Loose Change - Part II

[dubfan]

Need a quick help.

Can someone link me to a quote Dylan saying (including date and source) along the lines of distributing on any public place as much as he can...

Going to pull a nasty on him on the Screw Loose Change video site. Just need a quote.

I'd suggest you search the LC forums, but their search function is pretty crippled.

Try here: http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/ Search the blog archives and the old version of the blog. You'll probably find something there.

(btw, the Loose Change website is back up...it doesn't look like anything has changed and there's no word from Dylan on how the Naudet Bros. lawsuit threat was resolved)

[delphi_ote]

I need a ninja avatar
Follow the ancient formula of our ancestors.
Digital camera + t-shirt + these instructions (http://macoto_images.home.comcast.net/shirtninja/tutorial.jpg) + boredom with Windows programming = new avatar

ETA Feel free to substitute Windows programming with whatever currently bores you.

ETA2 Had to fix that link to the instructions.

[Ducky]

I don't have windows...

I have the GIMP!

now I need a f***ing camera.

[Kiwiwriter]

Is your name Lister? ;)

Yeah, they are way out there. I work for the federal government (military), and have a Secret level clearance. My father works for the state government (so does my mother, actually, being a teacher at a public school...or is that local?). So I must be ALL conspiracied up.

In that case, do you know the secret CIA/Trilateralist/Bilderberger handshake? :D

But I know how you feel....I remember taking calls and e-mails about TWA Flight 800, from Americans and New Zealanders convinced the US Navy shot down the plane. I told them, "We only shoot down Iranian airliners by mistake, not our own."

[FFed]

Man, ninjas everywhere. Should I be pre ordering my JREF Ninja video game? :)

[60hzxtl]

I told them, "We only shoot down Iranian airliners by mistake, not our own."


Where have all the good PAO's gone?

[Kiwiwriter]

I've discovered something interesting. Sometimes, when you bring up a valid point to the CTers, they resort to insults. Sometimes they change the subject. Sometimes they deny your evidence.


And sometimes, the thread just....dies.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5207&st=0&#entry5015235

Neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers do the exact same thing. One time, after I patiently explained to some lugnut how the Nazis used cover language to avoid saying, "We're going to murder all the Jews," the guy shot back by denouncing my writing ability...he said I needed to make acquaintance with books on grammar and run my work through a "fog checker." After ripping my writing, he then said that if I just stuck to points and facts, we could have an interesting debate.

Since I have an MFA in Creative Writing from the New School for Social Research, and have had my works published (for pay, I assure you) for 25 years, I couldn't stop laughing.

I told him that since he thought so little of my writing ability, he should save his debate for a foeman worthy of his steel....if he could find one.

[Kiwiwriter]

That's when you cut the head off of a tatoo, duh.

:D


Is that what happened to Herve Villechaize? "Boss, boss, the plane, the plane!" :D

[chipmunk stew]

I need a ninja avatarThis one might work...?

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/636/636142/more-hints-at-ps3-ninja-gaiden-20050725001109440.jpg

[MarkyX]

I'd suggest you search the LC forums, but their search function is pretty crippled.

Try here: http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/ Search the blog archives and the old version of the blog. You'll probably find something there.

(btw, the Loose Change website is back up...it doesn't look like anything has changed and there's no word from Dylan on how the Naudet Bros. lawsuit threat was resolved)

Nope, no luck.

[azazal]

I need a ninja avatar

Some ideas that sping to mind

http://www.grategatsby.com/ninjaguitar.jpg

http://scene.cherry-boy.com/pics/ninja3.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Greyfox.jpg

http://students.thiel.edu/acosentino/images/mgsninja.jpg

http://www.uniquities.co.uk/acatalog/sa004.jpg

[Kiwiwriter]

Where have all the good PAO's gone?

They work for the City of Newark, NJ. :D

[60hzxtl]

(btw, the Loose Change website is back up...it doesn't look like anything has changed and there's no word from Dylan on how the Naudet Bros. lawsuit threat was resolved)


I wonder if it's too much to hope that Dylan is under a gag order. . .

[Kiwiwriter]

I wonder if it's too much to hope that Dylan is under a gag order. . .

No...he's still under the age of 30.

When he hits that age, his conspiracy theories will start dropping away in the face of harsh realities, and his real enemy will be the IRS.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Some ideas that sping to mind

http://www.grategatsby.com/ninjaguitar.jpg

http://scene.cherry-boy.com/pics/ninja3.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Greyfox.jpg

http://students.thiel.edu/acosentino/images/mgsninja.jpg

http://www.uniquities.co.uk/acatalog/sa004.jpg

http://search.deviantart.com/searchcraft/?cmd=1&offset=0&search=ninja

[The_Fire]

The answer is "YES" at a resounding 160db.

Gimme a f***ing sword...

What KIND of db's?

[CptColumbo]

It's been a few days since anyone supporting LC has posted here, they must be busy with their junior high graduation ceremonies.

On the subject of the Naudets, I have to side with the guys who risked their lives to get the footage, rather than the jackass-wanabee-Michael-Moore-film-school-failure who stole it and told them that what they saw didn't happen.

[Pardalis]

Some ideas that sping to mind

http://www.grategatsby.com/ninjaguitar.jpg

http://scene.cherry-boy.com/pics/ninja3.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Greyfox.jpg

http://students.thiel.edu/acosentino/images/mgsninja.jpg

http://www.uniquities.co.uk/acatalog/sa004.jpg

Mine looked too much like it was wearing an hihab, I decided to change it so not to offend any one. :D

[Pardalis]

No...he's still under the age of 30.

When he hits that age, his conspiracy theories will start dropping away in the face of harsh realities, and his real enemy will be the IRS.

The elder CTs are just simply insane. They cannot be helped anymore.

[Pardalis]

Wow, I just got promoted by Chipmunk to:

Secret Ocelot Ninja Claw Attack!

Right on!:cool:

[azazal]

Wow, I just got promoted by Chipmunk to:

Secret Ocelot Ninja Claw Attack!

Right on!:cool:


Sounds exciting, soon the Illuminati will set us loose on the world, i just know it. That, plus I' tired of being stuck in the cube farm

[Belz...]

Look in your hand and you will see your sword was there all along. A ninja and his sword are one.

Damn. You're good.

[Ducky]

What KIND of db's?


DBv DBm DBi....

Straight sound pressure. Not the electric equivalent.

Just DB.

[Belz...]

DBv DBm DBi....

Straight sound pressure. Not the electric equivalent.

Just DB.

I see the titanium's back! Good. Good. <rubs hands rogether>

[Johnny Pixels]

So I got banned from Loose Change the other night, I was quite rude, I think, and a little drunk. Not very becoming of a ninja.

[Belz...]

So I got banned from Loose Change the other night, I was quite rude, I think, and a little drunk. Not very becoming of a ninja.

You must now fight your inner self to attain balance...

Or something like that.

[Hutch]

Well, my backdoor is working and I just came across this piece of dreck..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5672

I am so forwarding this to webfusion, skeptic, and zenith-nadir with a suggestion they join in the fun...why, yes, I am evil, as it so happens...

[pgwenthold]

Well, my backdoor is working ...


:)

[Gravy]

A sympathetic ninja pointed out to me that over in the LC forum, DJLegacy, AKA "The Truth," has really been flapping his gums about ol' Gravy. Turns out it's true. These quotes of his came from one page of one thread, and there are a bunch of similar threads.
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5082

Gravy's article is all unsourced quotes, personal opinions, and weak attempts at being a smart ass...

Its pretty sad some of you are still defending an article that has all of the qualities that you bash LC for.

Most of what he "Debunks" is the errors that Dylan already admitted to. Besides that how do we even know if 80% of his facts are real, he has no sources then the rest is personal opinion....

Gravy doesnt come close to doing anything except making himself look like a sarcastic tool.

I suppose, but my feeling would be that the obvious answer would be that Gravy did not accomplish what he set out to do, because all of the BS in his peice for one cant be proven because he doesnt list sources and in maily opinions, and for 2 people cant take hypocrites like him seriously enough to want to look into the validity of the peice.

Its a VERY VERY poorly done article and people come on this board posting it like it is the skeptics bible...but yet in contains everything that you hate LC for...

So...What is that article supposed to accomplish?...Since it is LC's mirrored but evil twin....
Now, this doesn't seem very gentlemanly of him, considering these facts:

– He knows that I can't post on the LC forum.
– He never attempted to debate me when I did post there.
– On my LC critique I posted my email address and asked people to send corrections and constructive criticism. He has not done so.

Therefore, I am giving him a chance to be a gentleman, and bring his facts to this forum. I started a thread for him to make it easy:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1686587#post1686587

He gets to pick any and every 9/11 topic he wants to, as long as it's something that LC touched on.

I just need someone to relay this message to him. I'm sure he isn't hiding behind the skirts of the mods there. He just doesn't known where to find me.


eta: I changed my avatar to Henry the corgi so as not to frighten DJ

[Kiwiwriter]

The elder CTs are just simply insane. They cannot be helped anymore.

Right, you either realize that you either have to turn into your parents and go back to normality or you permanently veer off into insanity.

One of the more bizarre things I noted about William Pierce's neo-Nazis was that apparently none of them have wives acquired through the standard process of courtship and romance.

They all have mail-order brides from Russia and what used to be Yugoslavia. All named Eva or Olga. And Dr. Pierce himself was on his third ex-wife. All three of them, as soon as they got their precious Green Card, got the heck out of the neo-Nazi compound as fast as their Eastern European legs could carry them.

I'm not an expert, but I would suspect that a lot of these conspiracy wackos are short in the family department, too.

[chipmunk stew]

eta: I changed my avatar to Henry the corgi so as not to frighten DJAwww... Henry looks like he wouldn't hurt a fly.

[azazal]

Awww... Henry looks like he wouldn't hurt a fly.


Ahh but donlt you see, that is the true skill of a JREF Ninja, to look harmless, to lure the enemy in with a false sense if security. Gravy has found the perfect disguise

[The_Fire]

DBv DBm DBi....

Straight sound pressure. Not the electric equivalent.

Just DB.
*Quickly plugins in the concert-ear-plugs in the correct place to prevent loss of hearing*

BTW: Can I be the airborn ninja division? I got my own broom.....

ETA: that other thing just sounded ....wrong...

[aggle-rithm]

Awww... Henry looks like he wouldn't hurt a fly.

...said the person who's obviously never had a corgi...

