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Christophera

14th December 2006, 08:24 PM

Everybody knows Chris is not going to present any useful evidence. No new, relevant information has been put on the table for at least 100 pages. Its gotten to be a very old dance. I'm gonna hang in till we hit 10000 posts just for the heck of it, then I, for one, am outta here.

You can try to blame my evidence for your inability to use it, but because the deniers of the concrete core do not have any for the steel core columns, you cannot blame me for not being able to provide absolutely, logical explanations for what you THINK is evidence for steel core columns, when such explanations are totally consistent with the evidence I have for the concrete core.

We have just under 8000 posts from deniers to evidence this fact. The thread is a raging success. Thank you all.

SezMe

14th December 2006, 08:33 PM

Great post to got out on Arus.

I'm toast here. Buh-bye.

mortimer

14th December 2006, 08:49 PM

Several core columns at elevation from the collapse. Don't even try to tell me they are massive box columns.

defaultdotxbe

14th December 2006, 08:50 PM

aw shucks too late

http://www.arus.org/album/albums/userpics/10001/balloons-aj.jpg

i went to my fridge to get a beer for the big 10k and when i came back we're on 10k +2

...i feel like i just missed new years :(

Christophera

14th December 2006, 08:58 PM

Several core columns at elevation from the collapse. Don't even try to tell me they are massive box columns.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4512&d=1166158057

If you had read the thread you would know I've already shown that. The rectangular proportions of the wall of interior box columns (just before core blast, concrete shear wall left of steel) (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg) matches that of that formed by the floor beams and the "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg).

It is actually quite easy to see that the core area is empty. The image just before that shows the lower concrete core exploding. (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg)

The interior box columns on that side had cutting charges (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/steelbeamcuttingfloors.gif)

Bell

14th December 2006, 09:05 PM

i went to my fridge to get a beer for the big 10k and when i came back we're on 10k +2

...i feel like i just missed new years :(

Sucks... I wanted to be around for the 10k... Oh well...

I think I'm done here as well. There's no point arguing Chris. I'll keep an eye on the thread though.

Oh, and Chris...

GET HELP!! (http://www.hhs.gov/)

mortimer

14th December 2006, 09:13 PM

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4512&d=1166158057

If you had read the thread you would know I've already shown that. The rectangular proportions of the wall of interior box columns (just before core blast, concrete shear wall left of steel) (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg) matches that of that formed by the floor beams and the "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg).

It is actually quite easy to see that the core area is empty. The image just before that shows the lower concrete core exploding. (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg)

The interior box columns on that side had cutting charges (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/steelbeamcuttingfloors.gif)

Chris, I've read the thread. I've been here from the beginning. I believe I told you not to say they were interior box columns. Please pay attention. These are CORE COLUMNS. No concrete core in sight.

NobbyNobbs

14th December 2006, 09:38 PM

Perhaps you have not noted that there is good reason to believe that the US is still a British Colony in some ways.

:jaw-dropp

We have just under 8000 posts from deniers to evidence this fact. The thread is a raging success. Thank you all.

:eye-poppi

I wonder if meeting Christophera in person for lunch would be fascinating, or frightening.

You know, since we've reached 10,000 posts, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to concede. You win, Christophera. It was a concrete core. It was 3" by 4' rebar. It was interior box columns, or whatever. George Bush pressed the button to blow it up. We were all hypnotized. And if my job application goes through and I get hired, I'll be an agent of the U.S. government and I guess that means I'm in on it too. You were right all along.

Congratulations. Bye now.

Christophera

14th December 2006, 10:02 PM

Chris, I've read the thread. I've been here from the beginning. I believe I told you not to say they were interior box columns. Please pay attention. These are CORE COLUMNS. No concrete core in sight.

Say what you want, I know what was there.

I posted the image that shows the concrete blowing up (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8232/wtcsl8.jpg) and there is noting inside the core. One can easily see the spire is the corner of the core
(http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/media/56016/site1074.jpg)

Christophera

14th December 2006, 10:04 PM

i went to my fridge to get a beer for the big 10k and when i came back we're on 10k +2

...i feel like i just missed new years :(

My 2294th post got the 10k post, and it was good post too. Better than that beer. At least brew your own, that way the preservatives won't pickle you. That corporate brew is deadly.

Mobyseven

14th December 2006, 10:39 PM

My 2294th post got the 10k post, and it was good post too. Better than that beer. At least brew your own, that way the preservatives won't pickle you. That corporate brew is deadly.

[nature documentary]Notice how on the 10010th post, the conspiritos lunacus introduces yet another conspiracy theory, to keep things interesting for those who would prey on it...[/nature documentary]

Arus808

14th December 2006, 10:41 PM

Since this thread is over, can we just post pics of cats? I love cats...

mortimer

14th December 2006, 11:26 PM

I like puppies.

Christophera

14th December 2006, 11:33 PM

Since this thread is over, can we just post pics of cats? I love cats...

OMG! The thread is just beginning.

Just when the flight traffic controller comes forward to explain why there were no interceptions.

http://theblogs.net/user/911review/14982/Boston+Air+Traffic+Controller+Says+911+An+Inside+J ob.html

hcmom

14th December 2006, 11:38 PM

We have just under 8000 posts from deniers to evidence this fact. The thread is a raging success. Thank you all.

