Has Anyone Seen A Realistice Explanation For Free Fall Of The Towers?

[Christophera]

Raw evidence that they are the "core of the truth movement", please.

What are you going to do, photoshop a picture of a Mohawk pointing at the WTC debris, and call it proof?

I have my ways but that would be allowing you to change the subject. Truthfully. I would be surprised if your heart and mind could go there. You apply some juvinile labeling sytem to it like "woo" and pretend to be on with your life.

[Brainache]

OK Chris, just to step back for a minute from the details of the construction of the WTC, I'd like to talk about your underlying premise for all this.

The Mohawk angle is new to me, so let's see if I've understood what you are trying to tell us here: The world is locked in a struggle of Good V Evil and you alone understand the reality of this eternal war.

From what you have said previously I am led to understand that a secret cabal of mystical hypnotist priest types have been manipulating world events since prehistoric times. They were the ones responsible for Stonehenge and also had some influence in the Roman Empire, ancient Egypt and no doubt assisted the Chinese in building the Great Wall.

Meanwhile in the Americas the native people were part of a different secret mystical tradition in opposition to the Evil European secret mystics.

Some time in the late 15th century these two opposed forces met and after a few centuries of internecine warfare this conflict reached a flashpoint on September eleven two thousand and one.

Somehow the existence of a concrete core in the WTC towers is indicative of all of this back and forth mystical hypnotism and if all of us who don't believe you would just recognise the reality of what you say the world might be saved.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest to you that even if there was a concrete core in the towers, the struggle between Good and Evil will not be resolved on the JREF conspiracy theory sub-forum.

I would suggest to you that the only real way to counter Evil in the world is by doing Good. There is a limit to an individual's capacity to right the wrongs of this world, but a good place to start is in your own life. Try being nice to your neighbours. Try helping old ladies cross the street. Help the homeless, donate to charity or do some volunteer work for the Salvation Army. The only way to reduce the Evil is to add to the Good.

You will never convince people that they are being held in thrall by a global cabal of evil druidic hypnotists, but you might inspire people to good works by leading by example.

Cheers.

[Christophera]

Raw evidence that they are the "core of the truth movement", please.

What are you going to do, photoshop a picture of a Mohawk pointing at the WTC debris, and call it proof?


Raw evidence that they are the "core of the truth movement", please.

What are you going to do, photoshop a picture of a Mohawk pointing at the WTC debris, and call it proof?


I have my ways but that would be allowing you to change the subject. Truthfully. I would be surprised if your heart and mind could go there. You apply some juvinile labeling system to it like "woo" and pretend to be on with your life.

[TheFeds]

I have my ways but that would be allowing you to change the subject. Truthfully. I would be surprised if your heart and mind could go there. You apply some juvinile labeling sytem to it like "woo" and pretend to be on with your life.Who said "woo"? Not me. Who applied any labelling system whatsoever? Not me. So what are you talking about? What raw evidence exists, that the Mohawks form the core of some "truth movement"?

And if you prefer to stay on topic, you should probably indicate whether or not you now understand why the use of low-resolution photographs of objects that are covered in dust and smoke is not sufficient evidence.

And then, you should probably explain why the enlarged version of your sunrise picture doesn't show the details that you claimed it did.

And after that, take some of Brainache's advice.

[uruk]

If it was easy to make a fantasy fit a bunch of pictures then you would have images of steel core columns at elevations above the ground, but, ......... you don't even have that.

I prove there are no steel core columns with one picture and a person with some experience with heavy steel and concrete demolition would easily identify a concrete core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).

no steel colums? What are these?

[Christophera]

below is an image of the scene captured at around the same time from a slightly different angle. you may see (from the higher resolution detail arrowed) that there is NO EVIDENCE of 3" rebar or indeed any of christopheras mythical concrete core. this evidence has been put before christophera previously. he chose to ignore it. he exercises his "get-out" clause on any evidence that counters his tired absurdly idiotic theories.
one has to ask also, if this is 3" rebar as he asserts, why wasn't it destoyed by the C4 coating? more mohawk skull-duggery? those pesky indiginents huh? wait till rumsfeld and connie get holda that one...........


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8748453c042018e89.jpg

BV

From what I know it was those that dug up the Indians skulls that were the problem.

That is the corner of the framed wall of the "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg) which were actually called interior box columns. They were fastened to the concrete core, the concrete blew up, ............... don't cry.

[Christophera]

no steel colums? What are these?



no steel colums? What are these?


http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3700&d=1161563839


OMG!! Perimeter core columns.

Nobody would of ever thought of that. You can join jackx from Loose Change (http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/1949/bscap0002textcw6.jpg) and have the perimeter core column club. Hit your heads together, you have fun and stuff.... sheeesh for that that matter you might already be the same head as jackx.


Just so witchever head you are, is not too terribly confused, I'll show you the corrected version that reveals the location of the core wal footing as between the interior box columns and the elevator pits.

FOOTINGS OF THE CORE WALL (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev.pits.core.footing.CORR.jpg)

homer,
I've warned you about the brain damage from hitting your head repeatedly. Well, ........ its gotten very serious, very serious indeed.

However, there is a bright side. You are now the champion of the perimeter core club.


Congratulations homer!

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3700&d=1161563839

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3703&d=1161563888

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3704&d=1161563968

ON EDIT:
All those things you call "steel core columns" are actually elevator guide rails. Much smaller and can be seen here in the same basic proportions inside the ring of "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS". (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg)

(This post dedicated to Oliver in the spirit of elaborate flames)

[Bell]

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3700&d=1161563839

<snip redundant>

homer,
I've warned you about the brain damage from hitting your head repeatedly. Well, ........ its gotten very serious, very serious indeed.

<snip more redundant>

:dl:

Christophera warning Uruk about braindamage. Classic! Chris, little boy, start by taking care of your own brain. See a doctor. Your brain would appreciate that.

[Christophera]

If it was a controlled demolition, wouldn't the cores be destroyed?

The plural use of core is just not fitting. Each tower had one core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif) structure which was a cast reinforced concrete tube.


Cold war self destruct technology using C4 plastic coating was applied in an engineered thickness located exactly in the center and perfectly distributed in precise proportions accordingly to explosive containment value of the concrete. It detonated leaving the steel. Steel is very hard to cut with explosives. Very efficient. Grinds up everything. Falls iinstantly.

Below is a combination of two different explosive circuits. The floors went off first then the core, floors at 75 milliseconds and core at 300 ms, 4 floors then 40 feet of core all the way down.

There were aberration's that left elements standing (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg) when explosive were exposed to air and oxidization that left elements standing after asymetrical delayed demolitions.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3706&stc=1&d=1161565923

[Christophera]

Who said "woo"? Not me. Who applied any labelling system whatsoever? Not me. So what are you talking about? What raw evidence exists, that the Mohawks form the core of some "truth movement"?

And if you prefer to stay on topic, you should probably indicate whether or not you now understand why the use of low-resolution photographs of objects that are covered in dust and smoke is not sufficient evidence.

And then, you should probably explain why the enlarged version of your sunrise picture doesn't show the details that you claimed it did.

And after that, take some of Brainache's advice.

I've shown the towers had different hallway schemes and that there is a better explanation for all the evidence considered for concrete core that there is for steel which is never seen in the core.

[Garb]

The plural use of core is just not fitting. Each tower had one core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif) structure which was a cast reinforced concrete tube.


Cold war self destruct technology using C4 plastic coating was applied in an engineered thickness located exactly in the center and perfectly distributed in precise proportions accordingly to explosive containment value of the concrete. It detonated leaving the steel. Steel is very hard to cut with explosives. Very efficient. Grinds up everything. Falls iinstantly.

Below is a combination of two different explosive circuits. The floors went off first then the core, floors at 75 milliseconds and core at 300 ms, 4 floors then 40 feet of core all the way down.

There were aberration's that left elements standing (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg) when explosive were exposed to air and oxidization that left elements standing after asymetrical delayed demolitions.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3706&stc=1&d=1161565923

Stop showing that same picture. It doesn't prove there was an explosion.

[Brainache]

Please stop Chris.

MY BRAIN HURTS

[Christophera]

:dl:

Christophera warning Uruk about braindamage. Classic! Chris, little boy, start by taking care of your own brain. See a doctor. Your brain would appreciate that.

Perimeter core column, that is ripe.

Duh, ....... the core is inside, .......... and, ........... duh the perimeter is on the outside, ....... uh, so lets call it perimeter core****

Right, now we freakin' wonder about you.

And,......... homer has done this a number of times before. I must say his photoshopping has improved.

[Christophera]

Please stop Chris.

MY BRAIN HURTS

When you awaken you will remember everthing & being an mkultra victim is no picnic when the concrete core (http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html) shows up.

[Christophera]

Stop showing that same picture. It doesn't prove there was an explosion. (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg)

Correct!

It proves there was rebar. The below image proves there was an explosion.

[Garb]

Correct!

It proves there was rebar. The below image proves there was an explosion.

Incorrect!!!

I see not one explosion. I see dust going everywhere.

[Brainache]

When you awaken you will remember everthing & being an mkultra victim is no picnic when the concrete core (http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html) shows up.

Yeah worse than ants I guess.

So MKultra was busy all over the world then was it? or did they just pick me out of the several million Aussie kids in the late sixties?

[Bell]

You are wrong, Chris!

[uruk]

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3700&d=1161563839


ON EDIT:
All those things you call "steel core columns" are actually elevator guide rails. Much smaller and can be seen here in the same basic proportions inside the ring of "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS". (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg)

(This post dedicated to Oliver in the spirit of elaborate flames)

What are you an idiot? Those are way too huge for elevator guide rails. I have already showed you what elevator guide rails look like. The elevators are suspended from a cable system. I even showed you the cable winchs. There is no need for the elevator guide rails to be that big. Those are support columns.
Here are the pictures of elevator gude rails:
http://www.suffolk.edu/sawlib/constr...h-16-2006.html

http://www.suffolk.edu/sawlib/constr...h-23-2006.html

http://chinahaixun.en.alibaba.com/pr...s/showimg.html

http://www.dir.ca.gov/Images/t8img/3030-1.gif

Are you actually that stupid or are you being purposefully obtuse?

[uruk]

Perimeter core column, that is ripe.

Duh, ....... the core is inside, .......... and, ........... duh the perimeter is on the outside, ....... uh, so lets call it perimeter core****

Right, now we freakin' wonder about you.

And,......... homer has done this a number of times before. I must say his photoshopping has improved.

More of your igorance. The core has been shown time and time again to composed of steel columns.

[uruk]

below is an image of the scene captured at around the same time from a slightly different angle. you may see (from the higher resolution detail arrowed) that there is NO EVIDENCE of 3" rebar or indeed any of christopheras mythical concrete core. this evidence has been put before christophera previously. he chose to ignore it. he exercises his "get-out" clause on any evidence that counters his tired absurdly idiotic theories.
one has to ask also, if this is 3" rebar as he asserts, why wasn't it destoyed by the C4 coating? more mohawk skull-duggery? those pesky indiginents huh? wait till rumsfeld and connie get holda that one...........


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8748453c042018e89.jpg

BV
compared to remaining core image

[Oliver]

It does not mahahahahtter... In the end you lose...



:D

Added: All of you who discuss with a concrete core. ;)

[Brainache]

I don't think Chris's problem is one of stupidity or dishonesty, I think his problem is one of delusion.
He has stated that the movie "A beautiful mind" was created by Hollywood for the sole purpose of confusing him.

[uruk]

Oh, and Chris. You keep avoiding this

[Bell]

I don't think Chris's problem is one of stupidity or dishonesty, I think his problem is one of delusion.
He has stated that the movie "A beautiful mind" was created by Hollywood for the sole purpose of confusing him.

His problem is
22

[Christophera]

More of your igorance. The core has been shown time and time again to composed of steel columns.

The steel inside the core is too small for core columns proportionately and how are they connected?

Oh, btw, here is an image of concrete blowing up (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg).

[Christophera]

Incorrect!!!

I see not one explosion. I see dust going everywhere.

Okay, sudden vision problem? Then try this one, we have lots, concrete blowing up (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg)

[Christophera]

I don't think Chris's problem is one of stupidity or dishonesty, I think his problem is one of delusion.
He has stated that the movie "A beautiful mind" was created by Hollywood for the sole purpose of confusing him.

Changing the subject won't spare you in your confused state.

Try this wonderful image of concrete blowing up (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg)

[Bell]

You are wrong, Chris.

[Brainache]

Changing the subject won't spare you in your confused state.

Try this wonderful image of concrete blowing up (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg)

I'm not changing the subject Chris. You just don't understand that the subject in this thread is you. It isn't about cocrete versus steel, it's about delusion versus reality.

The fact that you can't see your own delusions has been the subject for at least the last 60 pages. It's a shame you can't see that because then you might want to do something about it, like , you know, get help.

[TheFeds]

Where are your calculations of photographic resolution, Christophera?

Where are your highlighted images of the hallways?

Where's your explanation of the significance of Mohawks?

Where is your proof that NIST committed fraud?

Without these things, nobody will ever believe you. Not even the crazies on the LC forum believed you. No court would believe you. No newspaper would believe you. Your therapist wouldn't even bother with the pretense of believing you.

In short, without these things, your claims amount to nothing, because you're unable to go beyond your shallow talking points ("concrete core", "Mohawks", "3" rebar", etc.). You're all talk, and no substance. And without substance (indeed without even enough substance to convince the wackos on LC of anything), you will forever be the object of ridicule.

And everything you post here is going to be laughed at, until the day that you provide more than tiny pictures, and idle speculation. Learn to do research, learn to do calculations, and only then will people stop laughing at you. Failing that, you'll die a pariah, unknown but for your penchant for making things up, but without enough sense to even fabricate a suitable backstory.

No number of benevolent Mohawks can save you from the fate that you create for yourself. So either shape up, or live out your days as a curiosity; a thing at which small children poke sticks and throw stones, and about which adults discuss among themselves to interject levity into an otherwise serious topic.

[Christophera]

You are wrong, Chris!

Your statement is incongruent with the facts put forth. From your side there has been zero fact supporting the steel core, from mine is raw evidence showing that NO steel core columns existed, and there is significant evidence for those having the expertise to properly identify structural steel and concrete of varying damage, to absolutely identify concrete.

Get real, you can't even find a bogus site to link to that "says" it uses raw evidence of the steel core columns to substantiate their existence. Nobody is stupid enough to try and use the images together.

The selectively utilized construction photos and (3) plans must be kept completely separate from images showing the core area during the demo because it will be obvious that none are there.

[Christophera]

Without these things, nobody will ever believe you.

Wow, quite the "over generalization", working to "minimize" or cognitively distort the facts,

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

[Christophera]

I'm not changing the subject Chris. You just don't understand that the subject in this thread is you. It isn't about cocrete versus steel, it's about delusion versus reality.


That is obviously what you want it to be about. The reality is that it is about explaining rates of fall that approach free fall speeds. Concrete can be fractured to fall instantly, steel cannot.


The fact that you can't see your own delusions has been the subject for at least the last 60 pages. It's a shame you can't see that because then you might want to do something about it, like , you know, get help.

All I can say to you is GET EVIDENCE, or be insincere.

[Christophera]

Yeah worse than ants I guess.

So MKultra was busy all over the world then was it? or did they just pick me out of the several million Aussie kids in the late sixties?

Do we know what was in the 250,000 documents concerning mkultra destroyed in 1972 by the CIA?

No.

You could be in there. You act like it and if they contacted 100 aussie kids, that would fit well with what we have now.

[hellaeon]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/09/ani_wombat_gallery__550x393.jpg

[Christophera]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/09/ani_wombat_gallery__550x393.jpg

damm, hope that thing doesn't weigh over 750 pounds.

does it eat steel? (http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html)

[Brainache]

Looks like they got to Hellaeon and his wombat as well. Damn those CIA druid hypnotists! Damn them all to heck!

[Christophera]

Looks like they got to Hellaeon and his wombat as well. Damn those CIA druid hypnotists! Damn them all to heck!

Obviously, the CIA got to the kid then the kid hypnotised the wombat.

So that is what they did with the Druids, banished them down under.

[Powa]

Do we know what was in the 250,000 documents concerning mkultra destroyed in 1972 by the CIA?

No.

You could be in there. You act like it and if they contacted 100 aussie kids, that would fit well with what we have now.
The world population in the 70s (at the time the MKultra documents were destroyed) was around 4 billion. In comparison, 250,000 documents is a puny number. So, how can you claim that everybody was hypnotized? Do you have an estimate on how much time it would take to hypnotize the whole world? How many agents it would take? And what about people born after MKultra? I was born later. How was I hypnotized? Does this still happen today? At what age are children hypnotized? How? Where?

