Homeopathic No-Pain Spray

[BPSCG]

Saw this on TV the other day (http://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/drfranks/nopainspray/?cid=142344).
From the home page:At last, a highly effective (see testimonials) (http://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/drfranks/nopainspray/?page=testimonials) pleasant tasting, non-prescription oral spray that stops the pain SAFELY. Just spray several times daily under your tongue to stop or significantly reduce chronic joint and muscle pain and stiffness whether mild or severe. It travels through the tissues under the tongue and into your blood stream to all parts of your body and stops the pain anywhere and from any cause even Fibromyalgia (http://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/drfranks/nopainspray/?page=fibro) or athletic pain. If you have joint or muscle pain from osteoarthritis or any cause, try this product today risk free (with a money back guarantee). For every initial bottle ordered, over 85% are reordered. You can now stop the pain without worrying about SAFETY.Emphases mine. "Doctor Frank, an alligator just took my leg off; will your spray stop that pain?"

I also like the "Formula" link. There's actually a lucid description of how the homeopathic dilution formulas work:The X means they were diluted by a factor of 10 (one part ingredient to 10 parts water). And 6 X means that it was diluted six times by a factor of 10 so the final dilution will be .000001 times the original solution of the ingredient which is ten millionths of the original solution. And 30 X means that it was diluted thirty times by a factor of 10. These are extremely small concentrations of active homeopathic ingredients and a reason for the safety of homeopathic ingredients.
I wonder how many people realize just how small "diluted thirty times by a factor of 10" is. 0.000000000000000000000000000001. I wonder how many people look at that and say, "Jeeze, there's probably more lead, arsenic and mercury in my bottled spring water than that..."

Guy claims to be an M.D.

ETA: Looks like he may have done some PentaWater type work (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.med.cfs/browse_frm/thread/b71165e9dfc6fb66/db42f080f75c1d73?lnk=st&q=%22Kenneth+J.+Frank%22&rnum=3&hl=en#db42f080f75c1d73).

[Ryan O'Dine]

I saw the same thing. I was recording the channel at the time, and caught the tiny message which springs up repeatedly in the ad:

Results will vary. Expect such results based on daily use and homeopathic research.
Is this some CYA bit of legality? Defending claims of ineffectuality by appeal to undetectable research?

Oh, and IIRC, it brags “ten homeopathic ingredients.” Now why do I flash on the Simpsons when I hear that?

[Gravy]

I was going to purchase some, but they don't accept homeopathic cash.

[Carnivore]

All my cash seems to become homeopathic :(

[Zep]

Which state was this in again?

[Nex]

Which state was this in again? I think BPSCG's in Virginia (apologies if I'm mistaken).

I have seen the advert too, and I live in North Carolina, so this has been advertised in at least 2 states (though probably more).

[drfrank]

Emphases mine. "Doctor Frank, an alligator just took my leg off; will your spray stop that pain?"
Of course it will - why would I be charging $500 for something that was completely ineffective?

If it doesn't work then it's either your own fault for not believing enough or you were a bad person in a former life.

[Starthinker]

My mom used to tell me to let an aspirin dissolve under my tongue so it would work faster. Maybe this guy's mom knew my mom and just made liquid aspirin.

[Polaris]

"Doctor Frank, an alligator just took my leg off; will your spray stop that pain?"

Of course it will! Haven't you ever played Resident Evil?

Sucking chest wound? Cickle to the guts? Giant bite taken out of your neck and shoulders? Doused by molecular acid? Just use a first aid spray - you'll be fine.

When I was getting out of Quixtar (the most recent incarnation of ScamWay), they were starting big on this topical pain cream called QuikFlex (an aside: Why do companies insist on deliberate mis-spelling of words? Do they think we find it endearing?). I got some samples, and I never found it to work particularly well. I remember they said they were working on a dental version, and a spray version. I wonder if this is just another version of that same snake oil.

[Ryan O'Dine]

I think BPSCG's in Virginia (apologies if I'm mistaken).

I have seen the advert too, and I live in North Carolina, so this has been advertised in at least 2 states (though probably more).
Add New York.

[Raphael]

I misread the OP as Homeopathic No-Brain Spray. (insert your own joke here.)

[Gr8wight]

My mom used to tell me to let an aspirin dissolve under my tongue so it would work faster.

Blech! How horrible for you.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Homeopathy is based on natural laws. It is a recognised system all over the world. More and more people are coming towards homeopathy for their disease treatment. Taking into consideration and acceptance many skeptics have decided to earn buisness. But they don't have any idea how to implement. Hence, they use allopathic techniques for treating patients. Same is the case with spray type medicine. These are against pure homeopathic thoughts and started by skeptics who hate homeopathy but want to do buisness as well with homeopathic products. This is not homeopathy.

By the way I like your method of advertisement BPSCG. ;) Are you the honour of the product?

A bad homeopath was also caught by GNA, he is also not homeopath but wanted to sell his lotion product at NCH forum in disguise manner.

[Jeff Corey]

Homeopathy is based on natural laws.
Response-Not any that are known to science.
It is a recognised system all over the world.
Response - Yes, recognized as worthless
A bad homeopath was also caught by GNA, he is also not homeopath but wanted to sell his lotion product at NCH forum in disguise manner.
Response - What was the problem? Not diluted enough?

[prewitt81]

So you could tell bad homeopathy from good homeopathy? If I gave you two substances claiming to be homeopathic, you could tell me which was and which wasn't? Please describe how you could do so.

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Are you evidence lover? Prove yourself first? I will provide evidence accordingly.

[Raphael]

So you could tell bad homeopathy from good homeopathy? If I gave you two substances claiming to be homeopathic, you could tell me which was and which wasn't? Please describe how you could do so.

Easy- he doesn't make any money from stuff that doesn't work.


edited to add- I don't mean to infer that any of it works

[prewitt81]

Are you evidence lover? Prove yourself first? I will provide evidence accordingly.

What do you mean by evidence lover? If you're asking me if I believe everything that anyone ever tells me, then the answer is no. Who doesn't require evidence?

[Jeff Corey]

Are you evidence lover? Prove yourself first? I will provide evidence accordingly.
Can you spot the missing letter in your signature? If so, you may have already won the million. Act now, or your signature may be diluted beyond all recognition.

[Zep]

Are you evidence lover? Prove yourself first? I will provide evidence accordingly.This is a typical "Dr. MAS" response. He wants YOU to provide HIM evidence of HIS claim, and he will decide if it is good or bad.

Pillock.

[SezMe]

edited to add- I don't mean to infer that any of it works

imply

[Mojo]

So you could tell bad homeopathy from good homeopathy? If I gave you two substances claiming to be homeopathic, you could tell me which was and which wasn't? Please describe how you could do so.Hey, that's a good idea! Sheikh, how would you do this?

And while you're in the mood to answer questions, how are you getting on with the double blind tests proving that homoeopathy works? You know, the ones you were going to carry out or quit homoeopathy (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1379773#post1379773).

There's a thread here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1381267) specially created just for you to post your protocols and results.

[YouBelieveWHAT?]

Surely if you're trying to identify homeopathic stuff from non-homeopathic, don't you just have to check the price on the bottle?

YBW

[gnome]

Are you evidence lover? Prove yourself first? I will provide evidence accordingly.

A question is not a logical proposition--it has no truth value, and so proof is irrelevant. Can you or can't you tell the difference between a "good" and a "bad" homeopathic product?