I Won The Challenge And Randi Refused To Pay

[Elijah777]

NOTE THE TIME OF MY LAST POST - That was NOT intentional...

Go Figure.... check my website constellation7.org

Here are a few of my favourite Prophecies :- (Fulfilled of course)

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Micah 5
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Isaiah 7 : 14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Hosea 11 : 1
When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

Zechariah 9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Psalm 22 : 16
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Isaiah 53 : 5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Psalm 69:21
They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Zechariah 11
12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Psalm 34:20
He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Psalm 41
9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

Psalm 22
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.

Psalm 22
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Isaiah 53
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Psalm 16
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Psalm 68
18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

The above Prophecies Written between (very approx) 1000 BC and 500 BC
are just a small sampling of The Grand Plan of The Holy Scriptures...

The Coming, Birth, Style, Location, Life, Betrayal, Crucifixion, Burial and Glorious Resurrection and Ascension of The Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST.

All other Prophecies are inferior to those above.

He will Come Again....

GET READY...

You WILL Meet Him - either this life or the next...

What will you say when you are questioned about this little antichrist episode
in some of the postings herein?

Careful now.....

I AM TELLING YOU THE GOSPEL TRUTH...

The Lamb that was Slain IS The Great Judge in Heaven...

Ask yourselves - WHAT DO I DESERVE?

Eternal Life or Eternal Damnation...

Your True Answer to this question WILL Decide your fate....

The Holy Spirit KNOWS Everything about each and every one of us..

Do you deserve PARADISE ???

Be honest - THIS IS NO JOKE....SERIOUSLY....

Thank you...

[William Smith]

yak³


This has nothing to do with the Challenge.

[Crossbow]

Here is one of my Biblical Interpretations so I can win the JREF Prize Money.

When 'Lot' escaped Sodom, his wife died but his daughters lived.

Later, the women were so forlorn about the lack of men to date (because they were all killed) that they got their daddy 'Lot' drunk and then had sex with him.

This story is an obvious prediction of the Jerry Springer Show, therefore I will thank the JREF staff to please deposit the money into this garbage bag I brought along.

;)

[prewitt81]

How do you know?

ETA: This is in reply to Elijah777's latest post.

[The_Fire]

NOTE THE TIME OF MY LAST POST - That was NOT intentional...

In other words: You got caught with your pants down and now you are trying to back pedal.


Go Figure.... check my website constellation7.org

No. I love my eyes to much. But giving the "mellowing" of your posting style, I would say that someone got lucky last night.



Here are a few of my favourite Prophecies :- (Fulfilled of course)

That does not help your claim. It's just :words: and is called past diction.
Or reengineering things to suit your purposes. Doesn't make it true thouh.


Blablablabla

Not paranormal. Still the wrong pantheon.



The above Prophecies Written between (very approx) 1000 BC and 500 BC
are just a small sampling of The Grand Plan of The Holy Scriptures...

The Coming, Birth, Style, Location, Life, Betrayal, Crucifixion, Burial and Glorious Resurrection and Ascension of The Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST.

Prove that any of the mentioned events took place.


All other Prophecies are inferior to those above.

Those are not prophecies.



He will Come Again....

GET READY...


Ehhh...Still don't do blowjobs on foreigners of neither deity nor human origins.


You WILL Meet Him - either this life or the next...

Evidence? Also wrong pantheon and wrong religion. Besides: YOU could be wrong. After all, the bible DOES warn from false prophets, doesn't it?


What will you say when you are questioned about this little antichrist episode
in some of the postings herein?

Have a laugh and a half about those "Warped out X-tians".



Careful now.....

I AM TELLING YOU THE GOSPEL TRUTH...


Evidence?


The Lamb that was Slain IS The Great Judge in Heaven...

Again with the sheep reference. Are you sure your not the deviant here?



Ask yourselves - WHAT DO I DESERVE?

A good footrub. Well right now anyway. Later tonight....No, that would scare some of the kiddies.




Eternal Life or Eternal Damnation...


My religion doesn't do the "damnation" thing. That's only for x-tians. Rabid ones like you that is.



Your True Answer to this question WILL Decide your fate....


I never lie about these things. And forcing someone to do a BJ is rape so don't think that "NO" doesn't mean "NO". Maybee you didn't get lucky last night after all......And I had such hopes for you.



The Holy Spirit KNOWS Everything about each and every one of us..


So your deity of choice is a pervert. Not exactly an inciter to change religions.


Do you deserve PARADISE ???

I live it every night.....



Be honest - THIS IS NO JOKE....SERIOUSLY....

Whom were joking?



Thank you...
Quiet welcome.

ETA: Code FUBAR.

[DJ Hexadecibel]

"When Jesus said, 'Suffer the little children; COME unto Me, that's NOT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT!'" -George Carlin

[The_Fire]

Notice how important the ritual is? - “FULL WATER IMMERSION” & “UNDER the Water and Up”.

I suppose if you don’t go all the way under it doesn’t count. Kind of funny that the creator of all things would allow the depth of your dunking to effect your eternal destination.

Sounds like ritual magic to me.


LLH

Didn't see this one untill now.
And I actually think you are right.
Ritual magic puts big stock in things like that. Hey, whadoyaknow: Elijah is a witch/mage/wizard!
Welcome to the club brother elijah, now tell me, how do you get around that pesky "thou shall not suffer a witch to live"-thing that you x-tians have?

[The_Fire]

"When Jesus said, 'Suffer the little children; COME unto Me, that's NOT WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT!'" -George Carlin

I think there are several priest of various christian denominations which should see that one......

[Admiral]

This thread should probably be moved- most likely to the "Religion and Philosophy" thread- since this Elijah fellow is DEFINITELY not going to make one reasonable comment about the challenge, particularly since he doesn't understand the difference between the words "rejected" and "accepted."

[The_Fire]

This thread should probably be moved- most likely to the "Religion and Philosophy" thread- since this Elijah fellow is DEFINITELY not going to make one reasonable comment about the challenge, particularly since he doesn't understand the difference between the words "rejected" and "accepted."

I second that.

[gruk]

Jeg hadde slutta å lese denne tråden for lenge siden om det ikke var for vår alles yndlingsheks!

"yndlingsheks"?

Gah, too hard to create internatiobnal characters.

[milesalpha]

Dear fruit loop,

Eternal damnation or paradise eh. Hmm tough choice. I will make an assumption that paradise would mean spending an eternity with people like you.
Hmmmm, one ticket for eternal damnation please, smoking section.

[Moochie]

Elijah666, you do realize, don't you, that the text you base all your bells and whistles on is considered by a great many to be a work of fiction, and carries no more veracity than Nostradamus's rants? That is, you're considered a sandwich short of a picnic.

M.

[strathmeyer]

Hey, I hear some guy won the Million Dollar prize, and Randi refuses to pay, and so the guy is suing Randi. Does anyone know where I can get any information on this? I've looked everywhere and can't seem to find any.

[Moochie]

Hey, I hear some guy won the Million Dollar prize, and Randi refuses to pay, and so the guy is suing Randi. Does anyone know where I can get any information on this? I've looked everywhere and can't seem to find any.

The way the testing is structured -- claimants actually have to prove their claims -- I doubt that any such happenstance could occur. More likely wishful thinking.

M.

[Ririon]

"yndlingsheks"?

Gah, too hard to create internatiobnal characters.
Not at all: æøåÆØÅ. If you can read them, just copy/paste them and pretend to be Norwegian or Danish. Just make sure you don't make any cartoons while you're at it. :)

And yes: This thread does not belong in this section.

[Moochie]

I guess since women have opted for synthetic breasts, it was inevitable that men would opt for synthetic penises.

The foregoing was entirely gratuitous. Peace be among you.

M.

[Hawk one]

Hmmm.... Lurer på om Ilden er en av de heksene som liker å danse naken i fullmånen...

[Hellbound]

Elijah666, you do realize, don't you, that the text you base all your bells and whistles on is considered by a great many to be a work of fiction, and carries no more veracity than Nostradamus's rants? That is, you're considered a sandwich short of a picnic.

M.

I think he's also missing a basket, blanket, and potato salad, as well.

In fact, he's standing naked in an intersection, eating asphalt, and remarking about how everyone else should enjoy the picnic with him...

[The_Fire]

Hmmm.... Lurer på om Ilden er en av de heksene som liker å danse naken i fullmånen...
Det kunne du godt lide at vide, hvaaaa?
:D

[Curnir]

in debt of honor Tom Clancy unknowingly predicted the following
1. Mythbusters
2. the Xbox
3. no idea I havn't found a good interpretation yet.
4. the WTC collapse on 9/11
5. the Star Wars episode I Padme/Amidala plot device.

all references refers to the english paperback version from 1995
1. on page 330
Satisfied the catapult officer made the ready signal
Obviously a prediction of the mythbuster 'boomlift catapult' episode
2. On page 757
they're fast a japanese controller observed
the japanese Xbox controllers enabled faster (better) play.
3.on page 229
We can be southwest of them or southeast, but if they're coming this way, they split the diffrence pretty clear sir.
No frickin idea here...
4. on page 591.
Both men were looking down, and it was clear the both men were unworthy at the moment.
both men is a reference to the twin towers (phalic symbols etc)... looking down = collapse... unworthy at the moment = couldn't handle planes demolishing their structures and thus collapsed.
5. on page 213.
a red light red light reflected off a mirror keeping it nicely centered.
Padme used a decoy (mirror) to keep herself safe (nicely centered) from attacks (red light)

All hail Tom Clancy the mighty prophet!

*****************************
I got the qoutes by flipping through the book and pointing at random.

Pattern findng is a game...

[Curnir]

Det kunne du godt lide at vide, hvaaaa?
:D

hmm det låter intressant.

[Moochie]

in debt of honor Tom Clancy unknowingly predicted the following
1. Mythbusters
2. the Xbox
3. no idea I havn't found a good interpretation yet.
4. the WTC collapse on 9/11
5. the Star Wars episode I Padme/Amidala plot device.

all references refers to the english paperback version from 1995
1. on page 330
Satisfied the catapult officer made the ready signal
Obviously a prediction of the mythbuster 'boomlift catapult' episode
2. On page 757
they're fast a japanese controller observed
the japanese Xbox controllers enabled faster (better) play.
3.on page 229
We can be southwest of them or southeast, but if they're coming this way, they split the diffrence pretty clear sir.
No frickin idea here...
4. on page 591.
Both men were looking down, and it was clear the both men were unworthy at the moment.
both men is a reference to the twin towers (phalic symbols etc)... looking down = collapse... unworthy at the moment = couldn't handle planes demolishing their structures and thus collapsed.
5. on page 213.
a red light red light reflected off a mirror keeping it nicely centered.
Padme used a decoy (mirror) to keep herself safe (nicely centered) from attacks (red light)

All hail Tom Clancy the mighty prophet!

*****************************
I got the qoutes by flipping through the book and pointing at random.

Pattern findng is a game...



That is indeed astonishing. It turns all we have known on its head. Praise the Lord! Praise Satan! Praise the latrine, without which our fighting men in Iraq would have to wear diapers. Oh my...

M.

[Ririon]

hmm det låter intressant.
Tror vi har funnet en ny og bedre måte å avspore en tråd totalt på.

[DJ Hexadecibel]

"Haaaaaa....haaaaa...Thank you, Thank Jesus, Thank Buddha, Thank Mohammed, Thank Allah, Thank Krishna, thank every God in the book! HAaaaaaa, Haaaaa. Please, relax. . .Haaaaaa" -Bill Hicks on his show, "Let's Hunt and Kill Billy Ray Cyrus"


EDIT:Oh, yes, I do believe we should move the thread as well

[Hawk one]

Det kunne du godt lide at vide, hvaaaa?
:D
Jepp. Men så var det det med at du ikke gjorde slikt foran fremmede... Hvordan kan vi bli bedre kjent? :p

Tror vi har funnet en ny og bedre måte å avspore en tråd totalt på.

Hehe. Den nye trenden for en tråd som har hoppa over haien er altså å begynne å skrive skandinavisk.

Jeg liker det!

[aggle-rithm]

Why do religious fruitcakes use CAPITALS! and exclamations at EVERY OPPORTUNITY! Is the Bible written that way, or is it their own humble attempt to sound like Charlton Heston in text form? I think the public should be told.

When the Bible was written, they didn't even have VOWELS, much less exclamation points.

But they also had no lower-case letters, so everything was in capitals!

[TheBoyPaj]

One more thing, Elijah.

Don't you think that, if printing Bible passages in lots of different fonts, sizes and colours made them more convincing and acceptable to skeptics, that this would already have been done centuries ago?

Just think, the whole Crusades thing could have been avoided with just some clever typesetting.

[The_Fire]

Tror vi har funnet en ny og bedre måte å avspore en tråd totalt på.

Helt enig......meeenn..eehh...mener du de beskidte jokes eller sproget?:p

[Moochie]

Jepp. Men så var det det med at du ikke gjorde slikt foran fremmede... Hvordan kan vi bli bedre kjent? :p



Hehe. Den nye trenden for en tråd som har hoppa over haien er altså å begynne å skrive skandinavisk.

Jeg liker det!

You people are terribly rude. Provide translations or go to your own forum.

M.

[The_Fire]

Jepp. Men så var det det med at du ikke gjorde slikt foran fremmede... Hvordan kan vi bli bedre kjent? :p


Du har lige kostet mig et nyt tastatur!*Grin*

[The_Fire]

You people are terribly rude. Provide translations or go to your own forum.

M.

Sorry. We scandinavians tend to forget not everyone speaks our language(s).
:blush:

[Curnir]

Sorry. We scandinavians tend to forget not everyone speaks our language(s).
:blush:
More or less the same language really (only not).

[Hawk one]

Du har lige kostet mig et nyt tastatur!*Grin*
Hva behager? Drev du på og drakk vann eller noe mens du leste posten min? I så fall beklager jeg...

Men vil fortsatt bli bedre kjent. :p


Moochie: You may as well start learning Norwegian at once. After all, us Scandinavians are secretly planning to take over the world any day now. ;)

[Curnir]

Moochie: You may as well start learning Norwegian at once. After all, us Scandinavians are secretly planning to take over the world any day now. ;)

Aye friday the 25th of .... err Nevermind

[Ririon]

You people are terribly rude. Provide translations or go to your own forum.