[Oliver]

lose. :D

[Christophera]

The world population in the 70s (at the time the MKultra documents were destroyed) was around 4 billion. In comparison, 250,000 documents is a puny number. So, how can you claim that everybody was hypnotized? Do you have an estimate on how much time it would take to hypnotize the whole world? How many agents it would take? And what about people born after MKultra? I was born later. How was I hypnotized? Does this still happen today? At what age are children hypnotized? How? Where?

It is known that 150,000 Americans were influenced in some way psychologically and they were very likely not aware of it. The Church commission identified that many.

And why would that not be enough to make a nonsense argument run for 130+ pages.

[Powa]

It is known that 150,000 Americans were influenced in some way psychologically and they were very likely not aware of it. The Church commission identified that many.

And why would that not be enough to make a nonsense argument run for 130+ pages.
If only 150,000 Americans were influenced, how do you explain the fact that NO ONE believes you? American or otherwise. The number of "influenced" people is insignificant compared to world's population. Are you claiming that only the "influenced" Americans post here? Think hard about that one. It would seem that the reason for no one seeing your concrete core must lie elsewhere. Discuss.

[Brainache]

It is known that 150,000 Americans were influenced in some way psychologically and they were very likely not aware of it. The Church commission identified that many.

And why would that not be enough to make a nonsense argument run for 130+ pages.

So Chris is this the unveiling of your performance art project?

Was it a test to see just how long you could keep it up?

[Gravy]

Your statement is incongruent with the facts put forth. From your side there has been zero fact supporting the steel core, from mine is raw evidence showing that NO steel core columns existed, and there is significant evidence for those having the expertise to properly identify structural steel and concrete of varying damage, to absolutely identify concrete.

No steel columns are seen inside the core but a massive concrete block is seen.

Ahem.


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790453c68cab4cea.jpg

Chris, when will you be seeking the mental health care you need?

[GlennB]

Chris you haven't explained yet what happened to the approx 1.5 million tonnes of concrete that these 2 cores would have contained.

Christophera ... these cores you propose would be approx 25m x 40m x 400m in volume, = 400,000 cubic metres.

Allowing 25% for stairways, lift shafts etc that's 300,000 cubic metres of concrete per tower.

At 2.4 tonnes per cubic metre that makes 720,000 tonnes of concrete per tower, i.e. approx 1.5 million tonnes of demolished concrete in total for two buildings.

Given that it was held together (according to your theory) by 6" rebar, what happened to 1.5 million tonnes of reinforced concrete at Ground Zero? It simply isn't there in the photos. That much concrete would make a pile about 100m high, even without all the steel.

[Powa]

Chris you haven't explained yet what happened to the approx 1.5 million tonnes of concrete that these 2 cores would have contained.
It was totally pulverized and blown away by wind. Duh. :rolleyes:

[Belz...]

I gotta know - how did Mohawks get involved?

Christopher Columbus.

[bonavada]

hey chris take a look at this:-
i've juxtaposed your "raw evidence" with a picture taken of the same structure from a slightly different angle. concentrate on the highlighted areas and the zoomed detail on my right pic. notice anything? this pic shows NO EVIDENCE of a concrete core, what you have claimed (in the pic on the left) to be a 17' concrete block looks like suspiciously some kind of sheet material from this angle (possibly sheetrock?)
can you explain this? until you can it just seems your "raw evidence" is WRONG ERRONEOUS MISLEADING FALLACIOUS (insert suitable adjective here)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8748453caa3f423fb.jpg

BV

[Belz...]

The important factor is that one tower has 2 hallways and the other has one..

Evidence ?

The image of the proof.top of the tower undergoing a high speed series of detonations (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corefacesexploding.jpg) is proof NIST is a fraudulent study.

Except we don't see any detonations in that picture.

I accept [strike]raw[strike] christophera's evidence only and you have produced none whatsoever to prove your assertions.

Fixed it.

No calculations needed or accepted. An image of the steel core columns in the core area protruding as the building comes down will suffice..

Of course. Calculations can't be reinterpreted.

You say a pixel is 3 feet wide, How can that be when a 2 foot wide column is visible (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/media/56016/site1074.jpg) and the obvious fine vertical elements (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg)which I know to be a hundred or so high tensile steel rebars 3 inches in diameter is also visisble?

Because your last sentence is circular. You "know" it's rebar from that picture, and are using that fact to SUPPORT THE PICTURE as proving your case.

The rebar is so small it does disappear on the right side. The images prove you wrong and you have never, nor has anyone, provided an explanation for the many fine vertical elements.

We don't see "many fine" elements. We see a fuzzy picture from which nothing can be determined.

I am so sorry. I really should pay more attention to the spelling in my posts. I'm so ashamed. How can I apologize?

By beign more careful. Reading badly worded posts prevents me from seeing the logical errors contained therein.

The below image shows the demo.

Contradiction, again. If that image shows concrete from the core beign pulverised, how can you say that the core was detonated AFTER the rest of the building ?

Sorry, I only see smoke. I see no explosions, of all videos I saw I didn't hear explosions either.

So we are dealing with silent, invisible charges here? Dirty work is obviously afoot.

Thes professional public safety personel did.

Interesting how you ignore his claim that he doesn't SEE explosions and instead focus on the hearing...

Where is the building in the collapsed part? I only see concrete particulate and dust.

That's because the building is really far away and things that are far appear smaller.

That is the corner of the framed wall of the "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" which were actually called interior box columns. They were fastened to the concrete core, the concrete blew up, ............... don't cry.

"Don't cry" is your equivalent of "I have spoken, none may speak, now."

[Oliver]

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[Belz...]

I've shown the towers had different hallway schemes and that there is a better explanation for all the evidence considered for concrete core that there is for steel which is never seen in the core.

Shown ?

And you might want to check those diagrams again. There WERE steel columns within the core and others in the perimeter.

The below image proves there was an explosion.

It might help me if you told us HOW it proves there was an explosion.

concrete blowing up

Again, how do you know ?

It is known that 150,000 Americans were influenced in some way psychologically and they were very likely not aware of it.

Known ?

The steel inside the core is too small for core columns proportionately and how are they connected?

We see pretty well how they were connected in the picture. Seems you're not so good with CLEAR pictures as you are with bad ones.

[Belz...]

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Oliver, if you have nothing to say, then please say nothing. Spamming threads with smileys and music and other nonsense doesn't help us, no matter how frustrating chris can get, and it annoys the hell out of me. Either debate or leave, please.

[Belz...]

Are you actually that stupid or are you being purposefully obtuse?

Well, chris is the one who looked at a diagram of what an elevator system looks like, saw some yellow background and proclaimed that THAT was the concrete core, though it was quickly shown to him that it wasn't a diagram from the WTC...

[Oliver]

Oliver, if you have nothing to say, then please say nothing. Spamming threads with smileys and music and other nonsense doesn't help us, no matter how frustrating chris can get, and it annoys the hell out of me. Either debate or leave, please.

Okay, since christophera has nothing to say i leave with him. ;)

[Oliver]

I´m not kidding. If he leaves with me i will leave the thread also known as "the thread that says nothing".

If the admins make it a sticky one it´s easy to me to ignore it like the other sticky threads that don´t jump up and down all the time in front of my nose telling me: "Here i am - the guy that laughs at you and your "i can´t hear" evidence".

[bonavada]

I gotta know - how did Mohawks get involved?
it's been a long old haul but here goes..............
chris claims to have interviewed a mohawk ironworker who helped construct the towers (who btw seems to have been working there at least 3 years before constuction of the towers began). anyway, according to our chris, this windwalking fellow was very reticent about the whole deal. becoming terrified when chris even hinted at a concrete core. it seems the steel workers were sent packing for extended periods while special NYPA operatives painted a special coating onto the rebar supposedly used in the "concrete core". these mohawks apparently fear for their lives if they blab about anything to do with the "core". but strangely this same terrified individual must have told him that mohawks sabotaged the work of the secret rebar police. this is chris' explanation of why some of the rebar didn't detonate during the collapse.

RAW IMAGE ALERT:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8748453cb32ce9391.jpg
Big Chief Christophera...him say C4rebar good. kill um buffalo mighty quick......


BV

[alexg]

it's been a long old haul but here goes..............
chris claims to have interviewed a mohawk ironworker who helped construct the towers (who btw seems to have been working there at least 3 years before constuction of the towers began). anyway, according to our chris, this windwalking fellow was very reticent about the whole deal. becoming terrified when chris even hinted at a concrete core. it seems the steel workers were sent packing for extended periods while special NYPA operatives painted a special coating onto the rebar supposedly used in the "concrete core". these mohawks apparently fear for their lives if they blab about anything to do with the "core". but strangely this same terrified individual must have told him that mohawks sabotaged the work of the secret rebar police. this is chris' explanation of why some of the rebar didn't detonate during the collapse.

RAW IMAGE ALERT:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8748453cb32ce9391.jpg
Big Chief Christophera...him say C4rebar good. kill um buffalo mighty quick......


BV

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11835453cc15528853.jpgI pity you Chris!

Why not just say you have a Martian in your bedroom sir?

[uruk]

The steel inside the core is too small for core columns proportionately and how are they connected?

Oh, btw, here is an image of concrete blowing up (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg).

The steel inside the core is to support the wieght of the service floors, stairwells, elevator winches and shafts, etc. The core box cloumns in conjunction with the exterior steel facade cloumns supported the office space floors and the building itself. Thats what they meant by a "tube-within-a-tube" design. The steel coumns that are inside the core are embedded in the ground just like the box columns the are also braced with each other and to the box columns.

[bonavada]

.........................ISN'T IT?


The Paranoid Song
(c) 2005 Brian Madison

Hurricanes gettin' stronger, insurgency's lastin' longer
Than anyone in power would have guessed
Fascist muslims and jews and the SARS and bird flus
It's no wonder that I'm so depressed
It's so scary out there, 'cause we haven't a prayer
So I guess I'm going to flee
I'll be locked up inside, yes I'm going to hide
But you'll know right where to find me

I'll be under the bed with a high-powered handgun
And a bottle of gin
A pot on my head and a loaf of white bread and some
Low-salt Spam in a tin
You can scream, you can shout, but I won't come out
'Cause I know that I just can't win
I'll be under the bed with a high-powered handgun
And a bottle of gin

I wish I'd become that big comic book hero
Like I wanted to be
Seems like we're all headin' downhill much faster
Since we lost HST
When I venture outdoors I try not to make eye contact
I just stare at my shoes
It's gotten so bad I need a full body condom
Just for watching the news

I'll be under the bed with a high-powered handgun
And a bottle of gin
A pot on my head and a loaf of white bread and some
Low-salt Spam in a tin
You can scream, you can shout, but I won't come out
'Cause I know that I just can't win
I'll be under the bed with a high-powered handgun
And a bottle of gin

I'll whimper and cry while I'm surfin' the web as I
Try to get to the truth
As I scrub with Palmolive would you bring me some olives
And a little vermouth
Global warming, peak oil, and volcanoes boil
It makes me feel sick in my gut
And I'll sob to my pets as the sun slowly sets
"Was this a great planet, or what?"

I'll be under the bed with a high-powered handgun
And a bottle of gin
A pot on my head and a loaf of white bread and some
Low-salt Spam in a tin
You can scream, you can shout, but I won't come out
But I guess that you can come in
I'll be under the bed with a high-powered handgun
And a bottle of gin
We'll be under the bed with a high-powered handgun
And a bottle of gin


BV

[Bell]

Your statement is incongruent with the facts put forth. From your side there has been zero fact supporting the steel core, from mine is raw evidence showing that NO steel core columns existed, and there is significant evidence for those having the expertise to properly identify structural steel and concrete of varying damage, to absolutely identify concrete.

Get real, you can't even find a bogus site to link to that "says" it uses raw evidence of the steel core columns to substantiate their existence. Nobody is stupid enough to try and use the images together.

The selectively utilized construction photos and (3) plans must be kept completely separate from images showing the core area during the demo because it will be obvious that none are there.

Your observations are disillusional to say the least. We have shown you a dozen of photo's with steel core columns, more steel core columns and hella lot steel core columns. You have shown us NO evidence that CONCLUSIVLY PROOFS the cores where made of concrete. The more evidence we show you, the wackier your theories get. Concrete poored some floors below the highest point reached by the building at the moment? Delayed explosives? What next? Maybe the 20 Dollar bill which depicts the attacks?

You have NO idea what RAW evidence* means. It isn't a small blurry picture, it isn't a wrongly drawn diagram published by the BBC the day after 9/11. It isn't a bogus documentary nobody but you saw. RAW evidence, get real man. The only bogus site I find that claims 'RAW' evidence, is here (http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html). It is so stupid, it's funny.

More funny (http://truthasaur.com/my_22/my22two.html).

And 3" rebar on 4' centering? Coated with C4, using Cold War self destruction systems? We're not living in Ian Flemming's world, you know?

Christ, Chris. Either get help, or stop this performing art. It is getting stale.

* Is RAW evidence even a real expresion?

[uruk]

Okay, sudden vision problem? Then try this one, we have lots, concrete blowing up (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg)

That's dust, fiber glass, shattered sheet rock, insulation and concrete coming down.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/
The concrete and other material was reduced to dust and smaller particles not by explosive but by siesmic force that are caused by stressed and failing steel. Not ment the forces caused by colliding materials.
http://www.ndt.net/article/v07n09/09/09.htm

if you were to look at the video rather than a still image you would notice that the material is being blown sideways by the air being pushed aside by the falling debris and then downward by gravity+momentum.
The dust trails near the center of the building is being drawn down by the vacum caused by the debris collapsing near the core thus giving the trails an downward arc near the center.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVDaAufKnLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO2cQOC7hxY

notice in the videos how the center sucks down and causes the dust trails to appear to have an upward arc

[Powa]

More funny (http://truthasaur.com/my_22/my22two.html).
Holy *beep*! Chris, your crazy is really branching out, isn't it?

* Is RAW evidence even a real expresion?
Yes, but I'm yet to see Christopher's definition. He says he explained it but I must have missed it.

[Bell]

Yes, but I'm yet to see Christopher's definition. He says he explained it but I must have missed it.

Could you spare me a minute? It's somewhere in this thread. I'll look it up.

[JollyRoger]

I believer the Idea behind a conspiracy is to put the truth out their and then disprove it from another direction.

[Powa]

Could you spare me a minute? It's somewhere in this thread. I'll look it up.
Maybe it's on page 22?

[Arus808]

If this is not raw evidence, what is?
I already explained to you what raw evidence is.

If that is not a 17 x 30 foot block of concrete what is it?

Not anything you are claiming them to be, because yOU can't determine any size in that heavily compressed and edited image.

[Bell]

Maybe it's on page 22?



Hmmm... let's see. Here?

There is [/url]and it is inside the outer steel framework. It is ripping the framework apart after the interior box columns are cut (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/.site1106.jpg). The plumes of concrete debri go out over the floors after the floors detonate, and hide the floors below detonating. Except in the linked case of premature detonations (http://perso.club-internet.fr/mouv4x8/11Sept01/A0069b_3_towerexplo1_explosion_below.jpg)

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1233383

within the scheme of the delays and paths of the detonation circuits.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1232703

Or here?

Oxford encyclopedia of Technology and Inovation that was published in 1992 (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/oxfordarchcore.jpg)

Here?

Sure I've looked at them and I've told you the core is below the top of the tower by 7 floors. I've told you that light passes through the hallways.

How come the multiple steel columns are not silhouetted? If such existed there would be a phase where one could look through the floors and see them in the core area.

The Concrete cores had hallways, WTC 2 more than 1. WTC 1 was hard to rent out because access thru the core was so bad.

Still not one image of the supposed steel core columns from the demolition at some elevation, like here. (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg)

Here?

Perhaps you should take a course in disinformation. Try misrepresenting images such as Gravey does, more effective.

More here.

This


Does not consitutute "addressing" an image (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg) which has an absolutely distinct quality in the realm of construction.

How's 'bout here?

Ya' seen lots of demo videos and many dynamite/detcord blasts. Ya' they make smoke.

Your soul will smoke in hell if you keep supporting lies that murders hide behind.

Now, it must be here?

My evidence disqualifies me, I'm of the lowly "truth" (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) crowd and use facts with reason.

Oh, worst of all I do it because it will protect life, our rights, our freedoms, our liberty and pursuit of happiness.

Do you know the GREATER meaning of free speech quack?

Damn!

Check the delays and paths section of my page,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1232703

i understand delay systems for demolition and how to control the descent of a structure, generally. Using videos, still and eyewitness testimony from firefighters (http://www.letsroll911.org/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg) and others I am able to fit the WTC event together with great consistency.

Here is an email I received from a demo contractor of 30 years experience.


Subject:*
deception achieved
Date:*
Wed, 24 May 2006 22:43:27 -0700

Awesome work, very well presented with great links. I am a demolition contractor for 30 years and it all fits and always believed this was the case.Now there needs to be the rest of the story.

An eyewitness describes explosions in the basement.