[hurdygurdy]

I just need someone to relay this message to him. I'm sure he isn't hiding behind the skirts of the mods there. He just doesn't known where to find me.


As you wish, Master Ninja.

[Gravy]

Awww... Henry looks like he wouldn't hurt a fly.
His invisibility fu is very strong. And he can see with one eye what others can only see with two!
http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/87904485bf01ec79c.jpg

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

His invisibility fu is very strong. And he can see with one eye what others can only see with two!
http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/87904485bf01ec79c.jpg

I'll see your short dog:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/DSC00182.jpg

And raise you a not-so-short dog:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/DSC00080.jpg

[JamesB]

That is amazing, because Pat and I have made over 200 posts on Screw Loose Change, many of them based at least partially on the work Gravy has done, and every time I have found his assertions to be completely sourced and based on reality. As opposed to every time we investigate assertions made in Loose Change, which usually require a lot of effort to find out where they were actually getting their information from, and usually have nothing to do with what the original fact.

Of course we get people coming on our blog making the same accusations. Not a single actual example though, they say, "You have no source" and leave.

[realitybites]

Short dogs are fastah grasshoppa... Glide through snow....

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3874/901/1600/tanflop.1.jpg

[MarkyX]

One wanna debunker gone :)

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=28355285&postID=114807270918230998

[Ducky]

awww beagles.

I love beagles.

[60hzxtl]

[QUOTE=The_Fire;1686711
BTW: Can I be the airborn ninja division? I got my own broom.....

...[/QUOTE]


I'm all for it, but I'd never play with fire.

[kookbreaker]

One wanna debunker gone :)

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=28355285&postID=114807270918230998

One correction.

I do not believe we ever gave Saddam weapons. We gave him loads of other resources during the war, but his weaponry was well rooted in the Soviet system. Our weapons would have gotten in the way.

[MarkyX]

One correction.

I do not believe we ever gave Saddam weapons. We gave him loads of other resources during the war, but his weaponry was well rooted in the Soviet system. Our weapons would have gotten in the way.

O RLY?

Damn. Either way though, just because we give someone a weapon or tanks, doesn't mean we said "Yeah, go kill your own people". You can't pin the blame of the United States due to someone's else irrational behavior.

[Sentinel]

Heres a little ditty I picked up after the last WTC Memorial. This should what the fake truth people are really about. Yes, there are questions that need answering but these people do not respect the dead so they are not interested in the truth.


Lisa Guliani <wingedpiper@yahoo.com> Wrote:

Isaac will be on Rense tonight. He says he's going to trash my as, or something like that. The guy is lying. He told me he's been questioned by the NYPD and theres an inquiry going on about the article we ran on him. He says I am going to be called "Shortly". I said I welcome an inquiry because then I can tell everybody how he has tried to intimidate me into retracting a truthful article. I welcome the inquiry,I said. I told him I hope they call me tomorrow.

Lisa


Tim White <phantom469366@yahoo.com> wrote:


Lisa,

I have friends in New York City who know lots of FDNY and NYPD personnel and I will put the word out to them-clay and shawn pickering-both are very close with Ted Gunderson, Col Don de Grand Pre and Cathie Bell-she is obne of the founders(Nico Haupt the other) of the 9/11 movement in NYC-that is really ********** now and this Isaac puke is obviously just one of the perps. Clay used to play pro-football so maybe a "VISIT" to Paul Isaac Jr might be in order if he insist on threatening you like he is now.


Tim



Loosechange Blog

On the Road Again
Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:17PM


Ok, I'm going to let the cat out of the bag.
I'm leaving for NYC in a couple of hours to interview none other than Paul Isaac jr. He wants to clear the air aboput a couple off things, on the record and give us some things off the record. But, I'd like to speak for him ahead of time and say that this article " I know 911 was an inside job, the Police know 911 was an inside job, and the firemen know it too". Yeah Total ******** !!

He never said anything of the sort. I've got three different videos of paul and lisa having it out and nothing close to that is ever said. Sonmebodys stretching the truth and I don't think its paul. Copuple that with the complete lack of complian on the part of Chris Petherick of AFP who refuses pauls request to have the wingtv article removed from their website, and every other website on the internet which is touting that article as gospel,and, well, you could say paul's a little upset. Rightfully so, I'll let him tell the story. I just wanted to vent a little cause wingtv has not exactly been on the movements goodside for some time now, and this incedent further throws their character into question.


:D




Reposted by Sentinel

[Belz...]

eta: I changed my avatar to Henry the corgi so as not to frighten DJ

!!! You dare deny your heritage!!

[Hutch]

Sentinel:

Whaaaaa...???

Could you (or someone) elucidate on what the above posts represent? I guess maybe the bad English and copied but not date e-mails confuse me, but I truly do not know where you are going with this.

[Belz...]

Well, my backdoor is working and I just came across this piece of dreck..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5672

I am so forwarding this to webfusion, skeptic, and zenith-nadir with a suggestion they join in the fun...why, yes, I am evil, as it so happens...

That. Was. Painful.

[Gravy]

Sentinel:

Whaaaaa...???

Could you (or someone) elucidate on what the above posts represent? I guess maybe the bad English and copied but not date e-mails confuse me, but I truly do not know where you are going with this.
I could translate all of that, as I've followed it all on the internet.
But I won't. It's an ugly story with Rashomon-like points of view, and if Paul wants to clarify it, he's welcome to.

[dubfan]

O RLY?

Damn. Either way though, just because we give someone a weapon or tanks, doesn't mean we said "Yeah, go kill your own people". You can't pin the blame of the United States due to someone's else irrational behavior.

The US supplied approx. 1% of Iraq's conventional arsenal. The majority (82% or more) was supplied by Russia, France, and China.

http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/atirq_data.html/view?searchterm=iraq%20arms

[Gravy]

Well, my backdoor is working and I just came across this piece of dreck..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5672

I am so forwarding this to webfusion, skeptic, and zenith-nadir with a suggestion they join in the fun...why, yes, I am evil, as it so happens...
I hope he sent it to the correct address. While the vaults in their headquarters are being renovated, the Zionists are sharing space with Opus Dei on Lexington Ave.

[MarkyX]

That. Was. Painful.

I looked at the first paragraph and my brain exploded. Had to buy a new one on Ebay to continue.

Bastards.

[CptColumbo]

I hope he sent it to the correct address. While the vaults in their headquarters are being renovated, the Zionists are sharing space with Opus Dei on Lexington Ave.
The cafeteria must be the source of some lively conversations.

[JamesB]

I do not believe we ever gave Saddam weapons. We gave him loads of other resources during the war, but his weaponry was well rooted in the Soviet system. Our weapons would have gotten in the way.

That urban legend has been going on for years. We sold Saddam some industrial chemicals, which could have been used in the production of chemical weapons, big deal, most of the chemicals known to man could harm someone in some form or another. And we sold him some civilian helicopters which could have been converted to military use. Somehow this has mutated to "Reagan gave Saddam all his weapons"

Iraqi weaponry was almost exclusively Soviet, Chinese and French. This is not opinion, or speculation, it is fact. Just look at all the stuff we blew up, not an American tank or APC among them.

[kookbreaker]

The cafeteria must be the source of some lively conversations.

You'd think so, but its all just sinister laughing. "Bwahh-ha-ha!" this and "Mwuh-ha-ha!" that. Gets tiring fast.

[sat556]

From a link MarkyX put a while ago:

Kind of like those 19 arabs who managed to hijack 4 flights with boxcutters and outsmart the entire U.S defense system,

This seems to crop up a lot. I wonder if this conspiracy is the kids way of dealing with the fact that America isn't quite as secure and wonderful as they thought it was, and is just as easily attacked by a small group of people with a serious agenda as anywhere else is.
Statements like the one above seem to indicate that they think they are too superior to have something like this happen.

[The_Fire]

I remember a case where a danish journalist managed to smuggle a knife onboard an inter-european flight AFTER 9/11.
Security systems can be circumvented if you want to bad enough.
I'll have a look-see to fish out a link on that story.

ETA:
My bad: He only took it to the gate, but he could have gotten it onboard the plane.
Here we go:
In Danish, court documents:
http://www.cfje.dk/cfje/Lovbasen.nsf/ID/LB04427095

Artikel on Journalisten.dk:
http://www.journalisten.dk/sw5349.asp

A similar case, US-UK flight, no journalist but with a short mention of the danish case:
http://www.channel4.com/news/2004/01/week_2/14_hrow.html

[CptColumbo]

You'd think so, but its all just sinister laughing. "Bwahh-ha-ha!" this and "Mwuh-ha-ha!" that. Gets tiring fast.
But the wild gesturing and rubbing of the hands is a good cardio workout.

[Apollyon]

That urban legend has been going on for years. We sold Saddam some industrial chemicals, which could have been used in the production of chemical weapons, big deal, most of the chemicals known to man could harm someone in some form or another. And we sold him some civilian helicopters which could have been converted to military use. Somehow this has mutated to "Reagan gave Saddam all his weapons"

Iraqi weaponry was almost exclusively Soviet, Chinese and French. This is not opinion, or speculation, it is fact. Just look at all the stuff we blew up, not an American tank or APC among them.
Not to mention that the common refrain of "We were Saddam's buddy in the 80's." is pretty much garbage too. We gave Iraq support, mostly intelligence, but we also gave Iran support very quietly. We played both ends against the middle because we didn't want either side to win their war. A choice between a megalomaniac and a radical theocracy was not much of a choice.

And that picture that people love to post showing Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand as some sort of proof of collusion. Most people don't recognize him, but standing at the right hand of Saddam is Jacques Chirac. I always get a good chuckle when people cluelessly post that picture.

[Hellbound]

You know, I always thought the "we supported Iraq before" argument was bogus, even if true.

If it was true, doesn't that make it that much more our responsibility to correct the problem?

If I sold someone a gun, then found out they used it to shoot their wife, you can d@mn well believe I'd feel partly responsible. Of course, in this situation, I'd be more likely to go to the police and reveal what I knew than try to track the person down on my own...but still.

Likewise, if I donate to a charity, then later find out that the charity is a fraud, you can also believe that I'll do what I can to make sure they get exposed for what they are.

So, even assuming that we did support Iraq in earlier years, even assuming we did provide them with weapons, that just makes it that much more our responsibility to take care of the situation.

Just my 3 cents (inflation).

[60hzxtl]

You know, I always thought the "we supported Iraq before" argument was bogus, even if true.





