The Death Star Destruction was an Inside Job!

[kookbreaker]

These are questions and points that the so-called 'Empire' or the alleged 'Rebellion' cannot answer!

A long time ago in a Galaxy far away most of us saw the Death Star being destroyed. We all heard or saw much of the tale. But since that time several lingering FACTS have come out to make us doubt 'The Official Story'

1) No Death Star was ever destroyed in the manner seen. Entropy tells us that the Death Star should have sat around for a long time, until falling into a Black Hole.

2) The 'Chain Reaction Photon Torpedo' theory is absurd and has no basis in fact! A Hut mechanic has being quoted as saying that the only way such an explosion could have happened is if someone threw a wrench into the power core!

3) The alleged 'target' for the 'Chain Reaction' to start was no bigger than 2 meters! Simply an impossible target.

4) The Death Star, according to its specifications, was supposed to have sufficient firepower to fend off an entire fleet of warships. Yet somehow a handful of obsolete fighters were able to dance around on its surface?!!!!

5) Several reports were heard of 'earlier explosions' happening on the Death Star. Claims that these were results of other Photon Torpedoes do not make sense! Obviously the Death Star was destroyed with planted explosives placed in the walls when the thing was built.

6) Conveniently, the man second only to the Emporer himself was stationed a the Death Star. Yet he conveniently is 'out in a TIE Fighter' when the place blows up! Since when do our leaders fly in barely armored fighters!!!!!!!!? Some months later the same leader kills several Imperial Commanders who obviously asked too many questions!

7) A Freighter backup co-pilot claimed that flying in the 'approach trench' as hypothsised by the Imperial WTFJH comittee is 'impossible'. The trench, as seen in photos was obviously too narrow to fly anything in and is filled with TurboLasers in case anyone tries to do it!

8) The aforementioned Leader, as documents reveal, is actually the FATHER of the 'General S.' credited with destroying the Death Star!! Coincidence?!

9) Even more stunning is that merely days, or perhaps HOURS before the destruction of the Death Star, said 'General S' was actually ON THE DEATH STAR!!!!

10) Other sources indicate that 'General S' had no formal training as a pilot!!! He was described back at his planet of origin as being a 'dreamy kid, reckless, and always wanting to make his speeder go faster! Hardly the qualifications needed to perform such a task.

11) There was only one known survivor for the Empire and less than Half a dozen for the 'Rebellion'. Obviously both have been at work killing any potential whistleblowers!

12) Mere months after the destruction of the First Death Star, another one is suddenly in place!! It would seem that the Galaxyists plan these things in advance!!!

13) The Emporer, when getting news of the destruction, was at a Clone Training base, intimidating young clones into proper behavior. When informed, he continued to intimidate the youngsters and all the others in the area! Obviously he must have known in advance what would happen!!!

14) In another convenient 'coincidence' it turns out that the 'General S' and The Imperial Leader who survived both knew and work with the same person: A 'General K'.



OK, this is starting to hurt now. I'll let others add to the list

[hurdygurdy]

Gee, all these facts debunk the official movie. Well, what could you expect from the guy who was behind "Howard the Duck"?

[Nyarlathotep]

15) Later records indicate that the plans for the Death Star fell into the hands of the rebellion inside of a droid that had once been owned by the Empires #2 man, in the company of another droid BUILT by the Empires #2 man, and accompanied by a message from his daughter!

[Manny]

16) Some reports place a freighter known to belong to a known smuggler in the vicinity of not one, but BOTH death star "explosions." What, or WHO, was he smuggling in or out of those Death Stars?

[Nyarlathotep]

17) General S. Was seen by several eyewitnesses to give the aforementioned droids as "gifts" to a notorious Hutt Gangster just before the second Death Star became operational. The gangster was killed in a supsicious "sailbarge accident" shortly thereafter. What were they trying to cover up?

[Metullus]

18) Both General S. and the No. 2 man in the Empire were, or had been, members of an elite secret society calling themselves "Jedi Knights".

[Nyarlathotep]

19) The official story of the destruction of the second Death Star makes no more sense than the first. How did a small tribe of furry Ewoks overcome a batatlion of crack Imperial Stormtroopers, who not only had blasters but were reknowned for their shooting acuracy?

20) General S.' wherabouts cannot be accounted for between his appearance at the Battle of Hoth and his role in the desctruction of the second Death Star. Some sources put him on Bespin.....MEETING WITH HIS FATHER!

[Manny]

21) The smuggler was involved in an altercation at the Mos Isley SpacePort just days before being seen at the scene of the first Death Star "explosion." Witness reports were unanimous that he wantonly murdered his companion. Yet the video indicates that he was fired upon and only fired back in self defense! What power is manipulating those video tapes or those witnesses?

[UrsulaV]

19) The official story of the destruction of the second Death Star makes no more sense than the first. How did a small tribe of furry Ewoks overcome a batatlion of crack Imperial Stormtroopers, who not only had blasters but were reknowned for their shooting acuracy?

I've always felt this was the weakest part of the official version, and expresses the total contempt of the galaxists for the intelligence of the public. A child could see the holes in this logic, and yet we are expected to swallow this tripe?

Worse yet, many of the videos of the explosion of the Death Star now appear to have been heavily doctored after the fact!

[senorpogo]

I think you need to edit your post to fully convey the seriousness of this conspiracy. Also, needs more links. Something like this maybe?

These are questions and points that the so-called 'Empire' or the alleged 'Rebellion' cannot answer!

A long time ago in a Galaxy far away most of us saw the Death Star being destroyed. We all heard or saw much of the tale. But since that time several lingering FACTS have come out to make us doubt 'The Official Story'

1) No Death Star was ever destroyed in the manner seen. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_star) Entropy tells us that the Death Star should have sat around for a long time, until falling into a Black Hole.

OK, this is starting to hurt now. I'll let others add to the list

[senorpogo]

Wikipedia notes that the Death Star looks strikingly similar to a moon of Saturn (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Mimas_deathstar.jpg). That seems HIGHLY suspicious.

[hurdygurdy]

22) The Rebels' spiritual leader, Yoda, hasn't been seen in decades. Many academics claim that he's a myth. Anyway, he still hasn't dared to apply for the 1.000.000 credits challenge to prove "The Force".

[Nyarlathotep]

23)Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this argument? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this argument! It does not make sense! So if Chewbacca was a wookie, and he lived on Endor, then the Death Star was an inside job.