PHILLIP MORELLI
[url]http://www.gallerize.com/153%20WINDY%20TOWERS%20OF%209-11%20Four-Dateien/image001.jpg

Construction worker in the WTC Phillip Morelli (37 years old on 9-11-1) describes being thrown to the ground by two explosions while in the fourth subbasement of the North Tower.* The first, which threw him to the ground and seemed to coincide with the plane crash, was followed by a larger blast that again threw him to the ground and this time blew out walls.* He then made his way to the South Tower and was in the subbasement there when the second plane hit, again associated with a powerful underground blast.* This is one of a series of* interviews with WTC survivors done by NY1 News:** ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html
(source

Here?

The WTC towers had a aluminum facia over the steel perimeter box columns.

I did not scan that. seatnineb from democraticunderground did. He found it in the UK. I know the towers core was concrete, why should I doubt it or be reluctant to use even though it is not the best documention?

I have plenty of other evidence to show that steel core columns did not exist and some of it show the core or parts of it. There is theconcrete shear wall (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg) Or the Top of WTC 2 core falls onto WTC 3 (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.gif). Of course if you do not know steel and concrete construction this information may not be of much use to you. Perhasp you could gain an education or consult with a contractor/engineer generally about the appearance of steel and concrete during collapse and other conditions.

It's gotta be here!

I've edited the post to make it clearer.

Nope. Nope, it's not on page 22. I'll continue looking.

[Oliver]

Is this christopheras trash?

http://truthasaur.com/index.html

[Powa]

Nope. Nope, it's not on page 22. I'll continue looking.
But, but... 22 is a significant number for Chris! Must be that damn disinfos! They constantly edit this thread to make Chris appear crazy. Damn, they're good!

[Powa]

Is this christopheras trash?

http://truthasaur.com/index.html
Yep. That site makes the idea of concrete core seem almost reasonable in comparison.

And as a graphics designer I must protest the... *shudders* "design" of that site.

[Bell]

But, but... 22 is a significant number for Chris! Must be that damn disinfos! They constantly edit this thread to make Chris appear crazy. Damn, they're good!

*slap* I missed that 22 reference :D

It could then also be page 21 or 23 (just incase the receipe doesn't has the number 22 on it). Or maybe his 21st, 22nd or 23rd post? Maybe a post made on the 21st, 22nd or 23rd of the month? At 22:23? A postnumber with 21, 22 or 23 in it?

So many places to look, so little time.

[Oliver]

Yep. That site makes the idea of concrete core seem almost reasonable in comparison.

And as a graphics designer I must protest the... *shudders* "design" of that site.

Wich design? :D Why are you talking to him anyway? Self destruction? :confused:

[Powa]

Wich design? :D
I'll have nightmares about it tonight. I just know it. Even Creationists must, after seeing that gastly site, admit that it was untouched by Inteligent Design.

Why are you talking to him anyway?
I'm giving him rope to hang himself.

Self destruction? :confused:
I'm destroying his theories by controlled demolitions. It's fun. When it stops being fun I'll go beat up a bum or something.

[Christophera]

Shown ?
And you might want to check those diagrams again. There WERE steel columns within the core and others in the perimeter.

Diagrams? Check them? Against what? We already know they do not verify when compared to iages of the demo.


We see pretty well how they were connected in the picture. Seems you're not so good with CLEAR pictures as you are with bad ones.

Produce the picture and describe how they are connected if this is the case.

[Christophera]

Not anything you are claiming them to be, because yOU can't determine any size in that heavily compressed and edited image.

Wrong, theimage (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) is plenty clear.

Of course you can determine size. Simply use the interior box column for scale. It is 52 inches wide.

[Garb]

Wrong, theimage (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) is plenty clear.

Of course you can determine size. Simply use the interior box column for scale. It is 52 inches wide.

Yes, because pointing to an low quality image and saying there is concrete somewhere there defenitely proves your claim.

[Regnad Kcin]

Altogether now

Tie me concrete core down, Brown
Tie me concrete core down
Tie me concrete core down, Brown
Tie me concrete core down

[beachnut]

Yea,

and what core columns?

http://concretecore.741.com


you do know there was not concrete core in the WTC?

it was just steel and wallboard, 2 pieces of 3/4 inch wall board

this is why the guys trapped in an elevator were able to cut and dig through the wall board into a bathroom,

no concrete, just wall board! you need to study better or were you just point out how the CT web site is full of dolts who can not research or are just telling lies for fun?

If you think the web site is correct, then why worry about research, it will just make your fantasy vaporize.

[Belz...]

Diagrams? Check them? Against what? We already know they do not verify when compared to iages [sic] of the demo.

Interesting. How do we "already know" that if we can't verify it properly. That very knowledge is what's beign debated here, so I don't think you can claim that we know anything about those "iages". Also, you calling it a demo assumes your conclusion.

Produce the picture and describe how they are connected if this is the case.

You might have noticed the horizontal steel connecting the two steel columns. Or does your incredible vision cease to register objects that are wider than 2 pixels ?

[Belz...]

Wrong, theimage (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) is plenty clear.

Of course you can determine size. Simply use the interior box column for scale. It is 52 inches wide.

Unless it's a steel columns. Oh, no. Chris "knows" that those never existed. All those columns were just for show, and the concrete had no structural usefulness whatsoever because it was poured after the rest of the building.

[Christophera]

Not anything you are claiming them to be, because yOU can't determine any size in that heavily compressed and edited image.

Wrong, the image (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) is plenty clear.

Of course you can determine size. Simply use the interior box column for scale. It is 52 inches wide.

[Oliver]

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/signs043.gif

Dont feed the trolls at this board, thank you.

[Garb]

Wrong, the image (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) is plenty clear.

Of course you can determine size. Simply use the interior box column for scale. It is 52 inches wide.

No, it's not clear at all.

[Christophera]

You might have noticed the horizontal steel connecting the two steel columns. Or does your incredible vision cease to register objects that are wider than 2 pixels ?

So the columns that are not inside the core are connected with horizontal steel.

What about columns in the core?

[Oliver]

No, it's not clear at all.

Did you read the whole thread?

[Christophera]

No, it's not clear at all.

Plenty clear for these purposes.



http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3732&stc=1&d=1161635540

[azazal]

Wrong, the image (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) is plenty clear.

Of course you can determine size. Simply use the interior box column for scale. It is 52 inches wide.

Nahh I prefer to us the people in these pictures for scale.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/azazal/Misc/WTC2working.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/azazal/Misc/WTC1working.jpg

But you go ahead and just keep on ignoring them

[Garb]

Did you read the whole thread?

Yes.

[GlennB]

Wrong, the image (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) is plenty clear.

Of course you can determine size. Simply use the interior box column for scale. It is 52 inches wide.

Christophera, could you address - with raw evidence - the approx 1.5 million tonnes of concrete that comprised the cores of the Twin Towers that you describe? 400x25x40 cubic metres approx volume, x2.4 tonnes per cubic metre. Where did it go? Why wasn't there a 100m+ pile of concrete rubble at GZ?

[Christophera]

Unless it's a steel columns. Oh, no. Chris "knows" that those never existed. All those columns were just for show, and the concrete had no structural usefulness whatsoever because it was poured after the rest of the building.

Your words are empty with images. Show us columns inside the core.

[Oliver]

Nahh I prefer to us the people in these pictures for scale.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/azazal/Misc/WTC2working.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/azazal/Misc/WTC1working.jpg

But you go ahead and just keep on ignoring them


You´re wrong - no matter what you say.

[Christophera]

Your observations are disillusional to say the least. We have shown you a dozen of photo's with steel core columns, more steel core columns and hella lot steel core columns.

Actually you may have shown 2 images that might be interpreted as showing "core columsns" by people who don't know better.

I ususally show an image that should show steel core columns in the core but does not. It does show what can only be concrete (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).

[Oliver]

Actually you may have shown 2 images that might be interpreted as showing "core columsns" by people who don't know better.

I ususally show an image that should show steel core columns in the core but does not. It does show what can only be concrete (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).

It was a Jellyfish-Core. Here´s my evidence:

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3732&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1161635540

[Bell]

Actually you may have shown 2 images that might be interpreted as showing "core columsns" by people who don't know better.

I ususally show an image that should show steel core columns in the core but does not. It does show what can only be concrete (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).

Yes, you have posted that image about 122 times by now (give or take 23). Now, are you going to stop this performance art or what?

[Oliver]

Yes, you have posted that image about 122 times by now (give or take 23). Now, are you going to stop this performance art or what?

Is posting a picture 122 times spamming in terms of board rules?

[Christophera]

it's been a long old haul but here goes..............
chris claims to have interviewed a mohawk ironworker who helped construct the towers (who btw seems to have been working there at least 3 years before constuction of the towers began). anyway, according to our chris, this windwalking fellow was very reticent about the whole deal. becoming terrified when chris even hinted at a concrete core. it seems the steel workers were sent packing for extended periods while special NYPA operatives painted a special coating onto the rebar supposedly used in the "concrete core". these mohawks apparently fear for their lives if they blab about anything to do with the "core". but strangely this same terrified individual must have told him that mohawks sabotaged the work of the secret rebar police. this is chris' explanation of why some of the rebar didn't detonate during the collapse.



Well, it seems you've gotten the bad habit of distortion from the deniers of this thread. The steel worker was not terrified, he just seemed hesitant to continue with remembering. Now engineers are terrified of stating what they see inthe images which show the core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).

And I've never said the PA applied the C4 coating, flat our error. The rebar was delivered with the coating on it.

The notion that the Indigenous steel workers sabotaged the explosive circuits is entirely mine, but it its logical.

Form te errors evidenced here in examining your efforts to make a simple communication, it can be easily seen that you might not hve the integrity to discuss evidence reasonably.

[Gravy]

Actually you may have shown 2 images that might be interpreted as showing "core columsns" by people who don't know better.

I ususally show an image that should show steel core columns in the core but does not. It does show what can only be concrete (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).
As I've explained to Chris many times, his image "southcorestands" shows part of the north tower's core. Every single time I've quizzed him on which tower was pictured in a photo I've presented he's gotten it wrong.

After years of "research," he doesn't even know which tower was where on the site. It doesn't get much worse than that.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790453c68cab4cea.jpg

In the photo above, note the 16-inch wide tongue-in-grove gypsum panels that comprised the core walls. Chris cannot explain how the gypsum survived while a 17-foot thick concrete wall was blown to smithereens around it.


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790452c0ed9a19b0.jpg

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790452c0ed9d1efb.jpg

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790452c0ed979936.jpg

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790452c0ef8e8610.jpg

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790452c11e07a3ea.jpg

[Christophera]

Is posting a picture 122 times spamming in terms of board rules?


No. as long as it is providing proof that quashes unreasonable denial of facts. Unreasonably denying facts is considered spamming in the most rational circles .

To be reasonable you must post evidence with reason.

[Oliver]

Well, it seems you've gotten the bad habit of distortion from the deniers of this thread. The steel worker was not terrified, he just seemed hesitant to continue with remembering. Now engineers are terrified of stating what they see inthe images which show the core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).

And I've never said the PA applied the C4 coating, flat our error. The rebar was delivered with the coating on it.

The notion that the Indigenous steel workers sabotaged the explosive circuits is entirely mine, but it its logical.

Form te errors evidenced here in examining your efforts to make a simple communication, it can be easily seen that you might not hve the integrity to discuss evidence reasonably.

You´re wrong. It was a jellyfish core. Look

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3732&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1161635540

[Bell]

Is posting a picture 122 times spamming in terms of board rules?

22 times, 122 times, I don't know how often, and I don't care. We all have seen those pictures before. All I care for is for Bleeding Virgin to stop this performance art. Or see a doctor, the blood in his eyes is blocking a clear view.

[Oliver]

No. as long as it is providing proof that quashes unreasonable denial of facts. Unreasonably denying facts is considered spamming in the most rational circles .

To be reasonable you must post evidence with reason.

You want evidence? Here it is:

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3732&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1161635540

You are wrong.

[Oliver]

22 times, 122 times, I don't know how often, and I don't care. We all have seen those pictures before. All I care for is for Bleeding Virgin to stop this performance art. Or see a doctor, the blood in his eyes is blocking a clear view.

What are the admins in here doing? Don´t they know his stupid thread?

[Christophera]

After years of "research," he doesn't even know which tower was where on the site. It doesn't get much worse than that.

[CENTER]http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790453c68cab4cea.jpg



We cannot tell from your image where that stairwell is. I think is is inside the core and not by the core wall. The vertical steel is not the same dimensions as the interior box columns outside the core.

Most importantly is that at elevations above ground where we can easily find the core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif) area, not steel columns are present.

[Oliver]

We cannot tell from your image where that stairwell is. I think is is inside the core and not by the core wall. The vertical steel is not the same dimensions as the interior box columns outside the core.

Most importantly is that at elevations above ground where we can easily find the core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif) area, not steel columns are present.

You´re wrong because it was Jellyfish that brought the buildings down.
Here, take a look for your own:

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3732&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1161635540

[Bell]

As I've explained to Chris many times, his image "southcorestands" shows part of the north tower's core. Every single time I've quizzed him on which tower was pictured in a photo I've presented he's gotten it wrong.

After years of "research," he doesn't even know which tower was where on the site. It doesn't get much worse than that.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790453c68cab4cea.jpg

In the photo above, note the 16-inch wide tongue-in-grove gypsum panels that comprised the core walls. Chris cannot explain how the gypsum survived while a 17-foot thick concrete wall was blown to smithereens around it.


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http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8790452c0ed979936.jpg

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***** hell, Gravy! Never seen that one before, the first picture is very unsettling... :(
Imagine if you where just on one of those stairs (like the firefighters and the lady) and to have survived the collapse. This picture gives me more insight on what happened to that core. ***** hell...

[Oliver]

***** hell, Gravy! Never seen that one before, the first picture is very unsettling... :(

Not for Christophera. In his case it´s a funny concrete-core picture.

[beachnut]

Well, it seems you've gotten the bad habit of distortion from the deniers of this thread. The steel worker was not terrified, he just seemed hesitant to continue with remembering. Now engineers are terrified of stating what they see inthe images which show the core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).

And I've never said the PA applied the C4 coating, flat our error. The rebar was delivered with the coating on it.

The notion that the Indigenous steel workers sabotaged the explosive circuits is entirely mine, but it its logical.

Form te errors evidenced here in examining your efforts to make a simple communication, it can be easily seen that you might not hve the integrity to discuss evidence reasonably.

you do know there was not concrete core in the WTC?

it was just steel and wallboard, 2 pieces of 3/4 inch wall board

this is why the guys trapped in an elevator were able to cut and dig through the wall board into a bathroom,

no concrete, just wall board! you need to study better or were you just point out how the CT web site is full of dolts who can not research or are just telling lies for fun?

If you think the web site is correct, then why worry about research, it will just make your fantasy vaporize.

the floors were poured of light weight concrete

the core was steel with fire coating, the fire coating consisted of 2 layers of 3/4 inch gypsum board, no concrete, there may of been concrete in the lower levels, some places had just blown on fire protection

wall board walls to protect steel from fire and concrete floors,

why do you think the core was concrete and steel? you can find references to tell you about the wall board, plus you could look up the guys stuck in the elevator who broke through the layers of wall board between the steel column in the steel core of the WTC and ended up in a bathroom then beat feet out before the WTC fell, if the core was concrete they would have been stuck for days and the WTC may have survived.

[Oliver]

you do know there was not concrete core in the WTC?

it was just steel and wallboard, 2 pieces of 3/4 inch wall board

this is why the guys trapped in an elevator were able to cut and dig through the wall board into a bathroom,

no concrete, just wall board! you need to study better or were you just point out how the CT web site is full of dolts who can not research or are just telling lies for fun?

If you think the web site is correct, then why worry about research, it will just make your fantasy vaporize.

the floors were poured of light weight concrete

the core was steel with fire coating, the fire coating consisted of 2 layers of 3/4 inch gypsum board, no concrete, there may of been concrete in the lower levels, some places had just blown on fire protection

wall board walls to protect steel from fire and concrete floors,

why do you think the core was concrete and steel? you can find references to tell you about the wall board, plus you could look up the guys stuck in the elevator who broke through the layers of wall board between the steel column in the steel core of the WTC and ended up in a bathroom then beat feet out before the WTC fell, if the core was concrete they would have been stuck for days and the WTC may have survived.

You´re wrong. It was a jellyfish core.

[Oliver]

Someone who sees a chocolate-core or a bambus-core?

[Powa]

I see an annoyed German. :D

[beachnut]

You´re wrong. It was a jellyfish core.

you are suppose to keep that a secret!

darn

just when I was going to say 20 to 30 floors start to move and destroy the next layer of support and carry that with the 20 floors mass, now 20 plus junk as it accelerates and hit the next bit of resistance which it over comes with a small percentage of energy which now as part of the 20+mass continues at a speed appropriate for the new mass based on the momentum at the time of the collision and now accelerates with gravity (so to say), and it then stricks the next resistance, and it continues moving at a speed minus the energy lost to kill resistance and base on the new overall mass and momentum at the collision. (most find it hard to think that the collision and failures are instantaneous and the mass continues to move, never stopping on a macro level, albeit with a new velocity based on the new mass associated with the collision)

I found it best to use floor by floor comparison, as to calculate the real mess would take years.

