Loose Change - Part II

[tim]

Lets make sure "I" have this right, OK?


You said all forum members are reminded that "I" should refrain from insults?


Maybe you should take a trip on the way back machine to see who actually initiated the insults and bring it up with them instead of showing as usual biased judgement, Sir.


Look it up



sentinel

Read it carefully. All posters. Not you personally. "All posters on this thread are reminded that you are expected to refrain from insulting other posters."
Please read what I say before you leap to admonish me.

[money]

Well you didn't say "sagged," you said "melted." Are we supposed to divine what you meant instead of what you wrote?



If by "divine", you mean "whack Sentinel with a forked stick 'til he makes sense", then I'm all for it.

[Pak43]

Aah. I was thinking West Midlands. Thanks for clearing that up, and welcome to our little debarkle debunking club.

Many thanks for the welcome! :)
I've been following this thread for weeks and have read it all, now at least part of the debate seems to have moved to our shores, I feel I ought to do my bit to try and stem this tide of stupidity... :bwall

[Sentinel]

is that correct ?





Sentinel

[Gravy]

B.l.e.v.e.d. is that correct ?
Sentinel
Yes, if you're referring to one of the many unlisted titles of Dr. Mas (http://drmas.org/).

[Gravy]

Many thanks for the welcome! :)
I've been following this thread for weeks and have read it all, now at least part of the debate seems to have moved to our shores, I feel I ought to do my bit to try and stem this tide of stupidity... :bwall
Unfortunately, it's more of a tsunami of tsupidity.

[Sentinel]

Look it up.


I understand GRAVY.
You don't know the meaning of the big word so again you show your insecurity with the issue by resorting to Schtict.


It'll be ok


P.S.


The loose and strange crowd is full of laugh including the new investiagtion on "pandering to children" and "Criminal delinquincy of a minor"



Good show LC



Sentinel

[money]

Ahh, gotcha.

BLEVE - Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion

as per http://www.chemaxx.com/explosion18a.htm

As opposed to bleevers, like Kathy.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Look it up.


I understand GRAVY.
You don't know the meaning of the big word so again you show your insecurity with the issue by resorting to Schtict.


It'll be ok


P.S.


The loose and strange crowd is full of laugh including the new investiagtion on "pandering to children" and "Criminal delinquincy of a minor"



Good show LC


Sentinel

urbandictionary.com - no entry
m-w.com - no entry
wikipedia.org - no entry
google.com - bunch of hits for people who can't spell "believed"

Save us some effort and translate please.

[Gravy]

Look it up.


I understand GRAVY.
You don't know the meaning of the big word so again you show your insecurity with the issue by resorting to Schtict.


It'll be ok


P.S.


The loose and strange crowd is full of laugh including the new investiagtion on "pandering to children" and "Criminal delinquincy of a minor"



Good show LC



Sentinel
I'm secure enough not to hit the enter key 15 times so folks will notice a post that says nothing. How many times do you have to be told that your posting style is counterproductive? Please try to communicate clearly.

[Gravy]

urbandictionary.com - no entry
m-w.com - no entry
wikipedia.org - no entry
google.com - bunch of hits for people who can't spell "believed"

Save us some effort and translate please.
This is what Sentinel was trying to communicate (http://me.queensu.ca/people/birk/research/thermalHazards/fieldTrials2000/). Now if he would explain WHY he was trying to communicate that...
Ah, never mind.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Ahh, gotcha.

BLEVE - Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion

as per http://www.chemaxx.com/explosion18a.htm

As opposed to bleevers, like Kathy.

Thanks money, didn't try leaving off the superfluous "d".

[Hellbound]

Okay, so what does BLEVE have to do ith the WTC?

The jet fuel was not boiling, although it was sprayed/dispersed.

Jet fuel is not propane, and it did not have time to boil and spread (like propane does in BLEVEs) before being ignited.

The jet fuel in an airliner's tanks is not under pressure (see here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLEVE)) and is not normally a gas at sea-level pressure and temperature.

The fireball was very large at WTC (over 500ft across, as can be scaled from photos using the width of the building as a guide).

Most of the WTC blast occured inside the building, rather than outside, and was somewhat contained (this being an incendiary blast as opposed to an explosive blast).

So, Sentinal, do you actually have a point to make or did you just think you could say "BLEVE" and we'd all fall down and worhsip your "superior" knowledge? I'd like to know what you think this has to do with 9/11.

[Johnny Pixels]

Oh, I looked up Bleved and found an Ebay seller, but they didn't have anything for sale. I guess it was just as relevant as BLEVE

[Hellbound]

Thanks money, didn't try leaving off the superfluous "d".

Don't feel bad, BLEVE is absolutely unapplicable to this situation. Sentinal just thought his googl-fu was stronger, and search for a nifty term that he thought we wouldn't know, and hoped it would intimidate us into shutting up or make us think he was some sort of fire and explosion expert.

[Gravy]

My next debunking will be of Denmark.
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6116

[Sentinel]

D= past tense


But if the fire was so hot upstair, why was there molten steel in the elevator pits 90 days later and is this consistant with Kerosene/JP4 fuel?


Have a nice day

Sentinel

[Hellbound]

D= past tense


But if the fire was so hot upstair, why was there molten steel in the elevator pits 90 days later and is this consistant with Kerosene/JP4 fuel?


Have a nice day

Sentinel

Easy.

There wasn't.

[Sentinel]

thats funny, got to agree for suureeeee




Sentinel

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

D= past tense


But if the fire was so hot upstair, why was there molten steel in the elevator pits 90 days later and is this consistant with Kerosene/JP4 fuel?


Have a nice day

Sentinel

Acronyms don't have tenses.

ETA: Verbing weirds things.

[Gravy]

Easy.

There wasn't.
...And it isn't.

[Sentinel]

Its a known fact the fire burned for 90 days and there was molten steel in 1/2/7 as comfirmed by numerous personnel on scene unlike you huntsman who talks from the shady side of ignornace.



Have a nice day



Sentinel

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Its a known fact the fire burned for 90 days and there was molten steel in 1/2/7 as comfirmed by numerous personnel on scene unlike you huntsman who talks from the shady side of ignornace.



Have a nice day



Sentinel


Evidence of molten steel?(1)

(1) as opposed to molten metal, which may, or may not, be steel.

[Sentinel]

Got to love the exploitive.


Do they have a tax stamp ID for this store and can we have an audit,please?

Is there an award for the most chips gathered from the dead?







Sentinel

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Ook! Ook! Monkey hate clean! *flings crap*

[Gravy]

Its a known fact the fire burned for 90 days and there was molten steel in 1/2/7 as comfirmed by numerous personnel on scene unlike you huntsman who talks from the shady side of ignornace.
Have a nice day
Sentinel
So someone DID test that metal...you! Please send the test results A.S.A.P. and make BLEVErs out of us.

[Sentinel]

Both comfirmed it.


Look it up.


I'm starting to notice simularities between the skeptic and the truthers. They want to believe oposing sides so badly they both reley on un-investigated conjecture before investigating it first.

I'm starting to believe we have controlled front from both sides here.


Have a nice day

Sentinel

[Sentinel]

Save the home activities for the home dude, Really.

Is wolfshade a trade mark on nazi sunvisors?




Sentinel

[Belz...]

Oh. My. Ed.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6217&st=0

The level of credulity over there has gone past the "Staggering" level and is attaining "Elephantine" status.

Yes it's reached "Mountainous" now, I think :

Why is it so unthinkable that the government might do something like this? Have we all forgotten about Agent Orange?

Yes. Motive = culpability.

Too many Perry Mason episodes, I suppose.

[Gravy]

Both comfirmed it.


Look it up.


I'm starting to notice simularities between the skeptic and the truthers. They want to believe oposing sides so badly they both reley on un-investigated conjecture before investigating it first.

I'm starting to believe we have controlled front from both sides here.


We have looked it up. You're not dealing with the LC crowd here. Mark Loiseaux said he never personally saw molten metal or steel, and Tully later only said metal. Sentinel, the metal was never tested. How do you know it wasn't aluminum, which melts at half the temperature of steel?

Now do you want to try to be coherent for 30 seconds and explain why molten metal in the basements is suspicious?

PLEASE TRY TO MAKE SENSE.

[Belz...]

I have to admit the math is excelent.

I have seen tanker crashes with more fires, though.

LoL, but the comedy in here is even better, Bwaa haa !!

PARLIMENT, OMG !!!

GOD BLESS THE MESS

SENTINEL

More compelling arguments, I see.

[Sentinel]

As a mater of fact yes, right after the criminal tampered with the evidence by having it shiped before forensic investigation. As they began melting it at Gulianis request they were able to comfirm alluminum and steel.

And then they shipped it of to LA smelting plant where it was melted to 3K degrees for the creation of the USS NEW YORK.




Have a nice whatever


Sentinel

[Gravy]

As a mater of fact yes, right after the criminal tampered with the evidence by having it shiped before forensic investigation. As they began melting it at Gulianis request they were able to comfirm alluminum and steel.

And then they shipped it of to LA smelting plant where it was melted to 3K degrees for the creation of the USS NEW YORK.




Have a nice whatever


Sentinel
What's your source for that testing info?

[Sentinel]

Germany USA
Fatherland Security Homewland security
Enabling Act Patriot Act
War on Terror War on terror
Immagrant round up immigrant round up
Booegymen (Jews) Boogeyman (Muslims)






Sentinel

[Belz...]

Why didn't Amb Barbara Bodine (Yemen) let John O'neil return to Yemen to continue his investgation on the U.S.S Cole?

Why did Ambasador Barbara Bodine (Yemen) become the head of the Goverment change over in the early stages in Iraq?

Why were there no WMD in Iraq when intel was 100% ?

These are just some legit questions that need to be focused on.

No, these are just pointless questions that have nothing to do with 9/11.

[Gravy]

Germany USA
Fatherland Security Homewland security
Enabling Act Patriot Act
War on Terror War on terror
Immagrant round up immigrant round up
Booegymen (Jews) Boogeyman (Muslims)

Sentinel
I don't like putting people on "ignore," but you're filling this thread with meaningless blather. This is a discussion forum Sentinel. It's too bad you're not interested in a serious discussion of 9/11. Goodbye.

[Belz...]

Its a known fact the fire burned for 90 days and there was molten steel in 1/2/7 as comfirmed by numerous personnel on scene unlike you huntsman who talks from the shady side of ignornace.

Have a nice day

Sentinel

You DO know the difference between STEEL and other metals, right ?

I mean, finding molten lead isn't really an indication of molten STEEL, is it ?

[DavidJames]

Sentinel:

Just thought I'd let you know. There have been a half dozen or so CTers who have graced this forum to share their "questions" and oblique mysterious, unspecific "theories". I have to say of that group, you are by far the least articulate and most obtuse. Congratulations, you are the worst of the worst :D.

[Belz...]

As a mater of fact yes, right after the criminal tampered with the evidence by having it shiped before forensic investigation. As they began melting it at Gulianis request they were able to comfirm alluminum and steel.

Boy I am so tired of that dead, decomposed horse. Let's stop beating it, okay ?

[brodski]

No, these are just pointless questions that have nothing to do with 9/11.
actually the Iraq WMD is a very good question, which has a lot to do with 9/11 CTs.
The phrasing of the question should be:
"if the US government is organized and evil enough to deliberately murder thousands of its own citizens in front of the worlds media on 9/11- why cant they just plant some WMD in Iraq for themselves to find?"

[rwguinn]

Boy I am so tired of that dead, decomposed horse. Let's stop beating it, okay ?

As Mycroft said to Manny in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
"I think we should stop hitting that mountain"
"Why"
"It's not there any more"

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

actually the Iraq WMD is a very good question, which has a lot to do with 9/11 CTs.
The phrasing of the question should be:
"if the US government is organized and evil enough to deliberately murder thousands of its own citizens in front of the worlds media on 9/11- why cant they just plant some WMD in Iraq for themselves to find?"

Why even plant them. If they have such control over the media, just report we found them.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

As Mycroft said to Manny in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"
"I think we should stop hitting that mountain"
"Why"
"It's not there any more"

Great book. That novel, coupled with Stranger In A Strange Land really caused me to revise my views on what a relationship is.

