Lake Monster?

[davidsmith73]

Never seen quite a clear "monster" photo as this. What the photo shows is a different matter of course. Wondered what you all thought of it. Hoax?

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/04/17/argentine_lake_monst.html

[Anti_Hypeman]

Looks like he smeared vasoline on his lense before taking the picture.

[Hellbound]

Well, it's notoriously difficult to judge size without external references, but it appears that whatever it is, it's small.

Look at the ripples in the water...they do look like ripples, not waves.

Besides, I've yet to see any creature swim with humps out of the water like that. Watch a snake swim sometime, it's enlightening :)

There's also not very much of a wake produced, and I'd love to see it float in that position.

Nope, hoax. 99.5% sure of it.

[davidsmith73]

Looks like he smeared vasoline on his lense before taking the picture.

Yes, the photo does look conveniently blurred for such a close up shot, but I'm no photographer. Perhaps he didn't have time to adjust the focus

[gfunkusarelius]

so ridiculous. if it was a "sea creature", the only way it could really be out of focus is if the person happened to have been in a macro mode to shot a pic of a flower beforehand. anyway, there are so many clear indicators this is a hoax. besides the ones mentioned already, its also a suspicious angle. (i didnt read the report but) was the photographer flying ina helicopter or standing at the edge of a cliff? seems much more like that this is something very small so we get an overhead view

[LTC8K6]

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/nahuelito-pix/

[GodMark2]

Never seen quite a clear "monster" photo as this. What the photo shows is a different matter of course. Wondered what you all thought of it. Hoax?

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/04/17/argentine_lake_monst.html


I'd like to see the rest of the picture. No still shot camera that an amateur can afford takes images in anything other than a 3X4 aspect ratio (that I know of).

Gee, can anyone here think of a reason why they might not publish the entire photo? :rolleyes:

[MWare]

I'd like to see the rest of the picture. No still shot camera that an amateur can afford takes images in anything other than a 3X4 aspect ratio (that I know of).

Gee, can anyone here think of a reason why they might not publish the entire photo? :rolleyes:

Cutting out the part with the alien spacecraft flying overhead just cuts down on the controversy.

[westphalia]

Poor sea monster. This sad little fellow has to break his neck and back just to swim through the water.

If he'd learn from snakes and eels, he could traverse the water without suffering irreversible spinal injuries.

[LW]

I'd like to see the rest of the picture. No still shot camera that an amateur can afford takes images in anything other than a 3X4 aspect ratio (that I know of).

APS compacts do, though I'm not certain if any of their three standard aspect ratios fits the picture exactly and don't have time to check it.

[Correa Neto]

Poor sea monster. This sad little fellow has to break his neck and back just to swim through the water.

If he'd learn from snakes and eels, he could traverse the water without suffering irreversible spinal injuries.

Wise words.

I think "cryptozoologists" really need to have some basic knoweledge on anatomy and biology. Even non-biologists (like myself) can catch obvious flaws at some of the nonsense they call "research" .

[gfunkusarelius]

Wise words.

I think "cryptozoologists" really need to have some basic knoweledge on anatomy and biology. Even non-biologists (like myself) can catch obvious flaws at some of the nonsense they call "research" .

come on guys, this just proves the pictures are real because no one would make such an obvious mistake! an amateur wouldnt have known that this species evolved seperately from familiar animals and thus uses a different kind of locomotion. :boxedin:

[JamesM]

I think "cryptozoologists" really need to have some basic knoweledge on anatomy and biology. Even non-biologists (like myself) can catch obvious flaws at some of the nonsense they call "research" .

Er, are there many crypotozoologists saying this is genuine? The comments on cryptomundo are virtually all saying it looks like a fake.

[Correa Neto]

Cryptozoology (wooohooo avoided the Freudian lapse of writing "crypotzoology!!!!) "experts" and buffs sometimes reffer to sea and lake monsters as having this sort of "vertical swimming mode". Quite often this is interpreted as being not a result of locomotion mode, but to the supposed animal's supposed anatomy (humps at its back and a coiled long neck). The renderings of these animals are quite... Well... How can I say without being rude... Unlikely. Cardborosaurus (AKA "Caddy")is an example.
Check
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/articles/v01n07a01.html
http://www.kryptozoologie.ch/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=77
And you'll see what I mean.

Anyway, my comment was made within a broader context. Bigfeet, chupacabras, thunderbirds, lake and sea monsters, the Jersey Devil & Co. are all full of biological problems when it comes to their alleged anatomy and ecological niches.

But lets rejoice, for at PNW there are bigfeet in land, thunderbirds in the sky and Caddys at the sea...

[fuelair]

Has anyone here seen a reliable picture of a Snorky? (Big S, little n orky)?

[Mad Hom]

What isolated body of water was it again that this cute little critter frolics about in? Follow up question: is it a rule now that every single isolated lake on earth must have a cute little critter swimming around in it?

[Outhere]

One way I could imagine an aquatic creature looping through the water would be when it's thrashing about in its death throes. Could be the creature swam too close to the aliens' secret underwater base and got zapped by a death ray.