Floor by floor failure would, from my estimate, result in a 10 percent slow down over a straight gravity fall, of course most people do not realize that the mass is one of the keys in falling, and the larger mass has a higher terminal velocity. So the dust took the longest to land, versus the tons of steel which pretty much never reached terminal velocity

but other than the jelly core, I think CT guys missed the fact the collapse was not symmetrical, did not fall on itself, and did not happen in 10 seconds,

the jelly core, kind of fishy

[Powa]

Unreasonably denying facts is considered spamming in the most rational circles .
Are you now admitting to be a spammer? :eye-poppi

[Oliver]

you are suppose to keep that a secret!

darn

just when I was going to say 20 to 30 floors start to move and destroy the next layer of support and carry that with the 20 floors mass, now 20 plus junk as it accelerates and hit the next bit of resistance which it over comes with a small percentage of energy which now as part of the 20+mass continues at a speed appropriate for the new mass based on the momentum at the time of the collision and now accelerates with gravity (so to say), and it then stricks the next resistance, and it continues moving at a speed minus the energy lost to kill resistance and base on the new overall mass and momentum at the collision. (most find it hard to think that the collision and failures are instantaneous and the mass continues to move, never stopping on a macro level, albeit with a new velocity based on the new mass associated with the collision)

I found it best to use floor by floor comparison, as to calculate the real mess would take years.

Floor by floor failure would, from my estimate, result in a 10 percent slow down over a straight gravity fall, of course most people do not realize that the mass is one of the keys in falling, and the larger mass has a higher terminal velocity. So the dust took the longest to land, versus the tons of steel which pretty much never reached terminal velocity

but other than the jelly core, I think CT guys missed the fact the collapse was not symmetrical, did not fall on itself, and did not happen in 10 seconds,

the jelly core, kind of fishy

It fell in 4.231453 seconds in german time. You´re wrong.

[beachnut]

No. as long as it is providing proof that quashes unreasonable denial of facts. Unreasonably denying facts is considered spamming in the most rational circles .

To be reasonable you must post evidence with reason.

therefore you are spamming, since you have no fact on a concrete core, or the fact you are ignoring the facts of no concrete core that have been presented to you

what does this mean?

There are a lot of false web sites who talk of concrete cores, there are even papers who call the WTC core concrete, but the upper floors have no concrete cores except in the floor, the floor pan was poured concrete

the core of the WTC towers in the upper floors was steel, wallboard, and fire coating, depending on the areas of the core

yes, you have to wade through tons of junk to find how the buildings were made, due to the fact most construction companies that make money do not share ideas with others for free, (opinion on why it is hard to find info on WTC design)

[Oliver]

what does this mean?

This is the fun thread without any meaning but it was a *****-core.
Insert whatever you want.


You are wrong. It was a jelly-core.

[Arus808]

yes, you have to wade through tons of junk to find how the buildings were made, due to the fact most construction companies that make money do not share ideas with others for free, (opinion on why it is hard to find info on WTC design)

I dont know why he is resorting to online misinformed websites, when there are no less than 5 books* authored about the construction of these Towers, or the towers were one of the subjects about skyscrapers and construction, long before 2001 and 1993. So, is Chris now stating that the authors of these books are "in" on the conspiracy of keeping the entire project a secret?
Give me a break

The fact he refuses to use these books as research material shows that he someone who needs to see serious mental help.



*some books to research:
Twin Towers: The Life of New York City's World Trade Center (Hardcover) (http://tinyurl.com/upj9d)
The World Trade Center: Politics and Policies of Skyscraper Development (Hardcover) (http://tinyurl.com/ybqqxx)
Divided We Stand: A Biography of New York City's World Trade Center (http://tinyurl.com/yjpcu9)
City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center (http://tinyurl.com/ygkelo)
Construction Technology for Tall Buildings (http://tinyurl.com/yahrsd)
Skyscrapers (http://tinyurl.com/yy8fkj)
Form Follows Finance: Skyscrapers and Skylines in New York and Chicago (http://tinyurl.com/ykg38g)

[Oliver]

I dont know why he is resorting to online misinformed websites, when there are no less than 10 books* authored about the construction of these Towers, or the towers were one of the subjects about skyscrapers and construction, long before 2001 and 1993. So, is Chris now stating that the authors of these books are "in" on the conspiracy of keeping the entire project a secret?
Give me a break

The fact he refuses to use these books as research material shows that he someone who needs to see serious mental help.



*some books to research:
http://tinyurl.com/upj9d][/B]Twin Towers: The Life of New York City's World Trade Center (Hardcover) ([B)
[B]http://tinyurl.com/ybqqxx]The World Trade Center: Politics and Policies of Skyscraper Development (Hardcover) ([/B)
[B]http://tinyurl.com/yjpcu9]Divided We Stand: A Biography of New York City's World Trade Center ([/B)
[B]http://tinyurl.com/ygkelo]City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center ([/B)
[B]http://tinyurl.com/yahrsd]Construction Technology for Tall Buildings ([/B)
[B]http://tinyurl.com/yy8fkj]Skyscrapers ([/B)
[B]http://tinyurl.com/ykg38g]Form Follows Finance: Skyscrapers and Skylines in New York and Chicago ([/B)



Does it explain the Jellyfish-Core? If not, you´re wrong.

[beachnut]

I dont know why he is resorting to online misinformed websites, when there are no less than 5 books* authored about the construction of these Towers, or the towers were one of the subjects about skyscrapers and construction, long before 2001 and 1993. So, is Chris now stating that the authors of these books are "in" on the conspiracy of keeping the entire project a secret?
Give me a break

The fact he refuses to use these books as research material shows that he someone who needs to see serious mental help.



*some books to research:
Twin Towers: The Life of New York City's World Trade Center (Hardcover) (http://tinyurl.com/upj9d)
The World Trade Center: Politics and Policies of Skyscraper Development (Hardcover) (http://tinyurl.com/ybqqxx)
Divided We Stand: A Biography of New York City's World Trade Center (http://tinyurl.com/yjpcu9)
City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center (http://tinyurl.com/ygkelo)
Construction Technology for Tall Buildings (http://tinyurl.com/yahrsd)
Skyscrapers (http://tinyurl.com/yy8fkj)
Form Follows Finance: Skyscrapers and Skylines in New York and Chicago (http://tinyurl.com/ykg38g)

It is almost impossible to find real info on the internet, you have to wade thru so much BS,

I have found what I thought were actual descriptoins of WTC core, and never found concrete to be in the core. There may be concrete at lower sections but you have to research real books; real sources, like you say.

[firecoins]

the WTC had a caramel core!

[Oliver]

the WTC had a caramel core!

You´re wrong because caramel would have molten during the fires. It does not explain the explosives within the core at all.

[Garb]

You´re wrong because caramel would have molten during the fires. It does not explain the explosives within the core at all.

What fires? I only see termates in the structure....

[Oliver]

What fires? I only see termates in the structure....

The termates came with the planes but they had no effect to the jellyfish-core at all because jellyfishs favorite dish is termates.

[uruk]

Hey guys, Ya know, I think I've run my course on this little thread. Yea, I know I said I was through with it acouple a hundred posts back, but I had found better pictures, brushed up on my 3d forensic skills. I presented clear and definitive evidence that the core was steel; that there never was a concrete core. Backed it up I did. Everybody here has. We've presented clear, higher resolution pictures of the core and the supposed concrete wall that Chris keeps posting and pointing to .Yet he continually denies what the pictures shows, he avoids direct requests to point it out; always refering back to his blurry, low resolution pictures because it allows him to continue in his dilusion. Whenever he get pressed against the wall of reality he dreams up yet another insane, self-supporting manic dillusion about mohawk indians, C4 coated rebar, hypmotizim and a non-existant 4 hour PBS documentary. Which proves undeniably that Ole' Chris boy full goose, bats in the ass crazy. I don't think anybody here denies that chis is seriously mentaly ill.
Which brings me to my next point.
I'm reminded of a proverd I made up 10 minutes ago. "Who is more crazy, the gibbering maniac or the guy who argues with the gibbering maniac." Yes I admit I've been guilty of poking a stick the local crazy guy. But what does it say about me? (And look at what happened to poor Oliver, bless his soul.)
I know, what some people have said about sharpening thier debating skills, but how do you sharpen a knife on a wet noodle? Also there's some words about not letting a noobie looking at this train wreck and getting missinformation about the tragedy of 9/11. But I think it is safe to say that Chris's brand of raving lunacy is pretty self-evident.

Anyhoo, I'm done. I'll be poking around out of morbid curiosity. If I find something new I'll post for what it's worth. But I've had my fill of arguing with the gibbering idiot.

Have fun guys!

[Garb]

Hey guys, Ya know, I think I've run my course on this little thread. Yea, I know I said I was through with it acouple a hundred posts back, but I had found better pictures, brushed up on my 3d forensic skills. I presented clear and definitive evidence that the core was steel; that there never was a concrete core. Backed it up I did. Everybody here has. We've presented clear, higher resolution pictures of the core and the supposed concrete wall that Chris keeps posting and pointing to .Yet he continually denies what the pictures shows, he avoids direct requests to point it out; always refering back to his blurry, low resolution pictures because it allows him to continue in his dilusion. Whenever he get pressed against the wall of reality he dreams up yet another insane, self-supporting manic dillusion about mohawk indians, C4 coated rebar, hypmotizim and a non-existant 4 hour PBS documentary. Which proves undeniably that Ole' Chris boy full goose, bats in the ass crazy. I don't think anybody here denies that chis is seriously mentaly ill.
Which brings me to my next point.
I'm reminded of a proverd I made up 10 minutes ago. "Who is more crazy, the gibbering maniac or the guy who argues with the gibbering maniac." Yes I admit I've been guilty of poking a stick the local crazy guy. But what does it say about me? (And look at what happened to poor Oliver, bless his soul.)
I know, what some people have said about sharpening thier debating skills, but how do you sharpen a knife on a wet noodle? Also there's some words about not letting a noobie looking at this train wreck and getting missinformation about the tragedy of 9/11. But I think it is safe to say that Chris's brand of raving lunacy is pretty self-evident.

Anyhoo, I'm done. I'll be poking around out of morbid curiosity. If I find something new I'll post for what it's worth. But I've had my fill of arguing with the gibbering idiot.

Have fun guys!

You know you wanna poke him again...


Come on...

[Bell]

Hey guys, Ya know, I think I've run my course on this little thread. Yea, I know I said I was through with it acouple a hundred posts back, but I had found better pictures, brushed up on my 3d forensic skills. I presented clear and definitive evidence that the core was steel; that there never was a concrete core. Backed it up I did. Everybody here has. We've presented clear, higher resolution pictures of the core and the supposed concrete wall that Chris keeps posting and pointing to .Yet he continually denies what the pictures shows, he avoids direct requests to point it out; always refering back to his blurry, low resolution pictures because it allows him to continue in his dilusion. Whenever he get pressed against the wall of reality he dreams up yet another insane, self-supporting manic dillusion about mohawk indians, C4 coated rebar, hypmotizim and a non-existant 4 hour PBS documentary. Which proves undeniably that Ole' Chris boy full goose, bats in the ass crazy. I don't think anybody here denies that chis is seriously mentaly ill.
Which brings me to my next point.
I'm reminded of a proverd I made up 10 minutes ago. "Who is more crazy, the gibbering maniac or the guy who argues with the gibbering maniac." Yes I admit I've been guilty of poking a stick the local crazy guy. But what does it say about me? (And look at what happened to poor Oliver, bless his soul.)
I know, what some people have said about sharpening thier debating skills, but how do you sharpen a knife on a wet noodle? Also there's some words about not letting a noobie looking at this train wreck and getting missinformation about the tragedy of 9/11. But I think it is safe to say that Chris's brand of raving lunacy is pretty self-evident.

Anyhoo, I'm done. I'll be poking around out of morbid curiosity. If I find something new I'll post for what it's worth. But I've had my fill of arguing with the gibbering idiot.

Have fun guys!

I feel your pain, Uruk. I'm not sure who's head I want to bang to the wall, mine or Chris'... He has a serious mental illness, and needs to seek help.

Thanks for trying, btw.

[Architect]

You know you wanna poke him again...


Come on...

Poke Poke

[uruk]

You know you wanna poke him again...


Come on...

WEEEELLLLL, alright. You twisted my arm.

[Bell]

WEEEELLLLL, alright. You twisted my arm.

I think there's a typo in your sig, uruk. It seems to be missing the word "... they can be used ..."

[uruk]

I think there's a typo in your sig, uruk. It seems to be missing the word "... they can be used ..."

Yep, your right.

Thanks.

[firecoins]

You´re wrong because caramel would have molten during the fires. It does not explain the explosives within the core at all.
caramel melts in your mouth! Not in a fire!

[Christophera]

[COLOR=black]it was just steel and wallboard, 2 pieces of 3/4 inch wall board

Find an image of the towers partially down that show the core colums in the core area. If you cannot find one consider there was a concrete core or, explain why the steel croe columns are not protruding from the top of what ever that is. Oh, explain what that is too.

concrete core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

this is why the guys trapped in an elevator were able to cut and dig through the wall board into a bathroom,

Some elevators were up against concrete on one or two walls, others had no concrete aroundthem at all.

why do you think the core was concrete and steel?

I witnessed the construction of the concrete core by watching a 2 hour documentary that aired on channel 10, KCET in southern California in 1990. Over an hour of it was basically about the concrete core becuase it was the real challenge in the construction, It was called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". I've been a welder for 35 years and worked as a survey for a civil engineer for 20 years often doing layout for concrete contractors. I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting. Also, operated heavy equipment on demo projects.

What is your experience and sources of information?

[Bell]

Find an image of the towers partially down that show the core colums in the core area. If you cannot find one consider there was a concrete core or, explain why the steel croe columns are not protruding from the top of what ever that is. Oh, explain what that is too.

concrete core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)


Some elevators were up against concrete on one or two walls, others had no concrete aroundthem at all.


I witnessed the construction of the concrete core by watching a 2 hour documentary that aired on channel 10, KCET in southern California in 1990. Over an hour of it was basically about the concrete core becuase it was the real challenge in the construction, It was called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". I've been a welder for 35 years and worked as a survey for a civil engineer for 20 years often doing layout for concrete contractors. I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting. Also, operated heavy equipment on demo projects.

What is your experience and sources of information?

But did you use LSD?

[Regnad Kcin]

I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting.Mr. Brown and friend (http://sctv.org/characters/farmfilmreport/farmfilmreport.gif) blowing things up real good!

[TjW]

I witnessed the construction of the concrete core by watching a 2 hour documentary that aired on channel 10, KCET in southern California in 1990. Over an hour of it was basically about the concrete core becuase it was the real challenge in the construction, It was called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". I've been a welder for 35 years and worked as a survey for a civil engineer for 20 years often doing layout for concrete contractors. I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting. Also, operated heavy equipment on demo projects.

What is your experience and sources of information?

I have lived in Southern California my entire life. KCET is not now and never has been on channel 10, and certainly was not on channel 10 in 1990.

ETA: There has NEVER been a broadcast station on channel 10 in the LA area.

[Christophera]

After years of "research," he doesn't even know which tower was where on the site. It doesn't get much worse than that

I've admitted I do not know which tower this (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/core.corner.arrow.col.jpg) image is from. It doesn't matter.

What matters is that you've tried to show what it is and absolutely blew it.

The below image is your image which you have no explanation for. I have shown with annotations and lines to fit it in with another image of WTC 2 from the east (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/silhouettenoontosouth.jpg) and show it is WTC 2.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3736&stc=1&d=1161654633

[TheFeds]

I have shown with annotations and lines to fit it in with another image of WTC 2 from the east (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/silhouettenoontosouth.jpg) and show it is WTC 2.Restate that sentence so that it makes sense. Precisely what do you mean "fit it in with another image"? Are you proposing to superimpose it into another image? Are you comparing distinguishing marks and concluding that they are common to both images? Describe what you're doing; don't handwave and say that it's already proven.

And as for the image itself, are you seriously implying that each blue line represents a hallway? That means that there are six columns of hallways, not the one depicted in your concrete core picture. Per floor, how many hallways are there, and in which directions do they run?

http://algoxy.com/conc/images/corehallsdoors.gif
This diagram does not match what you just attached. What's the explanation?

[Christophera]

I have lived in Southern California my entire life. KCET is not now and never has been on channel 10, and certainly was not on channel 10 in 1990.

ETA: There has NEVER been a broadcast station on channel 10 in the LA area.