M.
I can assure you that most of it is a tribute to our favourite poster, "Moochie". And there are no lewd references. Whatsoever. :D

[CriticalThanking]

I think he's also missing a basket, blanket, and potato salad, as well.
No - I'm pretty sure I see the potato salad. And it has been sitting in the sun far too long.

CT

[The_Fire]

More or less the same language really (only not).

yes, the lot does, after all, originate in danish.......:p

Hawk_One: Yes. I was. But it's ok.:)

[The_Fire]

I can assure you that most of it is a tribute to our favourite poster, "Moochie". And there are no lewd references. Whatsoever. :D

That's correct. There weren't any references to our plans for world domini....erh.......nevermind.....

[Hawk one]

Hawk_One: Yes. I was. But it's ok.:)

Well, a good keyboard is designed so that it shouldn't be possible to ruin it merely by a little spraying of water (unless you remove the keys, that is).

So, what are you doing tomorrow night? :p

[The_Fire]

So, what are you doing tomorrow night? :p
Celebrating weekend and praying for the soul of Elijaah......















with my better half......:D

[aggle-rithm]

Sorry. We scandinavians tend to forget not everyone speaks our language(s).
:blush:

A speaker of three languages: Trilingual.
A speaker of two languages: Bilingual.
A speaker of one language: American.

(As someone who lives in Texas, I can tell you that the one language isn't necessarily English.)

[Hawk one]

Celebrating weekend and praying for the soul of Elijaah......

with my better half......:D

De gode er alltid opptatt...

[alfaniner]

in debt of honor Tom Clancy unknowingly predicted the following
1. Mythbusters
2. the Xbox
3. no idea I havn't found a good interpretation yet.
4. the WTC collapse on 9/11
5. the Star Wars episode I Padme/Amidala plot device.

all references refers to the english paperback version from 1995
1. on page 330
Satisfied the catapult officer made the ready signal
Obviously a prediction of the mythbuster 'boomlift catapult' episode
2. On page 757
they're fast a japanese controller observed
the japanese Xbox controllers enabled faster (better) play.
3.on page 229
We can be southwest of them or southeast, but if they're coming this way, they split the diffrence pretty clear sir.
No frickin idea here...
4. on page 591.
Both men were looking down, and it was clear the both men were unworthy at the moment.
both men is a reference to the twin towers (phalic symbols etc)... looking down = collapse... unworthy at the moment = couldn't handle planes demolishing their structures and thus collapsed.
5. on page 213.
a red light red light reflected off a mirror keeping it nicely centered.
Padme used a decoy (mirror) to keep herself safe (nicely centered) from attacks (red light)

All hail Tom Clancy the mighty prophet!

*****************************
I got the qoutes by flipping through the book and pointing at random.

Pattern findng is a game...

But you forgot the most important information -- WHAT BOOK??!!

eta -- NEVER MIND!! It was the lack of capitals that threw me. I interpreted it to say that it was a debt that Tom Clancy paid to "honor", not the title of the book.

[petre]

Perhaps a recipie from Chef Brian?

Ever wonder why new socks taste so fresh ? There's a lot more to it than you might think. It all starts with a block of cheese, just like everything starts with cheese. Then the chainsaw. You don't really need a chainsaw... but it's more fun that way. Of course.. If the jello gets moldy, the whole thing should be set aflame.

[The_Fire]

De gode er alltid opptatt...

:rub:

[Beleth]

De gode er alltid opptatt...
De alltid opptatts are pretty gode, granted, but I like the brown sugar cinnamon opptatts better.

[The_Fire]

De alltid opptatts are pretty gode, granted, but I like the brown sugar cinnamon opptatts better.
*Spew*
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You know, if you squint, that almost looks dutch!

[Ririon]

De alltid opptatts are pretty gode, granted, but I like the brown sugar cinnamon opptatts better.
I must admit I have a soft spot for them myself. But I wouldn't say they are better per se. :D

[nathan]

After all, us Scandinavians are secretly planning to take over the world any day now. ;)
I for one wish to welcome our new alien overloads

[Bullet]

Elijah - Jesus referred to the scriptures as the word of god. So that's the logical old testament validated then. Then the whole "ascension" thing happened, and much later the books that make up the new testament were written and studiously and "politically" assembled. Since Jesus has yet to "return" to earth, there has been no validation of this new testament from on high (except to those fortunate enough to have daytime and night-time visions of course). What leads you to believe that "every word" of this thing written by sinful and fallible men is something to base your life on let alone read and interpret prophecies from ?...

[gruk]

Not at all: æøåÆØÅ. If you can read them, just copy/paste them and pretend to be Norwegian or Danish. Just make sure you don't make any cartoons while you're at it. :)

And yes: This thread does not belong in this section.

It's easier at home, where the keyboard generates them natively, as it were. At not-home, I usually use HTML character entities and they went through with (I guess) normally-suitable quoting applied.

[gruk]

You people are terribly rude. Provide translations or go to your own forum.

M.

Having provided translations from Swedish to english before...

"All you have to do is ask".

In short, nothing thread-relevant has been touched upon. The closest to relevant has been "oh, so ni stead of posting food recipes, we start posting in assorted weird scandinavian languages?". Me, I have no distinct preference.

[gruk]

Sorry. We scandinavians tend to forget not everyone speaks our language(s).
:blush:

They don't? *faint* It worsk surprisingly well in the UK, I've even managed to be mistaken for a local.

[LostAngeles]

That guy forgot the most important Biblica prophecy that was fulfilled last night:

Ezekial 23:44 Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

Bow-chicka-chicka-wow-wow.

[Zep]

Never mind the plot, where's the pcitures!

[Mojo]

It was the lack of capitals that threw me.i think elijah has used them all.

[Kimpatsu]

Du har lige kostet mig et nyt tastatur!
これでは、一体何が言いたいでしょうか。誰も分かりません...。

[Mojo]

Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voll mit Aalen.

[William Smith]

Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voll mit Aalen.

My airpillowvehicle is full with eels?!?

[prewitt81]

My nipples explode with delight.

[William Smith]

My nipples explode with delight.

"Chris, that's a terrible word to say: nipples."

[Elijah777]

Elijah - Jesus referred to the scriptures as the word of god. So that's the logical old testament validated then. Then the whole "ascension" thing happened, and much later the books that make up the new testament were written and studiously and "politically" assembled. Since Jesus has yet to "return" to earth, there has been no validation of this new testament from on high (except to those fortunate enough to have daytime and night-time visions of course). What leads you to believe that "every word" of this thing written by sinful and fallible men is something to base your life on let alone read and interpret prophecies from ?...

Thanks for your Point.

First : An answer to those who would use such foul and disgusting language (verily they have their reward)

Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Second : All Matter - All Things ARE Created By God - The God Of The Holy Bible and NONE other.

So we can NOT ever be in any doubt about The Creator and His Creation He ALSO Wrote a Book - A VERY SPECIAL HOLY BOOK, that took some sixteen hundred years to complete. This Book is HIS-Story Book.

A True History Book of The Direct Intercession of The Creator into the affairs of this earth...

Why? BECAUSE, there was a WAR IN HEAVEN, Prior to this earth being Created. During this War - Lucifer and his REBELLIOUS Angels were REMOVED from Heaven and put DOWN HERE !!

The War then Continued IN The Garden of Eden and down throughout the Ages of mankind UNTIL THIS VERY MOMENT.

Mankind is the Battlefield - SOULS are the Prize.

JESUS Has The Victory and - to answer your question - The Holy Spirit of God WROTE the Bible T H R O U G H His Chosen people.

The War is NOT over yet - for all of us....

For True Christians TRYING to Preach The Truth to The Lost.

And, for SATAN continuing to DECEIVE The Lost so he can have as much COMPANY as possible in THE LAKE OF FIRE....

The LORD keeps Satan around to TEST people....

If you ARE WORTHY of Heaven - then you will RESIST Sin and The Devil and get Baptized and Saved, ACCORDING TO THE FULL GOSPEL.

If you wilfully refuse - WELL..think you know the final result of that one.

JESUS does NOT want you to PERISH....

But He can't help you if you REFUSE...

You DO have FREE WILL and that's how it works....

Choose WISELY and you will LIVE FOREVER in a State and Place beyond your IMAGINATION....

Choose POORLY and you WILL get another BODY - BUT, one Appointed for endless suffering....

Go figure what this ACTUALLY means....

FINALLY: As far as this Challenge Post is CONCERNED....

The reason i applied and filed and now engage in this post, IS because i am telling the truth.

There is NOTHING more Supernatural than God and His Holy Scriptures....

NOTHING....

PROOF, as required by the Randi Challenge (IN MY PARTICULAR CASE) has been supplied.

Why has it been rejected?

DISBELIEF and LOVE OF MONEY....The "interpretation" cop out is just that, a COP OUT....

The MAIN CRITERIA was "To Reveal an Historical Event PROPHESIED in Holy Scripture"...

Whether you like it or not, OR agree or NOT is IRRELEVANT...

The Criteria HAS BEEN satisfied and met.

Because it HAS NOT been accepted, does NOT mean it is NOT ACCURATE AND TRUE....

It means they DON'T BELIEVE IT, and will use any excuse to HOLD ON TO THE LOOT....

As stated before, he WILL NEVER pay anyone.

So, as stated before, when the time is RIGHT, The WRIT will be filed...

Sing that old seventies song by the Stones - "Timmmmmme IS on MY Side"

Amen

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[Errata]

First : An answer to those who would use such foul and disgusting language (verily they have their reward)
Second : All Matter - All Things ARE Created By God - The God Of The Holy Bible and NONE other.

So we can NOT ever be in any doubt about The Creator and His Creation He ALSO Wrote a Book - A VERY SPECIAL HOLY BOOK, that took some sixteen hundred years to complete. This Book is HIS-Story Book.


So by your logic it wasn't prewitt81 who said that his nipples explode with delight. It was God that wrote that, since he created all things. God has an awfully filthy mouth. He must also have co-authored all the sinful books on withcraft and fornication and whatnot.

[SezMe]

I haven't read this entire thread but has anyone speculated that Elijah777 is the "born again" one-inch-christ? The font/color usage is a dead give away.

[The_Fire]

Thanks for your Point.

First : An answer to those who would use such foul and disgusting language (verily they have their reward)

Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


So your God is about to croak? Interesting. Didn't know deity could die. I guess there's a first for anything. But hey, don't want his "kingdom" anyway. You can keep it. Really, you can.



Second : All Matter - All Things ARE Created By God - The God Of The Holy Bible and NONE other.

Nope. Gotta disagree with you there. First of all, you are still preaching the wrong pantheon. Second, life is created by an egg inside the female of the species being fertilized by the sperm of the male of the species. This may vary a bit from species to species but this is how it works in the human animal. Off cause this would take sex AKA as fornication, so if you lived as rigerously after the bible as you claim, then humanity would have been extinct a looong time ago. Off cause the lack of getting any would explain your reactions. Theres nothing like a little fornication, to use your language, to get the endorphins rushing. You should try it some time.


So we can NOT ever be in any doubt about The Creator and His Creation He ALSO Wrote a Book - A VERY SPECIAL HOLY BOOK, that took some sixteen hundred years to complete. This Book is HIS-Story Book.

Actually we can't be sure. First of all the book you are talking about is only about 2000 years old. Earth, and life, is vastly older than that. Second it was written by man. A species, which according to your own bible, is flawed. As such their work, including the bible, is also flawed.
Second, there are no evidence that the bible were written by any kind of divinity. Or even inspired by divinity. An interesting fact: The old testament were originally part of the Torah. That means it was originally jewish.


A True History Book of The Direct Intercession of The Creator into the affairs of this earth...

Again: There are a distinct possibility that it was written by humans whom were merely pulling various stories out of their rear ends. There are no evidence to the oppoersite.


Why? BECAUSE, there was a WAR IN HEAVEN, Prior to this earth being Created. During this War - Lucifer and his REBELLIOUS Angels were REMOVED from Heaven and put DOWN HERE !!


I know. We are having a party next saturday. Everyone is invited, but you have to bring your own beer.



The War then Continued IN The Garden of Eden and down throughout the Ages of mankind UNTIL THIS VERY MOMENT.

Evidence?



Mankind is the Battlefield - SOULS are the Prize.

Then I am safe. My soul doesn't belong to anyone involved in this little skirmish. I am, after all, not a christian and as such I have no part in that war.



JESUS Has The Victory and - to answer your question - The Holy Spirit of God WROTE the Bible T H R O U G H His Chosen people.


Selfcontradictionary. If your demideity Jesus have already won, why is there still a war? Could it be that you have become the victim of propaganda? That is, after all, part of every war ever fought. Jesus could be loosing for all you know.
That would make your "Gods Chosen People" the equivelant of Goebbels (or whom ever it was whom ran the Nazi-propaganda machine during ww2).'
I'm also rather disappointed that an omnipotent being cannot be bothered by doing the writing himself. He shouldn't need to depend on second hand information written by someone whom are bound to put their own bias into things.
This indicates that your deity is either a slacker, which if I remember correctly is a mortal sin and thus against his own teachings, or a liar in regards to his "omnipotence".




The War is NOT over yet - for all of us....

And still you earlier claimed that it was already over and that Jesus had won. Pick one and stick to it.



For True Christians TRYING to Preach The Truth to The Lost.

If you are a True Christian (tm) then I'm glad I'm not part of that religion.



And, for SATAN continuing to DECEIVE The Lost so he can have as much COMPANY as possible in THE LAKE OF FIRE....

Still wrong pantheon/religion.



The LORD keeps Satan around to TEST people....


If this Lord you are so happy to serve really were as benevolent as you claim, then he shouldn't feel the need to do that. Mayhap he has a selfesteem problem? Or maybe he's just a big bully. After all, why else should he have to resort to threats of eternal pain to garner followers?
You are not really making his case here. In fact if this is how he treats people, then I'm surprised he have ANY followers at all.
Maybe YOU got something wrong?


If you ARE WORTHY of Heaven - then you will RESIST Sin and The Devil and get Baptized and Saved, ACCORDING TO THE FULL GOSPEL.

Sorry. I don't dig bullies. And I'm quiet happy with what I believe in as it is.



If you wilfully refuse - WELL..think you know the final result of that one.

Yes, I get to hang out with my lord and lady instead of a big bully.



JESUS does NOT want you to PERISH....


Hate to have to break it to you, but everyone perishes sometime. It's called dying.



But He can't help you if you REFUSE...

I am not in need of help. What I am in need of is a cup of tea to wake up on so I can finally finish my webpage. It got really late last night and I'm sore in a couple of interesting places. But it was worth it.