Ever been to a wedding, and a few years later heard the couple was getting divorced? And then you hear why, and you are shocked - shocked!

[Sentinel]

I'd like to apologize in advance as I'm not as creative as a writer as most of you.

There are some of us who want a clear investigation on 9-11 and there are those out there working the cointel operation trying to discredit us with there performance.


I work alone to investigate the matter of the attacks, I am not connected with any group or organization with profit. I lost alot of my friends that day and felt the need to search out the facts to that days event. I am pro governemnt but feel theres more to 9-11 than what we as the people are being told and maybe even lead to believe such as the connection with saddam hussien.



Sorry short on time.


Sentinel

[Pardalis]

:confused:

Welcome Sentinel...

[60hzxtl]

I am pro governemnt but feel theres more to 9-11 than what we as the people are being told and maybe even lead to believe such as the connection with saddam hussien.



Sorry short on time.


Sentinel


Welcome Sentinel - who ever made that connection?

If you need an analogy, Japan attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. The US went after Germany first.

Germany had no planes at Pearl Harbor.

If we wanted to go after Hussain, then the frame that the CT'ers talk about would have been around Hussain, not 19 Arabs, not one of them Iraqi.

[Gravy]

Well, my backdoor is working and I just came across this piece of dreck..
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5672

Once again the Loosers are in fine company. (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=3032764)

[CptColumbo]

Once again the Loosers are in fine company. (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=3032764)

Thanks, but my stomach is upset enough today.

[brodski]

Once again the Loosers are in fine company. (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=3032764)
you may want to warn people when you link to storm front, that whole site is usually considered NSFW. :)

[Pardalis]

you may want to warn people when you link to storm front, that whole site is usually considered NSFW. :)

Yeah, at least give us some warning first! Yuck...
;)

[CptColumbo]

I just can't stay mad when I see that puppy.

[Curnir]

Welcome Sentinel - who ever made that connection?

If you need an analogy, Japan attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. The US went after Germany first.

Germany had no planes at Pearl Harbor.

hmm no I'd say they went for the Japanese first.
First US ship fired on German sub september 1941
Franklin D. Roosevelt orders the United States Navy to shoot on sight if any ship or convoy is threatened. September 1941
2 US navy ships sunk by Germans subs in October 1941

Pearl Harbor december 1941

US forces repels Japanese landing attempt on wake island on december 11 1941
Japanese forces successfully land on Wake island, US garrison surrenders after hard fighting. December 23 1941
The Doolittle Raid was in april 1942 - Japan
Battle of the coral sea was in may 1942 - Japan
US forces started to supply British Forces in the Desert War in May 1942 - Germany /Italy
Battle of Midway june 1942 - Japan
US Army Air Force began their work in europe in July 1942 - Germany
Operation Torch was in November 1942. - Germany/Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1941
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942

[60hzxtl]

Factually correct, but in terms of strategy, and overall goal, the focus was on Germany.

Perhaps my mistake for short rather than detailed answer.

Nothing wrong with wiki on those citations, but bucket brigade encyclopedia is not for me.

[Curnir]

Factually correct, but in terms of strategy, and overall goal, the focus was on Germany.

Perhaps my mistake for short rather than detailed answer.

ahh yes the strategic focus was definately on the European theater.

[CptColumbo]

Don't forget that Germany declared war on the US Dec. 11th, 1941.

[Pardalis]

Comparisons between completely different events from completely different eras are always risky buisiness.

[kookbreaker]

Comparisons between completely different events from completely different eras are always risky buisiness.

But don't you see? Henry V wanted an incident with France to restart the war! The paralells with the Bush administration are uncnanny!!!!

[Johnny Pixels]

Basically any event with a fairly simple and logical explanation will have an equal and opposite conspiracy theory that is both needlessly complex and illogical.

[Gravy]

I just came across this sticky note on my computer. It's a quote by CT blogger who had just seen the movie "United 93." To me this perfectly sums up the mind-boggling nature of 9/11 CT thought:

"I actually saw the movie yesterday, and being a firm believer of the inside job, I think they did a very good job unfortunately. If someone sees this movie before Loose Change, it would make it twice as hard to try and make yourself disbelieve the Government's story. The movie makes the events much more real to the viewer, it's a shame what this movie will accomplish."

Posted by UNSCleric on Saturday, April 29, 2006 at 7:02 AM

:eye-poppi

[Abbyas]

*The movie makes the events much more real to the viewer, it's a shame what this movie will accomplish."

Phrases like that make me want to throw up.

[Pardalis]

Were their parents around at all when they grew up? Are TV, movies and the internet their only source to formulate their judgment?

[Hutch]

Were their parents around at all when they grew up? Are TV, movies and the internet their only source to formulate their judgment?

And that is something I have also thought having spent time in LC. There are a couple who can work with theory and do some legwork (Russell Pickering, payt, ever Merc the Jerk now and then) but the vast majority of it seems to be "Look at this clip" or "Look at this guys' tape", with much oohing and aahing and copious use of similies. But not much in the way of analysis and review or options for further study.

There is now way to prove it, but I rather think the ages there skew fairly young, people brought up with and around the electronic/computer revolution
and who are more comfortable looking at movies or pictures and drawing conclusions than reading big, dull reports with lots of math and symbols.

I just hope that is it not to widespread yet, or I fear for the nation my grandnieces and nephews yet unborn will face...

I remember an old Science Fiction story--The Marching Morons--of how the very few smart people in the future labored to provide for the vast majority of people who simply couldn't be bothered to think. I hope this is fantasy and not future history.

OK, that's enough gloom (gotta go finish my laundy and hang up my shirts neatly :mad: )

[Polaris]

That urban legend has been going on for years. We sold Saddam some industrial chemicals, which could have been used in the production of chemical weapons, big deal, most of the chemicals known to man could harm someone in some form or another. And we sold him some civilian helicopters which could have been converted to military use. Somehow this has mutated to "Reagan gave Saddam all his weapons"

Iraqi weaponry was almost exclusively Soviet, Chinese and French. This is not opinion, or speculation, it is fact. Just look at all the stuff we blew up, not an American tank or APC among them.

And it's gobbled up as gospel truth by anybody who has an axe to grind against the United States. You tend to see this claim in sentences like this: "Well the US armed Saddam just like they created the Taliban to fight the Russians and the CIA bankrolled Osama." With all the nasty, underhanded crap done during the Cold War, all the "anti-Communist" excesses (many of which are overblown to show nothing more than the Big Bad Americans being, well, evil for no reason) provide plenty of ammunition to tarnish the US. No need to make stuff up.

[60hzxtl]

Were their parents around at all when they grew up? Are TV, movies and the internet their only source to formulate their judgment?


Yes, and "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" is their source, even if it is a bucket brigade, with no fact check.

I judge kids projects for History day every year at the Museum of the City of NY. Entire projects are based on Web info and citations. It get circular.

I point to myself on IMDB.com. and find 6 films, (of dozens) I've worked on listed under my name - yet of the 6, I never did a day on 2 of them!

Maybe we should start a Wikipedia debunking thread.

[Curnir]

soo should I feel ashamed, since I used wikipedia for some quick reference regarding dates for incidents leading to US involment in the diffrent theaters of world war II?

[60hzxtl]

soo should I feel ashamed, since I used wikipedia for some quick reference regarding dates for incidents leading to US involment in the diffrent theaters of world war II?

No, no, no no.

If that was your ONLY reference to WW2 yes.

As a whole Wiki is pretty good, but in isolated cases it can be as screwy as the last editor.

Your info on WW2 can be cross referenced, and found elsewhere, you quoted it because it was a fast rebuttal of my short and spotty analogy, but if you told me you were up there with Samuel Elliott Morrison, because you had read Wiki, I'd give you an uh, huh.

The Wiki refence was not aimed at you, by any stretch, just my general frustration at the crowd that thinks that if you read it on the web it's fact. Which is how we got to the CT thread in the first place.

For my next trick I'll need a volunteer - watch as the audio Ninja tries to get his foot out of his mouth.


I did say "Nothing wrong with wiki on those citations. . . " But you knew the facts before hand, and went to Wiki for the details.

[WildCat]

soo should I feel ashamed, since I used wikipedia for some quick reference regarding dates for incidents leading to US involment in the diffrent theaters of world war II?
Check out kiwiwriter's WWII site:
http://www.usswashington.com/dl_index.htm

[Orphia Nay]

You know, I always thought the "we supported Iraq before" argument was bogus, even if true.

If it was true, doesn't that make it that much more our responsibility to correct the problem?

If I sold someone a gun, then found out they used it to shoot their wife, you can d@mn well believe I'd feel partly responsible. Of course, in this situation, I'd be more likely to go to the police and reveal what I knew than try to track the person down on my own...but still.

Likewise, if I donate to a charity, then later find out that the charity is a fraud, you can also believe that I'll do what I can to make sure they get exposed for what they are.

So, even assuming that we did support Iraq in earlier years, even assuming we did provide them with weapons, that just makes it that much more our responsibility to take care of the situation.

Just my 3 cents (inflation).


Exactly. I was going to raise that point, but you have done it much better than what I'd formulated, although I was going to mention the USA's duty to Afghanistan as well.

CTists are so convinced that it is inconceivable that the government can do any good for anyone, it's a wonder they're not all dead from crossing against red traffic lights.

[RandFan]

CTists are so convinced that it is inconceivable that the government can do any good for anyone, it's a wonder they're not all dead from crossing against red traffic lights.Yeah, the jack booted feds. Most if not all fringe groups have a deep seated mistrust of anything government. I like the highways, I like that earthquakes in America (California) don't cause anywhere near the death and destruction that equally strong earthquakes in other nations do. I'm Libertarian but I like a lot of the things government does and I don't automatically distrust government. I have a healthy skepticism of their power and the ability to flush my tax money down a toilet but that's par for the course.

[Orphia Nay]

...
And to you Ninja Wave folks...I'm feeling left out, being a lowly government shill who's never posted at LC. I think I'm gonna join that Humor Revolution thingy, cause then I'll feel just a little more, ya know, special. Have you totally joined forces with them, or not? Cause I don't have time for the Humor thing if it doesn't get me closer to ninja wave status.

Is there a JREF government shill avatar?


Hi Mr Skinny. Posting at LC will get you closer to ninja wave status.

