minor political party, or start your own. Why don't you go register like-minded people to vote--or donate money or time to candidates whose positions you support? Come to that, why don't you run for office yourself, if you're so concerned with making a difference?

brodski

10th April 2006, 01:11 PM

Just couldn't resist calling us "subjects," could you, John Bull? :D Last time I was over there I just referred to you lot as "bloody colonials" and had done with it. :p
For some reason I haven't dared go back since. :boxedin:

rjh01

11th April 2006, 02:46 AM

This movie was made in 1995. For proof look at the 1.55 - 2.03 minutes.

This facility was supposed to have closed in June 1993 ... spent on renovations over the past 2 years.

Made by a hand help camera by a person who does not have much knowledge of cameras. Edited by people who do not do much editing.

Edited to add - I am talking about the FEMA camps in post 28.

RandFan

11th April 2006, 09:13 PM

strathmeyer

11th April 2006, 09:45 PM

delphi_ote

11th April 2006, 09:47 PM

Things are actually going well for me at the moment. I don't know how long it will last but people are being fair to me. It's really unfortunate about those who have been suspended or banned. I have PM'd an admin but haven't had a reply yet.
I should be along soon, RandFan. I'm not banned, but I've got tons of real life homework and research to do. I did work out some very simple physics while in the shower the other day that utterly demolishes the whole "free fall" argument.

Not sure if anyone will actually listen, but it's two equations (kenetic energy and velocity in free fall,) 3 numbers (height, mass, and number of stories,) and the result is utter nonsense (Twin Towers falling at free fall would cause something like a 5.0 earthquake in New York and would release the same amount of energy as the atom bomb dropped on Nagasaki.)

RandFan

11th April 2006, 10:09 PM

I should be along soon, RandFan. I'm not banned, but I've got tons of real life homework and research to do. I did work out some very simple physics while in the shower the other day that utterly demolishes the whole "free fall" argument. I worked out some physics in the shower the other day also, or was it biology. ;)

Not sure if anyone will actually listen, but it's two equations (kenetic energy and velocity in free fall,) 3 numbers (height, mass, and number of stories,) and the result is utter nonsense (Twin Towers falling at free fall would cause something like a 5.0 earthquake in New York and would release the same amount of energy as the atom bomb dropped on Nagasaki.)Cool, it will have the same effect as telling 3rd graders but it should be told.

Belz...

12th April 2006, 05:46 AM

I should be along soon, RandFan. I'm not banned, but I've got tons of real life homework and research to do. I did work out some very simple physics while in the shower the other day that utterly demolishes the whole "free fall" argument.

Not sure if anyone will actually listen, but it's two equations (kenetic energy and velocity in free fall,) 3 numbers (height, mass, and number of stories,) and the result is utter nonsense (Twin Towers falling at free fall would cause something like a 5.0 earthquake in New York and would release the same amount of energy as the atom bomb dropped on Nagasaki.)

Post a link once you're done.

Upchurch

12th April 2006, 09:14 AM

Things are actually going well for me at the moment. I don't know how long it will last but people are being fair to me.
Y'know, it's funny. I've been messing around on Rapture Ready from time to time and once you get past the totally irrational frenzied types, you really can have civil and productive debate. I've found it to be really rather refreshing.

Not that I have a prayer (pardon the pun) of swaying anyone to my perspective, but I've found it enjoyable nonetheless.

And, delphi_ote, do please post the link when you're done. I'd like to see it, too.