How should Pedophiles express their sexuality?

[a_unique_person]

Pedophiles like sex with minors. Now, I don't approve of this. The minor is not of an age to give informed consent, and ends up scarred for life.

How are they supposed to live with their sexuality? I imagine that they are either taught this by pedophiles who abused them, or are just born that way. Either way, it is something that they want to do. Do we as a society just lock them up for life, chemically or physically castrate them, or what? Many turn out to be repeat offenders.

Is it their fault that they are this way. I believe homosexuals are born that way, but they can find consenting adults, and no one gets hurt, ditto heterosexuals.

[shanek]

I don't know about your neck of the woods, but here in the US the Supreme Court has said that child pornography only applies if there's an actual minor involved. Cartoons don't count, CGI girls don't count, adult models dressed as youngsters don't count. So this fantasy type of porn may give them a safe outlet.

[shemp]

Texas style: String 'em up and teach 'em a lesson!

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by shanek
I don't know about your neck of the woods, but here in the US the Supreme Court has said that child pornography only applies if there's an actual minor involved. Cartoons don't count, CGI girls don't count, adult models dressed as youngsters don't count. So this fantasy type of porn may give them a safe outlet.

But looking isn't doing, and the CGI is opening up a whole new virtual world of questions.

[Bjorn]

How are they supposed to live with their sexuality? I imagine that they are either taught this by pedophiles who abused them, or are just born that way. Either way, it is something that they want to do. Do we as a society just lock them up for life, chemically or physically castrate them, or what? Many turn out to be repeat offenders. And many of them are probably not offenders at all - they just realize that wanting to have sex with kids is not allowing you to do so.

All sexual desires cannot be fullfilled, and many people will know that their sexual fantasies have to stay fantasies.

Is it their fault that they are this way. I don't know, but as for living their dreams it doesn't make a difference: They can't.

I find it hard to believe, however, that anyone would want to have sexual fantasies about kids, or corpses, or animals - life is much easier if one's fantasies are about adult members of the opposite sex.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Bjorn
And many of them are probably not offenders at all - they just realize that wanting to have sex with kids is not allowing you to do so.

All sexual desires cannot be fullfilled, and many people will know that their sexual fantasies have to stay fantasies.

I don't know, but as for living their dreams it doesn't make a difference: They can't.

I find it hard to believe, however, that anyone would want to have sexual fantasies about kids, or corpses, or animals - life is much easier if one's fantasies are about adult members of the opposite sex.

I can't say I've tried the other ways, but sex with opposite sex is hard enough to handle as it is.

[shanek]

Although as usual I'm disturbed by the completely arbitrary way with which this is enforced. If I have sex with a girl on her 18th birthday, that's fine (not that that ever happens to me), but if I have sex with her the day before, I'm a pedophile and guilty of statutory rape.

I'm sorry, but there's just something wrong with that....

[reprise]

How many US states have 18 as the age of consent, and in how many of those states is the age difference between the parties a factor in determining whether sex between them constituted statutory rape?

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by shanek
Although as usual I'm disturbed by the completely arbitrary way with which this is enforced. If I have sex with a girl on her 18th birthday, that's fine (not that that ever happens to me), but if I have sex with her the day before, I'm a pedophile and guilty of statutory rape.

I'm sorry, but there's just something wrong with that.... As much as I agree, I tend to think there must be a limit to how young the girl can be if I (and she) claim she wanted it, too.

2 years old? 12? 18? :confused:

Wouldn't one always be able to ask the same question: What about one day earlier.... :eek:

[EvilYeti]

Originally posted by shanek
Although as usual I'm disturbed by the completely arbitrary way with which this is enforced. If I have sex with a girl on her 18th birthday, that's fine (not that that ever happens to me), but if I have sex with her the day before, I'm a pedophile and guilty of statutory rape.

I'm sorry, but there's just something wrong with that....

That happens all the time and the law is rarely, if ever, enforced (like the many sodomy laws on the books). Also realize someone would have to know about it, complain to the police AND the minor would have to testify against the "offender" before you could even be prosecuted.

I dated a few 17 year olds while I was 18-20 openly and no one had a problem with it. De jure vs. de facto. Mind you it can be dangerous if someone is determined to get you in trouble or if you break up with the girl and she decides she wants to get even.