The ninja wave are honorary rebels at this point. As a rebel, believe me, being part of the fun in the humour forum is often a welcome respite from ninja duties at LC. (Being skinny would be an advantage, as our chef, JLam, is away getting married, and all we've got are Kelly's brownies, which make you skinnier in a rather unpleasant way.)

I'm not sure what a government shill avatar would look like (any thoughts?) but I found a cool illuminati smilie (http://www.cybertavern.net/upload5/leftyilumsmilie.gif).

[Brainster]

soo should I feel ashamed, since I used wikipedia for some quick reference regarding dates for incidents leading to US involment in the diffrent theaters of world war II?

You shouldn't use it as a source per se, but as a source of sources. That is, look at the links and link to those. It's not about shame, it's about credibility.

[Trifikas]

Well, hoping we can finally stamp "Busted" (a 'la Mythbusters) on the controlled demo theory:
__________________________________________________ _
Quote from: http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aCuh.ATdfOXc&refer=top_world_news
Buckling Steel

According to Shyam-Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towers opposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam-Sunder said.

The report includes photographs taken from police helicopters showing the bending columns.
___________________________________________


If explosives were used, the Towers wouldn't show signs of Buckling 20 minutes before hand. Can we get further info on it? and pics, if the report is available.

[Brainster]

I just came across this sticky note on my computer. It's a quote by CT blogger who had just seen the movie "United 93." To me this perfectly sums up the mind-boggling nature of 9/11 CT thought:

"I actually saw the movie yesterday, and being a firm believer of the inside job, I think they did a very good job unfortunately. If someone sees this movie before Loose Change, it would make it twice as hard to try and make yourself disbelieve the Government's story. The movie makes the events much more real to the viewer, it's a shame what this movie will accomplish."

Posted by UNSCleric on Saturday, April 29, 2006 at 7:02 AM

:eye-poppi

One of the more bizarre parts of Loose Change is the (terrific) animated sequence of AA 77 hitting the Pentagon, and it's for just the reason cited above. If you don't believe that AA 77 hit the Pentagon, why would they show it happening? It certainly seems to be undercutting their own argument.

[Kiwiwriter]

Not to mention that the common refrain of "We were Saddam's buddy in the 80's." is pretty much garbage too. We gave Iraq support, mostly intelligence, but we also gave Iran support very quietly. We played both ends against the middle because we didn't want either side to win their war. A choice between a megalomaniac and a radical theocracy was not much of a choice.

And that picture that people love to post showing Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand as some sort of proof of collusion. Most people don't recognize him, but standing at the right hand of Saddam is Jacques Chirac. I always get a good chuckle when people cluelessly post that picture.

What I get a kick out of are the folks who made, sold, and posted bumper stickers that read "Buy Iraqi War Bonds" during the 1979-81 hostage crisis in Iran, when Iraq and Iran started that 10-year war.

I wonder how those sticker-makers feel now?:D

[Johnny Pixels]

One of the more bizarre parts of Loose Change is the (terrific) animated sequence of AA 77 hitting the Pentagon, and it's for just the reason cited above. If you don't believe that AA 77 hit the Pentagon, why would they show it happening? It certainly seems to be undercutting their own argument.

You can't undercut an argument that didn't have anything to hold it up to begin with. That's what scares me about CTs. Lack of any kind of logic, or science, or thinking or anything really

[Kiwiwriter]

Once again the Loosers are in fine company. (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=3032764)


...I had to look. The most amazing thing I saw there was some guy has as his signature line, "Stormfront is in danger of becoming Crypto-Jew Front."

Wait...that means the Jews are taking over the neo-Nazi web pages? :boggled: :confused: :shocked: :yikes:

[Kiwiwriter]

Were their parents around at all when they grew up? Are TV, movies and the internet their only source to formulate their judgment?

Answer: latchkey kids in one-parent families or families where both parents work, growing up in a nation that is filled with the cynicism that has infected America since Vietnam, Watergate, Billygate, Contragate, reaching its peak with the national obsession over Monica Lewinsky's semen-stained dress.

They don't believe anything they are told by newscasts, newspapers, teachers, or any authority figures any more. Such sources are now all discredited as liars or lobbyists.

They get their news from urban legend websites, conspiracy theory websites, celebrities, and Comedy Central.

If Stephen Spielberg hadn't done good movies on World War II (and Michael Bay a lousy one), they probably would not have known there was such a conflict.

[60hzxtl]

One of the more bizarre parts of Loose Change is the (terrific) animated sequence of AA 77 hitting the Pentagon, and it's for just the reason cited above. If you don't believe that AA 77 hit the Pentagon, why would they show it happening? It certainly seems to be undercutting their own argument.


I wonder who made that animation in the first place?

I wonder who the source is?

I wonder who owns it?

I wonder if they sold it as stock footage to "like hey, man, Dylan" ?

I wonder if the check cleared?

I wonder if they know it's in there if it wasn't produced by the losers?

I wonder.

[Correa Neto]

Sorry if this was raised before (too many pages, posts and threads for my old rotten chemtrail-affected neurons)...

Those TCs... They pay their taxes don't they?

If they do, they are supporting teh conspyracies...

[60hzxtl]

Sorry if this was raised before (too many pages, posts and threads for my old rotten chemtrail-affected neurons)...

Those TCs... They pay their taxes don't they?

If they do, they are supporting teh conspyracies...


You pay taxes if you have an income.

Live in your parent's basement?

Tax free. . .

[Pardalis]

Well, my backdoor is working and I just came across this piece of dreck..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5672


Why is this neonazi piece of sh*t allowed to post there?

[Belz...]

You pay taxes if you have an income.

Live in your parent's basement?

Tax free. . .

Ad homs again.

[Belz...]

Why is this neonazi piece of sh*t allowed to post there?

Don't you just Looooove Constitution's response :

Zionist war crimes will be judged by the hand of God.

He can kick ass better than any of us can. It's just a shame the catholic church doesnt get ecumenical on their baby-murdering asses.

[kookbreaker]

Why is this neonazi piece of sh*t allowed to post there?

The 911 CT movement is gaining a rep as being unwilling to purge its ranks of its most odious members. Loose Change is simply the most obvious demonstration of that fact.

JFK CT'ers managed to keep a better 'control' over their ranks. Heck, even the nutjobs who speculated that OK City was a conspiracy managed to keep the racist nonsense out of the public arguements for the most part.

For Loose Change, a guy in an SS Uniform whose hobby is throwing lit matches at minorities is merely another increase in the ranks.

[chipmunk stew]

Well, hoping we can finally stamp "Busted" (a 'la Mythbusters) on the controlled demo theory:
__________________________________________________ _
Quote from: http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aCuh.ATdfOXc&refer=top_world_news
Buckling Steel

According to Shyam-Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towers opposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam-Sunder said.

The report includes photographs taken from police helicopters showing the bending columns.
___________________________________________


If explosives were used, the Towers wouldn't show signs of Buckling 20 minutes before hand. Can we get further info on it? and pics, if the report is available.You can see a couple pictures in the executive summary of Project 6 of the NIST reports, starting on page lv:
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NCSTAR1-6ExecutiveSummary.pdf

More detailed analysis is available in the full report (warning: long load time):
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-6Draft.pdf

I've never heard an Inside Jobber explain how this buckling fits in with the CD theory.

[no one in particular]

Why is this neonazi piece of sh*t allowed to post there?
I would hope that it's for the same reason that a neonazi piece of sh*t would be allowed to post here. But, of course, it's not.

[kookbreaker]

I've never heard an Inside Jobber explain how this buckling fits in with the CD theory.

They'd probably try to blame it on the 'Vacuum Suck' they claim caused WTC7 to fall 'faster than free fall'.

[Ducky]

They'd probably try to blame it on the 'Vacuum Suck' they claim caused WTC7 to fall 'faster than free fall'.



Mega-Maid went from suck to blow.


COMMENCE OPERATION "VACUU-SUCK!"


SUCK! SUCK! SUCK!

[Pardalis]

The 911 CT movement is gaining a rep as being unwilling to purge its ranks of its most odious members. Loose Change is simply the most obvious demonstration of that fact.

JFK CT'ers managed to keep a better 'control' over their ranks. Heck, even the nutjobs who speculated that OK City was a conspiracy managed to keep the racist nonsense out of the public arguements for the most part.

For Loose Change, a guy in an SS Uniform whose hobby is throwing lit matches at minorities is merely another increase in the ranks.

So basically the LC admins prefer filth over critical debate.

ETA: "LC administrators", that would inculde Dylan Avery right?

[kookbreaker]

So basically the LC admins prefer filth over critical debate.

They prefer anything over critical debate. Look at the ban-o-ramas that happen when one of the moderators (such as The Quest) get their arse handed to them in a debate! He banned at least three participants, some of whom were 911 CT supporters.

[Shrinker]

Some fun to be had here. The Loosers are all registering to boost the votes. Smarter ninjas know you don't need to register to vote...

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/32619/Loose_Change_2nd_Edition_Part_One.html?autoplay=tr ue

From a poster named OJX:

Sorry to spoil the fun, I was also once under the impression that this video was gold, then I read this.

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html (http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseCh)

It pretty much sums up how this is completely wrong in every way second by second of the video, learn like I did.

[NobbyNobbs]

Curiouser and curiouser.

I've been fairly active on the "moon hoax" thread over at LC, because I find it simply fascinating that people don't believe we've been there, despite the mountain of evidence (which more than rivals the 911 OT evidence).

I have a theory that the thread is rapidly devolving into the following......

Me: Here's what's wrong with your theory.
Them: Yeah, well I believe it anyway!
Me: But there's a major hole in it!
Them: I don't care. I believe in it anyway. Plbbt!


The whole thing amazes me.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4560&st=270#entry5119910

[Ducky]

The moon hoax bothers me. None of them acknowledge we send a laser to positioned mirrors on the moon and back to this day. If we never went, how does that work?


http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/ApolloLaser.html



ETA: emphasis.

[Hutch]

We have a new Ninja joining us at LC. (look down the thread near the end)

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5635

Sadly, 'zilla probably won't be there long; he plays in the world of JREF Politics and that is probably too rough for the dellicate sensibilities of the LC Forumites...

[Pardalis]

We have a new Ninja joining us at LC. (look down the thread near the end)

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5635

Sadly, 'zilla probably won't be there long; he plays in the world of JREF Politics and that is probably too rough for the dellicate sensibilities of the LC Forumites...

And he seems to have expertise in aviation. Too bad for him... Expertise is intolerated at LC.