I quit watching TV 7 years ago. You better too, it is getting to your brain.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Jerome_Al_19651539.aspx
...
Al Jerome, president of KCET (Cox Cable Channel 10), grapples with these issues every day. A former NBC executive, Mr. Jerome has been running Southern California's pre-eminent public television station for the past nine years. Last week, while in Santa Barbara for a board of directors retreat, he took time to discuss the challenges his station is facing, and propose some creative solutions.

[Bell]

But did you use LSD?

[bonavada]

And I've never said the PA applied the C4 coating, flat our error. The rebar was delivered with the coating on it.


well my my...WTF were you insinuating here then?:-

my bold

At about this time the videographers actually imparted a sense of mystery having to do with the core. Basically the entire documentary was about the core from then on out.

The videographers eventually found the big slow down in the construction to be the butt welds in the 3 inch high tensile steel rebar which arrived in 40 foot long sticks and had to be 100% welded, x-rayed, and recoated with the "special anti corrosion, vibration" plastic coating. The videographers in talking with concrete contractors found out about forced evacuations of the concrete crews pouring floors just prior to running the steel after the corrugated panels were sandblasted. They actually had video of the crews jogging between floors after the PA and the contractor got over the conflict the unplanned or announced stoppage of work was discovered by the contractor who threatened to sue because the stoppages over a few days had cost him about $7k in wages for workers who were sitting around waiting while the PA did some mysterious thing the videographers never did figure out.

I remember the video of the workers jogging showed the PA security guys standing in the adjoining hallway next to a stack of 5 gallon buckets waiting for the workers to clear the floor.


what exactly did those PA security guys have in the buckets? some of your *********?

BV

[Christophera]

And as for the image itself, are you seriously implying that each blue line represents a hallway? That means that there are six columns of hallways, not the one depicted in your concrete core picture. Per floor, how many hallways are there, and in which directions do they run?

You need to read.

It is stated that the towers had different hallway schemes. My diagram is of WTC 1 and it says so RIGHT IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE the diagram here,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

The fat blue lines are doorways and the thin blue lines are both side of doorways. Compare to the other (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/silhouettenoontosouth.jpg) linked image and you will see that the proportions fit and the light shining through works too.

[Christophera]

well my my...WTF were you insinuating here then?:-



what exactly did those PA security guys have in the buckets? some of your *********?

BV

Okay, I thought you were referring to the core. Yes, it appears they were applying explosives to the floors.

[Regnad Kcin]

Mr. Brown:

KCET - Los Angeles is on Channel 28.

[TjW]

I quit watching TV 7 years ago. You better too, it is getting to your brain.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Jerome_Al_19651539.aspx
...
Al Jerome, president of KCET (Cox Cable Channel 10), grapples with these issues every day. A former NBC executive, Mr. Jerome has been running Southern California's pre-eminent public television station for the past nine years. Last week, while in Santa Barbara for a board of directors retreat, he took time to discuss the challenges his station is facing, and propose some creative solutions.
A cable system can put programming on any channel that suits them. That does not change the fact that KCET identifies itself as channel 28. It does not, and never has, identified itself as channel 10.

[TheFeds]

I quit watching TV 7 years ago. You better too, it is getting to your brain.

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Jerome_Al_19651539.aspx
...
Al Jerome, president of KCET (Cox Cable Channel 10), grapples with these issues every day. A former NBC executive, Mr. Jerome has been running Southern California's pre-eminent public television station for the past nine years. Last week, while in Santa Barbara for a board of directors retreat, he took time to discuss the challenges his station is facing, and propose some creative solutions.
Go here (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html). Enter KCET. Select detailed output. Get this:

Mon Oct 23 22:25:23 2006 Eastern time

Search Parameters Callsign: KCET State: CA Record type: Lower Channel 2 Upper Channel 69


Next Record (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=CA&call=KCET&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9#10001)KCET CA LOS ANGELES USA Licensee: COMMUNITY TELEVISION OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Service Designation: TV NTSC (analog) television station Channel: 28 554 - 560 MHz Licensed File No.: BLET-19820607LE Facility ID number: 13058 CDBS Application ID No.: 43885 34° 13' 26.00" N Latitude Site in Mexican Border Zone
118° 03' 44.00" W Longitude (NAD 27) Polarization: Horizontal (H) Effective Radiated Power (ERP):2450.kW ERP Antenna Height Above Average Terrain:926.meters HAAT Antenna Height Above Mean Sea Level:1825.5meters AMSL Antenna Height Above Ground Level:100.6meters AGL TV Zone: 2 Frequency Offset: 0 (zero) Directional Antenna ID No.: 17555 Pattern Rotation: 0.00 Antenna Make: AND Antenna Model: 35E4 Relative Field values for directional antenna Relative Field polar plot (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?temp=17555&rotate=0.00&p0=0.863&p10=0.973&p20=0.973&p30=0.759&p40=0.544&p45=0.500&p50=0.459&p60=0.576&p70=0.833&p80=0.964&p90=0.905&p100=0.669&p110=0.455&p120=0.403&p130=0.499&p135=0.540&p140=0.564&p150=0.569&p160=0.545&p170=0.483&p180=0.515&p190=0.568&p200=0.568&p210=0.515&p220=0.483&p225=0.511&p230=0.545&p240=0.582&p250=0.577&p260=0.505&p270=0.408&p280=0.467&p290=0.697&p300=0.919&p310=1.000&p315=0.931&p320=0.854&p330=0.552&p340=0.484&p350=0.673&p360=0.863&) Relative field values do not include any pattern rotation that may be indicated above. 0° 0.863 60° 0.576 120° 0.403 180° 0.515 240° 0.582 300° 0.919 10° 0.973 70° 0.833 130° 0.499 190° 0.568 250° 0.577 310° 1.000 20° 0.973 80° 0.964 140° 0.564 200° 0.568 260° 0.505 320° 0.854 30° 0.759 90° 0.905 150° 0.569 210° 0.515 270° 0.408 330° 0.552 40° 0.544 100° 0.669 160° 0.545 220° 0.483 280° 0.467 340° 0.484 50° 0.459 110° 0.455 170° 0.483 230° 0.545 290° 0.697 350° 0.673 Additional azimuths: 45° 0.500
135° 0.540
225° 0.511
315° 0.931
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NAD 27Latitude Longitude 1012244 (http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=116097) 1724.8 110.6 1835.4 N 34°13'26.0" W 118°3'47.0" To NAD27 (http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nadcon.prl?DIRECTION=83to27&LATITUDE=34,13,26.00&LONGITUDE=118,3,47.00&TYPE=SINGLE)
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Previous Record (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=CA&call=KCET&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9#10000) -- Next Record (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=CA&call=KCET&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9#10002)KCET CA LOS ANGELES USA (Digital) Licensee: COMMUNITY TELEVISION OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Service Designation: DT Digital television station Channel: 59 740 - 746 MHz Modification of Construction Permit File No.: BMPEDT-20000428ADF Facility ID number: 13058 CDBS Application ID No.: 502823 34° 13' 26.00" N Latitude Site in Mexican Border Zone
118° 03' 44.00" W Longitude (NAD 27) Polarization: Horizontal (H) Effective Radiated Power (ERP):340.kW ERP Antenna Height Above Average Terrain:913.meters HAAT Antenna Height Above Mean Sea Level:1812.meters AMSL Antenna Height Above Ground Level:87.meters AGL TV Zone: 2 Directional Antenna ID No.: 33524 Pattern Rotation: 0.00 Relative Field values for directional antenna Relative Field polar plot (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?temp=33524&rotate=0.00&p0=0.276&p10=0.304&p20=0.304&p30=0.276&p40=0.257&p50=0.314&p60=0.453&p70=0.625&p80=0.790&p90=0.916&p100=0.986&p105=1.000&p110=0.996&p120=0.953&p130=0.875&p140=0.782&p150=0.692&p160=0.618&p170=0.562&p180=0.525&p190=0.507&p200=0.507&p210=0.525&p220=0.562&p230=0.618&p240=0.692&p250=0.782&p260=0.875&p270=0.953&p280=0.996&p285=1.000&p290=0.986&p300=0.916&p310=0.790&p320=0.625&p330=0.453&p340=0.314&p350=0.257&p360=0.276&) Relative field values do not include any pattern rotation that may be indicated above. 0° 0.276 60° 0.453 120° 0.953 180° 0.525 240° 0.692 300° 0.916 10° 0.304 70° 0.625 130° 0.875 190° 0.507 250° 0.782 310° 0.790 20° 0.304 80° 0.790 140° 0.782 200° 0.507 260° 0.875 320° 0.625 30° 0.276 90° 0.916 150° 0.692 210° 0.525 270° 0.953 330° 0.453 40° 0.257 100° 0.986 160° 0.618 220° 0.562 280° 0.996 340° 0.314 50° 0.314 110° 0.996 170° 0.562 230° 0.618 290° 0.986 350° 0.257 Additional azimuths: 105° 1.000
285° 1.000
Additional Individual Tower Information from the Antenna Structure Registration database. (Use the Registration Number link for detailed information.) ASRN
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NAD 27Latitude Longitude 1012244 (http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=116097) 1724.8 110.6 1835.4 N 34°13'26.0" W 118°3'47.0" To NAD27 (http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nadcon.prl?DIRECTION=83to27&LATITUDE=34,13,26.00&LONGITUDE=118,3,47.00&TYPE=SINGLE)
FAA: Obstruction/Airport Airspace searches (https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaaEXT/portal.jsp) CDBS: Station Info (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/sta_list.pl?Facility_id=13058) Application Info (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=502823) Mailing Address (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/callsign/prod/query.hts?Call_Sign=KCET) Assignments and Transfers (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/altc_list.pl?Facility_id=13058) Application List (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=13058) CDBS Search Page (http://www.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/audio/cdbs-public-access.html) Ownership Info (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/own_list.pl?Facility_id=13058) EEO (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eeob_list.pl?Facility_id=13058) Call Sign Changes (http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/call_hist.pl?Facility_id=13058&Callsign=KCET) Site: Region Map (http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapgen/gif?lon=-118.062222&lat=34.223889&iwd=750&iht=750&mark=-118.062222,34.223889,bluestar,KCET_LOS ANGELES_CA&on=water,miscell,counties,places,CITIES,&off=streets,GRID,shorelin&ht=1.5&wid=1.5) Area Map (http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapgen/gif?lon=-118.062222&lat=34.223889&iwd=750&iht=750&mark=-118.062222,34.223889,bluestar,KCET_LOS ANGELES_CA&on=water,miscell,counties,places,CITIES,&off=streets,GRID,shorelin&ht=0.5&wid=0.5) Local Map (http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapgen/gif?lon=-118.062222&lat=34.223889&iwd=750&iht=750&mark=-118.062222,34.223889,bluestar,KCET_LOS ANGELES_CA&on=water,miscell,counties,places,CITIES,&off=streets,GRID,shorelin&ht=.05&wid=.05) Area: Service Contour Map (41 dBu) (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT502823.html) Alternate Map Link (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?n=DT502823.html) ULS: Related facilities in ULS (http://forums.randi.org/)
Previous Record (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=CA&call=KCET&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9#10001) -- Next Record (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=CA&call=KCET&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9#10003)KCET CA LOS ANGELES USA (Digital) Licensee: COMMUNITY TELEVISION OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA Service Designation: DT Digital television station Channel: 59 740 - 746 MHz Licensed File No.: BLEDT-20000626AFV Facility ID number: 13058 CDBS Application ID No.: 506339 34° 13' 26.00" N Latitude Site in Mexican Border Zone
118° 03' 44.00" W Longitude (NAD 27) Polarization: Horizontal (H) Effective Radiated Power (ERP):190.kW ERP Antenna Height Above Average Terrain:913.meters HAAT Antenna Height Above Mean Sea Level:1812.meters AMSL Antenna Height Above Ground Level:87.meters AGL TV Zone: 2 Directional Antenna ID No.: 33524 Pattern Rotation: 0.00 Antenna Make: DIE Antenna Model: TFU-10DSC-RC170 Relative Field values for directional antenna Relative Field polar plot (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?temp=33524&rotate=0.00&p0=0.276&p10=0.304&p20=0.304&p30=0.276&p40=0.257&p50=0.314&p60=0.453&p70=0.625&p80=0.790&p90=0.916&p100=0.986&p105=1.000&p110=0.996&p120=0.953&p130=0.875&p140=0.782&p150=0.692&p160=0.618&p170=0.562&p180=0.525&p190=0.507&p200=0.507&p210=0.525&p220=0.562&p230=0.618&p240=0.692&p250=0.782&p260=0.875&p270=0.953&p280=0.996&p285=1.000&p290=0.986&p300=0.916&p310=0.790&p320=0.625&p330=0.453&p340=0.314&p350=0.257&p360=0.276&) Relative field values do not include any pattern rotation that may be indicated above. 0° 0.276 60° 0.453 120° 0.953 180° 0.525 240° 0.692 300° 0.916 10° 0.304 70° 0.625 130° 0.875 190° 0.507 250° 0.782 310° 0.790 20° 0.304 80° 0.790 140° 0.782 200° 0.507 260° 0.875 320° 0.625 30° 0.276 90° 0.916 150° 0.692 210° 0.525 270° 0.953 330° 0.453 40° 0.257 100° 0.986 160° 0.618 220° 0.562 280° 0.996 340° 0.314 50° 0.314 110° 0.996 170° 0.562 230° 0.618 290° 0.986 350° 0.257 Additional azimuths: 105° 1.000
285° 1.000
Additional Individual Tower Information from the Antenna Structure Registration database. (Use the Registration Number link for detailed information.) ASRN
Site
Elevation
(meters)Overall Height
Above Ground
(meters)Overall Height
Above Mean Sea
Level (meters)NAD 83 Tower Coordinates
-----------------------------------------------Convert to
NAD 27Latitude Longitude 1012244 (http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=116097) 1724.8 110.6 1835.4 N 34°13'26.0" W 118°3'47.0" To NAD27 (http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/nadcon.prl?DIRECTION=83to27&LATITUDE=34,13,26.00&LONGITUDE=118,3,47.00&TYPE=SINGLE)
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First Record (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=CA&call=KCET&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9#10000)

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So, tell us again what channel KCET uses.

[Regnad Kcin]

Again, for those new to the discussion:

Our friend, Christopher A. Brown, asserts the Twin Towers were originally constructed with explosive materials secretly built into each with the intent for them to be someday demolished.

And the reason you laugh and scoff? As a child you were hypnotized.

[TheFeds]

You need to read.



It is stated that the towers had different hallway schemes. My diagram is of WTC 1 and it says so RIGHT IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE the diagram here,

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html I've referenced an external source that says that the towers' floor layouts were largely identical. You have only referenced your own webpage to contradict me. You can't just make things up and call them proof. You need to do research. So, come back when you find an impartial source that tells you that the tower layouts were substantially different.

The fat blue lines are doorways and the thin blue lines are both side of doorways. Compare to the other (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/silhouettenoontosouth.jpg) linked image and you will see that the proportions fit and the light shining through works too.That is nonsense. The resolution of those pictures is insufficient to positively identify a doorway. It could be something equivalently-coloured, like the paint on the wall, or a troll with a mirror. Unless you can identify a specific detail which is unique to a doorway, and present in the blue regions, you have no evidence to speak of. Identify the details, or retract your claim.

[Bell]

Again, for those new to the discussion:

Our friend, Christopher A. Brown, asserts the Twin Towers were originally constructed with explosive materials secretly built into each with the intent for them to be someday demolished.

And the reason you laugh and scoff? As a child you were hypnotized.

Mr. Kcin, as I told you before, your posts are great. Beautiful I will add now. Don't stop.

-Bell

[LashL]

Dear Christophera:

There were not and never have been concrete cores in the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York.

Please seek the professional help that you so desperately and so obviously require.

Love,
The Rest of the World.

[Christophera]

I've referenced an external source that says that the towers' floor layouts were largely identical. You have only referenced your own webpage to contradict me. You can't just make things up and call them proof. You need to do research. So, come back when you find an impartial source that tells you that the tower layouts were substantially different.


Read the survivors accounts and you will see that each tower had special training for the fire marshalls for each floor. The towers cores were so different that specific training for evacuations was required for the the different towers.

Oh, you have a problem with reading. You may never know the truth.

[Bell]

Yes, but did you use LSD?

[firecoins]

Read the survivors accounts and you will see that each tower had special training for the fire marshalls for each floor. The towers cores were so different that specific training for evacuations was required for the the different towers.

Oh, you have a problem with reading. You may never know the truth.
No. Many of those who died went to the roof thinking that a helicopter evacuation would take place when no such thing was in the cards.

Your concret core theory has clearly been debunked. They were steel core buildings. The picutres during construction clearly show this. Your images of the destruction do not show a concrete core. Sorry. :(

[Christophera]

Dear Christophera:

There were not and never have been concrete cores in the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York.

Please seek the professional help that you so desperately and so obviously require.

Love,
The Rest of the World.