It really made my night to see Chris rise to the momentous occasion!

Arus808

15th December 2006, 12:03 AM

Chris, Im sorry but the thread is over. You haven't proven anything that you claim.

so its now time for cats and puppies

http://www.arus.org/album/albums/userpics/10001/cause_this_is_thrillah.jpg

Architect

15th December 2006, 02:43 AM

CHRIS: YOU'VE LOST

GIVE UP

TRY BAUTFORUM OR SOMETHING (they'll slaughter you there as well)

PerryLogan

15th December 2006, 03:48 AM

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1223345828b0817c7b.jpg

Belz...

15th December 2006, 04:45 AM

You still haven't produced one image showing any of the supposed steel core columns at some elevation above ground from the demo images.

Yes, we have.

Belz...

15th December 2006, 04:54 AM

Your selectivity exposes your disinterest in the truth. I have an image which you cannot explain of 500 feet of concrete dust.

Fixed

I have not ignored you images of steel in the core area. I have explained it logically in 2 different ways as being elevator guide rail support steel.

Two different ways ? Which one is the RIGHT way ?

We know the elevators had to have guide rails.

We also know they had to be built AFTER the shafts.

We know that steel core columns ARE VERY STRONG. That, theoretically is why they exist.

Same goes for the concrete. Are you saying the concrete cannot be destroyed, either ?

You're the one who claimed that the exterior columns were cut into neat little transportable lenghts. Why couldn't they do this with the core columns ?

If they we steel core columns and NO elevator guide rail supports the WOULD be seen protruding from the core area of WTC 2. (http://amanzafar.no-ip.com/WTC/wtc41.JPG)

They are not. Therefore they are not steeel core columns,

Circular reasoning.

Since the towers did have a "tube in a tube" construction, and steel reinforced cast concrete tube inside of a steel framework in a tubular configuration fits the description of the constrcution about as good as can be, the towers had a steel reinforced cast concrete core.

MORE circular reasoning.

Any effort to present your images of construction showing vertical steel and label them "core columns IS misrepresentation of evidence. Is illogical and without rational, reasonable basis.

What does logic have to do with that ?

If I was discussing this issue with reasonable, logical and accountable people about 200 posts would have done it. Because of idiotic posts of cata, dogs, counting beers on the walls and baking recipes, we are approaching ten thousand posts.

Actually, there are over 2000 posts that are basically a repost of the same post, so you're more to blame than anyone else.

I logically showed that the explanation you describe was illogical because no steel core column ends are seen protruding.

And I have argued that none SHOULD be seen. Or are you contending that the perps couldn't have cut the core columns with explosives ?

This image shows that the interior box columns were strong enough to stand hundreds of feet on their own.

That's because you have DECIDED to call them box columns.

Belz...

15th December 2006, 04:58 AM

The rectangular proportions of the wall of interior box columns (just before core blast, concrete shear wall left of steel) (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg) matches that of that formed by the floor beams and the "MASSIVE BOX COLUMNS" (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/interiorboxcolumnsarrow.jpg).

Chris, how thick were the box columns, and how thick would hypothetical core columns have been ?

Say what you want, I know what was there.

Huh ? So we CAN'T see any concrete, and this is your answer ??

My 2294th post got the 10k post

Nope. Unless YOU'RE Arus.

JonnyFive

15th December 2006, 05:29 AM

Well, that sure was entertaining. Pity I missed the big send off, but I do sometimes do things outside this forum.

Sorry, Chris, you didn't convince me in the slightest (except that you can't argue for jack doodle). I think you pretty well lost this thread.

Maybe when you find the PBS documentary on tape somewhere you can make a new one.

Also, in the future, try not to slip into insult mode whenever someone disagrees with you.

Puppies are all right, but I prefer kittens (http://www.animal-world.com/encyclo/featured_pets/Dog_Cat/madcat/kitten.jpg)!

Peace out, yo!

uruk

15th December 2006, 06:59 AM

My 2294th post got the 10k post, and it was good post too. Better than that beer. At least brew your own, that way the preservatives won't pickle you. That corporate brew is deadly.

And yet another mistake by the Chrismiester.
This was the 10kth post by Arus808:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2177381&postcount=10000

Let's see how Chris weasels and dances his way out of that one.

firecoins

15th December 2006, 08:14 AM

JonnyFive

15th December 2006, 08:16 AM

Big Al

15th December 2006, 08:32 AM

It's fun to watch him wriggle and add newly-remembered "facts" to try to refute specific points, such as memories from the fabled Documentary. I followed the long, long Lucianarchy "Ladybrooke" thread last year before I became a member with a sick fascination, and that wasn't anywhere near as much fun as Chris' "unassailable" "logic".

Christophera

15th December 2006, 10:18 AM

CHRIS: YOU'VE LOST

GIVE UP

TRY BAUTFORUM OR SOMETHING (they'll slaughter you there as well)

You wouldn't know a success if you participated in the opposing failure.

Maybe other posters here will hire you to design doghouses and cat lounge facilties.

Christophera

15th December 2006, 10:23 AM

Chris has said from post 1 that he won't be convinced. You have provided proof that the WTC were steel core buildings beyond any doubt. Chris has choosen to hang on to his looney theories. WHy has this thread lasted this long?