[Wowbagger]

24) It was obviously Darth Vader, himself, who masterminded the destruction. He wanted to "prove" such a technological terror was useless next to the power of The Force. And, might I add, "force" is only one letter different from "farce"!!!! That proves the theory!!!!!!!!!

[casebro]

There never was a Death Star. It was all filmed on a hyper secret back lot in Hollywood. It was sponsored by the One Galaxy Society. All to get us peons to regain confidence in the system. I know because my uncle works at Jedi Central, but now that I've told you that, my live is forfeit, and I'll have to go into hiding before "they" come to

[senorpogo]

I've noticed that if you watch the explosion of the Death Star in Quicktime in very high resolution odd, pixelated artifacts are visible that appear to be minor explosions that cause no real structural damage but eerily occur moments before the larger explosion of the Death Star.

[bob_kark]

When are you CTers going to learn? I've heard all your ridiculous claims (www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html) before. I just have one question for you. Can you find one Aerospace Structural engineer to back any of the wild claims you've made?

[RandFan]

:d

ETA: what the hell happend to my smilie?

[Metullus]

"They" got to it...

[bob_kark]

:d

ETA: what the hell happend to my smilie?

He's licking his lips.

[Manny]

When are you CTers going to learn? I've heard all your ridiculous claims (www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html) before. I just have one question for you. Can you find one Aerospace Structural engineer to back any of the wild claims you've made?Oh yeah, like they will talk. Every Aerospace Structural engineer in the galaxy was employed on the "Death Star" project. They know where they're bread is buttered!

[LordoftheLeftHand]

Through many long hours of research I discovered that before the first destruction of the military base; the same tramp freighter which was present at both destructions; blasted its way past a military patrol on a desert planet; then made an unscheduled landing on the base in question….

And guess who was on board? The #2 guy’s son! And it appears that the #2 guy’s daughter left the base on the tramp freighter not long before it was destroyed! How did it get away you ask? Someone "accidently" left the tractor beam off is the official story!

Strange how the Imperial Navy knew to evacuate the #2 guy’s kid’s right before the base was supposedly destroyed by terrorists!

And now they want us to believe his son is a “major player” in the terroristic revolution.

We have been sold a bill of goods!

LLH

[senorpogo]

When are you CTers going to learn? I've heard all your ridiculous claims (www.theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html) before. I just have one question for you. Can you find one Aerospace Structural engineer to back any of the wild claims you've made?

Transcripts of a high level meeting between Imperial officers reveal that Grand Moff Tarkin, commander of the Death Star said, "Any attack made by the Rebels against this station would be a
useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained. This
station is now the ultimate power in the universe."

By the empire's own admission, the Death Star was impervious to attack.

[Metullus]

Plus they claim that the #2 guy killed his kid's mentor. Well, if he did, where is the body?

[bob_kark]

Oh yeah, like they will talk. Every Aerospace Structural engineer in the galaxy was employed on the "Death Star" project. They know where they're bread is buttered!

Oh right, like it takes every Aerospace Structural engineer to rebuild a sphere!! Come on!

[Manny]

I didn't realize that you were a sphere hugger. We've got nothing more to discuss.

[chipmunk stew]

Oh right, like it takes every Aerospace Structural engineer to rebuild a sphere!! Come on!LOL! Do your homework!

[bob_kark]

Transcripts of a high level meeting between Imperial officers reveal that Grand Moff Tarkin, commander of the Death Star said, "Any attack made by the Rebels against this station would be a
useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained. This
station is now the ultimate power in the universe."

By the empire's own admission, the Death Star was impervious to attack.

No one expected their to be an attack on the Death Star using "the force" at the time, it wasn't built to withstand an attack like that. The Empire thought they'd wiped all the Jedis out. Why build a "Jedi proof" Death Star if there are no Jedis?

[bob_kark]

LOL! Do your homework!

Do your own! I have definative proof that the Rebels destroyed the Death Star here! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00003CXCT/qid=1144885893/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-9456011-2935045?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130)

[chipmunk stew]

No one expected their to be an attack on the Death Star using "the force" at the time, it wasn't built to withstand an attack like that. The Empire thought they'd wiped all the Jedis out. Why build a "Jedi proof" Death Star if there are no Jedis?:dl:
This guy's hilarious!
So you're saying that a ragged band of "rebels" defeated the most advanced space defense system in the GALAXY? That sounds like a conspiracy theory! :drool:

OWNED!!!

[chipmunk stew]

Do your own! I have definative proof that the Rebels destroyed the Death Star here! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00003CXCT/qid=1144885893/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-9456011-2935045?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130):D That piece of garbage has been debunked for ages!

[senorpogo]

Do your own! I have definative proof that the Rebels destroyed the Death Star here! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00003CXCT/qid=1144885893/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/103-9456011-2935045?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130)

Propaganda put out by the zionist/jedi media conspiracy. You would believe something so obviously fake.

[kookbreaker]

No one expected their to be an attack on the Death Star using "the force" at the time, it wasn't built to withstand an attack like that. The Empire thought they'd wiped all the Jedis out. Why build a "Jedi proof" Death Star if there are no Jedis?

Can we ban this guy!!!? He's obviously his troll and won't agree that we are right and are always right about the Death Star and them impending invasion of Dantoine by the Galaxyists! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[bob_kark]

:dl:
This guy's hilarious!
So you're saying that a ragged band of "rebels" defeated the most advanced space defense system in the GALAXY? That sounds like a conspiracy theory! :drool:

OWNED!!!

I find your lack of faith disturbing. The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together. Seems like you don't know jack about Teh Fizorce!!

Well, then again, the Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.

PWNEDZORZ!!!

[bob_kark]

Propaganda put out by the zionist/jedi media conspiracy. You would believe something so obviously fake.

So you support StormFront?

[bob_kark]

:D That piece of garbage has been debunked for ages!

Really, by which Aerospace Structural engineer?

[bob_kark]

Can we ban this guy!!!? He's obviously his troll and won't agree that we are right and are always right about the Death Star and them impending invasion of Dantoine by the Galaxyists! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Please show me where in the membership agreement it states you can ban me because you don't agree with my opinion. Coward!

[Bronze Dog]

:dl:
I should have seen this coming. Glad I'm alone, otherwise I'd be getting strange looks.

[RandFan]

"They" got to it...I know, it was really wierd. I clicked on a smilie and then submit and it disapeared.

They're watching...

[delphi_ote]

Nothing to add.