You are a child when it comes to knowledge of the mind. So is psychology. Why? Arrested development, why? The APA was fonded by a skull and bones member. Hearsay, but I believe it after my continues experiences.

In the punctuation of the below letter, it is implied that the director of the "Ethics Department" left because of my letter and evidence to the APA.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3741&stc=1&d=1161659685

[Christophera]

No. Many of those who died went to the roof thinking that a helicopter evacuation would take place when no such thing was in the cards.

Your concret core theory has clearly been debunked. They were steel core buildings. The picutres during construction clearly show this. Your images of the destruction do not show a concrete core. Sorry. :(

A bogus spam denial post if there ever was one.

No evidence, typical juvenile social denial.

With one image it is proven there was no steel core columns and that there was a concrete core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif).

[LashL]

Seriously, Chris, get help. You really, truly, absolutely, without question, require professional help. I've read your various websites in great detail and I understand that you have had poor results in your prior attempts at seeking help, but that is because you were not actually seeking help.

"They" are not out to get you. "They" are not complicit in your problems. "They" are not trying to hide the "truth" from the world. "They" have not manipulated your mind. "They" have not hypnotized you. And there have never been concrete cores in the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York.

Get help. You really, really need it if you ever hope to function rationally in the world.

[Gravy]

Ahem.
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[TheFeds]

Oh, you have a problem with reading. You may never know the truth.You're the one who searches the internet for the phrase "concrete core", and, without actually reading the results, posts them as references. Then you run and hide when someone points out that most of the references you cited are either bogus, or referring to a "steel and concrete core" composed of concrete fireproofing sprayed onto steel columns.

So, really, I'm not the one with a reading problem...but wait, I've got proof. Actually, you provided the proof, just now:
In the punctuation of the below letter, it is implied that the director of the "Ethics Department" left because of my letter and evidence to the APA.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3741&stc=1&d=1161659685 That letter says "I had referred your letter originally to our Ethics Department . . . the director left and regrettably you never received a response."

Two facts are presented in that sentence:

She referred your letter to the Ethics Department.
The director left.You did not receive a response, probably because there was no director to respond. But at no time does she suggest that fact 1 and fact 2 exist in a cause-effect relationship. If you don't understand why this is (it's called logic, and if the ancient Greeks knew a thing or two about it, you damned well ought to as well), it is you that is the "child".

Your reading comprehension skills are inadequate. Perhaps you were dropped as a child. Perhaps you ate too many paint chips, while your parents were neglecting you. Perhaps you were too busy talking to the Mohawks in your class to pay any attention to school. Whatever your sad story is, you need to invest in some remediation, so that you don't go around embarrassing yourself with lapses of logic born out of an inability to read short sentences, and assimilate their meanings.

[Christophera]

You're the one who searches the internet for the phrase "concrete core", and, without actually reading the results, posts them as references. Then you run and hide when someone points out that most of the references you cited are either bogus, or referring to a "steel and concrete core" composed of concrete fireproofing sprayed onto steel columns.


Again, you are not reading.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

NOTE: This page has some confusion mentioning multiple, concrete clad cores.

You can be fair and selective when reviewing sources and say so as I have done. You cannot be fair in review, as you have done, of a site that has already sourced and reviewed and selected sources with reasonable comment as I have.

My point, which you have conpletely ignored, which my notes underline, is that WHEN the concrete core IS REFERRED to, it is done so consistently. You completely ignore the fact that these sources are uninterested on way or the other.

[RandFan]

Because there is no other reasonable explanation for what is seen. This isn't evidence and it most certainly isn't compelling. To the rest of us there is no other reasonable explanation for your conclusion. None at all. On top of that there is a boat load of evidence that you ware wrong. You have not produced any evidence to corroborate your assertions.

[Christophera]

So, really, I'm not the one with a reading problem...but wait, I've got proof. Actually, you provided the proof, just now:
That letter says "I had referred your letter originally to our Ethics Department . . . the director left and regrettably you never received a response."

Two facts are presented in that sentence:

She referred your letter to the Ethics Department.
The director left.You did not receive a response, probably because there was no director to respond. But at no time does she suggest that fact 1 and fact 2 exist in a cause-effect relationship. If you don't understand why this is (it's called logic, and if the ancient Greeks knew a thing or two about it, you damned well ought to as well), it is you that is the "child".

Your reading comprehension skills are inadequate. Perhaps you were dropped as a child. Perhaps you ate too many paint chips, while your parents were neglecting you. Perhaps you were too busy talking to the Mohawks in your class to pay any attention to school. Whatever your sad story is, you need to invest in some remediation, so that you don't go around embarrassing yourself with lapses of logic born out of an inability to read short sentences, and assimilate their meanings.

You might be able to read, but you are not going to learn anything without reading beteen the lines.

In casual conversation the punctuation would mean that the director of the ethics department left because of what I had written and evidenced. I folowed up on the reference that the senior director of the APA provided to find that I was answered by a psychologist from Washington State U that engaged in a series of bogus cognitive distortions.

You need to read, think and do something instead of dissing others efforts that are well founded in needs.

We need to figue out what is happening in our government. You are not helping the people, you are helping the infiltraors with your current line of action.

[Christophera]

This isn't evidence and it most certainly isn't compelling. To the rest of us there is no other reasonable explanation for your conclusion. None at all. On top of that there is a boat load of evidence that you ware wrong. You have not produced any evidence to corroborate your assertions.

And you know what. Your post isn't a complete communication. I have no idea of what you are referring to without going back and redetermining the context of what you quoted. Try again.

[Christophera]

Seriously, Chris, get help. You really, truly, absolutely, without question, require professional help. I've read your various websites in great detail and I understand that you have had poor results in your prior attempts at seeking help, but that is because you were not actually seeking help.

"They" are not out to get you. "They" are not complicit in your problems. "They" are not trying to hide the "truth" from the world. "They" have not manipulated your mind. "They" have not hypnotized you. And there have never been concrete cores in the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York.

Get help. You really, really need it if you ever hope to function rationally in the world.

Helping the infiltrators of the US government is not going to help you or anybody else. The infiltrators already "GOT" 3,000 Americans and are using you to try to create a situation where they can get more.

You are supporting lawlessness.

And, ........ you certainly cannot prove there were steel core columns in the towers. But I can prove there were not, and I've got very strong evidence that there was a concrete core.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

[Christophera]

The picutres during construction clearly show this. Your images of the destruction do not show a concrete core. Sorry. :(

When you say this and do not post the image link you are being lame.

[alexg]

Chris,

If the other CTs that come here had one one thousandth of your stubborness and your thick skin they might actually be trouble. I am actually a little thankfull the most determined one of all has chosen the least compelling argument. You do take the cake.

[LashL]

Helping the infiltrators of the US government is not going to help you or anybody else. The infiltrators already "GOT" 3,000 Americans and are using you to try to create a situation where they can get more.

You are supporting lawlessness.

No, Chris, none of what you have said here is even remotely close to reality. You really need help, and you should seek it out forthwith.

Seriously.

"They" are not out to get you. "They" are not complicit in your problems. "They" are not trying to hide the "truth" from the world. "They" have not manipulated your mind. "They" have not hypnotized you. And there have never been concrete cores in the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York.

Please seek and obtain the assistance that you so obviously and so desperately require.

There were not and never have never been concrete cores in the twin towers. This is indisputable. Your assertions to the contrary, and all of your personal websites, are wholly delusional.

Please seek help.

[Oliver]

I´m a Jellyfish Cook and i smell Jellyfish in this thread. Therefore it was a Jellyfish-Core or Christophera is a Jellyfish.

[Oliver]

Helping the infiltrators of the US government is not going to help you or anybody else. The infiltrators already "GOT" 3,000 Americans and are using you to try to create a situation where they can get more.

You are supporting lawlessness.

And, ........ you certainly cannot prove there were steel core columns in the towers. But I can prove there were not, and I've got very strong evidence that there was a concrete core.

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

Some in the UK still think the WTC tower core was built as shown below. Basically a pre-stressed concrete design. Yamasaki had reviewed the design, and found no contractor that could build a 1,300 foot column of that design. We all know the towers had their stairwells and elevators inside the core. There is no room for that in the core below.

[Christophera]

Some in the UK still think the WTC tower core was built as shown below. Basically a pre-stressed concrete design. Yamasaki had reviewed the design, and found no contractor that could build a 1,300 foot column of that design. We all know the towers had their stairwells and elevators inside the core. There is no room for that in the core below.

So what are your trying to say Ollie?

[Oliver]

So what are your trying to say Ollie?

The Core was made of Jellyfish. Can´t you see. Chrissilie? :D

[Christophera]

Chris,

If the other CTs that come here had one one thousandth of your stubborness and your thick skin they might actually be trouble. I am actually a little thankfull the most determined one of all has chosen the least compelling argument. You do take the cake.

I know for absolute certain of the concrete core. I have proof no steel core columns existed and the same documentary that showed me the concrete core also gave me all teh clues I need to assemble the only web site on the planet that actually provides a feasible and realistic explanation for near free fall and total pulverizaton.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

The other truth seekers just do not know what I know. If they did, they would be right here with me, well some, the ones with courage.

[Oliver]

I know for absolute certain of the concrete core. I have proof no steel core columns existed and the same documentary that showed me the concrete core also gave me all teh clues I need to assemble the only web site on the planet that actually provides a feasible and realistic explanation for near free fall and total pulverizaton.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

The other truth seekers just do not know what I know. If they did, they would be right here with me, well some, the ones with courage.

I've met numerous people that remember the early and very technical 2 hour show. One was a civil engineer who remembers the documentary aired on another cable educational channel in 1995 and remembers the concrete core as they are shown below and labeled "ACTUAL CORE OF WTC TOWERS", but as yet, is not willing to provide a declaration certifying such. The documentary showed us the true concrete core structure of the trade center towers. It aired in 2 segments on consecutive nights. I missed the first 20 minutes of the second one, otherwise I watched it all. Yamasaki's design for a torsion resistant core structure made from non flexible material, steel reinforced cast concrete, won a competition in strength with several others. All steel towers failed high winds because the steel perimeter columns could take the weight but were prone to flexing and the twisting.

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[Christophera]

The Core was made of Jellyfish. Can´t you see. Chrissilie? :D

I'm with Belz on this. Say something worthy or don't post.

[Oliver]

I'm with Belz on this. Say something worthy or don't post.

So you don´t care about the 3000 dead people that were killed by explosive Jellyfish? :mad:

[Oliver]

Below on the left is WTC 1 at sunrise. The view is not looking down the hallways, we look nearly along the long axis of the towers core. The vertical line of light in the lower segment is created by sunlight reflecting off the inner core walls then shining out the core hallway. The steel breakdown inner forms for the concrete left a very smooth and shiny surface on the concrete.

http://algoxy.com/conc/images/wtccoreshilouette.jpg

Only Jellyfish is as transparent as on the picture.

Jellyfish. Definitiv.

[beachnut]

I know for absolute certain of the concrete core. I have proof no steel core columns existed and the same documentary that showed me the concrete core also gave me all teh clues I need to assemble the only web site on the planet that actually provides a feasible and realistic explanation for near free fall and total pulverizaton.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

The other truth seekers just do not know what I know. If they did, they would be right here with me, well some, the ones with courage.

there is not concrete core in the WTC, you have a web site of 9/11 lies

your web site cited has "The United States Government has been infiltrated by secret factions that have conspired "

CT guys running it, plus the core does not look like the WTC, you have been duped

as posted by me, it is run by dolts for 9/11 lies

there is not concrete core in the WTC, you have a web site of 9/11 lies

darn, you have been duped into the concrete core, how do you find sites full of junk, and lies?

The web site you cite has zero on the real core of the WTC, the real core is just steel, covered with wall board, look it up.

http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/project/research/structures/strucfire/CaseStudy/HistoricFires/BuildingFires/worldTradeCenter.htm

good site it tells the real truth, not the 9/11 lie truth

you can figure it out if you care to'

http://www.discover.com/issues/oct-02/features/featbuildings/

more info on why WTC should have had concrete instead of wall board only covering on the steel

Hard to find real sites when you are only looking for your pre ordained truth conclusions

[TheFeds]

In casual conversation the punctuation would mean that the director of the ethics department left because of what I had written and evidenced. I folowed up on the reference that the senior director of the APA provided to find that I was answered by a psychologist from Washington State U that engaged in a series of bogus cognitive distortions.Not "would". Maybe "could", but there is no other part of the letter which would support that idea. In fact, I'll wager that you never communicated with the outgoing director as to his or her reasons for abandoning the post. Did anyone explicitly say that you had anything to do with the director's resignation? If they didn't say it explicitly, I suggest that you don't attribute it to them—that would be, at best, discourteous, and at worst, defamatory.


We need to figue out what is happening in our government. You are not helping the people, you are helping the infiltraors with your current line of action.You're either with us or your're against us. Spoken like the great American statesman and thinker, George W. Bush. If the U.S. government embodied your thought processes, I'd welcome its removal by benevolent infiltrators.

I'm with Belz on this. Say something worthy or don't post.Add this to your list of things to do: "understand and learn to recognize irony".

Also, regarding jellyfish, I have photographic evidence:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/STEncFarpoint.jpg
Notice the starship in the foreground, included for scale. It's as long as the WTC was tall, so these jellyfish must be huge.

Raw evidence of raw jellyfish. It doesn't get any better than that.

[Oliver]

Also, regarding jellyfish, I have photographic evidence:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/STEncFarpoint.jpg
Notice the starship in the foreground, included for scale. It's as long as the WTC was tall, so these jellyfish must be huge.

Raw evidence of raw jellyfish. It doesn't get any better than that.

Thank you very much for the picture that proofs my theory. It´s very hard to argue against all these disinfo-agents within this thread without cool pictures. :D

Here´s another one - with cool descriptions:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Scyphoillustration.jpg

[Christophera]

the real core is just steel, covered with wall board, look it up.

Do you realize how stupid what you have said sounds when looking at this image?

core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

[Oliver]

Do you realize how stupid what you have said sounds when looking at this image?

core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

The Photo is fake - even if i see all the jellyfish within the river.

Look:

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

[beachnut]

I know for absolute certain of the concrete core. I have proof no steel core columns existed and the same documentary that showed me the concrete core also gave me all teh clues I need to assemble the only web site on the planet that actually provides a feasible and realistic explanation for near free fall and total pulverizaton.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

The other truth seekers just do not know what I know. If they did, they would be right here with me, well some, the ones with courage.

if it was a feasible and realistic explanation for the WTC on 9/11 it would win a Pulitzer Prize

call us when they have the prize!

That site is real tin foil to the extreme; Proof, they do not discuss energy stored in the tower due to gravity. It is equal to 248 tons of TNT, the PE is equal to 248 tons of TNT. When the tower fell, they released the energy and destroyed themselves. CD used this very fact to do the exact same thing, why use explosives when you have the building itself to do the work.

Physics is easy, go to your physics teacher, you know the class Charlie Sheen never had, and your local physics teacher can tell you how potential energy and kinetic energy work.

The web site you have offers not a fact on the destruction of the WTC and has no clue about the core.

With just the energy from the building you can account for the damage done. I have not see a 9/11 truth site or person who can discuss the energy without making large errors. They will not correct their mistakes and continue to mislead people.

So if think the energy of 2000 500 pound bombs (each tower has PE of 248 tons of TNT, you know 1,000,000,000,000 joules, see your local physics teacher) is not enough to create the mess at the WTC then you better stick with this tin foil hat site you dug up.

[Oliver]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/STEncFarpoint.jpg

Above: The north jellyfish was oriented east west, so we are looking at the wide side. On the right jellyfish then project that distance down to a cross section. We see, from right to left; a light space from the out side to a dark skin which represents the floor space to the interior tentacles, then there is another narrow light space left of that. That is the space between the interior tentacles and the Rhopalium. Going leftward we see the facing oral arms, then the bell again, then the space between the east jellyfish, then interior tentacles, then space to the east side of the Jellyfish.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Scyphoillustration.jpg

[beachnut]

Do you realize how stupid what you have said sounds when looking at this image?


core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)


does this mean you are sticking with your tin foil hat web site of the concrete core inside the WTC

just steel and wallboard, you know, wall board on the steel to protect from fire, no concete core in the WTC, maybe in the basement, but not in the towers

what floors do you have a Concrete core in your WTC version from the tin foil hat site you cite

[yodaluver28]

I know for absolute certain of the concrete core. I have proof no steel core columns existed and the same documentary that showed me the concrete core also gave me all teh clues I need to assemble the only web site on the planet that actually provides a feasible and realistic explanation for near free fall and total pulverizaton.The other truth seekers just do not know what I know. If they did, they would be right here with me well some, the ones with courage.With all due respect, you don't have courage, you appear to have paranoid schizophrenia. You seem to be a textbook case between seeing nonexistant concrete cores in small, fuzzy photos of the WTC, insisting upon a clear memory of a TV show that no one else on Earth has ever seen or heard of, feeling taunted by people sending you mail that contains the numbers 21, 22, or 23, and the belief that everyone is hypnotized and mind-controlled. These are classic symptoms:

A schizophrenic is a person who cannot distinguish their own intense thoughts, ideas, perceptions and imaginings from reality (the shared perceptions, sets of ideas and values that the vast majority of all other people in that culture hold to be real and actual). Among other symptoms, a person might be hearing voices, or may believe that other people can read their mind and control their thoughts. A person may be unable to follow a logical sequence of thought; their ideas may seem jumbled and make little sense to others. Delusions are beliefs or experiences that others don't share. For instance, many schizophrenics believe that secret agents and other nefarious entities are following them or outside forces are controlling them or putting thoughts into their mind.



I am honestly not attempting to embarrass or ostracize you, but in catching up with this thread it has become apparent to me, and I think everyone else here, that you are mentally ill and I for one will longer engage in abetting your delusional behavior. As terrifying as it may seem right now, there are many decent people in this world who would help you if you only asked. I sincerely hope that you get it eventually. There is no need to live your life in a perpetual state of fear, paranoia, and isolation. I doubt that you'll take any of this advice, but my conscience demanded that I give it anyway. I do wish you the best.

[Oliver]

This is the evidence, Dr Steven Hoax found within a Jellyfish-Restaurant near Ground Zero:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/JellyfishMeal.JPG/800px-JellyfishMeal.JPG

[Oliver]

And here we have a screenshit from a documentary i saw in my childhood about planting the jellyfish-explosives within the towers:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Flower_hat_jellyfishes.jpg

[beachnut]

Do you realize how stupid what you have said sounds when looking at this image?


core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)



Try an educational site, try this site, and the other sites I posted if you would like to not sound like a dolt citing CT sites.

http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/NYTimes91801.htm

The site I post now says:

"But reinforced concrete --concrete with steel bars inside --is heavier. When construction began on the World Trade Center in the late 1960's, concrete was not a viable option because it would have required huge, unwieldy pillars to support the towers' weight. But high-strength concrete developed in recent years has made it more practical.

"The trend is toward more concrete," Dr. Mir said. "The technology has substantially improved. An all-concrete structure would have lasted longer."

http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/NYTimes91801.htm

but if you must be closed minded, stick with your concrete core like the tin foil hat web site who used explosives on every floor to give us 9/11, silent explosives, not the normal CD type of RDX with the distinctive loud report that sounds like explosive should, but silent explosive, secret silent explosive yet to be reveled by Alex Jones' secret web site!

So what is it truth or tin foil hat rant from web sites put together by pyhsics class dropouts, who PE an KE are alien terms.

[Oliver]

PE an KE are alien terms.

PE and KE are Jellyfish-Terms. You should know that when arguing here.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Scyphoillustration.jpg

[beachnut]

PE and KE are Jellyfish-Terms. You should know that when arguing here.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Scyphoillustration.jpg

okay, yet I was posting about Dr SH and how I thought he retired

ready for those terms, or should we keep that secret?

[Oliver]

okay, yet I was posting about Dr SH and how I thought he retired

ready for those terms, or should we keep that secret?

I´m sorry, you´re right. It´s important evidence to support the Jellyfish-conspiracy. :)

[Oliver]

I witnessed the construction of the concrete core by watching a 2 hour documentary that aired on channel 10, KCET in southern California in 1990. Over an hour of it was basically about the concrete core becuase it was the real challenge in the construction, It was called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". I've been a welder for 35 years and worked as a survey for a civil engineer for 20 years often doing layout for concrete contractors. I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting. Also, operated heavy equipment on demo projects.


I know this documentary. It´s the same that showed all the different types of Jellyfish-thermite-devices:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Schleiden-meduse-2.jpg/403px-Schleiden-meduse-2.jpg

[beachnut]

I´m sorry, you´re right. It´s important evidence to support the Jellyfish-conspiracy. :)

more important may be when I can post sick jelly fish dish photos; okay some make like the jelly fish dish for dinner, and it could be the jelly fish has more backbone then Alex the Jelly Fish from Davy Jones, yet, how many post does it take to make the jpg dance

[beachnut]

I witnessed the construction of the concrete core by watching a 2 hour documentary that aired on channel 10, KCET in southern California in 1990. Over an hour of it was basically about the concrete core becuase it was the real challenge in the construction, It was called "The Construction of the Twin Towers". I've been a welder for 35 years and worked as a survey for a civil engineer for 20 years often doing layout for concrete contractors. I've also worked with high explosives doing above ground blasting. Also, operated heavy equipment on demo projects.

What is your experience and sources of information?

you got the wrong show, the WTC still had no core of concrete, just steel and wallboard

[Oliver]

more important may be when I can post sick jelly fish dish photos; okay some make like the jelly fish dish for dinner, and it could be the jelly fish has more backbone then Alex the Jelly Fish from Davy Jones, yet, how many post does it take to make the jpg dance

No no no, Alex Jones does have more Backbone like the Jellyfish but only for one reason - to hold the bullhorn. But on the other hand you´re right. :D

You mean Jelly-Fish-Dish like this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/JellyfishMeal.JPG/800px-JellyfishMeal.JPG

[beachnut]

No no no, Alex Jones does have more Backbone like the Jellyfish but only for one reason - to hold the bullhorn. But on the other hand you´re right. :D

You mean Jelly-Fish-Dish like this?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/32/JellyfishMeal.JPG/800px-JellyfishMeal.JPG

yes

the bullhorn, the great speeches from the bullhorn, why do I have the feeling someone is going to punch out Alex Jones next time he insults the wrong person, or does he only pick on small people?

i can look up the terms to figure when my photos will be allowed

[Oliver]

yes

the bullhorn, the great speeches from the bullhorn, why do I have the feeling someone is going to punch out Alex Jones next time he insults the wrong person, or does he only pick on small people?

i can look up the terms to figure when my photos will be allowed

Okay, take a look up to the terms of our evidence. I guess no one will kick or punch Alex Jones. Since 9/11 he has a black dressed smurf-brigade protecting him. :boggled:

[beachnut]

Do you realize how stupid what you have said sounds when looking at this image?


core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)


I said there is a steel core covered in wall board, just the truth

you say you believe a tin foil hat site that can not even read or understand the references it cites that do not support what they say, because they must be thinking the 4 inch concrete floors on the steel pan floors are part of the core or something. Your web site is not a very good source of anything, except on of the reference debunks the whole site premise of the concrete core for you. Good luck finding it, you have been using this site all year long, is it your site? If it is your site, you need help.

if you would actually look at the stuff the tin foil hat truthers have referenced it usually debunks them for you, it becomes self critiquing if you actually read what is there to be read; do not expect the tin foil hat sites to help, they can not read, for the most part those who say others do not have open minds, those guys may want to hunt down their brain which left when they opened their minds a little too wide, their brains must of left for better prospects

[Christophera]

if it was a feasible and realistic explanation for the WTC on 9/11 it would win a Pulitzer Prize

You are deluded, if the legal system of checks an balances cannot work, I refer to the destruction of evidence in capitol crimes and the inactivity of checks and balances, you cannot propose that the sociocultural systems are going to be more functional.


That site is real tin foil to the extreme; Proof, they do not discuss energy stored in the tower due to gravity. It is equal to 248 tons of TNT, the PE is equal to 248 tons of TNT. When the tower fell, they released the energy and destroyed themselves.

nutbeach,

Which site? You are not keeping your references in order.

The structure stood for 33 years with its stored gravity equal to 248 tons of TNT. The impacts did not bring the towers down and the fires were not hot enough to bring them down. Don't try to argue it because that will not be reasonable. I am familiar with every argument you might bring and you do not even have proof of the structure you think stood. Before arguing, bring raw evidence of the steel core columns.

No, words will not do. Images of the steel core columns 500 feet off the ground in the core area is all that will do.

Or, can you find a reference to any object ever that suddenly released its gravitational energy and destroyed itself without a qualified reason for the event?

[Christophera]

you got the wrong show, the WTC still had no core of concrete, just steel and wallboard

Empty words and these images prove it because IF steel core columns existed they would be seen in these images.

Here is the concrete core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

Here is a segment of the concrete shear wall (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif)

Here is the rebar (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg) where some explosives failed and others did the job of removing the concrete leaving the vertical reinforcing bar.


Why can I produce evidence of the concrete core that also proves there were no steel core columns but you can produce no evidence of the steel core columns existence?

One guess.

There were no steel core columns.
They are a lie.

[Oliver]

You are deluded, if the legal system of checks an balances cannot work, I refer to the destruction of evidence in capitol crimes and the inactivity of checks and balances, you cannot propose that the sociocultural systems are going to be more functional.

This is the same i thought about it.

The structure stood for 33 years with its stored gravity equal to 248 tons of TNT.

Correct.

The impacts did not bring the towers down and the fires were not hot enough to bring them down.

See. We agree with each other.

Don't try to argue it because that will not be reasonable. I am familiar with every argument you might bring and you do not even have proof of the structure you think stood. Before arguing, bring raw evidence of the steel core columns.

These are my words - there is no evidence to support the trashy steel-core CT.

No, words will not do. Images of the steel core columns 500 feet off the ground in the core area is all that will do.

Very well researched, Chris.

Or, can you find a reference to any object ever that suddenly released its gravitational energy and destroyed itself without a qualified reason for the event?

Off course - it was Jellyfish that caused the explosions. See:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Jellyfish_Washed_Ashore.jpg/800px-Jellyfish_Washed_Ashore.jpg

[beachnut]

Empty words and these images prove it because IF steel core columns existed they would be seen in these images.

Here is the concrete core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

Here is a segment of the concrete shear wall (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif)

Here is the rebar (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg) where some explosives failed and others did the job of removing the concrete leaving the vertical reinforcing bar.


Why can I produce evidence of the concrete core that also proves there were no steel core columns but you can produce no evidence of the steel core columns existence?

One guess.

There were no steel core columns.
They are a lie.

those are photos of the steel core columns, so why are you showing me proof of steel core columns?

you prove yourself wrong with your own photo

by the way, the other photos you have of rebar, are actually the floor supports

all the photos of construction show the steel columns, but you have failed to pay attention, you have been doing this for how long, since May?

[Oliver]

you prove yourself wrong with your own photo

Uh oh... Don´t make little chris angry... :eye-poppi

[Skibum]

Oliver, you make a very persuasive arguement. Thank you for opening my eyes. Your theory has far, far more RAW evidence than Christophers.

I am deeply indebted to you, I now KNOW it was a jellyfish core.

You now have one more believer than Chris does. Good job.

Danke

[beachnut]

Empty words and these images prove it because IF steel core columns existed they would be seen in these images.

Here is the concrete core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

Here is a segment of the concrete shear wall (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif)

Here is the rebar (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg) where some explosives failed and others did the job of removing the concrete leaving the vertical reinforcing bar.


Why can I produce evidence of the concrete core that also proves there were no steel core columns but you can produce no evidence of the steel core columns existence?

One guess.

There were no steel core columns.
They are a lie.

you posted the same photos showing steel core columns, a few time in the same post

yes you have steel core columns with no concrete standing for a few seconds, and then the steel core columns fall

did you fail to see the sites I posted, and how they explain in simple terms there was not concrete core just the steel core columns you keep showing me over and over again

neat

[Oliver]

Oliver, you make a very persuasive arguement. Thank you for opening my eyes. Your theory has far, far more RAW evidence than Christophers.

I am deeply indebted to you, I now KNOW it was a jellyfish core.

You now have one more believer than Chris does. Good job.

Danke

Follow me and let´s spread the Word against all these "Evil-Do-ers" and their caramel- or whatever cores! http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/violent083.gif

[Powa]

The infiltrators already "GOT" 3,000 Americans and are using you to try to create a situation where they can get more.
Why are you still alive, Chris? Surely, if "they" already killed 3,000 Americans, what's stopping them from making you "disappear"? You've been spreading the truth for years and "they" still haven't gotten around to silencing you? :rolleyes:

Why are you not hiding somewhere, fearing for your life? Do you want your children to lose their father???

WON'T YOU THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN????????

[Oliver]

you posted the same photos showing steel core columns, a few time in the same post

yes you have steel core columns with no concrete standing for a few seconds, and then the steel core columns fall

did you fail to see the sites I posted, and how they explain in simple terms there was not concrete core just the steel core columns you keep showing me over and over again

neat

I need a littlebit support for the Jellyfish-Theory. Maybe you can help me a littlebit while i fake all the nessesary evidence. :D

[Oliver]

Why are you still alive, Chris? Surely, if "they" already killed 3,000 Americans, what's stopping them from making you "disappear"? You've been spreading the truth for years and "they" still haven't gotten around to silencing you? :rolleyes:

Why are you not hiding somewhere, fearing for your life? Do you want your children to lose their father???

WON'T YOU THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN????????

Protest here:

I protest the garbage dump at /conspiracy theory
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=66877

[Bubbers]

You are guessing while not providing links to the sites or images of the basic tower structures that NIST says stood. Nor has a feasible explanation of free fall been linked to or offered.


Nobody is guessing anything. There is no need to prove how a free fall happened when it is clear from the shots of the building collapsing(these can be seen in the documentary which gave you the idea that it was) that the debris that is falling off the sides of the building is falling faster than the collapse itself. That debris is falling at free fall speed. The building is not.

[Oliver]

Nobody is guessing anything. There is no need to prove how a free fall happened when it is clear from the shots of the building collapsing(these can be seen in the documentary which gave you the idea that it was) that the debris that is falling off the sides of the building is falling faster than the collapse itself. That debris is falling at free fall speed. The building is not.

Muhawawawaw.... This argument has been posted 5957 replies ago within this thread. :D

[qarnos]

Muhawawawaw.... This argument has been posted 5957 replies ago within this thread. :D

Who will get post #6000?

[Oliver]

Who will get post #6000?

Me and the Jellyfish. :D

[beachnut]

Empty words and these images prove it because IF steel core columns existed they would be seen in these images.

Here is the concrete core (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

Here is a segment of the concrete shear wall (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif)

Here is the rebar (http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg) where some explosives failed and others did the job of removing the concrete leaving the vertical reinforcing bar.


Why can I produce evidence of the concrete core that also proves there were no steel core columns but you can produce no evidence of the steel core columns existence?



One guess.

There were no steel core columns.
They are a lie.

WARNING, there is not concrete core only look at these photos if you have a high speed connection, and if you want to see no concrete just steel core! Beware you may not see the steel columns if you are a true tin foil hat Charlie Sheen fiend. WARNING

look here to see the core columns to the left

Core columns (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4544/wtccorewp2.jpg)

oops read this then click for more core columns

This construction photograph of the North Tower shows that the core structures consisted of bundles of columns cross-linked by horizontal and diagonal members. (http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2489/wtccorecolumnsmoreoa1.jpg)

No concrete just steel, two points, game match set

[Oliver]

What time is it, Christophera?

[Oliver]

Who will get post #6000?

How does this work to include images within the signature? Using the [img] Tag?

[beachnut]

The structure stood for 33 years with its stored gravity equal to 248 tons of TNT. The impacts did not bring the towers down and the fires were not hot enough to bring them down.


the impact damaged many of the supports and knocked off fire proofing, the fire weakened the steel and the PE was released as seen on 9/11.

I have proof it happened, you have tin foil hat sites of junk science whose references debunk the sites. Try it out check all the references on your site of 9/11 truth you have posted over and over, and you will find debunking facts, even of your concrete core in your fantasyland

[beachnut]

The structure stood for 33 years with its stored gravity equal to 248 tons of TNT. The impacts did not bring the towers down and the fires were not hot enough to bring them down. Don't try to argue it because that will not be reasonable. I am familiar with every argument you might bring and you do not even have proof of the structure you think stood. Before arguing, bring raw evidence of the steel core columns.




The real life The lead structural engineer reflects on the rise and fall of the World Trade Center towers. Leslie E. Robertson said,

”It appears that about 25,000 people safely exited the buildings, almost all of them from below the impact floors; almost everyone above the impact floors perished, either from the impact and fire or from the subsequent collapse. The structures of the buildings were heroic in some ways but less so in others. The buildings survived the impact of the Boeing 767 aircraft, an impact very much greater than had been contemplated in our design (a slow-flying Boeing 707 lost in the fog and seeking a landing field). Therefore, the robustness of the towers was exemplary. At the same time, the fires raging in the inner reaches of the buildings undermined their strength. In time, the unimaginable happened . . . wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the fires, both of the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed. “

Fires are what killed the WTC, as stated by Robertson.

The lead structural engineer. The EXPERT. Go find another one. In Jones paper he says no steel structure has ever fallen due to fire! FALSE; Madrid Windsor building, the parts of the Windsor building without concrete around the steel like the WTC fell. The entire building was too weak to keep! Jones and the truth movement are all basically telling lies and misleading all who lemming like follow.

Fires are what killed the WTC, as stated by Robertson.

