Multiple Challenges

[WanderinWTF]

Everywhere I look I see people going for 1million dollars claiming they know 1 paranormal thing. So i need to ask this ? since i can perform multiple paranormal things do i qualify for more than 1 million dollars. I see 1million for 1 thing performed how about 2 would that get me 3million dollars. Or how about 3things performed would that get me 5million dollars.

[joller]

Everywhere I look I see people going for 1million dollars claiming they know 1 paranormal thing. So i need to ask this ? since i can perform multiple paranormal things do i qualify for more than 1 million dollars. I see 1million for 1 thing performed how about 2 would that get me 3million dollars. Or how about 3things performed would that get me 5million dollars.

Read the challenge FAQ.
The answer is no.
Decide on one thing you think you can do, and apply for the challenge.

[TheBoyPaj]

The JREF only have one million dollars to give you. But there's much more waiting for anyone who can prove the paranormal exists.

Unfortunately, even more awaits the huckster who can con people into thinking that the paranormal exists.

[WanderinWTF]

How far has anyone made it in the challenge to date?

[TheBoyPaj]

No one has ever passed the preliminary test.

In fact, a startling proportion of applicants cannot even manage to describe clearly what it is they intend to do, thus rendering their claim untestable.

I am sure you won't be one of them.

[WanderinWTF]

The JREF only have one million dollars to give you. But there's much more waiting for anyone who can prove the paranormal exists.

Unfortunately, even more awaits the huckster who can con people into thinking that the paranormal exists.


Or make everyone realize that they have all been conned into thinkin that paranormal does not exist by someone right.

[The_Fire]

Or make everyone realize that they have all been conned into thinkin that paranormal does not exist by someone right.

Mind expanding on this statement?

[TheBoyPaj]

That would be some people's opinion, certainly.

Would you like to tell us what you are thinking of demonstrating as part of your challenge?

[WanderinWTF]

People have said I sound like a troll or I ramble, I kinda want to wait it out for a min so I can be able to make it clear.

[TheBoyPaj]

People have said I sound like a troll or I ramble, I kinda want to wait it out for a min so I can be able to make it clear.

That's OK. There's no rush, or even an obligation to talk about it here. Just apply and good luck!

[WanderinWTF]

I have posts in other parts of the forum go read em if you like. I'll answer any ?s the best I can if you like.

[TheBoyPaj]

I have read some of your other posts, and I am no wiser. I think it's best to start again.

If you want to apply for the JREF challenge, you will have to describe clearly and precisely that which you will demonstrate. The challenge coordinator doesn't want to prise the information out of you, piece by piece. You have to offer as much information as you can. You would be best served by putting some thought into it before you apply.

So, can you describe your ability, and how would we test it?

[WanderinWTF]

Yes I know that's why I have waited so long I havn't just rushed into anything when it comes to the app. I havn't put every little piece either when it was needed I noticed that reading some of the posts. That is when i relized that is what a whole lot of people have made the mistake of doing in the past by thinkin they needed to defend themselves rather than focusing on what they need to do.

[nathan]

You have to offer as much information as you can.

Ow, that can be understood in multiple ways :) The coordinator does *not* want reams of 'information' explaining how the applicant thinks whatever they do works. What the coordinator wants is a clear, concise and simple description of the demonstration the applicant claims to do.

I find the best way to be clear is to,
* write whole sentances
* avoid compound sentances, pathenthetical clauses and the like
* write as if for someone whos first language is not English.

[TheBoyPaj]

You're right. Maybe my choice of words was unwise.

What I meant was that the coordinator will expect the applicant to volunteer information about what they can do and how it can be tested. It's not just a case of "what do you want to ask me, Mr Randi?"

[Mendeli]

Would you like to tell us what you are thinking of demonstrating as part of your challenge?


People have said I sound like a troll or I ramble.

Interesting. Are you sure that's paranormal though? Some people can make rambling or troll-like noises when they have some specific condition like flu, "non sober state", hangover, tennis game or maybe after they have smoked too many cigarettes.