Because we're all masochists/sadists and this gives us sick pleasure.

Finally some correct logic from jonny, but fireloins hasn't yet been able to stop hallucinating steel core column protruding, bent and broken, leaning and snapped off from the top of the WTC 2 concrete core. (http://amanzafar.no-ip.com/WTC/wtc41.JPG)

Arus808

15th December 2006, 10:26 AM

Christophera

15th December 2006, 10:28 AM

And yet another mistake by the Chrismiester.
This was the 10kth post by Arus808:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2177381&postcount=10000

Let's see how Chris weasels and dances his way out of that one.

Well homer, I guess you are right this time, but probably ony by a few seconds.

At least you are totally wrong about the concrete core, and no amount of misrepresented evidence is going to change that.

Maybe I'l get the 20k post.

Christophera

15th December 2006, 10:32 AM

Chris, Im sorry but didn't you see the 10,000 th post? We are no longer going to debate you when you've provide no proof of what you claim. This is now a thread about cats and dogs....that is until a mod comes by and closes it (which should have been done on the first page).

Can you please show us where the steel core columns are protruding from the top of the WTC 2 core area. (http://amanzafar.no-ip.com/WTC/wtc41.JPG).. There were 47 of them, and they were 1300 feet long, something will be protruding IF they existed.

Oh, ....... and please provide an explanation for the unifom, solid structure in that image which is exactly the core area.

Christophera

15th December 2006, 10:37 AM

Chris, how thick were the box columns, and how thick would hypothetical core columns have been ?

The interior box columns were 2 feet thick and surrounded the concrete core.
(http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif)

I have no idea of what size the fictitious core columns are supposed to be. That is one of the great problems with trying to support their existence. There is NO evidence of them of any kind that fits the structure exposed in the demolition.

Architect

15th December 2006, 10:39 AM

YOU LOST

GO AWAY

(they WILL slaughter you at Bauforum. I give you an hour)

uruk

15th December 2006, 10:57 AM

Well homer, I guess you are right this time, but probably ony by a few seconds. See Chris, that didn't hurt much at all did it. See how cathartic it is to own up to a mistake?
Now all you have to do is apply that the rest of your drivel.

At least you are totally wrong about the concrete core, and no amount of misrepresented evidence is going to change that.

Maybe I'l get the 20k post.
I guess you've been ignoring quite a few posts. Well that the next thing you need to work on.

Try reading this again:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2177143&postcount=9988

uruk

15th December 2006, 10:59 AM

Can you please show us where the steel core columns are protruding from the top of the WTC 2 core area. (http://amanzafar.no-ip.com/WTC/wtc41.JPG).. There were 47 of them, and they were 1300 feet long, something will be protruding IF they existed.

Oh, ....... and please provide an explanation for the unifom, solid structure in that image which is exactly the core area.
Where's the "massive box columns" protruding from the core in that picture you keep posting? or are you saying that they don't exist either.

uruk

15th December 2006, 11:01 AM

The interior box columns were 2 feet thick and surrounded the concrete core.
(http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif)

I have no idea of what size the fictitious core columns are supposed to be. That is one of the great problems with trying to support their existence. There is NO evidence of them of any kind that fits the structure exposed in the demolition.
Try reading here:
http://guardian.150m.com/wtc/small/eng-news-record.htm
They go into detail.

uruk

15th December 2006, 11:04 AM

YOU LOST

GO AWAY

(they WILL slaughter you at Bauforum. I give you an hour)

On that note. I think I will bid adieu too.

Don't ever change Chris. You're too funny.

Arus808

15th December 2006, 11:08 AM

aw shucks too late

http://www.arus.org/album/albums/userpics/10001/balloons-aj.jpg
(http://www.arus.org/album/albums/userpics/10001/balloons-aj.jpg)

Anyone have more images of kittens? Im building up my collection.

mortimer

15th December 2006, 12:08 PM

Anyone have more images of kittens? Im building up my collection.

What is Cats in Sinks? It's obvious. It's about cats. And kittens. Who like sinks. And basins. (http://www.catsinsinks.com)

Bell

15th December 2006, 12:50 PM

Meow! Me is in Chris his pjooter! Help!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Computer-kitten.jpg/800px-Computer-kitten.jpg

Arus808

15th December 2006, 12:53 PM

How about at Cat in a Rack?
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1596/catsnrackspv9.jpg

or this rack

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9369/cattenundrackenbg3.jpg

Christophera

15th December 2006, 01:21 PM

Yes, we have.

I have shown logically that those are misrepresentations and that they actually consist of interior box columns.

Meaning you still have no evidence.

Architect

15th December 2006, 01:54 PM

You Lost!!

Go Away!!

Christophera

15th December 2006, 02:28 PM

I have not ignored you images of steel in the core area. I have explained it logically in 2 different ways as being elevator guide rail support steel.

Two different ways ? Which one is the RIGHT way ?

They are both right because they are both reasonable, logical explanations.

1.)It is well known that contracts depended on elevators reaching as far up as possible in the towers. So it is logical that occasionally elevator guide rail supprt steel would extend above false floors and be seen in aerials.

2.)Since the images of the core during the towers demise do not show protruding core columns, the misrepresented elevator guide rail suppoprt steel are not "core columns" because core columns are by necessity, very strong and would survive to be seen.