[kookbreaker]

Curiouser and curiouser.

I've been fairly active on the "moon hoax" thread over at LC, because I find it simply fascinating that people don't believe we've been there, despite the mountain of evidence (which more than rivals the 911 OT evidence).

I have a theory that the thread is rapidly devolving into the following......

Me: Here's what's wrong with your theory.
Them: Yeah, well I believe it anyway!
Me: But there's a major hole in it!
Them: I don't care. I believe in it anyway. Plbbt!


The whole thing amazes me.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4560&st=270#entry5119910

And on the next page, Questy went right back to his Sirbel footage, despite it having been debunked rightin front of him. I guess he was too busy banning people to read it.

[c4ts]

The moon hoax bothers me. None of them acknowledge we send a laser to positioned mirrors on the moon and back to this day. If we never went, how does that work?


http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/ApolloLaser.html



ETA: emphasis.

Because they say the first moon landing was faked, the others were real, and they placed the mirrors.

[Ducky]

Because they say the first moon landing was faked, the others were real, and they placed the mirrors.



They do????


What the hell kind of crap is that? If we made it to the moon in 1970, why not 1969?


Or is it that we didn't have the alien tech from Roswell adapted yet?

[The_Fire]

Hang on: Don't these jokers claim that space radiation would kill off the crew if they tried to reach the moon unless they were surrounded by a huge amount of water or lead? How does that tie in with only the first landing being faked?!
The problems would be the same no matter WHEN the launch were!

[kookbreaker]

They do????


What the hell kind of crap is that? If we made it to the moon in 1970, why not 1969?

Oh, you know, that "end of the decade stuff" in the JFK speech.

Some others point out that the Russian robots placed retroreflectors, but they ignore the fact that they had a 50% failure rate. By comparison, all of the retroreflectors placed on the Moon are in perfect working order (and would we ever hear about it in the CT camp if they weren'!)

[Ducky]

Oh, you know, that "end of the decade stuff" in the JFK speech.

Some others point out that the Russian robots placed retroreflectors, but they ignore the fact that they had a 50% failure rate. By comparison, all of the retroreflectors placed on the Moon are in perfect working order (and would we ever hear about it in the CT camp if they weren'!)



Truly that is the most dizzying pile of crap I have ever heard.

[The_Fire]

Did these people get circular logic in with their mothers milk or something?!

[Kent1]

I've never heard an Inside Jobber explain how this buckling fits in with the CD theory.

They're trying.

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108&st=13425

[DavidJames]

We have a new Ninja joining us at LC. (look down the thread near the end)

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5635

Sadly, 'zilla probably won't be there long; he plays in the world of JREF Politics and that is probably too rough for the dellicate sensibilities of the LC Forumites...
Rik's been suspended for 30 days. Apparently because he used to many "er"'s in "dumbererer..." ;)

[Pardalis]

Rik's been suspended for 30 days. Apparently because he used to many "er"'s in "dumbererer..." ;)

Wow, that didn't take long. What's the use of having a skeptic subforum?

[kookbreaker]

Wow, that didn't take long. What's the use of having a skeptic subforum?

Its so they can pretend that they aren't just a circle-jerk.

[chipmunk stew]

They're trying.

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=3108&st=13425 I....see....:confused:

I think I can 'explain' (or at least offer a postulation as to) HOW thermite / thermate / nano-thermite CAN "pull-in" the perimeter columns.

The "gradual weakening with incendiaries" would be primarily directed at key central core columns. The location (& timing) of each individual incendiary 'cutter' would determine how long it would take before the building entered "global collapse". I wouldn't care to speculate how long the process would take, It may only take a minute or so to burn through one particular column, but if such devices (or groups of devices) were timed to ignite sequentially it could take an hour or so to complete cutting ALL the necessary core columns to the point that the entire structure would become unstable. This easily-set-up, gradual compromising of key core column cutting procedures would thus be disguised as a gradual weakening of the entire building until such time as the building could no longer support its own weight. At such time, the building would begin to collapse at its weakest point (obviously at the fire/impact damage areas). Most of the subsequent collapse would be powered then by gravity acting on the severly weakened building ... although addition charges could then be detonated sequentially throughout the gravity driven collapse to assure symmetrical compromise of secondary alternative load-paths which provided structurally redundant strengths (such as technical areas, and the increasing stronger lower columns).

Quite simple to implement, really... It is exactly the same way they 'blew-up' the real-life model building used in the Independance Day movie.It's creative. I'll give it that.

[rikzilla]

And he seems to have expertise in aviation. Too bad for him... Expertise is intolerated at LC.

Yup...I'm a goner!!
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Just when I thought I was getting some traction.... :dl:


....naw...just kidding on the traction thingy.

So...do I still get to be a ninja?

-z

[rikzilla]

Man! I can't even lurk there now...they blocked my IP. The only thing impressive about LC is the lengths that they will go to to keep that comfy wool lodged firmly over their eye-holes.

sheesh!

-z

[Pardalis]

But yet they allow neonazi filth to be posted... I find that disturbing.

[chipmunk stew]

So...do I still get to be a ninja?

-zNot only that, but you've earned a merit badge, courtesy of Shrinker:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/3617447af0dad1e6c.jpg

[azazal]

Yup...I'm a goner!!


Just when I thought I was getting some traction.... :dl:


....naw...just kidding on the traction thingy.

So...do I still get to be a ninja?

-z


Quick and dirty, but I couldn't resist

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/azazal/Misc/ninjaz.jpg

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Quick and dirty, but I couldn't resist

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/azazal/Misc/ninjaz.jpg

So, when does Super Ninja Skeptic Team Timecubeforce Go! get their own tv show?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0423746/

[Belz...]

We have a new Ninja joining us at LC. (look down the thread near the end)

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5635

Sadly, 'zilla probably won't be there long; he plays in the world of JREF Politics and that is probably too rough for the dellicate sensibilities of the LC Forumites...

Indeed:

...and some are even dumbererer...

and some are even "suspendeder"

30days

bye

[Belz...]

Man! I can't even lurk there now...they blocked my IP. The only thing impressive about LC is the lengths that they will go to to keep that comfy wool lodged firmly over their eye-holes.

sheesh!

-z

I do believe there's a cookie you can delete that allows you to lurk there.

Nice work, Zilla. I think you hold some sort of Ninja record for how fast you got booted out of there!

[60hzxtl]

Can somebody who is not suspended over there post this:

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

at this thread
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5730&st=90

so ghettofabulous can see for himself.

[MarkyX]

Deleted

[Ducky]

Can somebody who is not suspended over there post this:

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

at this thread
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5730&st=90

so ghettofabulous can see for himself.


Attempting to download the .rar file gets me an error that you exceeded your redirect limit.

Might wanna check on it.

[MarkyX]

ARRRG

Are you serious?

I will upload it later.

[Sentinel]

I find it funny how these people have "imformer" history recorded by the internet and yet they claim to be against the government.


Exibit A: Wingtv with their 911Inside job sign and the Controled Demolition Sign that thankfully a kid ran through it and destroyed the dam thing at the last Memorial. But, google (Pokerface lisa Guliani alex jones overt censorship)
And you get this lunatic statement by Lisa Guliani about how revere radio made fun of her body and then she felt the need to go to FBI Cybercrimes and the locals to report them for interstate terroristic threats. Really funny stuff to say the least.


Exibit B-The we have are little buddy Dylan Avery or is Abe Shmoline or Shlom Katz on the LGF board Jew Bashing and reported to have reached out the canadian mounties to report Hate Crimes. He says it someone with the same exact name and its not him. Funny how they both like Cynthia Mckinny and both of them believe WTC was a controled Demo.

Snitches steal from the FDNY, then think they're heros.

Sentinel

[Hutch]

I am archiving this here because I feel a banning coming on...

Wrote jenabell about misquoting Sword of Truth earlier and got this reply:

(Hutch @ Jun 7 2006, 06:03 AM)

Quote from jenabell:
Nope they come up with the explanation for this...........they say the picture is so grainy you cannot see the 1st and 2nd degree burns all over them.........nope I am actually not kidding, this is the critical thinking that goes on at JREF (just most people call is denial).

Quote from Sword of Truth (JREF):
looking closely at the photo (wich is so grainy you can't make out basic features like eyes, nose and fingers) can you tell me wether or not she is covered in 1st or 2nd degree burns from being too close to a major fire?

HUTCH:
Please note the italicized parts and tell me they say the same thing (your old 9th Grade English teacher will be watching to see if her lessons took)

I would also note that any fire will cause air to rush in (for combustion purposes) and that a place such as shown in the picture might well have been the safest place at the moment in time that picutre was taken. Sadly, rather than leading to a potential exit it led to oblivion.

JENABELL REPLY TO ABOVE:
What is your point here tool?

Did I not quote your man's post correctly?

I used cut and paste right from your cult forum.



To which I just replied (and thanks for the support Curt C)

jenabell; You get an "Incomplete" on English Language comprehension. Regarding any other Comprehension skills you retain, I cannot comment on.

If I be a tool, it is one that employs logic and reason to build a conclusion, construct a solid and sustainable theory, weld the necessary facts together, hammer out the inconsistencies, lock down loose ends, and saw off hypothesis that do not fit. I am a very handy and adaptable tool.

But I cannot fix loose Screws...

Press on.

[60hzxtl]

Yeah, but ya gotta love the hat on the Wingtv guy.

[MarkyX]

Canadian? Hate crimes?

They didn't even mention their race or religion in the press release.

[rikzilla]

Quick and dirty, but I couldn't resist

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/azazal/Misc/ninjaz.jpg


wow thanks man!!

So many cool prizes!! And all I did was get off about 5 posts over there...

What I find so ironic is that on the one hand they crow about more traffic on their site...and that it doesn't matter if you believe LC at all...just that the video and website are being accessed. They seem to crave the dialog...and then just as it gets going along comes Roxdog's silver hammer...BOOM...on your head!

What a bunch of nutters!
-z

[Sentinel]

One of my favorites comes of the Myspace.com dylan uses.


Exibit C-"CIVIL WAR I'M WITH DYLAN AVERY

Exibit D-Then we have the Screwloosechange post about the interview he took part in where he states "I would like to see George Bush walk out of office and into a Jail. Or at least into a courtroom. I don't think he deserves a jailcell"



WTF ??