You DO have FREE WILL and that's how it works....

You've only discovered this now? Ah well, I guess better late than never.



Choose WISELY and you will LIVE FOREVER in a State and Place beyond your IMAGINATION....

I can imagine pretty much. Including 20 brad pitt clones ala Joe Black (he did look cute in that one) catering to my every need. And I've already got that one down with my Deities. So I already did make a wise choice.
Is a darned side better than spending my eternity with a big bully whom lies to his followers and likes killing little babies just because they are egyptians and firstborn.



Choose POORLY and you WILL get another BODY - BUT, one Appointed for endless suffering....


Another piece of evidence supporting my claim that your deity is a big bully. If he were all that omnipotent, as you claim, then he would have to resort to scaretactics; He could simply prove his existance in a scientific maner.
He hasn't so he's either not omnipotent or non-existant.


Go figure what this ACTUALLY means....

That I made the right choice when I left the big bully known as the Christian God lying in the dust of his own failure.



FINALLY: As far as this Challenge Post is CONCERNED....

The reason i applied and filed and now engage in this post, IS because i am telling the truth.

Evidence?


There is NOTHING more Supernatural than God and His Holy Scriptures....

You have so far failed to provide evidence for the accuracy and existance of said deity. That means that your challenge is rejected/failed. You have no right to the money.



NOTHING....

...is what you have proven.



PROOF, as required by the Randi Challenge (IN MY PARTICULAR CASE) has been supplied.

False. You have provided nothing which cannot be explained as either post-diction or wild imagination.



Why has it been rejected?

As I read it:
Because it was not testifiable in a scientific sound maner.


DISBELIEF and LOVE OF MONEY....The "interpretation" cop out is just that, a COP OUT....

No. It means just that: The claim were based in interpretation and post-diction and not evidence.


The MAIN CRITERIA was "To Reveal an Historical Event PROPHESIED in Holy Scripture"...

Which means:"I get to mess around with pieces of the bible untill it fits what I say it fits.".
Not paranormal and often done.


Whether you like it or not, OR agree or NOT is IRRELEVANT...

True. If something have scientific value, then my opion doesn't matter. However nothing you have so far presented hold ANY scientific value. As such it is not challenge material.



The Criteria HAS BEEN satisfied and met.


No. Not according to the Challenge rules.



Because it HAS NOT been accepted, does NOT mean it is NOT ACCURATE AND TRUE....

For something to be true, there have to exist evidence for it's validity. YOu have failed to provide such evidence.


It means they DON'T BELIEVE IT, and will use any excuse to HOLD ON TO THE LOOT....

No. It means that you have failed to provide evidence for the existance of your claim.



As stated before, he WILL NEVER pay anyone.

He will. When someone presents the nescesarry evidence of a paranormal event.


So, as stated before, when the time is RIGHT, The WRIT will be filed...

There's no time like today. IF you really have something to back your claim with, then the time won't matter.


Sing that old seventies song by the Stones - "Timmmmmme IS on MY Side"

Then why are you wasting it? If you truly have won the challenge and have evidence on your side, then the date/time of when you file your case to the judge doesn't matter. The sooner the better. Could it be that you are *Gasp* lying through your teeth?


Amen

And may the blessings of the Lord and Lady rain upon you and give you intelligence.



2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Provide evidence for the exitance of such a being and for the original writer not being a false prophet......

ETA: Spelling mishap.

[Elijah777]

So by your logic it wasn't prewitt81 who said that his nipples explode with delight. It was God that wrote that, since he created all things. God has an awfully filthy mouth. He must also have co-authored all the sinful books on withcraft and fornication and whatnot.

NO - The unclean spirits SPEAK exactly like that.

"Possession is nine tenths of the law"

2 Peter 2

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

[Mojo]

So, as stated before, when the time is RIGHT, The WRIT will be filed...

Sing that old seventies song by the Stones - "Timmmmmme IS on MY Side"But the statute of limitation may not be...

Anyone know what the limitation period is for this sort of civil suit in the USA? It's only three years for some types of suit in the UK.

[Elijah777]

Anytime before April 2007 will be just fine with me...

i live a very long way from the USA and the UK...

Planning the strategy and the budget and LOOKING for a Born Again Christian lawyer only..

Amen

John 8 : 16
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

[Elijah777]

1). When someone presents the nescesarry evidence of a paranormal event.

2). Hate to have to break it to you, but everyone perishes sometime. It's called dying.

1). Define a "paranormal event" - please...

2). Hate to beak it to you but there is life after death.

John 5 : 29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

[rustytunes]

2) Will NOW reveal the Chernobyl nuclear reactor melt down and the Prophecy of Nuclear Power.

Please now to Revelation, Ch.8, Vs.10 -11.

"10. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from
heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11. And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters. because they were made bitter."

In 1986, the nuclear reactor at Chernobyl nearly went into a meltdown and a huge cloud of nuclear pollution was released into the atmosphere. The deaths and devastation that ensued are now public record and the event has been made famous for all time. Chernobyl took its name from bitter herbs growing in the area, and means, quite simply, "Wormwood". This first understanding is, prophetically speaking, a "direct hit", but let's study the Prophecy a little more closely.

"there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp"; We REVEAL firstly that the "great star" falling from heaven, was the release of the knowledge to mankind as to exactly how to build a nuclear reactor. To call the nuclear fission a "great star" is perfectly accurate, in so far as we now know that it takes thermonuclear reactions to power the activities of light and heat in suns & stars in the first place. So. when we start up nuclear reactors, we are imitating the activity of our Sun and, by inference, a star. The heat then drives steam turbines to produce electricity; the electricity, in turn, is used, in part, to power electric lighting, "burning as it were a lamp". The classic, "as it were" indicates the subtlety of this process and corresponding prophetic translation. Then St.John tells us "it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and the fountains of waters;" This is a perfect way to describe the use of a special kind of water in nuclear reactions, known as "heavy water". Additionally, great pumps continually circulate water around the reactor to keep it cool. "fountains of waters", plus of course, the water that is used to be turned to steam to generate the electricity. So far, the prophetic wording, by translation is exactly accurate in describing succinctly, in the "old tongue" nuclear reaction processes. Then St.John tells us the name of the star "Wormwood", noting well the capital "W" a proper name. We know Chernobyl is a proper name for this reactor that drew such public attention, so, by expansion, we reveal it applies to nuclear reactors in general. Later, St.John uses the word wormwood with a small "w" to denote the radioactive "bitter" polluting effect the "leak" had on the surrounding waters, people and hinterland. The reference to many men dying because of the bitter waters is crystal clear in the case of Chernobyl, but can also, by translation, equally apply to the many people who have lost their lives due to the global nuclear industry in general. Another classic prophecy exposed and fulfilled.

All very nice accept that the death toll from Chernobyl is 56. And these are mainly emergency workers who dealt with the distaster. This is the most up to date and most authoritive figure from UNSCEAR (United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation). Apart from 1800 cases of thyroid cancer in children exposed at the time of the accident, there is no evidence of increased overall cancer incidence or mortality 20 years later. Most thyroid cancers are completely curable.

Your claims and about massive death and destruction have absolutely no credibility and are a common fallacy. Your interpretation is completely flawed.

[The_Fire]

1). Define a "paranormal event" - please...


An event which happens in contrary to known scientific laws. Writing in a book doesn' do that.



2). Hate to beak it to you but there is life after death.


Never claimed the contrary. But can you prove it?


John 5 : 29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

And? I'm still not christian and your God is still a bully.

[The_Fire]

NO - The unclean spirits SPEAK exactly like that.

So speaking of a perfectly normal emotional response to a neuro-chemical reaction that your own God, according to you, created himself, is unclean?
It's a wonder christians ever procreated.



"Possession is nine tenths of the law"

And that means that your God and your Devil have no claim to any souls they don't already have a deal with the owner of. That includes me.


2 Peter 2

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;


So you are following a massmurderer. And a warcriminal as bad, or worse, than Stalin and Hitler put together. Not exactly convincing me that your God is anything else than the bully I've described him as. In fact he's worse than that. And you've condemned him with your own words.


7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Sorry. Freedom of Speech is a humanright I rather enjoy. Your Bully-God isn't racking up browniepoints here. Perhaps he should relocate to the lakes of fire he's so eager to threaten others with. Sounds like he belongs there.


8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )

Unlawfull only to Christians. To non-christians it's a moot point. They don't follow him, heck they probably don't even believe in his existance and as such he holds no power over them or their souls.
Tough luck.


9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Yeah right.....I'm still not christian. Your god still have no influence on me.


10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

Dignities? What dignity is there in allowing a bully and a massmurderer to condem you for living?
Sorry, but I'm still not christian and that's how it's going to continue.
Keep your Big Bully Massmurderer in the Sky while I party like it's the next millenium with my buds.

ETA: Spelling.

[The_Fire]

Anytime before April 2007 will be just fine with me...

i live a very long way from the USA and the UK...



Cop out. You can pull him in court through your own system. Not an excuse. A contract is a contract.



Planning the strategy and the budget and LOOKING for a Born Again Christian lawyer only..


What? Can't find one? Perhaps it's because there's no hold in your evidence?



Amen

John 8 : 16
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

You sound pretty alone. And you still have no case.

[Zep]

Elijah's motto: All the world is mad save me and thee, and I'm worried about thee...

[Elijah777]

Cop out. You can pull him in court through your own system. Not an excuse. A contract is a contract.

Ah.......NOW that IS the first interesting thing i have read in any of your posts so far...a glimmer of "possible truth".

Will contact my dear Christian lawyer friend next week and see if it is possible to sue him in our local jurisdiction....

In the meantime - in answer to certain "insinuations" :- There are over 2.7 Billion people in the world (at least) who will NOT deny that JESUS is The Son of God..

Hey - even the Moslems honour JESUS as a Prophet and Born of The Virgin...

So...makes me wonder who is REALLY alone out there, in this Regard With Christ....

Of course - the Moslems deny He was Crucified, so they still join multitudes going - well - you know WHERE....unless God chooses the VERY VERY RIGHTEOUS for a "Second Chance" - there is that possibility...but, i am NOT God so i can only Hope and Pray...He IS The Final Judge of ALL these Matters.

The real problem remains "DYING IN UNCLEANSED SIN"...that is to say...REFUSING THE FREELY GIVEN BLOOD OF CHRIST, By Faith and Baptism and Confession...

http://www.constellation7.org/Crucify.gif

The Moslems have been CONNED into thinking that someone else Died on The Cross, and JESUS Ascended - un-RESURRECTED....

It begs the Question - If an imposter died on The Cross, why did Judas commit suicide and give the 30 pieces of silver back to the Priests?

Judas was a THIEF....he carried the money bag and dipped from time to time.

Must have been something VERY COMPELLING to make him hang himself so violently his guts burst out everywhere, AFTER giving back the "blood money" having realised he betrayed INNOCENT BLOOD....

Truth is - the Koran is seriously in error on a multitude of points - the good stuff in it was ALREADY PREACHED AND PROPHESIED in The Gospel - Amen

Talking of time the Prophetic Second is still ticking.

Sarted at 7.47 AM 19th May 2006 forum time.

There are NO coincidences...

http://www.Constellation7.org

http://www.constellation7.org/cross.jpg

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man
in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth
mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming
in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

http://www.constellation7.org/Revolving_Fish.gif

WATCH.......

[Odin]

1inChrist 6
61:And then 1inChrist spoke to the forum;
Repent or ye shall perish in the Hellfire!
62:But the forum did not listen,
and they taunted him with kitty pictures,
and cruxcified him with recipies.
63:Then 1inChrist turned from the forum,
and decended into the heavens,
there rejoining his father, the holy TROLL.
64:But before departing,
he spoke to his loyal followers;
Though I leave you, I shall return,
amidst the holy Hellfire I shall come,
65: And by my use of colored fonts,
and multiple bible quotes,
shall you recognise me.
66: And thus shalt the forum be judged.

Elijah777, it is my understanding of these scared texts, that you are 1inChrist come again! You have filled all the prophetic signs-

preaching about the burning fires of Hell:
Elijah777 5:2-3
As for God putting people in Hell - WELL, what do we do with our garbage down here on earth?
We BURN IT...

using colored fonts:
Elijah777 1:4
Well, BEHOLD, for The Record, here are just THREE Revelations below the line that were rejected.

Quoting the bible:
Elijah777 1:20
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I hail you as the second coming of our most holy troll!

[Zep]

In the meantime - in answer to certain "insinuations" :- There are over 2.7 Billion people in the world (at least) who will NOT deny that JESUS is The Son of God.Dude, there have been many billions more who believe fervently even to this day that the Earth is flat, and the sun revolves around us, etc. So by that criteria, they are more right than you! True?

Which leads us to an even stronger proposition: Eat manure - 100 billion flies can't be wrong.

OK?

Good man. Keep posting; your meds will kick in soon...

[CFLarsen]

Elijah777,

Why don't you come to The Amazing Meeting next year?

[Raphael]

Elijah777....why did you feel the need to post a Photoshopped image of a plane superimposed on clouds? Reality just doesn't suit you?

[Ririon]

Sing that old seventies song by the Stones - "Timmmmmme IS on MY Side"

Amen

Quoting confessed satanists and makers of the brilliant song "Sympathy for the Devil"? I'm afraid you're going to Hell for that. Let me suggest going there during the music festival:

http://www.hellmusicfestival.no/indexE.htm

[The_Fire]

Ah.......NOW that IS the first interesting thing i have read in any of your posts so far...a glimmer of "possible truth".

Thats funny. Then why did you react to my earlier posts? Could it be that you are not so used to getting contradicted?



Will contact my dear Christian lawyer friend next week and see if it is possible to sue him in our local jurisdiction....


Do that. But I thought you were still looking for a lawyer? Get your story straight.



In the meantime - in answer to certain "insinuations" :- There are over 2.7 Billion people in the world (at least) who will NOT deny that JESUS is The Son of God..

And there are 3.3 billion people who DON'T recognize him as the saviour. Or as anything more than a figment of a 2000 year old authors imagination.
I'm one of them. Beliefs don't evidence make.



Hey - even the Moslems honour JESUS as a Prophet and Born of The Virgin...

But not the son of God. And I though you had a problem with moslems? Again: Get your story straight. And it's still not evidence. Merely anecdotes.


So...makes me wonder who is REALLY alone out there, in this Regard With Christ....