I just wanted to thank you guys for giving me a big laugh on a day that I really need one. :)

[bob_kark]

Nothing to add.

I just wanted to thank you guys for giving me a big laugh on a day that I really need one. :)

Cheer up sir! Tomorrow we try to take over the world!

I think we just have the Cayman Islands left, it should be fun!

[kookbreaker]

Please show me where in the membership agreement it states you can ban me because you don't agree with my opinion. Coward!

You are BANNED because you won't agree with us! So THERE! Please re-read our newly rewrittenrules

1) We can ban you because we feel like.
2) We can ban you for asking questions that we can't answer.
3) We can ban you for your smilies 'looking at us funny'
4) We can ban you because it really makes us feel big!
5) We can ban you because that is what the Galaxyists would do to us, SO THERE!

[bob_kark]

You are BANNED because you won't agree with us! So THERE! Please re-read our newly rewrittenrules

1) We can ban you because we feel like.
2) We can ban you for asking questions that we can't answer.
3) We can ban you for your smilies 'looking at us funny'
4) We can ban you because it really makes us feel big!
5) We can ban you because that is what the Galaxyists would do to us, SO THERE!

There's a difference between us. You think the people of this board exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom. And I go to make sure that they have it.

[senorpogo]

So you support StormFront?

"Yeah, hard to believe that the people the current orthodoxy regard as "evil" and "haters" could be anything but, huh?"

(I do not believe this. Sad to say, this is a real defense (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1958) of Stormfront used by a Looser.)

[chipmunk stew]

Really, by which Aerospace Structural engineer?If you had done your homework instead of just parroting the so-called "experts", you'd know that Professor Mork of Ork and the Scholars for Death Star Truth have done extensive, peer-reviewed research and have shown that it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for the Death Star to have exploded the way it did. And how do you explain the squibs?

edit: BTW, have you even watched the whole video, yet?

[delphi_ote]

So you support StormFront?
Stormtrooper Front! :D

[BenK]

13) The Emporer, when getting news of the destruction, was at a Clone Training base, intimidating young clones into proper behavior. When informed, he continued to intimidate the youngsters and all the others in the area! Obviously he must have known in advance what would happen!!!


No one listen to him, he spelt Emperor wrong :mad:

[UrsulaV]

I bet none of you have the guts to come on my Podcast and make these claims!

We have like fifty Ewoks listening at any one time. It's huge!

[Oldpossum]

Has anyone ever wondered about the wooky supposedly being a mechanic?

I mean he's Covered in fur/hair, and hair and complex, moving, machinery just don't mix!
(or hair and complex electrical/electronic devices either, for that matter.)

I'm personally afraid to go anywhere near moving machinery for fear of being defurred, and causing the machinery to catstrophicly fail from hairball ingestion. Not to mention the smell for burning fur is not pleasent, especially when it's your own!

And who was the genius, who thought up Amber lined pedway express tubes?
I always pop out of those things, looking like a sea urchin, and then suffering a powerful zap when I touch the ground!

:D

Seriously, nice satire, a pity the LC (insert favorite Deregative here) will never comprehend it!

[senorpogo]

No one listen to him, he spelt Emperor wrong :mad:

Yes! You're the unwitting co-conspirator. It must be pretty fantastic for them to have the government, the mainstream media, and millions of little parrots like you doing the whitewashing for you. However, the shame in all of this is that the joke is really on you.

(Now I'm just doing cut and paste jobs of comments made by Alek in the Loose Change forum. Applicable defense to ANY conspiracy theory!)

[hurdygurdy]

I find your lack of faith disturbing. The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together. Seems like you don't know jack about Teh Fizorce!!

Well, then again, the Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.

PWNEDZORZ!!!

Here we go, guys, another fundie who believes in an invisible power "'coz yoga zaiz it".

How is it possible that almost the whole galaxy are deluded by a crippled monster who hasn't learnt to speak in 800 years?

Wake up, kid.

[delphi_ote]

Representative Binks of The Loyalist Committee, who first proposed legislation to give the Emporor the emergency powers, is also a known friend of the future wife of the No. 2 Galaxiest AND several members of the Jedi counsil. Coincidence? Could Representative Binks be behind the entire Galaxiest operation?

[kookbreaker]

No one listen to him, he spelt Emperor wrong :mad:

Oh! Oh! That is sooooooo typical of u debunkers! Harping on a spelling error.

Its like that time we found that Ultra-Mega-Secret Death Star Engineer to confess that it had been rigged to blow. You never heard such whining from the debunkers: "There's no such thing as a 'Death Star Engineer'", "His certification is written with crayon.", "He got his 'DSE' degree at an unaccredited Art School!", "He used the terms 'thingamabob',and 'whatchamacallit!'" when it was obvious what the engineering terms that he meant to use were!

[Kevin_Lowe]

I have a theory that the X-wing supposedly piloted by "General S" was actually a missile!

[BenK]

Oh! Oh! That is sooooooo typical of u debunkers! Harping on a spelling error.

Its like that time we found that Ultra-Mega-Secret Death Star Engineer to confess that it had been rigged to blow. You never heard such whining from the debunkers: "There's no such thing as a 'Death Star Engineer'", "His certification is written with crayon.", "He got his 'DSE' degree at an unaccredited Art School!", "He used the terms 'thingamabob',and 'whatchamacallit!'" when it was obvious what the engineering terms that he meant to use were!

LOL :) Where do you come up with this crap? I suppose you blieve in the force as well? Well kid, I’ve flown from one end of this galaxy to the other; I’ve seen a lot of strange stuff, but I’ve never seen anything to make me believe there’s one all-powerful force controlling everything. There’s no mystical energy field controlling my destiny. It’s all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense. :rolleyes:

[Bronze Dog]

The similarities between this thread and so many other "real" ones is getting creepy.

And funny. :dl:

[kookbreaker]

The similarities between this thread and so many other "real" ones is getting creepy.

And funny. :dl:

"That's the idea, Solo."

[pgwenthold]

23)Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this argument? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this argument! It does not make sense! So if Chewbacca was a wookie, and he lived on Endor, then the Death Star was an inside job.

How can you dispute the Chewbacca argument?

Man, it is a slam dunk.

[Bronze Dog]

Look at the monkey! :mdance:

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

One of the most damning pieces of evidence is the video of Emperor Palpatine when he was told of the attack.

He is informed of the attack, and instead of getting up and leaving, he finishes reading My Pet Bantha to the group of young Sith he was with.