Oh, and DJSKalywag will be DJ a club soon here in NYC, maybe a word should put out that he happily colaborates with people who steal from NYC Fireman to make a profit of our loved ones lost.

Also, since I made the visit to Ladder 1 Engine 7 and spoke with some of the Brothers. It has come out that word is being sent to the NYC Hells Angels MCs to have them in attedance at the next memorial, Just for KICKS.


Also on a side note: Robb Revere, when did you get twitsted so tightly as to advocate wingtv and thomas hollbrook in their little disimfo op?

Its disapointing to see you'd rather collaborate with the Enemy than have integrity. The you bann people for freespeech, how funny.

Also ROXDOG aka Sluttmutt still hasbn't figured out what "KEMO" is.
Its the Art of K.E.M.O. , Jerkoff.



Sentinel

[Sentinel]

OH,


I have a meeting with the Brooklyn Attorneys Office tomorrow and will be handing over the Evidence about the Evidunces along with the Naudet Brother Case#131-200 for "willful and Knowing" stupidity and will be turning up the level on these jerkoffs. they have made it quite clear by their behavior that they intend on disorderly conduct anmd lack of respect towards the memorial by inciting anti-governemnt BS like last year but, low and behold things will be very different this year.


Can anyone say "Hats and Bats" for the little internet spooks?



Sentinel

[DJLegacy2k5]

OMG OMG OMG

LADIES GRAB YOUR PANTIES, PAUL ISAAC JR. IS IN THE HOUSE!

For those of you who don't know Paul Isaac Jr. he's the fat Donky Kong looking peice of trash that gets ripped by the crowd on 9/11 in the extras on Loose Change.

He then tried to collab with Dylan Avery on some work and he now claims that Dylan screwed him over.

Paul also believes that 9/11 was pulled off by the Rockefellers and was a cover up for a Nuclear Russian Sub....That was proven to not have nukes.

Paul have you tried Low-Carb with your shots of Test and D-bol lately?


OH BY THE WAY.....
Paul please dont start with the "pushing wigs back, and busting caps" talk that you like to do on the Revere forums...

So your telling us that your fat and out of shape and make loud obnoxious scenes because you were taking part in KEMO? Konstantly Eating Massive Orders? I mean Anyone else get the picture?

Paul you are the smartest guy Ive ever met HAHAHAHAHA "Evidence about the Evidence" huh?


Oh and PS: No autographs please...The Heart Break Kid Is In The Building!

[Pardalis]

OH,

I have a meeting with the Brooklyn Attorneys Office tomorrow

I hope you will be more intelligible when you meet them because I have to admit I'm having great difficulty understanding your posts.

No offense.

[60hzxtl]

Sentinal,

Can we have some more please?

[Sentinel]

Sorry Correction,


Case Number#13115-200 Copyright Infringement aka Common thief and nutcase meglomaniac SKEl.



Have a nice day folks



Sentinel

[60hzxtl]

Welcome DJLegacy2k5,

you are banned, oh wait we don't do that here. . .

[DJLegacy2k5]

I don't do that there...Sorry You can't class me in with the others on that one. Sorry about your Luck...

[60hzxtl]

I don't do that there...Sorry You can't class me in with the others on that one. Sorry about your Luck...

Didn't say you did (throws off sarcasm switch)

The welcome is genuine.

[The_Fire]

OMG OMG OMG

LADIES GRAB YOUR PANTIES, PAUL ISAAC JR. IS IN THE HOUSE!

For those of you who don't know Paul Isaac Jr. he's the fat Donky Kong looking peice of trash that gets ripped by the crowd on 9/11 in the extras on Loose Change.

He then tried to collab with Dylan Avery on some work and he now claims that Dylan screwed him over.

Paul also believes that 9/11 was pulled off by the Rockefellers and was a cover up for a Nuclear Russian Sub....That was proven to not have nukes.

Paul have you tried Low-Carb with your shots of Test and D-bol lately?


Have you tried behaving like an adult lately?



OH BY THE WAY.....
Paul please dont start with the "pushing wigs back, and busting caps" talk that you like to do on the Revere forums...

So your telling us that your fat and out of shape and make loud obnoxious scenes because you were taking part in KEMO? Konstantly Eating Massive Orders? I mean Anyone else get the picture?

Paul you are the smartest guy Ive ever met HAHAHAHAHA "Evidence about the Evidence" huh?


Is there some sort of intelligent message in here or are you just trying to pew people of?



Oh and PS: No autographs please...The Heart Break Kid Is In The Building!

yeah....Right.....Try decaf for a while....

[DJLegacy2k5]

Well hello there :-)

I can't beleive it though, the one and only Paul Isaac Jr. is in the house! OMG! Wow....!

[Kiwiwriter]

I do believe there's a cookie you can delete that allows you to lurk there.

Nice work, Zilla. I think you hold some sort of Ninja record for how fast you got booted out of there!

I wish you computer folks could show me how to track a nutcase over on The History Channel forum who is in his 54th identity of anti-Semitic garbage. He gets banned every day and returns the following day, spouting the same drivel, like he's doing it for the first time ever. It would be pleasant to put a face on this squirrel, and shut him down.

[The_Fire]

Well hello there :-)

I can't beleive it though, the one and only Paul Isaac Jr. is in the house! OMG! Wow....!

You are still not making sense.

[DJLegacy2k5]

Have you tried behaving like an adult lately?




Is there some sort of intelligent message in here or are you just trying to pew people of?



yeah....Right.....Try decaf for a while....

Hey hey hey, maybe if you did some research on Paul Issac Jr...You'd know what I was talking about...

Obviously not...

[The_Fire]

Hey hey hey, maybe if you did some research on Paul Issac Jr...You'd know what I was talking about...

Obviously not...

And character slamming on the first post isn't exactly winning any favours.
Now, try it again: What were the deeper meaning of that post?

[DJLegacy2k5]

Sentinel is Paul Issac Jr. , he get's his ass handed to him on the extras of Loose Change 2nd Edition. Sine then he has been a nutcase and has accually been stalking Dylan Avery. You can find his posts on Revere RAdio's message boards talking about shooting people and killing people and such. He's a nutjob.

[Pardalis]

You are still not making sense.

Maybe it's because I skiped breakfast, but I'm having a hard time making sense of both DJlegacy and Sentinel's posts.

[DJLegacy2k5]

If you don't know who Paul Issac Jr. is than no one wouldn't understand.

[The_Fire]

Sentinel is Paul Issac Jr. , he get's his ass handed to him on the extras of Loose Change 2nd Edition. Sine then he has been a nutcase and has accually been stalking Dylan Avery. You can find his posts on Revere RAdio's message boards talking about shooting people and killing people and such. He's a nutjob.

Better. Now present your evidence. You say there are online links supporting your claim that Sentinel is a stalker and is in real life Paul Issac Jr yes?
Where?
Your claim, your burden of evidence.

[60hzxtl]

And character slamming on the first post isn't exactly winning any favours.
Now, try it again: What were the deeper meaning of that post?


Bravo Fire,

Nice work on the taming of the DJ.

You are quite handy with that leash and muzzle.

Did they get you your Ninja gear for that broom yet?

[The_Fire]

Maybe it's because I skiped breakfast, but I'm having a hard time making sense of both DJlegacy and Sentinel's posts. yeah. Kind of like when my niece got into the sugar.....

ETA: There was a like missing in there. and a space.

[DJLegacy2k5]

You can ask him for yourself if he is Paul Isaac Jr.

I will post the Revere Thread of him talking about shooting and killing people and what not.

[Pardalis]

You can ask him for yourself if he is Paul Issac Jr.

I will post the Revere Thread of him talking about shooting and killing people and what not.

You see, nobody cares who this Isaac person is.

Welcome to the forum BTW. If you have anything relevant to say, let me know.

[The_Fire]

You can ask him for yourself if he is Paul Isaac Jr.

I will post the Revere Thread of him talking about shooting and killing people and what not.

Good. Now you'll notice that you can't post links untill post 15. This means you'll have to remove the http:// and possibly add a space after the . .

[DJLegacy2k5]

Hmm I can't post link till Ive made 15 posts, how cute...

revereradionetwork.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5064&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

HTTP in front

[The_Fire]

Bravo Fire,

Nice work on the taming of the DJ.

You are quite handy with that leash and muzzle.



Well.....I could expand the why's but I think that's better left under the sanctity of the privacy sphere.....:p

Did they get you your Ninja gear for that broom yet?

Nope. Not yet......

[The_Fire]

Hmm I can't post link till Ive made 15 posts, how cute...

http://revereradionetwork.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5064&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

HTTP in front
Fixed the link.

ETA: That link leads to no-where. I'm getting a 404.

ETA2: Found the error, but now I'm getting a login screen. Is it possible for you to post something which DOESN'T require a login?

[Hutch]

First, welcome DJ to the JREF.

Second, it is clear that Sentinal/Paul Issac and you 'know' each other. I have found Sentinal's posts, well, cryptic at best and illucid at worse and am willing to take as a working hypothesis that his posts can be disregarded in terms of the subject at hand.

I would suggest that since you are the "Visitor", that you be allowed to suggest the topic. I would further suggest that you open a new thread(s) on the specific topic, or, like some who proceeded you, we will get bogged down on a myriad of topics, which is not fair for you, Gravy, or any other contributors.

For example, a thread titled, for example, "The WTC 7 was a controlled demolition" will set the boundary and allow the mods to remove off-topic posts (from either side) to a new/different thread. This will keep us on-topic and allow for the accumalation(sic) of information on a specific topic.

So, DJ, what shall we talk about?

[brodski]

Fixed the link. but it asks for a login to view the thread...

[DJLegacy2k5]

Yes Yes it does...So they don't have lurkers...

[Belz...]

I am archiving this here because I feel a banning coming on...

Wrote jenabell about misquoting Sword of Truth earlier and got this reply:

To which I just replied (and thanks for the support Curt C)

I don't think she even read what you wrote, Hutch.

[Sentinel]

Hey Skaliwag,

Did your group bann freespeech ? Are you saying that Enemies of the People of United states shouldn't be shot for open treason?


K.E.M.O= The Art of "Killing Enemy Managed Agents" for treason.

I think people saw it a little different they saw someone stick it to jason the little "I can't Remember the second country Hitler invaded" asswipe jerkoff skel.

You saw as usual the cartoon that Dylan programmed into your empty head.


So go and cry to your mommy and send the cops because I can guaretee to you and the rest of your assclown friends, you'll be in for a painfull reality BOOM.