Why, The Lord and Lady is there off cause. If anything.



Of course - the Moslems deny He was Crucified, so they still join multitudes going - well - you know WHERE....unless God chooses the VERY VERY RIGHTEOUS for a "Second Chance" - there is that possibility...but, i am NOT God so i can only Hope and Pray...He IS The Final Judge of ALL these Matters.

To christians. But I am, as stated on multiple occasions, not christian and as such your God have no jurisdiction over me. And how can you be sure about what "righteous" is to a Bully like your God? After all: The Bible could be a falsum. Wouldn't be the first time a false prophet made a living out of scamming the gullible. Where are your evidence that your God exists?



The real problem remains "DYING IN UNCLEANSED SIN"...that is to say...REFUSING THE FREELY GIVEN BLOOD OF CHRIST, By Faith and Baptism and Confession...

Yap, yap, yap: You still fail to provide evidence of your claim and the existance of your God.



http://www.constellation7.org/Crucify.gif

The Moslems have been CONNED into thinking that someone else Died on The Cross, and JESUS Ascended - un-RESURRECTED....

Where are your evidence that its not YOU whom are being conned? After all, could be the Chrisitan Devil whom authored the Bible for all you know....


It begs the Question - If an imposter died on The Cross, why did Judas commit suicide and give the 30 pieces of silver back to the Priests?

Or did he, if such an event actually happened which you still haven proven beyond a doubt, do it on the command of his master?



Judas was a THIEF....he carried the money bag and dipped from time to time.

Slander. Where are your evidence?



Must have been something VERY COMPELLING to make him hang himself so violently his guts burst out everywhere, AFTER giving back the "blood money" having realised he betrayed INNOCENT BLOOD....

Not if he, as recent research claims, were a Gnostic. Then he simply left the world created by Evil behind.....Or could it be that the Bible is LYING?
Where are your evidence that such an event took place?



Truth is - the Koran is seriously in error on a multitude of points - the good stuff in it was ALREADY PREACHED AND PROPHESIED in The Gospel - Amen

Where are your evidence supporting the bible as anything else than a good story? Where are your evidence that Jesus existed?
And the bible still only is gospel to those of the christian faith. It's rules and laws only pertains to them. Not me.



Talking of time the Prophetic Second is still ticking.

Sarted at 7.47 AM 19th May 2006 forum time.

There are NO coincidences...



Yes there is. It's called "Cause" and "Consequence" and can be explained by science. You have still not provided evidence for your claim.



http://www.Constellation7.org

http://www.constellation7.org/cross.jpg


I can do better photoshopping than that. And it's not evidence.


Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man
in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth
mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming
in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

http://www.constellation7.org/Revolving_Fish.gif

WATCH.......

Still not evidence. Clue: What you are doing is called "Post-Diction" and it's far from supernatural.

[William Smith]

This thread has nothing to do with the JREF Challenge.
Not even close.
Elijah777 makes no sensible claims, shows no interest in a reasoned discussion - and of course will not sue the JREF.

[milesalpha]

And lo, I mounted my cereal bowl of Alpha Bits and gazed upon my wife....no wait, that's the other way around. And verily the bowl did say unto me...OOOOOOOOOOOOO. And I realized that my wife had given unto me a bowl of Cheerios.

Here endeth the lesson.

On a side note, I truly look forward to your court challenge. After all, Jon Stewart is only on 2 hours a week, I could use a lot more comedy. Any lawyer who actually accepts this case would have to be more than Christian, he'd have to know damn little about the law. But that seems to fit nicely into your pattern.

[milesalpha]

This thread has nothing to do with the JREF Challenge.
Not even close.
Elijah777 makes no sensible claims, shows no interest in a reasoned discussion - and of course will not sue the JREF.

Perhaps, but he is a good for a giggle. And unlike some of the other applicants, for some strange reason, I feel no need to give him any respect. (I think the opening post clearly demonstrated what he is, in my younger days they use to hang around street corners and bark at the moon, now they have the internet).

[Moochie]

After one liter of 37.5% proof vodka, adulterated only by diet Coke, I can now reveal that The Lord has spoken to me.

He spake unto me that Elijah is a False Prophet who must be put on a low-sugar diet immediately.

He also spake some helloes to his fans, none of whose names I remember. Consider yourselves spaked to, nevertheless.

Amen, and whatever.

M.

[William Smith]

And lo, I mounted my cereal bowl of Alpha Bits and gazed upon my wife....no wait, that's the other way around. And verily the bowl did say unto me...OOOOOOOOOOOOO. And I realized that my wife had given unto me a bowl of Cheerios.
...


You would never borrow jokes from "Family Guy", would you? ;)

[Elijah777]

JUST A SNIPPET OF M.KRAMER'S RESPONSE AFTER THE SECOND SIGN AND WONDER PART OF THE CLAIM WAS SENT.......> WILL RELEASE THAT EVIDENCE WHEN THE SECOND HAS TICKED...

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++

----- Original Message -----
From: "M. KRAMER" <kramer@randi.org>
To: "Elijah
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: ELIJAH ...JREF - FIRST TWO LEVELS OF THE APPLICATION CONTAINED HEREIN - FINAL SIGN AND WONDER


> Please, ELIJAH, no more emails. We get your point. We hear you. We are
> simply and politely requesting that we not hear it again.
>
> Send more and we will delete without reading.
>
> Done.
>
> -Kramer

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++

A TASTE OF "THE SECOND" OVER TO COME ...CLICK AND LOOK - COOL

http://www.bible-codes.org/bible-code-hurricane-Ivan-Jeannie.htm

Jeanne was the fourth hurricane to hit Florida in the past six weeks.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2004/graphics/AT11/55.AL1104W.GIF

Numbers 12:6
And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

[The_Fire]

JUST A SNIPPET OF M.KRAMER'S RESPONSE AFTER THE SECOND SIGN AND WONDER PART OF THE CLAIM WAS SENT.......> WILL RELEASE THAT EVIDENCE WHEN THE SECOND HAS TICKED...

Bla-bla-bla....

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++

----- Original Message -----
From: "M. KRAMER" <kramer@randi.org>
To: "Elijah
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: ELIJAH ...JREF - FIRST TWO LEVELS OF THE APPLICATION CONTAINED HEREIN - FINAL SIGN AND WONDER


> Please, ELIJAH, no more emails. We get your point. We hear you. We are
> simply and politely requesting that we not hear it again.
>
> Send more and we will delete without reading.
>
> Done.
>
> -Kramer



Let me guess, this was AFTER your claim were rejected. Not evidence for anything except that they didn't want your emails.



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++

A TASTE OF "THE SECOND" OVER TO COME ...CLICK AND LOOK - COOL

http://www.bible-codes.org/bible-code-hurricane-Ivan-Jeannie.htm

Jeanne was the fourth hurricane to hit Florida in the past six weeks.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2004/graphics/AT11/55.AL1104W.GIF



Post-diction. NOT paranormal.



Numbers 12:6
And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

Still not paranormal. And proof of nothing.
Where are your evidence? Prediction/prophecy includes actually PREDICTING things BEFORE they happen. This isn't evidence.

ETA: Code mishap.

[juryjone]

Of course - the Moslems deny He was Crucified, so they still join multitudes going - well - you know WHERE....unless God chooses the VERY VERY RIGHTEOUS for a "Second Chance" - there is that possibility...but, i am NOT God so i can only Hope and Pray...He IS The Final Judge of ALL these Matters.

Interesting - you can throw out Bible verses with no provocation. Yet there is no Bible verse referred to here.

Tell me, where is "Second Chance" mentioned in the Bible? How does that work? The Bible only mentions heaven and earth, so I guess this "second chance" would have to happen on earth, which would make that -- REINCARNATION. Decidedly non-christian.

Or perhaps you are Catholic. Perhaps the "second chance" takes place in Limbo. No, no, no - the Catholics are getting rid of that. Purgatory, perhaps?

How about it? How about a verse in the Bible that states unequivocally that there is a "second chance", and how it is done? Or does it need your own special kind of "translation"?

[Elijah777]

In browsing for additional back up evidence - located this site :-

http://www.bible-codes.org/message-to-christians.htm

Amen

[The_Fire]

In browsing for additional back up evidence - located this site :-

http://www.bible-codes.org/message-to-christians.htm

Amen
Hearsay. Anecdotal. NOT EVIDENCE.

ETA: BIBLECODES?! You have got to be kidding......

http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/bcodedbk.htm
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbiblecode.html
http://www.valleyskeptic.com/biblec_1.htm
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/091199/tec_124-6769.shtml

[Elijah777]

Let me guess, this was AFTER your claim were rejected. Not evidence for anything except that they didn't want your emails.



Post-diction. NOT paranormal.



Still not paranormal. And proof of nothing.
Where are your evidence? Prediction/prophecy includes actually PREDICTING things BEFORE they happen. This isn't evidence.

ETA: Code mishap.

Patience - ALL WILL BE REVEALED....

Matthew 10:26
Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

1 Corinthians 2
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

[The_Fire]

Patience - ALL WILL BE REVEALED....


If you were capable of doing what you claim you can do, then there would be no need for patience.
Cough up your evidence.
Matthew 10:26
Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.



Whom says I'm affraid? I'm not the one with a bully for a God.

1 Corinthians 2
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

And if your God doesn't know how to speak in straight english, then I maintain that he is not omnipotent or are pulling your chain. So far all I've heard from you is a load of codswallop and claptrap.
And I'm still not christian so the glory of your God is not of interest to me.

ETA: for some reason I keep getting double quote tags.

[Elijah777]

Interesting - you can throw out Bible verses with no provocation. Yet there is no Bible verse referred to here.

Tell me, where is "Second Chance" mentioned in the Bible? How does that work? The Bible only mentions heaven and earth, so I guess this "second chance" would have to happen on earth, which would make that -- REINCARNATION. Decidedly non-christian.

Matthew 11

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.


Or perhaps you are Catholic. Perhaps the "second chance" takes place in Limbo. No, no, no - the Catholics are getting rid of that. Purgatory, perhaps?

How about it? How about a verse in the Bible that states unequivocally that there is a "second chance", and how it is done? Or does it need your own special kind of "translation"?

Matthew 12:31
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.



Matthew 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

[The_Fire]

Matthew 12:32
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

...If you are a christian. Which I am not. Not of consequence for me. I could call the Holy Ghost a Whoremonger if I wanted to and it would still not be of consequence for me.
As previously stated: No deity of the Christian pantheon, including Devil, God, Holy Spirit and the demigod Jesus have any claim on my soul. They can only claim those of the christian religion.


Luke 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Se above. Repetition doesn't make your claim anymore true.

ETA: Clarification.

[Elijah777]

1). Define a "paranormal event" - please...

2). Hate to beak it to you but there is life after death.

John 5 : 29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

REPEAT : PLEASE DEFINE A PARANORMAL EVENT

NB : What is "The Amazing Meeting" next year supposed to be all about?

[The_Fire]

REPEAT : PLEASE DEFINE A PARANORMAL EVENT

I did. See post 322

NB : What is "The Amazing Meeting" next year supposed to be all about?

Take a look at the front page of this place. You'll find a link to the appropriate page.
And you still haven't proven your claim of a paranormal event or the existance of your God.

[Mojo]

Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; Does this include The_Fire's "boobs and other equipment"?

[The_Fire]

Does this include The_Fire's "boobs and other equipment"?
You wish.....

[milesalpha]

You would never borrow jokes from "Family Guy", would you? ;)

Actually, I've never seen the show. I will admit this also, I HATE The Simpsons. I'm old (or so my knees tell me daily), I still only watch Bugs Bunny cartoons. Did I hit on a coincidence? It's psychic I tell ya! Can I get affadavits from all of you? Can I start writing Randi and demanding the prize? How about if I scale it down to a free cruise? A SlimJim?

[milesalpha]

Dear fruit loop,

Thought I'd help your born again Christian lawyer and you out a bit. Lord knows (pun intended) you need it. I noticed from your snippet that it was dated April 2004. Most jurisdictions place a relatively short time limit on contract cases, the statute of limitations in civil cases is no where near those of criminal court. In my area it is 2 years, and this is a common number. Better get your lawyer (Matt Murdock?) on it straight away.

[Tricky]

My terms were accepted OFFICIALLY - Your replies were so fast you could NOT have possibly studied the fulfilled Prophecies...
Why don't you scan those documents where the procedure was agreed upon and post them here? A copy of your application and the receipt showing where it was received by JREF would also lend support to your claim.

Frankly, your credulity is a bit suspect.

ETA:

I see where you did indeed submit an application. Someone already linked the thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=49877&highlight=bible)where you discussed your application with Kramer. There was obviously never an agreement, Dr. Ward. Your claim that there was one is merely another of your flawed interpretations.

And to answer your question, a simple definition is "an occurrance that is contrary to the known laws of science". Forcing interpretations cannot in any way be said to be paranormal.

[William Smith]

Actually, I've never seen the show. I will admit this also, I HATE The Simpsons. I'm old (or so my knees tell me daily), I still only watch Bugs Bunny cartoons. Did I hit on a coincidence? It's psychic I tell ya! Can I get affadavits from all of you? Can I start writing Randi and demanding the prize? How about if I scale it down to a free cruise? A SlimJim?

In an episode, the dialogue goes something like this:

"Peter: Oh my god, Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits. It says, 'Oooooo.'
Brian: Peter, those are Cheerios."

(Unfortunately, I can't geek it up and tell you the exact episode, season, production number, writer, producer, director and the color of the panties that chick used to wear when she gave a rusty trombone to this guy whose job it was to get lunch that day at the cheap restaurant where he gave a dirty sanchez to the veedeed waitress who gave him a cleveland steamer the other day when he lost that bet where he had to drink a gallon of whore sea men (take your time with this one.......now you got it) and could only finish half and had to buy lunch again.)

Check it out sometime, it'll most likely give you a laugh.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I need some new recipes. I suspect this thread will soon provide a plethora of them.

[milesalpha]

In an episode, the dialogue goes something like this:

"Peter: Oh my god, Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits. It says, 'Oooooo.'
Brian: Peter, those are Cheerios."

(Unfortunately, I can't geek it up and tell you the exact episode, season, production number, writer, producer, director and the color of the panties that chick used to wear when she gave a rusty trombone to this guy whose job it was to get lunch that day at the cheap restaurant where he gave a dirty sanchez to the veedeed waitress who gave him a cleveland steamer the other day when he lost that bet where he had to drink a gallon of whore sea men (take your time with this one.......now you got it) and could only finish half and had to buy lunch again.)

Check it out sometime, it'll most likely give you a laugh.


Wow, really, I got the basic idea from The Meaning of Life (Michael Palin's sermon at the boy's school). Then I just made nonsense up, copying Elijah of course. I'll make a point of looking for the show, great minds and all that.:boggled:

[skullerello]

OMF-Gee! I can't believe this topic has gone on for 9 pages.
Before I registered on these forums, I lurked. And, actually, I signed on merely to wish the old guy a speedy recovery.
I always watched The Tonight Show w/Johnny Carson whenever Randi was a guest, and I found his resolute un-acceptance of anything "woo" to be extremely interesting; ultimately devestating to my whack, little developing sensabilities towards all things inexplicable ; highly educational, and, in the long run, just plain entertaining.
I now find myself trying to educate the poor deceived of this world as to how micro-wave ovens work, and why they can't possibly believe in ghosts in light of such wonderous technology.
After all, "you can't have your cake, and eat it too."
"You can't have an I-pod, and believe in the "woo".

[skullerello]

And, just as an aside to all you valiant folks who've already posted, I think you're gold.

[William Smith]

Wow, really, I got the basic idea from The Meaning of Life (Michael Palin's sermon at the boy's school). Then I just made nonsense up, copying Elijah of course. I'll make a point of looking for the show, great minds and all that.:boggled:

I never made it through "Meaning Of Life" - if you refer to the Monty Python movie. "Family Guy" makes lots of cultural references. It forms an integral part of the show.

Critics may call this technique "stealing" or not very creative. (I wonder what Jay Sherman thinks.)
I consider it a bow before the creations of other artists. It shows respect for your fellow men - when applied tastefully. Like a rusty trombone.

One more quote from Stewie Griffin, the baby boy on "Family Guy":

"Stewie (to one of the prostitutes at Cleveland's house):
So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?"

[skullerello]

I mean, people like the Fire go out of their way to cut and paste all the woo's responses to the gibberish, simply for the sake of us all to read, and then...

[ruach1]

Nine pages in less than four days. I've never seen anything like it at JREF Forum.

Other than being colorful in more ways than one, why is this thread getting so much attention?

I don't get it...

Are skeptics this insecure?

Or does everyone like playing whack-a-troll so much? :troll:

[William Smith]

Nine pages in less than four days. I've never seen anything like it at JREF Forum.

Other than being colorful in more ways than one, why is this thread getting so much attention?

I don't get it...

Are skeptics this insecure?

Or does everyone like playing whack-a-troll so much? :troll:

Are you, ruach1, so insecure you abandon your own thread? http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=56299

[Mojo]

He seems to have been whacked there.

[The_Fire]

Or does everyone like playing whack-a-troll so much? :troll:

Yup. Particulary the fundie-subspecies.

[Elijah777]

Why don't you scan those documents where the procedure was agreed upon and post them here? A copy of your application and the receipt showing where it was received by JREF would also lend support to your claim.

Frankly, your credulity is a bit suspect.

ETA:

I see where you did indeed submit an application. Someone already linked the thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=49877&highlight=bible)where you discussed your application with Kramer. There was obviously never an agreement, Dr. Ward. Your claim that there was one is merely another of your flawed interpretations.

And to answer your question, a simple definition is "an occurrance that is contrary to the known laws of science". Forcing interpretations cannot in any way be said to be paranormal.

For the record - never heard of Alan Ward - that was NOT me....

The level of detail provided in PROVING that The Supernatural Creator of The Universe, Wrote THE BEST SELLING BOOK in the entire History of mankind, was unprecedented...

The Prophecies of JESUS CHRIST alone are SPECTACULAR and His Life fulfilled them...

In any event, my Claim was in Three Parts...you have only seen a tiny snippet of the First Part...the Second Part is scheduled to be posted when "The Prophetic Second" has Ticked...

Enough to say it drawing very close...

Also, for the Record, i cannot PREDICT when The Lord is going to Reveal a Future Event - it just HAPPENS...and then, it's only AFTER the historical event has transpired that the prophecy can then be scrutinised.

True Prophecy has a deeper purpose than just the revealing of a future event.

All that "modern science" can ever do is dismally lag behind in the slipstream of The LORD God, barely scraping the surface of the currently known Creation.

Everything that "scientists" think they know today, will become Obselete when JESUS Returns for the Second Time.

Remember He was Seen and Recorded by Faithful Witnesses WALKING ON WATER, Changing Water to Wine, Raising The Dead, Healing The Sick by TOUCH, and transmuting small quantites of food matter into a fast feast with a large surplus, Recovering Control and Complete Possession AGAIN of His mutilated and murdered Physical Body, and was LAST SEEN, by over 500 Faithful Witnesses, with TWO ANGELS IN WHITE (Real Physical beings) ASCENDING BACK TO HEAVEN on board a "cloud"...

If you doubt this, what year is this NOW?

Who is the MOST famous Name in all of History?

What is THE MOST PUBLISHED AND TRANSLATED Book of ALL TIME?

Seek and ye shall surely Find?

Disbelieve and your search is futile...

JESUS is God - and so he CAN and DID Do All and More than The Most Holy Bible Truly Records...The Most Holy Bible is The Tip of The Vast Mountain of Church History..

Open your eyes....

This Supernatural Revelation is PRECISELY what the incredulous Randi is seeking....It's been in front of his glazed eyes ALL HIS LIFE....Amen

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:
but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

[Odin]

Nine pages in less than four days. I've never seen anything like it at JREF Forum.

Other than being colorful in more ways than one, why is this thread getting so much attention?

I don't get it...

Are skeptics this insecure?

Or does everyone like playing whack-a-troll so much? :troll:

Because Elijah777 is basically the same troll type as 1inChrist (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=3352) (look at how big some of his threads (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=29226) got) and somewhat similar to kilik and mayday.

One reason these threads get so big is that they usually break down into mini TRSOTTTWND's with conversations between posters that have little to do with the thread title (and recipies/ pictures of cats.)
Another is that their highly provocative while lacking in arguments.

[The_Fire]

For the record - never heard of Alan Ward - that was NOT me....

The level of detail provided in PROVING that The Supernatural Creator of The Universe, Wrote THE BEST SELLING BOOK in the entire History of mankind, was unprecedented...

The Prophecies of JESUS CHRIST alone are SPECTACULAR and His Life fulfilled them...

In any event, my Claim was in Three Parts...you have only seen a tiny snippet of the First Part...the Second Part is scheduled to be posted when "The Prophetic Second" has Ticked...

Enough to say it drawing very close...

Also, for the Record, i cannot PREDICT when The Lord is going to Reveal a Future Event - it just HAPPENS...and then, it's only AFTER the historical event has transpired that the prophecy can then be scrutinised.

True Prophecy has a deeper purpose than just the revealing of a future event.

All that "modern science" can ever do is dismally lag behind in the slipstream of The LORD God, barely scraping the surface of the currently known Creation.

Everything that "scientists" think they know today, will become Obselete when JESUS Returns for the Second Time.

Remember He was Seen and Recorded by Faithful Witnesses WALKING ON WATER, Changing Water to Wine, Raising The Dead, Healing The Sick by TOUCH, and transmuting small quantites of food matter into a fast feast with a large surplus, Recovering Control and Complete Possession AGAIN of His mutilated and murdered Physical Body, and was LAST SEEN, by over 500 Faithful Witnesses, with TWO ANGELS IN WHITE (Real Physical beings) ASCENDING BACK TO HEAVEN on board a "cloud"...

If you doubt this, what year is this NOW?

Who is the MOST famous Name in all of History?

What is THE MOST PUBLISHED AND TRANSLATED Book of ALL TIME?

Seek and ye shall surely Find?

Disbelieve and your search is futile...

JESUS is God - and so he CAN and DID Do All and More than The Most Holy Bible Truly Records...The Most Holy Bible is The Tip of The Vast Mountain of Church History..

Open your eyes....

This Supernatural Revelation is PRECISELY what the incredulous Randi is seeking....It's been in front of his glazed eyes ALL HIS LIFE....Amen

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:
but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

More bla-bla-bla.

Fame etc. don't evidence make.

[William Smith]

...
Also, for the Record, i cannot PREDICT when The Lord is going to Reveal a Future Event - it just HAPPENS...and then, it's only AFTER the historical event has transpired that the prophecy can then be scrutinised.
...


Thank you, Elijah777, for proving again your complete misunderstanding of the Challenge.

Thank you, Elijah777, for showing that you have no intent - or ability - to predict anything.

Thank you, Elijah777, for honouring the First Commandment Of Forum Interaction:
"Thouth shalth noth wasteth bandwidth."
(Ok, I predict this will not happen. You will post until getting banned for repeated breaches of your Membership Agreement. Hihi, I said "member".)

[The_Fire]

Just to make the glaringly opvious even more obvious, here's the direct link to the challenge page so that Elijah can see in how MANY instances his "challenge" doesn't meet the criteria.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

[milesalpha]

I never made it through "Meaning Of Life" - if you refer to the Monty Python movie. "Family Guy" makes lots of cultural references. It forms an integral part of the show.

Critics may call this technique "stealing" or not very creative. (I wonder what Jay Sherman thinks.)
I consider it a bow before the creations of other artists. It shows respect for your fellow men - when applied tastefully. Like a rusty trombone.

One more quote from Stewie Griffin, the baby boy on "Family Guy":

"Stewie (to one of the prostitutes at Cleveland's house):
So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?"

Yep Python, I am a diehard fan. The movie is quite difficult to get through, going from hilarious (every sperm is sacred/the Galaxy Song)to absolutlely weird (I have never understood the "find the fish" scene). I have no problem with cultural references, heck Dennis Miller's career is founded on them, as long as they are clever. The greatest comedy of all time is dotted with references of the pop culture of the appropriate era (Rowan Atkinson's Black Adder, in my less than humble opinion). Atkinson's "welcoming new arrivals to hell" is also brilliant, and a speech that all of us are going to hear, including Elijah ("Christians, are you here? Ah yes, well I'm sorry but the Jews were right.").

[William Smith]

Yep Python, I am a diehard fan. The movie is quite difficult to get through, going from hilarious (every sperm is sacred/the Galaxy Song)to absolutlely weird (I have never understood the "find the fish" scene). I have no problem with cultural references, heck Dennis Miller's career is founded on them, as long as they are clever. The greatest comedy of all time is dotted with references of the pop culture of the appropriate era (Rowan Atkinson's Black Adder, in my less than humble opinion). Atkinson's "welcoming new arrivals to hell" is also brilliant, and a speech that all of us are going to hear, including Elijah ("Christians, are you here? Ah yes, well I'm sorry but the Jews were right.").

To get Monty Python's or Mr. Bean's humour it seems helpful to possess a bunch of british/anglo-saxon genes, let's say, at least three pounds.

I like Monty Python's originality and their sense for hiding pearls of wisdom under piles of absurdity. But I find their work not asthetically pleasing enough - nevertheless I assume it's not meant to be.

Perhaps I was raised with different influences. More Lö-Bräu. (If you can tell me where I took that last reference from, you da man.)

[Hawk one]

"Good evening. As I'm sure the brighter of you have realised, this is Hell, and I am the Devil. Now we have- will you stop screaming???

Thank you."

I love that sketch. And it makes sense that if the devil exists, he'll have English manners. :p

[prewitt81]

Recovering Control and Complete Possession AGAIN of His mutilated and murdered Physical Body, and was LAST SEEN, by over 500 Faithful Witnesses, with TWO ANGELS IN WHITE (Real Physical beings) ASCENDING BACK TO HEAVEN on board a "cloud"...

Do you have the names of these 500 witnesses? Surely a percentage of them were literate and passed on this "truth" to the ages, right? . . . no? . . .

[Elijah777]

For the growing Record, below is another small section from the Filed Claim Document that will be cited in court as meeting and fulfilling the Accepted Challenge Criteria, in my particluar case.

Also, for the Record, as a Confirmed prophet of The Lord, not only do i include the Claim material below for public viewing now, it is hereby IRREVOCABLY stated for the Record, that the below snippet is NOT an "interpretation" open to ridicule and conjecture, it is a CONFIRMED PROPHETIC TRANSLATION REVELATION, of a piece of Powerful Recent History, Prophesied around AD 96 and mostly fulfilled during the 20th Century.

In fact, the main foundation of this entire Treatise Reveals that vast amounts of hitherto, unexplainable Prophetic Writings in the Old and New Testament, Saw their Major Fulfillment DURING The Twentieth Century.

Now, in the 21st Century, the focus is becoming SHARPER - Amen


Revelation, Chapter 8, Vs.7, 8 & 9

7. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of the trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

8. And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of sea became blood;

9. And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Since this Treatise deals with Prophecies that have been recently fulfilled, we nearly always look at this century for indicators of prophetic fulfillment. Let's see what St.John is saying here. It is very important not to conclude that each process he describes actually brings about the the next result; rather, we conclude that he is chronicling a list of subjects, some related and some not, that occur within the proposed time frame.

"and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood," This first prophetic statement, covers the massive aerial bombing campaigns of all recent. modern wars. The hail is the rain of bombs dropping on people, hence the "fire, mingled with blood", "and they were cast upon the earth". The hail is the bombs and the cast is the dropping of the bombs. (plus also the bombs were "cast" upon the earth, using an alternative definition of "cast" as in moulded from metal: This is the prophetic beauty of the English language and its many intricate meanings)

Now look at these words: "and the third part of trees was burnt up". This century has experienced the worst non stop cases of global deforestation ever witnessed in the history of mankind. Most of these trees were burnt up, although "burnt up" can also be understood as a metaphor for the general destruction of trees, by cutting down, etc. It may well be that nearly a third of the world's trees have already been destroyed, but who can count them? The Lord of course - and we therefore conclude that nearly a third have been destroyed, for one reason or another, hence this prophetic section being all but fulfilled.

"and all green grass was burnt up". Well, it is clear that all green grass has not been burnt up, and, hopefully, never will be. When we come across an anomaly like this we must look deeper for the meaning. Since, in the first section of the prophecy "hail, fire blood", are clearly a reference to bombing campaigns, we have war as an introductory theme. In the esoteric world of prophetic wording, it is not uncommon for certain words to be used as similes and metaphors. We contend that "green" here means young, fresh, new, naive, ignorant, even innocent to some extent.

We further reveal, as is not uncommon in scripture, that "grass" refers to people. Hence we have a certain kind of ignorant, young group of people being burnt up.

Our Revelation in this context is simply that St.John refers to all the soldiers that were killed in so many wars gone by, although it was a certain kind of soldier "green" that died, hence, all of them, in that "green" category were destined for death, by virtue of this Prophecy; this brings us to a more spiritual point that perhaps, a large number of "green" souls have been sent to earth specially to die in wars. A metaphysical viewpoint to explain how so many millions of young men and women, unquestioning in their choices, just went straight to their deaths in battle for Freedom. Almost as if they were brainwashed and ignored the fact they were going to die. This understanding would fully translate the use of the word "green grass" and we therefore reveal this as what is actually meant in this section of the Prophecy.

Alternatively, this translation, in the face of no other plausible alternative, is, by virtue of itself, a prophecy in its own right!

"And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea:" As stated at the beginning of this Treatise, this author feels a certain authority in exposing the hidden meanings of certain prophecies, based on numerous past experiences, with "visions and dreams coming to pass already". In this regard, as the reader can discover in Author's Personal Testimonies, this author is what the secular world would describe as a natural clairvoyant, or psychic, with the gifts of divination and prophecy emerging at an early age. NB : However, due to the fact that most clairvoyants and psychics are antichrist, this "definition" of this author's gift is refuted, as this author Loves and Serves The Lord JESUS Christ, annulling the secular definition ENTIRELY.

Now, because of the time frame we study in, (late 1990s), the author has the benefit of modern pictorial technology to refer to, plus a very rich recent litany of events in modern history to draw from as references.

When looking at St.John's wording at the start of this paragraph, only one event appears in sharp focus: The American underwater nuclear explosion test in the south pacific around Bikini Atoll, when that literal "mountain" of water exploded and was photographed and replayed thousands of times since the early fifties. It is this that St.John also "saw". The great mountain being the nuclear bomb, burning with fire in the sea, casting high into the air "craggy peaks" of exploding white water. This image is crystal clear to this author!

http://www.CONSTELLATION7.ORG/SeaMountains/SeaMountain.jpg

"and the third part of the sea became blood". In understanding what is meant here, we turn to another famous 20th century phenomena, that of "oil slicks" and oil pollution in general.

When Saddam Hussein turned on the oil taps from Kuwait into the Persian Gulf, and the oil lapped at the beaches of that area, it became clear what St.John was seeing. The thick oil on water looks like blood. When blood has been released and congeals it turns almost black, not bright red. A perfect description of oil slicks that have plagued our seas worldwide ever since we first started drawing the oil from the earth. Additionally, the marine phenomena known as "red tides", also only recently understood, further fulfills this Prophecy and again pinpoints our current time frame!

"and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died;" This reference is very clear when we look at the near extinction of some species of whales and dolphins, and is made all the more obvious when that understanding is correlated to the massive overfishing mankind has exercised this century and last century. Again, no one but the Lord has counted all the creatures in the sea, but we Reveal that a good third have been destroyed by whaling and fishing industries. Just recently, the cod disappeared from the North West Atlantic. They used to visit the coasts of Canada in that region in such abundance, the ships came back daily weighed down with colossal catches; then, early in the 1990s, they literally vanished, causing the collapse of local towns and villages, that were supported by that fishing industry, so much so, that all fishing in that region has been banned for at least 10 years to try and stimulate the recovery of the once abundant shoals. A very clear fulfillment of prophecy indeed. Japanese drift net fishing is but one of many other examples of this Prophecy undergoing fulfillment.

"and the third part of the ships were destroyed"; Now, since we are always building and launching ships, this is a difficult prophecy to assess, therefore, we look back at the original theme of WW1 & WW2, and that particular period of modern history. It is clear that massive destruction of ships was a large feature of these wars, and, again, we reveal that certainly, at its peak, a third of the total number of ships (including submarines) in that era were definitely destroyed in the Great Wars, and it was this event that St.John is referring to.

[The_Fire]

For the growing Record, below is another small section from the Filed Claim Document that will be cited in court as meeting and fulfilling the Accepted Challenge Criteria, in my particluar case.

Also, for the Record, as a Confirmed prophet of The Lord, not only do i include the Claim material below for public viewing now, it is hereby IRREVOCABLY stated for the Record, that the below snippet is NOT an "interpretation" open to ridicule and conjecture, it is a CONFIRMED PROPHETIC TRANSLATION REVELATION, of a piece of Powerful Recent History, Prophesied around AD 96 and mostly fulfilled during the 20th Century.

In fact, the main foundation of this entire Treatise Reveals that vast amounts of hitherto, unexplainable Prophetic Writings in the Old and New Testament, Saw their Major Fulfillment DURING The Twentieth Century.

Now, in the 21st Century, the focus is becoming SHARPER - Amen


Revelation, Chapter 8, Vs.7, 8 & 9

7. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of the trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

8. And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of sea became blood;

9. And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Since this Treatise deals with Prophecies that have been recently fulfilled, we nearly always look at this century for indicators of prophetic fulfillment. Let's see what St.John is saying here. It is very important not to conclude that each process he describes actually brings about the the next result; rather, we conclude that he is chronicling a list of subjects, some related and some not, that occur within the proposed time frame.

"and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood," This first prophetic statement, covers the massive aerial bombing campaigns of all recent. modern wars. The hail is the rain of bombs dropping on people, hence the "fire, mingled with blood", "and they were cast upon the earth". The hail is the bombs and the cast is the dropping of the bombs. (plus also the bombs were "cast" upon the earth, using an alternative definition of "cast" as in moulded from metal: This is the prophetic beauty of the English language and its many intricate meanings)

Now look at these words: "and the third part of trees was burnt up". This century has experienced the worst non stop cases of global deforestation ever witnessed in the history of mankind. Most of these trees were burnt up, although "burnt up" can also be understood as a metaphor for the general destruction of trees, by cutting down, etc. It may well be that nearly a third of the world's trees have already been destroyed, but who can count them? The Lord of course - and we therefore conclude that nearly a third have been destroyed, for one reason or another, hence this prophetic section being all but fulfilled.

"and all green grass was burnt up". Well, it is clear that all green grass has not been burnt up, and, hopefully, never will be. When we come across an anomaly like this we must look deeper for the meaning. Since, in the first section of the prophecy "hail, fire blood", are clearly a reference to bombing campaigns, we have war as an introductory theme. In the esoteric world of prophetic wording, it is not uncommon for certain words to be used as similes and metaphors. We contend that "green" here means young, fresh, new, naive, ignorant, even innocent to some extent.

We further reveal, as is not uncommon in scripture, that "grass" refers to people. Hence we have a certain kind of ignorant, young group of people being burnt up.

Our Revelation in this context is simply that St.John refers to all the soldiers that were killed in so many wars gone by, although it was a certain kind of soldier "green" that died, hence, all of them, in that "green" category were destined for death, by virtue of this Prophecy; this brings us to a more spiritual point that perhaps, a large number of "green" souls have been sent to earth specially to die in wars. A metaphysical viewpoint to explain how so many millions of young men and women, unquestioning in their choices, just went straight to their deaths in battle for Freedom. Almost as if they were brainwashed and ignored the fact they were going to die. This understanding would fully translate the use of the word "green grass" and we therefore reveal this as what is actually meant in this section of the Prophecy.

Alternatively, this translation, in the face of no other plausible alternative, is, by virtue of itself, a prophecy in its own right!

"And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea:" As stated at the beginning of this Treatise, this author feels a certain authority in exposing the hidden meanings of certain prophecies, based on numerous past experiences, with "visions and dreams coming to pass already". In this regard, as the reader can discover in Author's Personal Testimonies, this author is what the secular world would describe as a natural clairvoyant, or psychic, with the gifts of divination and prophecy emerging at an early age. NB : However, due to the fact that most clairvoyants and psychics are antichrist, this "definition" of this author's gift is refuted, as this author Loves and Serves The Lord JESUS Christ, annulling the secular definition ENTIRELY.

Now, because of the time frame we study in, (late 1990s), the author has the benefit of modern pictorial technology to refer to, plus a very rich recent litany of events in modern history to draw from as references.

When looking at St.John's wording at the start of this paragraph, only one event appears in sharp focus: The American underwater nuclear explosion test in the south pacific around Bikini Atoll, when that literal "mountain" of water exploded and was photographed and replayed thousands of times since the early fifties. It is this that St.John also "saw". The great mountain being the nuclear bomb, burning with fire in the sea, casting high into the air "craggy peaks" of exploding white water. This image is crystal clear to this author!

http://www.CONSTELLATION7.ORG/SeaMountains/SeaMountain.jpg

"and the third part of the sea became blood". In understanding what is meant here, we turn to another famous 20th century phenomena, that of "oil slicks" and oil pollution in general.

When Saddam Hussein turned on the oil taps from Kuwait into the Persian Gulf, and the oil lapped at the beaches of that area, it became clear what St.John was seeing. The thick oil on water looks like blood. When blood has been released and congeals it turns almost black, not bright red. A perfect description of oil slicks that have plagued our seas worldwide ever since we first started drawing the oil from the earth. Additionally, the marine phenomena known as "red tides", also only recently understood, further fulfills this Prophecy and again pinpoints our current time frame!

"and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died;" This reference is very clear when we look at the near extinction of some species of whales and dolphins, and is made all the more obvious when that understanding is correlated to the massive overfishing mankind has exercised this century and last century. Again, no one but the Lord has counted all the creatures in the sea, but we Reveal that a good third have been destroyed by whaling and fishing industries. Just recently, the cod disappeared from the North West Atlantic. They used to visit the coasts of Canada in that region in such abundance, the ships came back daily weighed down with colossal catches; then, early in the 1990s, they literally vanished, causing the collapse of local towns and villages, that were supported by that fishing industry, so much so, that all fishing in that region has been banned for at least 10 years to try and stimulate the recovery of the once abundant shoals. A very clear fulfillment of prophecy indeed. Japanese drift net fishing is but one of many other examples of this Prophecy undergoing fulfillment.

"and the third part of the ships were destroyed"; Now, since we are always building and launching ships, this is a difficult prophecy to assess, therefore, we look back at the original theme of WW1 & WW2, and that particular period of modern history. It is clear that massive destruction of ships was a large feature of these wars, and, again, we reveal that certainly, at its peak, a third of the total number of ships (including submarines) in that era were definitely destroyed in the Great Wars, and it was this event that St.John is referring to.

Still not evidence of a paranormal event. My prediction? You'll get laughed out of court.

[KelvinG]

Wow, ten pages in this thread, and all because of one hopelessly deluded, mentally unstable troll.

One can't help but think there are worthy threads out there getting ignored and falling off the front page, while this one draws so much attention.

But, here I am, falling for it as well!

[The_Fire]

KelvinG, you forgot;

"Wow, ten pages in this thread, and all because of one hopelessly deluded, mentally unstable troll whom needs to get laid."

Itallics mine.

[Beady]

Still not evidence of a paranormal event. My prediction? You'll get laughed out of court.


Is it really necessary to quote pages of garbage in their entirety, merely to add a single-line retort ? There was a time when such behavior was regarded as bad netiquette.

[Hawk one]

She gets rid of the colours for us, Beady, although the last post was one of the milder ones in that regard.

[milesalpha]

To quote another favorite English film of mine "He's makin' it up as he goes along!".

The cod did not disappear, they were overfished into "threatened" status, as was tracked for several decades. All fishing is not, and never has been banned. Only cod fishing and the taking of porpoises are restricted on the Grand Banks, and the only complete ban is on recreational cod fishing, not commercial. The greatest problem continues to be overfishing in areas beyond Canada's control. "Lord dyin' jesus by, don't mess with a maritimer!"

Then again, as people have so frequently pointed out to you, none of this is prophecy. This is taking an event and then going hunting for some verse that fits it, putting the chicken before the egg (you see lad, you have to say it BEFORE the event to be prophetic, similar to a premonotion, it doesn't work well after the fact). The Nostradamus true believers do the exact same thing, with about the exact same accuracy, none.

I'll say this, this prophecy is worth just as much as the Hitler one. Another 4 or 5 million like these and you'll have a good dollar's worth.

[milesalpha]

To get Monty Python's or Mr. Bean's humour it seems helpful to possess a bunch of british/anglo-saxon genes, let's say, at least three pounds.

I like Monty Python's originality and their sense for hiding pearls of wisdom under piles of absurdity. But I find their work not asthetically pleasing enough - nevertheless I assume it's not meant to be.

Perhaps I was raised with different influences. More Lö-Bräu. (If you can tell me where I took that last reference from, you da man.)

Sorry I don't recognize it. I am something of a fan of good low brow humour though. My favorite of all time in that genre is "The Kentucky Fried Movie", the first film by the guys who later did Airplane and the Naked Gun. Incredibly un-PC, tasteless, crass and the only movie to ever knock me out of a theater seat laughing. I actually had to leave the theater doubled over because I had been laughing so hard for 90 minutes.

[William Smith]

Sorry I don't recognize it. I am something of a fan of good low brow humour though. My favorite of all time in that genre is "The Kentucky Fried Movie", the first film by the guys who later did Airplane and the Naked Gun. Incredibly un-PC, tasteless, crass and the only movie to ever knock me out of a theater seat laughing. I actually had to leave the theater doubled over because I had been laughing so hard for 90 minutes.

Agreed. "The Kentucky Fried Movie" rules. But what does "doubled over" mean?

You will find "Lö-Bräu" on a beer bottle in the episode "The Route Of All Evil" from the short-lived show "Futurama".
Leela, Fry & Bender want to buy some beer in a store but instead decide to brew their own. "Lö-Bräu" is one of the brands available in the store. (Ok, I am a geek.)

[Odin]

I have a serious question for prophet Elijah777,

If verses of the bible contain prophecies of future events, does that mean these verses are not also to be taken literally?

[prewitt81]

"and all green grass was burnt up". Well, it is clear that all green grass has not been burnt up, and, hopefully, never will be. When we come across an anomaly like this we must look deeper for the meaning.

I love it! When the bible's right, it's right, and when it's wrong, it's still right, we just need to look deeper.

[Elijah777]

I have a serious question for prophet Elijah777,

If verses of the bible contain prophecies of future events, does that mean these verses are not also to be taken literally?

Hi Odin - thank you - for a change a sensible and relevant question with some depth and honour instead of being defaming..

Also, PLEASE note for the record that this post was Odin's having reached the number 777 - as stated before, there are NO coincidences.

It IS a difficult question.

First off, The Bible DOES contain Prophecies of future events, the word "if" is not even a factor for consideration.

Having personally experienced accurate dreams and visions and multiple so called "de ja vus" off the Richter Scale of probability, since 1974, all i can say is this:-

Prophet in Hebrew translates as Poet by some definitions.

The Original language of all the earth BEFORE The Tower of Babel WAS Hebrew.

This language passed on through Babel to the family group of Abram - later to be renamed Abraham.

Therefore the word "poet" has relevance.

Do we take Bible Prophecies LITERALLY...

First, what is LITERAL ?

For example, The Prophecies of The Lord JESUS Christ were both direct and literal AND some Deeper Ones were "hidden" within the body of the text in Psalms (for example)...

A very good LITERAL One is now cited for an example :-

Mark 13
1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

TRANSLATION : In AD 70, 33.5 years AFTER The Lord Ascended, there was a Jewish revolt against the Roman occupation of Jerusalem. It erupted with such severity that, during the course of suppressing it, the Roman soldiers DESTROYED the very Temple referred to above in Mark 13 : 1

In fact, it was SO severe in Destruction that the Romans prised apart every stone and threw them down into the valley nearby.

All that remains to this day is "The Wailing Wall"

To get an idea of the size of the Temple that was destroyed take a look at the two pics of the Wailing Wall :-

1) http://hitch.south.cx/Jerusalem%20-%20Wailing%20Wall%201%20-%201925.JPG

2) http://www.levitt.com/slideshow/s01p05.jpg

So we can see the LITERAL fulfillment of One Prophecy from JESUS.

Now take a look how Daniel dealt with the EXACT SAME historical event, in the non-literal poetic context. Written around 538 years before JESUS was "Born Again"...

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

So, here, we have Prophetic Timing - and this takes revelation to translate as follows :

One Translation as follows : The Roman Catholics sought to confirm the date of the Birth of Christ around 525 AD...to do so, they examined Roman history records and finally confirmed the date, this was done by Dionysius Exiguus.

However, later examination discovered that Dionysius Exiguus was off by 4 years because of an error. Hence the real date of the Birth of Christ is 4 BC.

This error has never been corrected, hence the incorrect date - even to this very day, based on the chronology from the Birth of Christ (There may be another 10 years missing in the calendar also).

However, JESUS was 12 years old when His EXCEPTIONAL Wisdom was finally made public, and the age of 12 is a special time also - beginning of adult male maturity.

Luke 2
40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

Why all this detail herein?

Back to Daniel : (this is NOT the only Translation and Observation, but IS relevant to the actual DATE of the destruction of the Temple)

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off"

Taking only the number 62 (threescore and two) and adding to the age of the first recorded statement of Christ at 12 years old (IN THE TEMPLE), we arrive at the number 74 - LESS the missing 4 years, we come to AD 70.

There is another, far deeper and much grander Translation of Daniel's "Time Frame".

It is universally agreed that The LORD God (The Holy Father of JESUS) STOPPED Speaking to the Jewish people in the days of Malachi - the last Old Testament Prophet, 400 BC.

A more precise date being 396 BC :- so, using the above Prophecy from Daniel, we take 62 weeks and turn that into years by multiplying by 7.

Then we get a more Relevant Daniel Date of 434 years. (Daniel's Visions ARE to the end of Time).

Add 434 years to the Time that God STOPPED Speaking to the Jewish people, and we arrive at the exact Year of The Crucifixion of Christ.

Hence a Second Depth to this Prophecy :- "shall Messiah be cut off"

The people of the prince that shall come - WERE The Roman soldiers, and this prince was INDEED Titus

Read the history of this event here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Jerusalem

CONCLUSION :-

Biblical Prophecy can be both literal and DEEP - requiring Translation in the Light of Proven History.

(In fact there a multiple layers and depths to The Word of God : Here are SEVEN Levels : Personally Convicting, Historical, Revelationary, Educational, Prophetic, Commanding, Poetic - ALL under The Keyword of TRUTH..and this is The Holy Gospel - The Perfect Truth of God - Amen)

Who can do such Translation? - This is The Choice of God in those He Anoints with "Gifting"..there have been and still are MANY...

How can we determine who has such Gifting?

Deuteronomy 13
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

On a personal note, i can truly confess to NOT being infallible; nevertheless, that which i KNOW i do indeed Know - God is a Spirit in Seven.

Did i SEEK to have this gift? NO..it was "bestowed" for The Grand Purpose of The LORD of ALL.

The first written prophecy (for me) was in 1974 and came in the form of a piece of poetry. The main theme of the poem became an historical event of some magnitude about 6 weeks LATER...

Needless to say, at the tender age of 18 this was a MAJOR EVENT and indeed changed the entire course and direction of my own life...

So much so, it was DIRECTLY responsible for me being here now typing in this forum of "critique".

Why do i bother?

Out of Love and Revelation...Hoping that some reading herein "May See The Light" and renounce their sin and falsehood and GET SAVED...

As this IS The Final Commandment of Christ Who is GOD for all of us down here...The Final Judge....

The Son INHERITED ALL POWER and AUTHORITY from The Father...

Hope you understand.

Also, for the Danish lady - Just because you are not a Christian, DOES NOT mean that the Admonitions of The Full Gospel DO NOT apply to YOU...

They APPLY TO EVERY PERSON ON EARTH..regardless of their personal belief systems and current doctrinal affiliations.

You can SAY "i don't believe a Word of any of this."

The Truth is this, "Your DISBELIEF, makes not ONE IOTA of difference to the Reality of The Full Truth of The Gospel regarding the FUTURE OF YOUR SOUL !!"

God cannot LIE....nor do i...and JESUS Revealed The FULL TRUTH for everyone.

The best advice i can give you is this : "BELIEVE IN HIM and BELIEVE HIM and All will Change in your own life, after you Repent"....that's it....

NB : My use of capital letters, font sizes and colours are merely for EMPHASIS - i am NOT shouting..sorry if anyone thought that i was - this was a wrong perception.

Romans 8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

[Admiral]

Kilik, is that you?

[milesalpha]

Agreed. "The Kentucky Fried Movie" rules. But what does "doubled over" mean?

You will find "Lö-Bräu" on a beer bottle in the episode "The Route Of All Evil" from the short-lived show "Futurama".
Leela, Fry & Bender want to buy some beer in a store but instead decide to brew their own. "Lö-Bräu" is one of the brands available in the store. (Ok, I am a geek.)

It means I could not walk erect, I had to stay bent over because my abdomen hurt so much from laughing. The skit with the newsman watching the couple on the couch at the end just about killed me. Among my other twisted pleasures...
Flesh Gordon
Can I Do It Till I Need Glasses (some guy named Robin Williams' first movie)(and its sister, If You Don't Stop It You'll Go Blind)
Fritz the Cat
Tunnelvision
Playboy Party Jokes (surprisingly funny)
And lately, the Trailer Park Boys, I just don't know why. Maybe because I live so close to Halifax.

[The_Fire]

Hi Odin - thank you - for a change a sensible and relevant question with some depth and honour instead of being defaming..

Also, PLEASE note for the record that this post was Odin's having reached the number 777 - as stated before, there are NO coincidences.



Still not evidence. And no, that post count was not a coincidence. It stems from Odin having posted 776 times before.



It IS a difficult question.

First off, The Bible DOES contain Prophecies of future events, the word "if" is not even a factor for consideration.



Something which you have still failed to provide evidence for.



Having personally experienced accurate dreams and visions and multiple so called "de ja vus" off the Richter Scale of probability, since 1974, all i can say is this:-


Dejavu is merely the brains reaction to a chemical imbalance. It "hiccups". This is still not evidence.


Prophet in Hebrew translates as Poet by some definitions.

The Original language of all the earth BEFORE The Tower of Babel WAS Hebrew.


Provide evidence that the Tower of Babel ever existed. Provide that it was hebrew and not, say, ancient egyptian which were the original language.



This language passed on through Babel to the family group of Abram - later to be renamed Abraham.


Provide evidence that Abraham ever existed.


Therefore the word "poet" has relevance.



Prove this connection.



Do we take Bible Prophecies LITERALLY...



That was not was Odin asked. He asked wether or not you could take the bible literal if the bible verses were merely a cover for prophecy.



First, what is LITERAL ?



Get a dictionary.



For example, The Prophecies of The Lord JESUS Christ were both direct and literal AND some Deeper Ones were "hidden" within the body of the text in Psalms (for example)...


Either it is literal or not. You can't have both. And the biblecodes have already been debunked. I would also at this point restate: This is not evidence of a paranormal event.



A very good LITERAL One is now cited for an example :-

Mark 13
1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

TRANSLATION : In AD 70, 33.5 years AFTER The Lord Ascended, there was a Jewish revolt against the Roman occupation of Jerusalem. It erupted with such severity that, during the course of suppressing it, the Roman soldiers DESTROYED the very Temple referred to above in Mark 13 : 1



Provide evidence that the passage was not written at the time of the revolt as a coded message one christian to the other about the revolt. Provide evidence that the bible were written before the event.



In fact, it was SO severe in Destruction that the Romans prised apart every stone and threw them down into the valley nearby.


Provide evidence that the author weren't just pulling a "fishermans story" about the size of the "fish".

Provide evidence that the statement were not simply the propaganda of the time designed to incite rebellion.



All that remains to this day is "The Wailing Wall"



Which is a jewish sacred site. Not christian. Not evidence of a paranormal event.



To get an idea of the size of the Temple that was destroyed take a look at the two pics of the Wailing Wall :-

1) http://hitch.south.cx/Jerusalem%20-%20Wailing%20Wall%201%20-%201925.JPG

2) http://www.lightbeaconministries.com/images/yadvashem220026.jpg



Nice. But still not evidence of a paranormal event.


So we can see the LITERAL fulfillment of One Prophecy from JESUS.


No. All we see is the evidence of a war. Possibly incited by the christians of the time in the shape of a rebellion.


Now take a look how Daniel dealt with the EXACT SAME historical event, in the non-literal poetic context. Written around 538 years before JESUS was "Born Again"...

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.



Not evidence of a paranormal event. It's not even a good prediction of the things you claim. It's post-diction on your part.


So, here, we have Prophetic Timing - and this takes revelation to translate as follows :


No. Can you spell "coincidence"? Can you spell "Post-diction"? Can you spell "Not evidence of a paranormal event"?



One Translation as follows : The Roman Catholics sought to confirm the date of the Birth of Christ around 525 AD...to do so, they examined Roman history records and finally confirmed the date, this was done by Dionysius Exiguus.

However, later examination discovered that Dionysius Exiguus was off by 4 years because of an error. Hence the real date of the Birth of Christ is 4 BC.

This error has never been corrected, hence the incorrect date - even to this very day, based on the chronology from the Birth of Christ (There may be another 10 years missing in the calendar also).

However, JESUS was 12 years old when His EXCEPTIONAL Wisdom was finally made public, and the age of 12 is a special time also - beginning of adult male maturity.


Which the authors of your little fable called the bible KNEW. Not evidence of anything except they knew the laws of the times. Not evidence of a paranormal event.



Luke 2
40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?


Not evidence of a paranormal event. If anything, it can be called the evidence of an imaginative 12 year old.


Why all this detail herein?


It's called "building a fictional character".


Back to Daniel : (this is NOT the only Translation and Observation, but IS relevant to the actual DATE of the destruction of the Temple)

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off"

Taking only the number 62 (threescore and two) and adding to the age of the first recorded statement of Christ at 12 years old (IN THE TEMPLE), we arrive at the number 74 - LESS the missing 4 years, we come to AD 70.

There is another, far deeper and much grander Translation of Daniel's "Time Frame".

It is universally agreed that The LORD God (The Holy Father of JESUS) STOPPED Speaking to the Jewish people in the days of Malachi - the last Old Testament Prophet, 400 BC.

A more precise date being 396 BC :- so, using the above Prophecy from Daniel, we take 62 weeks and turn that into years by multiplying by 7.

Then we get a more Relevant Daniel Date of 434 years. (Daniel's Visions ARE to the end of Time).

Add 434 years to the Time that God STOPPED Speaking to the Jewish people, and we arrive at the exact Year of The Crucifixion of Christ.

Hence a Second Depth to this Prophecy :- "shall Messiah be cut off"

The people of the prince that shall come - WERE The Roman soldiers, and this prince was INDEED Titus


Post-diction. Clap trap. Not evidence of a paranormal event.



Read the history of this event here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Jerusalem


Wikipedia is not evidence either. It have been known to be historical and scientifically incorrect before which is why some teachers I know despair when the students use it as a reference point.



CONCLUSION :-

Biblical Prophecy can be both literal and DEEP - requiring Translation in the Light of Proven History.


Conclusion: You still haven't provided evidence of a paranormal event nor have you fulfilled even the most rudementary demands of the JREF challenge. You have also spend a lot of unnessesary words on answering Odins question.



(In fact there a multiple layers and depths to The Word of God : Here are SEVEN Levels : Personally Convicting, Historical, Revelationary, Educational, Prophetic, Commanding, Poetic - ALL under The Keyword of TRUTH..and this is The Holy Gospel - The Perfect Truth of God - Amen)


According to whom? Where are your evidence that the bible is not
a: Fantasy?
b: A lie inspired by your own Devil?
c: Written by intervention of your God?
d: Not an account of events happening at the time of the authors?


Who can do such Translation? - This is The Choice of God in those He Anoints with "Gifting"..there have been and still are MANY...


Riiight....Have you been taking your meds lately? Usually when people hear voices they are in need of a brain-reset.



How can we determine who has such Gifting?

Deuteronomy 13
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.



Not evidence of a paranormal event. Could also be an explanation of mental illness. It would not be the first or last time that the local village looney were taken as a "holy" (wo)man or possed by spirits either because they were insane or high on something.



On a personal note, i can truly confess to NOT being infallible; nevertheless, that which i KNOW i do indeed Know - God is a Spirit in Seven.


So where are your evidence that you are right?


Did i SEEK to have this gift? NO..it was "bestowed" for The Grand Purpose of The LORD of ALL.


Meds are a nice thing. you should try them.



The first written prophecy (for me) was in 1974 and came in the form of a piece of poetry. The main theme of the poem became an historical event of some magnitude about 6 weeks LATER...


Not evidence of a paranormal event. Post-diction.



Needless to say, at the tender age of 18 this was a MAJOR EVENT and indeed changed the entire course and direction of my own life...


Go se a doc. Preferably a mental health professional.



So much so, it was DIRECTLY responsible for me being here now typing in this forum of "critique".


Oh wow, it only took you, what? 32 years to get here? And if you are THAT good, then how come noone's heard of you? The Vatican would be crawling all over you by now.



Why do i bother?

Out of Love and Revelation...Hoping that some reading herein "May See The Light" and renounce their sin and falsehood and GET SAVED...

As this IS The Final Commandment of Christ Who is GOD for all of us down here...The Final Judge....

The Son INHERITED ALL POWER and AUTHORITY from The Father...


Yeah right. So far you've used your BullyGods threats of eternal torment etc. and displayed enough arrogance and pride to reach the moon.
Next thing you are going to say that you ARE the second coming of your christ.



Hope you understand.



I understand allright: I understand you need to get on some meds and start living outside your own head.




Also, for the Danish lady - Just because you are not a Christian, DOES NOT mean that the Admonitions of The Full Gospel DO NOT apply to YOU...


Yes it does. Your pantheon have no claim on my soul.


They APPLY TO EVERY PERSON ON EARTH..regardless of their personal belief systems and current doctrinal affiliations.


Wrong. Ever heard of the "Other people"? The ones which apparently existed the same time as this "Eden" you are so proud of? I'm one of them.



You can SAY "i don't believe a Word of any of this."

The Truth is this, "Your DISBELIEF, makes not ONE IOTA of difference to the Reality of The Full Truth of The Gospel regarding the FUTURE OF YOUR SOUL !!"


Evidence?



God cannot LIE....nor do i...and JESUS Revealed The FULL TRUTH for everyone.



Wrong. Your God can very well lie. After all, he can just prevent evidence of the contrary to surface, can't he?



The best advice i can give you is this : "BELIEVE IN HIM and BELIEVE HIM and All will Change in your own life, after you Repent"....that's it....


Advice not wanted and rejected. Evidence supporting the existance of your God would have been nicer.


NB : My use of capital letters, font sizes and colours are merely for EMPHASIS - i am NOT shouting..sorry if anyone thought that i was - this was a wrong perception.


Yes you are. It's called "NEttiquette" (BTW: Beady, sorry about that thing with the post. It's an automatic reaction I've got when dealing with this moron.).


Romans 8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Good. I don't live to pleasure your God. I think I already said I don't do BJ's on foreign Deities and PEople. This include other sex-things as well. Particulary not when the Deity in question is a known pervert, bully, warcriminal and all-around-liar.

[timokay]

On a personal note, i can truly confess to NOT being infallible; nevertheless, that which i KNOW i do indeed Know - God is a Spirit in Seven.

Did i SEEK to have this gift? NO..it was "bestowed" for The Grand Purpose of The LORD of ALL.

So.... you are not NOT fallible, or is it that you are NOT IN-fallible? Or are you able to NOT FAIL? Or NOT-NOT FAIL?
I am confunfused. Or, that is, I am NOT un-fused.

OH WAIT! You are IN-Genius!

[Elijah777]

Still not evidence. And no, that post count was not a coincidence. It stems from Odin having posted 776 times before.

Wikipedia is not evidence either.

Provide evidence that the Tower of Babel ever existed. Provide that it was hebrew and not, say, ancient egyptian which were the original language.

Provide evidence that Abraham ever existed.



Evidence, evidence, my kingdom for some EVIDENCE, she cries...

Considering this carefully, in the light of your last comments, perhaps the person who might consider some medication is indeed yourself.

History IS Evidence.

The Writings of The Holy Bible ARE Evidence.

The problem you are having stems NOT from the lack of Supply of Evidence.

It centres ENTIRELY around one thing only - DISBELIEF..

You just don't BELIEVE The Evidence...

Yours (and others) DISBELIEF has no effect on the EVIDENCE...

The Evidence remains...

NB : Incontrovertible "Evidence" will be posted when the Prophetic Second has Ticked..It WAS Supplied in 2004 AFTER the First level of The Claim was rejected...It is ready to be Viewed in this Forum....

Hold your breath....

Hopefully, one day, your DISBELIEF will be the thing that vanishes...

"In Fact we are Praying for that day soon In The Mighty and Holy Name of The Lord JESUS Christ unto The Father, God, the Creator of your very existence....."

Don't waste this life given unto you - PLEASE...

Amen

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,
the evidence of things not seen.

[steenkh]

Kilik, is that you?
Can't be. There has been no mention of Atlantis yet!

[steenkh]

[QUOTE=Elijah777;1653020]
[B][COLOR="Red"]History IS Evidence.
No problem with that.

The Writings of The Holy Bible ARE Evidence.
Of what???? There have not been a single prediction in what you have presented until now. Only postdictions that anybody could have made up from Monty Python quotes.

Show us a prediction, and come back when it has been fulfilled. The we will take you seriously.

[Just Me]

5 points to the person willing to track down the web page these prophecies were copied and pasted from.
I'm willing to track it down, if the money is right. Do I get 5 points?

[Elijah777]

For the record..my Christian lawyer CONFIRMS :-

Cannot prosecute Randi in our local jurisdiction. Case MUST be filed in FLORIDA...

Okay - so be it...

C h e c k i n g >>>>>>>


BTW : What is this POST-DICTION thing anyway...

Post means AFTER, in this Case AFTER THE EVENT in History.

Diction is the written or verbal details.

So, of COURSE we need postdiction...

How else can a Fulfilled Prophecy be EXPLAINED and TRANSLATED and DETAILED???

Wakey wakey - POSTDICTION is the Name of This Game...

The flippant use of postdiction IS hereby officially REJECTED as grounds for Rejection and Skeptism.

Without POSTDICTION the Agreed Criteria for this particular "Paranormal Claim" is IMPOSSIBLE to satisfy....

Also a Ground for winning in Court LEGALLY...

i now LOVE the word PostDiction - Amen

EXCELLENT....

Time and Space Collide in NOW...

Amen

Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

[The_Fire]

Evidence, evidence, my kingdom for some EVIDENCE, she cries...

Which you have failed to provide. You don't have any.


Considering this carefully, in the light of your last comments, perhaps the person who might consider some medication is indeed yourself.

awww...Did I hit a nerve?



History IS Evidence.


History can also be documented. The existance of your God can't.


The Writings of The Holy Bible ARE Evidence.

No. The "holy" bible of yours is merely words. History tends to leave behind more. Such as dead bodies, archaeological evidence etc. Things which can actually be tested.



The problem you are having stems NOT from the lack of Supply of Evidence.

But it's not really my problem, is it? It's yours. You are making a claim, not me. And without supporting evidence, a claim is merely a brainfart.


It centres ENTIRELY around one thing only - DISBELIEF..

....In your evidenceless claim.



You just don't BELIEVE The Evidence...

Because you haven't presented any.



Yours (and others) DISBELIEF has no effect on the EVIDENCE...

IF such existed, then I would not disbelief it. You have, however, NOTpresented any evidence.



The Evidence remains...

In your mind perhaps. You have certainly NOT provided any here.



NB : Incontrovertible "Evidence" will be posted when the Prophetic Second has Ticked..It WAS Supplied in 2004 AFTER the First level of The Claim was rejected...It is ready to be Viewed in this Forum....


And here lies the crux of YOUR problem; Your Claim were rejected as it did not provide any evidence of it's validity. And if your evidence are ready to be posted, why haven't you done so yet?


Hold your breath....

No.



Hopefully, one day, your DISBELIEF will be the thing that vanishes...


Right.......Where are your evidence?



"In Fact we are Praying for that day soon In The Mighty and Holy Name of The Lord JESUS Christ unto The Father, God, the Creator of your very existence....."

And I'm asking the Lady for you to get some common sense.



Don't waste this life given unto you - PLEASE...

I'm not. But it's looking like you are.


Amen

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for,
the evidence of things not seen.

Good that I have faith then. In MY Deities. Not yours.


ETA: ****** codes....

[The_Fire]

For the record..my Christian lawyer CONFIRMS :-

Cannot prosecute Randi in our local jurisdiction. Case MUST be filed in FLORIDA...


Then have your lawyer post a claim though the american system. That IS possible AFAIK.
Or could it be that your Lawyer saw the futility of your claim and doesn't want to be associated with it?



Okay - so be it...

C h e c k i n g >>>>>>>


BTW : What is this POST-DICTION thing anyway...

Post means AFTER, in this Case AFTER THE EVENT in History.
Diction is the written or verbal details.

So, of COURSE we need postdiction...


Wrong. Post-Diction: To warp the written word to make up a claim of making a prediction AFTER the fact alledgedly predicted.



How else can a Fulfilled Prophecy be EXPLAINED and TRANSLATED and DETAILED???


That does not a paranormal event make.



Wakey wakey - POSTDICTION is the Name of This Game...



No wonder your claim were rejected.



The flippant use of postdiction IS hereby officially REJECTED as grounds for Rejection and Skeptism.


By you. Too bad the rest of society doesn't play by your rules. The rest of society seems to want a little something called "Evidence of a paranormal Event".



Without POSTDICTION the Agreed Criteria for this particular "Paranormal Claim" is IMPOSSIBLE to satisfy....


Wrong. Make a PRE-diction AHEAD of an event. File it BEFORE the event. IF it happens as YOU predicted, then it would be....brace yourself....a paranormal event.



Also a Ground for winning in Court LEGALLY...

i now LOVE the word PostDiction - Amen



Another reason why you will be laughed out of court.



EXCELLENT....

Time and Space Collide in NOW...



Then I would be carefull not getting in the way. Time/Space-eddies are nasty little things.


Amen

Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.


Still not evidence of a paranormal event.

[The_Fire]

I'm willing to track it down, if the money is right. Do I get 5 points?
You get 5 points from me as well.

[The_Fire]

Can't be. There has been no mention of Atlantis yet!

If this were about Homeopathy, I could swear it was the Mas-collective.

[Mojo]

Hi Odin - thank you - for a change a sensible and relevant question with some depth and honour instead of being defaming..

Also, PLEASE note for the record that this post was Odin's having reached the number 777 - as stated before, there are NO coincidences.Actually, it wasn't the post with which Odin reached number 777. As of now, Odin has posted 777 times, and has made ten further posts since that one. So it was in fact Odin's post number 767. Don't despair, though; I'm sure you'll be able to retrofit something to that as well.

Meanwhile, would you care to address this post of Odin's, his post number 777 and thus clearly addressed to you if, as you claim, "there are NO coincidences": I would hate to be the one who kills this thread.

[Mojo]

Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;[/B]Here's your problem: your "predicitons" are not of things that will "shortly come to pass"; they are consistently of things that have already come to pass.

[steenkh]

If this were about Homeopathy, I could swear it was the Mas-collective.
I see that you only joined half a year ago, so you would not know 1inChrist unless you have a history of lurking: If he fits anybody, it is 1inChrist! However, he is more liberal with colours than 1inC, and he uses more bible quotes, although that could be linked to his "claim".

But I am willing to believe that there are more loonies out there than just one, so I guess that this one is not a sock.

[The_Fire]

I see that you only joined half a year ago, so you would not know 1inChrist unless you have a history of lurking: If he fits anybody, it is 1inChrist! However, he is more liberal with colours than 1inC, and he uses more bible quotes, although that could be linked to his "claim".

But I am willing to believe that there are more loonies out there than just one, so I guess that this one is not a sock.

Now you've done it! I went and checked 1inC's threads. Just the titles alone....I can't help to think that people like him/it and Elijah is the posterchildren of what happens if you drop a baby on it's head......

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Well, I know that there is no hope Elijah will listen to any reason, but just for humor's sake, I will re-post the very clear prediction that Bananarama wrote of the September 11th attacks. Unlike Elijah's interpretations, I don't even have to stretch the words very much.

See, Elijah, I will bet you that I can take numerous crappy pop songs and pull predictions out of them and they will sound far better than yours. Would you explain to me how your Biblical POSTdicitions are different than Bananarama's? Other than, you know, the fact that I don't use a thousand really annoying colors.

Hot summer streets
And the pavements are burning
Obviously referring to the WTC and Pentagon being on fire. The pavement literally was burning in many places.

I sit around
Trying to smile but
The air is so heavy and dry
The air is heavy from the gigantic cloud of dust and debris that was kicked up after the towers collapsed. A very accurate description.

Strange voices are saying
Things I can't understand
Obviously referring to the terrorists, who spoke Arabic, which the writer, an English speaker, could not understand. This was a vision of them taking over the planes while speaking their native tongue

It's too close for comfort
This heat has got
Right out of hand
"Too close for comfort" refers to the fact that this would be the first major attack on U.S. soil since Pearl Harbor. It speaks to the notion that Americans previously felt invulnerable to world events. The 9-11 attacks were definitely "too close for comfort."


It's a cruel, cruel summer
Leaving me here on my own
It's a cruel, cruel summer
Now you're gone
Very accurate, as the summer of 2001 was indeed a very cruel summer. The "you're gone" clearly refers to the World Trade Center, which is now gone forever due to the terrorist attacks.

The city is crowded
My friends are away
Away, in this case, obviously means "passed away," or dead, referring to the 3000 friends and loved ones who passed "away" on 9-11.

And I'm on my own
It's too hot to handle
So I got to get up and go
Terrorism became "too hot to handle," so the U.S. military had to "get up and go" to Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and attempt to catch Osama bin Laden.


I hope Randi will consider sending the million dollars to Bananarama. As I clearly illustrated, their predictions were dead on. Much more accurate than Jesus's.

That's it, I'm founding a religion.

[Curnir]

I hope Randi will consider sending the million dollars to Bananarama. As I clearly illustrated, their predictions were dead on. Much more accurate than Jesus's.

That's it, I'm founding a religion.

Lets found one together.

Which sounds better

First church of Tom Clancy and Bananarama

or

Banana-Clancyism

?

[Mojo]

I hope Randi will consider sending the million dollars to Bananarama. As I clearly illustrated, their predictions were dead on. Much more accurate than Jesus's.

That's it, I'm founding a religion.Found your own religion and you may not need Randi's million. As L. Ron said...

[Darat]

Thread closed until I have gone through it and removed the non-challenge related posts. It will be reopened.

[tim]

Um...there's no such thing as spells?

I think I might correct you here and say there are no such things as working spells........... IMHO.