[corplinx]

How should pedophiles express their sexuality? In my ideal, they would all be dead. The behavior of ghosts is something more fit for the paranormal forum.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Bjorn

I find it hard to believe, however, that anyone would want to have sexual fantasies about kids, or corpses, or animals - life is much easier if one's fantasies are about adult members of the opposite sex.

Raises an interesting question, are there any people out there that get their jollies from sex with dead, baby animals?

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by shanek
Although as usual I'm disturbed by the completely arbitrary way with which this is enforced. If I have sex with a girl on her 18th birthday, that's fine (not that that ever happens to me), but if I have sex with her the day before, I'm a pedophile and guilty of statutory rape.

I'm sorry, but there's just something wrong with that....

There has to be some limit, but the law has the limitation that it has to express a complex notion in words and absolute terms. It is full of such anomolies, such as abortion/infanticide.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


Raises an interesting question, are there any people out there that get their jollies from sex with dead, baby animals?

From my professional experience, which is quite big regarding cases of paedophilia, yes, there are people who enjoy having sex with kids and corpses.

edited to add: Since you asked Unique, according to surveys the games with dead animals include human corpses. Interestingly, people who engage themselves in such practices are paedophiliacs.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


From my professional experience, which is quite big regarding cases of paedophilia, yes, there are people who enjoy having sex with kids and corpses.

edited to add: Since you asked Unique, according to surveys the games with dead animals include human corpses. Interestingly, people who emgage themselves in such practices there are paedophiliacs.

I was refering to all three at once, a dead, baby animal. Sorry, my black sense of humour. The subject of pedophilia doesn't get a joke out of me, but the possibility of someone who was weird enough to require it with a dead, young animal?

[renata]

Cleopatra, since you seem to be familiar with the issues, can I ask you to comment on the article in this thread? Thanks
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19622

[Cleopatra]

What distinguishes doctors from lawyers is that the later can't get used to crime they way doctors get used to death.

Unique it's ok to have a black humor, I understand but I can't be relaxed with this matter. I think that although I have endless resources of self-sarcasm and humour, when it comes to this subject I loose it all, because people who have dealt with this issue have seen things beyond imagination.

Things that leave you with many questions regarding human nature. (I guess that this explains my attitude towards skeptics who pray as we have discussed to another thread...)

Anyway.

For FYI, it seems that people that enjoy having just ( sic) sex with baby animals don't exist. It seems that their... tastes are more complicated than that.It involves death + something else.

I have wondered myself whether those people have rights as the rest of us. It's not easy to reply to this question and just say " No they need to be executed". It's a matter of philosophy and of the moral values we accept in our society.

I am very sorry to inform you that paedophilia " enjoys" more acceptance ( with tones of guilt involved , of course) in the modern societies that you can possibly imagine.

My explanation? Maturity is not what characterizes modern people.

Renata, I will have a look at this thread and to another one you have proposed during the week-end :)

[peptoabysmal]

If I wanted to have sex with a creature from another dimension and say tentacles would be a plus and more than eight eyes would be a turn-off, this is not likely to ever happen.

I imagine I would be advised to seek professional help, and that professional help would tell me that they can't change reality, but they can help me change how I feel about reality.


hmmm... how about heterosexual sex with a dead, gay, young animal? Kinky! ;)

[EvilYeti]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal
If I wanted to have sex with a creature from another dimension and say tentacles would be a plus and more than eight eyes would be a turn-off, this is not likely to ever happen.


You obviously don't watch much hentai.

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by EvilYeti


You obviously don't watch much hentai.

LOL

Spot on. I'm no fan of Japanimation.

[Ladewig]

don't know about your neck of the woods, but here in the US the Supreme Court has said that child pornography only applies if there's an actual minor involved. Cartoons don't count, CGI girls don't count, adult models dressed as youngsters don't count. So this fantasy type of porn may give them a safe outlet.


Yes, the Supreme Court ruled that a minor must be involved in April 2002, but 15 days later the House introduced a bill sponsored by 69 members that would outlaw CGIs of any minor engaged in sex and any "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that, under specified circumstances, depicts a pre-pubescent child engaging in sexually explicit conduct." The bill, H.R.4623, passed the House and now is in a Senate committee (S.2511).

Personally, I cannot imagine a cartoon as dangerous as a government that wants to outlaw certain cartoons.

