Evidence for astrology?

[woodwater]

Hi

go to www.astrodatabank.com

read the articles on research. it seems there is strong evidence for astrology. Rudolf Smit didnt know about this research and is looking at it. very intersting the research on alcoolics and psychics and the dunblane massacre.:D

[coalesce]

I take it you haven't heard of Dr Phil Plait?

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html

Michael

[woodwater]

I take it you haven't heard of Dr Phil Plait?

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html

Michael

i do. I read it two days ago so what? We have to wait. The good news is astrology can now be tssted in a matter of seconds with the software they made at astrodatabank:D

[psy kick]

Great Gosh Almighty! I used to be an astrologer, and was heavily into it and I can tell you it doesn't work. You have to make up stuff, what doesn't fit gets explained away. Astrology beleivers are easily persuaded its true.

[eri]

Databases of crap just gives us more organized crap.

Take a look at their 'research' - mostly into the astrology of psychics. Woo squared.

And I am personally insulted by the inclusion of Betty Friedan in their database and their posting her picture on their website.

[woodwater]

Hi

go to www.astrodatabank.com

read the articles on research. it seems there is strong evidence for astrology. Rudolf Smit didnt know about this research and is looking at it. very intersting the research on alcoolics and psychics and the dunblane massacre.:D

the software is a bit expensive but worthwhile:eye-poppi

[eri]

Better buy yourself 10 copies so you'll have 10 times as many people to work with.

[Kochanski]

Hi

go to www.astrodatabank.com

read the articles on research. it seems there is strong evidence for astrology. Rudolf Smit didnt know about this research and is looking at it. very intersting the research on alcoolics and psychics and the dunblane massacre.:D

Nope, seems really strong evidence that they have found another way to separate people from their money.

They are selling software, do you think they might be a TAD BIAS? That they might have a real good reason to make it look like there stuff can do anything.

Come on, astrology is carp. It has always been carp, it will always be carp.

Woodwater you are a walking, talking prime target for every woo seller out there. Barnum would have loved you cause you prove his dictum.

[Dogdoctor]

Wow, after all these years, they still fool people into believing that crap. Well at least they are finding new ways to fool people.

[Questioninggeller]

the software is a bit expensive but worthwhile:eye-poppi

If it's $900,000 and you win the JREF million that's a net profit of $100,000.

[Ersby]

Multiple analysis. Getting a computer to search through hundreds of variables to look for similarities isn't proof of anything.

[Mojo]

it seems there is strong evidence for astrology.Rather than just posting a link to an entire website, would you care to outline what this "strong evidence" actually is, and why you think it constitutes "strong evidence for astrology"?

[Beady]

Is it just me, or is Woodwater reduced to quoting himself, in full? See #s 1 and 6.

[jon]

Databases of crap just gives us more organized crap

Yeah, garbage in garbage out. That site'll charge you $800-odd for 3 pieces of software to organise garbage better - bargain!

Come on, astrology is carp. It has always been carp, it will always be carp.


Take it back! I like carp ;)

[burrahobbit]

Come on, astrology is carp. It has always been carp, it will always be carp.



Not true.

If it was carp at least you carnivores could EAT it :D


ETA: Damn dialup lag!

[woodwater]

Databases of crap just gives us more organized crap.

Take a look at their 'research' - mostly into the astrology of psychics. Woo squared.

And I am personally insulted by the inclusion of Betty Friedan in their database and their posting her picture on their website.

Why squared?:D

[woodwater]

it is mainly the research on alcoolics that drew my attention. Like the tradition shows,strong Pisces or bad neptune

[Tricky]

it is mainly the research on alcoolics that drew my attention. Like the tradition shows,strong Pisces or bad neptune
Really? Let's look up the birthdates of some famous alcoholics.

Winston Churchill - Nov. 30 1874
W C Fields - Jan 29, 1880
Dean Martin - June 7, 1917
Betty Ford - April 8, 1918
Ulysses S. Grant - April 27, 1822
Dylan Thomas - Oct 27, 1914
F Scott Fitzgerald - Sept 24, 1896
Mickey Mantle - Oct. 20, 1941
Jim Thorpe - May 28, 1887

And some non-famous alcoholics
My father - April 28, 1917
My sister - September 12, 1955
My cousin - Dec. 19, 1963

Seems pretty much all over the board to me, though April seems to be a bad month. But that's not Pices, is it?

[woodwater]

Really? Let's look up the birthdates of some famous alcoholics.

Winston Churchill - Nov. 30 1874
W C Fields - Jan 29, 1880
Dean Martin - June 7, 1917
Betty Ford - April 8, 1918
Ulysses S. Grant - April 27, 1822
Dylan Thomas - Oct 27, 1914
F Scott Fitzgerald - Sept 24, 1896
Mickey Mantle - Oct. 20, 1941
Jim Thorpe - May 28, 1887

And some non-famous alcoholics
My father - April 28, 1917
My sister - September 12, 1955
My cousin - Dec. 19, 1963

Seems pretty much all over the board to me, though April seems to be a bad month. But that's not Pices, is it?


i will

[CFLarsen]

AstroDatabank's AstroSignatures take filters to a new level; they are much subtler than filters. Filters are very strict; they can only select charts based on whether they fit a pattern or not. AstroSignatures are more forgiving; they score charts on how well they fit a pattern.

If you use a filter to find people with lots of earth in their chart you have two choices:

* An overly restrictive AND filter: "Show me only people who have all personal planets in earth signs", or
* An overly inclusive OR filter: "Show me all the people with any personal planet in an earth sign.

I call this the "Goldilocks problem." Filters are either too tight or too loose.

With filters, you can’t ask questions like "Show me people who have three out of four personal planets in earth signs." You would use an astrological filter to find everyone with the Moon in Taurus. You would use an AstroSignature to find out who has the strongest Moon by using sign, house, speed and aspects to score the strength of each person’s Moon.
Source (http://www.astrodatabank.com/Research.htm)

So, if something doesn't fit, something else will. Eventually. :rolleyes:

It's the same crap we see from other woo-"research". E.g, the Global Consciousness Project, where they change both the period length and the starting time, for the same type of event.

It's not even datamining. It's datamassaging.

[woodwater]

Really? Let's look up the birthdates of some famous alcoholics.

only your sister has not the signs. Could be a family problem. Are you of Irish origin?

Winston Churchill - Nov. 30 1874-neptune opposite jupiter

W C Fields - Jan 29, 1880 - jupiter in pisces opposite uranus and sun square neptune
Dean Martin - June 7, 1917 - neptune conjunct saturn

Betty Ford - April 8, 1918 - moon conjunct uranus in pisces and neptune conjunct saturn square mercury

Ulysses S. Grant - April 27, 1822 - uranus conjunct neptune square pluto and venus in pisces

Dylan Thomas - Oct 27, 1914 - neptune square sun and opposite uranus

F Scott Fitzgerald - Sept 24, 1896 - mars conjunct neptune and pluto

Mickey Mantle - Oct. 20, 1941 - neptune square jupiter

Jim Thorpe - May 28, 1887 - neptune conjunct mars and pluto


And some non-famous alcoholics
My father - April 28, 1917 - moon conjunct neptune square mars

My sister - September 12, 1955 - nothing

My cousin - Dec. 19, 1963 - neptune square saturn,the ruler of 3 planets in capricorn

you can confirm at www.astro.com where you can do them for free. Also 20% of psychics have sun in Pisces.:D

Seems pretty much all over the board to me, though April seems to be a bad month. But that's not Pices, is it?

see you

[woodwater]

apart from your sister only one has a not very strong influence, which leaves 10. not bad for astrology:D

[woodwater]

inhave moon in pisces and jupiter square neptune and had my booze perio in the 90s and took tranquilizers with alchool. so,one more:)

[Beady]

inhave moon in pisces and jupiter square neptune and had my booze perio in the 90s and took tranquilizers with alchool. so,one more:)

What? :confused:

[woodwater]

what you mean «what»?:mad:

[Curnir]

what you mean «what»?:mad:

Me thinks the 'what' is meant to express the total lack of understanding of the mindless dribble that you wrote.