Another thought: the purported head and neck seem too thin to match the next body part that's visible; not enough tapering? Or is it a forked tail we are seeing?

[Mad Hom]

That cinches it.... it's Manda and he just got done battling Atragon at the depths of Lake Whoziwhatsis. Poor critter just wanted to be friends with the aliens and this is what he gets.

[J. Arthur Hastur]

I've always wondered how fellows taking pictures of something like a 'lake monster' only ever manage blurry, unusable photos. I'm no photographic expert and with my cheap camera I can take literally hundreds of non-blurry, crisp pictures of mundane things. I think I'd be extra careful to bring BigFoot into focus if he rang my doorbell.

I think it needs to be investigated to see if cryptids, do in fact, have a special power to disrupt photographs of themselves. Someone call Uri Geller..................

[GodMark2]

I'd like to see the rest of the picture. No still shot camera that an amateur can afford takes images in anything other than a 3X4 aspect ratio (that I know of).

APS compacts do, though I'm not certain if any of their three standard aspect ratios fits the picture exactly and don't have time to check it.

Thank you for the information.

The picture in question is 300X130 -> 30*13

The APS formats (from wikipedia) are:
* H for "HDTV" (30.2 x 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 16:9; 4x7" print)
* C for "classic" (25.1 x 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 3:2; 4x6" print)
* P for "panoramic" (30.2 x 9.5 mm; aspect ratio 3:1; 4x12" print)

It's closest to the 3:1 format, but not quite that. I still vote for some cropping.

[Tirdun]

Bloody hell. My camera is nearly worthless for taking blurry shots. Its got all sorts of wretched auto-focus and lens protectors (it closes if you push on it) and even a stabilizer. I'll have to blur the stick monster in post production.

[Mad Hom]

It goes without saying but...

This picture is just the kind of ambiguous "PROOF" most Bleevers need.

Just clear enough to make out a "Lake Monster" like shape.

Not clear enough to rule it out as complete hoax,well maybe this one yes actually but you get my point.....

It's not the actual creature thats important it's the Mystery Of It All, the hunt, the chase, the knowing something (allegedly) that no one else does the specialness of believing in the power of Manda!!

[kittynh]

and did he only get off ONE shot? It's always important to get the whole roll of film (or I guess series with digital). What do the shots taken before and after look like?

Funny how the most important film ever taken (of say a UFO or lake monster) are handled so poorly that no one can find the other shots.

[bruto]

Since the two photos on cryptomundo have different aspect ratios, I think we can assume that they are cropped, and if they were real, it would be reasonable to assume that they were taken with a normal or wide lens such as one might find on a cheap point and shoot camera, then cropped to the max. This is why most of the pictures we get of Champ and Nessie and the like are so awful. The best supposed picture of Champ was taken with an instamatic camera at considerable distance on ordinary film, and the cropped detail is so compromised by grain, lens quality and glare off the water that it could be anything you want it to be.

Not that I think for a moment that these new shots are real. Way too many problems with shadows, wake, provenance, angle, physiology, etc. But if they were real, the blurring could be explained easily enough. Like crows at the glint of a gun barrel, it seems lake monsters and sasquatches can sense a telephoto lens from a mile away.

ETA, by the way, looking at the pictures again, there's a real problem with depth of field. If the images are cropped from a distant shot with a normal lens, the foreground should not be so blurry, especially in daylight when you would expect a fairly small aperture. It suggests that the monster was quite close to the camera, or that a very long telephoto lens with very shallow depth of field was used. In the first case, it would mean that the monster is a model. In the second, you would not expect to see evidence of cropping. And in either, it makes it hard to excuse the lack of detail, unless it was done on purpose to obfuscate.

[Desktop Icon]

Hoax? I don't know what you people are talking about. I'm 100% convinced that this is in fact a photograph, and nothing you say will make me change my mind.

[Correa Neto]

Well, since Ultraman showed up, this monster is history...

[Desktop Icon]

Well, since Ultraman showed up, this monster is history...

That's right. Don't make me pull this thread over and get out my Beta Capsule.

[tomgv15]

What isolated body of water was it again that this cute little critter frolics about in? Follow up question: is it a rule now that every single isolated lake on earth must have a cute little critter swimming around in it?
Creature From the Black Lagoon! Every South American province has one.

[Operaider]

You should see the beast that lives in the pond off the seventh green of the overland park golf course.

Cant tell you how many puts that bastard has made me miss

[Correa Neto]

That's right. Don't make me pull this thread over and get out my Beta Capsule.

No wonder all those cryptos are so shy. There's always a giant alien in silver rubber suit ready to kill them...:D

[Mad Hom]

Creature From the Black Lagoon! Every South American province has one.

Well there ya are then, I'm going to head out to one of the local lakes here in Phoenix,chuck my son's rubber snake he got at the zoo into it,film it with the lens coated in Crisco and call it...

Manda!! Benevolent Protector of Saguaro Lake!!