It is a done deal. There is no forensic evidence for the steel croe columns and the evidence for the concrete core shows that no steel core columns existed.

You have no competent evidence in this discussion.

JimBenArm

15th December 2006, 02:30 PM

How about at Cat in a Rack?
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/1596/catsnrackspv9.jpg

or this rack

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9369/cattenundrackenbg3.jpg

There's a cat in the second picture? Didn't see it...

bonavada

15th December 2006, 02:38 PM

it's knockout pussy for me from now. and lot's of it...............

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8748458322e7dd2ab.jpg

BV

Bell

15th December 2006, 02:40 PM

What rack?

http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/errrrrrrg.jpg

bonavada

15th December 2006, 03:07 PM

rack-man-enuff

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/874845832b20aaaba.jpg

BV

bonavada

15th December 2006, 03:38 PM

KITTYCORE!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87484583318caabf4.jpg

BV

Bell

15th December 2006, 03:48 PM

Hello?

Got core (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Kätzchen.JPG)?

Babylon Sister

15th December 2006, 04:26 PM

Let's not forget www.dailykitten.com

Mancman

15th December 2006, 05:05 PM

Chris, run!
http://i14.tinypic.com/2eedfgi.jpg

Bell

15th December 2006, 05:13 PM

Damn Belz... for taking second place. Damn him to hell!

uruk

15th December 2006, 05:30 PM

KITTYCORE!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/87484583318caabf4.jpg

BV
Run!!!!! It's CATZILLA!!!!!!!!!

Look at the size of that pussy.........cat!!

Christophera

15th December 2006, 05:54 PM

You're the one who claimed that the exterior columns were cut into neat little transportable lenghts. Why couldn't they do this with the core columns ?

No, I calim the interior box columns were cut into approximtely 40 foot lengths and it was effected by very efficient cutting charges (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/steelbeamcuttingfloors.gif) built into the floors.

Since there was not much flooring in the core, there was nothing to house the containment system for the cutting charges in the core. Without super efficient cutting charges, cutting the supposed core columns, also supposedly box shaped, would require perhaps 40 pounds of high density high explosive per cut. That explosive would have to be in direct contact with the steel. For 47 1300 foot columns this requires upwards of 1300 cuts.

Do the math and you will find that is about 26 tons of uncontained high explosive going off. This, ....... will completely change the character of the event that was seen.

beachnut

15th December 2006, 06:27 PM

No, I calim the interior box columns were cut into approximtely 40 foot lengths and it was effected by very efficient cutting charges (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/steelbeamcuttingfloors.gif) built into the floors.

Since there was not much flooring in the core, there was nothing to house the containment system for the cutting charges in the core. Without super efficient cutting charges, cutting the supposed core columns, also supposedly box shaped, would require perhaps 40 pounds of high density high explosive per cut. That explosive would have to be in direct contact with the steel. For 47 1300 foot columns this requires upwards of 1300 cuts.

Do the math and you will find that is about 26 tons of uncontained high explosive going off. This, ....... will completely change the character of the event that was seen.

It would be funny if you had some proof. Do you have some proof?

firecoins

15th December 2006, 09:00 PM

It would be funny if you had some proof. Do you have some proof?
Of course not. Just post pictures of cats crawling is some woman's bra

Christophera

15th December 2006, 10:29 PM

It would be funny if you had some proof. Do you have some proof?

The nature of the cut on the columns is easy to prove. (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg) That is not a chop saw, not a band saw, not a torch cut. There were hundreds of them all uniform lengths with those smoot square cuts.

Sheared Columns (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg)

No problem proving how many interior box columns were cut at uniform lengths with square cut ends.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4032&d=1163315538

defaultdotxbe

15th December 2006, 10:34 PM

The nature of the cut on the columns is easy to prove. (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg) That is not a chop saw, not a band saw, not a torch cut. There were hundreds of them all uniform lengths with those smoot square cuts.

Sheared Columns (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg)

No problem proving how many interior box columns were cut at uniform lengths with square cut ends.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4032&d=1163315538
were the core columns 42 1300 foot solid peices of steel, or were they composed of smaller peices?

Christophera

15th December 2006, 10:42 PM

were the core columns 42 1300 foot solid peices of steel, or were they composed of smaller peices?

The 47 supposed 1300 foot core columns were basically one piece by virtue of being 100% welded in butt joints.

defaultdotxbe

15th December 2006, 10:43 PM

The 47 supposed 1300 foot core columns were basically one piece by virtue of being 100% welded in butt joints.
and every single weld was as strong or stronger than solid steel?

Christophera

16th December 2006, 12:26 AM

and every single weld was as strong or stronger than solid steel?

Basically yes. When welding tempered steel the weldment is high tensile, usually 7018 low hydrogen rod. When the steel is overloaded and breaks the weld does not give, the steel next to it tears away from the main piece. In the case of tempered steel the break/tear/bend/snap is usually very ragged and any lack of symetry in loading causes the tear to veer off at angles which makes very ragged separations.

I've repaired a few impliments on heavy equipment that exhibit this.

28th Kingdom

16th December 2006, 02:52 AM

Chrstophera...

Glad to see someone else spreading the truth on these boards.

Good Job

Zep

16th December 2006, 03:16 AM

Chrstophera...