[Kelly]

I, too, have no idea what woowater is trying to say.

[woodwater]

Me thinks the 'what' is meant to express the total lack of understanding of the mindless dribble that you wrote.

read my lips....i have moon in pisces and neptune square jupiter and in the 90s used to get drunk(booze) and even took tranquilizers with it

get it monkeys?:mad:

[BenK]

I don't understand how I'm supposed to be interpreting my chart, though I have no desire to learn. My birthday is Oct 28, 1978, can you tell me if my chart says I should be an alcoholic?

[sophia8]

Woodwater, why are you posting pro-astrology stuff here? You've been on this forum long enough to know what 90% of the members think about astrology.
You're just wasting your time.

[JPK]

Good morning woodwater.
see you
So what do you think this demonstrates? That the planets are somewhere? Were you expecting them to be missing or something?
JPK

[Curnir]

read my lips....i have moon in pisces and neptune square jupiter and in the 90s used to get drunk(booze) and even took tranquilizers with it

Yeeees that made it a whole lot clearer...

get it monkeys?:mad:

Monkeys?
Where?

[CFLarsen]

read my lips....i have moon in pisces and neptune square jupiter and in the 90s used to get drunk(booze) and even took tranquilizers with it

So, when the moon is in the 7th house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...what happens then?

Could you check your astrology charts?

[Correa Neto]

Oh, I'm convinced... Look how precise:
You may or may not be successful in your career, but that will not be as important to you as inner satisfaction. While you are young, your parents should understand this and help you discover your own needs rather than make you conform to other people's expectations.
And of course I want to rule the world...
Some people with this aspect feel that the only solution is to try to control the world, or at least their piece of it, and to be dominant. If this feeling gets too strong, you won't let anything stop you in your pursuit of power or authority. Watch very carefully when you don't intend any harm. Make sure that others understand your position at all times.
Look, it even speaks about my momma! Based just in my birthday date...
Quite likely your mother is very independent and has a busy life outside of being a mother. This aspect often signifies a parent who, like yourself, is a very free spirit.
Another hit (regardlessof the person):
Your early childhood experiences will have an unusually strong effect upon your whole life. Negative experiences in childhood may give rise to fears, which bring about compulsive behavior patterns and bad habits. You might not even be aware of these fears, but if you understood them consciously, they would be less difficult.
And one more!!!
Beginning of May 2005 until mid January 2007: This influence at the age of forty or forty-one marks a period of major transition in your life. This is the crisis of middle age when you have to come to terms with a number of realizations that may not all be pleasant. For example, even though you are not very old, you are no longer young. Have you accomplished or begun to accomplish what you wanted when you were younger? If you have, was it an appropriate accomplishment for you? Are you happy with your close relationships, your marriage, your work?
Hey, that's a good one:
Your most outstanding characteristic is attentiveness to the myriad particulars of sex - all the tiny nuances that make it an endlessly varied pursuit.
Its true:duck:
If I were not married, I would gladly present replicable evidence for selected skeptichicks of the truth of the above statement... So, ladies, you'll have accept this as anedoctal evidence.

[woodwater]

Really? Let's look up the birthdates of some famous alcoholics.

Winston Churchill - Nov. 30 1874
W C Fields - Jan 29, 1880
Dean Martin - June 7, 1917
Betty Ford - April 8, 1918
Ulysses S. Grant - April 27, 1822
Dylan Thomas - Oct 27, 1914
F Scott Fitzgerald - Sept 24, 1896
Mickey Mantle - Oct. 20, 1941
Jim Thorpe - May 28, 1887

And some non-famous alcoholics
My father - April 28, 1917
My sister - September 12, 1955
My cousin - Dec. 19, 1963

Seems pretty much all over the board to me, though April seems to be a bad month. But that's not Pices, is it?

why dont you send birthdates of non alchoolics so i can check if thwey dont have a bad neptune as the astrodatabank claims?:D

[woodwater]

So, when the moon is in the 7th house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars...what happens then?

Could you check your astrology charts?

what are you talking about?:mad:

[JPK]

Good afternoon woodwater.
why dont you send birthdates of non alchoolics so i can check if thwey dont have a bad neptune as the astrodatabank claims?:D
Why don't you describe what exactly a "bad Neptune" is first? What is a good Neptune?
JPK

[woodwater]

Woodwater, why are you posting pro-astrology stuff here? You've been on this forum long enough to know what 90% of the members think about astrology.
You're just wasting your time.

you scots have nothing undr your kilt. No wonder you say silly things

[woodwater]

Good afternoon woodwater.

Why don't you describe what exactly a "bad Neptune" is first? What is a good Neptune?
JPK
a bad neptune is square(90degrees) opposite(180degrees) or conjunct(0 degrees) a nothr planet:jaw-dropp

[JPK]

a bad neptune is square(90degrees) opposite(180degrees) or conjunct(0 degrees) a nothr planet:jaw-dropp

Exactly 90, 180, or 0 ? Not 90.1 degrees?
JPK

[CFLarsen]

what are you talking about?:mad:
Just check your charts.

[woodwater]

Exactly 90, 180, or 0 ? Not 90.1 degrees?
JPK

about 5 degrees either sise is acceptable

[woodwater]

about 5 degrees either sise is acceptable
sorry «either side»

[woodwater]

Woodwater, why are you posting pro-astrology stuff here? You've been on this forum long enough to know what 90% of the members think about astrology.
You're just wasting your time.

you sound like the astrologers who banned me from their forums because i challenged their beliefs.:mad:

[JPK]

about 5 degrees either sise is acceptable
What does about 5 degrees mean? Would 6 be ok? How about 5.1?
I'm not tring to pick on this, just tring to see where you draw the line. First it was 90, 180, or 0. Now it's 85-95, 175-185, 355-005. Actually it might be more since you say about 5 degrees.
JPK

[woodwater]

I don't understand how I'm supposed to be interpreting my chart, though I have no desire to learn. My birthday is Oct 28, 1978, can you tell me if my chart says I should be an alcoholic?

you have the signs for alcoholism or drug abuse. But not all people with these aspects were alchoolics. We have free will thank god.
are you one?
i need more non alcollic birthdates to verify:boxedin:

[woodwater]

What does about 5 degrees mean? Would 6 be ok? How about 5.1?
I'm not tring to pick on this, just tring to see where you draw the line. First it was 90, 180, or 0. Now it's 85-95, 175-185, 355-005. Actually it might be more since you say about 5 degrees.
JPK

for conjuncytion and opposition some astrologers go as far as 9 degrees and 7 for aquare. I use 5 for all.:)

[Meffy]

*tsk* Ought to be exactly on the dot precisely using a T-square and good sharp dividers. Don't go out tonight, 'cos it's bound to take your life. There's a bad Neptune on the rise.

[Big Les]

How about 3rd Jan 1979 (my birthdate)?

My only "drug" vice is tea and coffee.

[JPK]

for conjuncytion and opposition some astrologers go as far as 9 degrees and 7 for aquare. I use 5 for all.:)
Why do you think differant astrologers use differant numbers?
I take it that 5.1 degrees would be a miss then for you?
You have done a reading for me before but you didn't mention anything about if you detected alcholism. 6/16/66 New Jersey, USA.
JPK

[woodwater]

Why do you think differant astrologers use differant numbers?
I take it that 5.1 degrees would be a miss then for you?
You have done a reading for me before but you didn't mention anything about if you detected alcholism. 6/16/66 New Jersey, USA.
JPK

I did chinese astrology for you not western. Can you give me also birthtime?

[JPK]

I did chinese astrology for you not western. Can you give me also birthtime?
6:00 am. Creepy huh?
JPK

[JPK]

I did chinese astrology for you not western. Can you give me also birthtime?

Do chinese and western astrology confirm each other?

JPK

[woodwater]

Do chinese and western astrology confirm each other?

JPK
They focus on different things. Ill be back to you after doing the chart. Im only intersted in charts of non alcohoolics.:)

[woodwater]

6:00 am. Creepy huh?
JPK

yes you have signs that encourage alcohlism and escapism. Do you drink too much or are a teetotaller?

[JPK]

yes you have signs that encourage alcohlism and escapism. Do you drink too much or are a teetotaller?
What exactly in the reading points to that? Why is my Neptune bad?
JPK

[woodwater]

How about 3rd Jan 1979 (my birthdate)?

My only "drug" vice is tea and coffee.

You have very strong signs for alcoholism. This is getting interesting. In astrodatabank they say they found few people with these signs in non alcohoolics. More birthdates please. As you know the more the data the better the results. By the way the Moon in pisces should make you very vulnerable and sensitive. True?:)

[Curnir]

You have very strong signs for alcoholism. This is getting interesting. In astrodatabank they say they found few people with these signs in non alcohoolics. More birthdates please. As you know the more the data the better the results. By the way the Moon in pisces should make you very vulnerable and sensitive. True?:)

What?
No time of birth or place of birth?


And where are those monkeys?

[woodwater]

What exactly in the reading points to that? Why is my Neptune bad?
JPK
saturn in pisces square the sun , the moon and venus opposite neptune.

[woodwater]

What?
No time of birth or place of birth?


And where are those monkeys?

in this case i didnt need the time of birth to find signs just like in the birthdates of famous people that were sent tomme.

you are the monkey:eye-poppi :D

[CFLarsen]

about 5 degrees either sise is acceptable
How did you come by this number? Why about 5 degrees to either side? Why not 10? 20?

Please provide evidence.

[Meffy]

JPK, on what route do you get your kicks? O_:-} I'm getting a strong feeling there's a six involved, maybe a pair of them...

[JPK]

saturn in pisces square the sun , the moon and venus opposite neptune.
What are the degrees please? Forgive me for being ignorant of this but if any planet or satalite is within 5 degrees of 0,90,180 then a person will have a tendency toward alcholism? And is it just alcholism or an addictive personality that we are looking for?
JPK

[Curnir]

in this case i didnt need the time of birth to find signs just like in the birthdates of famous people that were sent tomme.

I seeeee, gee your 'method' sounds really acurate...
you are the monkey:eye-poppi :D
You flunked biology 101 didn't you?

[JPK]

JPK, on what route do you get your kicks? O_:-} I'm getting a strong feeling there's a six involved, maybe a pair of them...

Wow!!! That's amazing.
It's true!:)

(Actually I used to live on Route 22)
JPK

[woodwater]

What are the degrees please? Forgive me for being ignorant of this but if any planet or satalite is within 5 degrees of 0,90,180 then a person will have a tendency toward alcholism? And is it just alcholism or an addictive personality that we are looking for?
JPK

Dont you know what are degrees?:eye-poppi
The furher a planet draws away from the exact aspect,say 90 degrees, the weaker the influence,like in 95 degrees.

[CFLarsen]

Dont you know what are degrees?:eye-poppi
The furher a planet draws away from the exact aspect,say 90 degrees, the weaker the influence,like in 95 degrees.
Why?

Please answer the questions put to you.

[JPK]

Dont you know what are degrees?:eye-poppi
The furher a planet draws away from the exact aspect,say 90 degrees, the weaker the influence,like in 95 degrees. What is the position on the planets that you listed as leading me to alcholism?
JPK
Just to remind you.
saturn in pisces square the sun , the moon and venus opposite neptune

[Ladewig]

If you are measuring 5 degrees on either side, then it seems to me (perhaps mistakenly so) that on average there are a lot of days in any given year that have a "bad Neptune."

Let's look at 2005. Woodwater, can you tell me how many days in 2005 had a "bad Neptune"?

Also, is the other planet that is 90 or 180 or 0 degrees off of Neptune also somehow "bad"?

[sophia8]

you sound like the astrologers who banned me from their forums because i challenged their beliefs.:mad:I can't say I'm surprised.
BTW, which forums were those?

[woodwater]

I can't say I'm surprised.
BTW, which forums were those?

astrofengshui@yahoogroups.com

fourpillars-fengshui@yahoogroups.com

go there and kick the **** out of them:jaw-dropp

[woodwater]

What is the position on the planets that you listed as leading me to alcholism?
JPK
Just to remind you.

can you be more specific?:cool:

[woodwater]

If you are measuring 5 degrees on either side, then it seems to me (perhaps mistakenly so) that on average there are a lot of days in any given year that have a "bad Neptune."

Let's look at 2005. Woodwater, can you tell me how many days in 2005 had a "bad Neptune"?

Also, is the other planet that is 90 or 180 or 0 degrees off of Neptune also somehow "bad"?

on the contrary. neptune moves very slow and it can only make bad aspects to 3 signs a year:eek: , and only a little part of those signs.

[Meffy]

Wow!!! That's amazing.
It's true!:)

(Actually I used to live on Route 22)


Hot diggity! A third of a million dollars is plenty copacetic with me.

[woodwater]

but please more birthdates of people not addicted to alcohool or drugs.
it seems your suspicions may be right.

[JPK]

can you be more specific?:cool: More to the point, can you be more specific.
You said:
saturn in pisces square the sun , the moon and venus opposite neptune. saturn in pisces square the sun= what degree exactly? 90 degrees exactly?
the moon and venus opposite neptune= what degree exactly? 180 degrees exactly?
JPK

[CFLarsen]

woodwater,

Answer my questions, please.

[JPK]

on the contrary. neptune moves very slow and it can only make bad aspects to 3 signs a year:eek: , and only a little part of those signs.
Are you saying that in 1966 alcohlism is confined to only three signs of the zodiac? What are the other two drunken signs that year?
JPK

[Meffy]

but please more birthdates of people not addicted to alcohool or drugs.
Wouldn't it be better to work up your dates without knowing whether the people involved were addicted or not until after you've made your charts?

[sesmo_k]

Do mine: 17 January 1975, 2150 hrs.

[JPK]

but please more birthdates of people not addicted to alcohool or drugs.
it seems your suspicions may be right.
Also, what do you consider someone addicted to alcohol or drugs? Is a drink a day bad? Once a week? At the occasional party?
JPK

[woodwater]

Do mine: 17 January 1975, 2150 hrs.

you have one of the strongest signs for alcohoolism or drug addiction. Are you or were you one?:)

[woodwater]

Also, what do you consider someone addicted to alcohol or drugs? Is a drink a day bad? Once a week? At the occasional party?
JPK

no,just real addicted to alcohool, a beer a day is not a problem.

[woodwater]

Are you saying that in 1966 alcohlism is confined to only three signs of the zodiac? What are the other two drunken signs that year?
JPK

4, but then dont forget people with planets in pisces.

[Belz...]

read my lips....i have moon in pisces and neptune square jupiter and in the 90s used to get drunk(booze) and even took tranquilizers with it

That's because you have a problem with alcohol. It doesn't have anything to do with masses of aggregated first-generation supernovae matter.

[psy kick]

Hi woody. Former astrologer here, so I understand the terms you are using.
heres some birthdates

Dec. 8, 1914
August 29, 1962 7a.m.
Nov. 26, 1958 7 p.m.

Find the alcoholic and explain why.
Since I (and many others) have Sun exactly square Pluto, maybe you can tell me what you think that means.

[psy kick]

Maybe if we send a rocket to neptune and blow it up,we can cure alcoholism!


(edited for spelling)

[jon]

but then dont forget people with planets in pisces.

Is this a wind up - people in Pisces drink like fish :p

btw, read an article about astrology in Private Eye today. Apparently the Daily Mail's astrologer Jonathan Cainer has been making some interesting predictions. In one of his forecasts in the paper, *all* signs were told to call a premium rate phone number as their stars showed that there was excellent news to tell them; on another day the column predicted that the premium rate number could offer "a powerful, inspiring and important prediction" to readers in all star signs :D

(edited for grammar)

[woodwater]

Hi woody. Former astrologer here, so I understand the terms you are using.
heres some birthdates

Dec. 8, 1914
August 29, 1962 7a.m.
Nov. 26, 1958 7 p.m.

Find the alcoholic and explain why.
Since I (and many others) have Sun exactly square Pluto, maybe you can tell me what you think that means.
the one born in november has no signs of alcohoolism. the one born in august looks like the one, although the first also has the signs, that is bad aspects betwen neptune and other planets or a planet or more in pisces.
I did the charts for new york,but they wouldnt be very different in any other place above the 30 paralel:D

[psy kick]

Well, that was somewhat impressive.
I am the November and have no alcoholism, never drink, infact.
The Dec. most definitely is(was) and the Aug. was, including drug addiciton.
Not too shabby.

Give me the dirt on Sun square Pluto(by a few minutes to exact)

[De_Bunk]

Woodwater...

I'll give you this much...At least you respond with relevant answers...and try to explain your thinking...

At least you don't claim to be a skeptic...

I'll give you a date...and i'll respond honestly...No BS from me...

6 / 14 / 1963 @ 1300hrs (US)

14 / 6 / 1963 @ 1300hrs (UK)

Now give it a shot...if you get near...I promise i will say so...


DB

[sesmo_k]

you have one of the strongest signs for alcohoolism or drug addiction. Are you or were you one?:)

Nope, am not and never have been addicted to either alcohol or drugs. Guess thats not a hit then

[De_Bunk]

PS...

Psy kick...what a 'skeptic' you're turning out to be...

Astrology...Invisible beings...Possessed books...

Yeh...I can see why you truly think your a 'skeptic'...

It just gets better everytime you post...

DB

[psy kick]

The samples we are giving are really not large enough to be statistically significant, however.
And if these people with badly aspected neptunes were not alcoholics, it could be said they overcame the temptation, but were inclined to it.

I will ignore the cheap shot out of left field.

woodward-I suggest my son will be an exception to your theory, and his chart is march 16, 93 at 3 pm. bad aspects, man.

[psy kick]

PS...

Psy kick...what a 'skeptic' you're turning out to be...

Astrology...Invisible beings...Possessed books...

Yeh...I can see why you truly think your a 'skeptic'...

It just gets better everytime you post...

DB
get over your infatuation with me, I am not interested in jerks.

[woodwater]

Woodwater...

I'll give you this much...At least you respond with relevant answers...and try to explain your thinking...

At least you don't claim to be a skeptic...

I'll give you a date...and i'll respond honestly...No BS from me...

6 / 14 / 1963 @ 1300hrs (US)

14 / 6 / 1963 @ 1300hrs (UK)

Now give it a shot...if you get near...I promise i will say so...

wow very strong signs. Moon in vulnerable Pisces square Sun . Neptune in water sign square saturn. I bet he is addicted or was


DB
o:boxedin:

[De_Bunk]

Psy Kick..

How is the truth a cheap shot...I am only repeating your claims...

DB

[woodwater]

Psy Kick..

How is the truth a cheap shot...I am only repeating your claims...

DB
so is it true or what?

[psy kick]

You must have missed my post above where I said astrology is not true. Reading lessons needed.

[psy kick]

Great Gosh Almighty! I used to be an astrologer, and was heavily into it and I can tell you it doesn't work. You have to make up stuff, what doesn't fit gets explained away. Astrology beleivers are easily persuaded its true.
See?

sorry to hijack, wood, please keep going.

[De_Bunk]

Woodwater...

As a non astrologist...

You're gonna have to go a bit deeper than that and explain in a bit more detail...

Vunerable...Squared Pisces...When the moon is is the seventh house...etc...I dunno...What does all that acutally mean...

What are my traits, personality...etc...

I'm interested...NO BS...NO flaming...

Explain...and like i said...If you get near...I promise i will say so...

DB

[woodwater]

Nope, am not and never have been addicted to either alcohol or drugs. Guess thats not a hit then

good. im here to prove astrology doesnt work but in astrology forums they dont reply which is frustrating. But please be sincere in your answers. Dont just try to turn me on a skeptic:rolleyes:

[De_Bunk]

Psy Kick...

Former believer in Astrology...Now believes in demonically possessed books and invisible beings...yet claims to a be a skeptic...

Nah...that doesnt kinda prove my exact point now...does it...

I read just fine...


DB

[psy kick]

There are 12 signs, in a circle. Square mean 2 planets are 90 degrees apart, conjunct mean in the same sign. Opposite..obvious there.
The worst is a total square, 4 plants all square or opposite each other. They could be in the cardinal, fixed, and mutable.

woodward-did you see my son's planets? Moon, neptune, uranus together square venus and jupiter?
The point is, with bad aspects, people can still be taught to stay away from alcohol.

[psy kick]

Psy Kick...

Former believer in Astrology...Now believes in demonically possessed books and invisible beings...yet claims to a be a skeptic...




DBI never believed in possessed books.
Yes, I believe there are angels and demons, in fact, I know.
But do not engage in "debate" you are being ignored because your vindictiveness is too offensive. I'm sure another stupid comment will follow.

[hellaeon]

Woodwater, simple test. Read someone any star sign after] the fact. Eg end of the day, read them some star signs daily spiel, but not neccessarily theirs. Do it for a week. Choose the same for a week.

Simple tests like this is where it just falls on its face.

Also, dont tell them the test or what your trying to acheive. It will bias the results.

after hundreds of years astrology is no further in scientific terms then when it first was created.

[De_Bunk]

Psy Kick...

Ok...

But i'm quite sure a follower of Islam wouldnt run and hide...

Whats offensive...YOU called yourself a skeptic...I didnt...

Run...as they all do when confronted by 'real' skeptics..and thats what they all do here...just run away...

I didnt make ridiculous claims...I didnt claim to believe in invisible beings, Angels and demons...

And yes...re-read your previous posts..you claimed a book was giving off evil vibes...if that doesnt mean possessed...what does it mean..?

DB

[woodwater]

Woodwater...

As a non astrologist...

You're gonna have to go a bit deeper than that and explain in a bit more detail...

Vunerable...Squared Pisces...When the moon is is the seventh house...etc...I dunno...What does all that acutally mean...

What are my traits, personality...etc...

I'm interested...NO BS...NO flaming...

Explain...and like i said...If you get near...I promise i will say so...

DB
youre asking for an astrology course which is unpractical here. I thought you wanted to know about alcohoolism. Ill give another shot to yur chart.
you have a nice voice,maybe good for singing.
You try hard to be an intelectual type, open minded, very comunicative and versatile, very rational but the square from the moon in pisces makes you overwhelmed by sensitivity,emotion, vulnerability, even paranoia maybe, psycothic, a bit morbid. You are attracted to philosophy, universities and travel above all. Libra rising makes relationships and marriage very important, you need the twin soul, and you believe in balance,equilibrium. Youre not an extremist. True?

[hellaeon]

You try hard to be an intelectual type, open minded, very comunicative and versatile, very rational but the square from the moon in pisces makes you overwhelmed by sensitivity,emotion, vulnerability, even paranoia maybe, psycothic, a bit morbid. You are attracted to philosophy, universities and travel above all. Libra rising makes relationships and marriage very important, you need the twin soul, and you believe in balance,equilibrium. Youre not an extremist. True?


hahahaha nice, im sure that applies to most.

[woodwater]

There are 12 signs, in a circle. Square mean 2 planets are 90 degrees apart, conjunct mean in the same sign. Opposite..obvious there.
The worst is a total square, 4 plants all square or opposite each other. They could be in the cardinal, fixed, and mutable.

woodward-did you see my son's planets? Moon, neptune, uranus together square venus and jupiter?
The point is, with bad aspects, people can still be taught to stay away from alcohol.
oh definetely! the fact that a large number of these people are non alcohoolics proves that we can choose to be drunkards or not. He should channel his energy to arts. Thats the best fior a bad neptune or Pis:D ces.

[woodwater]

hahahaha nice, im sure that applies to most.

well a stromng fire or earth person would not be sensitive,vulnerable, balanced,in the case of fire, intelectual but rather physical types,atracted to sports and extrovert or dull and boring,in case of earth signs

[De_Bunk]

Woodwater...

1. Yes..I can hold a tune and have sung in public by invite, when i was younger.

2. No...I do not try hard to an intellectual...I find it very easy...Please don't let my online persona fool you. I have a very high standard of education.

3. No and Yes..I am 'Opened minded' and prepared to listen to things that i think, thru logical, rational explanation, are feasible.

4. No...I am not overwhelmed by sensitivity and emotion. I am not 'vunerable' or suffer from any kind of paranoia.

5. Yes...I am morbid.

6. Yes...I am attracted to philosophy and have an educational connection with the local University.

7. No..Travel means jack squat to me...unless i have to.

8. No..I can very easily be an 'extremist' and on occasions have been.


A lot of things tho', as has been proven before, can apply to everyone...But overall, not a bad guess...


DB

[Tarot_Is_A_Card_Game!]

I'd be curious to know if belief in astrology has been increasing or declining since the 1970's. It appears to have been more prevalent during the 70's with "what's your sign" being a popular pick-up line at the time. Has it been declining since then, or has it somehow been increasing over the years?

[psy kick]

psycothic, no comment

[JPK]

no,just real addicted to alcohool, a beer a day is not a problem.

Like the other reading you had done for me, this prediction of addiction seems to be off the mark. You tell me though. I do enjoy a good scotch. I like a nice wine with a good meal. I will smoke a cigar or cig. from time to time. I might have a couple of drinks a day for a week and I might go weeks without one. I might smoke 6 cigs or cigars a year.
JPK

[psy kick]

good. im here to prove astrology doesnt work but in astrology forums they dont reply which is frustrating. But please be sincere in your answers. Dont just try to turn me on a skeptic:rolleyes:
I sense you are a capricorn. ;)

[psy kick]

Like the other reading you had done for me, this prediction of addiction seems to be off the mark. You tell me though. I do enjoy a good scotch. I like a nice wine with a good meal. I will smoke a cigar or cig. from time to time. I might have a couple of drinks a day for a week and I might go weeks without one. I might smoke 6 cigs or cigars a year.
JPK
Geminis are like that.

[woodwater]

I'd be curious to know if belief in astrology has been increasing or declining since the 1970's. It appears to have been more prevalent during the 70's with "what's your sign" being a popular pick-up line at the time. Has it been declining since then, or has it somehow been increasing over the years?good question. i bacame interted in the 70s when it was trendy, i noticed that after a few years astrologers began to wear suits, appear scientific, and even skeptical countries like Germany began to be interested in astrology. Then came the chinas with fshui and chinese astrology. They also wear suits,look respectable and find it disrespectful when we challenge their beliefs.:D

[woodwater]

I sense you are a capricorn. ;)

i am. but didnt i tell you guys before?:confused:

[woodwater]

Like the other reading you had done for me, this prediction of addiction seems to be off the mark. You tell me though. I do enjoy a good scotch. I like a nice wine with a good meal. I will smoke a cigar or cig. from time to time. I might have a couple of drinks a day for a week and I might go weeks without one. I might smoke 6 cigs or cigars a year.
JPK
But youre not addicted. Dont tell me i have to explain what is a drunkard? Get a dictionary:mad:

[woodwater]

Geminis are like that.

yeah geminis can eat only salad one week, only chinese another. they have «manias»:D

[De_Bunk]

Psy Kick...

I see you have 'No Comment' for the word "psycothic"...

I agree...


Well...I might have a comment if i could find out what that word meant...


DB

[JPK]

But youre not addicted. Dont tell me i have to explain what is a drunkard? Get a dictionary:mad: I simply try to get you to agree to a standard before you move the goal posts. I did that with the first reading you did for me, using chinese astrology. What does a reading using western astrology say?
I am not trying to be combative. I am trying to help you in your investigation into the accuracy of astrology. Feedback helps right?
JPK

[woodwater]

I simply try to get you to agree to a standard before you move the goal posts. I did that with the first reading you did for me, using chinese astrology. What does a reading using western astrology say?
I am not trying to be combative. I am trying to help you in your investigation into the accuracy of astrology. Feedback helps right?
JPK

yeah but stop pointing that gun at me:p

[Big Les]

You have very strong signs for alcoholism. This is getting interesting. In astrodatabank they say they found few people with these signs in non alcohoolics. More birthdates please. As you know the more the data the better the results. By the way the Moon in pisces should make you very vulnerable and sensitive. True?:)

More interesting than you know. My partner has been alcoholic and has the very same birthdate.

It's true that both of us regard ourselves as "vulnerable and sensitive", but we are quite different personalities otherwise, not least with regard to alcoholism.

[JPK]

yeah but stop pointing that gun at me:p

I'm just a fan of Shatner. No gun pointed. I'm very responsible. For some reason my birthday drives readers nuts. I think it might have something to do with thier predeterimed notions. I could be wrong. What if I was a twin? then what?
JPK

[Kochanski]

What does about 5 degrees mean? Would 6 be ok? How about 5.1?
I'm not tring to pick on this, just tring to see where you draw the line. First it was 90, 180, or 0. Now it's 85-95, 175-185, 355-005. Actually it might be more since you say about 5 degrees.
JPK

Speaking of degrees of any sort is pretty much a moot point kids. Stars and planets are not just painted on a flat plane for us to draw lines between, they exist in THREE dimensions. 5 degrees in which of the three dimensions?

The pretty pictures and interesting relationships between stars and planets you see and astrologers see are MEANINGLESS when it comes to their actual location in space and their relationship to other objects in space. They are useful only in helping us to find our way around the sky to observe things and for people to use to navigate at night.

Which is one of the reasons (and there are many) why, Woodwater astrology is complete and utter CARP. Fish everywhere and as about as useful unless you are a bit peckish and like to eat seafood. And so, so long and thanks for all the fish, to this nonsense thread.

[JPK]

Speaking of degrees of any sort is pretty much a moot point kids. Stars and planets are not just painted on a flat plane for us to draw lines between, they exist in THREE dimensions. 5 degrees in which of the three dimensions?

The pretty pictures and interesting relationships between stars and planets you see and astrologers see are MEANINGLESS when it comes to their actual location in space and their relationship to other objects in space. They are useful only in helping us to find our way around the sky to observe things and for people to use to navigate at night.

Which is one of the reasons (and there are many) why, Woodwater astrology is complete and utter CARP. Fish everywhere and as about as useful unless you are a bit peckish and like to eat seafood. And so, so long and thanks for all the fish, to this nonsense thread. Dam you to hell!!!! I'm goin there!!!! :)

JPK

[Pup]

Here's one for you, that should be pretty clear cut:

Nov. 19, 1959, 8:16 a.m., middle of US

This person either has a non-addictive personality (can take or leave alcohol, has gone years without drinking or being tempted to, never interested in recreational drugs) or has struggled with alcoholism and drug use all their life (drank daily for many years, became addicted twice to prescription painkillers).

Which is it?

[psy kick]

Tough call. Their sun is close to their neptune, if I recall correctly, and square uranus (I know) so my guess is addictive.

[Ladewig]

a bad neptune is square(90degrees) opposite(180degrees) or conjunct(0 degrees) another planet

saturn in pisces square the sun , the moon and venus opposite neptune.


On the contrary. Neptune moves very slow and it can only make bad aspects to 3 signs a year , and only a little part of those signs.


I'm not following here. Is a "bad Neptune" one that is 0, 90, or 180 degrees from the apparent position of another planet (as in "the moon and Venus opposite Neptune") or is it 0, 90, or 180 degrees from a constellation (as in "bad aspects to 3 signs a year")? If the former, then Neptune would make one 0-degree angle, two 90-degree angles, and one 180-degree angle with the moon every 28 days. If the latter then would there be four signs each year (0, 90 degrees in one direction, 90 degrees in the other direction, and 180 degrees).

[JPK]

Good evning Ladewig.
I'm not following here. Is a "bad Neptune" one that is 0, 90, or 180 degrees from the apparent position of another planet (as in "the moon and Venus opposite Neptune") or is it 0, 90, or 180 degrees from a constellation (as in "bad aspects to 3 signs a year")? If the former, then Neptune would make one 0-degree angle, two 90-degree angles, and one 180-degree angle with the moon every 28 days. If the latter then would there be four signs each year (0, 90 degrees in one direction, 90 degrees in the other direction, and 180 degrees).
Are you trying to get specific?

Good luck.

JPK

[woodwater]

Good evning Ladewig.

Are you trying to get specific?

Good luck.

JPKi think the best tsts would be on females cause males are culturally drawn to alcohool. In England nearly everybody is an alcojhoolic.:D

[woodwater]

Tough call. Their sun is close to their neptune, if I recall correctly, and square uranus (I know) so my guess is addictive.

no the sun is far from neptune so he is non addictive:)

[CFLarsen]

woodwater,

How did you come by this number?

Why about 5 degrees to either side?

Why not 10? 20?

Please provide evidence.

[sophia8]

good. im here to prove astrology doesnt work but in astrology forums they dont reply which is frustrating. But please be sincere in your answers. Dont just try to turn me on a skeptic:rolleyes:What, if any, Western astrology forums have you posted on?
If you're attempting to erect and interpret charts without place and time of birth, no wonder you're getting a poor reception.

[woodwater]

What, if any, Western astrology forums have you posted on?
If you're attempting to erect and interpret charts without place and time of birth, no wonder you're getting a poor reception.

for the purpose of finding alcohoolics the birthtime is not strictly necessary:D

[Ladewig]

You seemed to have missed my simple questions, so let me repeat them.

:
a bad neptune is square(90degrees) opposite(180degrees) or conjunct(0 degrees) another planet

:
saturn in pisces square the sun , the moon and venus opposite neptune.



:
On the contrary. Neptune moves very slow and it can only make bad aspects to 3 signs a year , and only a little part of those signs.



I'm not following here. Is a "bad Neptune" one that is 0, 90, or 180 degrees from the apparent position of another planet (as in "the moon and Venus opposite Neptune") or is it 0, 90, or 180 degrees from a constellation (as in "bad aspects to 3 signs a year")? If the former, then Neptune would make one 0-degree angle, two 90-degree angles, and one 180-degree angle with the moon every 28 days. If the latter then would there be four signs each year (0 degrees, 90 degrees in one direction, 90 degrees in the other direction, and 180 degrees).

[Meffy]

I don't suppose this is helpful, but the worst Neptune I ever saw was in an amateur "Little Mermaid" fan-art picture.

[psy kick]

no the sun is far from neptune so he is non addictive:)From my recollection, its not that far away, both being in scorpio.

[Curnir]

I don't suppose this is helpful, but the worst Neptune I ever saw was in an amateur "Little Mermaid" fan-art picture.

Neptune did not appear in Disneys 'the little mermaid'.

Ariel's Father is King Triton (one of neptunes minor gods)

[woodwater]

From my recollection, its not that far away, both being in scorpio.
one is at the start the other at the end of scorpio:mad:

[woodwater]

You seemed to have missed my simple questions, so let me repeat them.

planet not constellation.;)








I'm not following here. Is a "bad Neptune" one that is 0, 90, or 180 degrees from the apparent position of another planet (as in "the moon and Venus opposite Neptune") or is it 0, 90, or 180 degrees from a constellation (as in "bad aspects to 3 signs a year")? If the former, then Neptune would make one 0-degree angle, two 90-degree angles, and one 180-degree angle with the moon every 28 days. If the latter then would there be four signs each year (0 degrees, 90 degrees in one direction, 90 degrees in the other direction, and 180 degrees).

planet not constellation

[CFLarsen]

woodwater,

How did you come by this number?

Why about 5 degrees to either side?

Why not 10? 20?

Please provide evidence.

[Kochanski]

for the purpose of finding alcohoolics the birthtime is not strictly necessary:D

You are still attempting to predict something with complete and utter nonsense. For that I sentence you to look at this picture. It has far more meaning that astrology ever will, it is called "Concrete thought and utter nonsense".

[woodwater]

with all the talk i forgot how many of you are non alcohoolics with signs of alcohoolism. do you know?:jaw-dropp :mad: :confused: :cool: :boxedin:

[JPK]

with all the talk i forgot how many of you are non alcohoolics with signs of alcohoolism. do you know?:jaw-dropp :mad: :confused: :cool: :boxedin:

Good afternoon woodwater.

You stated that my reading indicates that I have alcoholistic and escapism tendencies. After I told you about my drinking habits, would you say that the reading was accurate?
Would you mind doing a reading using western astrology for me. I would like to see how it compares to the Chinese reading you did before.
JPK

[JPK]

Here are some birthdays that I think would be interesting to try.
3-5-1955
3-15-1955
5-14-1928
10-13-1965

JPK

[Ladewig]

Well, time to get this thread back on track. The title is "Evidence for Astrology?" The answer to your question, Woodwater is no. I followed the link you provided , clicked on the word "research' and found an ad for some software. That is not evidence.

I did note that just above the glowing description of this marvelous software was this quote:

At AstroDatabank, we're not so much interested in "proving astrology" as improving [italics sic] astrology. Proving astrology would require rigorous data collection and advanced statistics that would bore anybody with less than four planets in Virgo.

So they are not interested in rigorous data collection - what a frikin' surprise.

Woodwater, feel free to post evidence for astrology in this thread. You haven't done so yet. Kochanski is right, astrology (both western and Chinese) is nonsense.

[woodwater]

Good afternoon woodwater.

You stated that my reading indicates that I have alcoholistic and escapism tendencies. After I told you about my drinking habits, would you say that the reading was accurate?
Would you mind doing a reading using western astrology for me. I would like to see how it compares to the Chinese reading you did before.
JPK

ell me your birthdate time and place:)

[woodwater]

Well, time to get this thread back on track. The title is "Evidence for Astrology?" The answer to your question, Woodwater is no. I followed the link you provided , clicked on the word "research' and found an ad for some software. That is not evidence.

I did note that just above the glowing description of this marvelous software was this quote:

yes but they did rsearch. did you read the articles?


So they are not interested in rigorous data collection - what a frikin' surprise.

Woodwater, feel free to post evidence for astrology in this thread. You haven't done so yet. Kochanski is right, astrology (both western and Chinese) is nonsense.
yes but they did research. did you read evrything?

[JPK]

ell me your birthdate time and place:)
6/16/66 @ 6:00am in New Jersey, USA
JPK

[CFLarsen]

woodwater,

How did you come by this number?

Why about 5 degrees to either side?

Why not 10? 20?

Please provide evidence.

[woodwater]

Here are some birthdays that I think would be interesting to try.
3-5-1955
3-15-1955
5-14-1928
10-13-1965

JPK

all them have the signs especially the one born in 1928. The first two have the signs but their pisces has good aspects so they might have channeled their tendency for escapisim into arts:)

[woodwater]

6/16/66 @ 6:00am in New Jersey, USA
JPK

so many 6s. maybe you are the anti christ of the bible eheh:D

[CFLarsen]

woodwater,

How did you come by this number?

Why about 5 degrees to either side?

Why not 10? 20?

Please provide evidence.

[woodwater]

6/16/66 @ 6:00am in New Jersey, USA
JPK

If you werent born 5 minutes before 6, then you have cancer rising. a side of you is very attached to mother and family and is a hoarder. vulnerable,but protects yourself with an hard front. Mars in gemini makes you polemic, agressive with words rather than physically. You like a good argument, you would make a good lawyer. Being gemini you are intelectual, like to be a go betwen betwen twio opposite points of view, but avoid giving your opinion till the end. You may have double prsonality.
Moon in taurus makes you very grounded, and your mothers influence is very striong. You are more stable than the typical airy gemini.
uranus and pluto in 4. There may be instability in the home front. You move around and have difficulty finding roots.Maybe you didnt feel at home in place of birth. True so far?:D

[Kochanski]

yes but they did research. did you read evrything?

Lots and lots of research on nonsense is still nonsense. 0x0=0, 1,000,000x0 is still 0.

It is only evidence of their DESIRE TO SELL THEIR USELESS COMPUTER PROGRAM.

[woodwater]

woodwater,

How did you come by this number?

Why about 5 degrees to either side?

Why not 10? 20?

Please provide evidence.

it is based on exoperience. some astrologers use 10 vedic astrologers in India 30.

[CFLarsen]

If you werent born 5 minutes before 6, then you have cancer rising. a side of you is very attached to mother and family and is a hoarder. vulnerable,but protects yourself with an hard front. Mars in gemini makes you polemic, agressive with words rather than physically. You like a good argument, you would make a good lawyer. Being gemini you are intelectual, like to be a go betwen betwen twio opposite points of view, but avoid giving your opinion till the end. You may have double prsonality.
Moon in taurus makes you very grounded, and your mothers influence is very striong. You are more stable than the typical airy gemini.
uranus and pluto in 4. There may be instability in the home front. You move around and have difficulty finding roots.Maybe you didnt feel at home in place of birth. True so far?:D
For me, yes. (The reason is that this is so general, it fits a looooot of people)

But...that's not my birth data.

How do you explain that?

[woodwater]

Lots and lots of research on nonsense is still nonsense. 0x0=0, 1,000,000x0 is still 0.

It is only evidence of their DESIRE TO SELL THEIR USELESS COMPUTER PROGRAM.

maybe,but thats why some people expert in statistics are repeating the tests.wait a few days.:eye-poppi

[CFLarsen]

it is based on exoperience. some astrologers use 10 vedic astrologers in India 30.
I need to see the data.

Please provide it.

[JPK]

all them have the signs especially the one born in 1928. The first two have the signs but their pisces has good aspects so they might have channeled their tendency for escapisim into arts:)

OK. This is interesting.
3-5-1955 is Penn Jillette. He claims not to drink at all or do drugs.
3-15-1955 is Dee Snyder of Twisted Sister fame. Also claims to not drink or do drugs.
5-14-28 is my mom who may have had 3 sips of wine in her life.
10-13-65 is a friend and she does in fact drink everyday.

Do you feel your reading was accurate?
JPK

[woodwater]

OK. This is interesting.
3-5-1955 is Penn Jillette. He claims not to drink at all or do drugs.
3-15-1955 is Dee Snyder of Twisted Sister fame. Also claims to not drink or do drugs.
5-14-28 is my mom who may have had 3 sips of wine in her life.
10-13-65 is a friend and she does in fact drink everyday.

Do you feel your reading was accurate?
JPK

not at all. But i needcsome more data. Tests are done with large numbes of people.:D

[Kochanski]

maybe,but thats why some people expert in statistics are repeating the tests.wait a few days.:eye-poppi

The statistics are meaningless. You can put the best experts in the world on this, but when the basis of the thing (astrology) is complete and utter carp, it does not matter what experts you put on it.

The premise for astrology is carp. You can not ignore this. The pictures you see in the sky, the relationships between planets and stars is NOT just 2 dimensional. They exist in three dimensions, so all your calculations are completely WRONG.

You can play around with this all you like, but it is MEANINGLESS. Even when you come up with "predictions" they are so general they could apply to just about anyone or could be what anyone WANTS TO HEAR. Meanless carp.

[JPK]

Good afternoon woodwater.
This is what the Chinese reading you did for me said:

this is an extremely strong fire chart. You are individualistic,short tempered, passionate, temperamental, love your friends, they are very important to you and you like to do everything with them. You cannot have bosses, you have to folow your own will, nothing can stop you, you cant stand restrictions of any kind.
And this the Western reading.
If you werent born 5 minutes before 6, then you have cancer rising. a side of you is very attached to mother and family and is a hoarder. vulnerable,but protects yourself with an hard front. Mars in gemini makes you polemic, agressive with words rather than physically. You like a good argument, you would make a good lawyer. Being gemini you are intelectual, like to be a go betwen betwen twio opposite points of view, but avoid giving your opinion till the end. You may have double prsonality.
Moon in taurus makes you very grounded, and your mothers influence is very striong. You are more stable than the typical airy gemini.
uranus and pluto in 4. There may be instability in the home front. You move around and have difficulty finding roots.Maybe you didnt feel at home in place of birth. True so far?

The Chinese reading was really off the mark and I let you know about that. I figured this one would be closer simply because you could have read what I said about myself after the last reading. I must say that it certainly appears that you did not do that.
Whereas I like my family, I would not say I'm really close with them. I have a brother that lives 15 minutes from me and rarely see him. My mother and sisters live about 3 hours away and see then very rarely. This might seem sad but I had to call my mother in order to get her birthday. I was aware of the day but not the year.
I am the mediator in disputes between friends and and such and I do enjoy that role. I did move 1 year ago to where I live now. I just signed a 2 year lease and have little intention of moving at the end of that lease either. I lived at my last address for 18 years.
I've had just three address in my life and only four differant employers. I actually work in the town I was born and live on 10 minutes from there. I feel pretty at home here.
I hope this helps you.
JPK

[woodwater]

Good afternoon woodwater.
This is what the Chinese reading you did for me said:
And this the Western reading.


The Chinese reading was really off the mark and I let you know about that. I figured this one would be closer simply because you could have read what I said about myself after the last reading. I must say that it certainly appears that you did not do that.
Whereas I like my family, I would not say I'm really close with them. I have a brother that lives 15 minutes from me and rarely see him. My mother and sisters live about 3 hours away and see then very rarely. This might seem sad but I had to call my mother in order to get her birthday. I was aware of the day but not the year.
I am the mediator in disputes between friends and and such and I do enjoy that role. I did move 1 year ago to where I live now. I just signed a 2 year lease and have little intention of moving at the end of that lease either. I lived at my last address for 18 years.
I've had just three address in my life and only four differant employers. I actually work in the town I was born and live on 10 minutes from there. I feel pretty at home here.
I hope this helps you.
JPK

most americans move home about 10 times in their life so i guess i got it wrong. But are you sure you werent born a few minutes before 6? The problem with your chart is that you are in the change from one sign to another and birthcertificates are usually made a few minutes after the peson is born,as far as i knoew.:)

[woodwater]

The statistics are meaningless. You can put the best experts in the world on this, but when the basis of the thing (astrology) is complete and utter carp, it does not matter what experts you put on it.

The premise for astrology is carp. You can not ignore this. The pictures you see in the sky, the relationships between planets and stars is NOT just 2 dimensional. They exist in three dimensions, so all your calculations are completely WRONG.

You can play around with this all you like, but it is MEANINGLESS. Even when you come up with "predictions" they are so general they could apply to just about anyone or could be what anyone WANTS TO HEAR. Meanless carp.

where can i read about those dimentions? any website?
Sounds interesting.:D

[Ersby]

where can i read about those dimentions? any website?
Sounds interesting.:D

Do a google search on height, length and width.

(It says I edited this post, but I didn't)

[JPK]

most americans move home about 10 times in their life so i guess i got it wrong. But are you sure you werent born a few minutes before 6? The problem with your chart is that you are in the change from one sign to another and birthcertificates are usually made a few minutes after the peson is born,as far as i knoew.:)

Actually I was born a little after 6:00am. I think the doctor was digging the amount of sixs in my birthday as well.
Who knows, maybe I will move 7 more times before I die.
I tend to think what some of the others have said in this thread is correct. I can't see anyway how astrology could possibly work. Space is 3-D. What force could possibly be at work from the other planets, that would influence someones entire life. What about twins with entirely differant lives?
Why can you pick up two differant astrology readings and have them contradict each other?
I do appreciate the time and effort that you have put into doing the readings for me though. Thanks.
JPK

[Kochanski]

where can i read about those dimentions? any website?
Sounds interesting.:D

How about you stop wasting all this apparent energy and time you have in researching astrology and study ASTRONOMY, a real science. Learn about stars, planets, moons, galaxies, etc. Learn about distances between them, because, woodwater, newsflash, the Earth is not the center of all things. We are but one small planet that has a rather ordinary star as the center of our solar system that exists on an arm of our galaxy. And there is lots of interesting info to learn there.

Now, granted, astrology makes humans seem far more special since it seems to say that all of the universe somehow has a huge influence on us as individuals, but sometimes you just have to grow up and realize that your not all that important and that you need to take responsibility for who you are and what you do and not simply slough it off as ordained by your "stars".

[woodwater]

How about you stop wasting all this apparent energy and time you have in researching astrology and study ASTRONOMY, a real science. Learn about stars, planets, moons, galaxies, etc. Learn about distances between them, because, woodwater, newsflash, the Earth is not the center of all things. We are but one small planet that has a rather ordinary star as the center of our solar system that exists on an arm of our galaxy. And there is lots of interesting info to learn there.

Now, granted, astrology makes humans seem far more special since it seems to say that all of the universe somehow has a huge influence on us as individuals, but sometimes you just have to grow up and realize that your not all that important and that you need to take responsibility for who you are and what you do and not simply slough it off as ordained by your "stars".

agree completely. Anty good links for astronomy and information on new scientific discoveries in all fields?:)

[psy kick]

If you werent born 5 minutes before 6, then you have cancer rising. a side of you is very attached to mother and family and is a hoarder. vulnerable,but protects yourself with an hard front.
Wrong.
I have cancer rising, and that description is the exact opposite of me.

[woodwater]

Wrong.
I have cancer rising, and that description is the exact opposite of me.

well cancer is the sign of maternity:D

[Kochanski]

agree completely. Anty good links for astronomy and information on new scientific discoveries in all fields?:)

Well, try the JPL site: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/index.cfm

Beyond that, go a bit retro and try BOOKS. There are lots of them.

[psy kick]

well cancer is the sign of maternity:Danother whiff (no offense). As I grew up, I always hated kids, never babysat, never wanted to. I only have one now because I got married and was in love.
See? Astrolgy has to twist and turn to try and find something that fits.
I, in fact, am an anti-hoarder.

[BenK]

you have the signs for alcoholism or drug abuse. But not all people with these aspects were alcoholics. We have free will thank god.
are you one?
i need more non alcoholic birthdates to verify:boxedin:

no, at most I drink a couple times a month and only with friends. As for drugs I've never smoked or taken illegal drugs in my life, only medication for my asthma and allergies.

[Regnad Kcin]

Somebody help me out here.

-- The position of planets so far away in space we can't even see them with the naked eye (except for a couple itty specs here and there)

In concert with:

-- The time and place our mommas happened to squirt us out

Together are supposed to:

-- Effect our behavior not just once, but forever after, not to mention be predictive?

Is that the concept? 'Cause it feels like it's missing something somehow.

[Mojo]

most americans move home about 10 times in their life so i guess i got it wrong. In other words, most Americans move home about 10 times in their life, so you thought that you'd get a hit if you said JPK moves around a lot. :rolleyes:

This is how astrology "works". The astrologer makes statements that they think are likely to fit. If they know their audience well enough and keep the statements sufficiently vague, they'll get things that look like hits. Sometimes they'll come unstuck, as you have here. They don't usually admit it though.

[ChristineR]

That program is worthless, and here's why. My point has nothing at all to do with astrology per se.

The program allows you to test variables against data--various star positions against persons and their habits. The example they give mentions 50 alcoholics. It's not completely clear to me how many variable the program allows you to test, but it appears to be hundreds.

Anytime you get a group of 50 people and check hundreds of random variables you are likely to find some variables that match for most or all of the 50. In fact you will get some surprisingly strong correlations even for groups of thousands.

To put it another way, if I put one thousand birth dates in the program and checked all of the possible star configurations and planet positions and what nots, I would almost always find at least one configuration that applied to almost all of my thousand people. I could then say that this was a strong indicator of alcoholism.

The next step is to take one thousand different alcoholics and see if they also have the star configuration found. This is very unlikely to happen by chance--and I bet it won't happen.

[woodwater]

In other words, most Americans move home about 10 times in their life, so you thought that you'd get a hit if you said JPK moves around a lot. :rolleyes:

This is how astrology "works". The astrologer makes statements that they think are likely to fit. If they know their audience well enough and keep the statements sufficiently vague, they'll get things that look like hits. Sometimes they'll come unstuck, as you have here. They don't usually admit it though.

no it was based in uranus in house of roots. It happens that at same time thois is an american problem:D

[CFLarsen]

Why is it so hard to find a woo that is not an airhead?

[Kelly]

Somebody help me out here.

-- The position of planets so far away in space we can't even see them with the naked eye (except for a couple itty specs here and there)

In concert with:

-- The time and place our mommas happened to squirt us out

Together are supposed to:

-- Effect our behavior not just once, but forever after, not to mention be predictive?

Is that the concept? 'Cause it feels like it's missing something somehow.

This is what I wonder as well. Woowater, do you have a complete answer to this?

[LotusMegami]

Does anyone here have a good recipe for red beans? I tried making them
with tomatoes, cinnamon, and cayenne pepper.

The beans were to hard, the the tomatoes too mushy.

[Mojo]

no it was based in uranus in house of roots. It happens that at same time thois is an american problem:DIf it was just to do with roots in Uranus, why bring up the suggestion that most Americans move home about 10 times as if it was some sort of excuse for getting it wrong? Originally Posted by woodwater :
most americans move home about 10 times in their life so i guess i got it wrong.

[JPK]

no it was based in uranus in house of roots. It happens that at same time thois is an american problem:D
Are you tring to say that most Americans have Uranus in house of roots? (whatever that means? ) It seems that astrology itself is emerging from Uranus.
JPK

[Dunstan]

This "reading" is a model of vagueness:

If you werent born 5 minutes before 6, then you have cancer rising.

Immediately begins by giving himself an out.

a side of you is very attached to mother and family and is a hoarder.

Note the qualifier "a side of you." If "a side of you" is "very attached," this covers both people who are very attached and those who are only somewhat attached (after all, it's just one side of them that's attached).

vulnerable,but protects yourself with an hard front.

Describes about 99% of people.

Mars in gemini makes you polemic, agressive with words rather than physically. You like a good argument, you would make a good lawyer. Being gemini you are intelectual, like to be a go betwen betwen twio opposite points of view, but avoid giving your opinion till the end.

Describes about 99% of people on this board (with the exception of "avoid giving your opinion till the end -- but note that this qualifier allows the reading to be "accurate" for both opinionated people and those who withhold their opinion).

You may have double prsonality.

So even if the reading is "half" accurate, it's accurate, because it describes half of your personality! Of course, you only "may" have double personality.

Moon in taurus makes you very grounded, and your mothers influence is very striong. You are more stable than the typical airy gemini.

Pretty much everyone likes to think they're grounded, but even there you gave yourself an out: if the subject is only somewhat grounded, they're still "more stable than the typical airy gemini."

Mother's influence very strong? Applies to pretty much everyone. Even if the subject's mother died in childbirth, you'd claim it either refers to genetic influence or the influence of an adoptive or step-mother.

uranus and pluto in 4. There may be instability in the home front. You move around and have difficulty finding roots.Maybe you didnt feel at home in place of birth. True so far?:D.

"May be instability" What is the probability of all these "mays"?

Others have already pointed out how easy a guess the bit about moving around is, but even then you managed to miss.

And I like the "true so far?" bit at the end -- allows you to come back with more material: "oh yes, well, Alpha Centauri was in the house of Beetlejuice, so that's why you didn't move around much."