[brodski]

Why even plant them. If they have such control over the media, just report we found them.
Because we GLOBALISTS never choose the simple option. ;)

[Mashuna]

actually the Iraq WMD is a very good question, which has a lot to do with 9/11 CTs.
The phrasing of the question should be:
"if the US government is organized and evil enough to deliberately murder thousands of its own citizens in front of the worlds media on 9/11- why cant they just plant some WMD in Iraq for themselves to find?"

Well obviously because they'd used up all the WMD to bring the twin towers down in the first place. Then they had to ship over all the melted steel from the basement to Iraq (via China, of course), and pretend it was uranium. Or something.

[brodski]

Well obviously because they'd used up all the WMD to bring the twin towers down in the first place. Then they had to ship over all the melted steel from the basement to Iraq (via China, of course), and pretend it was uranium. Or something.
But couldn't they just have taken some anthrax samples from some Afghan goats and planted them in one of Saddam's palaces or something? I mean, they where passing through. :p

[Belz...]

actually the Iraq WMD is a very good question, which has a lot to do with 9/11 CTs.
The phrasing of the question should be:
"if the US government is organized and evil enough to deliberately murder thousands of its own citizens in front of the worlds media on 9/11- why cant they just plant some WMD in Iraq for themselves to find?"

Wow. How did you manage to understand that in this:

"Why were there no WMD in Iraq when intel was 100% ?"

I thought he meant : "Why didn't we find WMDs in Iraq when intel told us there would be!! ??"

You're already starting to understand him. Good. You'll be my translator from now on, bureaucrat ninja.

[Gravy]

actually the Iraq WMD is a very good question, which has a lot to do with 9/11 CTs.
The phrasing of the question should be:
"if the US government is organized and evil enough to deliberately murder thousands of its own citizens in front of the worlds media on 9/11- why cant they just plant some WMD in Iraq for themselves to find?"
The scientific explanation, which I read in a book I wrote about a dream I had, is that the U.S. had exhausted its stockpiles of naughty chemicals with its chemtrail program, which was supposed to "close" our frontal lobes, thereby giving us 9/11 chemnesia and causing us to forget about the weapons that Iraq didn't have and that we couldn't fake because the chemicals had been weaponized on a cellular level in our brains. Enough frontal lobes remained open that people actually marched in the streets to protest the coming war, until the government invented "American Idol."

Seriously, though, I've asked the "planted WMD" question a number of times, and I've only heard one CT answer it. I'll give you all some reading material on that tonight.

Another question is, why no Iraqi hijackers, if the "conspirators'" motive was invasion of Iraq? One CT said, "Because it would be too obvious."

[Mashuna]

But couldn't they just have taken some anthrax samples from some Afghan goats and planted them in one of Saddam's palaces or something? I mean, they where passing through. :p

Hah - and I thought this was a sceptics forum. Everyone knows that there's no proper, verifiable evidence for the existence of goats. :boxedin:

[dubfan]

thereby giving us 9/11 chemnesia and causing us to forget about the weapons that Iraq didn't have and that we couldn't fake because the chemicals had been weaponized on a cellular level in our brains. Enough frontal lobes remained open that people actually marched in the streets to protest the coming war, until the government invented "American Idol."


Gravy, stop it.

I'm dyin over here.

OT, slightly:

I guess this guy won't be needing his LC account anymore. Maybe we can snag it and recycle it for a suspended JREF'er.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6349

[brodski]

Wow. How did you manage to understand that in this:

"Why were there no WMD in Iraq when intel was 100% ?"

I thought he meant : "Why didn't we find WMDs in Iraq when intel told us there would be!! ??"

You're already starting to understand him. Good. You'll be my translator from now on, bureaucrat ninja.
No- I don't understand Sentinel, I was just doing what I do when I have to provide answers to nonsenseical Parliamentary Questions asked by clueless MPs- I interpret the question to mean whatever the hell I want it to mean, and provide an "answer" which says whatever I wanted to say on the topic all along. :p

[brodski]

Hah - and I thought this was a sceptics forum. Everyone knows that there's no proper, verifiable evidence for the existence of goats. :boxedin: Certain posters here will be very disappointed to learn that their darling "goats" are just very ugly sheep. :p

[Hutch]

Sentinel;

Apologies for the mistake in spelling. I have always had a bad habit of putting 'a' where an 'e' should go.

Now, about that explosion that Arkan and Huntsman demonstrated the math for way back in this thread (like maybe 6 hours ago?). Are yolu planning to cite any reasons for why the explosion 'looks' bigger than it should have been?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Sentinel;

Apologies for the mistake in spelling. I have always had a bad habit of putting 'a' where an 'e' should go.

Now, about that explosion that Arkan and Huntsman demonstrated the math for way back in this thread (like maybe 6 hours ago?). Are yolu planning to cite any reasons for why the explosion 'looks' bigger than it should have been?

Whoa, totally wasn't me. I like exploding things, but math of explosions isn't my forte.

[brodski]

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

looks like the excuses and recrimination have started...
Meacher will be first against the wall come the revolution

[realitybites]

I believe that with Dylan's film, David Ray Griffin's expert testimony, your backing and my organisational ability to pull all this together, we have missed an opportunity to expose the truth of 9/11 in a controlled, managed manner...
I thought they were just asking questions...?

[Orb]

My new favorite RoxDog Quote:

That's because you are nieve and uneducated.


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6349

[Hellbound]

Sentinel;

Apologies for the mistake in spelling. I have always had a bad habit of putting 'a' where an 'e' should go.

Now, about that explosion that Arkan and Huntsman demonstrated the math for way back in this thread (like maybe 6 hours ago?). Are yolu planning to cite any reasons for why the explosion 'looks' bigger than it should have been?

Wait, he's saying it looks bigger than it should've been?

I thought he was complaining it was small!!!

If anything, I would've expected a bit more before I did the calculations, but it seems about right to me at this time. I couldn't give an exact size, but this seems well within the parameters for such a blast.

[Apollyon]

Good Lord that letter to Meacher is horrid. Out of the entire 'massive wave' of people LC claims they are converting to the TRUTH, can't they find just one who demonstrates even the most basic knowledge of grammar, punctuation, and syntax?

[brodski]

I thought they were just asking questions...?
they are, they are asking questions like
"did you know that 9/11 was an inside job"
or
"are you too stupid to see that 9/11 was an evil zionist-masonic-nazi plot to take over there world?"

But yeah, having known Mr Meacher after that letter he'll be distancing himself even further from the loosers.

Mind you, I always had a suspicion that he thought that buying into the 9/11 CTs would play well with the large Muslim population of Oldham West and Royten, he’s realized that LC would loose him more political capital than it would gain him.

[Brainster]

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

looks like the excuses and recrimination have started...
Meacher will be first against the wall come the revolution

Wait a minute! I'm confused. Weren't we assured (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4286&view=findpost&p=4613753):

dylan avery said...
the screening's on, but Meacher has found someone to replace himself. but we're trying to keep this on the DOWN LOW, eh? right now as far as the public record knows, Meacher likes our movie and is responsible for organizing the screening. if Meacher makes a public statement, great. but right now, the cancellation/transfer is all behind the scenes.

TRUST ME. the screening is going forward, one way or another.

I hope that the administrators on the LC board don't lie, but even that would be preferable to knowing that the great god Dylan himself had been guilty of mendacity. :eek:

[MarkyX]

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

looks like the excuses and recrimination have started...
Meacher will be first against the wall come the revolution

Is there a way I can email this PM guy? Wouldn't mind sending him a link to Screw Loose Change so he can be informed about all the BS of LC.

EDIT: And the Venice Film Festival.

[brodski]

Is there a way I can email this PM guy? Wouldn't mind sending him a link to Screw Loose Change so he can be informed about all the BS of LC.
Sorry do you mean MP guy- i.e Meacher?
Sure, you can contact his assistant at massonm@parliament.uk
several of us have already sent him gravy's debunk of loose change.
he decided to drop the loosers like a hot potato.
coincidence? :D

[dubfan]

I hope that the administrators on the LC board don't lie, but even that would be preferable to knowing that the great god Dylan himself had been guilty of mendacity. :eek:

You have to learn how to read Dylan-speak.

His denials about his posts at Little Green Footballs read the same way. "It's just someone with the same name, that is all."

He loves that tag, "that is all." As if that settles the issue.

Note that he does not say, "I did not make those posts."

[MarkyX]

Sorry do you mean MP guy- i.e Meacher?
Sure, you can contact his assistant at massonm@parliament.uk
several of us have already sent him gravy's debunk of loose change.
he decided to drop the loosers like a hot potato.
coincidence? :D

Cool, now we need to find a way to contact the Venice Film Fesitval so they can cancel Loose Change.

People need to realize that Loose Change has no real facts behind it.

[WildCat]

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

looks like the excuses and recrimination have started...
Meacher will be first against the wall come the revolution
From the letter:
When this story breaks, which according to my sources in the mainstream media is going to happen in the not to distant future, with the BBC now appointing a senior correspondent to investigate the 9/11 claims, I hope you will look deep into your conscience.
Not too distant future = not now, not soon, not ever.

Meacher can sleep well tonight.

[XXX]

Cool, now we need to find a way to contact the Venice Film Fesitval so they can cancel Loose Change.

People need to realize that Loose Change has no real facts behind it.

From the Cinema section of the Venice Film festival "contact us" part of the website.

Press Office

Tel. +39 041 5218861 - Fax +39 041 5200569

e-mail foreignpress@labiennale.org

[kookbreaker]

Are these letters to various politicians starting to take a rather Oswaldian turn, or is it just me?

[MarkyX]

From the Cinema section of the Venice Film festival "contact us" part of the website.

Press Office

Tel. +39 041 5218861 - Fax +39 041 5200569

e-mail foreignpress@labiennale.org

Well kids, start emailing :)

http://alexjonescrazy.ytmnd.com/

[brodski]

Cool, now we need to find a way to contact the Venice Film Fesitval so they can cancel Loose Change.

People need to realize that Loose Change has no real facts behind it.
you may want to try here (http://www.labiennale.org/en/cinema/) although given the rules, I don't think that LC will be eligible to enter, though.

It is now possible to submit films to the selection of the 63rd Venice Film Festival (August 30 - September 9, 2006). Check out the regulations (http://www.labiennale.org/en/cinema/regulations/) and fill in the online entry-form (http://85.18.22.22/cinema2006o/selcinema12005e.aspx), available both for feature-length and for short films. Films must be presented as world premieres or at least never publicly screened outside their country of origin or in Italy. The deadline for submission is June 15, 2006.


(my bold- from the above link)

[XXX]

although given the rules, I don't think that LC will be eligible to enter, though.

He said LC was selected for a "special" screening, not an entry. They will be showing films that are not entered during this festival as well.

[brodski]

He said LC was selected for a "special" screening, not an entry. They will be showing films that are not entered during this festival as well. I suspect that all that means is that LTW will have paid for a screening, as many people do at film festivals, this is not an endorsement of the film by the Venice film festival. Even if it where, i don't think that pointing out the lies in loose change will do much, they will be showing many works of fiction ;)
That said, i think pointing out that the entire film is made up of stolen footage- which LTW have absolutely no right to use may prompt a swift withdrawal of the film. The Venice film festival staff may not be prepared to wade through a debunk of loose change (or may even decide that the loose change point of view deserves a platform, even if they disagree with that point of view) however they will be very interested in copyright matters.

[steve s]

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

looks like the excuses and recrimination have started...
Meacher will be first against the wall come the revolution

From that blog...

During our second conversation I told you, that what I was seeking was 'of Churchillian proportions', requiring resolute bravery but that David Ray Griffin, Dylan Avery (two people whose committment remains undiminished) and I would support you. In the final analysis, your courage deserted you.

Churchillian proportions?! These guys are so [Rule8]ing full of themselves, aren't they?

And is this the same "undiminished commitment" with which Dylan stood up to the Naudet brothers?

Steve S.

[dubfan]

Our lonely Loose Change thread here needs a bump so....

Here's your nightly dose of random stupidity:

Hi,

I'm new to this forum so please forgive any errors in posting procedures as I get used to how things work.

The reason I’m here is to invite informed and sensible discussion on the evidence that no planes hit the WTC on Sept11.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6260&view=findpost&p=5277337

[Kent1]

From the letter:

Not too distant future = not now, not soon, not ever.

Meacher can sleep well tonight.

I'd like to know who this person is from BBC so I can e-mail them.

[JamesB]

Oh my God, that is hilarious, that has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever read. The World Trade Center was hit by giant flying blobs! That settles it.

[WildCat]

Oh my God, that is hilarious, that has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever read. The World Trade Center was hit by giant flying blobs! That settles it.
Actually the WTC didn't really exist. It was a hologram, only the 1st 5 floors were real. The elevators didn't really go anywhere, and the view from the top floor restaurant was just a projection on a screen.

It's true. :)

[Ramooone]

I'd like to know who this person is from BBC so I can e-mail them.

i work at BBC america and know for a fact that no one in the american office is talking about it.

[Kent1]

Our lonely Loose Change thread here needs a bump so....

Here's your nightly dose of random stupidity:



http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6260&view=findpost&p=5277337

Ah Holmgren is in the house. LOL!!!!
I don't know if he still supports this, but Read this LOL!!!
http://www.gallerize.com/What_Is_The_Hologram_Theory.htm

[WildCat]

My brain hurts.

[JamesB]

No, he says on the thread that you can't mention holograms. You guys are breaking the rules!

[dubfan]

Ah Holmgren is in the house. LOL!!!!
I don't know if he still supports this, but Read this LOL!!!
http://www.gallerize.com/What_Is_The_Hologram_Theory.htm

Chucksheen is not amused at my spoof (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6369&view=findpost&p=5330246)

[Kent1]

No, he says on the thread that you can't mention holograms. You guys are breaking the rules!
He used to be known as "hologram" Holmgren.
He's very mentaly ill. He went nuts on Steven Jones when Jones didn't buy the no plane theory. But I think they have some sort of an agreement now.

[JamesB]

LOL That was hilarious dub. The sad thing is that it is just about as accurate.

[Mashuna]

Sorry do you mean MP guy- i.e Meacher?
Sure, you can contact his assistant at massonm@parliament.uk
several of us have already sent him gravy's debunk of loose change.
he decided to drop the loosers like a hot potato.
coincidence? :D

Own up, when you say you've already sent him Gravy's debunk of Loose Change, you mean you've been issuing him with death threats, don't you. DON'T YOU! :boggled:

[dubfan]

http://www.gallerize.com/What_Is_The_Hologram_Theory.htm

I just got to this. OMG, that is the funniest thing I have ever seen. It's a towering masterpiece of conspiradroid lunacy.

[JamesB]

For example. Lets say the plane was real. It enters the building with no slowdown (my pixel by pixel analysis shows at most a 2% slowdown... well within statistical error of 0%). Amazing. This means that while the plane was entering, it was expending energy by breaking the walls AND expending energy by accelerating these impacted areas.

If that is the case, we must assume that the kinetic energy of the plane FAR exceeded that of the building. But wait a minute... if that was the case, why didn't the plane fly through to the other side like a bullet ? After all, if it lost 0 energy after travelling 75% of the way across the building, how could it lose all of it in the remaining 25%... twice in one day no less!

OMG I missed this part. Could someone please explain how he was able to calculate these extremely precise measurements of acceleration from a 24 frame per second video footage of a plane crash?

And how exactly does a building standing still have kinetic energy in relation to a plane crashing into it? This could change the study of physics as we know it.

[RandFan]

Chucksheen is not amused at my spoof (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6369&view=findpost&p=5330246)But DJLegacy likes it.

[dubfan]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6304&view=findpost&p=5294085

Can someone explain the passengers?

I can't really remember everything about it and people keep asking me "what about the phonecalls?"

I feel like a real wacko if I start talking about voice-changing devices.

Don't you just HATE that? You start explaining your conspiracy theory to your buddies and maybe the hottie at the bar with the kickin little tramp-stamp, and you listen to yourself, and you think, "My god, what am I saying? Am I some kind of wacko?"

The answer to that question is, yes. If you are talking about voice-changing devices, you are a wacko.

[Kent1]

Killtown says:
"I think there are 25-28 videos of the 2nd hit. Even though that seems like a lot of videos to alter, just think how fast computers are today and what they can do. Now think of what the very best computers can do that the military possesses.

And I haven't seen one "amateur" video to date."

Really?
Well there you go....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2859455565562890133&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11

[Brainster]

Chucksheen is not amused at my spoof (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6369&view=findpost&p=5330246)

There are no small men living inside your TV, that's just plain nuts.

There are normal-sized men living inside your TV; the TV works like a reversed telescope, making them appear small.

[brodski]

Own up, when you say you've already sent him Gravy's debunk of Loose Change, you mean you've been issuing him with death threats, don't you. DON'T YOU! :boggled: With some of the things Meacher has done in is career I've been tempted, but him being a 9/11 CT nut isn't on the top of that list. :p

[NobbyNobbs]

Sentinel, I have two questions for you. Please don't take them the wrong way; I'm asking them honestly. The answers may help to clear up why people are having trouble understanding your posts.

1) How old are you?

2) Is English your first language?

Thanks in advance for your honesty.

[MarkyX]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6304&view=findpost&p=5294085



Don't you just HATE that? You start explaining your conspiracy theory to your buddies and maybe the hottie at the bar with the kickin little tramp-stamp, and you listen to yourself, and you think, "My god, what am I saying? Am I some kind of wacko?"

The answer to that question is, yes. If you are talking about voice-changing devices, you are a wacko.

Voice changing devices only work on pre-recorded conservations. Even so, you would need to study the personality of each and every person so they make it sound 'authentic' to the loved ones.

Remember that Mark talked to two of his relatives before talking with his mom. The voice-morphing technology only stated that they go for recorded messages and didn't say anything about fooling multiple people in a live conversation. Therefore, no technology was used on Flight 93.

[Ducky]

Voice changing devices only work on pre-recorded conservations. Even so, you would need to study the personality of each and every person so they make it sound 'authentic' to the loved ones.

Remember that Mark talked to two of his relatives before talking with his mom. The voice-morphing technology only stated that they go for recorded messages and didn't say anything about fooling multiple people in a live conversation. Therefore, no technology was used on Flight 93.


Which devices specifically are you referring to? If there was a link I apologise for missing it but this thread moves fast.

I am a recording engineer, and any computer effect you can use on a prerecorded snippet can be modified to affect a streaming recording too.


Not that I support this theory, but let's at least get our arguments accurate.

[Belz...]

Chucksheen is not amused at my spoof (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6369&view=findpost&p=5330246)

:D

[Johnny Pixels]

Would a sound-a-like be good enough though? People talk in particular ways, I realise they'd be in a stressful situation, but people tend to say things in one way rather than another. My only example of this is a bit weak, but I talked to my friends boyfriend on MSN once, and ratted him out straight away, because the way he says stuff is different from the way she says stuff.

[chipmunk stew]

Chucksheen is not amused at my spoof (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6369&view=findpost&p=5330246)You're back! Did you get reinstated, or did the suspension expire?

I notice DJLegacy has been stripped of his power.

[MarkyX]

Which devices specifically are you referring to? If there was a link I apologise for missing it but this thread moves fast.

I am a recording engineer, and any computer effect you can use on a prerecorded snippet can be modified to affect a streaming recording too.


Not that I support this theory, but let's at least get our arguments accurate.

I lost the link, but it was talking about Powell being 'captured' and so forth.

However, it mentioned only recorded messages. It never said anything about handling a live conversation that can handle multiple people.

[Ducky]

I lost the link, but it was talking about Powell being 'captured' and so forth.

However, it mentioned only recorded messages. It never said anything about handling a live conversation that can handle multiple people.


It wouldn't need to handle multiple people, it would just need to handle each source seperately.

[dubfan]

You're back! Did you get reinstated, or did the suspension expire?

Suspension just expired on 6/13 at 1PM.

I notice DJLegacy has been stripped of his power.

Temporarily. 24 hrs, I think. Not sure why.

[aggle-rithm]

Sentinel, I have two questions for you. Please don't take them the wrong way; I'm asking them honestly. The answers may help to clear up why people are having trouble understanding your posts.

1) How old are you?



I'm guessing 97.

Shall we start a pool?

[aggle-rithm]

I notice DJLegacy has been stripped of his power.

I haven't seen so many purges since Stalin.

[chipmunk stew]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5861&view=findpost&p=5335376
Well now My account has been validated by the Administrators at JREF... this is going to be interesting to say the least........

Oh wells what ever comes my way, I will not be backin down..... http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/boxing.gif http://67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/boxing.gifw00t!

[chipmunk stew]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5861&view=findpost&p=5139400
CurtC, I am curious. Please respond honestly to the following.

Have you seen:

Who Killed John O'Neil?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=19...who+killed+john (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=19...who+killed+john)

Instead of worrying about people who don’t buy into the official story....
tell us why YOU’RE so blind....and can’t think for yourself.

WE are the crazy people???

Hey you believe THEIR wild story without even needing proof?!!!?

you see a plane in the Pentagon?
you see a plane in Shanksville?
wtc7 fell cause there was a FIRE in it?!?!
Both towers fell, at FREE FALL speed?
HOW do you know there were 19 terrorists? And don’t say "I watched the news"

You see, if you buy the 9/11 story, without one shred of proof, YOU my friends are the wack jobs.

So go ahead, attack the messenger, COMPLETELY ignore the message!!!!

No need to have chips planted in our heads to control our thoughts. We just watch the “news”.

When the whole world is protesting in the streets for 9/11 justice, you’ll be the last one with your head still in the sand.

So, what’s it like being a spook? Are you with MI5 or the CIA?

A few thousand spooks can’t control two billion internet users.

Your scoffing sounds more like the desperations of a dying regime.

Scoff all you like. No doubt you’ll fry in the chair with the rest of the culprits.

I’m sure the good folk of the US will reinstitute the electric chair when this can of worms is levered fully open.

The authorities didn’t factor the internet into their 9/11 conspiracy.

2 airplanes, 3 buildings. Someone at the CIA didn’t do their math when planning 9/11.

Even Hollywood does a better job than 9/11!!

The US authorities have much more resources than a bunch of fanatics in the Middle East.

Tonights bedtime story: Once upon a time there was a 9/11…

Power tends to corrupt. Just look at 9/11 for proof…

Santa, the Easter Bunny, 9/11,... some people will believe anything.

Talk about connecting the dots:

Who Killed John O'Neil?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=19...who+killed+john (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=19...who+killed+john)

Then when you are done with that don't rely on Loose Change, it's not the only documentary covering the inconsistancies. Checkout the following site and get all documentaries under your belt. If you are honest with yourself and watch them completely you will never believe the official 9/11 Cover Story again.

http://www.UniversalSeed.org (http://www.universalseed.org/) - Inconvenient Truths
Best chucksheen post ever...

[Mashuna]

WE are the crazy people

I've edited Chucksheen's post to the key message, to save time.

It's ok, no need to thank me, consider it a public service.

[Hutch]

Best chucksheen post ever...

You see, that is why chuckie is upset with dubfan's spoof: it did not give him a reason to link his two most favorite things in the whole wide world (the John O'Neil movie and universalseed) and that made him grumpy.

So DJLegacy is now feeling the heat; wonder if it had anything to do with his sad performance over here...our maybe he should just change his name to Robspierre...

[Brainster]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5861&view=findpost&p=5139400

Best chucksheen post ever...

Anybody ever catalog all the major conspiracy theories on this, and who believes them? I mean, you got your "no planes" theorists, you got your planes into the WTC but not the Pentagon believers, you've got the LIHOP crowd, and I'm sure there are a couple out there who believe the only conspiracy was to cover up the shooting down of Flight 93. Then of course you've got who did it: the Neocons at PNAC, the Zionists, 19 hijackers duped by Tim Osmann, CIA agent. Chuck Sheen seems to think it's like a Chinese restaurant; you take one from column A, two from column B....

[kookbreaker]

Chucksheen could use some 'Dilute! Dilute! OK! OK! Jellyfish! Dinosaurs!" in his post.

[Belz...]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5861&view=findpost&p=5139400

Best chucksheen post ever...

Certainly worthy of Conspiracy Theorists Say The Darndest Things.

[60hzxtl]

Anybody ever catalog all the major conspiracy theories on this, and who believes them? I mean, you got your "no planes" theorists, you got your planes into the WTC but not the Pentagon believers, you've got the LIHOP crowd, and I'm sure there are a couple out there who believe the only conspiracy was to cover up the shooting down of Flight 93. Then of course you've got who did it: the Neocons at PNAC, the Zionists, 19 hijackers duped by Tim Osmann, CIA agent. Chuck Sheen seems to think it's like a Chinese restaurant; you take one from column A, two from column B....


Please, It is an unending task and your head will blow up - They contradict, overlap, cancel each other out, and support everthing from Zardoz to floride in the water. I like the latest ones about chemtrails - and this quote had me rolling:

---im not a doctor but i had cold/flu-like symptoms that did not feel like the flu/cold. i think something might be going on, potentially to kill off or sedate those who might be hearing about the truth.

any thoughts on this? ---


Yipes! Then how do you know it's not just a hangnail?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5861&view=findpost&p=5335376
w00t!

You mean it won't be another DJLegacy thread gull incident?

[azazal]

Sentinel;

Apologies for the mistake in spelling. I have always had a bad habit of putting 'a' where an 'e' should go.

Now, about that explosion that Arkan and Huntsman demonstrated the math for way back in this thread (like maybe 6 hours ago?). Are yolu planning to cite any reasons for why the explosion 'looks' bigger than it should have been?
Whoa, totally wasn't me. I like exploding things, but math of explosions isn't my forte.


*cough* :D

[kookbreaker]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5861&view=findpost&p=5335376
w00t!

'course, you never have to back down if you never got started.

[Regnad Kcin]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5861&view=findpost&p=5335376
w00t!I've noticed from the few times going to their forums that JREF forums are all about just taking whatever the government or corporations tell them as truth...because it's "official". If you are alternative..."YOU'RE CRAZY!"Damn, this guy has seen through us. Why, oh why do we succumb to the power of the word "official?" I told you all it would be our undoing sooner or later!

[chipmunk stew]

Damn, this guy has seen through us. Why, oh why do we succumb to the power of the word "official?" I told you all it would be our undoing sooner or later!I read in an official, corporate-sponsored study that Amorelli's observation skills are poor. Must be true.

[Belz...]

Please, It is an unending task and your head will blow up - They contradict, overlap, cancel each other out, and support everthing from Zardoz to floride in the water. I like the latest ones about chemtrails - and this quote had me rolling:

---im not a doctor but i had cold/flu-like symptoms that did not feel like the flu/cold. i think something might be going on, potentially to kill off or sedate those who might be hearing about the truth.

any thoughts on this? ---

Cold/flu-like symptoms that don't feel like the flu/cold. Yep. That's a non-non-contradiction if I ever heard one.

[Belz...]

Damn, this guy has seen through us. Why, oh why do we succumb to the power of the word "official?" I told you all it would be our undoing sooner or later!

He's never been in the Politics subforum...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

He's never been in the Politics subforum...

It's pretty clear that the LC forumites view the entire JREF forum as being the General Skepticism and The Paranormal subforum. They either do not look at, or even recognize: Science and Mathematics; Religion and Philosophy; Politics; Education and Literature; Computers and the Internet; or any of the casual/entertainment subforums.

[pgwenthold]

Cold/flu-like symptoms that don't feel like the flu/cold. Yep. That's a non-non-contradiction if I ever heard one.

It's just like a controlled demolition that does not look like a controlled demolition, thereby proving that it was a never-previously-used-type controlled demolition.

[Apollyon]

Cold/flu-like symptoms that don't feel like the flu/cold. Yep. That's a non-non-contradiction if I ever heard one.
It could be a serious allergic reaction to evidence.

[brodski]

It could be a serious allergic reaction to evidence. don't be silly, loosers avoid evidence at all costs, they've never been in enough contact with evidence for an allergic reaction to occur. :p

[Apollyon]

don't be silly, loosers avoid evidence at all costs, they've never been in enough contact with evidence for an allergic reaction to occur. :p
I have an allergey to Jasmine and avoid it at all costs too. Unfortunately, despite any evasion technique, it occassionally finds me.

There's little doubt in my mind it was a purely accidental exposure. :p

[Hutch]

*cough* :D

Many and abject apologies, azazal; I remembered it started with an 'a', but I was simply too lazy to wander back in the thread to find it, so I took a guess--should know better than to do that with this bunch.

Ought to be a rule that any thread over 1000 posts gets locked down and a new one started; impossible to keep up.

[Correa Neto]

It's pretty clear that the LC forumites view the entire JREF forum as being the General Skepticism and The Paranormal subforum. They either do not look at, or even recognize: Science and Mathematics; Religion and Philosophy; Politics; Education and Literature; Computers and the Internet; or any of the casual/entertainment subforums.

For their own good, they'd better stay away from R&P. Lifegazer is back and they would most likely think he's right... Assuming, of course they would manage to read one of his posts.

[dubfan]

There are no small men living inside your TV, that's just plain nuts.

There are normal-sized men living inside your TV; the TV works like a reversed telescope, making them appear small.

What are you, some kind of CIA shill?

COINTELPRO!!

It's teh disinformation!!1111

[Brainster]

Please, It is an unending task and your head will blow up - They contradict, overlap, cancel each other out, and support everthing from Zardoz to floride in the water.

Well, I was just thinking of the reasonable, errr, responsible, errr, possible, errr....

Maybe you're right.

[Regnad Kcin]

...Ought to be a rule that any thread over 1000 posts gets locked down and a new one started; impossible to keep up.I don't know if a rule is warranted, but I essentially agree with you. About 500-1000 posts ago I suggested to Zakur that this one be closed and Pt. 3 begun. Who knows when or if it'll be done.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

For their own good, they'd better stay away from R&P. Lifegazer is back and they would most likely think he's right... Assuming, of course they would manage to read one of his posts.

On the flip side, they might end up with exposure to hammegk. Consider:

1. CTers exposure to undiluted hammegk.
2. ?
3. Profit!

[dubfan]

Killtown says:
"I think there are 25-28 videos of the 2nd hit. Even though that seems like a lot of videos to alter, just think how fast computers are today and what they can do. Now think of what the very best computers can do that the military possesses.

And I haven't seen one "amateur" video to date."

Really?
Well there you go....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2859455565562890133&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11

Posted.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6260&view=findpost&p=5341419

[Mr. Skinny]

I don't know if a rule is warranted, but I essentially agree with you. About 500-1000 posts ago I suggested to Zakur that this one be closed and Pt. 3 begun. Who knows when or if it'll be done.
I predict it'll never be done, since Zakur isn't a moderator.

Do I win the million?

[DavidJames]

Posted.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6260&view=findpost&p=5341419
Killtown is my new favorite CTer, he is the new standard by which I measure all CTers :)

[Darat]

If it is at a natural point (I'm not following it you lot post way too much!) I can close it and you can start part 3.

[Brainster]

This song (http://intherightplace.blogspot.com/2006/06/ms-american-spy.html) will probably not be as amusing to those who were rooting for Karl Rove to be indicted, but I did want to note the Loose Change mention.

This part comes in the song where McLean sings, "Did you write the Book of Love and do you have faith in God above..."

Did you see the film Loose Change?
And do you have faith you're not deranged
Though ev'rybody tells you so?
Do you believe in "Downing Street"
The "Memo" that'll get Shrub impeached?
And can you prove Kerry won O-hi-o?

[Sentinel]

I see the skeptic board seems to deal in conjecture and no investigation on the legit questions Posted.



1.Why didn't Amb Barbara Bodine (Yemen) allow John O'neil (NY-FBI Terror Chief back into country to do the follow up?

2. Why was the State of Florida the only state in the union under State of Emergency on September 7 2001?

3. Why did the President not follow the warning on the Aug 6 PDB regarding OBL and the hijack threat?

4. Why did the president continue on his non-important talk with school children in sarasota when he already knew about the first hit as by John Cochran ABC news "Mr President do you know about whats happening in NY?" The President: "Yes, I do, I'll have something to say about later?"


5. Why did the Mayor of NYC confiscate public city records and put them in his private storage Which amount to Grand Larcen. 2 "The Theft of Public records?"


Sure looks english to me.


Sentinel

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I see the skeptic board seems to deal in conjecture and no investigation on the legit questions Posted.



1.Why didn't Amb Barbara Bodine (Yemen) allow John O'neil (NY-FBI Terror Chief back into country to do the follow up?

2. Why was the State of Florida the only state in the union under State of Emergency on September 7 2001?

3. Why did the President not follow the warning on the Aug 6 PDB regarding OBL and the hijack threat?

4. Why did the president continue on his non-important talk with school children in sarasota when he already knew about the first hit as by John Cochran ABC news "Mr President do you know about whats happening in NY?" The President: "Yes, I do, I'll have something to say about later?"


5. Why did the Mayor of NYC confiscate public city records and put them in his private storage Which amount to Grand Larcen. 2 "The Theft of Public records?"


Sure looks english to me.


Sentinel

Looks like a bunch of questions. Questions are not evidence. Questions are not a hypothesis that can be independently reviewed for accuracy.

[Mashuna]

I see the skeptic board seems to deal in conjecture and no investigation on the legit questions Posted.



1.Why didn't Amb Barbara Bodine (Yemen) allow John O'neil (NY-FBI Terror Chief back into country to do the follow up?

2. Why was the State of Florida the only state in the union under State of Emergency on September 7 2001?

3. Why did the President not follow the warning on the Aug 6 PDB regarding OBL and the hijack threat?

4. Why did the president continue on his non-important talk with school children in sarasota when he already knew about the first hit as by John Cochran ABC news "Mr President do you know about whats happening in NY?" The President: "Yes, I do, I'll have something to say about later?"


5. Why did the Mayor of NYC confiscate public city records and put them in his private storage Which amount to Grand Larcen. 2 "The Theft of Public records?"


Sure looks english to me.


Sentinel


And can you sceptics answer the following legitimate questions:

1. Is my glass half full or half empty?

2. Who put the ram in the ramalamadingdong?

3. Can you tell me how to get to Sesame Street?

4. What's in my pocketsess?

5. Where did I put my car keys?

Actually, don't worry about questions four and five, they've just answered themselves.

[Sentinel]

Thats what forensic investigation is about. If you don't ask questions then you'll end up like the dweeds at LC who will believe anything they're told.
Thats why there are people like myself who are very skeptical of everyone on both the right and the left.

If you won't stand up for something then you'll lay down for anything.


Have a nice day




Sentinel

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Thats what forensic investigation is about. If you don't ask questions then you'll end up like the dweeds at LC who will believe anything they're told.
Thats why there are people like myself who are very skeptical of everyone on both the right and the left.

If you won't stand up for something then you'll lay down for anything.

Have a nice day

Sentinel

You questions are loaded and biased; therefore useless for investigative purposes. Your continual assumptions about what other forumites think, have for opinions; or do, or don't do; reveals your arrogance.

The fact you continual post nothing but questions, and put the effort of validating your W.A.G.s shows you have nothing to stand on.

The fact that you've been shown what is necessary to put together a scientifically valid hypothesis, and present it; yet choose not to, shows that you are guilty of exactly that which you bemoan in your post.

[Sentinel]

Whats funny about it is no one seems able to answer the legit questions it all just comes down to silly answers.

If you love your country as much as you claim you'd pay attention to whats happening.

But, I guess everyone is for the free ride and won't expend a single ounce of blood to defend it. So when it looks like Iraq on the streets, remember the troops and the first responders.

It seems they're the only one with the balls to fight for whats right while some of you are just full of jokes.



God Bless


Sentinel

[Sentinel]

Tell me one Item in the inquiery thats biased and not fact.
The fact is some of you are just jerks with no sence of up or down. Sure my writing needs work but have you even bother to counter the questions on points rather than resort to sophisticated jiberish, Really?




Sentinel

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Whats funny about it is no one seems able to answer the legit questions it all just comes down to silly answers.

It's been explained why your questions are meaningless. Try reading the answers instead of spewing out some knee-jerk response.


If you love your country as much as you claim you'd pay attention to whats happening.

1) This is an international forum.
2) More blatant arrogance. You assume that just because your thread gull behavior isn't affecting the desired outcome that people aren't (outside of this forum) active in world. How trite.


But, I guess everyone is for the free ride and won't expend a single ounce of blood to defend it. So when it looks like Iraq on the streets, remember the troops and the first responders.

What are you doing besides posting unsubstatiated drivel on message boards?


It seems they're the only one with the balls to fight for whats right while some of you are just full of jokes.

Tell that to Huntsman's face. He's (been) a medic in Iraq. See my previous question. Hypocrit.

[Sentinel]

Why the hell are they in Iraq ?

WMDs ? Really


I don't fear any man on the god damn planet so take your little scare tactic to someone who lives on fear acorns -N- ******. You don't have the slightest damn clue who I am or where I've been, Dig It?




Sentinel

Edited for breach of rule 8.

[Louicifer]

Hi everyone ! First post here and jumping straight in the fire. Well, I've been lurking long enough and read both LC treads.

Even though questions aren't evidence, here's a good one : Would it have been easier for the goverment to publish fake satellite pictures showing WMD to go to war instead of all this micmac CD-fake plane-cover-up thing ?

P.S.: Yes, english is my second language and I won't mind a little help ;)

[Sentinel]

Thats all that was stated.
Answer the questions.



Oh, and by the way, my brother is forrce recion with three damn tours.
My family is long in the military, we put our blood in a long time ago.




Sentinel

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Why the hell are they in Iraq ?

WMDs ? Really

I don't fear any man on the god damn planet so take your little scare tactic to someone who lives on fear acorns -N- *******. You don't have the slightest damn clue who I am or where I've been, Dig It?

Sentinel

I don't care who you are, where you've been, or where you are now. I pointed to Huntsman to highlight the fact that there are people on this forum that are currently risking their lives so smacktards like yourself and spout off any nonsense you feel like.

[Apollyon]

I see the skeptic board seems to deal in conjecture and no investigation on the legit questions Posted.

2. Why was the State of Florida the only state in the union under State of Emergency on September 7 2001?

You claim to have thoroughly investigated things. So why do you regurgitate the same commonly held misconceptions that every other CT looney tune does? Did you ever bother to fact check this claim?

Florida, of which I'm a long-time resident, was not under a State of Emergency on Sept. 7. Jeb Bush issued EO 01-261 to update EO 01-17. The new EO specified that National Guard troops should be trained to support law enforcement personnel in the event of a civil disturbance or natural disaster. Bush also delegated the Adjutant General of Florida the authority to order National Guard troops into active service to fulfill this training requirement.

It was not any sort of "State of Emergency" or martial law, as so many of your compatriots in spreading false information keep repeating over and over.

Get your facts straight.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Thats all that was stated.
Answer the questions.
...
Sentinel

Let me spell it out for you:

Your. Questions. Are. Crap.

Post a statement that can be discussed and stop relying on innuendo through questions.

[CptColumbo]

Hi everyone ! First post here and jumping straight in the fire. Well, I've been lurking long enough and read both LC treads.

Even though questions aren't evidence, here's a good one : Would it have been easier for the goverment to publish fake satellite pictures showing WMD to go to war instead of all this micmac CD-fake plane-cover-up thing ?

P.S.: Yes, english is my second language and I won't mind a little help ;)
Welcome,

Yes, and yet they didn't find when they looked for them in Iraq. You would think that if the Gov't was able to pull off such an elaborate scheme as 9-11, they would have been able to plant a few nukes in Iraq.

Your English is pretty good. Quite a bit better than my French.

[60hzxtl]

Sentinal,

Have you answered the question about "no intact bodies" found besides John O'Neil?

Have you asked around at work about Capt. Patrick Brown?

I rode with him for a week when he was at Rescue One, in the early '90's.

I was at St. Paul's when the found him. Word spread fast that day.

[Sentinel]

yes, and again thats the reason I'm trying to find out what happened to my friends who were lost. Unlike the jerkoffs who spend their day downing peoples questions and the volchures circling to make a buck off them, I've put my own money time sweat blood and tears into this.

Some people are just natural born ******** so I won't be dealing with them anymore.


Yes, Why was florida the only state scared of terrorism and why did the president leave the country unguarded?


Why did Mayor Guliani steal public records to place them in private storage?


Why did the president IN FLORIDA stay talking with children? Why didn't the Secret Service place him protective custody?



Why are people with family history in collaboration with the NAZIs in power?




And I could give a god damn if you don't lhave any respect for me or what I'm doing or where I've been because it's obvious you're a damn clown.

And the proper spelling was (USMC Force Recon)

Keep it real or else !!!



Sentinel

[Trifikas]

Thats what forensic investigation is about. If you don't ask questions then you'll end up like the dweeds at LC who will believe anything they're told.
Thats why there are people like myself who are very skeptical of everyone on both the right and the left.

If you won't stand up for something then you'll lay down for anything.

Have a nice day
Sentinel

Well, be fair here. Forensic Investigation doesn't involve asking random statements, they have a working theory and ask questions that determine the validity of the theory. (with the possible exception of VERY preliminary questions like asking witnessess "What did you see?") That being said,


Q2. Why was the State of Florida the only state in the union under State of Emergency on September 7 2001?

A2. Bit of a misconception: EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 01-261 was signed by Jeb Bush, Sept 7th, but it does not declare any state of emergency or indicate that Florida is under Martial Law. Important quote:

"I hereby find that the public welfare requires that the Florida National Guard train to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations. " (Found on Myflorida.com)

Considering it was the middle of Hurricane Season, Tropical Storm Barry having hit the panhandle less than a month ago, Training the National Guard to support Law-enforcement personnel in an emergency seems like a good idea to me.
---------------
Q3. Why did the President not follow the warning on the Aug 6 PDB regarding OBL and the hijack threat?

A3. It would depend on what was in the Aug 6th Warning, really. If there's a link to the actual text of the message we might be able to find out. most likely becuase:

A3a. We probably get a lot of warnings such as this. OBL isn't the only group who'se made threats against the government. Don't know enough about the frequency to determine.

A3b. Unless the warning contained What was going to be attacked, When it was going to be attacked, and how it was going to be attacked, I'm not certain what could be done. Coupled with "A3a", above, a simple "Boy who cried 'wolf'" Scenario isn't very far fetched.


So theres a Start; someone else want to flesh out the other 3?

And before you ask more questions, Sentinel, let's get your answers to the 5 you already asked so we can keep some semblance of order on this already too-long thread...

[Sentinel]

The PDb stated the threat revolved around hijacking planes and crashing them into landmarks. The reason John Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines in july 01 was because of the FBI threat assesment same reason why the pilots wanted to carry firearms.


Can anyone say "Bojinka"



You people acted like the Government is your friend. Remember the savings and loans scandal?


What about Iran/Contra and the hearings " The plan to suspend habeas Corpus and the constitution'?

Oh, thats right, theres no corruption with the governemnt at all, its just a CT scare tactic.


This is the same pattern that germany took right before hitler and his freinds came to power.


"Divide and conquer"



Sentinel

[Sentinel]

You forgot the part about the threat of terrorism.

How coincidental that the governor is the presidents brother and the order was 4 days before the most horrific terror attack in history.


I guess tyhats why the SS didn't feel the presidents safety was going to be comprimised because of Jebs high attention to public safety. Thats the reason the hurricane victims are still waiting for homes all this time.



Good show




Sentinel

[Louicifer]

Welcome,

Yes, and yet they didn't find when they looked for them in Iraq. You would think that if the Gov't was able to pull off such an elaborate scheme as 9-11, they would have been able to plant a few nukes in Iraq.

Or preventing that whole Watergate scandal.


Your English is pretty good. Quite a bit better than my French.

Merci !

[EvilBiker]

Keep it real or else !!!



Sentinel

Or else what?

Oh, and just btw, please elaborate on SIGINT for me...

[Class]

Please, It is an unending task and your head will blow up - They contradict, overlap, cancel each other out, and support everthing from Zardoz to floride in the water. I like the latest ones about chemtrails - and this quote had me rolling:

---im not a doctor but i had cold/flu-like symptoms that did not feel like the flu/cold. i think something might be going on, potentially to kill off or sedate those who might be hearing about the truth.

any thoughts on this? ---


Yipes! Then how do you know it's not just a hangnail?
Heh heh, my friend posted that as a joke at the request of me just to see what their reaction would be and if they would believe it. I took those pictures myself on Sunday when I was visiting my parents and I thought it would be funny to post them on Loose Change. I would have posted them myself, but I had already announced to the LC forum that I do not believe in this chemtrail stuff, or any other wild conspiracy theories.

[Trifikas]

The PDb stated the threat revolved around hijacking planes and crashing them into landmarks. The reason John Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines in july 01 was because of the FBI threat assesment same reason why the pilots wanted to carry firearms.


And it's a unfortunate that they were not allowed to, for the obvious reason. But since noone knew that the targets would be the WTC complex, or where the planes would be Hijacked from, or that the date was 2 and a half months away, it's unfair to say it could have been prevented based on this one warning message.

Like everything else, there's good and bad within the government. IRAN / Contra is certainly an example of "Bad". Noone here (I don't think) maintains any illusions that it's 100% right. The question is "Is the Government lying about 9/11", And based on what I've been shown (and not just by the government), There aren't any show-stopping problems in the report.

[Trifikas]

You forgot the part about the threat of terrorism.



To be specific, I didn't forget, I just didn't quote the whole thing. It doesn't prove that Jeb Bush knew about the hijacking occuring 4 days from then. It sounds like covering all the basis. And you said so yourself that there was the PDb document, warning of possible terror attacks. add the fact that there were terror attacks before, you might as well plan for every contingency.

You can't automaticly attribute a sinister motive to every action by the government. And heck, it probably wasn't even Jeb Bush's idea, some underling wrote it up with a comittee and he just signed it.

EDIT - Grammatical error

[MikeW]

The PDb stated the threat revolved around hijacking planes and crashing them into landmarks.
The August 6th one? No, it did not.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

[joseph k.]

The PDb stated the threat revolved around hijacking planes and crashing them into landmarks. The reason John Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines in july 01 was because of the FBI threat assesment same reason why the pilots wanted to carry firearms.


Can anyone say "Bojinka"
All other Bush Cabinet appointees, with the exception of Interior and Energy with remote sites to oversee, fly commercial airliners.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

BEN-VENISTE: ...At some point in the spring or summer of 2001, around the time of this heightened threat alert, you apparently began to use a private chartered jet plane, changing from your use of commercial aircraft on grounds, our staff is informed, of an FBI threat assessment. And, indeed, as you told us, on September 11th itself you were on a chartered jet at the time of the attack.

Can you supply the details, sir, regarding the threat which caused you to change from commercial to private leased jet?

ASHCROFT: ...Let me indicate to you that I never ceased to use commercial aircraft for my personal travel.

ASHCROFT: My wife traveled to Germany and back in August. My wife and I traveled to Washington, D.C., on the 3rd of September before the 17th -- before the 11th attack on commercial aircraft.

I have exclusively traveled on commercial aircraft for my personal travel; continued through the year 2000, through the entirety of the threat period to the nation.

The assessment made by the security team and the Department of Justice was made early in the year. It was not related to a terrorism threat as a threat to the nation. It was related to an assessment of the security for the attorney general, given his responsibilities and the job that he undertakes. And it related to the maintenance of arms and other things by individuals who travel with the attorney general. And it was their assessment that we would be best served to use government aircraft.

These were not private chartered jet aircraft. These were aircraft of the United States government. And it was on such an aircraft that I was on my way to an event in Milwaukee on the morning of September the 11th.
http://www.nj.com/war/ledger/index.ssf?/news/ledger/stories/20040414_ashcroft.html

"Mr. Moore's fact-checking team found evidence that Mr. Ashcroft had flown commercially at least twice that summer."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/movies/20SHEN.html?pagewanted=all&ei=5007&en=906cd89473ac07fc&ex=1403064000

Thanks again for 911myths.com!

[Belz...]

On the flip side, they might end up with exposure to hammegk. Consider:

On the counter-flip side THAT could cause the imposion of the universe.




...in a controlled fashion.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

On the counter-flip side THAT could cause the imposion of the universe.




...in a controlled fashion.

At least the vacuum created would suck in matter at faster than freefall.

[CptColumbo]

Merci !
De Rien.

[Trifikas]

Oddly, I've been seeing reports that Iraq's WMD's were moved to Syria. The most famous of course being the Daily Show interview with Fmr Saddam General Georges Sada.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601210/posts

Tough to prove, unfortunatly, but the source is someone who should know.

[RandFan]

Heh heh, my friend posted that as a joke at the request of me just to see what their reaction would be and if they would believe it. I took those pictures myself on Sunday when I was visiting my parents and I thought it would be funny to post them on Loose Change. I would have posted them myself, but I had already announced to the LC forum that I do not believe in this chemtrail stuff, or any other wild conspiracy theories.Welcome Class, and welcome to any newcomer that I have not acknowledged.

And Class, what the hell do you mean that you don't believe in this "chemtrail" stuff"? Are you a government shill? ;)

[RandFan]

Sentinel,

Your accusations are unfair and inaccurate for most here. Many have been critical of Bush and the government. Most have soberly and sincerely looked at the evidence. We don't have to prove our skepticism to you. If you have a claim then make it. We will consider your argument and any supporting evidence, if you have a compelling argument we will reconsider our position.

Do you have an argument or evidence? Or do you just have these wink, wink, nudge, nudge questions?

[Sentinel]

And BOJINKA was a myth too.

Why is guantonimo holding people without trial,yet, the spokesman for the Taliban is attending Yale?

Why isn't he labeled E/C ?
I guess hes' just a myth too.

Why is it the military recruiters aren't allowed there but the taliban is ?


Tally ho


Sentinel

[RandFan]

And BOJINKA was a myth too.

Why is guantonimo holding people without trial,yet, the spokesman for the Taliban is attending Yale?

Why isn't he labeled E/C ?
I guess hes' just a myth too.

Why is it the military recruiters aren't allowed there but the taliban is ?


Tally ho


SentinelTally ho,

Now mount your trusted steed and ride to protect the honor of your fair Dulcinea (AKA world view).

[Apollyon]

Sentinal,

I have some questions for you:

Why, when someone provides an answer to your questions, do you just ignore them?

What is the point of asking your questions if you just walk away and don't bother to respond?

Are you just trolling?

Are you going to admit that many of your questions are pure balderdash?

Is there any reason I should not put you on ignore?

[Sentinel]

The people or Government ?


How many more service personnell must we loose before people ask why?


Just to show theres something wrong,


Lets look at female breast cancer for starters...

Why, does anyone look at the ingredients ? Did anyone see Alluminum?

What about type 2 Diabetes ? Aspertate

guess who sponsers the Diabete 2 run? Nutrasweet.


Think theres nothing wrong ?





Sentinel

[Belz...]

Thats what forensic investigation is about. If you don't ask questions then you'll end up like the dweeds at LC who will believe anything they're told.

If all you do is ask questions, Sentinel, you'll never find any answers.

Whats funny about it is no one seems able to answer the legit questions it all just comes down to silly answers.

Why don't YOU provide YOUR answers, and so people can see if there's any truth to them.

If you love your country as much as you claim you'd pay attention to whats happening.

Oh, I love my country. But I happen to be Canadian, so your attempt to lull me emotionaly will fail.

[Sentinel]

Figures





Sentinel

[CptColumbo]

The people or Government ?


How many more service personnell must we loose before people ask why?


Just to show theres something wrong,


Lets look at female breast cancer for starters...

Why, does anyone look at the ingredients ? Did anyone see Alluminum?

What about type 2 Diabetes ? Aspertate

guess who sponsers the Diabete 2 run? Nutrasweet.


Think theres nothing wrong ?





Sentinel

WTF are you talking about!

What has this got to do with anything on this thread?

Where is this going?

What is your point?

Do you have a point?

Is this the most abrubt "change of the subject" to ever occur on this forum?

[Belz...]

Even though questions aren't evidence, here's a good one : Would it have been easier for the goverment to publish fake satellite pictures showing WMD to go to war instead of all this micmac CD-fake plane-cover-up thing ?

Salut Louicifer, et bienvenue.

[Sentinel]

I guess thats why your country got flipped so easily.


Now our awol guys will be truned over much quicker,



Thanks canada




Sentinel

[CptColumbo]

I guess thats why your country got flipped so easily.


Now our awol guys will be truned over much quicker,



Thanks canada




Sentinel
Flipped?

[Sentinel]

Its called the big picture Captain.


Thats the problem with people now, they're just stuck on one sub-ject but can't seem to make the connection to the other dots out.




Have a nice day



sentinel

[CptColumbo]

SSHHH

The guy in the cubicle next to me is looking at Alex Jones' blog, and ordering Prisonplanet.com T-shirts. I'm going to start a conversation and see where it takes us.

[CptColumbo]

Its called the big picture Captain.


Thats the problem with people now, they're just stuck on one sub-ject but can't seem to make the connection to the other dots out.




Have a nice day



sentinel
We are only on one subject on this thread, because that's what a thread is for. To focus the discussion. You can start your own thread on breast cancer and/or diabetes, or go to one of the other threads that are a subject you wish to discuss.

[Belz...]

yes, and again thats the reason I'm trying to find out what happened to my friends who were lost. Unlike the jerkoffs who spend their day downing peoples questions and the volchures circling to make a buck off them, I've put my own money time sweat blood and tears into this.

Volchures, eh ?

Why was florida the only state scared of terrorism and why did the president leave the country unguarded?

Why did Mayor Guliani steal public records to place them in private storage?

Why did the president IN FLORIDA stay talking with children? Why didn't the secret Service place him protective custody?

Why are people with family history in collaboration with the NAZIs in power?

Why did my hard drive crash ?

Why is my alread-operated ingrown nail acting up ?

Why am I having personal conflicts with people at work ?

Why is the world so complicated ?

Waaahh!! WWWAAAAHHH!!!


You people acted like the Government is your friend.

The government isn't my friend. Why do you assume that, because I agree with someone, that someone is my friend.

Oh, thats right, theres no corruption with the governemnt at all, its just a CT scare tactic.

Strawman.

This is the same pattern that germany took right before hitler and his freinds came to power.

HAH! Nazi analogy after only 82 posts!!

[Belz...]

I guess thats why your country got flipped so easily.

"Flipped" ?

What's why our country got flipped ? What are you babbling about ?

[CptColumbo]

The only thing that is keeping me from using my ignore for the first time is that I would have no idea what everyone else is talking about.

[juryjone]

I really would like to b***h-slap the next person who mentions molten steel in the basement. Or at least give them an up-close and personal look at real molten steel.

[Brainster]

Here's a video of Looser Chuck Sheen (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5995041467370074988) and Crazy Lily in action, sabotaging computers at an electronics store by hijacking the browsers so they direct people to a 9-11 movie that he installs on the computer with a jump drive. You can get a good view of Chuck himself at about 8:15 of the film; he looks a little like Bill Buckner.

[Apollyon]

The only thing that is keeping me from using my ignore for the first time is that I would have no idea what everyone else is talking about.
Maybe the best kind of ignore is simply to not respond to Sentinel at all since he feels it's perfectly OK not to respond to or acknowledge answers that people have provided to his "questions." He is obviously not here to have any sort of discussion but only to one-sidedly vent his very confused, uninformed, and paranoid worldview, facts and topics be damned.

In my book, Sentinel is a troll, and an extremely untalented one at that.

[Class]

Here's a video of *google video link* Looser Chuck Sheen[/URL] and Crazy Lily in action, sabotaging computers at an electronics store by hijacking the browsers so they direct people to a 9-11 movie that he installs on the computer with a jump drive. You can get a good view of Chuck himself at about 8:15 of the film; he looks a little like Bill Buckner.
Actually that is dataRS.

[RandFan]

Lets look at female breast cancer for starters...

Why, does anyone look at the ingredients ? Did anyone see Alluminum?

What about type 2 Diabetes ? Aspertate

guess who sponsers the Diabete 2 run? Nutrasweet.

Think theres nothing wrong ?1.) Do you have any objective evidence that Nutrasweet is dangerous or that it in anyway contributes to Diabetes?

2.) What the hell does this have to do with the thread?

[Pardalis]

I don't get how you guys can keep up in a conversation with Sentinel.

BREAST CANCER?

[Pardalis]

Hi everyone ! First post here and jumping straight in the fire. Well, I've been lurking long enough and read both LC treads.

Even though questions aren't evidence, here's a good one : Would it have been easier for the goverment to publish fake satellite pictures showing WMD to go to war instead of all this micmac CD-fake plane-cover-up thing ?P.S.:

Yes, english is my second language and I won't mind a little help ;)

Hey! Welcome Louicifer.

Content de voir qu'il y a plusieurs Québécois qui ne sont pas dupe!

(nice to see more Quebecers aren't so gullible)

[Brainster]

Actually that is dataRS.

Just going by this post (http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/gypsy-chuck-take-to-streets.html) at 9-11 blogger, which says "Gypsy & Chuck Take to the Streets". I suppose it's possible the person was referring to their new Yahoo Group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/getthewordout911/). But if you go to the group, you see it's started by Chuck Sheen, whose Yahoo handle is datars1. So I've got a pretty good inkling DataRS is Chuck Sheen.

[RandFan]

I don't get how you guys can keep up in a conversation with Sentinel.

BREAST CANCER? Awww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course. Hey! It's all ball bearings nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. And I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State. --Fletch

[60hzxtl]

Here's a video of Looser Chuck Sheen (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5995041467370074988) and Crazy Lily in action, sabotaging computers at an electronics store by hijacking the browsers so they direct people to a 9-11 movie that he installs on the computer with a jump drive. You can get a good view of Chuck himself at about 8:15 of the film; he looks a little like Bill Buckner.


38 Minutes! oHHHHHH! Noooo!

"Just pretend that you are putting it in. . . "

Ahh - cinema edite!

Infinate number of monkeys, infinate number of dv cams, one of 'em is gonna hit King Lear.

[The_Fire]

....After an infinite mass of stupidity are meet over an infiinite amount of years......

BTW: Isn't messing with other peoples property like that...I don't know....Kind of illegal?

*Taking a break from a mad dash at saving her project....Boys, do your backups....*

[Orb]

Sentinel

What's the difference between an orange?

Telephone poles, because motorcycles don't have doors

[Pak43]

Well I got a reply from Michael Meachers secretary...

Hi,

After consideration, Michael Meacher did not arrange for this film to be shown in Parliament.

Regards

Monica

Monica Masson
Parliamentary Assistant to Rt Hon Michael Meacher MP
House of Commons
London SW1A 0AA
020 7219 4532

Looks like this one is a dead duck...

[CptColumbo]

Bolumbo?

[Brainster]

38 Minutes! oHHHHHH! Noooo!

"Just pretend that you are putting it in. . . "

Ahh - cinema edite!

Infinate number of monkeys, infinate number of dv cams, one of 'em is gonna hit King Lear.

If you think that's bad, you should see the one of them hawking DVDs at a flea market (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1127350708358735646) or the thrilling instalment that consists of Chuck labeling CDs (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4496099817614175808) at a diner. Unfortunately, that one's only about 9 minutes long, because the drama and pathos was quite moving. How sharper than a serpent's tooth is Chuck's Sharpie!

[60hzxtl]

....After an infinite mass of stupidity are meet over an infiinite amount of years......

BTW: Isn't messing with other peoples property like that...I don't know....Kind of illegal?

*Taking a break from a mad dash at saving her project....Boys, do your backups....*


Re: your BTW. YES!

And providing evidence of you breaking the law by way of video? See "stupidity" above. Putting it on the web? Infinitely Stupid!

Using your zoom like a trombone slide? Filum skool 101!

[Hutch]

I don't get how you guys can keep up in a conversation with Sentinel.

BREAST CANCER?

LEMON CURRY?

Seriously, I don't think any of us are having a conversation with Sentinel; Some of his questions are interesting enough to certain posters that we reply and discuss them ourselves, then by-and-by Sentinel comes along and make a post that either (1) disparages our efforts, (2) Posts totally unrelated and mysterious questions or (3) Both of the above.

But good sports that we are, and in the hopes of maybe learning something from each other, we doggedly perservere. Because I have given up that we will learn anything from Sentinel; heck, at least the LC'ers post videos and other junk to back up their hypothesis--haven't seen anything from the Ol' watchdog here.

IMHO as always.

[delphi_ote]

Did anyone see Alluminum?
No. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186812/)

[Gravy]

If you think that's bad, you should see the one of them hawking DVDs at a flea market (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1127350708358735646) or the thrilling instalment that consists of Chuck labeling CDs (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4496099817614175808) at a diner. Unfortunately, that one's only about 9 minutes long, because the drama and pathos was quite moving. How sharper than a serpent's tooth is Chuck's Sharpie!

I thought the "9 minutes of labeling DVDs" comment was an exaggeration. I stand corrected. Here's part of the description that DataRS posted:

Here's what I do every day labeling DVDs at McDonald's after I eat my breakfast. I may do about 50 to 100 a day depending on what spare time I have. I'm trying to work out a plan to do this 24/7, to devote all my time in the "Get the Word out 911" but I'll need some support in order to do this...
I'll give 50 bucks to anyone who can identify that McDonald's. I want to tell them that there's a guy running a child porn distribution network out of their family establishment.

[Class]

With all these people buying blank CDs and DVDs, it wouldn't surprise me if those companies were behind 9/11.

[NobbyNobbs]

I see the skeptic board seems to deal in conjecture and no investigation on the legit questions Posted.



You want investigation of questions? Investigate these:

1) How old are you?

2) Is English your first language?

3) What do you do for a living?

I will refrain from conjecture, because I fear I will probably break some forum rules if I continue typing.

[NobbyNobbs]

The people or Government ?


How many more service personnell must we loose before people ask why?


Just to show theres something wrong,


Lets look at female breast cancer for starters...

Why, does anyone look at the ingredients ? Did anyone see Alluminum?

What about type 2 Diabetes ? Aspertate

guess who sponsers the Diabete 2 run? Nutrasweet.


Think theres nothing wrong ?


Sentinel

Sentinel:

I want you to try something. Imagine you are in a discussion about 9/11. Imagine the discussion has to do with whether it was a government plot or a terrorist attack. Imagine that people on both sides of the issue have brought up interesting points relating to that. Got all that in your head?

Good. Now have a friend read the above post out loud to you.

Now you have an idea what the rest of us are going through trying to decipher your posts.

If, on the other hand, it doesn't frustrate or bother you in the least, try this as an alternative: Find a brick wall. Bang your head against it. Continue until the gray stuff stops leaking.

It's the same feeling.

[delphi_ote]

Imagine that people on both sides of the issue have brought up interesting points relating to that.
You're really going to have to use your imagination on this part...

[Brainster]

I thought the "9 minutes of labeling DVDs" comment was an exaggeration. I stand corrected.

I'll give 50 bucks to anyone who can identify that McDonald's. I want to tell them that there's a guy running a child porn distribution network out of their family establishment.

Somewhere in Oakland, CA (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm?POE=TECISVA). That's where Gypsy (not Lily, my mistake earlier) lives and my guess is that she and Chuck are either living together, or are at least in fairly close proximity to each other so they can collaborate on these "Operations". Gypsy's the same nut who disrupted Bay Area speeches by the members of the 9-11 Commission with her whistle (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8888742751442686831&pl=true), and also introduced the Loose Change Screening (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-810472779099754665&pl=true) in Oakland in May.

There is some amusement at the very end of the flea market video, where they interview a mid-20s black man about his experience with Loose Change. He explains he saw it in a class called "Positive Mind Group" which explains how to overcome your emotions. That is to say, Anger Management.

Now, can you imagine deciding that Loose Change was a good film to show a class on Anger Management?:eye-poppi

[Pardalis]

Imagine you are in a discussion about 9/11. Imagine the discussion has to do with whether it was a government plot or a terrorist attack. Imagine that people on both sides of the issue have brought up interesting points relating to that. Got all that in your head?

Now Nobby, you're completely out of topic!

[Louicifer]

Pardalis : Merci beaucoup ! (Thank you very much !).

Sentinel : Well, that is just great ! Let's blame Canada for everything. After all, how can WE know, little coureurs des bois we are about the great troubles of the world ? I am sorry if I sound aggressive but I'm just tired of people attacking my country without any knowledge of it's history and/our culture.

But hey, I guess that is the kind of thing you can permit yourself when you don't have anything to backup your claims.

[RandFan]

I am sorry if I sound aggressive but I'm just tired of people attacking my country without any knowledge of it's history and/our culture. Wow, Canada has culture? They must have gotten that shortly after the electricity. What was that, 1980? Cool, well my hat's off to you guys.





































;)

[NobbyNobbs]

This is a bit off-topic, but it's such a momentous occasion, I just had to mention it. It seems that one of the moon-hoaxers may be changing his mind. Check out what DarqueMatters has to say....


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4560&st=390&#entry5357976

[Regnad Kcin]

I predict it'll never be done, since Zakur isn't a moderator.

Do I win the million?Yikes! I actually messaged Darat about the issue of starting a Pt. 3 to this topic. Where I came up with Zakur I don't know.

[Palimpsest]

Here's a video of Looser Chuck Sheen (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5995041467370074988) and Crazy Lily in action, sabotaging computers at an electronics store by hijacking the browsers so they direct people to a 9-11 movie that he installs on the computer with a jump drive. You can get a good view of Chuck himself at about 8:15 of the film; he looks a little like Bill Buckner.

Wow, what monumental losers. "Operation Bringing Down a Dictator"? Pardon me while I click on the eye-roll smiley :rolleyes:

Although I did get a giggle out of the movie's description.

It's time ladies and gentlemen to get out in pubic, and start telling everyone about what really happen on 911.

Hee hee. Yes, I'm twelve, why do you ask?

[orphia nay]

Hehehe.


I notice DJLegacy has been stripped of his power.

Anyone know why yet? (I'm banned from this pc.)

It's pretty clear that the LC forumites view the entire JREF forum as being the General Skepticism and The Paranormal subforum. They either do not look at, or even recognize: Science and Mathematics; Religion and Philosophy; Politics; Education and Literature; Computers and the Internet; or any of the casual/entertainment subforums.

I notice chucksheen made an appearance in the Humour forum the other day (boosting his post count to 6), although he was not up to his usual standard. ;)

[Johnny Pixels]

I've just found these links that may be of use to some people. They're to do with heat straightening (a process I've only just found out about). The basic idea is, you've got a damaged piece of steel like a bridge or a support column, you heat it up, and you straighten it. So by my logic, you heat piece of steel up in the WTC, have a couple of thousand tons of concrete weighing down on it, and it unstraightens. Maximum recommended temperature for this process? 650o C

A company that does it http://www.steelstraightening.com/

A manual for the process .pdf manual (http://isddc.dot.gov/OLPFiles/FHWA/009569.pdf)

The recommended temps are on page 27 of the manual (page 49 of the .pdf)

[Gravy]

I've just found these links that may be of use to some people. They're to do with heat straightening (a process I've only just found out about). The basic idea is, you've got a damaged piece of steel like a bridge or a support column, you heat it up, and you straighten it. So by my logic, you heat piece of steel up in the WTC, have a couple of thousand tons of concrete weighing down on it, and it unstraightens. Maximum recommended temperature for this process? 650o C

A company that does it http://www.steelstraightening.com/

A manual for the process .pdf manual (http://isddc.dot.gov/OLPFiles/FHWA/009569.pdf)

The recommended temps are on page 27 of the manual (page 49 of the .pdf)
Very interesting. Now if we can figure out how to apply that process to iron out the kinks in the Loosers' brains....

I am curious to see how long it will take for a Looser to claim that this process could have been used to straighten the WTC, if only Giuliani hadn't ordered the steel removed to China. Remember the guy who said the towers should have been reconstructed from the ruined steel?

For about a week I've been promising to have some interesting reading for you all, but just haven't had the time to finish it. I'm off work today and will definitely have it done. It's worth the wait.

edited because nothing sounds too absurd anymore.

[Louicifer]

Veerryyyy funny RandFan :D

[Hawk one]

Wow, Canada has culture? They must have gotten that shortly after the electricity. What was that, 1980? Cool, well my hat's off to you guys.

;)

This from the guy living in the only country in the world that became decadent without getting civilised first. :p

[milesalpha]

Wow, Canada has culture? They must have gotten that shortly after the electricity. What was that, 1980? Cool, well my hat's off to you guys.

;)

Cough, perhaps I should point out how lost the US would be without us. For example, your comedy would be rather limited without Canadians. No Saturday Night Live and its various spinoffs. No Naked Gun movies. No Phil Hartman (rip), Martin Short, or Mike Myers (we'll let you keep Jim Carrey).
Then there's some of your cultural icons, say Star Trek, take Canada out and you lose Captain Kirk and Scotty. Hollywood becomes a new beast entirely since Canadians composed a large part of the original studio system. Basketball....goodbye, it would never exist (hmmm maybe that's a crime on our part, hate that game).

I mean really, without the British to steal the ideas from (everything from All in the Family to The Office), and Canadians to write original material, the US would be watching endless reruns of Laverne and Shirley.:eek:

[Hutch]

This is a bit off-topic, but it's such a momentous occasion, I just had to mention it. It seems that one of the moon-hoaxers may be changing his mind. Check out what DarqueMatters has to say....


http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4560&st=390&#entry5357976

Hmmm, I hope so Nobby, but my guess is, like a couple of others I have seen over there, he'll find it easier to 'believe' than accept the research and evidence that requires some math and science and logic. Still, we shall see.

Just a note, I'm going to pat myself on the back a bit, I noticed that thread first and posted, but immediately went to the Bad Astronomy-Universe Today (BAUT) Forum and requested assistance. Obviousman, frenat, and now a couple more BAUT'ers have more than ably replaced me and seem to have carried the day. Just an example of cross-Forum assistance.

but now Obviousman has moved into the 9-11 forums, so I wonder how long his life-span will be...

[kookbreaker]

but now Obviousman has moved into the 9-11 forums, so I wonder how long his life-span will be...

Link? Its hard and painful to try and search and I'd like to see how the BAUT fellas do.

[Apollyon]

Cough, perhaps I should point out how lost the US would be without us. For example, your comedy would be rather limited without Canadians. No Saturday Night Live and its various spinoffs. No Naked Gun movies. No Phil Hartman (rip), Martin Short, or Mike Myers (we'll let you keep Jim Carrey).
Then there's some of your cultural icons, say Star Trek, take Canada out and you lose Captain Kirk and Scotty. Hollywood becomes a new beast entirely since Canadians composed a large part of the original studio system. Basketball....goodbye, it would never exist (hmmm maybe that's a crime on our part, hate that game).

I mean really, without the British to steal the ideas from (everything from All in the Family to The Office), and Canadians to write original material, the US would be watching endless reruns of Laverne and Shirley.:eek:
It's a trade-off. In addition to the things you've named, Canada inflicts Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, and Nickelback on the US; Britian gives us TV shows like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and Big Brother; and both the Canadians and Brits export all their bad drivers to Florida.

[Gravy]

Pknackered (http://www.alternet.org/story/37590/)

It looks like the Project for the New American Century, the neocon group that promoted the invasion of Iraq, is closing down.

Woo hoo!
(Oh, wait. Some of them just moved upstairs to AEI. That's one evil building.)

[brodski]

It's a trade-off. In addition to the things you've named, Canada inflicts Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, and Nickelback on the US; Britian gives us TV shows like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and Big Brother; and both the Canadians and Brits export all their bad drivers to Florida.
Big Brother is a Dutch format- don't blame us. And whilst were on the subject of cultural exchanges, you gave us such acts Elvis, Bob Dylan and Nirvana, and we took them to our hearts. We gave you John Lennon, and you shot him. :p

[Hellbound]

Big Brother is a Dutch format- don't blame us. And whilst were on the subject of cultural exchanges, you gave us such acts Elvis, Bob Dylan and Nirvana, and we took them to our hearts. We gave you John Lennon, and you shot him. :p

Look, we're really sorry about that. We meant to get Yoko, but apparantly our hit man was insane.

[Hutch]

Link? Its hard and painful to try and search and I'd like to see how the BAUT fellas do.

Kook, I looked but couldn't find it--I do remember seeing him post outside the Moon thread--you might PM him over at the BAUT.

[Belz...]

It's a trade-off. In addition to the things you've named, Canada inflicts Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, and Nickelback on the US; Britian gives us TV shows like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and Big Brother; and both the Canadians and Brits export all their bad drivers to Florida.

Touché. We're useless!! :(

[kookbreaker]

Meh, I'm not that interested and am feeling lazy.

Speaking of which, where is that fiurebreathing Looser that was supposed to show up here? The one that said they'd never back down?

[dubfan]

I am curious to see how long it will take for a Looser to claim that this process could have been used to straighten the WTC, if only Giuliani hadn't ordered the steel removed to China. Remember the guy who said the towers should have been reconstructed from the ruined steel?


I believe that was the famous "MIT scientist"* Jeff King.

*MIT scientist meaning, he graduated from MIT in 1974 with an unspecified degree and has been a practicing family physician for the last 25 years (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/html/view.cgi-about.html-.html)

[dubfan]

Meh, I'm not that interested and am feeling lazy.

Just happened to stumble into it:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6135&st=30&#entry5334784

Speaking of which, where is that fiurebreathing Looser that was supposed to show up here? The one that said they'd never back down?

Ah, the fair Jessica. Last I saw, she was busy trying to decide whether or not a couple of planes hit the WTC. She must've found Phil Jayhan's CGI theory and Holmgren's 5th grade anti-physics pretty compelling.

[Apollyon]

Look, we're really sorry about that. We meant to get Yoko, but apparantly our hit man was insane.
It was an honest mistake. When John shaved his beard it was difficult to tell the two apart.

[kookbreaker]

Ah, the fair Jessica. Last I saw, she was busy trying to decide whether or not a couple of planes hit the WTC. She must've found Phil Jayhan's CGI theory and Holmgren's 5th grade anti-physics pretty compelling.

Sounds like the Looser equivelant of shiny objects.

[AWPrime]

A quote from LC forum:

Some nasty JREF Ninja Wave skeptics showed up and began asking questions and posting evidence contradictory to the prevaling wisdom.

They sound like fundies to me.

[dubfan]

I love it when the CTs get all discriminating.

"Hey, you no-planers are fools. Ha! Who would believe something as stupid as that? Now, controlled demolition on the other hand -- that's something I can really get behind."

[dubfan]

It's like eating peanuts. I just can't stop myself.

Where did all the dirt go? (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6430)

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9933/92sim5dn.jpg

[60hzxtl]

It's like eating peanuts. I just can't stop myself.

Where did all the dirt go? (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6430)

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9933/92sim5dn.jpg


Silly Dubfan,

They dug a hole and buried the dirt.

[Brainster]

It's like eating peanuts. I just can't stop myself.

Where did all the dirt go? (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6430)

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9933/92sim5dn.jpg

It's a hologram, man! Look at the way it's melting into the ground! Also, notice that the emergency trucks are already there, as is the hole. And that one guy looks like George Bush, Sr!

[MarkyX]

Wow, wonder what calculations they had to put that crappy photoshop up.

[Pardalis]

It's a hologram, man! Look at the way it's melting into the ground! Also, notice that the emergency trucks are already there, as is the hole. And that one guy looks like George Bush, Sr!

They even painted a red arrow on the ground to help the pilot hit the spot!

[chipmunk stew]

All these peanuts are going to make me fat.

Finding out about this stuff rocked MY world too! The more you research, the more interesting things are uncovered. The picture you come to see when you choose this path is NOT pleasant or pretty, only REAL. It is very tempting to ignore it all, and go on day to day like nothing is up. Once you have opened the "doors of perception" it is hard to slam them shut again. Personally I could NEVER go back! That's why I chose the name RedPillNeo, after that scene in The Matrix, where Neo is given a choice of a blue pill to forget everything, or a red pill to "...see how deep the rabbit hole goes." It is an Alice in Wonderland metaphor.
Keep this in mind when you see skeptics insisting we are loonies, and arguing only ridiculous theories. Their passion is really driven by NOT having to see the truth for themselves. (Let the JREF guys stew on that a bit. http://www.78y.net/nph-internet.cgi/000110A/http/67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/hmm.gif ) Remember this when a debate opponent gets really in your face! They are simply not ready to open their minds to such cognitive dissonance. Frankly I cannot blame them sometimes; this is not a happy happy joy joy topic, after all.
Hang in there and don't allow yourself to believe you are crazy. You can expect a wide range of emotions surrounding this knowlege; not unlike the "stages of dying" like shock, denial, grief, bargaining, and finally, acceptance. Your worldview has been killed; it takes time to work through, seriously. Peace out. http://www.78y.net/nph-internet.cgi/000110A/http/67.15.129.139/6014/152/emo/cheers.gif

Regards,
-NeoOh, Lord! It just doesn't get much better than that!

edit: link--http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6412&view=findpost&p=5352517

[dubfan]

All these peanuts are going to make me fat.

Oh, Lord! It just doesn't get much better than that!

Never in a million years would I have thought "RedPillNeo" had anything to do with the Matrix.

Huh. Learn something new every day.

ETA: I actually kind of liked RedPill. He was one of the few mods over there who seemed to be sensible and reasonably fair.

[Pardalis]

wow

[Apollyon]

Is the red pill Barney, Wilma, or Dino? I forget.

[azazal]

All these peanuts are going to make me fat.

Oh, Lord! It just doesn't get much better than that!

edit: link--http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6412&view=findpost&p=5352517

Wow!!! I know CT-Fu!!

So JREFers are closed-minded? Guess asking for real evidence and proof is a sign of being evil. I wonder how many CTers would have fit in during medieval times - "Do not think for yourself, your lord and the church will do so for you"

[Regnad Kcin]

Is the red pill Barney, Wilma, or Dino? I forget.Now that's comedy!

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

It's like eating peanuts. I just can't stop myself.

Where did all the dirt go? (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6430)

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/9933/92sim5dn.jpg

ffs, can they do anything without distorting the facts? Per Boeing's website, the external width of the fuselage is 12 ft 4 in http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/pf/pf_200tech.html The closer of the two trucks appears to be a Chevy/GMC Silverado/Sierra 1500, assuming 2001 model; then we have an overall length of 5225 mm (206 in) to
6325 mm (249 in) (17'2"-20'9") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Silverado

I've done some cursory analysis via Paint. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/4b3a5818.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/4b3a5818.jpg

Red line is the truck's overall length, blue line is fuselage width, and the yellow line is the difference of the two. Assuming the truck is the shortest model, it is 206", subtracting the fuselage width gives is 206 - 148 = 58". The yellow line fits into the red line ~7.5x. 7.5 * 58 = 435". This suggests that they have the plane magnified ~2x larger than it should be.

Those wiser than I, please check my work.

[kookbreaker]

Never in a million years would I have thought "RedPillNeo" had anything to do with the Matrix.


And the 'Rabbit hole' was a Alice in Wonderland reference!? Who knoo! I thought Morpheus was talking about his gardening problems back at Zion!

[Belz...]

Finding out about this stuff rocked MY world too! The more you research, the more interesting things are uncovered. The picture you come to see when you choose this path is NOT pleasant or pretty, only REAL. It is very tempting to ignore it all, and go on day to day like nothing is up. Once you have opened the "doors of perception" it is hard to slam them shut again. Personally I could NEVER go back! That's why I chose the name RedPillNeo, after that scene in The Matrix, where Neo is given a choice of a blue pill to forget everything, or a red pill to "...see how deep the rabbit hole goes." It is an Alice in Wonderland metaphor.
Keep this in mind when you see skeptics insisting we are loonies, and arguing only ridiculous theories. Their passion is really driven by NOT having to see the truth for themselves. (Let the JREF guys stew on that a bit. ) Remember this when a debate opponent gets really in your face! They are simply not ready to open their minds to such cognitive dissonance. Frankly I cannot blame them sometimes; this is not a happy happy joy joy topic, after all.
Hang in there and don't allow yourself to believe you are crazy. You can expect a wide range of emotions surrounding this knowlege; not unlike the "stages of dying" like shock, denial, grief, bargaining, and finally, acceptance. Your worldview has been killed; it takes time to work through, seriously. Peace out.

Regards,
-Neo

Isn't that stages of grieving or something ?

[Kiwiwriter]

Cough, perhaps I should point out how lost the US would be without us. For example, your comedy would be rather limited without Canadians. No Saturday Night Live and its various spinoffs. No Naked Gun movies. No Phil Hartman (rip), Martin Short, or Mike Myers (we'll let you keep Jim Carrey).
Then there's some of your cultural icons, say Star Trek, take Canada out and you lose Captain Kirk and Scotty. Hollywood becomes a new beast entirely since Canadians composed a large part of the original studio system. Basketball....goodbye, it would never exist (hmmm maybe that's a crime on our part, hate that game).

I mean really, without the British to steal the ideas from (everything from All in the Family to The Office), and Canadians to write original material, the US would be watching endless reruns of Laverne and Shirley.:eek:

I have collected Canadian postage stamps for the past 33 years, so I know enough about Canadian culture to be dangerous. There's plenty, like humorist Stephen Leacock, writers Lucy Maud Montgomery, Mordecai Richler, Barry Broadfoot, and Pierre Berton, to name a few. The latter, a top historian, had an impact on my writing style for my web page. His two books on the War of 1812 told the war in the present tense, and I found that style gave this long-distant conflict great immediacy.

We are all familiar with singers Glen Campbell, Celine Dion, and Anne Murray, which I believe are Canada's revenge against the United States for inflicting Jim Nabors on Canada. On the other hand, nobody seems to complain about Guy Lombardo.

Two weeks ago, Canada issued the last three stamps of a four-stamp set of Canadians who made it big in Hollywood. They were Fay Wray, Mary Pickford, Lorne Greene, and John Candy. I guess the Ponderosa was in British Columbia.

I will give some more Canadian culture when I get home and flip through my stamp album...they did a superb set for the Millennium on Canadian history and culture, which included stamps honoring guys like Sir William Stephenson, and Ottmar Mergenthaler, who invented linotype. Kerosene is also a Canadian invention.

However, when I go through my Canadian stamps, I invariably find myself coming back to the issues that commemorate Canada's armed forces, who fought alongside the Americans and the British in two World Wars, Korea, and Afghanistan.

Most Canadians remember Dieppe, for a certainty. Because of my work on history and my web page, I know about Ortona, the Scheldt, Juno Beach, and Hong Kong, where thousands of Canadian soldiers lie buried at Sai Wan War Cemetery overlooking the point where the Japanese stormed Hong Kong Island in December 1941. That was the first time Canadian troops fought a ground battle in World War II, and the Winnipeg Grenadiers and Royal Rifles of Canada (from Montreal) were defeated after an 18-day battle.

Most of the Canadians were fresh out of training, and had only been in Hong Kong for three weeks. Their war and lives ended under rows of tombstones that read, "Unknown Canadian Soldier of the 1939-45 War," in many cases before their 21st birthday.

When I stood there back in 1994, staring at the rows of tombstones, I remember I broke down in tears, thinking about the appalling loss of lives. And I thought that the sorrow each family felt was a universal emotion, not restricted by nation or ethnicity.

I know it's fun to joke about nations and cultures and lack thereof, and I know that Americans and Canadians ridicule each other a lot...mostly because they can. These are two neighboring nations that have enjoyed harmonious relations for nearly two centuries, the longest unfortified border in the world, share many common values on both sides of the political spectrum, and can agree to disagree without rancor or bitterness.

They wrangle at conference tables over environmental and trade issues, not about nuclear disarmament. At stake in these negotiations are profit pictures and acid rain, which they try to resolve through reason and intelligence, rather than intercontinental ballistic bombast.

Americans should consider themselves they have Canada as a neighbor, instead of some other nations in the world. How would Americans like it if Iraq was our neighbor, for example? Or Pol Pot's Cambodia?

Meanwhile, I'm going back to my book on the Canadian attack on the Gothic Line in September 1944, in Italy. That was truly a forgotten campaign, which is undeserved.

[pgwenthold]

ffs, can they do anything without distorting the facts? Per Boeing's website, the external width of the fuselage is 12 ft 4 in http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/pf/pf_200tech.html The closer of the two trucks appears to be a Chevy/GMC Silverado/Sierra 1500, assuming 2001 model; then we have an overall length of 5225 mm (206 in) to
6325 mm (249 in) (17'2"-20'9") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Silverado

I've done some cursory analysis via Paint. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/4b3a5818.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/4b3a5818.jpg

Red line is the truck's overall length, blue line is fuselage width, and the yellow line is the difference of the two. Assuming the truck is the shortest model, it is 206", subtracting the fuselage width gives is 206 - 148 = 58". The yellow line fits into the red line ~7.5x. 7.5 * 58 = 435". This suggests that they have the plane magnified ~2x larger than it should be.

Those wiser than I, please check my work.

It's not twice as large, I don't think. It's about 20% larger than it should be.

1) Assuming the guy walking near the pickup is about 6' tall, then the estimate of 206 inches is reasonably close for the length of the truck.

2) I get the width of the fuselage to be about 85% of that of the truck. That would mean the fuselage is something like 175 inches wide. Given that it should be 148", that makes it 18% too wide.

Also, the plane is twisted slightly. Not that I'm sure it matters, but the distance to the left engine is slightly smaller than that to the right.

If you shrink the plane to the size it should be, the outer edges of the engines would be just inside the middle of where the engines are now.