(It was earlier reported that the young Sith were also Clones. This information cannot be confirmed, but if true, is even more damning. After all, any "clones" who had knowledge of this conspiracy can be easily gotten rid of and replaced with another Clone without anyone knowing.)

Obviously, he knew what was going on well in advance.

[Starthinker]

Now, I've been a skeptic for a long time but that tall guy that worked for the emperer once turned me into a newt.








Well, I got better.

[RandFan]

Nothing to add.

I just wanted to thank you guys for giving me a big laugh on a day that I really need one. :) Hang in there delphi, there is life after finals.

[Metullus]

I know, it was really wierd. I clicked on a smilie and then submit and it disapeared.

They're watching...
Yes. They are.

[Metullus]

Hang in there delphi, there is life after finals.
Actually there is not. More the pity.

[Metullus]

I have a theory that the X-wing supposedly piloted by "General S" was actually a missile!
Of course it was a missile! They later took the X-wing that "General S" was supposed to be flying and crashed it into an asteroid to destroy the evidence. The guy that was in it was the "Purple Leader" who was listed as KIA in the attack on the Death Star but who was actually a guy named Gus Weiderstacker who had worked as an plumber on Naboo before he was recruited by Imperial Special Ops.

[delphi_ote]

What really happened (http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/shortfilms/troops/) on Tatooine? Watch this documentary to find out!

[Jimbo07]

You know it burns me up that you guys are so focused on Death Star CT, when we have a real political issue to deal with:

The Midichlorian Designers (MDers) are trying to get us to believe that the Force comes from something measurable. Think about it. The Force has been shown, time and again, in the hands of those with enough education, to produce testable, repeatable and predictable results. And now, we're expected to accept some Namby-Pamby naturalistic explanation about Midichlorian counts?! :mad:

It's a perfectly good example of Writerists trying to inject natural explanations for perfectly repeatable supernatural events.

So, you CTers can go suck Bantha Fodder, for missing the forest for the trees. Stop MDers!

:D

ETA: Don't try to convince me that you know more about SWscience than me, or that you fully understand quantum SW mechanics. The Hansolo Uncertainty Principle clearly shows that: the more precisely you know your route through space, the less you can know about how to use units. Video evidence indicates that we know a freighter made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs! :p

[kookbreaker]

Intense research (I must have spent 20 minutes on Google!) has shown the the entire reason behind the purposful destruction of the Death Star was so that the EMPIRE could take over the Cloud City mining facility! It's so obvious the the Emporer's #2 man was trying all along to help his cloud mining buddies! The revenue from this facility was what they were after all along!!!! When you factor in the gains from the almost profitable facility, it makes perfect sense that they would destroy a multi-trillion credit death star!

[kookbreaker]

What really happened (http://www.theforce.net/fanfilms/shortfilms/troops/) on Tatooine? Watch this documentary to find out!

That Imperial Body Armor is the same as the one we see at Cloud City! They must be the same guys! The hole thing was faked!

[Shaun from Scotland]

When you factor in the gains from the almost profitable facility, it makes perfect sense that they would destroy a multi-trillion credit death star!


And where did the insurance money on the Death Star go? Straight into Darth Vaders pocket!! Via Haliburton!!

[J. Arthur Hastur]

25.) Grand Moff Tarkin refused to launch fighters and dismissed his Star Destoyer escorts before moving to attack the rebel base on Yavin IV.

26.) Lord Vader is purportedly the member of a cult that believes in something called 'The Force'

[Manny]

Intense research (I must have spent 20 minutes on Google!) has shown the the entire reason behind the purposful destruction of the Death Star was so that the EMPIRE could take over the Cloud City mining facility!I should have seen that one. Once again, the man is sticking it to the black guy.

[Starthinker]

Is the force eligible for the 1mil prize? Why aren't these people applying?

[conspiracybeliever]

This would be pretty funny if mass murder wasn't so serious.

[kookbreaker]

This would be pretty funny if mass murder wasn't so serious.

We're not laughing with you, Roxdog.

[Nyarlathotep]

This would be pretty funny if mass murder wasn't so serious.

So would Loose Change. You're the one that wants us to chase phantoms instead of the real killers based on things like pixellation of digital photographs and your misunderstanding of structural engineering

[Bronze Dog]

Humor is one way of dealing with life's unfairness. It's probably healthier than making up needlessly elaborate plots based on very mundane details so that you can villify whoever you want, rather than the actual villains.

[Nyarlathotep]

Humor is one way of dealing with life's unfairness. It's probably healthier than making up needlessly elaborate plots based on very mundane details so that you can villify whoever you want, rather than the actual villains.

Plus this thread is an intersting exercise. We have a situtation in which we all know the "real" story, yet we can demonstrate how easy it is to take small details and weave them into something elaborate and bizaare that has nothing to do with what "really" happened.

BUt back to the fun

28) All the Jawas on the Death Star had been evacuated the day before the attack. Might the attack have been part of a massive Jawa plot?

[kookbreaker]

Yah! Blame the Jaaaawas!

[Nyarlathotep]

Yah! Blame the Jaaaawas!

It's always the Jawas. If you read The Protocols of the Elders of Tatooine, you can see just how elaborate and far reaching their plots are.

[Nyarlathotep]

29) Further evidence of Jawa complicity is provided by the fact that the "Secret Plans" that General S. supposedly used to destroy the Death Star were in a droid that he bought from Jawa "Junk Merchants"

[Kevin_Lowe]

Does it really make sense that the whole thing could have been masterminded by a sick little green guy living in a cave on Dagobah?

Think about the fact that same little green guy just happens to have been a close associate of Emperor Palpatine, back when the Jedi were supposed to be our best buddies... it makes you go hmm...

Especially considering that, according to the "official story", we are supposed to believe that General S. fired the "magic photon torpedo" without a targeting computer!!!" The odds of hitting a target that size with a snub fighter even with a computer are literally a million to one!!!

How stupid do they think we are?

[Manny]

Think about the fact that same little green guy just happens to have been a close associate of Emperor Palpatine, back when the Jedi were supposed to be our best buddies... it makes you go hmm...Heh. If it weren't for copyright I'd spam the forum with this image (http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/star_wars__episode_iii___revenge_of_the_sith/_group_photos/ewan_mcgregor6.jpg) like it was Rummy and Saddam.

[Psiload]

Well how do you explain the land speeder full of gold that was found in the basement of the Death Star?