That said, if you still think your troll-like rambling noices are paranormal, you should concentrate on answering the following questions:

How do you plan to demonstrate this claim?

With what accuracy?

Under which conditions?

Do you have a microphone?

[TheBoyPaj]

Prolly not helping. ;)

[rjh01]

The FAQ referred to is here (http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html). Make sure you have read and fully understood it before applying. If you do not understand anything quote it here and then ask what you do not understand. Many applicants do not appear to have done that and so their applications do not progress very far.

Please remember we are not representatives of JREF. We do not have any official standing.

You can also read this (http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43), which is a history of previous applications and correspondence.

[WanderinWTF]

Although others may become involved in the examination of claims and may add their reward money to the total in certain circumstances, James Randi (via the JREF) will carry out the implementation and management of the challenge.


who is others that is spoken here, I dont understand who that is.


Also when you refer to we are not represenatives of jref, who is we.

[TheBoyPaj]

The forum members are not representatives of the JREF. We're just a bunch of hangers-on. Some forum members are very expereinced in their field, and bring a lot of knowledge to the site.

People who may be involved in the tests would be third parties such as local skeptic groups or people with specialist scientific or technical knowledge. Their input is needed because if, say, an applicant is based in Japan, the JREF don't want to have to fly someone out to supervise a test.

[Darat]

Although others may become involved in the examination of claims and may add their reward money to the total in certain circumstances, James Randi (via the JREF) will carry out the implementation and management of the challenge.


who is others that is spoken here, I dont understand who that is.


Also when you refer to we are not represenatives of jref, who is we.

emph - this section is about the Million Dollar Challenge as administered by the JREF. IF you are considering applying for the Challenge then please feel free to raise questions that are directly about that or an aspect of the Challenge.

Members of the forum do not represent the JREF, if you have questions that you wish to be addressed by the JREF regarding your application you should send them to Randi (randi@randi.org) or Jeff Wagg (jeff@randi.org).

[WanderinWTF]

The forum members are not representatives of the JREF. We're just a bunch of hangers-on. Some forum members are very expereinced in their field, and bring a lot of knowledge to the site.

People who may be involved in the tests would be third parties such as local skeptic groups or people with specialist scientific or technical knowledge. Their input is needed because if, say, an applicant is based in Japan, the JREF don't want to have to fly someone out to supervise a test.

So then the writings and everything recorded they will have access to this also.

[Darat]

So then the writings and everything recorded they will have access to this also.

Can you try and rephrase that as I can't understand what you mean?

[WanderinWTF]

emph - this section is about the Million Dollar Challenge as administered by the JREF. IF you are considering applying for the Challenge then please feel free to raise questions that are directly about that or an aspect of the Challenge.

Members of the forum do not represent the JREF, if you have questions that you wish to be addressed by the JREF regarding your application you should send them to Randi (randi@randi.org) or Jeff Wagg (jeff@randi.org).



Although others may become involved in the examination of claims and may add their reward money to the total in certain circumstances, James Randi (via the JREF) will carry out the implementation and management of the challenge.

Who is others please specify.


Applicant agrees that all data (photographic, recorded, written, etc.) gathered as a result of the testing may be used freely by the JREF.


What does this mean please specify?

[TheBoyPaj]

Although others may become involved in the examination of claims and may add their reward money to the total in certain circumstances, James Randi (via the JREF) will carry out the implementation and management of the challenge.

Who is others please specify.

It is not possible to specify. I have told you the type of person that this might be.

Applicant agrees that all data (photographic, recorded, written, etc.) gathered as a result of the testing may be used freely by the JREF.

What does this mean please specify?

Tests will generate data. Those might be videos of your test, or photographs, or recordings. Some tests will generate performance data. The JREF can use that data as they wish, and publish it freely.

Some take this to mean that you would not be free to publish your account of the test, and that the JREF have the right to cover up tests that don't go their way, but the rule does not say this.

