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Freethinker
27th April 2006, 06:34 AM
God apparently didn't have a lightning bolt handy, so he made a truck run through a guard rail and kill 5 people in a van. All students or faculty at a small Christian college. He surely works in mysterious ways http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060427/LOCAL/604270502:rolleyes:
Beady
27th April 2006, 06:40 AM
You sound just as smug about these deaths as a fundie does about the idea of you going to hell. In principle, what is the difference between the two of you? Seriously.
Freethinker
27th April 2006, 07:21 AM
You sound just as smug about these deaths as a fundie does about the idea of you going to hell. In principle, what is the difference between the two of you? Seriously.

I'm not at all smug about the deaths. My point was that their religion and choice of university apparently offered them no protection from a seemingly freak accident. Either god didn't care that they were Christians, or he doesn't exist.
MRC_Hans
27th April 2006, 07:27 AM
Frankly, this is getting a bit old. If there was any difference in how life went for believers, compared to non-believers, there would be no non-believers. Obviously, if God exists, then for whatever reason, She doesn't interfere with fate.

Probably, to God, what happens during our tiny physical lives is of secondary importance.

Hans
Bob Klase
27th April 2006, 08:39 AM
Either god didn't care that they were Christians, or he doesn't exist.

You forgot: God works in mysterious ways and we can't understand why he does things.
Abdul Alhazred
27th April 2006, 09:01 AM
But were they "saved"?
c4ts
27th April 2006, 12:21 PM
Bad things happen, naming the cause after the effect is just arguing ad hoc. At least that's the case when you say "God did it" or another unsupported claim.
bjb
28th April 2006, 02:52 PM
The difference is Freethinker is right, because there is no god to send trucks to kill Christians. The fundementalist is wrong because there is no god to send anybody to hell.
Zbu
28th April 2006, 05:24 PM
I'd be more convinced if the semi had a Green Goblin head or a pair of horns on it. If it was Peterbilt, then it could have some strenous Biblical irony, I guess...
RSLancastr
28th April 2006, 05:43 PM
Either god didn't care that they were Christians, or he doesn't exist.False dichotomy, Freethinker.

Some Christians would say that god decided to "call them (the students) home."

Others would say that god "works in mysterious ways," meaning who the hell are we to judge what he does.

Also, your thread title/premise is a strawman of sorts, since by no means would all Christians believe that god "made the truck run through the guard rail."
Beady
28th April 2006, 07:41 PM
Also, your thread title/premise is a strawman of sorts, since by no means would all Christians believe that god "made the truck run through the guard rail."

To paraphrase Jesus, "Rule 8 happens." Luke 13:4.
Freethinker
29th April 2006, 10:00 AM
False dichotomy, Freethinker.

Some Christians would say that god decided to "call them (the students) home."

Others would say that god "works in mysterious ways," meaning who the hell are we to judge what he does.

Also, your thread title/premise is a strawman of sorts, since by no means would all Christians believe that god "made the truck run through the guard rail."

I agree, though it was really meant to be facetious. I was rather flippant and didn't explain why I posted it or titled it that way. My point, vague and unstated as it might be, was to contrast with what a Christian might have said had the truck just clipped the front of the van and all lived. I'm sure we'd have heard something about god watching over them or directing the truck away from them.

In summary, you can't give god credit for the good things that happen without recognizing that he is just as responsible for the bad things.
bjb
29th April 2006, 10:09 AM
If the truck hits them and they had lived, God gets credit for a miraculous salvation.

But they alll died, so God gets credit for calling them home.

There's a logical fallacy in there somewhere, but I'm not sure what it is. Specious arguement? Whatever fallacy it is, I don't it can be used to define Freethinker's arguement as a false dichotomy. Maybe Freethinker did use a false dichotomy but there needs to be a better arguement against his.
c4ts
1st May 2006, 07:47 AM
If the truck hits them and they had lived, God gets credit for a miraculous salvation.

But they alll died, so God gets credit for calling them home.

There's a logical fallacy in there somewhere, but I'm not sure what it is.

Arguing ad hoc, which I said earlier. You are creating the cause after the event without sufficient evidence, or in this case, with an unfalsifiable statement.