[J. Arthur Hastur]

This would be pretty funny if mass murder wasn't so serious.

Yes, I feel very bad for the imaginary families of the imaginary people that died on both Death Stars.

[Upchurch]

26.) Lord Vader is purportedly the member of a cult that believes in something called 'The Force'
No, Arthur. It goes even higher than that. The Emperor himself was a Sith, as well.

I have it on good authority* that the Siths have historical ties to the Jedifascist Terrorists. In fact, Vader was once closely associated with the top leadership of the Terrorists and trained in one of their camps. He and the Emperor made a big show of shutting those camps down, but since then, it has been reported that Vader's son has also been trained in a Jedi training camp. Vader has been quoted as saying that his son's training was "most impressive".

Where do Vader's loyalties really lie? With the Empire or the Jedifascists? There is only one rational conclusion.





* My brother's friend's father's cousin knows a guy who was reported on TV as saying as much.

[delphi_ote]

Where do Vader's loyalties really lie? With the Empire or the Jedifascists? There is only one rational conclusion.
When will you see? You have to open your eyes, man!

The Galaxiest Representative Binks controls both the Empire and the Jedifascists. He put Palpatine into power, he introduced Vader to the Jedi, and he was never seen nor heard from again once he accomplished these things. Just where was Binks when the Death Stars were "destroyed?"

[chipmunk stew]

When will you see? You have to open your eyes, man!

The Galaxiest Representative Binks controls both the Empire and the Jedifascists. He put Palpatine into power, he introduced Vader to the Jedi, and he was never seen nor heard from again once he accomplished these things. Just where was Binks when the Death Stars were "destroyed?"Does Binks even exist, though? There's evidence that all the videos he appears in have been tampered with, like he was photoshopped in or something. He almost looks fake, like CGI or something.

edit: From all the evidence I've seen, I'm a firm no-Binkser.

[hurdygurdy]

Where do Vader's loyalties really lie? With the Empire or the Jedifascists? There is only one rational conclusion.


Hey, look! a Jewdi meditating, just like Luke Skywanker! lol

http://www.physics.odu.edu/~weinstei/srhr/chandon/flyera.jpg

May the farce be with him! LOL

[Upchurch]

When will you see? You have to open your eyes, man!

The Galaxiest Representative Binks controls both the Empire and the Jedifascists. He put Palpatine into power, he introduced Vader to the Jedi, and he was never seen nor heard from again once he accomplished these things. Just where was Binks when the Death Stars were "destroyed?"
Binks dropped off the radar years ago. It's obvious that someone high in power caused Binks to "disappear". He was not a popular Gungan.

I doubt he had the stones or the influence to manipulate the Emperor. More likely, he was just a tool.

[Psiload]

The farce is strong in this one.

http://www.physics.odu.edu/~weinstei/srhr/chandon/flyera.jpg

[hurdygurdy]

I bet none of you have the guts to come on my Podcast and make these claims!

We have like fifty Ewoks listening at any one time. It's huge!

Keep the flame on, bro :)

YEEEHAWWWW!!!!

[Upchurch]

Here we go. :rolleyes: Always some Jedi-lover trying to villify the Emperor.

Why do you hate the Empire?

[hurdygurdy]

Here we go. :rolleyes: Always some Jedi-lover trying to villify the Emperor.

Why do you hate the Empire?

If you're talking to me, sir, it must be a terrible misunderstanding. For thirty years I've been devoting 100% of my life to the DS Truth Movement .

The clue that opened my eyes was all that secrecy around the SWHS (http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/) tape. Why has it been aired ONLY ONCE on TV? Two generations are being deprived of this document, living in denial.

Why?

[delphi_ote]

Keep the flame on, bro :)

YEEEHAWWWW!!!!
(This made me laugh so hard. Between that and the picture, I think you've got the Loosers arguments down pat.)

[Upchurch]

(re-reading my own posts, I can't figure out if I'm supposed to be pro-Empire or anti-Empire. I wonder if the Loose Change folks have this problem?)

[hurdygurdy]

(re-reading my own posts, I can't figure out if I'm supposed to be pro-Empire or anti-Empire. I wonder if the Loose Change folks have this problem?)

(Same with me!)

ps. Excuse me, any relation to the great Phil Upchurch?

[kookbreaker]

(re-reading my own posts, I can't figure out if I'm supposed to be pro-Empire or anti-Empire. I wonder if the Loose Change folks have this problem?)

Pro, anti, its all a farce! All an ILLLLLLUUUUUUSSSSSION! There is facade of a totalitarian, opressive, destructive Empire, but that's just to keep the hidden shadow government that plans opression, totalitarianism, and destruction for our future. Their tool is the so-called 'Rebellion' which is entirely made up and controlled by the EIA.

[Nyarlathotep]

Pro, anti, its all a farce! All an ILLLLLLUUUUUUSSSSSION! There is facade of a totalitarian, opressive, destructive Empire, but that's just to keep the hidden shadow government that plans opression, totalitarianism, and destruction for our future. Their tool is the so-called 'Rebellion' which is entirely made up and controlled by the EIA.


And who runs the EIA? the Jawas, of course.

[senorpogo]

Can anyone find me a list of all the casualities from the Death Star to prove that Moff Tarkin was in fact there when it blew up?

Yeah, didn't think so.
OWNED.

[monoman]

Come on!!! Where's the picture of a white plastic chair on the deathstar?

[kookbreaker]

Further proof that the Death Star was just a big White Elephant waiting to be destroyed for the insurance money.

http://www.firsttvdrama.com/funstuff/tarkin.php3

[J. Arthur Hastur]

Who's Lauren?

[Starthinker]

It's just no use arguing with you guys. You must all be trolls. I mean, what's easier to believe--a galaxy-wide conspiracy that would have to be kept secret even though thousands knew about it and WHY would there be a conspiracy in the first place? OR that a group of rebels simply rebelled and blew up a big space station? I can't believe you guys, I seriously think you are all trolls.

[Upchurch]

ps. Excuse me, any relation to the great Phil Upchurch?Don't know, but if he was "great", I'll say that we are related. :D

[Upchurch]

Pro, anti, its all a farce! All an ILLLLLLUUUUUUSSSSSION! There is facade of a totalitarian, opressive, destructive Empire, but that's just to keep the hidden shadow government that plans opression, totalitarianism, and destruction for our future. Their tool is the so-called 'Rebellion' which is entirely made up and controlled by the EIA.
I'm obviously being confused by the mind control floride the Empire puts in the water "for our teeth".

