Murder in the name of God

[triadboy]

Recently two young boys were murdered by their mother...God told her to kill them. Last year a woman killed her children, but in this case, the devil told her to do it. A few years ago, a day trader killed his boys so they could go on straight to heaven and not have to live this wretched life.

What do Christians think when they hear of these things?

Originally posted by triadboy
Recently two young boys were murdered by their mother...God told her to kill them. Last year a woman killed her children, but in this case, the devil told her to do it. A few years ago, a day trader killed his boys so they could go on straight to heaven and not have to live this wretched life.

What do Christians think when they hear of these things?

Dear triadboy,

Also, all the time, the non-religious kill people.

Sincerely,

S. H.

[triadboy]

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Also, all the time, the non-religious kill people.


I understand that. But in the case of the day trader - his assumption that his children will be immediately whisked to heaven is grounded in biblical dogma.

The religious woman in the news now said God told her to do it. Do Christians believe that?

The woman last year said the devil told her to do it. Do Christians believe her?

[justsaygnosis]

I would believe sane 'christians' would think like sane atheists on this one.
The person is off the deep end.
Excepting the real fire breathing fundies of any sect most people I interact with have come to replace the term 'possession' with psychosis.
Murdering in the name of a deity is a vain attempt to justify what couldn't be justified by ordinary statutes and tradions.
Let's face it there is always a way to justify something. That's why we have lawyers, ministers and diplomats.

[K-W]

Originally posted by justsaygnosis
I would believe sane 'christians' would think like sane atheists on this one.
The person is off the deep end.
Excepting the real fire breathing fundies of any sect most people I interact with have come to replace the term 'possession' with psychosis.
Murdering in the name of a deity is a vain attempt to justify what couldn't be justified by ordinary statutes and tradions.
Let's face it there is always a way to justify something. That's why we have lawyers, ministers and diplomats.

Its always a fun joke when you think that the people in the bible spoke to god and are prophets but people who speak to god now are crazy.

In the case of the god and the devil you are right.

But the daytrader is a different issue. Few would argue that his kids wouldnt go to heaven. So whats wrong with his reasoning?

[Loki]

K-W,

But the daytrader is a different issue. Few would argue that his kids wouldnt go to heaven. So whats wrong with his reasoning?
Under catholic doctrine the children *might not* go to heaven - if they are unbaptised they go to "Limbus Infantium". Since baptism is necessary for salvation, an unbaptised child (a) cannot get into heaven but (b) can't be condemned to hell (because that would be unfair of god, and he's not like that apparently). So, they've invented this limbo for unbaptised dead kids that's sort of like heaven, but not.

There's no biblical support for this, it's just "obvious".

I've had the same discussion with "Christian" on this forum in the past. It seems to me that any good christian parent should kill their children as soon as possible (after baptism for catholics, of course).

As a christian parent you have two choices :

1. Kill Your children now, and therefore grant them eternal life next to god.
2. Let them live, and take a chance that the devil might tempt them away from god in adulthood.

Consequences of #1 :
a. 100% guaranteed eternity with god for your children.
b. Possible trip to hell for yourself - (avoidable if you "truly repent" - but no faking!!)

Consequences of #2 :
a. Your children's fate is not in your hands.

Seems clear that logic points to the need for christians to kill their children early - what parent wouldn't want to *guarantee* they child has eternal life? Since most don't, I can only conclude this is yet another example of the illogical nature of religion! :)

[K-W]

that would depend on which is harder, repenting for infanticide or raising a good god-fearing child

[Loki]

K-W,

that would depend on which is harder, repenting for infanticide or raising a good god-fearing child
Unless you consider that scarificing yourself for your children would be worth it, in which case the difficulty of repenting becomes irrelevant. Is it the parent, or about the kids?

[Yahzi]

I know a woman who was raised in a sect that beleived that children under 6 went straight to heaven when they died.

She remembers being 5 1/2 and considering stepping in front of a speeding truck. Because then she would be garaunteed entry into heaven, and not run the risk of missing out.

Pretty rational thinking for a five year old, eh? Strange that none of the adults could reach that conclusion...

Dear Yahzi,

Since we are on the Internet, where anecdotes fly, quicker then Mr. thaiboxerken saying 'I am not a weak atheist!' or Kimpatsu's claims of calculating the probability of God, I'll say that I know a person who was raised in a religion that believed in heaven, but didn't step in front of a truck because she values life on this earth also.

Since this is the Internet, I also have 1,000 similar Real Life (tm) stories, so just ask for them. ;)

Sincerely,

S. H.

[WhiteRabbit]

It is troubling and sad what people do in the name of religion. Look at the holy wars. An excuse to kill in the name of God.
The witch burnings. All in the name of God. As one who belives in God I am saddended by those who perform acts caliming to be of him when the are serving only themselves. As for the lady spoken of Some people become ... um....Over zaleous about things. Look at the followers of false prophets. David Keresh (SP), Waco etc....
Just my 2 cents,
WR

"the Devil can quote scripture for his cause"
-Shakespear

[Ruby]

Originally posted by triadboy
Recently two young boys were murdered by their mother...God told her to kill them. Last year a woman killed her children, but in this case, the devil told her to do it. A few years ago, a day trader killed his boys so they could go on straight to heaven and not have to live this wretched life.

What do Christians think when they hear of these things?

I think it is sad and horrific. These people need serious Psychiatric help...if only that happened before they committed acts of murder.

[Ruby]

Originally posted by triadboy
The religious woman in the news now said God told her to do it. Do Christians believe that?

Heck no! I can't imagine any Christian believing that.

The woman last year said the devil told her to do it. Do Christians believe her?

Most Christians would believe that. I say she was needing serious Psychiatric help...possibly for being Schizophrenic.

[Ruby]

http://home.att.net/~rubypoetry/hello7welcomedp.gif WhiteRabbit

[WhiteRabbit]

Thanks,
WR