Glad to see someone else spreading the truth on these boards.

Good Job28K, in saying this about ChristopherA, do you have ANY idea how badly you have prejudiced your already tenuous position?

Can I suggest a little research by you is in order? Then a VERY smart retraction?

Or you can ignore this warning at your own peril, of course! Don't say you haven't been told, OK? ;)

apathoid

16th December 2006, 03:49 AM

Chrstophera...

Glad to see someone else spreading the truth on these boards.

Good Job

Start reading from about pages 30 to 60 and tell me if you still feel the same way.

28th Kingdom

16th December 2006, 05:15 AM

I haven't read any of Christophera's other posts minus the ones on this page, however...I take it that he thinks 9/11 is an inside job, if he doesn't...than, yes I was mistaken.

Bell

16th December 2006, 05:22 AM

I haven't read any of Christophera's other posts minus the ones on this page, however...I take it that he thinks 9/11 is an inside job, if he doesn't...than, yes I was mistaken.

You? Mistaken?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/Cat_yawning.jpg

Christophera

16th December 2006, 10:26 AM

Chrstophera...

Glad to see someone else spreading the truth on these boards.

Good Job

28th Kingdom,

I appreciate the recognition. I am a firm believer that sitting around discussing these issues with those that think as I do, or who agree with me is a waste of time. What will that change? Minds that have assimilated gross deceptions and manipulations in obiedient mimickry need to see that other people can use reason and logic independently of the "group mind" and make it work with reality in a way that improves it for everyone.

beachnut

16th December 2006, 10:37 AM

Chrstophera...

Glad to see someone else spreading the truth on these boards.

Good Job

I haven't read any of Christophera's other posts minus the ones on this page, however...I take it that he thinks 9/11 is an inside job, if he doesn't...than, yes I was mistaken.

If you have read all of Chris's stuff then produce some evidence of the Concrete Core.

You need medical help 28th, seek it now.

Architect

16th December 2006, 10:50 AM

aw shucks too late

http://www.arus.org/album/albums/userpics/10001/balloons-aj.jpg

CHRIS YOU'VE LOST
PUSH OFF

Bell

16th December 2006, 10:52 AM

Please, cat pictures only!

A W Smith

16th December 2006, 11:05 AM

Did you know that if every single post in this thread alone was represented as one inch gain in altitude that this post here would be 839 feet high? I think Im feeling ill.

hcmom

16th December 2006, 11:25 AM

Chrstophera...

Glad to see someone else spreading the truth on these boards.

Good Job

I haven't read any of Christophera's other posts minus the ones on this page, however...I take it that he thinks 9/11 is an inside job, if he doesn't...than, yes I was mistaken.

Hmmmmm...so based on six of Chris' posts, six kitten posts, and two kitten links, 28th Kingdom forms an opinion of a thread that is over 10,000 posts long.

Yep, that pretty much sums up everything that keeps me coming back here...

hcmom

16th December 2006, 11:31 AM

I am a firm believer that sitting around discussing these issues with those that think as I do, or who agree with me is a waste of time. What will that change?

Chris, does that mean that you feel you are not wasting your time here with us? Ummm...your delusions about the concrete core are trivial, compared to your impression of what's happening here...

Minds that have assimilated gross deceptions and manipulations in obiedient mimickry need to see that other people can use reason and logic independently of the "group mind" and make it work with reality in a way that improves it for everyone.We're trying as hard as we can Chris. It would help if you'd cooperate a little!

Architect

16th December 2006, 11:33 AM

HCMom: Cat pictures Only.

uruk

16th December 2006, 12:07 PM

The nature of the cut on the columns is easy to prove. (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg) That is not a chop saw, not a band saw, not a torch cut. There were hundreds of them all uniform lengths with those smoot square cuts.
Sheared Columns (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg)
Those column sections have been obviously prepped for shipping to some location. Oh and they're not 40 feet long. Look at the hard hat sitting on top of the column. They have to be 10 or 15 feet long.

No problem proving how many interior box columns were cut at uniform lengths with square cut ends.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4032&d=1163315538

You need to have your eyes checked if you think those columns are at uniform lengths.
Oh and:

Architect

16th December 2006, 01:00 PM

Uruk: let it lie. Just the cats next time!

Big Les

16th December 2006, 04:36 PM

JREFers, meet Cobweb:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_8452458490a636f15.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=3167)

He's in training as a cat-sceptic. So far he's proving a slow learner, a little like ol' Chris. But way cuter.

Bell

16th December 2006, 04:47 PM

Why is Cobweb looking so sad?

Big Les

16th December 2006, 05:10 PM

He's been reading Chris' threads. I know, I'm cruel; but he has to learn somehow.

A W Smith

16th December 2006, 07:02 PM

No matter how many times this cat flushes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6497257644936185526&q=cat&hl=en

Chris still wont go away

Christophera

16th December 2006, 08:21 PM

You need to have your eyes checked if you think those columns are at uniform lengths.
Oh and:

Look again, this time look at the correct image.

Those column sections have been obviously prepped for shipping to some location. Oh and they're not 40 feet long. Look at the hard hat sitting on top of the column. They have to be 10 or 15 feet long.

homer,
The uniform lengths refer to the below photo.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4032&d=1163315538

This image is to show the surface of the cut not the length.