[chipmunk stew]

It's just no use arguing with you guys. You must all be trolls. I mean, what's easier to believe--a galaxy-wide conspiracy that would have to be kept secret even though thousands knew about it and WHY would there be a conspiracy in the first place? OR that a group of rebels simply rebelled and blew up a big space station? I can't believe you guys, I seriously think you are all trolls.Starthinker, your combative style is not conducive to our civil monoculture.

Feed him to the Sarlacc.

[Upchurch]

Starthinker, your combative style is not conducive to our civil monoculture.chipmunk stew! snap out of it! you're obviously hysterical!! [Enter other obvious statements of psycholigical projection here]

[CptColumbo]

How about the fact that General S. was put into hiding from his father the #2 man, with the #2 man's family on his home planet and under his original surname. Surely, the #2 man could have found something placed so obviously in front of him. Also keep in mind that General S. had expressed interest in joining the Imperial Navy, yet was convinced to wait by his "family," later he joined the terrorists that destroyed the Death Stars.

[Orb]

This is all so fascinating, and makes complete sense!
When is the book coming out?

[dissonance]

For some reason I have the irresistable urge to post this:

"Tragedy struck today in sector 9 as rebel terrorists blew up the Death Star. A band of rebel fanatics has claimed responsibility. Fortunately, Lord Vader escaped without harm. Our thoughts are with the families of the victims." -Catherine Duke, "In space" episode, "NewsRadio"

[senorpogo]

Can anyone find me a list of all the casualities from the Death Star to prove that Moff Tarkin was in fact there when it blew up?

Yeah, didn't think so.
OWNED.

You still haven't addressed this.
And we all know that repeatedly posting evidence makes it even more true.

OWNED.

[Aoidoi]

I think you are all ignoring the criminal element here. A freighter with known connections to the infamous crime lord Jabba the Hutt is present at the destruction of both death stars. A bounty hunter with known connections to both Empire higher ups and that same crime lord? Clearly the Hutt cartel was instrumental in helping the Emperor achieve power (Senator Binks was a patsy), and then when they had a falling out over the illicit profits from the substandard construction on the first death star (tell me the construction industry isn't in bed with the criminal element) and insurance kickbacks, the son and daughter of the Empire's number 2 kill a crime lord who was getting too greedy, only to be blackmailed by his cohorts into turning on the Emperor and assassinating him in the very heart of another massive construction project!

Then the explosives put in place during the construction were used to cover up the murder!

It's true!

[kookbreaker]

Ah-Ha! Proof!

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/kookbreaker/ChairSW.jpg

[delphi_ote]

And who runs the EIA? the Jawas, of course.
And who runs the Jawas? Representative Binks, of course!

Sure, everyone talks about the DS 1 and 2, but nobody has addressed the shield generation station on Endor. How did that blow up? Nobody lives on that planet exept Ewoks. Teddy bears took it out? HA! If you believe that, you probably believe that a single woman can strangle a Hutt. :rolleyes:

IT WAS PLANNED DEMOLITION! No evidence the Galaxiests present will convice me otherwise.

[Kevin_Lowe]

And who runs the Jawas? Representative Binks, of course!

Sure, everyone talks about the DS 1 and 2, but nobody has addressed the shield generation station on Endor. How did that blow up? Nobody lives on that planet exept Ewoks. Teddy bears took it out? HA! If you believe that, you probably believe that a single woman can strangle a Hutt. :rolleyes:

IT WAS PLANNED DEMOLITION! No evidence the Galaxiests present will convice me otherwise.

Well, does anyone believe the official story, that "General S2" (notice how they have two different "General S" figures running around!) snuck inside an Imperial Walker, disguised himself as a member of the guard force by holding a receiver in front of his face, and tricked the highly experienced leader of an elite stormtrooper force into evacuating the shield generator?

Doesn't that strike anyone as being just a little bit preposterous? Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to just have the stormtroopers blow up the base on their own?

Do you know what the evidence is for this supposed battle? Do you know what it is? One ewok corpse! That's all the evidence we have that this supposed mass assault by a Stone Age tribe on a fortified stormtrooper position reinforced by modern armoured walkers ever happened! Does that make any sense at all?

[delphi_ote]

Oh, and DS2. If you listen closely, General Calrissian orders everyone to "Pull up!" just before Akbar says "It's a trap!" Everyone knows that "pull up" means "detonate explosives."

[CptColumbo]

How could a planet, without any weapons, suddenly and spontaneous explode when hit with a laser beam. Clearly, explosive charges would have to be secretly placed at the core. How can the archival footage of that explosion suddenly change, unless it was altered to cover-up the fact that Alderaan was a controlled explosion. Why else would Governor Tarkin refuse to destroy a reported millitary outpost, in favor of the far weaker (Militarily) Alderaan, because Dantooine was not prepped.

[Unk]

Anonymous sources have leaked that one of the high-ranking members of the Alliance was also a member of the Imperial Senate! Does someone smell a double agent?

[rdaneel]

The odds of hitting a target that size with a snub fighter even with a computer are literally a million to one!!!

Yes it was a million to one shot, but remember:

"Million to one shots happen nine times out of ten" -Pratchett

;)

[Ipecac]

By the way, in Star Wars they have "proton" torpedoes. Star *Trek* has "photon" torpedoes.

[Starthinker]

Ah-Ha! Proof!

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/kookbreaker/ChairSW.jpg

I see tiny explosions in that photo that are right where the proton torpedo hit. Proof that it was rigged to blow even before the torpedo hit.

[Upchurch]

Oh, and DS2. If you listen closely, General Calrissian orders everyone to "Pull up!" just before Akbar says "It's a trap!" Everyone knows that "pull up" means "detonate explosives."
Obviously. They were in space. There is no up in space. Calrissian wanted to abort the "attack", the appropriate phrase is "pull away".

[Nyarlathotep]

In all recordings of the events leading up to the destruction of the Death Star, the space ships go "Whoosh" and make other sounds as they pass the camera. What's more, they bank like atmospheric craft. Things don't go WHOOSH in a vacuum. Obviously the footage was faked on a soundstage somewhere.

[chipmunk stew]

In all recordings of the events leading up to the destruction of the Death Star, the space ships go "Whoosh" and make other sounds as they pass the camera. What's more, they bank like atmospheric craft. Things don't go WHOOSH in a vacuum. Obviously the footage was faked on a soundstage somewhere.Nice find! That raises absolutely no red flags for me! I'm going to throw that on to the pile of evidence without a second thought because it seems to confirm my prior assumptions!