Basically, this rule is just so that a failed applicant cannot try to stop the JREF from mentioning that fact.

[Mendeli]

Although others may become involved in the examination of claims and may add their reward money to the total in certain circumstances, James Randi (via the JREF) will carry out the implementation and management of the challenge.

Who is others please specify.


Other organizations may help with the preliminary testing. They also sometimes offer their own prize money (usually something like $10 000) if the test should prove positive.

Examples of such organizations would be:
CSICOP: http://www.csicop.org/
CFI-West: http://www.cfiwest.org/
IIG west http://www.iigwest.com/

Also for your convenience, I'll link directly to the IIG west challenge site here: http://www.iigwest.com/challenge.html

Finally, I'll link to a report of a test actually made by IIG west, reported on the CSICOP site that was an actual preliminary test for the JREF challenge.
http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/nguyen.html


Applicant agrees that all data (photographic, recorded, written, etc.) gathered as a result of the testing may be used freely by the JREF.

What does this mean please specify?

For example, after testing you may or may not find your picture posted on the internet, and your challenge correspondence fully or partially quoted on the log of applicants section of the forum. The point is JREF is free to publish any material as it wishes and you can't stop them even if it would seem humiliating.

Others may correct me if I'm wrong.

[WanderinWTF]

Now would I be entitled to all information recordings writings etc. gathered by and done during the test before during and afterwards by the jref?

[Mendeli]

I'm sure they would let you have your copies, yes.

[Mendeli]

Now I have tried my very best to answer your questions. So would you, in turn, please answer these few questions clearly:

1) What is the paranormal ability that you claim to demonstrate?

2) How do you plan to demonstrate this claim?

3) With what accuracy?

4) Under which conditions?

[TheBoyPaj]

Now would I be entitled to all information recordings writings etc. gathered by and done during the test before during and afterwards by the jref?

The rules do not specify this. You should write to the challenge organiser.

[WanderinWTF]

Now I have tried my very best to answer your questions. So would you, in turn, please answer these few questions clearly:

1) What is the paranormal ability that you claim to demonstrate?

2) How do you plan to demonstrate this claim?

3) With what accuracy?

4) Under which conditions?


1) I have the gift to bring in white light in the top of my head. With this ability I also bring in hot energy also.

2) In a jacuzzi.

3) Depending on what im dealing with.

4) I have not came to a decision as of right now.

[WanderinWTF]

I'm sure they would let you have your copies, yes.



I would want what they write down and any information they write before the test during and after. From all people involved.

[Darat]

I would want what they write down and any information they write before the test during and after. From all people involved.

Again please contact Randi or Jeff if you wish to have this confirmed. No one here can tell you if this is a request that the JREF will entertain or not.

[Darat]

1) I have the gift to bring in white light in the top of my head. With this ability I also bring in hot energy also.

2) In a jacuzzi.

3) Depending on what im dealing with.

4) I have not came to a decision as of right now.

Then you are not ready to apply to the challenge.

Also I would point you to the fact that the JREF if past experience is a guide will more then likely require three affidavits from "professionals" (affirming to having witnessed your power) before entertaining your application. Therefore it is probably worthwhile if you do indeed intend to apply to be getting hold of these now.

[Mendeli]

I would want what they write down and any information they write before the test during and after. From all people involved.


What would they be writing down anyways? As it seems this is not one of those word play telepathy claims, I would guess not much at all.

They would pretty much just observe there being light or there not be light on the top of your head. I'm not sure how you would measure the hot energy so maybe you should just ignore that, the light alone should be worth you getting the $Million price.

[TheBoyPaj]

1) I have the gift to bring in white light in the top of my head. With this ability I also bring in hot energy also.

2) In a jacuzzi.

3) Depending on what im dealing with.

4) I have not came to a decision as of right now.

Hmm. You probably realise that there are elements of your claim that some will find amusing. You may get some ribbing from the forum members, but remember that no one here represents the JREF and you should not let jokes deter you from your application.