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dca202e856.jpg

[beachnut]

The structure stood for 33 years with its stored gravity equal to 248 tons of TNT. The impacts did not bring the towers down and the fires were not hot enough to bring them down. Don't try to argue it because that will not be reasonable. I am familiar with every argument you might bring and you do not even have proof of the structure you think stood. Before arguing, bring raw evidence of the steel core columns.



for the learning impaired, like me I shall repeat what a real expert said about this ----

The original structural engineering Leslie E. Robertson design for an aircraft
impact, but it was a slow speed landing configuration, 7 to 10 times less
energy at impact than the 9/11 impacts!


The original structural engineering Leslie E. Robertson said it was the 10,000
gallons of fuel they failed to consider (besides the order of magnitude larger
crash). Based on the design of the WTC, it is amazing the towers remained
standing as long as they did, surviving a impact blast 10 times greater than
design.


Leslie E. Robertson is a structural engineer who has designed hundreds of
buildings around the world including the World Trade Center.


Leslie E. Robertson, , said:
"The twin towers of the World Trade Center were designed to resist safely the
impacting by the largest aircraft of that time...the intercontinental version
of the Boeing 707. In no small measure because of the high level of
competence of the men and women of LERA, each of the towers resisted the
impact of an aircraft larger than the 707. Yes, fire brought down the towers,
but the structural integrity created by the engineers of LERA allowed perhaps
thousands of persons to evacuate the buildings prior to the fire-induced
collapse." http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/LesRobertson.html (http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/LesRobertson.html)


Leslie E. Robertson, , said: on being hit by a commercial jet -
" It appears that about 25,000 people safely exited the buildings, almost all
of them from below the impact floors; almost everyone above the impact floors
perished, either from the impact and fire or from the subsequent collapse. The
structures of the buildings were heroic in some ways but less so in others.
The buildings survived the impact of the Boeing 767 aircraft, an impact very
much greater than had been contemplated in our design (a slow-flying Boeing
707 lost in the fog and seeking a landing field). Therefore, the robustness of
the towers was exemplary. At the same time, the fires raging in the inner
reaches of the buildings undermined their strength. In time, the unimaginable
happened . . . wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the
fires, both of the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed."

http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument (http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument)


Leslie E. Robertson, , said: more on design for jet impact –
" The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear
industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It
was assumed that the jetliner would be lost in the fog, seeking to land at JFK
or at Newark. To the best of our knowledge, little was known about the effects
of a fire from such an aircraft, and no designs were prepared for that
circumstance. Indeed, at that time, no fireproofing systems were available to
control the effects of such fires."

http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument (http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument)

More on Robertson -

http://interactive.wsj.com/fr/emailthis/retrieve.cgi?d=SB1002665463810757240.djm (http://interactive.wsj.com/fr/emailthis/retrieve.cgi?d=SB1002665463810757240.djm)

http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/LERPresentation.htm (http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/LERPresentation.htm)

Energy junk thrown in for free, the following are approximate energy;;; You can calculate the energy yourself – 707 impact design WTC was 386,215,069
joules (185 pounds of TNT) – WTC flight 11 impact 2,743,309,041 joules (1,311
pounds of TNT) - Flight 175 impacts 4,322,978,167 joules (2066 pounds of
TNT) – B-25 at Empire State Building impact 84,967,480 joules (41 pounds of
TNT)

A quick review
The original structural engineering Leslie E. Robertson said; -design of WTC included an impact only of a "slow-flying Boeing 707."

-"wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the fires, both of
the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed"

your own photo post contradict you own conclusions about a concrete core and the original designer of the WTC contradict your ideas, now who are we going to trust

You are short of knowledge and judgment on this subject.

[Oliver]

for the learning impaired, like me I shall repeat what a real expert said about this ----

The original structural engineering Leslie E. Robertson design for an aircraft
impact, but it was a slow speed landing configuration, 7 to 10 times less
energy at impact than the 9/11 impacts!


The original structural engineering Leslie E. Robertson said it was the 10,000
gallons of fuel they failed to consider (besides the order of magnitude larger
crash). Based on the design of the WTC, it is amazing the towers remained
standing as long as they did, surviving a impact blast 10 times greater than
design.


Leslie E. Robertson is a structural engineer who has designed hundreds of
buildings around the world including the World Trade Center.


Leslie E. Robertson, , said:
"The twin towers of the World Trade Center were designed to resist safely the
impacting by the largest aircraft of that time...the intercontinental version
of the Boeing 707. In no small measure because of the high level of
competence of the men and women of LERA, each of the towers resisted the
impact of an aircraft larger than the 707. Yes, fire brought down the towers,
but the structural integrity created by the engineers of LERA allowed perhaps
thousands of persons to evacuate the buildings prior to the fire-induced
collapse." http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/LesRobertson.html (http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/LesRobertson.html)


Leslie E. Robertson, , said: on being hit by a commercial jet -
" It appears that about 25,000 people safely exited the buildings, almost all
of them from below the impact floors; almost everyone above the impact floors
perished, either from the impact and fire or from the subsequent collapse. The
structures of the buildings were heroic in some ways but less so in others.
The buildings survived the impact of the Boeing 767 aircraft, an impact very
much greater than had been contemplated in our design (a slow-flying Boeing
707 lost in the fog and seeking a landing field). Therefore, the robustness of
the towers was exemplary. At the same time, the fires raging in the inner
reaches of the buildings undermined their strength. In time, the unimaginable
happened . . . wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the
fires, both of the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed."

http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument (http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument)


Leslie E. Robertson, , said: more on design for jet impact –
" The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear
industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It
was assumed that the jetliner would be lost in the fog, seeking to land at JFK
or at Newark. To the best of our knowledge, little was known about the effects
of a fire from such an aircraft, and no designs were prepared for that
circumstance. Indeed, at that time, no fireproofing systems were available to
control the effects of such fires."

http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument (http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB?OpenDocument)

More on Robertson -

http://interactive.wsj.com/fr/emailthis/retrieve.cgi?d=SB1002665463810757240.djm (http://interactive.wsj.com/fr/emailthis/retrieve.cgi?d=SB1002665463810757240.djm)

http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/LERPresentation.htm (http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/LERPresentation.htm)

Energy junk thrown in for free, the following are approximate energy;;; You can calculate the energy yourself – 707 impact design WTC was 386,215,069
joules (185 pounds of TNT) – WTC flight 11 impact 2,743,309,041 joules (1,311
pounds of TNT) - Flight 175 impacts 4,322,978,167 joules (2066 pounds of
TNT) – B-25 at Empire State Building impact 84,967,480 joules (41 pounds of
TNT)

A quick review
The original structural engineering Leslie E. Robertson said; -design of WTC included an impact only of a "slow-flying Boeing 707."

-"wounded by the impact of the aircraft and bleeding from the fires, both of
the towers of the World Trade Center collapsed"

your own photo post contradict you own conclusions about a concrete core and the original designer of the WTC contradict your ideas, now who are we going to trust

You are short of knowledge and judgment on this subject.

Seems to me that Chris is not interested in arguing today. :confused:

[beachnut]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dca202e856.jpg

darn jelly fish are all over

notice you have the core, the floor, and the shell, plus some jf stuff

[Oliver]

darn jelly fish are all over

notice you have the core, the floor, and the shell, plus some jf stuff

Shells were also involved? Holy Cow. :eek:

How could they survive all the time within the core? :confused:

[beachnut]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dca202e856.jpg


proof, the jelly fish are going to the core, next to the floor, surrounded by the shell

now tell me, is this al clad steel structure just a big lightning rod or what?

can you show this non-concrete core structure to the concrete for brains core guy?

quick post of photo work ..

I can not find that rebar concrete guy was talking about in the core, nor can I find the concrete in the core, but I see some big columns in the core, made of steel those things are columns, lots of them, gee

[beachnut]

Shells were also involved? Holy Cow. :eek:

How could they survive all the time within the core? :confused:

do not show the core photo to the concrete core head guy

he could die seeing that many steel columns all in the core without the wallboard on yet, he may die from steel column overload

notice how everyone is looking at the jelly fish arriving

[Oliver]

proof, the jelly fish are going to the core, next to the floor, surrounded by the shell

now tell me, is this al clad steel structure just a big lightning rod or what?

can you show this non-concrete core structure to the concrete for brains core guy?

quick post of photo work ..

I can not find that rebar concrete guy was talking about in the core, nor can I find the concrete in the core, but I see some big columns in the core, made of steel those things are columns, lots of them, gee

Off course you can´t find any indications for a concrete core. It was a Jellyfish core and even Chris knows that but he is soooooo shy. Thats by he decribes it as concrete core to make it sound more masculine... :boggled:

[Oliver]

BTW: Chris? Are you there?

[beachnut]

Seems to me that Chris is not interested in arguing today. :confused:


this has to be old stuff to you guys

just looking up what the real experts said about his own building, the real stuctual guy who designed the building, he was really upset

chris better read what Robertson said, I am tried wasting time reading his web site which debunks itself, which is typical of truth sites

[Skibum]

I can not find that rebar concrete guy was talking about in the core, nor can I find the concrete in the core, but I see some big columns in the core, made of steel those things are columns, lots of them, gee

Those "columns" are obviously just the framework that the supporting jellyfish are attached to. If you look at the photo you can see the guy sitting on the beam just beginning to attach the first jellyfish to the form. In his left hand you will notice the large knitting needle that is use to interlace the tentacles of the jellyfish into a single structure.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dca202e856.jpg

[Oliver]

Those "columns" are obviously just the framework that the supporting jellyfish are attached to. If you look at the photo you can see the guy sitting on the beam just beginning to attach the first jellyfish to the form. In his left hand you will notice the large knitting needle that is use to interlace the tentacles of the jellyfish into a single structure.

D@mn - even i didn´t recognized the knitting needles before. :eek: It starts to make sense know, even to me... :D

[beachnut]

Or, can you find a reference to any object ever that suddenly released its gravitational energy and destroyed itself without a qualified reason for the event?

yes, my brother,

he was using a pulley to go up a tree

he grabbed the same side of the rope he was on, and suddenly fell to earth, releasing all the PE he had stored pulling himself up the tree and broke his neck

The WTC was hit by a fast aircraft, crippled it burned with the help of 10,000 gallons of accelerant, and then failed and it fell, releasing all the PE creating the scene you see at the WTC.

[Oliver]

this has to be old stuff to you guys

just looking up what the real experts said about his own building, the real stuctual guy who designed the building, he was really upset

chris better read what Robertson said, I am tried wasting time reading his web site which debunks itself, which is typical of truth sites

But it does not explain the conspiracy why he´s here at JREF at all. :confused:
Covering the Jellyfish explosives?

[beachnut]

D@mn - even i didn´t recognized the knitting needles before. :eek: It starts to make sense know, even to me... :D

look at the floor attached to the core and the shell

I am going to check out any buildings I work in and sneak a peek

this building is very unique (despite the JF flying in)

[beachnut]

BTW: Chris? Are you there?

you can tell me the truth

Chris will never acknowledge the steel columns will he?

Maybe I can not handle the truth?

What if the truth movement was in charge? Would there be truth schools to learn how to accept lies and repeat them endlessly like NAZI stooges?

Would there be death camps run by Alex Jones, (just listening to Alex Jones is torture) for those who will not believe the "truth" (sorry for any who worship alex)?

[Oliver]

look at the floor attached to the core and the shell

I am going to check out any buildings I work in and sneak a peek

this building is very unique (despite the JF flying in)

But where did the flying Jellyfish came from and did you recogniezed the red Laser-dot in the top left corner of the image?

[beachnut]

But where did the flying Jellyfish came from and did you recogniezed the red Laser-dot in the top left corner of the image?

the red dot

i am still looking for the concrete core

[beachnut]

But where did the flying Jellyfish came from and did you recogniezed the red Laser-dot in the top left corner of the image?

that is laser level for the earth reference

but where is the concrete core

[Skibum]

But where did the flying Jellyfish came from
http://www.mundonick.com/canal/series/spongebob/includes/downloads/wallpaper/jellyfish_800.gif

[Bubbers]

Muhawawawaw.... This argument has been posted 5957 replies ago within this thread. :D


Okay guy. Then why is the quote that I replied to not the first one on here? I know it was said in the second post that they didn't fall at free fall speed. I was just throwing in my two cents because apparently all of the conspiracy theorists like to preach about using common sense when it would appear that none of them have fully functional eyes. The saddest part is that it was said in the second post, and that should have been it right there. Look at the title of the thread. Tell them where to look to see that they didn't fall at free fall speed and maybe they will shut up, though we know they never will, so all 6,000 posts on here really are entirely worthless when you really think about it. He asked for an explanation, and no explanation you could give him would be good enough, just like with every one of the theories that they have.

[Oliver]

Here´s the magnification of the flying Jellyfish:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dd6295736f.jpg

[beachnut]

Those "columns" are obviously just the framework that the supporting jellyfish are attached to. If you look at the photo you can see the guy sitting on the beam just beginning to attach the first jellyfish to the form. In his left hand you will notice the large knitting needle that is use to interlace the tentacles of the jellyfish into a single structure.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dca202e856.jpg

I was looking for the concrete core

No Concrete Core

Just Steel Columns

chris the concrete guy is going to be upset, just rusty columns, rust, and al siding = thermite stuff, oops, do not tell him wall board has sulfur in it or we will be deep in thermate soon

[Oliver]

http://www.mundonick.com/canal/series/spongebob/includes/downloads/wallpaper/jellyfish_800.gif

Oh GOD, NOOO! Mr SPONGEBOBSTEIN WAS INVOLVED? :eek:

[Skibum]

Oh GOD, NOOO! Mr SPONGEBOBSTEIN WAS INVOLVED? :eek:

Patrick and Sandy were as well. What do you think they did before they made it as TV stars?

[beachnut]

Okay guy. Then why is the quote that I replied to not the first one on here? I know it was said in the second post that they didn't fall at free fall speed. I was just throwing in my two cents because apparently all of the conspiracy theorists like to preach about using common sense when it would appear that none of them have fully functional eyes. The saddest part is that it was said in the second post, and that should have been it right there. Look at the title of the thread. Tell them where to look to see that they didn't fall at free fall speed and maybe they will shut up, though we know they never will, so all 6,000 posts on here really are entirely worthless when you really think about it. He asked for an explanation, and no explanation you could give him would be good enough, just like with every one of the theories that they have.

darn, you already answered this?

but he got hooked on his every present concrete core BS

the concrete core that is now infected with jellyfish, rust, al siding, and wall board (sulfur content), which adds up to thermate jelly, the most explosive stuff since "pull it" for gas release ploys, etc

[beachnut]

The best explanation I've heard is that it WASN'T FREE FALL!

The acceleration rate was only maybe 2/3 of that for a free fall.

There is another maxim that says:
You don't need an explanation for something that didn't happen.

this was the answer!

darn

and chris had me looking for his concrete core

[Oliver]

Patrick and Sandy were as well. What do you think they did before they made it as TV stars?

Stay calm ... a new photo was published by the FBI - showing the masterminds running away from the crime szene. :eye-poppi

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dd7da083f6.jpg

[beachnut]

Okay guy. Then why is the quote that I replied to not the first one on here? I know it was said in the second post that they didn't fall at free fall speed. I was just throwing in my two cents because apparently all of the conspiracy theorists like to preach about using common sense when it would appear that none of them have fully functional eyes. The saddest part is that it was said in the second post, and that should have been it right there. Look at the title of the thread. Tell them where to look to see that they didn't fall at free fall speed and maybe they will shut up, though we know they never will, so all 6,000 posts on here really are entirely worthless when you really think about it. He asked for an explanation, and no explanation you could give him would be good enough, just like with every one of the theories that they have.


but it is a challenge, no not a challenge just what you find when you follow his web site posts and find that they debunk themselves with their own references

but you are correct, each time you hit the truth the next lie tangent pops up and he then tells you there is no core, the PE of the building can't be released, etc, etc etc

It could be a thesis topic to just follow this BS

[beachnut]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dca202e856.jpg

did the jelly fish eat the core concrete and rebar and extrude the steel columns?

Chris

no concrete core

just steel columns

[Oliver]

did the jelly fish eat the core concrete and rebar and extrude the steel columns?

Chris

no concrete core

just steel columns

...And Jellyfish!

[Oliver]

But who are these guys and what was their part of the plan? :confused:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107453dd90c280cb.jpg

[beachnut]

But it does not explain the conspiracy why he´s here at JREF at all. :confused:
Covering the Jellyfish explosives?

he posted this stuff back in may over some place else, found it when I looked up concrete core or lack there of

so as the noted Dr Thermite Jones, who just retired so he can devote his time to 9/11 truth, you must not let him know how the jelly fish eats the rust after gathering Al from the siding and some sulfur from the wall board, then takes this explosive thermate and slimes the core

think this was star trek episode

[Skibum]

Me and the Jellyfish. :D

Maybe, maybe not.