Sentinel

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

...
I would suggest that since you are the "Visitor", that you be allowed to suggest the topic. I would further suggest that you open a new thread(s) on the specific topic, or, like some who proceeded you, we will get bogged down on a myriad of topics, which is not fair for you, Gravy, or any other contributors.

For example, a thread titled, for example, "The WTC 7 was a controlled demolition" will set the boundary and allow the mods to remove off-topic posts (from either side) to a new/different thread. This will keep us on-topic and allow for the accumalation(sic) of information on a specific topic.

So, DJ, what shall we talk about?

I think a new thread, on a specific topic would be an excellent idea. We can keep this one around for general discussion on the subject.

[Belz...]

Baleeted

[Belz...]

Hmm I can't post link till Ive made 15 posts, how cute...

On the flipside you won't get BANNED before that happens.

[The_Fire]

Hey Skaliwag,

Did your group bann freespeech ? Are you saying that Enemies of the People of United states shouldn't be shot for open treason?


K.E.M.O= The Art of "Killing Enemy Managed Agents" for treason.

I think people saw it a little different they saw someone stick it to jason the little "I can't Remember the second country Hitler invaded" asswipe jerkoff skel.

You saw as usual the cartoon that Dylan programmed into your empty head.


So go and cry to your mommy and send the cops because I can guaretee to you and the rest of your assclown friends, you'll be in for a painfull reality BOOM.


Sentinel

Sentinel & DJLegacy2k5:
Due to the fact that my witchcraft senses are telling me that you both have issues, and for the sake of this thread not ending up in AAH, could you kindly restrain your exchange of "opinions" and "encouraging words of wisdom" targeted at eachother to the PM system?

[DJLegacy2k5]

Hey Skaliwag,

Did your group bann freespeech ? Are you saying that Enemies of the People of United states shouldn't be shot for open treason?


K.E.M.O= The Art of "Killing Enemy Managed Agents" for treason.

I think people saw it a little different they saw someone stick it to jason the little "I can't Remember the second country Hitler invaded" asswipe jerkoff skel.

You saw as usual the cartoon that Dylan programmed into your empty head.


So go and cry to your mommy and send the cops because I can guaretee to you and the rest of your assclown friends, you'll be in for a painfull reality BOOM.


Sentinel


Awww Paul your so cute when your rambling on about nothing...I was involved in 9/11 stuff before Loose Change, monkey. You program in everyone's head that your a nutball when you go onto every forum that the 9/11 people are a part of, and even ones like this, and you mumble about pushing wigs back and shooting people.

Face it man, your just trying to get a little fame off of your fallen brothers, you make me sick.

[The_Fire]

Kindly read post 1928.

[Belz...]

Sentinel & DJLegacy2k5:
Due to the fact that my witchcraft senses are telling me that you both have issues, and for the sake of this thread not ending up in AAH, could you kindly restrain your exchange of "opinions" and "encouraging words of wisdom" targeted at eachother to the PM system?

This thread is dangerously close to kittendom.

[DJLegacy2k5]

I kindly did, and kindly iggnored it like the JREF members that joined the LC boards do.

[Pardalis]

Sentinel, DJ, is it possible to keep this civil and keep your quarrel to yourselves?

Thanks

[Sentinel]

Heres a wonderfull eye-opener :


Snip; "The members of the splitting group also began making visious(sic) and false sccusations about other members of the collective. This event went as far as accusing some members of BEING SECURITY RISKS AND /OR POLICE IMFORMANTS"


Dylan stated that he reproted lgf to the Hatecrimes Branch of the RMCP.

Lisa Guliani Stated that she report Revere Radio Network to the FBI CyberCrimes Division.


IPSO FACTO= SNITCHES


SENTINEL

[The_Fire]

This thread is dangerously close to kittendom.

Which is somewhat a shame.

[The_Fire]

I kindly did, and kindly iggnored it like the JREF members that joined the LC boards do.

Evidence?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

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http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=25744

[DJLegacy2k5]

Can someone translate Donky Kong for me?

[dubfan]

This thread is dangerously close to kittendom.

Here, let's make DJ feel right at home, and post a funny picture.


Edit: replace hotlink with uploaded image

[Belz...]

Which is somewhat a shame.

What, you don't like kittens ? What kind of sicko are you ? ;)

[The_Fire]

Heres a wonderfull eye-opener :


Snip; "The members of the splitting group also began making visious(sic) and false sccusations about other members of the collective. This event went as far as accusing some members of BEING SECURITY RISKS AND /OR POLICE IMFORMANTS"


Dylan stated that he reproted lgf to the Hatecrimes Branch of the RMCP.

Lisa Guliani Stated that she report Revere Radio Network to the FBI CyberCrimes Division.


IPSO FACTO= SNITCHES


SENTINEL

Sentinel, what are the deeper meaning of your post? What relevance does it have to the subject of this thread?
Again: If you have a quarrel with someone, use the PM system.

[DJLegacy2k5]

I dont find "red X's" funny

[Sentinel]

Acknowledged


Sentinel

[The_Fire]

What, you don't like kittens ? What kind of sicko are you ? ;)
Oh no, I like kittens.....Especially with ketchup.....:D

[Belz...]

Oh no, I like kittens.....Especially with ketchup.....:D

Ketchup ?? Kittens are only good with mayo. What kind of sicko ARE you ???

[The_Fire]

Ketchup ?? Kittens are only good with mayo. What kind of sicko ARE you ???

A danish one!:cool:
:D

[DJLegacy2k5]

:rolleyes:

Wow...The higher intelligence on this site is amazing...Cats, puppies, witches, and ninjas.

9/11 Truthers are the crazy ones *cough cough*

[The_Fire]

:rolleyes:

Wow...The higher intelligence on this site is amazing...Cats, puppies, witches, and ninjas.

9/11 Truthers are the crazy ones *cough cough*
Or perhaps it is a cultural thing. Now, what would you like to discuss?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

:rolleyes:

Wow...The higher intelligence on this site is amazing...Cats, puppies, witches, and ninjas.

9/11 Truthers are the crazy ones *cough cough*

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1689933#post1689933
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1689954#post1689954

[Belz...]

:rolleyes:

Wow...The higher intelligence on this site is amazing...Cats, puppies, witches, and ninjas.

9/11 Truthers are the crazy ones *cough cough*

You mean... you NEVER do humour ???

Damn, you must live a very boring life.

And I thought the whole CT was a joke.

ETA: I see you've spotted the smilies...

[Pardalis]

:rolleyes:

Wow...The higher intelligence on this site is amazing...Cats, puppies, witches, and ninjas.

9/11 Truthers are the crazy ones *cough cough*

We're just having a little harmless laugh.

We're in the year 2K6 now, maybe you could update your username ;)

[Mr. Skinny]

:rolleyes:

Wow...The higher intelligence on this site is amazing...Cats, puppies, witches, and ninjas.

9/11 Truthers are the crazy ones *cough cough*
I believe people will respond intelligently if you would like to discuss the topic of this thread, or perhaps start a new thread on a different topic.

The others were just passing the time while you and Sentinal finished fighting.


edited to add a word

[DJLegacy2k5]

Oh Im probably the most random person there is...Im a DJ, I make fun of fat chicks when they try to dance on stage...

Eating cats, and playing Ninja Turtle...kind of doesn;t work as funny anymore.

[The_Fire]

Oh Im probably the most random person there is...Im a DJ, I make fun of fat chicks when they try to dance on stage...

Eating cats, and playing Ninja Turtle...kind of doesn;t work as funny anymore.

I wasn't joking about being a witch.

[Belz...]

Oh Im probably the most random person there is...Im a DJ, I make fun of fat chicks when they try to dance on stage...

Eating cats, and playing Ninja Turtle...kind of doesn;t work as funny anymore.

Only an imbecile would stop having fun at something just because that something was fun when he was a kid.

[Sentinel]

Funny stuff



Breaking news Febuary 5 2006: Justice prevails: Child Porno collector and Denvers imfamous division 5 crossdress dragqueen timothy patrick white was aressted and spent 5 days behind bars. White posted bond and schedualed to apear before court on stalking and threatening charges. Who next of the former FBI Division 5 goons Ted Gunderson, Larry Lawson, Karl Swarz, or VICTOR THORN ?


Bushes Nazi GOONS-Steww Webb



Breaking News August 4 2005 BEWARE: WINGTV Who are these fly by night internet so-called talk show host? They are aligned with Identified conspiritorial nutcases such as Ken Vardon who has been identified previously by steww Webb Having direct ties to FBI Division 5 Larry Lawson and FBI Denver Drag Queen Tim White.



Bushes Nazi GOONS-Steww Webb.



Question, WHo is now promoting LC on their website Activist KIT?
Wingtv, the very people that Dylan stated "hasn't been on the movements goodside lately"


Sentinel

[Johnny Pixels]

Oh Im probably the most random person there is...Im a DJ, I make fun of fat chicks when they try to dance on stage...


How is that random? That's what all idiots do.

[Pardalis]

Besides, I don't think making fun of fat people is particularly intelligent.

[The_Fire]

Nor does it get you that many gigs.

[Mr. Skinny]

*sigh*

Kittens are coming...

[Pardalis]

Funny stuff

Actually no, not funny. I think you're way out of line here.

[XXX]

Ok, this is off to a HORRIBLE start. Pure garbage so far.

All the insults and name calling need to stop, and Setinel needs to be hit with some sort of temporary posting restraining order. After all this DJ man is finally here, let's not waste ths opportunity.

[DJLegacy2k5]

Doesn't get me many gigs?

Wow, Ive been DJing for clubs and radio since I was 15. Ive worked for 2 radio station in Baltimore and done every club in the area at least once. I have two current clubs that I do on the weekends. Along with that I am the youngest player in WSOP history to make 2 final tables at circuit events, as of November.

I mean...I guess Im your average dumb CT chasing kid huh? lmao

[Pardalis]

Doesn't get me many gigs?

Wow, Ive been DJing for clubs and radio since I was 15. Ive worked for 2 radio station in Baltimore and done every club in the area at least once. I have two current clubs that I do on the weekends. Along with that I am the youngest player in WSOP history to make 2 final tables at circuit events, as of November.


Congrats

[The_Fire]

Ok, so you work. My bad.

[Johnny Pixels]

Doesn't get me many gigs?