As has been said, not all sexual desires can or should be fulfilled. If the pedophiles cannot handle it, let them volunteer for chemical or physical castration.

[Dancing David]

Soory there is a difference between having sex with someone old enough to maybe be consensual and those young enough to be children.

Can't justify it, there are treatments for obsessive compulsive disorders, can't condone it, they are committing serious harm to the children who they violate, can't say it is a civil liberty, they are raping children.

And lets not get caught up in the fantasy that this is some older gay man initiating a younger gay man, there a re plenty of perverts who get off on beating children, then javing sex with them, that is not love that is brutality. Does an eight year old girl/slash boy really want to be beaten before they are raped?

Peace

[Tmy]

This is silly. Its like asking "how should wife beaters express their anger".

Its like no one is expected to have self control. We excuse every behavior as if its an uncontrolable disease. Pedophilia, road rage, whatever. You give it a name and all of a sudden the person is not responsible.

[Richard G]

How should Pedophiles express their sexuality?

Child molester is the word, not pedophile. Pedophile is some psychobable s**t some shrink came up with.

How do they express it? Chemical castration would be a good start. If they are messing with my kids, they are going to lose their life.

[Frostbite]

They should express their sexuality as ball-less, d**kless eunuch slaves.

[Tmy]

I always found it strange that pedophiles are hated so much more than murderers. Not that pedophilia is a good thing, but murder is much worse.

A murder gets out of jail and its "oh hes paid his debt". A pedohile gets out and its "die scumbag! Register so everyone knows who you are!"

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Richard G


Child molester is the word, not pedophile. Pedophile is some psychobable s**t some shrink came up with.

How do they express it? Chemical castration would be a good start. If they are messing with my kids, they are going to lose their life. Frostbite:
They should express their sexuality as ball-less, d**kless eunuch slaves.

Wow! It took 22 posts to get past the PC crap and answer the question realistically...

[renata]

Originally posted by Tmy
I always found it strange that pedophiles are hated so much more than murderers. Not that pedophilia is a good thing, but murder is much worse.

A murder gets out of jail and its "oh hes paid his debt". A pedohile gets out and its "die scumbag! Register so everyone knows who you are!"

Well, some murderers are better than pedophiles in one sense- recidivism. A lot of murders are commited for passion, or gain. If these people leave prison, they are unlikely to kill again. However pedophiles tend to commit crimes over and over. I remember reading that before they are caught, they tend to have molested several children already.

[Tmy]

Originally posted by renata


Well, some murderers are better than pedophiles in one sense- recidivism. A lot of murders are commited for passion, or gain. If these people leave prison, they are unlikely to kill again. However pedophiles tend to commit crimes over and over. I remember reading that before they are caught, they tend to have molested several children already.

Lots of pedohiles have never acted on there impulses. Theyre jailed for possesing kiddee porn. Do you find that worse then some guy who cant control his anger and ends up beating to death his girl cause she burnt dinner.

Arent we focusing on pedophiles future crimes that might never happen? We dont do this with rapists.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tmy
............

Theyre jailed for possesing kiddee porn. ..............

They're jailed for breaking the law..

[Shane Costello]

Originally posted by Tmy:
I always found it strange that pedophiles are hated so much more than murderers. Not that pedophilia is a good thing, but murder is much worse.

A murder gets out of jail and its "oh hes paid his debt". A pedohile gets out and its "die scumbag! Register so everyone knows who you are!"

As Renata said, convicted murderers rarely reoffend when released, whereas the same isn't true of convicted paedophiles. On balance released murderers pose no danger to society, whereas convicted paedophiles do.

Most murders are very banal affairs, "heat of the moment" things were both victim and offender are generally young men between the ages of 15 and 30. Paedophiles prey on much younger and weaker victims, not to mention the revulsion people feel at serious crimes commited against children.

A good example is that of the "Moors murderers" in the UK. Myra Hindley was the most hated individual in Britain because she was a convicted child killer (coupled with her regular bids for freedom). Despite the fact other convicted serial killers in Britain murdered many more people, they just didn't arouse the same feelings of revulsion among the public.

[Supercharts]

Originally posted by Tmy


Lots of pedohiles have never acted on there impulses. Theyre jailed for possesing kiddee porn. Do you find that worse then some guy who cant control his anger and ends up beating to death his girl cause she burnt dinner.

Arent we focusing on pedophiles future crimes that might never happen? We dont do this with rapists.

