Trudeau's newest book

[Skiltch]

Trudeau is back, with a new book. Just saw it when I was in Borders today.
On the front cover he claims not only to have been 'censored' by the government (hmm, wonder why), but also to be taking on many large entities.
I flipped it open for a lark, and landed on a section proclaiming that vaccines kill. It seems that the mercury gets into the brain and does bad things (perhaps the 99.9% of people that survive vaccines are, er, mercury immune? Have strong minds?)
Just thought y'all should know, if you don't already.
The book title begins "More Natural Cures Revealed."

[RSLancastr]

If you are talking about his "Natural Cures THEY Don't Want You To Know About," it has been out for many months, and has been discussed here at some length. Just do a search on his name.

If it is another book, what is the title?

[Skiltch]

I edited to add the title. It was in the 'new books' section.

[RSLancastr]

Ah.

Great.

More crap.

[capall]

From the book description at Amazon
“Kevin Trudeau blows the lid off a nest of deception and double standards concerning general and individual health in this new book, "Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You To Know About." Kevin has risked government prosecution to bring you the full story of an intricate conspiracy.”

I love the way he sets himself to be the crusader for the little person fighting the big bad corporations while at the same time endangering the health and taking there money of the same people he claims to be a champion for :mad:

[Kelly]

Trudeau is back, with a new book. Just saw it when I was in Borders today.
On the front cover he claims not only to have been 'censored' by the government (hmm, wonder why), but also to be taking on many large entities.
I flipped it open for a lark, and landed on a section proclaiming that vaccines kill. It seems that the mercury gets into the brain and does bad things (perhaps the 99.9% of people that survive vaccines are, er, mercury immune? Have strong minds?)
Just thought y'all should know, if you don't already.
The book title begins "More Natural Cures Revealed."

I saw this new one at B&N the other day. It was displayed very prominently, but yet there was not one book in the entire store by James Randi.

I did see a couple of books by Michael Shermer. I was afraid to go look at the woo section. I'm sure there would have been numerous books by Browne, which would have just ticked me off. :mad:

[thatguywhojuggles]

I also saw this book in the bookstore today. I told the guy working the counter that it was utter crap. He agreed, but said his company has a policy "if it's in print, they sell it."

I wonder if NAMBLA has anything in print that they would be willing to sell?

[FreakBoy]

I saw this new one at B&N the other day. It was displayed very prominently, but yet there was not one book in the entire store by James Randi.

Check the woo section. Randi strategically has some of his books placed there by some stores. I asked about Flim Flam once years ago and was directed to the metaphysical section. Being outraged at the concept that Randi would be in that section I e-mailed and either he, or someone responding on his behalf stated that was the strategy. Get a better chance at maybe opening some eyes once in a while.

Edit: I've often dreamed of one day retiring and hopefully having enough money to open a bookstore without having to have concern for it making money. I could call the woo section "The Woo Section" but then realized I'd have to have a woo section to do that.

[Kelly]

Check the woo section. Randi strategically has some of his books placed there by some stores. I asked about Flim Flam once years ago and was directed to the metaphysical section. Being outraged at the concept that Randi would be in that section I e-mailed and either he, or someone responding on his behalf stated that was the strategy. Get a better chance at maybe opening some eyes once in a while.

Edit: I've often dreamed of one day retiring and hopefully having enough money to open a bookstore without having to have concern for it making money. I could call the woo section "The Woo Section" but then realized I'd have to have a woo section to do that.

Actually, I asked the clerk, and she looked it up in the computer. No dice.

I like that strategy through.

When you get your bookstore, and someone comes up and asks for one of those silly books, then you could whip out a sign that says: "No woo for you."

[Tirdun]

Fair warning to all of you here, my honor and integrety have slowly been crumbling away and I've decided, here and now, that rather than slave away at work being productive I'm going to write woo. It doesn't matter which kind, in fact I'll probably spew out a recycled stack of lunacy on every topic known to man at a pace that would shock romance novelists. There seems to be an endless market of dull-eyed people who have switched off the part of their brain that produces doubt, incredulity, curiousity and wonder. These people are out there, they're dripping cash from every pore and they're shoving the rest of humanity out of the way to get to the bookstores and pharmacies, screaming for service.

Your demands for evidence will be music to my ears, indicating my ascendance to the upper enchelons of woo production. Pleas to humanity, humility and honesty will slide past like water off a duck, landing on the dusty floor alongside all the other vestages of reality that I shall slough off. The almighty buck shall be my secret mistress as I laud my new wedding to the gilded gods of "alternative" and "new age".

I shall erect a facade of caring concern for the wellfare of my fellow man that would bring Nightingale to quiet, sobbing tears. It shall stand tall and wide, sweeping into the clouds, presenting a face of compassion and staunch resistance to the old demons of science and medicine that shall inspire the flocks to fleece themselves willingly on my very doorstep. Behind that front will be a machine of industry, belching black soot as it cranks out dusted off ideas with new names. Phrenology! Physiognomy! Palmistry! Astrology! Graphology! I shall have a crack team of internet researchers churning out new "ologies" from the old, slapping on prefixes from latin, greek or ATLANTEAN origin! No oddity of woo nor pocket of acolyte shall be safe from my clutching talons.

[Orb]

Nominated!

[blutoski]

Edit: I've often dreamed of one day retiring and hopefully having enough money to open a bookstore without having to have concern for it making money. I could call the woo section "The Woo Section" but then realized I'd have to have a woo section to do that.

There's a used bookstore near my home that I visit weekly, and the owner's on-board. A woman came in with her kid saying she was helping him with a school project: they had to do a report about some prehistoric culture. She asked if they had any books on what life was like before the Flood. She couldn't find anything in history or anthropology.

He said, "Ah. You're looking in the wrong place. Try fiction. Over there."

[gfunkusarelius]

is there a name for this woo trick that he uses? it is pretty standard for conspiracy theorists, but basically, he says that he has "knowledge" that all the power players dont want you to know about, and the fact that these power players actually dont want him to share his knowledge plays perfectly into his story. of course, we know this is usually because the "power players" dont want people to fall for the scam, but it is a catch-22 for them. since i see it so often but it is sort of wordy to explain, i was wondering if there was a concise name for it and possibly a really famous example to throw out.

[jon]

is there a name for this woo trick that he uses? it is pretty standard for conspiracy theorists, but basically, he says that he has "knowledge" that all the power players dont want you to know about, and the fact that these power players actually dont want him to share his knowledge plays perfectly into his story. of course, we know this is usually because the "power players" dont want people to fall for the scam, but it is a catch-22 for them. since i see it so often but it is sort of wordy to explain, i was wondering if there was a concise name for it and possibly a really famous example to throw out.

Umberto Eco mocks this type of approach as 'hermetic' thought in Foucault's Pendulum (see esp p208) - he gives a v entertaining description of it, but not sure 'hermetic' is a particularly helpful word...

[Tirdun]

I'd dub it communal persecution complex. There is a shared paranoia of "them" and any action take by "them" must be assumed to be wrong and countered.

ETA: oi, thanks for the nomination Orb. My frustration and ranting wore themselves out and I edited it for humor, but I assure you it started out due to a few too many head-slams at seeing Trudeau's name again.

[gfunkusarelius]

by the way, i checked out his first book at the library (i like to do that, i checked out art bell's book too) and from what i remember, other than continual references back to the conspiracy theories, the majority of his actual advice was along the lines of "eat healthy and exercise." there was very little hard data that i could find. i guess that shouldnt surprise anyone.

oh, and for the record, i had to wait a couple of months to get the book after i requested it :eek:

[Euromutt]

The full title of the book is More Natural "Cures" Revealed: Previously Censored Brand Name Products That Cure Disease (Amazon listing here (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0975599542/sr=1-1/qid=1147285474/ref=sr_1_1/103-4633801-3918237?%5Fencoding=UTF8)).
Note that the quote marks are not editorializing on my part; that's what it actually says on the cover. I smell legal a**-covering, just in case any of the touted products turns out not to actually cure anything in the commonly understood sense of the word.

What I find interesting is that among the 1-star (i.e. lowest rating) reviews on Amazon are a fair number by people who buy into sCAM but appear to recognize Trudeau for what he is.