[Upchurch]

Nice find! That raises absolutely no red flags for me! I'm going to throw that on to the pile of evidence without a second thought because it seems to confirm my prior assumptions!
Well, if chipmunk stew believes this is true, then so do I.

[delphi_ote]

Now look at the sheer number of people who believe in our movement! If we weren't right, why would so many people question the official story of the Twin Death Star Collapses? Clearly we're on to something.

[Nyarlathotep]

Now look at the sheer number of people who believe in our movement! If we weren't right, why would so many people question the official story of the Twin Death Star Collapses? Clearly we're on to something.

Maybe we can get Jon Stewart to spread our message! He's never done a hit piece on our movement, so he must agree.

[Belz...]

Now look at the sheer number of people who believe in our movement! If we weren't right, why would so many people question the official story of the Twin Death Star Collapses? Clearly we're on to something.

Hey, Delphi, can I be globalist henchman #1 ? If that spot's taken, can I have #666 ?

[Dr Adequate]

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/663/darthbush1at.jpg

[delphi_ote]

Hey, Delphi, can I be globalist henchman #1 ? If that spot's taken, can I have #666 ?
You can take either number you like. Once you get your uniform in the mail, you'll have to start your first assignment: replacing all of the bananas at the ThriftMart on 2365 Tittle Road in Grayfield, NY with very green ones. We must make sure that Truth Seeker Jason Harvey doesn't get enough potassium!

[Belz...]

You can take either number you like. Once you get your uniform in the mail, you'll have to start your first assignment: replacing all of the bananas at the ThriftMart on 2365 Tittle Road in Grayfield, NY with very green ones. We must make sure that Truth Seeker Jason Harvey doesn't get enough potassium!

Tee hee!

[chipmunk stew]

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/663/darthbush1at.jpgI knew it! :jaw-dropp

[Azrael 5]

Luke Skywalker was clearly part of the Dantooine remote viewing project which is how plans of the Death Star "fell" into Rebellion hands.Also he is clearly Clairvoyant and Clairaudient.He heard the voice of dead Obi Wan Kenobi instructing him to use the force and trust his instincts.Then at the bonfire party on Endor he clearly saw spirits of Kenobi and Vader! Although no-one else saw them,but he experienced it so it is as good as scientific fact!
:D

[aggle-rithm]

Just before the second Death Star was destroyed, a video camera caught a Tie fighter colliding with another one -- and PASSING RIGHT THROUGH IT without exploding, or even slowing down!

Surely, this is Imperial evidence-tampering!

[Didactylos]

Hi I'm new to this board. I'm glad I found this thread! I've always believed in the official "Coincidence Theories" about the destruction of the Death Star, but then I started to look into some of the details after I saw this movie. I can't remember its name but it starred the drug addict from trainspotting and the lying journalist from Shattered Glass and it was about how the Clone War was all just fabricated to give us a pretext to go to war.

Of course that was a movie, and a mediocre one at that, but it makes you think doesn't it. The situation is earily similar and when you accept that the government has lied before, they have always lied then only a fool would believe anything they say, even if it's just the local mailman saying good morning, or a church registry clerk claiming that I wasn't born yesterday.

One thing I discovered is that after general S left Tatooine in the company of an infamous smuggler, a gutted jawa sandcrawler was found with marks after fire from blasters. This has been attributed to a Stormtrooper patrol, but anybody familiar with stormtroopers and their marksmanship will now that either :
1) the Stormtroopers must have been shooting at something else next to the crawler,
2) somebody else shot up the crawler, or
3) the jawas were warned ahead by the Galaxists and had left the crawler before the Stormtroopers started shooting at it.
See how the jawas turn up all the time. And who benefitted from the destruction of the Death Star. The J-A-W-A-S.

I think that put together all the smart people in this thread have found 30-40 things that point against the official story. And 30-40 inconclusive or badly reasoned flaws equals 1 definite flaw, and thats all we need to send the official story crashing down.

Well I don't know, I'm sort of sitting on the fence about this issue ... my instincts tell me that it just can't be a coincidence ... all these things that just don't fit with the official story, they're PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Can you guys help me out on this????????!!!????###&&%%%@@$$$¤¤¤¤§§§.

[shuize]

Proof!!!!!! Read this selectively edited clipping and tell me there's not something very suspicious going on in space:

Saying the information is too sensitive, NASA announced Friday that it will not release its report ...!!!!!!!!!

... the DART spacecraft did not complete its mission last year, but the full 70-page document contains details protected by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations ... !!!!!!

... the Pentagon satellite ...!!!!!!11!

... The $110 million project ...!!!!!

... a fuel problem, but engineers did not detect a fuel leak!!!!! The mission manager!!!!! also has said!!!!!!! the robotic vehicle detected navigational errors!!!!!! with its on-board computers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060414/ap_on_sc/spacecraft_mishap

Now if that doesn't convince you it was an inside job, nothing will!!!11!!11!

[senorpogo]

How about the fact that the #2 guy's son, General S., was hidden from the #2 guy ON THE PLANET THE #2 WAS BORN ON!!!!!11!!!!!!

Not shady enough for you?!?!

HE WAS LIVING WITH RELATIVES OF THE #2 GUY!!!!!!!!!111one!!!!

LOLOMG

How could the #2 guy NOT find him?

[Silly Green Monkey]

Technically, they weren't relatives. They were the inheritors of the family his mother was sold to.

[Metullus]

Bimks = Vader.

Nobody ever saw them together and Vader appeared on the scene just about the time Binks dropped off the map. Binks made the Emperor and became Vader, the power behind the throne.

All the rest is just coverup.

[Curnir]

Bimks = Vader.

Nobody ever saw them together and Vader appeared on the scene just about the time Binks dropped off the map. Binks made the Emperor and became Vader, the power behind the throne.

All the rest is just coverup.

No no no
Mace Vindu = Darth Vader.

[Upchurch]

No no no
Mace Vindu = Darth Vader.
He's one bad motha-(shut your mouth)

[delphi_ote]

He's one bad motha-(shut your mouth)
I'm just talkin bout Shaft!

[Upchurch]

I'm just talkin bout Shaft!
...er, Mace!

[kookbreaker]

...er, Mace!

We can dig it!

[delphi_ote]

...er, Mace!
His lightsaber is the one that says "BAD MOTHER ****ER" on it.

[Bronze Dog]

What?

[RandFan]

What?:D

Lyrics from Shaft, soundtrack for the blacksploitation movie of the same name. Sung by Isaac Hayes.

Who's the black private dick
That's a sex machine to all the chicks?
SHAFT!
Ya damn right!

Who is the man that would risk his neck
For his brother man?
SHAFT!
Can you dig it?

Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about?
SHAFT!
Right On!

They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother...
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft.
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!

[Bronze Dog]

Sorry, was trying to shift the joke to another, involving a different bad mother [SHUT YOUR MOUTH!] played by the same actor as Mace.

[delphi_ote]

What?
SAY "WHAT" AGAIN!!! I DARE YOU!!!

(I got it, Bronze. :D )

[RandFan]

SAY "WHAT" AGAIN!!! I DARE YOU!!!

(I got it, Bronze. :D ) Damn, I missed it.

"Did that break your concentration? I didn't mean to do that. Please, continue. I believe you were saying something about "best intentions."

Thanks delphi, some of us aren't as quick as we think we are.

[Euromutt]

I thought it was all glaringly obvious. Anakin Skywalker, aka Darth Vader, said it best: "Together we can rule this galaxy, father and son." He might have added "...and daughter" because the whole story is one of the Skywalker family conniving to seize power, while trying to make it all look like coincidence, and pretending they didn't know they were all closely related.

The destruction of both Death Stars was orchestrated by Vader to discredit the Emperor in the eyes of the public, as the guy who had two white banthas destroyed almost immediately, thus paving the way for a palace coup in Imperial City. To this end, Vader had his daughter, Leia, convince her foster father Bail Organa and a bunch of his associates to set up the "Rebel Alliance" to provide a visible opposition to the Emperor. Vader captured Leia at Tatooine so that he could confer with her without arousing suspicion on the part of her "allies." In order to spring her, Vader played his hidden ace, his son Luke, who was mysteriously able to waltz into the Empire's new battle station, liberate the prize "prisoner," and waltz out with hardly any effort. Vader, of course, opened the necessary doors. This same Luke then led the attack on the first Death Star, but it's clear as day the battle station was rigged to blow from the inside, by Vader himself. As we know, Vader had never been especially impressed with the Death Star project to begin with, so its destruction was no big loss to him, especially after the Emperor had appointed Grand Moff Tarkin as the station's commanding officer, passing over Vader for the post.

[senorpogo]

I thought it was all glaringly obvious. Anakin Skywalker, aka Darth Vader, said it best: "Together we can rule this galaxy, father and son." He might have added "...and daughter" because the whole story is one of the Skywalker family conniving to seize power, while trying to make it all look like coincidence, and pretending they didn't know they were all closely related.

The destruction of both Death Stars was orchestrated by Vader to discredit the Emperor in the eyes of the public, as the guy who had two white banthas destroyed almost immediately, thus paving the way for a palace coup in Imperial City. To this end, Vader had his daughter, Leia, convince her foster father Bail Organa and a bunch of his associates to set up the "Rebel Alliance" to provide a visible opposition to the Emperor. Vader captured Leia at Tatooine so that he could confer with her without arousing suspicion on the part of her "allies." In order to spring her, Vader played his hidden ace, his son Luke, who was mysteriously able to waltz into the Empire's new battle station, liberate the prize "prisoner," and waltz out with hardly any effort. Vader, of course, opened the necessary doors. This same Luke then led the attack on the first Death Star, but it's clear as day the battle station was rigged to blow from the inside, by Vader himself. As we know, Vader had never been especially impressed with the Death Star project to begin with, so its destruction was no big loss to him, especially after the Emperor had appointed Grand Moff Tarkin as the station's commanding officer, passing over Vader for the post.

This makes completely sense. It actually answers a question I've always had.

Remember during the attack on the first Death Star? The official story claims that Vader, seconds before blasting Luke to space dust, is shot out of the sky by Han Solo. Luke goes on to "blow up" the Death Star, while Vader safely careens away. I've always wondered: If Vader were so skilled in the Force, how could he not "see" or "feel" Han Solo creeping up behind him?

Of course, if it was all a set up then it makes perfect sense. Vader rigs the Death Star to blow up. He then fabricates a reason to leave the Death Star, namely to engage the rebel alliance in ship to ship combat. Then with Vader, Luke, and Solo all in on it, the conspiracy is able to 1.) destroy the Death Star, 2.) give Vader a plausible alibi to not lose face in the Empire, and 3.) make Luke a hero to the new Rebellion.

It hurts the enemies of the conspiracy while simulatenously allowing the conspiracy's leadership to rise high into the ranks of the galaxies most powerful organizations. And no soul suspects a thing.

Bravo!

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Hey folks,

I apologize for resurrecting a nearly year-old thread. I was thinking about posting a list of these points on my website, and I wanted to check with the folks here to make sure I am not stepping on anyone's toes. I will probably give a list of 15-20, most likely reworded at least slightly. I will, of course, properly credit the JREF forum, although probably not individual posters unless that becomes an issue. If anyone objects to my using this material, I won't use it.

So if anyone has any opinion on this, feel free to post. I'm not sure what the etiquette is for using material from multiple posters in a thread on a personal website, so feedback is quite appreciated. :)

[Alan G]

30) Death Star = 9 letters
Skywalker = 9 letters
ben kenobi = 9 letters
princess l = 9 letters
tattooine = 9 letters

co-incidence????

31) The Death Star explosion happened just after the Emperor dissolved the senate. It was his Reichstag fire to justify his new powers.

32) General S had only days of training before before managing to expertly fly into range to shoot the reactor core? Yeah right.

33) After we heard the original story, the LUCAS group went back and created three new narratives to try and clear up their messy account but ended up adding even MORE questions than they answered. Who was this Jar Jar who is alleged to have aided the Emperor to power. He's central to grab for power in this new narrative but he isn't mentioned in the original reports. Bought off or killed off? We need to know!

34) The droids knew what happened in the newly released reports but their stories contradicted the original reports, did the LUCAS group have their memories wiped to hide the truth?

[JQH]

Apologies if this point has been made already:

How can we be expected to believe that, with the whole Galaxy to hide in, Obionekenobi hides on Aniken Skywalker's homeworld? And that Skywalker's son was "hidden" on the same world? Obviously they spemt their time plotting the advancement of the Skywalker clan' New Galactic Order.