Some child was forced to pose for Kiddie-porn. The child was exploited. Some child was forced to perform sexual acts with an adult way long before the age of consent and comprehension.
Possessing Kiddie-porn encourages the exploitation and harm to children.
Rapists attack adults. Pedos attack children.

[renata]

Originally posted by Tmy


Lots of pedohiles have never acted on there impulses. Theyre jailed for possesing kiddee porn. Do you find that worse then some guy who cant control his anger and ends up beating to death his girl cause she burnt dinner.

Arent we focusing on pedophiles future crimes that might never happen? We dont do this with rapists.

I am not concerned about people who might watch kiddie porn again, sick as though it is. I am saying that pedophiles have been shown to escalate their behavior and perpetuate it. It is impossible to judge what is worse- death of one person or dozens of molested, raped and traumatized children.

As to the rapists, I believe that some rapists suffer from the same affliction than pedophiles, and I think rapists who commited more than one rape should receive very harsh punishment, because the recidivism rate is high there as well.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Tmy


Lots of pedohiles have never acted on there impulses. Theyre jailed for possesing kiddee porn. Do you find that worse then some guy who cant control his anger and ends up beating to death his girl cause she burnt dinner.

Arent we focusing on pedophiles future crimes that might never happen? We dont do this with rapists.

Excellent point! It's a nice question to think over it. Why we feel so repulsed by pedophiles?Why we treat them worse than murderers? ( BTW... When a pedophile gets to prison, they usually put him in a separate cell because the other prisoners and especially those who are convicted for murder , beat him to death...even murderers in the prison, refuse to live with them)

I dare to suggest that societies tend to exhaust their severity, to crimes that seem familiar and people feel that they could have committed as well....pedophilia is one of those.

Sorry to say this but in this world there are more pedophiles that you can imagine.

PS Who told you that eunuchs can't have sex?

[Tmy]

Shouldnt we have more distain for murderers???

Normally we think of the pedophile victim as being a young child. What about when the victim is around 13-14 yrs old. Do you lump the perp into the same pedophile mold. In some places its accepted to have sex/marry with girls that young.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Tmy
Shouldnt we have more distain for murderers???

Normally we think of the pedophile victim as being a young child. What about when the victim is around 13-14 yrs old. Do you lump the perp into the same pedophile mold. In some places its accepted to have sex/marry with girls that young.

Ok. As far as I am aware of and I am quite aware of the legislation in all the European countries and a couple of States in America and according to UNICEF we call children the human beings that they are younger than they are below the age of 12. Above 12 years old the legislation changes especially when it has to do with sexual intercourse and unfornunately when it has to do with girls....

A crime is a crime and I think that the chief danger in a society is to start distinguishing the crimes. Personally, I find pedophilia more repulsive a crime than Murder I for example, but I guess that this is a personal thing.

Also, I will dare to make another comment of really bad taste. A victim of murder dies only once , a children who has been victim of sexual abuse , dies every day...

Of course this is not a valid, legal arguement, this is how I feel.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Excellent point! It's a nice question to think over it. Why we feel so repulsed by pedophiles?Why we treat them worse than murderers?

You think it might have something to do with our (some of us, anyway..) revulsion for people who prey on innocent helpless children?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tmy
Shouldnt we have more distain for murderers???

Normally we think of the pedophile victim as being a young child. What about when the victim is around 13-14 yrs old. Do you lump the perp into the same pedophile mold. In some places its accepted to have sex/marry with girls that young.

What age do you stop having a problem with it?

In the case of legislation, a line has to be drawn somewhere..

In some places its accepted to have sex/marry with girls that young.

Sounds like the place to be, if 13 - 14 year olds, are your thing..

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Diogenes


You think it might have something to do with our (some of us, anyway..) revulsion for people who prey on innocent helpless children?

Hmmmmm
My business associate, 10 years ago, took part in a murder case where a man killed out of jealousy his young wife, chopped her with a kitchen knife to 30 pieces on their kitchen table, put her into those plastic garbage bags and threw "her" to the garbage...

This was considered one of the most repulsive crimes in the history of the Greek Criminal procedure.

Five years ago, we were involved in another case, where a father raped his 5 years old boy and killed it afterwards. When this man got in prison the other man, the one who had killed his wife, beated him to death...

There you go....

Can you tell which of the criminal acts above was the worse? In my opinion, it was the murder of the child but what about the other murder that was committed in jail? The one murderer kills the other one????

I think that we can't really scale crimes. I do it myself sometimes, and I just feel it's not right

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Tmy
Shouldnt we have more distain for murderers???

Normally we think of the pedophile victim as being a young child. What about when the victim is around 13-14 yrs old. Do you lump the perp into the same pedophile mold. In some places its accepted to have sex/marry with girls that young.

yeah and some places its okay to cut off thier labia, and beat them once you marry them, a thirteen to fourteen years old is being expoited if thier papamour is significantly older than they are.

Rapists and serial killers should be lumped in with paedophiles, OCD criminals, get traetment stay on treatment or die.

Rapists don't to it for sex they do it for terror, gee when you analy penetrate a six year old after beating them is it love or terror?

People keep trying to minimize and normalize these obcene behaviors.
Peace

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Hmmmmm
My business associate, 10 years ago, took part in a murder case where a man killed out of jealousy his young wife, chopped her with a kitchen knife to 30 pieces on their kitchen table, put her into those plastic garbage bags and threw "her" to the garbage...

This was considered one of the most repulsive crimes in the history of the Greek Criminal procedure.

Five years ago, we were involved in another case, where a father raped his 5 years old boy and killed it afterwards. When this man got in prison the other man, the one who had killed his wife, beated him to death...

There you go....

Can you tell which of the criminal acts above was the worse? In my opinion, it was the murder of the child but what about the other murder that was committed in jail? The one murderer kills the other one????

I think that we can't really scale crimes. I do it myself sometimes, and I just feel it's not right The question ( in this thread ) is not:

" How should Murderers express their need to commit murder in gruesome ways?"


The suggestion in the thread title:

"How should Pedophiles express their sexuality?"

.. is that, this might be a legitimate concern for the needs of pedophiles...

I certainly trust, that a_unique_person is doing a little fishing, and not speaking from the heart..

[Tmy]

Generally our laws are designed to punish criminals for the crimes theyve done. Wh pedophiles we tend to toss that notion out the window. We talk about chemical castration, sexual offender registration. Maybe we should do the same with murderers Mellow them out with drugs so they dont lose their tempers, or notify neighborhoods when a murder moves in.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tmy
Generally our laws are designed to punish criminals for the crimes theyve done. Wh pedophiles we tend to toss that notion out the window. We talk about chemical castration, sexual offender registration. Maybe we should do the same with murderers Mellow them out with drugs so they dont lose their tempers, or notify neighborhoods when a murder moves in.



Your position on this is interesting, to say the least..

And, no, laws are not generally designed to punish. They are oftened designed to deter, or take the criminal out of circulation.

And in the overwhelming majority of cases, punishing pedophiles does not alter their behaviour, unless you want to count ' making them more cautious '...

[aggle_rithm]

Originally posted by Cleopatra



Five years ago, we were involved in another case, where a father raped his 5 years old boy and killed it afterwards. When this man got in prison the other man, the one who had killed his wife, beated him to death...



I've always found it interesting that hardened criminals in prison hate pedophiles so much. Jeffery Dahmer met a similar fate in prison. (There was a movie made a couple decades ago about how pedophiles are outcasts in prison. I think it was called "Bright Eyes").

[Frostbite]

Lobotomy! Lobotomy!

[aggle_rithm]

Originally posted by Tmy
I always found it strange that pedophiles are hated so much more than murderers. Not that pedophilia is a good thing, but murder is much worse.


I've heard the argument that child abuse causes psychological trauma that the person carries for the rest of his/her life, then passes on to future generations (their trauma interferes with their ability to nurture their own children). Thus, it is a worse crime than murder, which ends the victim's suffering right there.


A murder gets out of jail and its "oh hes paid his debt". A pedohile gets out and its "die scumbag! Register so everyone knows who you are!"

Pedophiles tend to not give up on their favorite hobby unless forced to do so. Re-education/rehabilitation hasn't proved very effective in getting them to change their behavior.

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Diogenes


Your position on this is interesting, to say the least..

And, no, laws are not generally designed to punish. They are oftened designed to deter, or take the criminal out of circulation.

And in the overwhelming majority of cases, punishing pedophiles does not alter their behaviour, unless you want to count ' making them more cautious '...

Im not pro-pedophile if thats what your implying.


I wonder how the stats of repeat offenders of pedophila match up against repeat offenders in other crimes. Like drug dealing for example.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tmy


Im not pro-pedophile if thats what your implying.

Not sure why you feel I implied anything, ( up to this point ) but for some reason, I seem to find myself replying to posts, such as this one, that are taking a defensive position with regard tp pedophilia.

I wonder how the stats of repeat offenders of pedophila match up against repeat offenders in other crimes. Like drug dealing for example.

Why do you wonder? Would it make pedophilia less reprehensible, if we could demonstrate that any other crime enjoys the same degree of repetition among those convicted?


Hint: It might have something to do with the nature of the victims..

[Tmy]

Im not saying pedphilia is ok. Its a terrible crime.

The social stigmatsing and shunning is totally understandable when you deal wh children as victims. But should that emotion spill into the legal aspect to a point where rights against cruel and unusual punshiment and double jeapordy are ignored because the perps are really bad guys. (Im talking bout chemical castration and retroactive sex offender registration)

[Frostbite]

Lobotomy! Lobotomy!!!

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tmy
But should that emotion spill into the legal aspect to a point where rights against cruel and unusual punshiment and double jeapordy are ignored because the perps are really bad guys.

This is somewhat subjective..

There doesn't seem to be any social outcry regarding the mistreatment of pedophiles.

[Tmy]

Theres the rub. If theres no outcry for a bad guy is it OK to trammple the constitution. The whole "enemy combatant" thing comes to mine.

[New Light]

I think an interesting aspect of this question has been lost here - or at least my first impression of the question has not been addressed.

Imagine this scenario:

I am a pedophile (I'm not of course)
BUT
I do not want to break the law
BUT
I have strong sexual impulses like anyone else

What do I do?
I could masturbate to fantasy but eventually will long for the real thing

I could use kiddie porn but that is illegal (and one of my constraints is that I do not want to break the law)

What do I do?
Is there a way to fulfill my sexual needs without breaking any laws?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tmy
Theres the rub. If theres no outcry for a bad guy is it OK to trammple the constitution. The whole "enemy combatant" thing comes to mine.

If this is your concern, you should be able to find a worthwhile example that doesn't include pedophiles.

Unless of course, your "enemy combatants" , also happen to be pedophiles...

[Tmy]

Well I didnt start the thread, so Im sort of stuck wh pedo's. Whenever there are big issues dealing wh rights, you usually have a horrible person at the center of it.

We've gotton iff subject though.


Maybe computer generated kiddee porn should be allowed. Itll gove an outlet to the pedophiles. Unless you belive that porn leads people to act on there desires.

[renata]

Originally posted by Tmy


Maybe computer generated kiddee porn should be allowed. Itll gove an outlet to the pedophiles. Unless you belive that porn leads people to act on there desires.

I thought Supreme Court decided that computer generated child porn is allowed, but maybe I am mixing things up.

As to New Light's question- I honestly do not know. I do not know what makes a person have lecherous thoughts about children. If it is an illness, I do not know whether it can be cured.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Tmy
Well I didnt start the thread, so Im sort of stuck wh pedo's. Whenever there are big issues dealing wh rights, you usually have a horrible person at the center of it.
We've gotton iff subject though.
we have?
Maybe computer generated kiddee porn should be allowed. Itll gove an outlet to the pedophiles. Unless you belive that porn leads people to act on there desires.

It doesn't matter what I believe..

Obviously, some people choose to act on their desires, regardless of the impetus.

If child molestors chose to look at pictures in lieu of acting out their desires, we wouldn't have a problem, would we?
In fact, we wouldn't have any child molestors.

[Tmy]

I think someone posted a link to a bill making its way thru congress. I think its supposed to make computer kid porn illeagle.

Will that stand up to free speech scrutiny.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by New Light
Is there a way to fulfill my sexual needs without breaking any laws?

No.

Not unless you move to a jurisdiction where what you want to do is legal.

[Random]

Originally posted by renata


I thought Supreme Court decided that computer generated child porn is allowed, but maybe I am mixing things up.



Well, there was the Communications Decency Act which managed to get through the legislative branch somehow. It made the transmission of computer generated child porn illegal. It also made it illegel to post baby pictures of your infant in the bathtub, children in underwear, and to transmit the text of Romeo and Juliet.

The Supreme Court shot it down.

Last I heard, a new and improved version is wending its way through the legislative bracnh.

[Nikk]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Excellent point! It's a nice question to think over it. Why we feel so repulsed by pedophiles?Why we treat them worse than murderers? ( BTW... When a pedophile gets to prison, they usually put him in a separate cell because the other prisoners and especially those who are convicted for murder , beat him to death...even murderers in the prison, refuse to live with them)

I dare to suggest that societies tend to exhaust their severity, to crimes that seem familiar and people feel that they could have committed as well....pedophilia is one of those.

Sorry to say this but in this world there are more pedophiles that you can imagine.

PS Who told you that eunuchs can't have sex?

Surely we are less repulsed by murderers because most of us can imagine being angry enough to want to kill someone. So a murderer is a recognisable human type with whom we can empathise, depending on the crime of course!

A pedophile is just the opposite. Most people never have any fantasies of sex with children and in fact are disgusted by the idea.

I don't really follow your second paragraph. Are you arguing the Freudian idea that the things we claim to hate most are the ones we refuse to acknowledge that we secretly want to do?

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


I was refering to all three at once, a dead, baby animal. Sorry, my black sense of humour. The subject of pedophilia doesn't get a joke out of me, but the possibility of someone who was weird enough to require it with a dead, young animal?


Starting to sound like a John Carpenter movie:eek:

[Hazelip]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
Pedophiles like sex with minors. Now, I don't approve of this. The minor is not of an age to give informed consent, and ends up scarred for life.

How are they supposed to live with their sexuality? I imagine that they are either taught this by pedophiles who abused them, or are just born that way. Either way, it is something that they want to do. Do we as a society just lock them up for life, chemically or physically castrate them, or what? Many turn out to be repeat offenders.

Is it their fault that they are this way. I believe homosexuals are born that way, but they can find consenting adults, and no one gets hurt, ditto heterosexuals.

Sex between consenting adults is nobody's business. An adult forcing himself, or coercing cooperation from a minor, is obscene. It is not a valid sexual proclivity and does not deserve to be compared favorably to the sexual practices of consenting adults in any way, shape, or form.

What about rapists? Most of those are repeat offenders.

No, pedophiles do not have a right to exercise their sexual desires. None at all.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Nikk


I don't really follow your second paragraph. Are you arguing the Freudian idea that the things we claim to hate most are the ones we refuse to acknowledge that we secretly want to do?

Exactly. But this is my personal point of view.

Another good example is the severity we show to infanticides especially when it comes to mothers. Things become interesting in cases of mothers who have killed their children because they were mentally ill.Even to those cases usually the jury, ignores the illness and exhausts its severity.

[Lemastre]

Many people can't "express their sexuality," at all or at least not as often as they'd like, and not always because it would be illegal. Sex isn't the only activity we have to control. There's also hitting people who annoy us or shooting the neighbors' mean kids or their noisy dogs, etc. Living together in a society requires self control, and most of us learn to exercise it all the time to greater and lesser degrees. Like any other activity sex needs to be done in a legal manner and preferably with some restraint.

[Nikk]

Originally posted by Lemastre

Like any other activity sex needs to be done in a legal manner and preferably with some restraint.


Handcuffs, Ropes, Electric Cable?:D

[Nikk]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Exactly. But this is my personal point of view.

Another good example is the severity we show to infanticides especially when it comes to mothers. Things become interesting in cases of mothers who have killed their children because they were mentally ill.Even to those cases usually the jury, ignores the illness and exhausts its severity.

OK, so you believe that those who express violent feelings towards pedophiles are in fact surpressing erotic feelings towards children.

That view reminds me of a story told about Freud. He had a fondness for cigars and when lighting up one of his students once asked him to discuss what oral erotic significance the cigar held. Freud replied " sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

By the way I thought that the courts (in Britain) were fairly lenient towards infanticide although I can't find any useful links. Is that not the case where you are?

[c0rbin]

Can you tell which of the criminal acts above was the worse? In my opinion, it was the murder of the child but what about the other murder that was committed in jail? The one murderer kills the other one????

Ahh... the sweet smell of justice.

[hammegk]

Maybe I should have read the prior comments, but, have we suggested The Answer -- give a blowjob to a loaded 45 & be sure to pull the trigger for a real climax?