[Trantor]

Flipping thru the channels a couple of weeks ago, I saw Trudeau on one of the shopping networks, selling his new book. The hostess on the shopping program seemed very impressed with Trudeau, and was recommending the new book to viewers.

I thought that Trudeau was banned from advertising his crap.

[Yahzi]

The hostess on the shopping program seemed very impressed with Trudeau, and was recommending the new book to viewers.
Have you ever seen that hostess or that shopping program before? I was under the impression he hired interviewers and created programs to hawk his books.

I thought that Trudeau was banned from advertising his crap.
He's only banned from advertising actual products; books and literature cannot be construed to be medicine, so he can sell those.

[Trantor]

Yahzi, I don't watch Home shopping Channels, so you may be right about the hostess being employed by Trudeau.

This was a Home Shopping Channel, not one of those paid avertisments on late night television. But, maybe Trudeau bought some air time. He did have a very polished act. I'm sure he got a bunch of suckers to buy his crap.

[ferd burfle]

What I find interesting is that among the 1-star (i.e. lowest rating) reviews on Amazon are a fair number by people who buy into sCAM but appear to recognize Trudeau for what he is.

The Amazon reviews for his first "Cures" book were/are rife with 5-star raves that were transparently spammed onto the site to boost his ratings. Names given by reviewers were just like phony sender names on spam emails and I saw more than one review that was verbatim with another posted under another name. Wonder how long before this starts happening for the new book.

Ferd

[Ducky]

Grr.

Fowlsound angry.

Fowlsound smash.

[drfrank]

Grr.

Fowlsound angry.

Fowlsound smash.
Quick, we need to airdrop Fowlsound over Kevin Trudeau's house asap before he can no longer plead temporary insanity.

[FreakBoy]

There's a used bookstore near my home that I visit weekly, and the owner's on-board. A woman came in with her kid saying she was helping him with a school project: they had to do a report about some prehistoric culture. She asked if they had any books on what life was like before the Flood. She couldn't find anything in history or anthropology.

He said, "Ah. You're looking in the wrong place. Try fiction. Over there."

BWAHAHAHAHA, that's fantastic.

I got excited when I moved to my new home and saw a used bookstore... though we have the opposite problem. There's no science section. I guess we can't have people getting all uppity with all that learnin'.

Hooray for the bible-belt.

[Nex]

Quick, we need to airdrop Fowlsound over Kevin Trudeau's house asap before he can no longer plead temporary insanity. I'm on it. Turnip to the rescue!




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OK, who took the black helicopter out last time? I need the keys, please.

[Nex]

BWAHAHAHAHA, that's fantastic.

I got excited when I moved to my new home and saw a used bookstore... though we have the opposite problem. There's no science section. I guess we can't have people getting all uppity with all that learnin'.

Hooray for the bible-belt. If it's any consolation, here in Asheville a lot of woo gets shelved with the science. But at least we do have science sections. :D

[gfunkusarelius]

Yahzi, I don't watch Home shopping Channels, so you may be right about the hostess being employed by Trudeau.

This was a Home Shopping Channel, not one of those paid avertisments on late night television. But, maybe Trudeau bought some air time. He did have a very polished act. I'm sure he got a bunch of suckers to buy his crap.

well if he was on one of the homeshopping channels, it is no surprise the host was impressed and exicted, that is what they are paid for, driving sales. it would be totally ridiculous to bring someone on to promote a product and question its integrity, haha. we have about 5 home shopping channels and if you havent noticed, they are FULL of bogus products. look at all the anti-ageing, wrinkle removers, etc. they are a mountain of pseudoscientific jargoning. they charge you 50 dollars for three ounces of a cream that they added finely ground barnacles from a saltwater inland lake in japan or something claiming its the secret of the orient.

[ferd burfle]

If it's any consolation, here in Asheville a lot of woo gets shelved with the science. But at least we do have science sections. :D

B&N shelves books by David Hatcher Childress in the science section and when I see them I reshelve them in the metaphysics section, since they don't have a 'self-published-nearly-unreadable-due-to-grammatical-errors-and-nutty-as-a-fruitcake' section.

e.g., http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0932813100/sr=8-1/qid=1147355860/ref=sr_1_1/103-6617369-5950248?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Ferd

[Robaato]

When I worked at a fairly large, mostly green decor (at that time) bookstore, I worked in the section that included woo, much to my annoyance. That was alleviated somewhat by the realization that the rest of the staff in "Section 2" was on my side. We referred to that area of the store as "newage," to rhyme with sewage.

Interestingly, our section also encompassed religion...and fiction.

I did a week covering for our magazine manager, so I had to be taught the ins and outs of shelving magazines. He had arranged the shelves so that the newage magazines were on the top row of the bottom section, thus ensuring that no-one ever bought them.

A month later, after one of the occasional store re-arrangements, a new woman was in charge of the magazines. She sent out a memo stating that the newage stuff was now going to be in the same section as the other (sic) science magazines. All of the other managers were aghast/annoyed/upset. I don't recall her lasting long in that position.

I also tried to staff rec "Flim-Flam" as often as I could.

[Jimbo07]

Just saw it when I was in Borders today.


So, not just KT, but bookstores and shopping channels are taking a cut?

This stuff isn't going away any time soon...

[TobiasTheViking]

Grr.

Fowlsound angry.

Fowlsound smash.
aww. that's so CUTE

[BryanLower]

I own a used bookstore, and we have a New Age section. I would love to call it the "woo" section, but we're a new business and we can't afford to offend any customers. We need their money. New Age has grown fairly rapidly, which is surprising considering the part of town we're in. I stocked Randi's The Mask of Nostradamus in the New Age section (I also sometimes pronounce it "newage"). I have a copy of Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural, but that's on a display shelf. As soon as I get a copy of Flim Flam, I'll stock it in newage.

We are in the general area of Rhema, a church/school founded by Kenneth Hagin. Our religion section is our largest non-fiction section, and includes many of Hagin's books. It is very tempting to put Hagin's books together with the Occult books, since they are so similar, right down to the magic incantations and speaking in tongues. These books... they're scary... epitomize the insular, paranoid, woo mentality that is often seen in today's Religious Right. Yet, we get a lot of Rhema students in the store, and their money is green, so I'll stock the books.

On the other side of town we have Oral Roberts. That's right, the Lord hasn't called him home yet. Occasionally I drive by the spot where he supposedly saw the 900 ft Jesus. I reflect on how uncomfortable it can be to live in a place like this. Oral to the west of me, Hagin to the east (here I am, stuck in the middle with you).

[jj]

I reflect on how uncomfortable it can be to live in a place like this. Oral to the west of me, Hagin to the east (here I am, stuck in the middle with you).


Heh. Wheeling along, eh? I thought it was clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right :)

As to Trudeau's book, well, I didn't see it at the Borders, but we've been a bit less likely to visit since they refused to shelf the issue with the cartoons in it. The local staff in our store was actually sorta embarrased, to give them some credit.

While they do have a big sewag, err newage section, they also are known to put "Flim Flam", "Faith Healers" and some of the Shermer books in the section. Occasionally somebody gets really upset, I'm told.

[fabian_lidman]

Major bookstores here all have science sections, except all the books in those sections are about repairing cars, reading palms or "quantum mind".
I suppose science geeks like us buy our books online anyway, so there's really no consumer pressure for them to bring real science into the bookstores.

[Loren]

I saw Trudeau's new book in the bookstore for the first time today, and in flipping through it, I was most amused by the "Disclaimer" at the start of the book. A disclaimer that basically said 'This is a work of fiction. There's some truth sprinkled throughout. Don't take it seriously. Trudeau is a two-time felon,' etc.

I'd like to make use of the full disclaimer, but Amazon.com doesn't allow you to search inside either of Trudeau's books. Might anyone here have access to a book, and who could share that disclaimer?

Thanks,
Loren

[DanKirby]

I'm listening to this guy on a local radio station right now. He was just talking about how he's giving the actually names of products in the new book, and he wants the FTC and FDA to go after him, because that means more publicity and more book sales. What a joker.