[Mendeli]

1) I have the gift to bring in white light in the top of my head. With this ability I also bring in hot energy also.


Always one light? Always white?
What kind of light (bright or vague? what size?)
How long will it take for you to make the light appear?
Where exactly will it appear to come out of?
How long will it stay?
Where will it go?
How will it behave? Will it pulsate or stay stable?
What do you propose will constitute a successful demonstration?

[WanderinWTF]

Then you are not ready to apply to the challenge.

Also I would point you to the fact that the JREF if past experience is a guide will more then likely require three affidavits from "professionals" (affirming to having witnessed your power) before entertaining your application. Therefore it is probably worthwhile if you do indeed intend to apply to be getting hold of these now.


This should be takin into consideration that what I can do can not be seen by the normal eye. So there really are no witnesses as to seeing my gifts.

[Mendeli]

Jacuzzi Recipe #116573
I would classify this as a romance drink. A nice bubbly drink best enjoyed in a jacuzzi with your one and only or even your one for the moment.
1 ounce gin
2/3 ounce peach schnapps
1 ounce fresh squeezed orange juice
champagne
1 servings

[WanderinWTF]

Only I can see the white light no one else. White is not the only light I see or use it is the only light I use when I heal people. Not sure if I mentioned this before im Silver and from my hands drips Mercury.

[WanderinWTF]

Always one light? Always white?
What kind of light (bright or vague? what size?)
How long will it take for you to make the light appear?
Where exactly will it appear to come out of?
How long will it stay?
Where will it go?
How will it behave? Will it pulsate or stay stable?
What do you propose will constitute a successful demonstration?


Maybe you should go check up on the virgo cluster. M87

[Mendeli]

http://www.seds.org/messier/JpgSm/m87.jpg

This one? Yes, it's quite spectacular. Now how is that related to anything?


Not sure if I mentioned this before im Silver and from my hands drips Mercury.

Can anyone else than you see the mercury dripping out of you? If so, I recommend you to go to a medical professional for further study. If nothing else, they could well write one of the affidavits you might need.

[Mendeli]

I have the gift to bring in white light in the top of my head. ... In a jacuzzi.


White is not the only light I see or use it is the only light I use when I heal people.

So to conclude, you heal people... in a jacuzzi?

[WanderinWTF]

http://www.seds.org/messier/JpgSm/m87.jpg

This one? Yes, it's quite spectacular. Now how is that related to anything?




Can anyone else than you see the mercury dripping out of you? If so, I recommend you to go to a medical professional for further study. If nothing else, they could well write one of the affidavits you might need.


I never said out of me, I said off of my hands.

[WanderinWTF]

http://www.seds.org/messier/JpgSm/m87.jpg

This one? Yes, it's quite spectacular. Now how is that related to anything?




Can anyone else than you see the mercury dripping out of you? If so, I recommend you to go to a medical professional for further study. If nothing else, they could well write one of the affidavits you might need.


You asked how big is this light what does it look like.

[Darat]

This should be takin into consideration that what I can do can not be seen by the normal eye. So there really are no witnesses as to seeing my gifts.

Then again you are not ready to apply since you have no way of independently verifying your belief.

[WanderinWTF]

So to conclude, you heal people... in a jacuzzi?


Or better them in some sort of a way.

[Mendeli]

I never said out of me, I said off of my hands.

You mean you have some sort of container in your hands and you're pouring mercury off of that?

You should never handle mercury with your bare hands, any skin contact with mercury can be a great health risk.

http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m1599.htm
DANGER! CORROSIVE. CAUSES BURNS TO SKIN, EYES, AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. MAY BE FATAL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. HARMFUL IF ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. AFFECTS THE KIDNEYS AND CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. MAY CAUSE ALLERGIC SKIN REACTION.

Again, if you have poured Mercury off of your bare hands, I would suggest seeking medical attention.

[politas]

This should be takin into consideration that what I can do can not be seen by the normal eye. So there really are no witnesses as to seeing my gifts.

Let me guess, no one can feel the "hot energy", either?

Here's a small injection of reality, Emph: Light that no one can see is exactly the same as no light.

Or better them in some sort of a way.

So you're claiming that when sitting in a jacuzzi, you can bring in no light to the top of your head and make people (who presumably are also in the jacuzzi) feel better in some way.

Do they generally exhibit signs of being warmer, and more relaxed? Are their muscular aches and pains sometimes eased? Wow! I've never heard of anything like that happening to people sitting in jacuzzis!

[Mendeli]

Let me guess, no one can feel the "hot energy", either?



Not to mention him being Silver. I'd think if one "is Silver"... that can be quite easily verified. Maybe Silver is his name?

im Silver and from my hands drips Mercury.

[WanderinWTF]

Let me guess, no one can feel the "hot energy", either?

Here's a small injection of reality, Emph: Light that no one can see is exactly the same as no light.



So you're claiming that when sitting in a jacuzzi, you can bring in no light to the top of your head and make people (who presumably are also in the jacuzzi) feel better in some way.

Do they generally exhibit signs of being warmer, and more relaxed? Are their muscular aches and pains sometimes eased? Wow! I've never heard of anything like that happening to people sitting in jacuzzis!


The hot energy is felt. People can not always take this hot energy therefore it is needed to be done in the water. Ya well if everyone could the light than everyone would be able to heal themselves now wouldn't they.

[Mendeli]

In fact, a startling proportion of applicants cannot even manage to describe clearly what it is they intend to do, thus rendering their claim untestable.


quoted for truth.

Now, emph. What is it that you intend to do?


a well if everyone could the light than everyone would be able to heal themselves now wouldn't they.

No, I don't see the logic in that. I can the light all the time (I even have great knowledge of the Canning lighthouse (http://fieldwoodhs.ednet.ns.ca/cfhslighthouse.html)) and I'm not getting any healthier...

[TheBoyPaj]

So, since no one can verify the light thing, that's not a good thing to test.

Now, can this heat be measured in any other way? Could one use a thermometer? How rapidly can you switch it on or off?

And you're ABSOLUTELY sure it's coming from your head and not from the jacuzzi?

[Darat]

Unfortunately "emph" was a previously banned Member - "WanderinWTF", I'm afraid someone was trying to yank our chains.

[Mendeli]

I return to my original conclusion that there be jacuzzi drink recipe.

I'll now add the instructions for preparing too!

ingredients Here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1638731&postcount=39)
1. Add the first 3 ingredients to a cocktail shaker filled with ice.
2. Shake vigorously; strain into a champagne flute.
3. Stir gently; top up with champagne; stir.
4. Enjoy.

[TheBoyPaj]

I would like to own up to a lie now.
When I said:

...a startling proportion of applicants cannot even manage to describe clearly what it is they intend to do, thus rendering their claim untestable.

I am sure you won't be one of them.

I wasn't sure at all. In fact, the records seem to indicate that most of the people who have applied were unable to hold their claim together for long enough to actually be tested. So the odds of an individual applicant being clear and specific enough to be tested must be fairly low.

Of course, there was always the possibility that he was a troll. We seem to get more than our fair share of those. At least we acted appropriately.

[webfusion]

Be aware that the name Jacuzzi® is not a generic term, and it is against the law to use it here (or anywhere for that matter) without the proper designation as a registered trademark. (®)

http://www.jacuzzi.com/about/trademark.php

This thread has been brought to the attention of the Jacuzzi® company legal team and I urge all posters here to be aware of RULE 3 and 4 of your member agreement that prohibits "advertisments" and improper use of copyrights.

Carry on...

[NobbyNobbs]

Of course you can win 3 or 5 million. Here's how:

Start by winning the $1 million prize.
Invest some as a safety net.
Use the rest to go into business. Use your paranormal powers to gain an advantage over the competition. Alternatively, write a best-seller, teaching people how to use paranormal powers. Use your first million to self-publish it, flooding the market.

[Mendeli]

Be aware that the name Jacuzzi® is not a generic term, and it is against the law to use it here (or anywhere for that matter) without the proper designation as a registered trademark. (®)

http://www.jacuzzi.com/about/trademark.php

This thread has been brought to the attention of the Jacuzzi® company legal team and I urge all posters here to be aware of RULE 3 and 4 of your member agreement that prohibits "advertisments" and improper use of copyrights.

Carry on...

Really? Well, I was honestly totally unaware of that. The company in question seems to have no local presense in Finland and I've only heard the name used in some (US)english tv series, and since people don't add ®s to their speech, I was also totally unaware of the methods I'm supposed to use the name.

Additionally, it seems I can't edit my above posts anymore for some reason, so I'll just add the 3 missing ® marks and one quoted one that I would have edited to the end of their product name below:
®
®
®
®
I'll just copy and paste them to the right place if I find myself able to edit posts again in some point of time.

[rjh01]

I did not know what the word meant so looked it up in the dictionary and found that it was a trademark. So here is a mark for the post I never made ® .

[TheBoyPaj]

I, on the other hand, DID know that it was a trademark. As a result, I didn't mention it and make the schoolboy error that you chaps did.

So here is a tiny picture of me looking smug:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/13124469a49321c81.jpg

[Gr8wight]

And I, having used the word jacuzzi many times without thinking about it, have now thought about it, and decided that I will continue to use the word jacuzzi whenever I want without adding the little 'r' in a circle. The jacuzzi people can come and sue me all they want.
jacuzzi
jacuzzi
jacuzzi
neener neener neener!

[JohnF_73]

So to recap... The potential claimant claims
1) He is silver
2) His hands drip mercury
3) He can make a light appear out of his hands, but only he can see it. And it only happens when he's in a Jacuzzi®
4) This light (which only he can see) has healing properties, and gives off an amount of heat which would be uncomfortable for a dry human being.

Have I missed anything?
Sounds like he has 2 possible claims there, which would be easy to test.
(items 2 and 4).

No doubt he will overturn our world views any day now.....

[GreyPilgrim]

Only I can see the white light no one else. White is not the only light I see or use it is the only light I use when I heal people. Not sure if I mentioned this before im Silver and from my hands drips Mercury.

People have said I sound like a troll or I ramble, I kinda want to wait it out for a min so I can be able to make it clear.

(*GreyPilgrim picks up his sandwiches and moves back to Kerravons table with a bored look on his face*)

[GreyPilgrim]

I kinda want to wait it out for a min so I can be able to make it clear.

This has been bending my head for the past couple of minutes. Why did you post a message telling us that you weren't ready to post information? Why not just wait until you were ready and THEN post? Do you ever call your friends on the phone, tell them you want to speak to them but you're not quite ready, then leave them hanging there in silence until you feel you can articulate your message?

[rjh01]

So to recap... The potential claimant claims
1) He is silver
2) His hands drip mercury
3) He can make a light appear out of his hands, but only he can see it. And it only happens when he's in a Jacuzzi®
4) This light (which only he can see) has healing properties, and gives off an amount of heat which would be uncomfortable for a dry human being.

Have I missed anything?
Sounds like he has 2 possible claims there, which would be easy to test.
(items 2 and 4).

No doubt he will overturn our world views any day now.....
Yes. There is no potential claimant.

[rjh01]

Be aware that the name Jacuzzi® is not a generic term, and it is against the law to use it here (or anywhere for that matter) without the proper designation as a registered trademark. (®)

http://www.jacuzzi.com/about/trademark.php

This thread has been brought to the attention of the Jacuzzi® company legal team and I urge all posters here to be aware of RULE 3 and 4 of your member agreement that prohibits "advertisments" and improper use of copyrights.

Carry on...

Just looked up the rules
3. You will not post any commercial advertisements.
4. You will not post "copyright-protected1" material in its entirety, including "hotlinking2" to images or other media.
They do not say that we must put ® after a trademark. So someone may get sued. We just cannot be banned for it... yet.

[petre]

And I, having used the word jacuzzi many times without thinking about it, have now thought about it, and decided that I will continue to use the word jacuzzi whenever I want without adding the little 'r' in a circle. The jacuzzi people can come and sue me all they want.
jacuzzi
jacuzzi
jacuzzi
neener neener neener!

I'm warning you! If you say jacuzzi once more...

Right! Who threw that?

[mrfreeze]

I'm warning you! If you say jacuzzi once more...

Right! Who threw that?

There wouldn't happen to be any women here would there?

[NobbyNobbs]

I think "Jacuzzi" is a lot like Band-aid or Kleenex. Technically, it's copyrighted, but it's become such common usage that nobody cares anymore. Some think that "iPod" will suffer the same fate.

To see how far such a thing goes, did you know that "trampoline" was once a company name, trademarked?

[The_Fire]

There wouldn't happen to be any women here would there?

*cough*

[Rasmus]

I think "Jacuzzi" is a lot like Band-aid or Kleenex. Technically, it's copyrighted, but it's become such common usage that nobody cares anymore. Some think that "iPod" will suffer the same fate.

To see how far such a thing goes, did you know that "trampoline" was once a company name, trademarked?

The word jacuzzi is so common that I learned it; I was suprised to see that they are actually called "whirplools". The German word is "whirlpool", and I thought that the english "whirlpool" would only refer to a vortex in water.

I don't recall where I picked that up, though.

[MandosV]

troll

I have a power no one can see or test. Eventually, after many pages and posts I will blame the jref for not being open to my claims.

BAH

[William Smith]

troll

I have a power no one can see or test. Eventually, after many pages and posts I will blame the jref for not being open to my claims.

BAH

Yup, that pretty much describes the blueprint.

[ChristineR]

Maybe our troll friend was claiming that hesheit could heat up water only in an authentic Jaccuzzi™ brand whirlpool spa. It really doesn't seem much stranger than wearing a red robe or smearing pig's blood on a golden amulet.

[Admiral]

Deleted- posted by accident.

[Gr8wight]

I think "Jacuzzi" is a lot like Band-aid or Kleenex. Technically, it's copyrighted, but it's become such common usage that nobody cares anymore. Some think that "iPod" will suffer the same fate.

To see how far such a thing goes, did you know that "trampoline" was once a company name, trademarked?

Suffer the same fate? An odd choice of words. The marketing people at Apple would be ecstatic if people started calling all mp3 players "iPods." "Jello," "Kleenex," and "Band-Aid" are among the most successful products of all time.

[nathan]

The word jacuzzi is so common that I learned it; I was suprised to see that they are actually called "whirplools". The German word is "whirlpool", and I thought that the english "whirlpool" would only refer to a vortex in water.

yup, If someone said they had a whirlpool, I'd think they must have a river with an interesting current. Not some bubbly spa thing.

[chillzero]

Maybe our troll friend was claiming that hesheit could heat up water only in an authentic Jaccuzzi™ brand whirlpool spa. It really doesn't seem much stranger than wearing a red robe or smearing pig's blood on a golden amulet.

Referring back to the joke I posted, I still believe he just wanted to get a bunch of lovely young ladies together with him in a jacuzzi.

[Flange Desire]

I think "Jacuzzi" is a lot like Band-aid or Kleenex. Technically, it's copyrighted, but it's become such common usage that nobody cares anymore. Some think that "iPod" will suffer the same fate.

To see how far such a thing goes, did you know that "trampoline" was once a company name, trademarked?

The Melbourne suburb of Sunshine was named after the
Sunsine Harvester Company - an agricultural machinery company.

Pity they are not still in business these days -
what fun we could have with trademarks in postal addresses.