Wow, Ive been DJing for clubs and radio since I was 15. Ive worked for 2 radio station in Baltimore and done every club in the area at least once. I have two current clubs that I do on the weekends. Along with the I am the youngest player in WSOP history to make 2 final tables at circuit events, as of November.

I mean...I guess Im your average dumb CT chasing kid huh? lmao

Fair enough. I think the general consensus is that you start a thread, on a topic of your choice, and we'll discuss it in there, without name calling, or insulting each other.

[Sentinel]

Wow you must have worked with dylan when he was busing table at TGI.


Truly interesting the amount of conspitial knowedge you have aquired in your long DJing carrer and dylan with all his knowledge in Dishawashing and bussing tables.


truly amazing


Sentinel

[DJLegacy2k5]

I asked a nice cool minded question in the other thread...

[The_Fire]

And I gave you an answer. My stand on critical thinking is not up for debate. Your evidence of Gravy being wrong is.

[milesalpha]

Rather disappointing so far, I wasn't sure what we were going to get but this sure isn't much of a battle.
The JREF people seem to get right into the debate over at LC (before being quickly banned of course), so far all DK has done is trade insults with the incomprehensible Sentinal. Is this it?

[DJLegacy2k5]

Wow you must have worked with dylan when he was busing table at TGI.


Truly interesting the amount of conspitial knowedge you have aquired in your long DJing carrer and dylan with all his knowledge in Dishawashing and bussing tables.


truly amazing


Sentinel

Paul...I would love for you too find some dirt on me. I co started a entertainment company at 16. I already listed some other accomplishments. Along with those I do webdesign, I have had 2 interviews with MTV, I have hosted or been a part of many big name concerts in the Baltimore area. I have never followed a CT or government for that matter until 9/11 in which I found the rediculous story worth looking into.

You have nothing on me Paul, so I would suggest shutting your mouth.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

And I gave you an answer. My stand on critical thinking is not up for debate. Your evidence of Gravy being wrong is.

I suppose someone could start a new thread discussing what makes up critical thinking, or I could just link to here http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/jarrett/talks/LiU/sci_method_2.html

[Sentinel]

I've only placed what already outthere in internet land, long before I came out to play and DJ keep looking for that person in the video.


Sentinel

[Pardalis]

Paul...I would love for you too find some dirt on me. I co started a entertainment company at 16. I already listed some other accomplishments. Along with those I do webdesign, I have had 2 interviews with MTV, I have hosted or been a part of many big name concerts in the Baltimore area. I have never followed a CT or government for that matter until 9/11 in which I found the rediculous story worth looking into.

You have nothing on me Paul, so I would suggest shutting your mouth.

HEY GUYS, TWO WORDS:
"P.M."

[DJLegacy2k5]

If your "critical thinking" is going to lead you away from standard thought then there is no point for the debate. If you can't think a bit creatively, like Gravy did to stretch his facts, then you will never understand anything other than what the close minded people on here do.

[DJLegacy2k5]

I've only placed what already outthere in internet land, long before I came out to play and DJ keep looking for that person in the video.


Sentinel


This whole post doesn't even make sense....

[Johnny Pixels]

If your "critical thinking" is going to lead you away from standard thought then there is no point for the debate. If you can't think a bit creatively, like Gravy did to stretch his facts, then you will never understand anything other than what the close minded people on here do.

Quit stalling

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

If your "critical thinking" is going to lead you away from standard thought then there is no point for the debate. If you can't think a bit creatively, like Gravy did to stretch his facts, then you will never understand anything other than what the close minded people on here do.

So, are you going to present any evidence concerning your assertions about the LC critique, or not?

[The_Fire]

For future reference:
The PM system is located at the top right. It looks like the attached image and can accessed by clicking on the link "private messages".

[DJLegacy2k5]

*does a little dance to stall for time* (since that's obviously what he's doing) Cough Cough....

So how's that weather out there in "bubble" land.

[Belz...]

If your "critical thinking" is going to lead you away from standard thought then there is no point for the debate.

The hell's a "standard thought" ??

If you can't think a bit creatively, like Gravy did to stretch his facts, then you will never understand anything other than what the close minded people on here do.

Please point to any fact-stretching on Gravy's part.

[The_Fire]

If your "critical thinking" is going to lead you away from standard thought then there is no point for the debate. If you can't think a bit creatively, like Gravy did to stretch his facts, then you will never understand anything other than what the close minded people on here do.

You are stalling. You evidence should be able to back your statements in regards to the debunk.
Which evidence do you have?
And I would remind you that there are a difference between creative thinking and living in La-la land.
I would suggest you take a look at that link which were provided in post 1972. Does your evidence comply with those standards? And where can the mentioned evidence be reviewed?

[bob_kark]

This really isn't going very well. Perhaps we should start from scratch. Hello, my name is bob, and you are...?

[Sentinel]

THANK YOU FOR FILLIN OUT THIS FORM

SHOWN BELOW IS YOUR SUBMISSION TO NYC

ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 2000 AT 16:57:38

THIS FORM RESIDE AT


Classification:invitaion

Topic: Emergency Management




Message: I was under the impression that if the mayor were to here that two aux/ cops were involved in assisting the reular police in preventing the death and ijury of hundreds of people in relations to the hijacked bus bomb threat on Madison Ave on 27 July 2000, he might show an interest in it. Sorry If I was wrong in the matter but I've learn an important lesson in this incident, Next time someone threatens terrorism in Manhattan I follow your lead and mind my business.


Thanks for a lesson well taught.


Paul Isaac Jr


Thats how long I've been fighting 9-11, son.



Couldn't post URLs


So was it 15 years old or was it 16 years?

[Mr. Skinny]

This thread is undergoing an uncontrolled demolition.

It's true. :)

[The_Fire]

Sentinel: What is your point? If you have a problem with a specific poster take it to the pm-system.

[60hzxtl]

This thread is undergoing an uncontrolled demolition.

It's true. :)


Kinda makes ya miss geggy doesn't it. . .?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

When can we get some 9/11 CT equivalent of William Dembski to talk to, I'm tired of their version of Kent Hovind.

[Polaris]

Well, hoping we can finally stamp "Busted" (a 'la Mythbusters) on the controlled demo theory:
__________________________________________________ _
Quote from: http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aCuh.ATdfOXc&refer=top_world_news
Buckling Steel

According to Shyam-Sunder, the concave bowing of the steel was seen on the sides of the towers opposite where the planes hit them. At 10:06 a.m. that morning, an officer in a police helicopter reported that ``it's not going to take long before the north tower comes down.'' This was 20 minutes before it collapsed. In another radio transmission at 10:21 a.m., the officer said he saw buckling in the north tower's southern face, Shyam-Sunder said.

The report includes photographs taken from police helicopters showing the bending columns.
___________________________________________


If explosives were used, the Towers wouldn't show signs of Buckling 20 minutes before hand. Can we get further info on it? and pics, if the report is available.

Those were low-explosives. :D

[Polaris]

They'd probably try to blame it on the 'Vacuum Suck' they claim caused WTC7 to fall 'faster than free fall'.

And the existence of the Vacuu-suck was revealed in the Zionist documenary Spaceballs. The Statue of Liberty is really Mega-Maid and the vacuum tube was laid with the intention of being able to suck down two very large buildings in lower Manhattan. The Joooos knew that America would rise to the ascendency after the two World Wars that hadn't happened yet, and they would need a permanent champion defender to preserve the Zionist apartheid state (one which they wanted so bad that they orchestrated a war and killed 6 million of their own to garner support for), and...

ok I can't do it. I can't remain that intentionally nuts for more than 5 minutes, even as a joke.

[hellaeon]

The moon hoax bothers me. None of them acknowledge we send a laser to positioned mirrors on the moon and back to this day. If we never went, how does that work?


http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/ApolloLaser.html


ETA: emphasis.

I did not know this...THAT RULES....

[hellaeon]

One of the more bizarre parts of Loose Change is the (terrific) animated sequence of AA 77 hitting the Pentagon, and it's for just the reason cited above. If you don't believe that AA 77 hit the Pentagon, why would they show it happening? It certainly seems to be undercutting their own argument.

This is something im trying to come to terms with. Some over there believe it, others dont, but they all back each other up. Consistency is not a requirement.

[MarkyX]

Hmm I can't post link till Ive made 15 posts, how cute...


Hey, I had the same thing and I'm on their side bud.

[MarkyX]

OMG OMG OMG

LADIES GRAB YOUR PANTIES, PAUL ISAAC JR. IS IN THE HOUSE!


Really? Sweet.


For those of you who don't know Paul Isaac Jr. he's the fat Donky Kong looking peice of trash that gets ripped by the crowd on 9/11 in the extras on Loose Change.


More like served Dylan's own ass several times, telling you guys to STFU at people grieving at a FUNERAL.

[MarkyX]

I think people saw it a little different they saw someone stick it to jason the little "I can't Remember the second country Hitler invaded" asswipe jerkoff skel.


Yeah, makes me wonder what the hell LC editors were doing. "Hey, lets make our guys look stupid who can't even remember the second country Hitler invaded. That'll show the government..grrr." I know if I had a video of a dumbass supporter, I would cut his ass off from the film.

[MarkyX]

If your "critical thinking" is going to lead you away from standard thought then there is no point for the debate. If you can't think a bit creatively, like Gravy did to stretch his facts, then you will never understand anything other than what the close minded people on here do.

Hey bud, name some of these facts. You're just dancing around the subject. If I wanted to see people dance, I will go to a club.

[hellaeon]

Well, I guess this thread could now be moved to the humur.

almost 200 pages later the CT proof has run out and we are down to insults.
I did wonder how much coincidence the average CTer could post.

[Mr. Skinny]

Kinda makes ya miss geggy doesn't it. . .?
Er...No, not at all, to tell the truth.

[WildCat]

Wow, this thread really dived into the cess pool, didn't it? :boggled:

An interesting thing I saw in the Red Eye (free paper by the Chicago Tribune, kind of a "Trib Lite") today. In the "Hey CTA" column (page 4) Jamilah Wallace writes:
I ride the Blue Line to Forest Park every day, and sometimes in the evening the train hits these certain spots and it feels like a bomb is exploding right beneath you.
Now, which one of you ninjas didn't get the memo that the Blue Line controlled demolition has been postponed?

[realitybites]

Seriously....

DJ? Sentinel?

Y'all need to get yourselves a pair of Rock-Em-Sock-Em robots and settle this little spat of yours the way any other pair of 6 year old boys would...

:catfight: