I Won The Challenge And Randi Refused To Pay

[Elijah777]

A couple of years back, i was accepted for the Challenge and duly complied according to the terms, namely, to REVEAL one Prophecy from The Holy Bible.

A multitude of Holy Bible Prophecies, fulfilled over the past 350 years were revealed - ACCURATELY...

They rejected the Winning Claim saying it was just interpretation. (So stage two and three of the Challenge was duly issued and Fulfilled - Real Time Prophecies, and they were fulfilled by The LORD God entirely - STILL Randi REFUSES to pay - BLINDED BY LIES AND DECEIT - He is THE REAL CHARLATAN)

Well, BEHOLD, for The Record, here are just THREE Revelations below the line that were rejected.

CONCLUSION : They will NEVER pay anyone a red cent - The Challenge itself is A FRAUD...

My track record stretches back to 1974, when the first accurate Vision of a Future event came to pass 6 weeks after writing it. Hundreds of dreams and waking visions have since been fulfilled and multiple prophetic writings.

i LIE NOT !!!

i seriously DOUBT there that there be anyone in this organisation that Believes in The Lord JESUS CHRIST and His Holy Father and The Holy Ghost - God The Holy Spirit, Creator of ALL THINGS, and Divine Author of The Holy Bible of 1770 AD in Elizabethan English.

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Firstly, please remember that with any study of Prophecy, we look first for the indication that the subject described will be in the future. In this case the key words are "shall be".

1) Will begin with Adolph Hitler.

Please look very carefully at DANIEL Ch.8 vs:23-27:
23. "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall stand up.
24. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his
hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall
destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes but he shall be broken without hand.
26. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
27. And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it."

Written by Daniel around 553 BC, this prophecy was fulfilled in its entirety from around 1938-1945, by none other than Adolph Hitler. How do we know this; please look carefully at the prophecy.

The introduction, "in the latter time of their kingdom," bears careful study: the kingdom referred to is that of global Christianity, (revealed in the preceding verses) where, amongst the Christian populations of Europe, were many Jews and errant people of non-Christian inclination; these people then, (as now even) were "transgressors" and the kingdom is in the "latter time", at the peak of its glory, with "transgressors" [sinners & suchlike] in full activity ["come to the full"].

We had just been through one devastating World War, yet still they had not learnt and continued to "transgress".

At this key point in His-story, "a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall stand up". We think that no one can deny that the face of Hitler, recorded for all time on film, certainly betrays a man of "fierce countenance". His look and manner can only be described as "fierce". He "stood up" to take control of Germany, and this phrase "shall stand up", covers many aspects, but none more plain and obvious as the "worship" he invoked from his fellow countrymen and military personnel, when they stood up and saluted him with the infamous "Heil Hitler". When the right arm was fully and upwardly outstretched in this powerful salute, we can see a deeper inference in the words "shall stand up". made all the more sinister by the German style of marching, "goose stepping". This overall image is invoked clearly by Daniel.

Now, Daniel says "and understanding dark sentences". No one in His-story could have understood "dark sentences" more plainly than Hitler. His "orders" were to the effect of "bomb Warsaw", "invade France," attack Britain" "conquer Russia" and so on. Then we have,
"exterminate the Jews", "Gas the Jews" and all his myriad hideous orders that powered the Second World War with its attendant atrocities, is so succinctly summed up as "understanding dark sentences". The wording so far is perfect, and it gets better.

"And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power" here we have a classic reference to the mobilisation of the entire German military industrial complex to produce the vast array of weapons necessary to start World War 2, together with the unmitigated support of the German civilian population, by way of industry and military conscription. His weapons of war pounded Europe into rubble, his power was mighty. However, a deeper inference exists "but not by his own power", put simply, one human being could not have been capable of the atrocities he perpetrated, so, we believe, Hitler received his power from Satan, the Devil, which would account for the destruction of God's chosen people, the Jews and the sheer enormity of the war crimes he spawned. Hitler, in league with Lucifer, nearly succeeded, and rumour even has it that Hitler was in possession of the actual lance that pierced the side of Jesus during the crucifixion; if this was correct we certainly have a reference to Satanic support, made all the more obvious by the reversed Buddhist religious symbol, The Swastika that appeared everywhere Hitler's Germany was conquering. Even the SS uniforms looked Satanic, and all their actions most certainly were.

"And he shall destroy wonderfully". This speaks for itself with the massive bombing and pounding of European & British cities and installations, together with the activities that he spawned with Italy & Japan and their massive destruction. He most certainly "destroyed wonderfully".

Then Daniel says he will "prosper, and practise". Well it is very clear that Germany prospered immensely during WW2; the looting of art treasures and gold wherever they went, even down to taking the gold fillings from the teeth of his Jewish victims. Also, Germany's industrial might prospered immensely in this terrible period. Wealth was in abundance for Hitler during this terrible time.

Another far deeper inference can be gleaned from Daniel's incredible Hitler prophecy: he shall "practise". Rumour has it that Hitler met with Alester Crowley, the notorious Black Magician. It is reasonably clear Hitler was practising some forms of Black Magic, again, in league with "The Devil" which would account for the term "practise". He quite literally practised the "dark arts" ["understanding dark sentences"] the results of which are clear for all to see.

Now, as if we could be in any further doubt as to who Daniel describes in the prophecy, we are told he "shall destroy the mighty and the holy people". This is clearly seen in reference to the Jewish Holocaust, where 6 million of God's chosen mighty and holy people were exterminated in so many totally horrific ways, "destroy". However, it was also many Christians, [also mighty and holy people] that were destroyed. This section of the prophecy really pinpointed Hitler and his destruction of mighty and holy people.

Daniel then says "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand". Now the key word is "craft"; whilst it obviously refers to deceit and treachery, as in the breaking of the "pact of steel" with Russia, and many other examples of treachery and "craftiness"; another far more modern connotation emerges. Aside from all the various craft of war that Hitler caused to be built, tanks, trucks, warships, submarines and suchlike, he also commissioned Porsche to build for him the Volkswagon Automobile, a "craft" that prospered immensely, right up until this present day. This policy of Hitler could not have been more clearly prophesied by Daniel, and all has come to pass.

Daniel says "he shall magnify himself in his heart". This is a classic reference to Hitler's massive marketing campaign of himself when he came to power and communicated his plans to the German people. He used lights, loudspeakers and posters everywhere he went and spoke. The early use of microphones certainly fulfilled Daniel's observation that he would "magnify himself", and of course he was deranged and deluded in his "perfect race" quest. He magnified himself in his heart", by thinking he was someone very, very special, deluded by pride and vanity. These lines are further irrefutable proof that Daniel "saw" Hitler!

Then we read "and by peace shall destroy many". Another brilliant prophetic line. Hitler believed he could bring in an era of German ruled peace throughout Europe and maybe the whole world, by enacting WW2. His long term plans for peace and perfection [as he saw it], were paradoxically introduced by the destruction of many people. [and by peace shall destroy many]. The Third Reich and the plans thereof, backfired and he destroyed many.

"he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes"; here we have the final confirmation that Hitler was an Antichrist. Prince with a capital "P" of princes with a small "p" is most certainly Jesus, King of kings, Lord of lords Prince of princes. He indiscriminately attacked Christian nations and people, Jesus is also the King of the Jews, and, artfully, he even employed the Catholic Church. He stood up against the Prince of princes. Classic, he partnered up with the Pope to destroy Christians. The paradox is complete, with a certain irony involved with Catholicism.

Lastly, Daniel notices "but he shall be broken without hand". This amazing piece of wording perfectly described Hitler's death, by his own suicide. No?one killed him, "broken without hand". The circumstances of his suicide fulfil this prophecy perfectly. We are also told the vision is true, but it shall be for many days. This is perfectly true, since it happened over 2400 years after Daniel saw and wrote it, and Hitler's reign of death & war was for a long time.

This Hitler prophecy again illustrates the incredible depth of Prophecy hidden within the word structure of the KJV, such depth as cannot be ascertained from any other translation. Amen.

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2) Will NOW reveal the Chernobyl nuclear reactor melt down and the Prophecy of Nuclear Power.

Please now to Revelation, Ch.8, Vs.10 -11.

"10. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from
heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11. And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters. because they were made bitter."

In 1986, the nuclear reactor at Chernobyl nearly went into a meltdown and a huge cloud of nuclear pollution was released into the atmosphere. The deaths and devastation that ensued are now public record and the event has been made famous for all time. Chernobyl took its name from bitter herbs growing in the area, and means, quite simply, "Wormwood". This first understanding is, prophetically speaking, a "direct hit", but let's study the Prophecy a little more closely.

"there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp"; We REVEAL firstly that the "great star" falling from heaven, was the release of the knowledge to mankind as to exactly how to build a nuclear reactor. To call the nuclear fission a "great star" is perfectly accurate, in so far as we now know that it takes thermonuclear reactions to power the activities of light and heat in suns & stars in the first place. So. when we start up nuclear reactors, we are imitating the activity of our Sun and, by inference, a star. The heat then drives steam turbines to produce electricity; the electricity, in turn, is used, in part, to power electric lighting, "burning as it were a lamp". The classic, "as it were" indicates the subtlety of this process and corresponding prophetic translation. Then St.John tells us "it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and the fountains of waters;" This is a perfect way to describe the use of a special kind of water in nuclear reactions, known as "heavy water". Additionally, great pumps continually circulate water around the reactor to keep it cool. "fountains of waters", plus of course, the water that is used to be turned to steam to generate the electricity. So far, the prophetic wording, by translation is exactly accurate in describing succinctly, in the "old tongue" nuclear reaction processes. Then St.John tells us the name of the star "Wormwood", noting well the capital "W" a proper name. We know Chernobyl is a proper name for this reactor that drew such public attention, so, by expansion, we reveal it applies to nuclear reactors in general. Later, St.John uses the word wormwood with a small "w" to denote the radioactive "bitter" polluting effect the "leak" had on the surrounding waters, people and hinterland. The reference to many men dying because of the bitter waters is crystal clear in the case of Chernobyl, but can also, by translation, equally apply to the many people who have lost their lives due to the global nuclear industry in general. Another classic prophecy exposed and fulfilled.

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H) Will NOW show you the current status of the world's highway systems and the cars, including their speed, main mode of movement, traffic jams, headlights, and PARTICULARLY the Prophecy of "ROAD RAGE" and the nature of this Day we live in now.

Please turn to: NAHUM: Ch.2, Vs:3?4.

3. "the chariots shall be with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken. 4. The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against the other in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings."
Nahum wrote this prophecy around 713 BC.

The prophecy refers to cars, automobiles, trucks, buses and other such forms of modern road transport. These are summed up in the old tongue as "chariots". The only available word in Nahum's day to cope with this subject.

When Nahum says "the chariots shall be with flaming torches" the reference is very to the point, since all forms of modern road transport require fire, in the form of small explosions inside the engine. Without this continual "flaming torch" of internal combustion the vehicles will not move.

Also, when Nahum says "they shall seem like torches", this second reference, [and there is no need for him to repeat the same point], refers simply to the headlights and indicators and inside lighting systems of all modern automobiles of every form. The brake lights can also be included here as "seeming like torches".

Nahum's description that "The chariots shall rage in the streets", perfectly covers every day travel by automobiles in every city and town worldwide. Modern cars and suchlike do "rage in the streets", the drivers also get angry with each other very commonly, and, like "raging bulls" so many of these cars hit people and speed in short bursts from one point to another in "streets". Also, the recent, well documented phenomena of "Road Rage" clearly pinpoints this Prophecy and provides further, very compelling evidence indeed! A classic description, bearing in mind what we now know, but of course, nothing like that existed in Nahum's Old Testament days.

When Nahum says "they shall justle one against the other in the broad ways", we have an excellent description of traffic jams, and the vast, endless streams of traffic travelling down motorways & highways worldwide. "Broad ways", perfectly describes the 3,4,6 & 8 lane highways. When modern cars travel, say, in the morning & the evening, they certainly "justle one against the other", with consequences like "fender benders" and motorists nipping in and out of lanes so close to the next car.

With the very high speeds attainable by modern forms of road transport, when Nahum says "they shall run like the lightnings" these high speeds and bursts of high power acceleration are exactly described. Also, on this point of "lightnings", for the automobiles to run, they also need electricity in the form of spark plugs. Another classic fulfillment of the use of the word "lightnings" [plural]. Lightning is electricity, but "lightnings" are many bursts of electricity, exactly as needed to power the engines and the lighting systems; yet another translated reference.

Now we come to the scripture "and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken". This is further in depth evidence of the time frame. So many millions of trees were destroyed to make way for roads, streets and highways; but, furthermore, this era is one of massive deforestation generally, again giving us a further time point reference, and, of course, the trees do shake terribly when the trucks thunder past, and "terribly" also refers to the vast amount of damage done to trees by road building and this time frame in general.

Lastly, we have a very exciting reference when Nahum says it will all occur in "the day of his preparation". Since we know the Bible focuses in so many areas on the second coming of God and Jesus, and this era is the pinnacle of a massive global spread of the Church and the Great Commission, plus a day is almost always 1000 years in the life of the Lord, the modern global road and traffic systems have been built in the past 100 years or so, at the end of the 2nd day, when, of course, Jesus was preparing to rise from the dead on the third day, and we hope that He is preparing to come again a second time soon, and the world is being prepared for this. A final, but very poignant, translation of Nahum's amazing prophecy.

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Because i am NOT USA based, prosecuting Randi for Fraud and Misrepresentation is not that easy...

Truth is, i have a CASE that can be won 100% by The Full Revelation of Truth.

Still considering options on this, as the funds owed to me would be used for Global Evangelism to SAVE THE LOST from The Wrath of God to Come on Deliberate Sinners who refuse to Honour The Lord JESUS CHRIST...

This Lost World NEEDS The Lord JESUS more than ever before, and so does Randi - Amen and Amen

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[Admiral]

Wow, and I get first crack at him.

Elijah, Randi would never approve a claim that was based around interpretation. The Million Dollar Challenge firmly states that claims must be testable and verifiable, and require no judging. A little data-searching through the Bible won't win you the million.

ETA: By the way, how much time did you spend on your ultra-elaborate OP? My suggestion- it's not going to impress anyone. Go ride a bike instead.

[Hellbound]

So, I assume you can provide copies of your application, the correspondance between the JREF and yourself where the protocols were arranged, and the documentation fo the preliminary and final testing?

Or did you think that sending in an application was the same thing as taking and completing the challenge?

[Doubt]

A couple of years back, i was accepted for the Challenge and duly complied according to the terms, namely, to REVEAL one Prophecy from The Holy Bible.



Please show us the protocol that you signed. What you presented here are post-dictions and prove nothing.

[Mojo]

That's nice. Now would you care to predict something before it's happened?

By the way, there are a number of inaccuracies in your Chernobyl retrofit. For a start, radioactivity does not make water bitter, stars do not run on nuclear fission, and the reactor didn't fall from anywhere.

I haven't bothered reading the other two in detail yet.

[NiallM]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So what prophecies remain to be fulfilled? Which major events can you predict for the next sixmonths?

Do you have the completed application as accepted by JREF? WHat were the predictions that it contained? When did they occue? Do you have proof that you predicted them before they occurred?

I've no doubt whatever that JREF have any interest in your post facto interpretations of scripture. That can be done by anyone with any ancient script. It happens all teh time with Nostradamus.

So where are you on record - duly witnessed and verified by unimpeachable sources - as using the Bible to predict an event in advance of its occurrence?

You do realise, by the way, that if the buybull predicts things so accurately, it rather flies in the face of free will. This rather renders the concept of sin redundant. Indeed, it makes it ridiculous to claim that Randi has offended you if he has no choice in that metter.

Anyway, do you have an application fully completed and including some hard predictions?

[GzuzKryzt]

I would like to see where the JREF has accepted a claim of textual interpretation of a fictitious scripture.

Please post the communication between you and the JREF.

[Anti_Hypeman]

Hello MAS welcome back.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Hello MAS welcome back.

My first though was 1inChrist.

Here's my prophecy:

Several pages of Elijah777 repeating his claim ad nauseum while other posters futilely attempt to explain to him why he has no claim.

[Elijah777]

My terms were accepted OFFICIALLY - Your replies were so fast you could NOT have possibly studied the fulfilled Prophecies...

Yes - Thanks To God ONLY - i am the real deal - BUT - i don't do Egyptian Magic Tricks - BEHOLD :- The Accepted Terms of The WON Challenge (Below the line from Kramer)
Adolph Hitler and The Automobiles and Road Rage and Chernobyl ALL Qualify...

However there were also a multitude of other Recent Historical Events REVEALED in The Prophetic Revelation WON Challenge - Randi is the real Fraud !!!

BTW - Wormwood MEANS Chernobyl in Ukrainian ... do the research...

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Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

Yours,
M. KRAMER
JREF ONE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE DEPT.
email...kramer@randi.org

M. KRAMER
JREF ONE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE DEPT.
email...kramer@randi.org

[GzuzKryzt]

My terms were accepted OFFICIALLY -
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"Evidence, please."

[Curnir]

Hello Mr. Troll.

[Anti_Hypeman]

5 points to the person willing to track down the web page these prophecies were copied and pasted from.

[Ririon]

If it is a claim from KRAMER's time, it probably is in the challenge log, so it shouldn't be hard figuring out who this is or pretends to be.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

BTW - Wormwood MEANS Chernobyl in Ukrainian ... do the research..

Ah, research!

From the Wikipedia Article on Chernobyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl)
The city is named after the Ukrainian word for mugwort (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugwort) (Artemisia vulgaris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_vulgaris)), which is "chornobyl". The word is a combination of chornyi (чорний, black) and byllia (билля, grass blades or stalks); hence it literally means black grass or black stalks -- though no parts of mugwort or wormwood are black. The plants are pale green, and wormwood has a whitish tinge from a fine fuzz on the bottom of its leaves.
On occasion, Chornobyl has been translated controversially to mean simply "wormwood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_%28plant%29)" (which most commonly refers to Artemisia absinthium), with consequent apocalyptic associations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_in_the_popular_consciousness), that spread as far as Poland before Serge Schmemann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Schmemann) of the New York Times published "Chernobyl Fallout: Apocalyptic Tale", July 26, 1986. The article quoted an unnamed "prominent Russian writer" as claiming the Ukrainian word for wormwood was chernobyl.
In fact, there are over 160 kinds of Artemisia, and the terminology is not generally accepted. Some sources refer to Artemisia vulgaris as "common wormwood", while others claim that "common wormwood" is Artemisia absinthium.
Wormwood is a different (but related) plant, Artemisia absinthium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_absinthium), Полин (Polyn). "Polyn" has no English equivalent, but corresponds to the botanical genus Artemisia. Botanically, mugwort is "Common Polyn" (Ukr. Полин звичайний); while wormwood is "Bitter Polyn" (Ukr. Полин гіркий).
Still more confusion comes from the fact that the word "wormwood" is used in the English text of the Apocalypse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse), whose usage as the name of a plant does not necessarily match that of the original Greek.
Is that research good enough for you? No? I didn't think so. By all means then, continue to spout your nonsense.

[Overman]

Holy ****. I cannot believe backwards people like this are still alive. Sorry if I am crude. :flamed:

[Crossbow]

Elijah777:

I would have to say that the "powers" you describe are not paranormal, and are therefore not eligible for the JREF Prize Money.

You are simply interpreting stories in the Bible as to show how they relate to subsequent events; people have been doing that sort of thing for centuries and it has NEVER worked as a valid demonstration of paranormal powers.

[Tirdun]

DANIEL Ch.8 vs:23-27:
23. "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall stand up.
Temüjin Borjigin, 1162-1227 CE
Established the largest empire in the history of the world.
24. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
He was known to eliminate every soldier in combat, but was just as likely to offer peaceful surrender if he felt the soldiers were honorable. His rule started an empire of peace known as the Pax Mongolica that lasted centuries. The "not by his own power" refers to his delegation of authority to his generals, who expanded his empire for him.

The "holy people" refer to the invasion and conquest of the Holy lands by his grandson, Hulagu.

25. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall
destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes but he shall be broken without hand.

The Prince of Princes refers to the Tanut princess who allegedly killed him with a knife when he captured her.

Written by Daniel around 553 BC, this prophecy was fulfilled in its entirety from around 1250AD, by none other than Genghis Khan.

[ChristineR]

5 points to the person willing to track down the web page these prophecies were copied and pasted from.

Here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=49877&highlight=bible) is thy thread! No, not thy web page, merely thy challenge application thread.

[The_Fire]

*Has a flashback to drmabus*

[strathmeyer]

Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

I'm confused. It's hard to tell with all you've written? Why don't you start over, this time by explaining in one sentance what you're trying to say. Is it what Kramer has said above? If so, why don't you just tell people what the clear and unrefutable connection is? That would be the first step, so that people can tell both what you claim to be able to do, and that you can do it. Good luck!

[Nick Bogaerts]

Elijah777 musthave in his possession a document signed by Randi and himself in which they agreed to the terms.

I predict Elijah777 will never show us a scan of that document. If I looked hard enough, I could probably find this prediction in my copy of the Penguin Complete Lewis Carroll.

[LTC8K6]

Read it again, Elijah.

Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

Yours,
M. KRAMER
JREF ONE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE DEPT.
email...kramer@randi.org

EDIT: Ahhh....so the Kramer line is made up then?

[Mojo]

My terms were accepted OFFICIALLY

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Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

Yours,
M. KRAMER
JREF ONE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE DEPT.
email...kramer@randi.orgYou have not made such a connection. The Bible does not mention the rise of Hitler in clear and unrefutable terms that could not be otherwise interpreted. The Bible does not mention the explosion of the reactor at Chernobyl in clear and unrefutable terms that could not be otherwise interpreted. The Bible does not mention modern traffic in clear and unrefutable terms that could not be otherwise interpreted.

What part of "your claim will be rejected" do you not understand?

[antihippy]

This may be a daft question, but why not contact the Jref office and ask them if they have a record of such a claim (obviously it won't be listed under "successful").

I've read this guys post and he's either a troll or someon have a laugh. Possibly both.

[GzuzKryzt]

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24. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
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I could attribute this "prophecy" to the coming of Mr. Ron Jeremy.

"And his power shall be mighty,"

- his member = 10" (erect)

but not by his own power:

- fluffer, oral stimulation

and he shall destroy wonderfully,

- "Sex is death, death is sex."

and shall prosper,

- through payment for his flics.

and practise,

- well: D'uh!

and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people."

- Sex is death, death is sex...with the big names in the Adult Film Industry.



Does this prove, beyond any single doubt, that "the prophecies were true"?

[Tirdun]

No, no, no! I don't want to battle trolls today!

Elijah777, prove them wrong, support your wild claims with wilder claims! Regale us with your keen interpretations! Dig deep into your KJV and Middle School Western History text. Pick a color besides Red even. Explore the blue or green corner of the color wheel. Get some FONT shifts and underlines in there for effect. You can do it.

[NiallM]

Dear Dr. Ward,

The JREF does not accept claims involving text interpretation. Even if there were in fact a manner in which I could make that clearer to you, I fear it would have no improved effect.Written on the 4th Jan 2006. Note this for later...Indeed, it is our game, and there are rules. You are not the first applicant to childishly complain when the JREF declines to alter them. Nor are you the first disgruntled applicant to slander Randi after the fact. Of that you can be sure.Interpreting this, Kramer is talking about a game. What game, eh? Could he be anticipating more spare time in his future?If the timbre of your initial claim letter (and subsequent fax) were not pocked with such zealous hatred and Bible-fueled belligerence toward Randi, we may have considered offering you some ideas on what kind of claim we might consider (perhaps involving your alleged ability to directly connect a clear and concise section of text to some forthcoming event, in which the text was not "interpreted" to only appear to match the actual event).Here Kramer - although he doesn't know it - is predicting a great wave in the Pacific and canisters of sulphur falling from the sky. And some other stuff. Running numbers through teh text indicates that Arsenal will play Barcelona in the European Champions League. The Lord works in mysterious ways! However, your foul attitude is quite familiar to us, as is your obvious disdain for those who do not share your belief in what a book of ancient text reveals, as interpreted by you personally, coincidentally matching your agenda precisely. Or is it a coincidence at all? One wonders. "Foul", eh? As in the ancent Aramaic word meaning "The magician will become very ill, but will recover. Meanwhile I will leave JREF and the Challenge will be on hiatus for some time".You have no evidence except that which you yourself have invented to support your religious convictions. That is the psychological basis of text intepretation. We have no interest in such self-delusions. Our interest lies solely in the examination of actual phenomenon, and not in the examination of the minds of the devoted. That is the work of others.

You will receive no further communication from us. Your file has been closed.

-Kramer, JREF Paranormal Claims Dept.
And within this closing is a coded message that says that an alleged Dr Ward will pretend to be in another country, but will slander Randi nonetheless.

The Lord most certainly moves in mysterious ways.

Recipes, anyone?

[Tirdun]

Recipes, anyone?

I've found that if you use Coconut Cream instead of Coconut Milk in curry recepies... its really not that bad. I'll stick with the Milk, but it was an interesting (if somewhat sweet) take on Curried Chicken.

[ChristineR]

I'm bummed. I was going to find Increase Mather's classic sermon "The Day of Trouble is near" and share with you all what those prophecies meant in 1674. As Increase was quite a guy, I'm sure his interpretation didn't have to rely on coloured fonts to impress.

If my memory is accurate, this verse:

10. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from
heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11. And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters. because they were made bitter."

refers to Islam (according to Increase), which is as good a interpretation as I know of. When I was a kid everyone said it meant a nuclear bomb would be dropped somewhere.

Since Increase Mather and everyone I knew as I kid are credible authorities, we have established beyond doubt that this Bible verse does not have a single unequivocal interpretation.

[Shaun from Scotland]

Why do you even care about the challenge?

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."

[prewitt81]

*Has a flashback to drmabus*

My thoughts exactly. This has to be the same guy, right?

[Mojo]

i LIE NOT !!!And I suppose you haven't hit Caps Lock by mistake either?

[The_Fire]

My thoughts exactly. This has to be the same guy, right?

Smells and tastes an awfull lot like the same dude.....

[Psiload]

i LIE NOT !!!

This must be the biblical kookspeak version of...

It's true!

[Tirdun]

BTW - Wormwood MEANS Chernobyl in Ukrainian ... do the research...

I did and it doesn't.

Chernobyl = chornyi byllia = black stalks.
Oh, the stalks being referred to (mugwort plants) are members of the family of plants (Artemisia) that includes wormwood (Artemisia absinthium or Polyn), but tomatoes are nightshades, so there's some family resemblance for you. If the plant and town had been named Polyn, you'd be in better waters.

Further, stars do not use the same nuclear process as nuclear plants. Stars undergo fusion, nuclear plants use fission. Its ok, they almost rhyme and are related. Chernobyl was a thermal reactor, meaning it consumed Uranium and produced about 5MW of power through fission. A star like our sun consumes hydrogen and produces 383 ×10^21 MW through fusion. Calling Chernobyl a "Great Star" is like calling a grain of sand a "great planet".

[Curnir]

I've found that if you use Coconut Cream instead of Coconut Milk in curry recepies... its really not that bad. I'll stick with the Milk, but it was an interesting (if somewhat sweet) take on Curried Chicken.
well there's more fat in the cream...

500 g Pork (as fat and sinewless as possible, rump works nice)
2 red bell peppers
1 yellow bell pepper
1 green bell pepper
1-2 tblspn. Honey
1-4 teaspn Sambal Oelek (depending on your heat preference)
1 can (3 dl) Coconut Milk
1-2 dl Milk (if needed)
1-4 tblspn Chinese soysause (amount varies)
Oil.

Slice the Pork into 1 cm wide 3-4 cm long slices chop peppers into bits about as big as the pork slices. fry the pork in some oil until "golden brownish", move the pork into a casserol pot. Fry the peppers in the same pan as the pork, the peppers should still be crunchy. Put peppers in the casserol pot.
Add the coconut milk, sambal oelek and honeay and let the pot stew for a while, if the coconut milk doesn't cover the meat and peppers add milk to top it up.
Add soy sause while tasting to get the right balance.
Let it stew some more.

Serve with Rice.

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Does anyone has a recipe for fried eggs?

[Timothy]

Yawn.

The concept behind the Challenge and the procedures necessary are beyond the functioning mental capacity of many people.

Here's yet another one.

You'll never change this poor delusional's mind, why bother?

Yawn.

- Timothy

[ChristineR]

Curnir, what is Sambel Oelek? Does it have other names? It seems that it may just be "chili paste," but I'm not sure...

[Curnir]

Curnir, what is Sambel Oelek? Does it have other names? It seems that it may just be "chili paste," but I'm not sure...

Well I guess it sort of like 'chili paste' a bit stronger than dutch chili but milder than piri piri.

[Tirdun]

Mmmm, now I really am in the mood for curry.

I need to see if the family has gotten over that last batch so I can try again. It was a bit... spicy for their tastes. I enjoyed it, although the leftovers were near inedible after fermenting in the fridge. I'm not sure HOW it got hotter overnight, but darned if it wasn't.

[Odin]

...Colored fonts!...

Did 1inChrist ever apply for the challenge?

[ChristineR]

Mmmm, now I really am in the mood for curry.

I need to see if the family has gotten over that last batch so I can try again. It was a bit... spicy for their tastes. I enjoyed it, although the leftovers were near inedible after fermenting in the fridge. I'm not sure HOW it got hotter overnight, but darned if it wasn't.

Well, just a guess here, but the chemical in chilis that makes them hot may have seeped out with time. Cooking breaks down the vegetable structure, eventually turning crisp veggies into mush. It may be that chili pepper mush is hotter than the equivalent fresh chili.

[Hawk one]

Aww man, I missed the lying troll who claimed that his challenge was accepted when it's a matter of public record that it was rejected... Why am I always late to these parties?

[GzuzKryzt]

Aww man, I missed the lying troll who claimed that his challenge was accepted when it's a matter of public record that it was rejected... Why am I always late to these parties?

Next time you'll make it... :)



Technically, for what we can observe from this

"Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

Yours,
M. KRAMER
JREF ONE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE DEPT.
email...kramer@randi.org"

it seems he did not even apply.

[Ririon]

Aww man, I missed the lying troll who claimed that his challenge was accepted when it's a matter of public record that it was rejected... Why am I always late to these parties?
This time, I suspect some flagwaving. :D

[prewitt81]

Aww man, I missed the lying troll who claimed that his challenge was accepted when it's a matter of public record that it was rejected... Why am I always late to these parties?

the lying SHOUTING troll

[Gr8wight]

Next time you'll make it... :)



Technically, for what we can observe from this

"Unless you are able to make a clear and unrefutable connection between ONE
biblical prophecy and ONE historical event that is clearly NOT subject to
interpretation, your claim will be rejected.

Yours,
M. KRAMER
JREF ONE MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE DEPT.
email...kramer@randi.org"

it seems he did not even apply.

I am not convinced that the challenge thread linked to about the gentleman from Texas is, indeed, the same person as we are dealing with here. Definitely, the subject matter is the same. However, the reply from Kramer in the challenge thread was a definite no, and the e-mail this person has reproduced is not quite as emphatic.

[alfaniner]

Personal rule: Any opening post with more than 20 paragraphs automatically gets skipped over. Twice as fast if there are colored fonts.

[GzuzKryzt]

Personal rule: Any opening post with more than 20 paragraphs automatically gets skipped over. Twice as fast if there are colored fonts.

Thrice as fast with CAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCA PSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPS CAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCAPSCA PS. Useful procedure for most (=99,999999%) cases, alfaniner.



Bets, if Elijah777 will return?

[Tirdun]

oooh, dibs on Elijah778! Its one better.

I predict another thread with a signal/noise ratio equal to the OP.

[petre]

I've found that if you use Coconut Cream instead of Coconut Milk in curry recepies... its really not that bad. I'll stick with the Milk, but it was an interesting (if somewhat sweet) take on Curried Chicken.

I once substituted creamer and Shead's Spread for milk and butter when making Mac & Cheese at my aunt's house. It worked in a pinch (I survived), but I wouldn't recommend it.

[GzuzKryzt]

I once substituted creamer and Shead's Spread for milk and butter when making Mac & Cheese at my aunt's house. It worked in a pinch (I survived), but I wouldn't recommend it.

Petre, I am not familiar with this expression: "It worked in a pinch." Please explain it, if you find the time. I get the approximate meaning from the rest of the sentence.

[digithead]

Bets, if Elijah777 will return?

I think it would be more fun to bet on how many posts it takes he/she to get banned from the forum...

ETA: I'll start the over/under at 10 posts...

[bobcarp]

Does anyone has a recipe for fried eggs?

This is your brain.... this is your brain on the bible....

[aggle-rithm]

Please look very carefully at DANIEL Ch.8 vs:23-27:


Written by Daniel around 553 BC, this prophecy was fulfilled in its entirety from around 1938-1945, by none other than Adolph Hitler. How do we know this; please look carefully at the prophecy.


There was no such person as Daniel. The book of Daniel was a commentary on the occupation of the Holy Land by Greeks a few hundred years after Daniel supposedly lived. The events from that period are the origin of the tradition of Hannukkah.

It was intended to describe current events, not future events.


Please now to [I]Revelation, Ch.8, Vs.10 -11.


Revelation was a commentary on the persecution of Christians by the Romans. The famous "666", in Greek numerals, was a cryptogram for "Ceasar Nero".

It was intended to describe current events, not future events.

NEXT!

[petre]

Petre, I am not familiar with this expression: "It worked in a pinch." Please explain it, if you find the time. I get the approximate meaning from the rest of the sentence.

The word "pinch" there means "difficult situation". The situation being that I was watching their house, already had the macaroni cooked, and discovered there was no milk nor butter in the house :)

[NiallM]

Incidentally, I found within a few minutes an Alan Ward who works in an animal clinic in Texas - as indicated in the Kramer application thread.

The content of the fax to Kramer was just waaay too far out there to have been from a professional. I wonder whether the name was assumed (maybe the claimant had a grudge over a pet's demise). Eitherway, his name and number are on the net. Perhaps the guy is being screwed by our "applicant". Anyone feel like asking him?

[GzuzKryzt]

The word "pinch" there means "difficult situation". The situation being that I was watching their house, already had the macaroni cooked, and discovered there was no milk nor butter in the house :)

Thanks, mate.

I also had my share of kitchen experiments. As you probably agree with, not everything works.

[Tirdun]

I've added ketchup and salsa to spaghetti sauce when I've come up short. Toss in some basil and a few diced veggies and nobody really complained. I think my oldest said he didn't like the new sauce as much.

[hellaeon]

My biblical prophecy

LOCATION: Ecclesiastes 7:26
SCRIPTURE: I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.
PREDICTION: This is referring to me and my fantasies about Jessica Simpson/Paris Hilton/Christina A/Sarah M Gellar/Kirsten Dunst.
m skipping the reasons for this interpretation to formerly state - The scripture is referring to my meeting with these lovely ladies in the future and it means those women will ensnare me into their grasp and we will get married.

[GzuzKryzt]

My biblical prophecy

LOCATION: Ecclesiastes 7:26
SCRIPTURE: I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.
PREDICTION: This is referring to me and my fantasies about Jessica Simpson/Paris Hilton/Christina A/Sarah M Gellar/Kirsten Dunst.
m skipping the reasons for this interpretation to formerly state - The scripture is referring to my meeting with these lovely ladies in the future and it means those women will ensnare me into their grasp and we will get married.

Ms. Hilton? Really?

And which Christina A?

[hellaeon]

Ms. Hilton? Really?

And which Christina A?

Aguileria (http://images.sexiest100.org/christinaaguilera,17.jpg) or however you spell it.

Yeah Ms Hilton. Wait and see. It will happen.
God told me.

Edit: See where my cut and paste of the url goes hahahaha! try : http://images.s*xiest100.org/christinaaguilera,17.jpg for the link I intended.

[GzuzKryzt]

Aguileria (http://images.sexiest100.org/christinaaguilera,17.jpg) or however you spell it.
...


Aguilera? Applegate would have made my day.
De gustibus non est disputandum. (By the way, is Bubba holding a dildo?)



But I saw the episode of Penn & Teller's Show recently, where Mr. Jillette says/screams the line you quoted in your sig. Hysterical.

[hellaeon]

yes applegate is a very appealing lady.

<thread derail>

That episode I agree with in a few principles. Rest assured my days of that lifestyle are far gone, but seriously...dope? that weener is off his knocker... Is alcohol any safer?
</thread derail>

[GzuzKryzt]

I want to ask this for quite a while: Which one of the dudes, er, mates in your avatar is you?

[Elijah777]

Glad you have all had fun...

The Object of the original Application is to Prove and Reveal that The Holy Bible is Real and True in EVERY WAY...

One of these many ways is by the Study of Prophecy.

Yes - the documentation was OFFICIALLY filed..The Terms of the Challenge were OFFICIALLY accepted.

It IS TRUE, that the love of money is the root of all evil - i HATE money, however i hate electric shocks also, we still need electricity and we still need money. The KEY is NOT to love the stuff - Amen

Recipes and cream posts and bizarre comedy are ALL irrelevant to this thread and to this Theme.

The concept of the Challenge was to PROVE The Supernatural.

Prophetic Holy Scripture SATISFIES this criteria.

The Bible is one vast Prophetic Document.

God is REAL and His Name will NEVER be Allah or Buddha or any Hindu or Islamic god. He Visited this earth a few times in the past.

He created the Original CREATURES - ALL of them.

Ask yourselves - "Who nurtured and raised the first human baby...the first monkey baby...the first baby zebra...the first baby giraffe....and so on?"

Infants are HELPLESS without adult supervision - BYE BYE DARWIN...

So, now we are in the first three Chapters of The Holy Book of GENESIS - Amen

Yes - EVERY WORD IS TRUE !!!

Your choice whether to Believe or ridicule...also your peril if you DO choose to ridicule - God will NOT be Mocked....Check the Warnings....

Fortunately, your SIN can be Erased from The Heavenly Record by Faith and Belief in The Lord JESUS CHRIST, and through His Holy Blood shed on The Cross 1973 years ago - IF you REJECT Satan's LIES and present yourselves to be Baptized - WITH Repentance - Amen

Truth is truth - there is INDEED The Heaven - Amen

==============================================

Okay back to this Challenge :-

Here is the Rejection email from Kramer : (NO i do NOT make things up to deliberately deceive)

----- Original Message -----
From: M. KRAMER
To: Elijah
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: ELIJAH...JREF - FIRST TWO LEVELS OF THE APPLICATION CONTAINED HEREIN


Dear Sir,
We have read through your interpretations of scripture (very slowly and
carefully, as you insisted) and find it to be nothing more than
interpretation. Interpretation is entirely subjective.

We are constantly busy with the investigation of paranormal claims.

Your interpretation of the Bible is entirely subjective, and we find NO
DIRECT LINK between the scripture you have submitted and any event you
claim is connected to it. You need stronger proof to be accepted as an
applicant for the prize you wish to win.

As such, your claim is REJECTED.

Yours,
KRAMER, JREF

====================================

Original Message -----
From: M. KRAMER
To: Elijah
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: ELIJAH ...JREF


Dear Elijah,

Thank you for your reply.

YES we have your notarized application on file here.

Your "claim" is clearly of an interpretive nature. Such claims are NOT
acceptable in qualifying you for claimant status, as clearly stated in the
JREF prize rules. Please read them very carefully before you proceed.

In ordert to be considered for the prize, you must clearly and succinctly
offer ONE prophesied event that can not in any way be connected to any
other historical event. Interpretation of text is NOT acceptable. There
can be NO interpretation. Anyone can interpret passages from the Bible to
fit modern events. Indeed, people have been doing this for 2,000 years.

Perhaps you do not truly comprehend the nature of the JREF ONE MILLION
DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE. Please refer to the prize rules in our
website for specifics on the prize criteria.

Feel free to get back to me if you wish, but I assure that your present
"evidence" will NOT qualify you for claimant status.

=============================================

So - what we have is REJECTION because they claim that the Prophecy Translation is INTERPRETATION - hmmmm - How else can a Prophecy be Translated and Correlated to an Event in History?

Here is the the MAIN AGREED Term of this Challenge Application :-

"In ordert to be considered for the prize, you must clearly and succinctly
offer ONE prophesied event that can not in any way be connected to any
other historical event."

The Challenge Application contains a large number of Biblical Prophecies that can EASILY be correlated to events in history.

Can such a correlation be done WITHOUT Interpretation?

In A Court of Law, RANDI LOSES...

How?

Because the PRIMARY TERM of the Agreed Challenge Application - The Fundamental, IS to Prove ONE Biblical Prophecy seen in One Historical Event.

Now, how to do this?

Clearly One Definition of INTERPRETATION is Essential.

So, the definition of INTERPRETATION is the Pivot on which legal action wins or loses.

Wild, off the wall Interpretations, clearly FAIL.

However, One CLOSE look at The Nahum Prophecy, and very little "REQUIRED AND NEEDED Interpretation" is required.

In fact, without, a modicum of Interpretation, Linking a Biblical Prophecy with an Historical Event is TRULY IMPOSSIBLE.

The BAN on Interpretation CAN be voided in a Court of Law.

How? Because the Agreement to Pay the Challenge Prize RESTS on the Proving of ONE Historical Event with ONE Biblical Prophecy.

Therefore, THE BALANCE OF PROBABLITY, comes into play. Since The Submitted Challenge Document contains a MULTITUDE of Supernatural Prophecies, and DEFINITIVELY Links them with Famous Historical Items, as AGREED, to then NEGATE them ALL by saying they are ALL Interpretation, is nothing less than REFUSAL TO PAY THE PRIZE. Remember "SOME" Modicum of Interpretation is a Fundamental prerequisite of the FOUNDATION of the Agreed Challenge Criteria.

Therefore, when the time is Right - we will let The Judge decide.

His decision will turn on ONE THING ONLY, "Can the Agreed Challenge Criteria be legally fulfilled WITHOUT any Interpretation whatsoever?"

We have some time to file The Writ....

In the meantime....this Post is just a tiny Taste of The Supernatural.

NOT the Satanic supernatural of non-Christian charlatans and Egyptian magicians....Nay people....RATHER, The Holy Supernatural Power of The Living God, Who Created ALL THINGS, and Sent His Son to Be Crucufied for our SINS, even JESUS CHRIST, Who Resurrected to PROVE His Case.

He has done this BEYOND Reproach !!!!!!!

The Question for ALL people is simple.... Who are you going Believe, God The Creator of The Universe or SINFUL, argumentative, disbelieving people?

Whilst you ponder whether God exists or not, and then you try and decide WHAT IS HIS NAME....Take a look around you and Decide...Is all that you see with your eyes and can remember seeing in your memory...is ALL THIS an ACCIDENT?

All this matter and diversity of life, stars, sun moon, water, mountains, trees, flowers, and suchlike - ALL THIS IS REALITY - and ALL THIS appeared ALL ON ITS OWN, without ANY Designer or Creator???????

If you think so - THINK AGAIN....

Amen

May God Bless you ALL in The Living Truth of The Lord JESUS CHRIST and His Holy Father, The Creator of us ALL - Amen

Matthew 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

i DO have Great Faith that The Spirit of The Living God is FREELY available to each and every person reading this Post.

i DO Believe that Christ is THE LIGHT that allows each and every one of you to live, to have even be born in the first place.

If you WANT to write and act like swine, then that is your lookout...

It is NOT me you will trample on and rend, it ULTIMATELY will be your Creator and possible Saviour (if you REPENT and be Baptized) and ONE DAY you will have to give account of your life here on earth - ALL IS RECORDED IN HEAVEN - EVERYTHING...

So WITHOUT Christ FORGIVING YOU, by Repenting in Belief in Him, your SIn will Remain to Judgment Day.

Those STAINED by Unrepented, Unforgiven SIN, By Christ ONLY, CANNOT enter Heaven and will have torment in earth also.

Consider these matters carefully, as The Holy Spirit is WATCHING EVERYONE - He Knows EVERY THOUGHT of your hearts....

Behave yourselves and BECOME Holy through Christ and YOU SHALL BE SAVED, When you are BAPTIZED as a Confessing, Believing person.

Nice to Share Holy Truth with you...

Bye for now....

Love and Truth....

Elijah

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[GzuzKryzt]

...
In A Court of Law, RANDI LOSES...
...


Sue him. Now.



Also, your thread title does in no way represent a reality I know of and have experienced.

[GzuzKryzt]

Elijah777, you may have good intentions. Your heart may be pure, your mind may feature utmost lucidity.

Convince us by making a prediction of a future event. Use whatever scripture you deem helpful.

Please give us, in advance to the event prophesied:

1. A specific date & time.
2. A specific location.
3. A specific event.



You will not only undoubtedly convince millions of people of your wisdom, you will also save lots of human lives by helping identify a catastrophic, disastrous, horrible event BEFORE its occurence.

Thank you, Elijah777.

[Odin]

Ask yourselves - "Who nurtured and raised the first human baby...the first monkey baby...the first baby zebra...the first baby giraffe....and so on?"



http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/4278446bd8b96bd5d.jpg
Where does the red end and the blue begin?

[GzuzKryzt]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/4278446bd8b96bd5d.jpg
Where does the red end and the blue begin?

Ask Renee Rynn. ;)

[Gr8wight]

Elijah777,

Perhaps the most important part of Kramer Mark I's e-mail to you is this:

you do not truly comprehend the nature of the JREF ONE MILLION
DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE.

Ruminate on that for a while.

[a_unique_person]

It's mud, and it sticks, unfortunately.

[GzuzKryzt]

a_unique_person, do you pursuit a special goal by misspelling Mr. Brecht's name in your sig? Perhaps a joke I don't get? Always curious.

[thaiboxerken]

My terms were accepted OFFICIALLY


Then I suggest you hire a lawyer and settle this.

[GzuzKryzt]

...
(if you REPENT and be Baptized)
...


"Your scripture and your sermons/
Are leaves borne on the wind/
To heal the Unrepentant/
One needs a greater sin."

[GzuzKryzt]

...
(if you REPENT and be Baptized)
...


"Screams,
From a life I live
Torment,
Is what I give
Torture,
Is what I love
The down fall,
Of the heavens above."

[GzuzKryzt]

...
(if you REPENT and be Baptized)
...


"Evil
My words defy
Evil
Has no disguise
Evil
Will take your soul
Evil
My wrath unfolds."

[GzuzKryzt]

...
(if you REPENT and be Baptized)
...


"Chanting lines of blind witchery
To save yourself from extinction
Wanting to die is your reason to live
New life born from the oppressed

Taste your blood as it trickles through the air
Another casualty beyond the shadows you fall
Losing ground, the fate you feel it draws near
Fatality, reality, you await the final call."

[GzuzKryzt]

...
(if you REPENT and be Baptized)
...


"I want to invite you welcome you
To my hate to my scorn to myself
Saturate you infest you betray you
Stimulate you so eager for my lies
For my lies... lies
Lies in the name of god

[lead: king]

I take you I play you invade you
Lacerate you i scar you innocence
Masticate you ingest you become you
Defenseless i fill your emptiness
With my lies... lies
Lies in the name of god
In this world of **** I exist
Perfect world conforms I resist
Disconnect the nerves from the spine
Desecrate the walls of the mind
Through these eyes no love is alive
Through these eyes unrest never dies
Through these lies compassion is lost
Through these lies await the ungod
Antichrist is the name of god
Antichrist is the name of god
Antichrist is the name of god
Antichrist is the name of god."

[GzuzKryzt]

...
(if you REPENT and be Baptized)
...


"LIES IN THE NAME OF GOD!"

[slickcat]

COUGHkookCOUGH

[GzuzKryzt]

Chandler Bing: "Could you be any more subtle?"

[slickcat]

;)

[GzuzKryzt]

I simply quoted Manowar and Slayer (5x).

[a_unique_person]

a_unique_person, do you pursuit a special goal by misspelling Mr. Brecht's name in your sig? Perhaps a joke I don't get? Always curious.

Like many people down under, we are cut off from the cultural part of the world, and make do as best we can.

[GzuzKryzt]

Like many people down under, we are cut off from the cultural part of the world, and make do as best we can.

At least you got the "understatement" part down.

[thaiboxerken]

Many people have claimed to have won the challenge and been cheated from the money, why haven't any of them filed suit?

[GzuzKryzt]

Many people have claimed to have won the challenge and been cheated from the money, why haven't any of them filed suit?

Because talk is cheaper than a suit and a lawyer.

[TjW]

Because talk is cheaper than a suit and a lawyer.
Or a lawyer with a cheap suit.

[Yahzi]

Too many colors
If your goal was interior decorating, I found the "Sienna" to be attractive.

If your goal was reasoned argument... oh, who are we kidding.

Fantasy Ideology ([http://www.policyreview.org/AUG02/harris.html) strikes again.

[GzuzKryzt]

Or a lawyer with a cheap suit.

Or a suited cheap lawyer.

[Metullus]

I was told by my psychic that I won the prize in a past life. I also successfully pressed a lawsuit, all the way to the US Supreme Court. I just can't seem to recall what my name was back then...

But then again my psychic could be mistaken.

[GzuzKryzt]

I was told by my psychic that I won the prize in a past life. I also successfully pressed a lawsuit, all the way to the US Supreme Court. I just can't seem to recall what my name was back then...
...


B. B. Queen?

[Metullus]

B. B. Queen?
Good idea. I'll check with Sylvia and get back to you...

[Ceritus]

1) Will begin with Adolph Hitler.

Please look very carefully at DANIEL Ch.8 vs:23-27:
23. "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall stand up.
24. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his
hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall
destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes but he shall be broken without hand.
26. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
27. And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it."


Why didn't he just say "Looketh out for a man named hitler!" That is a ton of words for such a simple statement. Hitler was in no sense a king anyways. Kings were not the only rulers in those days either. It is very vague and very likely. Over time how many more rulers do you think will try to wipe out other people of different religion or decent? It's almost ineveitable with people like you to carry such a large torch when the road is made of hay.

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

As such, your claim is REJECTED.

Urr... maybe I am missing something but, was there some hidden ambiguity in this sentence that I missed? I would think that "your claim is REJECTED" was a pretty clear indication that your challenge was not accepted. Or is "your claim is REJECTED" open to interpretation?

[Zep]

What can I say...

http://www.toonopedia.com/bonkers.jpg

[rjh01]

We need another troll to come here and debate with this current troll. The rest of us can stand back and watch the <human solid waste product> flow.

[Mojo]

So - what we have is REJECTION because they claim that the Prophecy Translation is INTERPRETATION - hmmmm - How else can a Prophecy be Translated and Correlated to an Event in History? 1) If the prophecy is sufficiently specific, e.g. "a man called Hitler will come to power in Germany in the 20th century".

2) If the prophect can be correctly interpreted before the event it relates to, in other words if it can actually be used to predict events rather than just made to fit events after they occur.

[NiallM]

1) If the prophecy is sufficiently specific, e.g. "a man called Hitler will come to power in Germany in the 20th century".

2) If the prophect can be correctly interpreted before the event it relates to, in other words if it can actually be used to predict events rather than just made to fit events after they occur.
Of course, the problem with very specific predictions is that some of them may be self-fulfilling - or at least may be fulfilled to an extent by people who want to shore up the credibility of the document containing the predictions.

In the example of a Hitler, for instance, there may be an additional force at work, with him using the biblical prophecy to gain power. Sort of circular, don't ya think?

I thought that the JREF was being very flexible with their demands of Elijah. From what I can see, they were prepared to accept a postdiction so long as the interpretation couldn't possible be applied to any other event in history. This is quite a daring stance, but the logic is good. It takes away any wiggle room that is involved with interpretation, and replaces it implicitly with a demand for absolute specifics.

As a demand, it's far less stringent than demanding a prediction about a future event.

[Mendeli]

Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
...

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Is this a thread where we can quote books? Ok. I can do that!

Revelations in cooking!
1. To Soften Brown Sugar:
# Store a slice of bread in it overnight...
# Microwave on low for 30-90 seconds, or...
# Heat in a low (250) oven for 3-5 minutes.

2. Dust with Cocoa Powder:
When making chocolate-based cakes or breads, grease the pan and dust with cocoa powder, instead of flour, to prevent sticking.

3. Grate Butter into Flour:
Instead of using a pastry blender, mix flour with butter by grating cold butter into it.

4. Make Your Own Slice 'n' Bake Cookies:
When making cookie dough, roll half the dough into logs, or cylinders, wrap well and freeze. Then slice and bake as desired.

5. Bring Out the Ironing Board for Cookie-Cooling:
If you need extra counter space for cooling cookies on racks or baking sheets, set up the ironing board and let them rest on it (cover the board to prevent stains).

6. To Make Cookie Crumbs, Cracker Crumbs or to Crush Shelled Nuts:
Seal them in a zipper bag then crush with a rolling pin.

7. Three Methods to Remove the Fat from a Stock:
# Method 1: Chill until the fat solidifies, then scrape or lift it off.
# Method 2: Lay a paper towel on top of the surface. It absorbs grease. Repeat as necessary.
# Method 3: Insert a bulb baster under the layer of fat and squeeze; you're removing the juices/stock and leaving the fat behind.

8. To Protect Pie Crusts from Burning:
Cut out the center from a foil pie plate and invert it over the crust's edge. Or fold a piece of foil and cut out the center, then lay the foil over the crust's edge.

9. For an Easy "Bouquet Garni":
A bouquet garni is simply herbs and spices tied together or in cheesecloth for easy removal. Instead of cheesecloth, fill a tea ball for spices that need to be removed before serving, like peppercorns, bay leaves, etc.

10. To Make Citrus Curl Garnishes:
Peel a long strip of citrus peel with a zester. Tape one end to a straw then wrap in spirals. Freeze. Remove straw and tape before using.

11. Uses for Spray Bottles:
Buy several small spray bottles to use in the kitchen, for tasks like these:
# moistening pie dough
# coating oil on pans
# misting salad dressing on delicate greens
# spritzing filo dough with oil

12. Make Pita Chips:
Spray pita triangles with water, sprinkle with herbs and seasonings then bake at 350 degrees F until crisp (about 5 minutes).

13. To Measure Extracts or Small Amounts of Liquid:
Use a dropper with measurements on it, found in drugstores.

14. To Freeze Small Portions:
Use a muffin tin for stock or sauces; oversized ones hold 1 cup. To eject, twist the tins and tap on bottom if stuck. Seal tightly and freeze.

15. Keep "Fresh" Lemon Juice Handy:
For fresh-tasting lemon or lime juice year-round, freeze lemons and limes whole; thaw in microwave before squeezing.

16. Freeze Tomato Paste:
Freeze tomato paste in the can. Open both ends and punch out the paste. Wrap the frozen paste in foil and freeze, then slice off what you need as you need it.

17. Cook Corn Without Husking:
Cook corn with husks and silks on. The silks slide off with husks and both add more flavor.

18. Thaw Foods More Quickly:
Place frozen foods on a metal surface, like a metal tray or heavy frying pan. Metal conducts room temperature better than formica, wood, glass or tile.




19. Place the Cutting Board on a Low-Sided Pan:
To keep your work area dry and less messy, place the cutting board inside a baking sheet or jellyroll pan, so excess falls into the pan. Rubber bands or a damp cloth underneath helps prevent the board or pan from slipping. This works especially well when carving meats and roasts to save their juices.

Impressed, Elijah?

[CriticalThanking]

Is this a thread where we can quote books?Let's ask the author and see if he will waive copyright just this one time. :D

CT

[TheBoyPaj]

The Object of the original Application is to Prove and Reveal that The Holy Bible is Real and True in EVERY WAY...

It was? You know, I never would have guessed that. Live and learn.

[Odin]

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Hellfire?
HELLFIRE!


I have won this debate.

[Zep]

Hi, 1inC!

[fuelair]

Sambal O. is an Indonesian garlic/chile paste reputed (haven't obtained any yet - but pretty sure habanero is hotter) to be hot and tasty. Not a recipe(re:fried eggs) but they taste way better if you fry them in Mayo"s Country Sausage (or) good smoked bacon (or) good smoked ham fat OR butter (different, but good). They taste even better on corn tortillas with green chile sauce. I notice Elijah is in the neighborhood of the beast but in the next block - and wonder if he gets invited to the parties.

[Curnir]

Sambal O. is an Indonesian garlic/chile paste reputed (haven't obtained any yet - but pretty sure habanero is hotter) to be hot and tasty.

Habanero is much much much much much much much much much much much much much much .......... much much much hotter than Sambal O.

I grow chili as a hobby (dutch chili, piri piri and habanero) and I've made some nice habanero honey and various spiced vodka. (one drop into 2 pints of water and it'll still clear your sinuses)
I bring small bottles of the spiced vodka (usually mint/habanero and honey habanero mix) to parties, always fun to dare some macho fool to drink just a few drops...

yeah I know... I'm evil.

[Gravy]

Elijah! Your coloring was almost completely within the lines this time! Good boy!

(I'm still cracking up over "Elizabethan English of AD 1770.")

[Tirdun]

Glad you have all had fun...
You are amusing, that's for sure. This will be my last honest attempt, since your posts are now fully within trolling territory.
The Object of the original Application is to Prove and Reveal that The Holy Bible is Real and True in EVERY WAY...
And in that, you have failed.
Yes - the documentation was OFFICIALLY filed..The Terms of the Challenge were OFFICIALLY accepted.
Not according to the emails you posted. Here, I'll help:

Reject : transitive verb
a : to refuse to accept, consider, submit to, take for some purpose, or use
b : to refuse to hear, receive, or admit : REBUFF, REPEL

Recipes and cream posts and bizarre comedy are ALL irrelevant to this thread and to this Theme.
You're new here, so I'll help. Posts of recipies and pictures of fuzzy animals are an indication that the thread has lost relevance. In other words there was nothing in your post worth replying to, so the thread had moved on to equally important issues.

The concept of the Challenge was to PROVE The Supernatural.
Prophetic Holy Scripture SATISFIES this criteria.
Your first statement is true, your second is conjecture and was rejected (see definition above) by the JREF because it was vague and subjective to your personal point of view and questionable interpretation. The same could be said for all of Nostradamus' prophesies and the prophesies of just about every other religion. Ever. You've still not gotten past step 1 of the challenge (http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html), which states that you must reach an agreed upon demonstration. Note the dichotomy between "agreed upon" and "rejection". To reject is to not agree upon. To not agree upon fails the first rule. To fail the rule results in no money. They did not agree, you neither took nor passed any test, therefore you will not get any money.
Ask yourselves -Who nurtured and raised the first human baby...the first monkey baby...the first baby zebra...the first baby giraffe....and so on?"
I'm not sure what your truly juvinile dismissal of evolution has to do with the challenge, so I'm going to skip on a bit.
Okay back to this Challenge
Here is the Rejection email from Kramer : (NO i do NOT make things up to deliberately deceive)
I'm going to clip the letter and point out your sentence.
-> Here is the rejection email
Mmmm. Rejection email. Rejecting your application. Are we following this? Is there a theme? A motif, even?
So - what we have is REJECTION because they claim that the Prophecy Translation is INTERPRETATION - hmmmm - How else can a Prophecy be Translated and Correlated to an Event in History?
Not JREF's problem. Their money, their rules, their choice. I suggest its because you and every other reader subjectively interprets the scriptures to mean something different. Thus it can't be objectively tested, which is a requirement of the challenge.
"In ordert to be considered for the prize, you must clearly and succinctly offer ONE prophesied event that can not in any way be connected to any other historical event."

The Challenge Application contains a large number of Biblical Prophecies that can EASILY be correlated to events in history.

Correlation is not "clearly and succinctly connecting". Its drawing a relationship.

I interpreted Daniel to refer to Genghis Khan in all of 5 minutes. See the problem? Khan took more territory, built a longer lasting empire, he may have even killed more people (given a longer reign and his dynasty). Every line can be applied to Khan, so where's my million?

In A Court of Law, RANDI LOSES...
Ah, idle threats. Perhaps you've consulted with a lawyer on this? No?
Because the PRIMARY TERM of the Agreed Challenge Application - The Fundamental, IS to Prove ONE Biblical Prophecy seen in One Historical Event.
Your application was not accepted. You didn't agree to their terms and JREF never signed anything. There was no agreement, there was no preliminary challenge.

My Khan interpretation was better than your Hitler one. Not only does it fit the scriptures, but Hitler never invaded any of the Holy Lands while the Khans did. In fact, Suleiman the Magnificent would also fit Daniel's prophesy, as he conquered the entire middle east, rebuild Jerusalem and was quite the leader in combat. His empire was vast, powerful and largely peaceful. He was a noted lawmaker and was considered fair and just.

SO, what have we learned today?
1- Rejection is not the same as acceptance
2- You have won nothing because there was no agreement
3- You have won nothing because there was no demonstration
4- Interpretation is not the same as defining a clear relationship
5- Finding historical people who fit prophesy is easy, fun, but not very profitable.
6- If you see recepies in a thread you start, you've lost your target audience.
7- Abuse of the font and color tags does not convert pointless speculation and opinion into fact.

[slickcat]

I simply quoted Manowar and Slayer (5x).

GzuzKryzt,

I'm sorry, my comment referred to the OP, not what you posted. BTW, Slayer is one of my faves. The opening licks to Seasons in the Abyss send chills up and down my spine every time.

[petre]

SO, what have we learned today?
1- Rejection is not the same as acceptance
2- You have won nothing because there was no agreement
3- You have won nothing because there was no demonstration
4- Interpretation is not the same as defining a clear relationship
5- Finding historical people who fit prophesy is easy, fun, but not very profitable.
6- If you see recepies in a thread you start, you've lost your target audience.
7- Abuse of the font and color tags does not convert pointless speculation and opinion into fact.

A skillful deconstruction. Unfortunately, a person that believes in text interpretation will simply choose to have any set of written words mean whatever they want them to mean. Therefore, he will interpret all posts as support for his position even though his own posts clearly disprove it.

Perhaps, in time, he will read a newspaper article about a chemical spill and take it to mean that Randi already paid him the money, that he spent it on booze and loose women, and died a happy man from a cocaine overdose. Then he can lie quietly in repose (with family to care for him I suppose) and bother us no more.

[GzuzKryzt]

GzuzKryzt,

I'm sorry, my comment referred to the OP, not what you posted. BTW, Slayer is one of my faves. The opening licks to Seasons in the Abyss send chills up and down my spine every time.

Boy, howdy.

Slayer's music has helped me beaucoup in dealing with the religious nuttery I was raised.
The album "Reign In Blood" still does it for me. When I feel particularly miffed about something, I take the headphones, pick up some oak drumsticks and play along. Front to back. 1 - 10. The full monty.
This serves as a nice workout. I still don't have all the fills down, and some of Mr. Lombardo's ride work is simply crazy fast, but I break a nice sweat and always delightedly smile when I hear the rain...

"Jesus Saves." ;)

[Tirdun]

A skillful deconstruction. Unfortunately, a person that believes in text interpretation will simply choose to have any set of written words mean whatever they want them to mean. Therefore, he will interpret all posts as support for his position even though his own posts clearly disprove it.
I thought I'd take a shot at it. Debating is fun even if the other side is talking to the voices in their head.
Perhaps, in time, he will read a newspaper article about a chemical spill and take it to mean that Randi already paid him the money, that he spent it on booze and loose women, and died a happy man from a cocaine overdose. Then he can lie quietly in repose (with family to care for him I suppose) and bother us no more.:D

[Kimpatsu]

Why didn't he just say "Looketh out for a man named hitler!" That is a ton of words for such a simple statement. Hitler was in no sense a king anyways.
In fact, wasn't it called the Weimar Republic?

[Kimpatsu]

The rest of us can stand back and watch the <human solid waste product> flow.
No, the <excrement of male bovine>. :D

[Lamuella]

GzuzKryzt,

I'm sorry, my comment referred to the OP, not what you posted. BTW, Slayer is one of my faves. The opening licks to Seasons in the Abyss send chills up and down my spine every time.

so will you be celebrating the National Day of Slayer on 06/06/06?

[milesalpha]

[QUOTE=Elijah777;1644781]Glad you have all had fun...

I know I have. So far you have proven.

A. You don't seem to understand the English language.
B. You don't seem to understand how a civil court works.
C. You have little knowledge of Nazi Germany (my MA field) and have posted absolutely nothing that could be clearly identified as uniquely appropriate to Hitler. (two other dictators, same period, same "fierce countenance", one with somewhat less power, the other with more, but Mussolini and Stalin need not apply?)
D. You yourself realize that your argument is so weak that you have to colour it in, ala an elementary school child.
E. You feel comfortable lying, rather highlighting the problem with the interpretive nature of your claim.

Now on to the only thing that does make sense in the thread...

Anyone have a good recipe for Coqulle St. Jacques?

[Miss Whiplash]

A couple of years back, i was accepted for the Challenge and duly complied according to the terms, namely, to REVEAL one Prophecy from The Holy Bible.

Trolling Snipped


And Lord thusly spake to Pat Roberson, "A big wave is coming!!!"

Run....

[GreyPilgrim]

...could you, like, turn the colours down man? Or maybe swap those psychedelic crayons for a more chilled out pastel set? My eyes are burning.

[Aepervius]

Anyone have a good recipe for Coqulle St. Jacques?

1. You have to get the flat shall first.
2. Get the C st Jc, boil them. Alternative is to cook the in oil.
3. Prepare a bechamel.
4. Cut some leek (fresh). Add to bechamel. Add C. st jcq. Peper. You
do not need to ssalt (usually the Cq St Jac still has enough salt)
5. ut the preparation in the flat shell
6. Add some breadcrumbs over (Chapelure)
7. put in oven 180 degree and if I recall correctly 10-15 minutes until it is slight goldy color

Enjoy.

[Moochie]

Interpretation is just that: interpretation. It is (often uninspired) guesswork.

My interpretation of your claims, Elijah777, is that you are a minor crackpot who might benefit from therapy. Then again, maybe not.

Please remember to take your meds, won't you, dear?

M.

[Elijah777]

Greetings again O masse debaters...

Well, the ridicule and nonsense posted herein has achieved one salient FACT..

We WILL file a Writ on Randi and let The Judge decide.

For the Record, the Application WAS accepted.

For the Record, The Nahum Prophecy STANDS ALONE as perfectly Translated - NOT Interpreted my friends, Translated - there is a BIG Difference.

Translation is REQUIRED - hence the need for the prophetic gifting.

For the record : Prophecy is NOT "prediction".. True Prophecy is When GOD Speaks and Reveals His Plan for The Future.

For the record : Since 1974, over 70 future events have been revealed to me in night visions, day visions and IN WRITING, in advance.

You needn't concern yourselves with wanting to know what they were.

ALSO : Ghengis Khan was NOT the Daniel person Prophesied, BECAUSE it was in "The Latter Time of Their Kingdom" - IF you check carefully, their kingdom refers to Medes and Grecia, BY TRANSLATION Alphabetical language groups - that is Alpha Beta - GREEK - Only the language countries of Europe, using the Alphabet FULLY EMBRACED Christ and His Church - and came under attack for doing so.

Hitler AROSE out of Catholic / Protestant Germany.

IF YOU HAD THE FAITH TO "SEE" you would then SEE that Daniel Prophesied The Holocaust "AND HE SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY AND THE HOLY PEOPLE"

Over 6 million Jews and multitudes of Catholics and Christians were CONSUMED in the Second World War...

Stalin and other dictators PALE by comparison with Adolph Hitler.

Also, it was in The Latter Time of their kingdom - Ghengis Khan's era was NOT in The Latter Time...

Only with a prophetic eye and gift can these Matters be TRANSLATED now...

Clearly, no-one else Posting in this Forum is a Baptized, Believing Christian saint, so the True Gift of prophecy WILL elude you until the day you Repent and Turn your lives over to Christ - THEN, and only THEN, you may get to Eat of The Fruit of Tree of Life, and The Holy Ghost MAY bestow upon you the gift of prophecy...

It is INDEED By Faith - NOT clever argument nor fleshly wisdom.

However, picking up the mantle of an earlier Challenge in this very post :

BEHOLD :-

In Reply to GzuzKryzt's post :-

Elijah777, you may have good intentions. Your heart may be pure, your mind may feature utmost lucidity.

Convince us by making a prediction of a future event. Use whatever scripture you deem helpful.

Please give us, in advance to the event prophesied:

1. A specific date & time.
2. A specific location.
3. A specific event.

You will not only undoubtedly convince millions of people of your wisdom, you will also save lots of human lives by helping identify a catastrophic, disastrous, horrible event BEFORE its occurence.

Thank you, Elijah777.

REPLY :-

Dear All - Here is The Prophecy that the WHOLE WORLD ought to pay attention to :-

NB : Not interested in anyone concerning themselves about my wisdom, BUT - MILLIONS OF LIVES CAN BE SAVED IF THE PROPHECY BELOW IS INDEED HEARKENED UNTO AND HEEDED FULLY - Amen

1) Specific date and time : The EXACT MOMENT AFTER YOU SHRUG OFF THE MORTAL COIL AND GO TO MEET YOUR MAKER.

2) Specific location : Before the feet of The LORD God of Heaven and Earth.

3) Specific event : The Personal Judgment of your entire LIFE.

Warning Details : If you have DIED in UTTER DISBELIEF in The Holy Scriptures - WILLINGLY REJECTING The Salvation Freely Offered through Belief in and Baptism THROUGH The Holy Name of The Lord JESUS CHRIST, then you WILL be sent to HELL.

Whether you believe there is a Hell is irrelevant to the FACT that Hell EXISTS, as DOES The Lake of Fire.

If you DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THIS RISK, and DO WANT TO HEED THIS PROPHECY, then you Can Be SAVED.

How? Become a Born Again, Fully Baptized, Believing Christian.
That's The Prophecy...Not what GzuzKryzt meant, but CAN SAVE MILLIONS as GzuzKryzt suggested.

Here is The Prophetic Scripture GzuzKryzt requested for Support :-

Mark 16 : The Word of JESUS CHRIST...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 16 :

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; (NB Heaven is Abraham's bosom)

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Okay - there you have your humdinger Prophecy of a Future Event for ALL mankind that REFUSES The Water and Blood of The Life of The Living Saviour that was Crucified for your SIN and MINE.

JESUS Rose from The Dead -

Question is :

"Will YOU be persuaded??????"

[prewitt81]

Ah yes, the "God loves you so much that he'll torture you if you don't love him back" defense.

[The_Fire]

And here's a readable version.....

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Greetings again O masse debaters...

Well, the ridicule and nonsense posted herein has achieved one salient FACT..

We WILL file a Writ on Randi and let The Judge decide.

For the Record, the Application WAS accepted.

For the Record, The Nahum Prophecy STANDS ALONE as perfectly Translated - NOT Interpreted my friends, Translated - there is a BIG Difference.

Translation is REQUIRED - hence the need for the prophetic gifting.

For the record : Prophecy is NOT "prediction".. True Prophecy is When GOD Speaks and Reveals His Plan for The Future.

For the record : Since 1974, over 70 future events have been revealed to me in night visions, day visions and IN WRITING, in advance.

You needn't concern yourselves with wanting to know what they were.

ALSO : Ghengis Khan was NOT the Daniel person Prophesied, BECAUSE it was in "The Latter Time of Their Kingdom" - IF you check carefully, their kingdom refers to Medes and Grecia, BY TRANSLATION Alphabetical language groups - that is Alpha Beta - GREEK - Only the language countries of Europe, using the Alphabet FULLY EMBRACED Christ and His Church - and came under attack for doing so.

Hitler AROSE out of Catholic / Protestant Germany.

IF YOU HAD THE FAITH TO "SEE" you would then SEE that Daniel Prophesied The Holocaust "AND HE SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY AND THE HOLY PEOPLE"

Over 6 million Jews and multitudes of Catholics and Christians were CONSUMED in the Second World War...

Stalin and other dictators PALE by comparison with Adolph Hitler.

Also, it was in The Latter Time of their kingdom - Ghengis Khan's era was NOT in The Latter Time...

Only with a prophetic eye and gift can these Matters be TRANSLATED now...

Clearly, no-one else Posting in this Forum is a Baptized, Believing Christian saint, so the True Gift of prophecy WILL elude you until the day you Repent and Turn your lives over to Christ - THEN, and only THEN, you may get to Eat of The Fruit of Tree of Life, and The Holy Ghost MAY bestow upon you the gift of prophecy...

It is INDEED By Faith - NOT clever argument nor fleshly wisdom.

However, picking up the mantle of an earlier Challenge in this very post :

BEHOLD :-

In Reply to GzuzKryzt's post :-

Elijah777, you may have good intentions. Your heart may be pure, your mind may feature utmost lucidity.

Convince us by making a prediction of a future event. Use whatever scripture you deem helpful.

Please give us, in advance to the event prophesied:

1. A specific date & time.
2. A specific location.
3. A specific event.

You will not only undoubtedly convince millions of people of your wisdom, you will also save lots of human lives by helping identify a catastrophic, disastrous, horrible event BEFORE its occurence.

Thank you, Elijah777.

REPLY :-

Dear All - Here is The Prophecy that the WHOLE WORLD ought to pay attention to :-

NB : Not interested in anyone concerning themselves about my wisdom, BUT - MILLIONS OF LIVES CAN BE SAVED IF THE PROPHECY BELOW IS INDEED HEARKENED UNTO AND HEEDED FULLY - Amen

1) Specific date and time : The EXACT MOMENT AFTER YOU SHRUG OFF THE MORTAL COIL AND GO TO MEET YOUR MAKER.

2) Specific location : Before the feet of The LORD God of Heaven and Earth.

3) Specific event : The Personal Judgment of your entire LIFE.

Warning Details : If you have DIED in UTTER DISBELIEF in The Holy Scriptures - WILLINGLY REJECTING The Salvation Freely Offered through Belief in and Baptism THROUGH The Holy Name of The Lord JESUS CHRIST, then you WILL be sent to HELL.

Whether you believe there is a Hell is irrelevant to the FACT that Hell EXISTS, as DOES The Lake of Fire.

If you DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THIS RISK, and DO WANT TO HEED THIS PROPHECY, then you Can Be SAVED.

How? Become a Born Again, Fully Baptized, Believing Christian.
That's The Prophecy...Not what GzuzKryzt meant, but CAN SAVE MILLIONS as GzuzKryzt suggested.

Here is The Prophetic Scripture GzuzKryzt requested for Support :-

Mark 16 : The Word of JESUS CHRIST...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 16 :

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; (NB Heaven is Abraham's bosom)

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Okay - there you have your humdinger Prophecy of a Future Event for ALL mankind that REFUSES The Water and Blood of The Life of The Living Saviour that was Crucified for your SIN and MINE.

JESUS Rose from The Dead -

Question is :

"Will YOU be persuaded??????

[Gr8wight]

Well, the ridicule and nonsense posted herein has achieved one salient FACT..

We WILL file a Writ on Randi and let The Judge decide.

Excellent! Let us know how that goes.

[Metullus]

*snip*
For the Record, the Application WAS accepted.
Which fact you have yet to establish. What you have established is that your application was rejected, and done so in language that does not leave much room for misunderstanding.

Good luck in your lawsuit.

[Moochie]

Sheesh, Elijah777, your posts take too long to scroll through in order to reach a post I actually care to read.

Do you realize your posts carry about as much weight as The Da Vinci Code?

M.

[Gr8wight]

For the Record, the Application WAS accepted.


Which fact you have yet to establish. What you have established is that your application was rejected, and done so in language that does not leave much room for misunderstanding.

Good luck in your lawsuit.

Actually, the application was accepted. However, after discussion, the claim was rejected. Elijah777 seems to be unable to understand the distinction.

[Metullus]

Sheesh, Elijah777, your posts take too long to scroll through in order to reach a post I actually care to read.

Do you realize your posts carry about as much weight as The Da Vinci Code?

M.
Do you really think that his posts carry that much weight? Moochie, you are a generous soul...

[drkitten]

Greetings again O masse debaters...

Well, the ridicule and nonsense posted herein has achieved one salient FACT..

We WILL file a Writ on Randi and let The Judge decide.

Smirk. I hope your lawyer hasn't taken this case on contingency.


For the Record, the Application WAS accepted.

When? Where can we verify this?


For the Record, The Nahum Prophecy STANDS ALONE as perfectly Translated - NOT Interpreted my friends, Translated - there is a BIG Difference.

Absolutely. I've done translation work myself.

The difference is -- when you interpret, you make sh*t up.
When you translate, you make sh*t up that originally written in a different language.




For the record : Prophecy is NOT "prediction"..

No, prophesy, is, by definition, prediction.

From the OED definition of "prophesy" : "To utter predictions, to foretell future events (by inspiration, or generally)."



Thank you, Elijah777.

For the record, you are a multicoloured wingnut.



"Will YOU be persuaded??????"


Not by what you've posted so far, no.

[Metullus]

Actually, the application was accepted. However, after discussion, the claim was rejected. Elijah777 seems to be unable to understand the distinction.
Was the application accepted? I see where it is recieved, but I have not seen anything to suggest that it was accepted. Is not the claim an integral part of the application? My impression is that an application will not be accepted absent an acceptable claim.

I will need to re-read the RULES.

[Metullus]

Greetings again O masse debaters...I am overwhelmed by your cleverness...

[Moochie]

Do you really think that his posts carry that much weight? Moochie, you are a generous soul...

What can I say? I don't like poking fun at the afflicted.

Not hardly...

M.

[The_Fire]

Greetings again O masse debaters...


Hello to you to. A piece of advice: Loose the font changes and colours if you want to be taken seriously.



Well, the ridicule and nonsense posted herein has achieved one salient FACT..

We WILL file a Writ on Randi and let The Judge decide.

For the Record, the Application WAS accepted.


Cool. Let us know how it goes. My prophecy is that all it will do is loose you a lot of money on a cheap lawyer.



For the Record, The Nahum Prophecy STANDS ALONE as perfectly Translated - NOT Interpreted my friends, Translated - there is a BIG Difference.


Oh goodie, you are trying to score money on someone elses work. Hows that for honesty.


Translation is REQUIRED - hence the need for the prophetic gifting.


Not if the original prophet did his/her/it's job properly. How difficoult is it to say: "In 1933 the rise of a madman named Hitler will start. Please someone strangle him in the cradle."?


For the record : Prophecy is NOT "prediction".. True Prophecy is When GOD Speaks and Reveals His Plan for The Future.


Oh really?
dictionary.com:

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An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will.
A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.
Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing.
The vocation or condition of a prophet.
A prediction.

Now which part of "prediction" didn't you read?


For the record : Since 1974, over 70 future events have been revealed to me in night visions, day visions and IN WRITING, in advance.


Then how come you didn't step forward untill now?
All those innocents you could have saved....
Are you sure Hitler is the bad guy here?


You needn't concern yourselves with wanting to know what they were.


Quiet right. I'm more interested in the future and a TRUE, TESTABLE prediction.


ALSO : Ghengis Khan was NOT the Daniel person Prophesied, BECAUSE it was in "The Latter Time of Their Kingdom" - IF you check carefully, their kingdom refers to Medes and Grecia, BY TRANSLATION Alphabetical language groups - that is Alpha Beta - GREEK - Only the language countries of Europe, using the Alphabet FULLY EMBRACED Christ and His Church - and came under attack for doing so.

Hitler AROSE out of Catholic / Protestant Germany.

IF YOU HAD THE FAITH TO "SEE" you would then SEE that Daniel Prophesied The Holocaust "AND HE SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY AND THE HOLY PEOPLE"


Evidence?


Over 6 million Jews and multitudes of Catholics and Christians were CONSUMED in the Second World War...


Not to mention homosexuals, political deviants, gypsies etc.


Stalin and other dictators PALE by comparison with Adolph Hitler.


Tell that to those whom got send to the Gulags....


Also, it was in The Latter Time of their kingdom - Ghengis Khan's era was NOT in The Latter Time...


Depends on how you define the Latter Time. Maybe it haven't happened yet?


Only with a prophetic eye and gift can these Matters be TRANSLATED now...


Again: If this was given by a divine being, why would there be a need for translation?


Clearly, no-one else Posting in this Forum is a Baptized, Believing Christian saint, so the True Gift of prophecy WILL elude you until the day you Repent and Turn your lives over to Christ - THEN, and only THEN, you may get to Eat of The Fruit of Tree of Life, and The Holy Ghost MAY bestow upon you the gift of prophecy...


Wrong. Was baptised. Grew up as a christian. Then turned:
A: Pagan
B: Witch


It is INDEED By Faith - NOT clever argument nor fleshly wisdom.


Cop out and doesn't make your case.



However, picking up the mantle of an earlier Challenge in this very post :



Finally!



BEHOLD :-

In Reply to GzuzKryzt's post :-

Elijah777, you may have good intentions. Your heart may be pure, your mind may feature utmost lucidity.

Convince us by making a prediction of a future event. Use whatever scripture you deem helpful.

Please give us, in advance to the event prophesied:

1. A specific date & time.
2. A specific location.
3. A specific event.

You will not only undoubtedly convince millions of people of your wisdom, you will also save lots of human lives by helping identify a catastrophic, disastrous, horrible event BEFORE its occurence.

Thank you, Elijah777.

REPLY :-

Dear All - Here is The Prophecy that the WHOLE WORLD ought to pay attention to :-

NB : Not interested in anyone concerning themselves about my wisdom, BUT - MILLIONS OF LIVES CAN BE SAVED IF THE PROPHECY BELOW IS INDEED HEARKENED UNTO AND HEEDED FULLY - Amen

1) Specific date and time : The EXACT MOMENT AFTER YOU SHRUG OFF THE MORTAL COIL AND GO TO MEET YOUR MAKER.


We all die. So far noone have come back so: Sorry, not testable. Not possible to prove. Not usable


2) Specific location : Before the feet of The LORD God of Heaven and Earth.


Sorry, wrong Pantheon. However, it is just as possible that you'll get to meet my Lady Life and my Lord Death after that event, so make sure you are not betting on the wrong horse. Me? I'll take it as it comes.


3) Specific event : The Personal Judgment of your entire LIFE.


Again: Not testifiable. Not useable. Try again.


Warning Details : If you have DIED in UTTER DISBELIEF in The Holy Scriptures - WILLINGLY REJECTING The Salvation Freely Offered through Belief in and Baptism THROUGH The Holy Name of The Lord JESUS CHRIST, then you WILL be sent to HELL.


Again: Wrong Pantheon, wrong belief system. You may end up there by violating the christian principles of leaving judging up to your God, but I'll, hopefully, be skinny dipping in the summerlands. Otherwise I've already arranged for Lucifer to DJ my housewarming party in the 8th level. Everyone here is invited off cause.


Whether you believe there is a Hell is irrelevant to the FACT that Hell EXISTS, as DOES The Lake of Fire.


To certain fractions of christianity mayhap. However as a none christian neither your God nor your Devil have any claim on my soul.


If you DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THIS RISK, and DO WANT TO HEED THIS PROPHECY, then you Can Be SAVED.


Sorry, but a Deity whom tries to garner a following by threating with eternal punishment isn't my cup of joe. Try somewhere else.


How? Become a Born Again, Fully Baptized, Believing Christian.
That's The Prophecy...Not what GzuzKryzt meant, but CAN SAVE MILLIONS as GzuzKryzt suggested.


And here I thought this was about a challenge claim, not prozelysing.
Got something testable up your sleeve or do you just keep sprouting words?



Here is The Prophetic Scripture GzuzKryzt requested for Support :-

Mark 16 : The Word of JESUS CHRIST...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Luke 16 :

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; (NB Heaven is Abraham's bosom)

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


Still not viable for the million as you do not provide a paranormal claim which can be tested here and now with scietific measurable results.


Okay - there you have your humdinger Prophecy of a Future Event for ALL mankind that REFUSES The Water and Blood of The Life of The Living Saviour that was Crucified for your SIN and MINE.


No. What we got is a preacher trying to convert the "heathen" sceptics not realising how many people beliving in a Deity there actually are here.


JESUS Rose from The Dead -


Evidence?


Question is :

"Will YOU be persuaded??????


Nope. Try again. I could use the laugh.

[Elijah777]

Thanks guys - do love you all of course.

As for God putting people in Hell - WELL, what do we do with our garbage down here on earth?

We BURN IT...

Truth is, NO-ONE gets to heaven (HAVING HEARD THE GOSPEL AND REJECTED IT)...

If you have NEVER heard of Christ and His Cross and Salvation through His Holy Blood By Faith - YES - then you are EXCUSED...and Judged solely on two things only - YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS and YOUR KNOWING THAT THE UNIVERSE IS CREATED...

However, Since The Time of The Resurrection UNTIL NOW - Multitudes HAVE heard and HAVE Rejected...

This is their WILFUL choice....

You DO have a Choice of course...

Hell or Heaven - EASY REALLY....

Trouble is, EVERYONE that has read This Post CANNOT NOW SAY they have NOT been WARNED !!

Right ?!

So, if you DON'T Believe The Gospel, you must ask yourself WHY don't I believe...

Is The Resurrection of The Son of God too difficult to grasp?

You may eagerly study the photos of Saturn and the sub-atomic structure of a human brain cell....

Which is MORE Miraculous?

If you CAN understand this question and answer wisely, then you WILL Know that Both are Part and PARCEL of the SAME Living God.

Here is the reason why : ENJOY READING :-

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[The_Fire]

You haven't read my post, have you? You are still preaching the wrong pantheon.


A readable version of the last post:


Thanks guys - do love you all of course.

As for God putting people in Hell - WELL, what do we do with our garbage down here on earth?

We BURN IT...

Truth is, NO-ONE gets to heaven (HAVING HEARD THE GOSPEL AND REJECTED IT)...

If you have NEVER heard of Christ and His Cross and Salvation through His Holy Blood By Faith - YES - then you are EXCUSED...and Judged solely on two things only - YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS and YOUR KNOWING THAT THE UNIVERSE IS CREATED...

However, Since The Time of The Resurrection UNTIL NOW - Multitudes HAVE heard and HAVE Rejected...

This is their WILFUL choice....

You DO have a Choice of course...

Hell or Heaven - EASY REALLY....

Trouble is, EVERYONE that has read This Post CANNOT NOW SAY they have NOT been WARNED !!

Right ?!

So, if you DON'T Believe The Gospel, you must ask yourself WHY don't I believe...

Is The Resurrection of The Son of God too difficult to grasp?

You may eagerly study the photos of Saturn and the sub-atomic structure of a human brain cell....

Which is MORE Miraculous?

If you CAN understand this question and answer wisely, then you WILL Know that Both are Part and PARCEL of the SAME Living God.

Here is the reason why : ENJOY READING :-

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

[ChristineR]

Hey, I base my decisions on the evidence. The evidence suggests that the Gospels are not accurate. Certainly there's no more evidence for the Bible than for then Qu'ran or many of the other holy books around.

[Tirdun]

Over 6 million Jews and multitudes of Catholics and Christians were CONSUMED in the Second World War...

Stalin and other dictators PALE by comparison with Adolph Hitler.

Your facts are as accurate as your prophesies.

- The purges of Stalin may have eclipsed Hitler's. Its difficult to say exactly how many died, estimates range from 4 to 20 million, but they absolutely do not "PALE by comparison".
- Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge killed between 1 and 2 million.
- Tojo killed ten million civilians during World War II. Heck, he attacked the Chinese (an OLD kingdom) so he may fit Daniel's prophecies too!

Hitler's singlemindedness and gruesome efficiency are certainly notable, but his totals are not. He just gets the most press of any dictator, which is probably why you've drafted his ghost into your prophetic games.

Also, it was in The Latter Time of their kingdom - Ghengis Khan's era was NOT in The Latter Time...
The latter time of WHO's kingdom? Ghengis fought in the latter time of the Xin and Chinese kingdoms. Suleiman the Magnificent and the Ottoman empire attacked the Persians at the very end of their ancient empire. This is the area in which Daniel LIVED and would have considered the Holy Land. Germany and western europe aren't part of any Christian or Hebrew holy land.

Only with a prophetic eye and gift
As in yours, which is the very foundation of the JREF refusal to deal with you. Your gift, your interpretation, your conclusions, etc are not objective and prove nothing.

Clearly, no-one else Posting in this Forum is a Baptized, Believing Christian saint
Including you. Now toddle off and find someone else to rant at.

[Odin]

"Will YOU be persuaded??????"

I might be Persuaded!!

But first I have some questions:

1 Will those who fail to accept the word of God burn in the Hellfire?

2 What happens to those who die without hearing the holy word?

3 Did your pastor turn his garage into a church?

[The_Fire]

And now the answer:


Thanks guys - do love you all of course.


Can't say it's mutual since I haven't meet you, let alone invited you to my bed. Off cause if I had, I doubt you had the energy to come here and sprout nonsense.


As for God putting people in Hell - WELL, what do we do with our garbage down here on earth?

We BURN IT...


Wrong. I recycle. Paper/Glass goes in one container, so does cans etc.
Old clothes gets send to Africa or other places where they need it or get refitted into cleaning rags.
And vegetables goes into my parents garden.
In religion, this is called reeincarnation.


Truth is, NO-ONE gets to heaven (HAVING HEARD THE GOSPEL AND REJECTED IT)...


Good. Sounds like a pretty boring place when all you do is sit around all day playing a harp.
Besides: Wrong pantheon.


If you have NEVER heard of Christ and His Cross and Salvation through His Holy Blood By Faith - YES - then you are EXCUSED...and Judged solely on two things only - YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS and YOUR KNOWING THAT THE UNIVERSE IS CREATED...


Ok, where did anyone ask you about that? And I don't believe in ID. Wrong pantheon and religion again.
And I did know about christianity, remember? I grew up as one? Funny thing is I've never been as happy as I've been since I rejected it.


However, Since The Time of The Resurrection UNTIL NOW - Multitudes HAVE heard and HAVE Rejected...

This is their WILFUL choice...


You DO have a Choice of course...


Thank you. And I've made my choice.


Hell or Heaven - EASY REALLY....


Again: Neither your heaven nor your hell have a claim on me as I am not a christian.


Trouble is, EVERYONE that has read This Post CANNOT NOW SAY they have NOT been WARNED !!


Noted. But not testifiable. Still no go on the challenge. And still the wrong pantheon. I can't wait untill you meet the old man with the beard.....


Right ?!


Are you asking or stating?


So, if you DON'T Believe The Gospel, you must ask yourself WHY don't I believe...


Your gospel is in the wrong religion. I don't believe it.
I'm not even sure it's a good piece of fiction.



Is The Resurrection of The Son of God too difficult to grasp?



Provide evidence for said event and we'll talk again.



You may eagerly study the photos of Saturn and the sub-atomic structure of a human brain cell....

Which is MORE Miraculous?


That is a result of science. It can be tested. Your claim can't.
A miracle would be tangible, scientific evidence of the existance of your God. Or my Lord and Lady for that sake.
And that is the crucial difference between the two of us:
I don't need to prozelyse to feel secure in my belief nor do I need to count souls or feel afraid of eternal retribution to justify my religion. It just is.
Maybe you should take a look at the foundation of your own beliefs and remember this little thing from your bible:
"Thou see the splinter in Thy brothers eye but not the log in your own."


If you CAN understand this question and answer wisely, then you WILL Know that Both are Part and PARCEL of the SAME Living God.


Still wrong pantheon. And I'm not the one taking the challenge here. It is not up to me to provide evidence. It is up to you.


Here is the reason why : ENJOY READING :-

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.




Wrong religion againg. I am in favour of the Big Bang theory. I also believe in evolution, that the Earth is a semi-round shape and that I'll be watching "Dogma" later tonight as you are rapidly loosing your entertainment value.

[prewitt81]

If you have NEVER heard of Christ and His Cross and Salvation through His Holy Blood By Faith - YES - then you are EXCUSED...and Judged solely on two things only - YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS and YOUR KNOWING THAT THE UNIVERSE IS CREATED...

However, Since The Time of The Resurrection UNTIL NOW - Multitudes HAVE heard and HAVE Rejected...

This is their WILFUL choice....

You DO have a Choice of course...

Hell or Heaven - EASY REALLY....

Trouble is, EVERYONE that has read This Post CANNOT NOW SAY they have NOT been WARNED !!

Then why isn't the Christian position just to keep their mouths shut about it all? Think about it, if everyone hid their Bibles and never mentioned the J-word, we'd all be excused and in Heaven, right? Try that for a while.

[aggle-rithm]

Thanks guys - do love you all of course.

As for God putting people in Hell - WELL, what do we do with our garbage down here on earth?

We BURN IT...

Truth is, NO-ONE gets to heaven (HAVING HEARD THE GOSPEL AND REJECTED IT)...

If you have NEVER heard of Christ and His Cross and Salvation through His Holy Blood By Faith - YES - then you are EXCUSED...and Judged solely on two things only - YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS and YOUR KNOWING THAT THE UNIVERSE IS CREATED...

However, Since The Time of The Resurrection UNTIL NOW - Multitudes HAVE heard and HAVE Rejected...


So, if you preach the Gospel to someone who has never heard it, and they reject it, are YOU personally responsible for sending them to Hell?

Wouldn't it be better to just leave them alone and let them take the safer route?

ETA: Didn't notice that prewitt81 made a similar point above. This was originally brought up by an Episcopal missionary with similar beliefs who went to China and told 100,000 people about Jesus, but won only 10,000 converts. He realized to his great dismay that he had condemned 90,000 souls to Hell...

[prewitt81]

As for God putting people in Hell - WELL, what do we do with our garbage down here on earth?

Who are you to call anyone garbage? Don't insult me or my friends here. They are trying to combat ignorance and make the world a better place, and in doing so, have accomplished more than you ever will. You hold on to outdated stories of an angry god. What has fear and ignorance ever done to advance mankind?

Does it really make sense to you that a perfect god would make imperfect man and then punish him forever for being imperfect? I know I sound like a broken record sometimes, but the worst person who has ever lived doesn't deserve the punishment of the Christian Hell. If your god is more loving and compassionate and merciful than me, then he should feel the same way, right?

[Odin]

He has websites-

http://www.constellation7.org/

http://www.thelivingwordofgod.net/

The Christian equivalent of Timecube?

[Moochie]

Thanks guys - do love you all of course.




Heh heh heh. Yeah, right.

M.

[The_Fire]

He has websites-

http://www.constellation7.org/

http://www.thelivingwordofgod.net/

YUCK! YUCK! MY EYES ARE BURNING!!!!MY EYES ARE BURNING!!!!

Oh, my poor retinas.........
*returns to the JREF*
Ahhh....Blessed good layout....Holy be thy creation and blessed be Thy Webdesigner for bringing Thy soothing colours to Thy humble visitors....

I think that we should, at this point, consider it a natural law that all fundies have badly designed websites.......

The second one have been loading for quiet a while now.......

[MWare]

Can't say it's mutual since I haven't meet you, let alone invited you to my bed. Off cause if I had, I doubt you had the energy to come here and sprout nonsense.

She both battles the troll and turns me on. I am most impressed by the unimpressed female.

[Moochie]

I think that we should, at this point, consider it a natural law that all fundies have badly designed websites.......


I can only concur. That first one is a right dog's breakfast.

M.

[The_Fire]

She both battles the troll and turns me on. I am most impressed by the unimpressed female.

Thank you.:blush::D

[The_Fire]

I can only concur. That first one is a right dog's breakfast.

M.
Have you been able to get through to the second one yet? My browser is still loading.......

[Tirdun]

Historians date Daniel at ~200AD, not 500BC. Jewish sources after 500BC make no mention of him and his work betrays an ignorance of the time and place he is supposedly writing. That said, here is the "prophesy" you've identified with Hitler. The entire prophesy:

8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
8:18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.


Interesting, no? Persia, Media, Greece. These areas describe, should you be so inclined to read history or crack open an atlas, Elijah777, the old Ottoman Empire. Modern day Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Egypt and the Holy Lands where Daniel lived.

I'd have to say that Hitler is thus disqualified.

[LordoftheLeftHand]

I can only concur. That first one is a right dog's breakfast.

M.

The second one is even worse. I actually tried to read the words. Too many colors. Instead of trying to get his word out, he is making it so hard to read.... Kind of ironic.

LLH

[Moochie]

Have you been able to get through to the second one yet? My browser is still loading.......


Firefox says "Done," but is still "Loading"... I'll cancel.

M.

[LordoftheLeftHand]

Oh wow, he is a King James Version only guy!!!! Those guys are so funny, even the other fundies hate them!

LLH

[aggle-rithm]

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man
in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth
mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming
in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

...And he shows a picture of an airliner flying over.

Is this a JOKE?

[Tirdun]

He's pretty fixated on KJV versus modern translations. It was, after all, authorized.

I'm going to go look at the other one. If I don't come back, tell my wife I love her.

[The_Fire]

Firefox says "Done," but is still "Loading"... I'll cancel.

M. So did I. I even tried IE....

EDIT: I'll try from "work" tomorrow. They have a faster connection that I have currently got.

[aggle-rithm]

The second one is even worse. I actually tried to read the words. Too many colors. Instead of trying to get his word out, he is making it so hard to read.... Kind of ironic.

LLH


The annoying colors and graphics aren't enough -- he has actually learned to annoy people with javascript! There's a textbook in this somewhere....

[The_Fire]

Javascript can be usefull......just not always....Does he have one of those marquees in the statusbar?

[Elijah777]

I might be Persuaded!!

But first I have some questions:

1 Will those who fail to accept the word of God burn in the Hellfire?

YES - Without any doubt at all. Why? Because God cannot allow a SIN STAINED SOUL into Heaven - Heaven is for the PURE...

Here is THE PARADOX - "WE ARE ALL SINNERS - every person ever born since Adam FELL" - EXCEPT - The Lord JESUS CHRIST.

His Love and Mission IS TO SAVE MANKIND.....

How, BY BEING THE ATONING SACRIFICE - The Blood of The Holy Lamb CLEANSES THE TRUE BELIEVER by Faith in Christ - WITH THIS God is Well Pleased and The Eternal Life is BESTOWED....

ONLY THROUGH CHRIST - none other...

2 What happens to those who die without hearing the holy word?

These people are Judged based on TWO CRITERIA ONLY :-

1). Were they RIGHTEOUS in their life? ...ie : Conscience and Guilt for any sinful things they thought and did and tried their best to live a "good and clean life"

2). They "Knew" there IS A GOD - The Creator of ALL MATTER and ALL EXISTENCE and ALL LIFE.

Under these TWO Criteria, they are ACCEPTED with Christ and God - This means MERCY AND FORGIVENESS on the Stain of SIN and therefore - ENTRY INTO HEAVEN...Amen

ACTS CHAPTER TEN

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


3) Did your pastor turn his garage into a church?

Nice question - EXCELLENT - bordering on the retrospective prophetic indeed.

ANSWER :

a). i don't have an earthly pastor - My personal Pastor IS The Lord JESUS CHRIST Himself - Thank you Father for everything past...

b). The True ANSWER is YES on both translations :-

(i) The ENTIRE faithful and Holy Church GLOBALLY, that Daily Follow Christ By His Gospel WERE Garbage BUT Saved By Grace to BECOME The Church - Amen

This is what The Church REALLY IS ...

(ii) Multitudes of Faithful Assemblies GLOBALLY, with human pastors, ARE THE EXACT SAME THING....A Sinner hears The Word - BELIEVES and Get's Saved BY BAPTISM and Following on to Know The Lord Through His Holy Gospel. - Amen

SO yes.."My Pastor turned his garbage into a church"

================================

ROMANS CHAPTER THREE

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

ROMANS CHAPTER FIVE

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

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FINALLY :- WILL POST FURTHER DETAILS OF CLAIM EVIDENCE - not hitherto discussed or revealed - These Revelations WILL indeed Conclude The Matter - The Lord WILLING ...Since they comprise Parts Two and Three of The Claim as WRITTEN...Amen

[The_Fire]

Still no evidence of anything than you continiously quoting the wrong pantheon and religion.

[Odin]

Have you been able to get through to the second one yet? My browser is still loading.......

It's almost the same, but with the King James Version comparison image from the first site as the background, making it even harder to read.

[The_Fire]

It's almost the same, but with the King James Version comparison image from the first site as the background, making it even harder to read.
All that "holier than thou" attitude must have somehow managed to push out common sense of colors, readability and layout sense. I did better with my first page than this and I was a total Noob......

ETA: CSI is on, gotta go....

[Odin]

SO yes.."My Pastor turned his garbage into a church"



GARAGE not GARBAGE.

[Ririon]

GARAGE not GARBAGE. But weren't we supposed to burn garbage? Oh well, off to burn some churches, then...

[thaiboxerken]

A real prophecy would be stated in clear and consise terms. Example:

On June 4th, 2014 at 1400 hour and 30 seconds, Delta flight 745 will crash into the cross-section of Tursk and Ruric streets in the city of Metropolis.

If that prediction came true, it would be very, very hard for anyone to doubt this is a prophecy.


However, prophecies that people tend to claim are true are such as this:

In the year of celebration, when the sun is high and stars are invisible. A bird will dive to the ground for it's lunch. This will happen in a large city, somewhere on earth.

[alfaniner]

...A readable version of the last post:

I beg to differ. Your version was perhaps more legible, but nonetheless, not any more readable.

[Tirdun]

Well, BEHOLD, for The Record, here are just THREE Revelations below the line that were rejected.

1- The prophesy by Daniel clearly refers to events that occur in a kingdom in the middle east in areas known then as Persia and Media. Today it is known as Iraq, Iran and Turkey. This cannot refer to Hitler. Your first prophetic interpretation is wrong.
2- Chernobyl means "black stalks". Wormwood is Polyn. (Ripley Twenty-Nine beat me to it!) and your "heavy water" connection is nonsense. Your second prophetic interpretation is wrong.
3- Nahum's prophesy is directed at the Assyrian Empire. He specifically mentions Nineveh in 2:8, which you conveniently truncate. The entire book is nothing but a poem dedicated to the destruction of a hated enemy. Your third prophetic interpretation is wrong.

[Moochie]

GARAGE not GARBAGE.


That was a very telling slip on Elijah's part.

Points to Elijah's fractured thought processes.

M.

[milesalpha]

To the fruit loop.

I won't quote your post here since it gives me a headache merely looking at it. To ther other things you seem to know nothing about, I will now agree with the other chap and add composition.

As your your claim about Hitler, the other poster was quite correct. Stalin's purges and genocides far outweigh those of Hitler (I now have to insert a statement here noting that I do think Hitler was an incredible bastard who killed millions or I'll be called a nazi supporter over on LC). For that matter it is now considered likely that Pol Pot has exceeded Stalin.

For the record the only Christian sect that had any real suffering under the Nazis were the Jehovah Witnesses. The Jews go without saying of course. While there was a great deal of rabble rousing within the Nazi party to go after the Churches in general, it was never politically expedient to do so. Indeed the churches had among the greatest success in changing Hitler's mind on policy. It is the Catholics who can take credit for halting his euthanasia campaign against the handicapped.

There are many things that are unique to Hitler, but neither the bible quotes nor your interpretations have been even remotely close. I'll let you know, and not to worry, I am not holding my breath.

[DJ Hexadecibel]

Many people have claimed to have won the challenge and been cheated from the money, why haven't any of them filed suit?

Because it's "not worth their time or effort"? Of course, that's what they want you to BELIEVE. . .(operative term here)

[Elijah777]

Garage - Garbage - same same....

Point is SINNERS are Saved By Grace and Faith....

To AVOID being Burnt - GET IN THE WATER OF LIFE - Amen

As for the lousy history above - Which Kingdom is Daniel referring to ? :

THEIR Kingdom ! - Where from?

21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

So we have THEIR KINGDOM referring to FOUR KINGDOMS from Grecia...

As stated before - GRECIA is GREEK is ALPHA - BETA is Alphabetical Kingdoms.

Which FOUR MAIN ALPHABETICAL LANGUAGE KINGDOMS appeared in THE LATTER TIME ?

Portugal, Spain, France and Great Britain - ALL CHRISTIAN DOMINONS...

All Spread The Church one way or another...The NEW TESTAMENT was written in Greek.

The Main Language of The Church in the early centuries was LATIN the founder of Italian, Spanish etc.. and the Euro Tongues have their roots therein.

Latin required THE GREEK ALPHABET modified for our Written purposes.....

NOT pictogram languages....NOT Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Hebrew, or any of those languages that are NON-ALPHABETICAL...

Nay - Alphabetical languages...

So, in the Latter Time of THEIR kingdom - PLURAL....

A King (GERMAN) Arose - HITLER...this is the man Daniel Prophesied...

You can say what you like....

In Daniel's day, a King meant a Ruler, even a kingdom....by extension... in some areas....

HITLER was the most evil man to walk the earth...

YES - An ANTICHRIST....

Also, the only Prophecy in the Bible that REFERS to a FACE - "Fierce Countenance"

Since ALL THE PROPHECIES will be revealed and translated - we are GOING TO NEED A FACE for this one....

Can you NOW SEE THAT WICKED FACE ? - Seig Heil - Seig Heil...

Sure - Daniel wrote about Europe and The Collapse of morals inside that vast Christian conglomerate - TRANSGRESSORS COME TO THE FULL...

He also PROPHESIES The Holocaust.....

Finally, and i am off to sleep after this.....

Nahum's Prophecy APPLIES perfectly to today's automobile, highway system..

i don't care whether you believe it or not...

I AM TELLING YOU !!!

Prophecies are HIDDEN throughout The Holy Bible - MEANT TO BE READ AND STUDIED NOW...

However unless you have a prophetic gift all you will do is argue and read the word FLAT...

i see it in FULL COLOUR VIDEO pictures of History past....

Hence also, the secrets hidden in my colour coded web work.

You NEED to slow down and read SLOWLY and...of course...YOU WILL NEED The Holy Spirit to grasp The Full Richness and Depth...

Sorry to say, after reading the iniquity and disbelief and pagan nonsense you guys have been spouting....you CLEARLY do NOT have The Holy Spirit...

Hence this Post in the First Place...

As for you ... you SINFUL AND WICKED LADY...GET ON YOUR KNEES AND REPENT....

How dare you BETRAY THE LORD AND BECOME A PAGAN WITCH...

You NEED TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF...

You are a DISGRACE.....

You BELONG TO SATAN and will BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.....

Of Course...The Lord WILL HAVE MERCY ON YOU, if you Repent and Return back to the Sheepfold from whence you have strayed into that sexually deviant, DEVIL CULTURE....

Don't tell me you were BAPTIZED either - you were just Christened as a baby... THAT IS NOT THE BAPTISM ....

Get on your knees and ask for God's Forgiveness....

He does NOT promise you another breath.....you take your chances.....

Get OUT of that Coven of Sickness and find a good Christian man to help you RECOVER....

Will be Praying for your SOUL...

WILL POST THE FINAL SIGN AND WONDER SENT TO RANDI in April 2004 with the FULFILMENTS TRANSPIRING BETWEEN AUGUST 2004 - AUGUST 2005 a little later...

Good Night and READ YOUR BIBLE.....

[ChristineR]

Troll, paranoid schizophrenic, or just looking for a date?

I was baptized. :) Truly.

[Darat]

I was baptised and they've never revoked it as far as I know.

It's true :)

[Aepervius]

And despite trying to get it revoked at my local church, they made it complicated to make me strike out their register. Heck at this time I am not even sure they really did erase me from it.

it's true :).

[prewitt81]

WILL POST THE FINAL SIGN AND WONDER SENT TO RANDI in April 2004 with the FULFILMENTS TRANSPIRING BETWEEN AUGUST 2004 - AUGUST 2005 a little later...

Oh do hurry.

[nathan]

Garage - Garbage - same same....
hey, you were doing so well Me & Mrs Me almost got excited, until ...

[ B ][ COLOR="DarkGreen" ][ SIZE="3" ]As for you ... you SINFUL AND WICKED LADY...GET ON YOUR KNEES AND REPENT....

... this point. mm, Mrs Me was inspired to get on her knees and repent Me thoroughly ;)

[Starthinker]

Somehow, I don't think a troll would put so much time and effort into posts that are so long and, uh, formatted. I feel sorry for people who don't know the history of the bible, how it's changed, where it came from, and just believe it, fanatically, without question.

Elijah777, it was pointed out to me that the Armenian genocide by the Ottoman empire was predicted in the bible, can you refresh my memory where that was prophesized?

[Tirdun]

As for the lousy history above - Which Kingdom is Daniel referring to ? :
Greece, falling to the Persian empire. He spells it out pretty directly, minus your acrobatics with alphas and betas. Despite the prophetic poetry, Daniel (or the angel) gets pretty straightforward here, even using the capital letters you seem so taken with.

For whatever reason you seem unable to understand that your prophetic interpretations are illogical, twisted and empty of anything resembling truth or religious vision. You insist on taking nonsensical leaps in logic based purely on your foregone conclusions. JREF earns another nod of respect for bothering to respond to your claims at all, your lawsuit will earn you nothing but chuckles from the legal community.

Finally you have reverted to disgusting and spiteful rants against the beliefs of forum members. I am done with this thread, I am done discussing your fantasies and I urge you to find help. I will be updating my ignore list and look forward to conversing elsewhere without you.

[petre]

I notice when he posts prophecy certain words are bolded. Is there some reason the other text is not of equal importance?

[The_Fire]

As for you ... you SINFUL AND WICKED LADY...GET ON YOUR KNEES AND REPENT....


Ehh...No. I don't do blowjobs on strangers. That includes deities in case anyone wonders. But if you seriously need to get laid, I suggest either getting your better half to do the deed or take a walk down the local red light district. You can always repent like a good little sinner on sunday.


How dare you BETRAY THE LORD AND BECOME A PAGAN WITCH...


Fairly easy: I refused the confirmation at 14 and decided to think for myself. And since I haven't been struck by lightning, I must be doing something right.


You NEED TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF...


False assumption. If I were a witch and CHRISTIAN, then I would have a problem, but, as I've stated on numerous occasions: Wrong religion.


You are a DISGRACE.....


Not according to my CHRISTIAN parents. Besides, with your behaviour I think you should sweep before your own door. How was that again...."Do not judge unless you shall be judged yourself".

You BELONG TO SATAN and will BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.....


Lucifer and me are old driking buds. He's quiet fine with me not belonging to his religion, and him thus not having claim to my soul, as long as I continue to rack up the beers. BTW, he mumbled something about paying you a visit......Something about arrogance and mortal sin?



Of Course...The Lord WILL HAVE MERCY ON YOU, if you Repent and Return back to the Sheepfold from whence you have strayed into that sexually deviant, DEVIL CULTURE....


Sorry, all of my partners have been about legal age of consent with AT LEAST 5 years. I don't do craddle robbing . I leave that to certain types of christian clergy........And doing sheep?! Are you sure I'm the deviant here?
I would also again remind you that the Devil is part of the CHRISTIAN pantheon. There are no such character in my relious path. Well, maybe the Old Man with the Beard comes close, but then again he only eats the souls of those without compassion in their hearts whom wants to enslave others to their way of life....Hm....that sounded familiar.......


Don't tell me you were BAPTIZED either - you were just Christened as a baby... THAT IS NOT THE BAPTISM ....


Oh? I wonder if anyone told my priest that.

Get on your knees and ask for God's Forgiveness....


I already told you; I don't do blowjobs on strangers, including deities. Besides: I'm still not a Christian and as a non-christian I have violated none of the rules a christian should live by.

He does NOT promise you another breath.....


No, that's handled by my autonerous system. Located somewhere in the brainstem I believe?



you take your chances.....



What else is new? That is life.



Get OUT of that Coven of Sickness and find a good Christian man to help you RECOVER....



Yeah...right...First of all: I'm not in a coven, there's no need. Second: I'm not sick. Neither are any of my friends . And if I was sick, I would go to my doc, whom I think is an Atheist.....



Will be Praying for your SOUL...


And I'll be praying for yours come next full moon.


WILL POST THE FINAL SIGN AND WONDER SENT TO RANDI in April 2004 with the FULFILMENTS TRANSPIRING BETWEEN AUGUST 2004 - AUGUST 2005 a little later...


That's past diction since we are writing 2006. That does not qualify as a paranormal claim.


Good Night and READ YOUR BIBLE.....

No. Already did that. Bored me stiff....Untill my BF-out-of-wedlock came by with a sixpack and Lucifer smelled the beer......Been partying ever since.....

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I was baptised and they've never revoked it as far as I know.

It's true :)

Bad Darat! Bad! Where's the spritz bottle?


Oh, and Elijah777:
:words:
http://www.jwz.org/images/love_your_job.gif

[Hellbound]

The_Fire:
Not according to my CHRISTIAN parents. Besides, with your behaviour I think you should sweep before your own door. How was that again...."Do not judge unless you shall be judged yourself".

Matthew 7:1 through 7:6
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

IN other words, it's not a command to "not judge", but a warning that you will be judged yourself as you judge others.

Thus, if you are dismissive of others beliefs and feelings, and comdemn others out of hand, and act as if no one who thinks exactly like you do is worthy, then you'll be judged by the same standard.

If you condemn others to eternal punishment on the basis of, for example, a single comment made on an Internet chat board, then prepare to, yourself, be condemned eternally for each and every thing you've done wrong.

Of course, seeing as how you're a witch, I figure you are already familiar with this principle (threefold rule, isn't it?). SOMONE in this thread, however, hasn't been keeping up with thier religion.

:D

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Out of curiosity, The_Fire; what is your denomination?

[Lamuella]

I now want to see a rhetoric-off between this guy and Gene Ray. You could put that on Pay Per View.

[Elijah777]

The GREEN Reproval and Admonition IS FOR one lady only herein - KNOWN AS FIRE.....

She is the one i am praying for RIGHT NOW...Amen

=========================================

Glad to read you think you were Baptized those who have just posted...

Tell me PLEASE..do YOU REMEMBER the event?

Did you BELIEVE and Say SO Out Loud?

The Word of God CANNOT be broken...

"He that BELIEVETH and is BAPTIZED Shall be Saved"

"He that BELIEVETH NOT Shall BE Damned"

Baptism is for people old enough to BELIEVE and AGREE....

If you CANNOT REMEMBER the actual day - FULL WATER IMMERSION is usual...and NORMAL, WHEN AVAILABLE....then the Truth is you HAVE NOT BEEN BAPTIZED YET....

If you DID Confess JESUS as Saviour and went UNDER the Water and Up...

Then YES - you are Born Again...

By The Way - for people OVER puberty, the Word REPENT is key to this Understanding...

NOW, it is TRUE that many Fall Away..after their Baptism and DRIFT into disbelief and then Satan gets them...

HOWEVER, the Job of The Preacher is to WARN people of such devilish tricks, that they MAY Return unto The Lord...

The Final Conclusion is this - "The BAPTISM of The Holy Ghost"

If anyone TRULY has experienced this - THEY WILL KNOW...Please post your Testimony...

Randi WOULD like to interview you....

"Emmashanah Kee la O shah dannah rhee lahnya"

The Baptism of The Holy Ghost will be EVIDENCED by various Supernatural Signs and Wonders....

One thing is also for CERTAIN....

The Baptism of The Holy Ghost Comes upon those who Love God and The Lord JESUS Christ and are Called By Him...

They KNOW who they are and so does The Father...

Can any of the people above who testified to baptism CONFESS they Love The LORD God with ALL THEIR SOUL ???

This is The First and NON-NEGOTIABLE Commandment to be Considered for ETERNAL LIFE and Entry to The Kingdom of Heaven. (A very REAL Three Dimensional Place - A VERY, VERY LONG WAY AWAY indeed.....)

However, The Kingdom of God is ALSO Within YOU....If you LOOK deeply....

You will only need ONE Key to Open The Gate :-

Belief and Confession that JESUS CHRIST was Crucified, Resurrected and Ascended for the SIN of All Mankind, and that you BELIEVE he is The Only Begotten Son of God, Born of The Virgin Mary...Holy and Pure and Perfect.

This Understanding KEY is bathed in His Pure Blood to WASH away every bad thing you have ever said or done or thought (It is ALL RECORDED IN HEAVEN.....)

ALL THINGS ARE RECORDED IN HEAVEN - Everything, By The Trinity.

So, WITHOUT The Blood of Christ, The Record Remains AFTER DEATH....

WITH THE BLOOD OF CHRIST, By the above Testified Holy Truth - THE RECORD IS WIPED CLEAN.....

This is how we Receive ETERNAL LIFE.....

Since this is the YEAR 2006, after The Virgin Birth of The Messiah of ALL MANKIND, you MAY KNOW, as a Certainty JESUS CHRIST is Alive - 2006 years OLD (He may only be 1992 years old in His Resurrected Scarred Body - but that's another story)....

Therefore, if The Lord is VERY KIND, and you Honour His Gospel and Follow His Commandments - (which are NOT Grievious) You MIGHT still be alive on Earth when HE RETURNS....

This is The EXCITING POSSIBILTY...Because ISRAEL is back, after some 2700 years of PEELING AND SCATTERING....

Again - These Prophecies are in the Randi Claim Document.....

Ever wondered about all those strange "ARIEL" WHEELS and CROP CIRCLES???

All bets are OFF....

JESUS Is Lord.....

He COULD return tomorrow.....LITERALLY....

ARE YOU READY???????

Could you stand before Him???

He WILL shew The Scars in His Hands and Feet and LEFT Rib Side.

He LOOKS Like His Father Today....

Not that nice young man they MURDERED on The Cross some 1973 years ago - NAY....

The Resurrected Christ is LIKE JEHOVAH His Father - Like Father Like Son - Amen

Watch out - THE STORY IS TRUE !!!!!!!

Ever wondered why the Body of JESUS CHRIST has NEVER BEEN FOUND?

After ALL this time and dead sea scrolls and false gospels from Egypt and archaelogical digs???

ANSWER : He is NOT on this planet !!! YET.........................

His Holy Spirit is HERE - HOWEVER, and He is Sufficient for NOW....

May God Bless you and Keep you and Love you and Watch over you and Reveal His Perfect Truth unto you in The Mighty Name of The Lord JESUS CHRIST - Amen and Amen

BE SAVED !!!!!!!


1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

[Lamuella]

you will be damned to singularity unless you accept nature's simultaneous four day harmonic time cube!

[The_Fire]

The_Fire:


Matthew 7:1 through 7:6
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."


Thanks, huntsman, that was the verse I was looking for.


IN other words, it's not a command to "not judge", but a warning that you will be judged yourself as you judge others.

Thus, if you are dismissive of others beliefs and feelings, and comdemn others out of hand, and act as if no one who thinks exactly like you do is worthy, then you'll be judged by the same standard.

If you condemn others to eternal punishment on the basis of, for example, a single comment made on an Internet chat board, then prepare to, yourself, be condemned eternally for each and every thing you've done wrong.


[Childish voice]
oh-oh. SOMEONE in this thread are in trouble with his deityyy....
[/childish voice]


Of course, seeing as how you're a witch, I figure you are already familiar with this principle (threefold rule, isn't it?).


Yup. In Wicca. I practice a rather eclectic way of paganism though (number of practioners: 1 ;)), but I did look into that particular path for a while. Never got around to being formally initiated, but the Wiccan Rede does center arround the idea of Karma.
1 kick in the rear of a fundie= 3 kick in the rears to you.

Fortunately the more experienced Wiccans, I know a few and whom are not all witches to make a point clear, tends to see it this way; If kicking the fundie in the butt prevents a bigger disaster like said fundie lighting a stake with someone tied to it, then it's ok as the small "bad" karma is outweighed by the larger responsibility of preventing a bigger "Bad Karma" by ignoring it.

There are those off cause, most of them teens reading a certain Silver RavenWolf, whom are going to extremes. They also tend to believe that Uncle Gerry (Gerald B Gardner to the booknerds) actually described a more than 30.000 year old religion and not something he pulled out of his ass with a rather large source of inspiration from Aleister Crowley.

Please don't take those idiots seriously. There are, after all, morons within every religion. Unfortunately those morons are destroying a LOT for the rest of us.
(Wiccan Rede including the three fold law (http://www.wicca.com/celtic/wicca/rede.htm). Same side also have the Witches Creed (which I don't follow either), btw. They also used to have a rather nice article on the board about the history of Wicca, but it seems to be gone... )

I think more of it as a Action-Reaction thing: I kick a fundie in the but, I probably get arrested or the fundie hits me in the nogging with a bible :D.
And if the fundie have someone tied to a stake, then the legal ramifications of NOT kicking him in the butt are worse than a minor charge for violence.....



SOMONE in this thread, however, hasn't been keeping up with thier religion.
:D

Gee, I wonder whom you could be refering to....:p

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

you will be damned to singularity unless you accept nature's simultaneous four day harmonic time cube!

Can I take that as a prediction that when Andromada's galactic core collides with the Milky Way's that the Earth will be consumed by either Andromada's black hole, or the ensuing super black hole that results from the collision?(1)


(1) as opposed to (a) the Earth surviving and remaining in galactic orbit or (b) the Earth being flung into deep space.

:D

[Raphael]

[quote=Elijah777;1646812]
"Emmashanah Kee la O shah dannah rhee lahnya"

"Who put the Bop in the Bop she Bop sh Bop" Nyaaa!

[Lamuella]

Can I take that as a prediction that when Andromada's galactic core collides with the Milky Way's that the Earth will be consumed by either Andromada's black hole, or the ensuing super black hole that results from the collision?(1)


(1) as opposed to (a) the Earth surviving and remaining in galactic orbit or (b) the Earth being flung into deep space.

:D

you can take it as a prediction that Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton will have a catfight during a week long coke binge for all I care :)

[The_Fire]

Out of curiosity, The_Fire; what is your denomination?

Celtic Eclectic Pagan.
I've been digging around for as much historical correct information on the Tuatha de Dannan as I could, but there's a serious lack of material which means that I've had to "Borrow" from Wicca.
Besides beheading people seems so...yucky....

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

[quote=Elijah777;1646812]
"Emmashanah Kee la O shah dannah rhee lahnya"

"Who put the Bop in the Bop she Bop sh Bop" Nyaaa!

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[Lamuella]

klaatu berada nikto!

PAK CHOOIE UNF!

[Ririon]

Jeg hadde slutta å lese denne tråden for lenge siden om det ikke var for vår alles yndlingsheks!

[Hellbound]

Enchilada!

Burrito!

(Hey, not my fault I don't know any odd, obscure languages!)

The_Fire: That was just the first one of those verses I found. There's variations of the same verse in almost all the Gospels. You can get searchable access to multiple translations at www.bible.com (it's free).

Handy for finding those obscure verse you can't quite recall :)

[The_Fire]

The GREEN Reproval and Admonition IS FOR one lady only herein - KNOWN AS FIRE.....

She is the one i am praying for RIGHT NOW...Amen


I've already told you that I'll be be doing my own praying for you at the next full moon. There's no reason to press the issue.



"He that BELIEVETH NOT Shall BE Damned"


Oh, but I do believe. In my Lord and Lady, so I guess there's no danger of me being damned. Besides: Who says it isn't YOUR religion whom are wrong?.


"Emmashanah Kee la O shah dannah rhee lahnya"


Nice.
Reminds of something one poster asked about over at an alternative site:
"Omni Regaire Wa whan"
Apparently it was a spell. 10 brownie points to anyone whom can catch the fault.....


The Baptism of The Holy Ghost will be EVIDENCED by various Supernatural Signs and Wonders....


Which supernatural signs would that be and when will they happen? Just so I'll know when to break out my camcorder. After all, such things should bring in a steep price with the television stations....


Bla-bla-bla

Sorry nothing new. Nothing supernatural. Nothing which means you get the million.....

[The_Fire]

Jeg hadde slutta å lese denne tråden for lenge siden om det ikke var for vår alles yndlingsheks!

:hug1: Takker.

[The_Fire]

Enchilada!
The_Fire: That was just the first one of those verses I found. There's variations of the same verse in almost all the Gospels. You can get searchable access to multiple translations at www.bible.com (http://www.bible.com) (it's free).

Handy for finding those obscure verse you can't quite recall :)

THANK YOU! I've already bookmarked it.

[TJ]

What a pathetic OP.

I prophesy that upon the very morrow, I shall be debilitated by a slowing disorder. It shall be at once confusing and uncomfortable, I shall scarcely be able to void my bladder.

God shall heal me with his omnipotent biochemical might. Yeah, when god on high muddies the water and I consume from the brown waters, the lord shall heal me and my mental leprosy. Praise the lord!

We'll wait until tomorrow, and then I'll put in for the money.

[Gr8wight]

Nice.
Reminds of something one poster asked about over at an alternative site:
"Omni Regaire Wa whan"
Apparently it was a spell. 10 brownie points to anyone whom can catch the fault.....

Um...there's no such thing as spells?

[milesalpha]

Dear fruit loop,

You still haven't come close with a unique Hitler reference.

I do have to wonder why there was not an explosion of predictions from biblical theorists in the 1930s when Hitler burst upon the scene. It took you 70 odd years after the fact to come up with the "prediction"?

Do you think we could hook the Nostradamus guy up with this chap? They could duke it out over who should get the prize.

[LordoftheLeftHand]

...

If you CANNOT REMEMBER the actual day - FULL WATER IMMERSION is usual...and NORMAL, WHEN AVAILABLE....then the Truth is you HAVE NOT BEEN BAPTIZED YET....

If you DID Confess JESUS as Saviour and went UNDER the Water and Up...

Then YES - you are Born Again...

Notice how important the ritual is? - “FULL WATER IMMERSION” & “UNDER the Water and Up”.

I suppose if you don’t go all the way under it doesn’t count. Kind of funny that the creator of all things would allow the depth of your dunking to effect your eternal destination.

Sounds like ritual magic to me.


LLH

[Zep]

Sounds like neurons firing randomly to me...

[Mojo]

For the record : Since 1974, over 70 future events have been revealed to me in night visions, day visions and IN WRITING, in advance.

You needn't concern yourselves with wanting to know what they were.This is the bit I really like: Elijah has actual predictions of actual events, but they're a secret. :D

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Just out of curiosity, Elijah, now that we have established that Chernobyl does not mean "Wormwood," would you care to revise your prophecy?

[prewitt81]

Elijah777, you seem very good at spitting out other people's words, thoughts, and ideas. Do you have any of your own?

Some questions:
How old, in your opinion, are the youngest and oldest people in Hell?

Do you have one or more children? When they were, say, five years old, and knew much less than you about things, could they have done anything wrong that would've prompted you to punish them for a week? a month? a year?

Would physical abuse on someone who is mentally inferior to you be proper conduct for a loving parent?

Feel free to continue avoiding questions that make you think.

[hellaeon]

To gET YOUR poINt ACROSS use CAPS And COLOURS so yoU Dont LOok like YOu ARE crapping on.

[Beleth]

We WILL file a Writ on Randi and let The Judge decide.
Don't tell us what you coulda done,
or what you shoulda done...
Tell us what you already did.

(That's from a song from "Robots".)

For the Record, the Application WAS accepted.

For the Record, the Nahum Prophecy STANDS ALONE as perfectly Translated - NOT Interpreted my friends, Translated - there is a BIG Difference.

Translation is REQUIRED - hence the need for the prophetic gifting.

For the record: Prophecy is NOT "prediction".. True Prophecy is When GOD Speaks and Reveals His Plan for The Future.

For the record: Since 1974, over 70 future events have been revealed to me in night visions, day visions and IN WRITING, in advance.

You needn't concern yourselves with wanting to know what they were. You keep using that phrase.
I don't think it means what you think it means.

(That's a quote from "The Princess Bride".)


Do you want us to take you seriously? There's a real simple way for you to do so.
Would you like to know what it is?

[Elijah777]

Somehow, I don't think a troll would put so much time and effort into posts that are so long and, uh, formatted. I feel sorry for people who don't know the history of the bible, how it's changed, where it came from, and just believe it, fanatically, without question.

Elijah777, it was pointed out to me that the Armenian genocide by the Ottoman empire was predicted in the bible, can you refresh my memory where that was prophesized?

Daniel Chapter Eleven is a GIGANTIC Prophecy of The Birth, History and Final DEMISE of Islam.

All their atrocities are contained in ONE PLACE...If you Can "see".

The Oppression of women, The Crusades to STOP Islam destroying Europe at the turn of First Millennnia, Mosques ARE Prophesied IN THE LAST VERSE...

Terrorism, ALL NATIONS mentioned in Daniel Chapter Eleven ARE Moslem today, EXCEPT of course THE KING OF THE NORTH'S KINGDOM -

The Australian / British capture of Palestine in 1914-18 is Prophesied.

The JORDANIAN Ally status of the peoples of that zone is Prophesied.

The love of destruction by Islam DELIBERATELY by wanton attack is Prophesied.

The Ayatollah's Iranian Islamic Revolution of the 1980's is Prophesied.

The massive French Crusader Fortress in The Holy Land is Prophesied. (you can see that one today by pictures)

The collusion between certain "traitors within Christendom Old" and certain Islamic murdering maniacs is Prophesied.

Saladin can be found.

The subjection of the enemy of Israel - EGYPT OLD - is crystal clear.

The suffering of the horn of Africa is reasonably clear.

The FALSE NAME of God - ie "allah" is CRYSTAL CLEAR...

The current "temporary wealth" from the oil under the cursed desert is CLEAR.

The current WAR ON TERROR-ISLAM is Plain to SEE...

Vast tracts of 14 centuries of Islamic ABOMINATIONS ARE encapsulated in Deep Prophetic Scripture DANIEL 9-11 <smile - FROWN> - (not for the faint of heart)..when the history is studied honestly...

An excellent and VERY ACCURATE description of The Dome of The Rock - TEMPLE MOUNT "boil on the face of Jerusalem" can be CLEARLY DISCERNED...
(In The Porphetic)

This one is SUPPORTED By The Lord JESUS CHRIST - so FORGET Antiochus Epiphenes - IT WASN'T HIM - although he was a Type and Echo of that which was to Come and indeed Came and Indeed still IS...

The Power of The SWORD OF JEHOVAH is Clear NOW therein - even The American Military - GOD BLESS THE jer-USA-alem - Is-REAL...

However, by far my personal favourite is THE PROPHECY of the mosques in Israel and that entire ZONE....

Worthy enough to quote below :-

Forgive me for not using the usual COLOUR PROPHETIC EMPHASIS CODE in this post - you are going to have figure out where the eMpHaSiS is for your self....

Okay - well just "A Touch" <laughter>

Here we GO BELOW : - Mosques and THE FINAL DEMISE of allah and islam.

PS : Jeremiah and Isaiah and St.John The Divine - ALL Prophesy the "Shock and Awe" <Shekinah> Attack on Iraq in 2003 - and onwards until NOW...

The Palestinians can be found in Daniel 11...

The Invasion and Subsequent Routing of "the dethroned modern king of Babylon - Sadaam Hussein" in and from Kuwait - IS CRYSTAL Clear in Jeremiah..

Revelation and the Iraq War is LINKED therein...

The history and demise of Islam is THREADED throughout Holy Scripture...

Most especially the REASON that muham-MAD was LIKE HE WAS...and his Arab followers BECAME like they DID and HAVE....

This particular Islaimc REVELATION is ALSO in the Filed Randi Document Claim... Amen

Okay these two HOLY SCRIPTURES say more than ALL OF THE ABOVE..."When you have a prophetic EYE to SEE" - Amen

Love and Truth..

Daniel (9) Eleven

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

And now The Arabs and THE WHOLE REASON we have a violent and virulent Islam :-


Genesis 16

7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Selah

[Zep]

When whatever the crap you are smoking kicks in, it REALLY kicks in, doesn't it.

[Miss Whiplash]

12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.[/SIZE][/B]

Selah

I get it now! James Dean in East of Eden!

http://www.cinematical.com/images/2005/05/dean.jpg

[Elijah777]

Elijah777, you seem very good at spitting out other people's words, thoughts, and ideas. Do you have any of your own?

Some questions:
How old, in your opinion, are the youngest and oldest people in Hell?

Do you have one or more children? When they were, say, five years old, and knew much less than you about things, could they have done anything wrong that would've prompted you to punish them for a week? a month? a year?

Would physical abuse on someone who is mentally inferior to you be proper conduct for a loving parent?

Feel free to continue avoiding questions that make you think.

1 Peter 3

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Luke 18:16
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[The_Fire]

That idea of having colors disabled in posts seems more and more welcoming......

[The_Fire]

Oh, and that's still not paranormal.........

[Gr8wight]

Forgive me for not using the usual COLOUR PROPHETIC EMPHASIS CODE in this post - you are going to have figure out where the eMpHaSiS is for your self....

Daniel (9) Eleven

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

And now The Arabs and THE WHOLE REASON we have a violent and virulent Islam :-


Genesis 16

7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

8 And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.

9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Selah

Promises, promises.

[Zep]

1 Peter 3

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Luke 18:16
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 14

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
No, see... You were asked for YOUR thoughts on the matter, NOT a colourfully childish rendition of Chick tracts and biblical verse. Unless, of course, you haven't got a thought of your own in your head...



Or, by chance, someone slipped you a tab of LSD...

[The_Fire]

Or, by chance, someone slipped you a tab of LSD...

That actually sounds feasible based on previous posts by this character.....:D

[The_Fire]

Um...there's no such thing as spells?

ahemm....no, not quiet...Hint: It's in the translation......And no, it's not a dead language....

[rjh01]

Anybody taking any bets on how long before Elijah777 is banned? I bet 1 month and 3 days. This is two days longer than WanderinWTF. Either that or today.

[Mojo]

We WILL file a Writ on Randi and let The Judge decide.Congratulations! Your very first actual prediction! Unfortunately, predicting that you yourself will do something and then doing it hardly counts as paranormal, does it? And I very much doubt that it will come to pass, anyway.

[nathan]

(That's a quote from "The Princess Bride".)
I know something you don't know.

[Kimpatsu]

I know something you don't know.
I'm not left-handed either.

[skullerello]

"I know something you don't know. I know something you don't know" Isn't that what the Ghost of Christmas Present singsongs to Bill Murry's character in Scrooged?

[Mojo]

Or, by chance, someone slipped you a tab of LSD...Looking at some of Elijah's posts gives me the feeling that someone may have slipped me something...

[MRC_Hans]

Sambal Oelek. Yes, a sort of chili paste. Contains lots of chili seeds. Hot. Even a Texan would consider it hot.

Hans

[Curnir]

I was about to write some nice lines from a Tom Clancy book which I got by flipping the pages and pointing at random, and proving how Tom Clancy was a prophet... the I recalled rule 4... oh well.

[prewitt81]

No, see... You were asked for YOUR thoughts on the matter, NOT a colourfully childish rendition of Chick tracts and biblical verse. Unless, of course, you haven't got a thought of your own in your head...



Or, by chance, someone slipped you a tab of LSD...

Who needs a brain when Jesus does your thinking for you? :rolleyes:

[Mojo]

I was about to write some nice lines from a Tom Clancy book which I got by flipping the pages and pointing at random, and proving how Tom Clancy was a prophet... the I recalled rule 4... oh well.As long as you are only quoting short extracts for the purpose of discussion you're probably OK. From the Membership Agreement: Copyrighted content may be posted within the doctrine of "fair use" therefore quoting of brief portions of articles, books, emails, or bulletin board messages, relevant to discussion, is permitted. All quoted material should be credited to the original author or publisher and a link provided (when available) to the original work. It is not possible to declare precisely how much material may be quoted, as it will vary from article to article. We suggest quoting no more than a paragraph.

[GreyPilgrim]

Luke 18:16
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.


Enough. I'm starting to feel nauseous. I'm actually HEARING him speak as I'm reading, with the various changes in font size and colour intensity equating to the pitch and strength of his voice. There seems to be almost a sexual frenzy in his voice. If I don't stop reading this, I'm going to start imagining him wearing a hairshirt, elastic band on his testicles, masturbating furiously as he's typing, and thats NOT an image I want in my hea.....oh crap...to late...

[Mojo]

... and thats NOT an image I want in my hea...Thank you so much for sharing that image. :covereyes

[DJ Hexadecibel]

. . .Armenian genocide by the Ottoman empire. . .

Full of FURNITURE, for some reason. . .

[DJ Hexadecibel]

Ehh...No. I don't do blowjobs on strangers. That includes deities in case anyone wonders.

Curses! I was certain Hermes could've used a Hummer. . . er. . . I mean an H3? :blush:

[ChristineR]

I've always contended that this was the real motivation for trollism, which is why I only respond to trolls when I'm in a nasty mood.

She--she's got boobs! BOOBS! She's answering me, online...on your knees, woman...ooh...boobs...a good man needs--I mean you need a good--OH, OH, OH!

(Apologies for the risque post.:blush: )

[aggle-rithm]

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.



Elijah777,

Isn't there a sin against inflicting unnecessary seizures on people?

[Elijah777]

Guess you just don't get it...

No problem....you will..given a little time....

Talking of time, here's a simple "prediction" Lord Willing...

Will Release the FULL PROPHETIC DOCUMENT already in the "vaults" of Randi..that started this intriguing exchange in the first place, within ONE PROPHETIC SECOND - Note the time now....

When the next post is in, One Prophetic Second will have elapsed...

Once you understand what a Prophetic Second is, iT will help to decode WHEN the Abomination that Maketh Desolate was ACTUALLY set up...

The Prophecies ARE Coded and Hidden - They can ONLY be Translatd AFTER THE Event has ocurred in Real Time...

This precludes SELF FULFILLMENT regarding Specifics....

Enought to Say - We are in The Start of The Third Day from Christ and The Seventh Day from Adam - The Father Rests on The Seventh Day and The Son Rises on The Third....

So - we are ALL alive at a very special time in His-Story...

"WATCH"....

Daniel 12

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

[DJ Hexadecibel]

you can take it as a prediction that Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton will have a catfight during a week long coke binge for all I care :)

Sweet. . .I'd pay to see that, especially since Lohan's been bulking up, yaknowhamsayin?

[aggle-rithm]

Hey, I just came across this in the book of Epithelia:

And a hideous TROLL shall appear among them; and he shall speak exceeding foolishness, and nonsense shall he spread upon the winds of the earth!

For behold, he answereth not any direct questions, and when he is beseeched upon to grant unto us his own thoughts, Biblical quotations will he regurgitate, all the days of his life!

And, yay, the garishness of his fonts will smite the peoples, and they will be struck dumb by the incoherence of his posts.

AMEN!


Do I win?

;)

[Curnir]

Sambal Oelek. Yes, a sort of chili paste. Contains lots of chili seeds. Hot. Even a Texan would consider it hot.

Hans

Well a Texan maybe, but a (mad) scandinavian can eat it by the spoonfull :D

[aggle-rithm]

The Prophecies ARE Coded and Hidden - They can ONLY be Translatd AFTER THE Event has ocurred in Real Time...


So they are indistinguishable from random associations drawn between unrelated events.

Therein lies the problem. If you read Randi's book, "The Mask of Nostradamus", you will understand why he would never take this seriously.

[TobiasTheViking]

Well a Texan maybe, but a (mad) scandinavian can eat it by the spoonfull :D
Glad you had mad in paranthesis, since i don't i'm mad, but i can eat it by the spoonfull

[DJ Hexadecibel]

Words of wisdom from a funny (and bitter) man to ponder over:

Religion easily has the greatest bull**** story ever told. Think about it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry for ever and ever 'til the end of time...but he loves you. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased"]

A man came up to me on the street and said I used to be messed up out of my mind on drugs but now I'm messed up out of my mind on Jeeesus Chriiist. [George Carlin]

And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way.

If there is a God, may he strike THIS AUDIENCE dead!

See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay?

All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit.

If there is a God, may he strike ME dead.

See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg.

And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind!

I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh?

God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You! -George Carlin (You Are All Diseased)

[Kenny 10 Bellys]

Why do religious fruitcakes use CAPITALS! and exclamations at EVERY OPPORTUNITY! Is the Bible written that way, or is it their own humble attempt to sound like Charlton Heston in text form? I think the public should be told.

[steenkh]

The Prophecies ARE Coded and Hidden - They can ONLY be Translatd AFTER THE Event has ocurred in Real Time...

What you are saying that when something has happened, you can always retro-fit some scripture so that it seems to fit! That is worthless, and certainly not paranormal. Anybody can do that with any book.

[DJ Hexadecibel]

Or, by chance, someone slipped you a tab of LSD...


Sounds yummy. . .only I prefer the organics of psilocybin, personally. The Colors, man. . . the COLORS!

[DJ Hexadecibel]

I was about to write some nice lines from a Tom Clancy book which I got by flipping the pages and pointing at random, and proving how Tom Clancy was a prophet... the I recalled rule 4... oh well.

"RULE 4: No cheating!" (Merlin, The Sword in the Stone) :D

[DJ Hexadecibel]

Guess you just don't get it...

No problem....you will..given a little time....


Insert maniacal "Moo-Hoo-Ha-Ha!" here.

[milesalpha]

Dear fruit loop,

In gazing carefully into my bowl of Alpha-bits this morning, the details of every significant event of the next millenia was revealed unto me by the great spirit - Post Cereals -. Of course, because the milk in the bowl ordered me not to reveal them, I cannot mention any of the events until long after they happen. However, it is clear that my claim outweighs yours since I do not require the use of random bold letters and colours to make my claim.

Woe unto the unbelievers of Post!
Woe unto the unbelievers of the Toronto Maple Leafs!
Whoa! I just got another hindsight prophecy....Bush is a bonehead! (actually I got this one before he was elected, so it is a real prophecy).