Sheared Columns (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg)

How you could connect the far end which is a salvage "safety" cut, with the word "uniform", is beyond me.

Christophera

16th December 2006, 08:36 PM

We know the elevators had to have guide rails.

We also know they had to be built AFTER the shafts.

Yes, you couldn't actually install the elevators until the guide rail supports are fixed to the interior of the concrete core.

However that wouldn't stop you from setting up the support steel inside the core while the reinforcing steel of the concrete shear wall is run and forming of the core. then whenthe core is cast and cured, you are all ready to connect the guide rail supports to the core wall and extend your elevator service up another 4 floors.

firecoins

16th December 2006, 10:09 PM

While a regular yoga practice and diligent effort to avoid triggers can stave off many a headache, sometimes it's useful to try other treatments. Prescription-only preventative medicines can reduce the number and intensity of attacks. Drugs that are called acute or abortive therapies can stop a headache attack in its tracks, and several natural remedies may offer relief. Though over-the-counter medications such as acetaminophen and ibuprofen often reduce the pain if they're taken at the onset of an attack, they can make headaches worse if overused, and they are not effective for everyone. Many headache sufferers find relief through biofeedback (http://www.yogajournal.com/health/894_1.cfm?ctsrc=waterfrontmedia), which can teach sufferers to control the body's unconscious and automatic responses to stress, such as blood pressure changes, muscle tension, and changes in heart rate. Though some health care practitioners question biofeedback's value, a five-year retrospective study by the Diamond Headache Clinic in Chicago found that 85 percent of adult participants who learned biofeedback techniques showed significant symptom reduction in severity, duration, and frequency of headaches

Architect

17th December 2006, 05:41 AM

Chris

You lost.

GO AWAY AND WASTE SOMEONE ELSE'S TIME

MortFurd

17th December 2006, 10:09 AM

hcmom

17th December 2006, 11:22 AM

Pretty much anything would fit in here ok...

firecoins

17th December 2006, 02:05 PM

Ya' know, I think this is a mis-post aimed at a different thread.

It still fits in quite well.
No I did not mis post. I got spam and posted the message.

Bell

17th December 2006, 02:34 PM

http://www.rakemag.com/today/yoivanhoe/archive/spam%20cat.jpg

bonavada

17th December 2006, 03:42 PM

TEISENNAU RHYTHON

1qtCockles
1 oz butter
1oz Oatmeal
1 egg
Cooking fat
2 pt water
3ozFlour salt

Leave the cockles to stand in slightly salted water sprinkled with oatmeal overnight. Drain and scrub thoroughly to remove grit and dirt. Place in a saucepan ot salted water and boil for 3 minutes until the shells open. When coo! remove the coekles from their shells. Rub the butter into the flour and add a pinch of salt. Separate the egg yolk and beat lightly. Add the egg yolk and water to the flour and beat until the batter is smooth. Heat the cooking fat in a deep pan and using a spoon dip the cockles one at a time in the batter and drop into the fat. When golden brown and crisp all over, remove from fat. Serve with brown bread and slices of lemon.

BV

Bell

17th December 2006, 04:09 PM

Poffertjes
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Poffertjes.jpg

Poffertjes are a traditional Dutch batter treat. Poffertjes look like tiny pancakes, but they are much sweeter. In contrast with pancakes, poffertjes are turned before one side is completely done, which results in a much softer core than pancakes have.

Typically, poffertjes are served with powdered sugar and butter.
Poffertjes are not hard to prepare but a special pan is needed. This is a special cast-iron or copper pan with several shallow indentations in the bottom. In restaurants large, special plates are often used to prepare poffertjes. Restaurant chefs are quite skilled in turning the almost baked poffertjes with a fork.

Ingredients

125 grams of flour
125 grams of buckwheat flour
300 ml milk or water
1/2 spoon of syrup
1 egg
10 grams of (dried) yeast
a little bit of salt
75 grams of melted butter
powdered sugar

Instructions

Dissolve the yeast in some milk.
Put the flour through a sieve, make a small hole in the middle of flour and pour the milk with yeast into it.
Starting in the center add the remainder of the milk, meanwhile whirling the dough. Finally add the egg.
Put the dough away for 30 minutes.
Place the pan on the stove and grease the pan with butter when it's hot. Add a little bit of dough in every place, only fill them half way.
Just before the topside of the poffertjes is completely dry, turn it around. It should let go easily. Wait till the other side also has a nice golden brown color.
Put them on a plate and dust them with the powdered sugar, till they are completely covered with sugar, and put a small piece of butter on top, this should melt.
Serve immediately.

Variation
Poffertjes can also be baked without yeast and thus without the waiting time, but they do not turn out as nice. They can also be served with strawberries, for added tastiness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poffertjes

hcmom

17th December 2006, 04:13 PM

Those look GOOD!

And I think I might finally see a concrete core...

Bell

17th December 2006, 04:17 PM

Those look GOOD!

And I think I might finally see a concrete core...

I like poffertjes better than pancakes. Allthough pancakes with bacon are really good. To bad I haven't had poffertjes in a very long time :(

Arus808

17th December 2006, 04:47 PM

speaking of cats...

I miss having Manapua

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3874/manapualrgwl2.gif

Manapua is Hawaiian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language) slang for the Chinese food (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cuisine) cha siu bau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cha_Siu_Baau) (pork-filled bun). The word does not mean "chewed-up" (mana) "pork" (puaʻa) in the Hawaiian language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_language), as its spelling suggests. Rather, the current form is a shortening of meaʻono-puaʻa, meaning "pork cake" (meaʻono = "cake"). In the US mainland, the Chinese term is commonly used. The Chinese brought this dim sum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dim_sum) item with them when they were brought over as plantation workers. This food usually consists of a white bun with a red-colored shredded pork (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork) filling. The bun is occasionally baked, but is more frequently steamed when it is made. Manapua has come to mean any meat-filled or bean-paste-filled bun made with the same dough as described above including locally created versions with hot dogs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dogs), Curry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry) chicken (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken), and even Ube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ube) (purple yam), which is a popular vegetarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian) version of the manapua. In Hawaii, freshly prepared or prepackaged frozen manapua may be found in dedicated bakeries, restaurants, and chain convenience stores. In related Hawaiian slang, another dim sum item typically found along with manapua, siu maai (also shumai), a steamed dumping of pork inside a thin wheat flour wrapper, is known by the local term pork hash.

Recipe : http://www.recipezaar.com/53643

Yummy warm, pork hash core...

jsfisher

17th December 2006, 05:37 PM

Finally, this thread is beginning to make some sense.

uruk

17th December 2006, 07:36 PM

Look again, this time look at the correct image.

homer,
The uniform lengths refer to the below photo.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4032&d=1163315538
I was also.
The columns are at different lengths in that photo. If you can't see that, you might need glasses

Oh and:

Architect

18th December 2006, 03:11 AM

Uruk; quit with the columns mate. Nice cat photo, though.

bonavada

18th December 2006, 07:32 AM

http://www.leitesculinaria.com/images/shim.gifTo go with the cockles..........

Laver or purple laver (also known as black butter, purple seavegetable, or sloke) is scientifically known as Porphyra umbilicalis. In Chinese it's jee choy; in Gaelic it's sleabchan, sleabhach, or sleadai; in Swedish it's veckad purpurtang — although it's best known, culinarily, as nori, the dried sheets of seaweed used to wrap maki-type sushi. Other Porphyra species that have been used as food include P. linearis, P. tenera, and P. yezoensis.
They're harvested in winter at low tide, when they're found attached to vertical surfaces such as rocks or piers. Laver is prepared in the British Isles by slow simmering, as long as five hours, to form a thick gelatinous puree. It can be purchased online in canned form from Wales Direct (http://www.wales-direct.com/).
Laver bread, or Bara Lawr as it known in Wales, is usually served with bacon and/or cockles, the bacon being from the back not the side of the pig, more like Canadian bacon than American bacon.
The recipe is almost absurdly simple:

1. Combine four parts prepared laver (either fresh or canned) with one part finely cut oatmeal. Do not use American-style rolled oats.
2. Form mixture into small cakes, about 2 inches in diameter and 3/4-inch thick. Roll in additional oatmeal to coat.
3. Fry in hot bacon fat until golden brown.
4. Drain on paper towel and serve.

Laver bread seasoned with a little freshly squeezed orange juice is sometimes served as an accompaniment to Welsh mutton, a high-quality meat from small local sheep. A paste of prepared laver flavored with lemon juice, olive oil, salt and pepper is also spread on fried bread to form a sort of Celtic crostini.
Nutritionally, laver is a very desirable food, yielding high protein (15–37%), low fat (less than 2.5%), good vitamin C, calcium, and iodine, along with traces of other minerals.

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Big Al

18th December 2006, 08:58 AM

Sounds almost as convincing as Christophera! :D

Bell

18th December 2006, 09:00 AM

I think we're done here.

*FIN*

bonavada

18th December 2006, 04:35 PM

apt and classic

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BV

Belz...

19th December 2006, 04:27 AM

The interior box columns were 2 feet thick and surrounded the concrete core.

I have no idea of what size the fictitious core columns are supposed to be. That is one of the great problems with trying to support their existence. There is NO evidence of them of any kind that fits the structure exposed in the demolition.

So, what you're saying is that the core columns could easily have been 2 feet thick as well, making them indistinguishable from box columns at a distance ?

Belz...

19th December 2006, 04:35 AM

I haven't read any of Christophera's other posts minus the ones on this page, however...I take it that he thinks 9/11 is an inside job, if he doesn't...than, yes I was mistaken.

So... it doesn't matter what he believes, as long as he agrees about the inside job thing ?

Way to go for the truth.

Belz...

19th December 2006, 04:36 AM

I have shown logically that those are misrepresentations and that they actually consist of interior box columns.

"Logically" ? You have CLAIMED that they are box columns, chris, using that to SUPPORT the existence of the concrete core. Therefore, the supposed existence of the core cannot be used to prove that they are box columns, unless you enjoy circular reasoning.

They are both right because they are both reasonable, logical explanations.

It is a done deal. There is no forensic evidence for the steel croe columns and the evidence for the concrete core shows that no steel core columns existed.

Oh, so you didn't mean "two different ways" you meant "two reasons". Please express yourself properly in the future.

No, I calim the interior box columns were cut into approximtely 40 foot lengths and it was effected by very efficient cutting charges built into the floors.

So they cut the exterior columns, the box columns AND blew up the concrete ? That's a lot of unheard explosions...

Do the math and you will find that is about 26 tons of uncontained high explosive going off. This, ....... will completely change the character of the event that was seen.

Yes, indeed. It would've looked completely different. Ergo, no explosives.

No problem proving how many interior box columns were cut at uniform lengths with square cut ends.

You're funny, chris. We can clearly see different lenghts on your picture.

and every single weld was as strong or stronger than solid steel?

Basically yes.

Now that's a lie.

Yes, you couldn't actually install the elevators until the guide rail supports are fixed to the interior of the concrete core.

However that wouldn't stop you from setting up the support steel inside the core while the reinforcing steel of the concrete shear wall is run and forming of the core.

Why, yes. Yes it would.

Belz...

19th December 2006, 04:37 AM

Ah... recipes and cats again.

I promise, once I get fed up with this thread, I'll simply leave, instead of posting unrelated stuff for no reason.

hcmom

19th December 2006, 07:48 AM

...I promise, once I get fed up with this thread...

You have an incredible tolerance level!!!

Belz...

19th December 2006, 09:04 AM

I do have a question, though, hcmom.

Why purple ?

Powa

19th December 2006, 09:26 AM

Damn good question.

hcmom

19th December 2006, 10:10 AM

Funny, my question would be --

With all those colors available, why black?

Even 'tho it's not a particularly pretty color of purple, I figure it's easier on everyone's eyes than hot pink, or light blue, both of which I like better... And when I started here, I guess I hadn't realized that I'd be different by using a color. People bitched for a while, but they've stopped mostly, so they've either gotten used to it, or given up on me...

Belz...

19th December 2006, 12:04 PM

why black?

Default, mom. Default.

firecoins

19th December 2006, 12:12 PM

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hcmom

19th December 2006, 12:20 PM

Default, mom. Default.

It really isn't that tough to click the little color button...

aggle-rithm

19th December 2006, 12:24 PM

Powa

19th December 2006, 12:45 PM

Hcmom, I'm really sorry about your daltonism.

hcmom

19th December 2006, 12:50 PM

Huh? I see the colors just fine! I like bright cheerful colors...

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19th December 2006, 02:21 PM

you want to see concret cores?

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19th December 2006, 03:01 PM

If Hackensack were on the same side of the continent that I'm on, I'd probably show up...

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hcmom

19th December 2006, 03:21 PM

For the life of me, I can't figure out where to send the check...

I swear....as I was scrolling down, I was planning on responding by saying, "So, did you buy some?"...

19th December 2006, 05:35 PM

I swear....as I was scrolling down, I was planning on responding by saying, "So, did you buy some?"...

LMAO!

I checked the header on it... The title of that email was "View Photo's of [Local-Síngles] From Your City".
That's the ONLY clue I have as to what the hell they were selling...

RandFan

19th December 2006, 08:13 PM

No matter how many times this cat flushes

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6497257644936185526&q=cat&hl=en

Chris still wont go awaySome crap just won't go down.

hcmom

19th December 2006, 09:41 PM

I'm starting to feel sorry for Chris a little... I picture him sitting somewhere with his head in his hands, muttering "OOhhhh, my thread...what happened to my wonderful thread?..."

Powa

19th December 2006, 11:36 PM

Wonderful? Not the word I would choose, but hey...

hcmom

20th December 2006, 12:40 AM

I was channeling Chris... not saying that I thought it was wonderful!

Powa

20th December 2006, 12:56 AM

I'm starting to feel sorry for Chris a little... I picture him sitting somewhere with his head in his hands, muttering "OOhhhh, my thread...what happened to my wonderful thread?..."
I bet Chris is somewhere celebrating his victory in this thread.

Mobyseven

20th December 2006, 05:24 AM

I bet Chris is somewhere celebrating his victory in this thread.

Bedlam, maybe?

Powa

20th December 2006, 05:49 AM

Bedlam, maybe?
Had to google it, but good guess. :D

JonnyFive

20th December 2006, 05:51 AM

I bet Chris is somewhere celebrating his victory in this thread.

"Yes... I finally convinced them to wake up... except the disinfo agents... which were everyone except me, se7ensnakes, and 28th Kingdom... ha ha ha..."

Anyway, I invite everyone to join the fight! (http://kittenwar.com/)

Support the kittens! (http://kittenwar.com/) Fight the power! (http://kittenwar.com/)

CONCRETE CORE! (http://kittenwar.com/)

Blue Mountain

20th December 2006, 04:30 PM

Oliver

20th December 2006, 04:44 PM

Bell

20th December 2006, 04:48 PM

I think Chris got committed.

Oliver

20th December 2006, 05:02 PM

I think Chris got committed.

To prison? Or to a medical institute? :confused: G U A N T A N A M O? :eek:

Christophera

20th December 2006, 05:49 PM

So, what you're saying is that the core columns could easily have been 2 feet thick as well, making them indistinguishable from box columns at a distance ?

We had a total lapse of internet service at my house. New modem and routers are in and service is up.

Yes the ficticious core columns could have beeen any size. And would be indistinguisable except for the location of the columns. We never see any columns in the core area, which is the major point I make.

Even if folks cannot see concrete when what is seen can only be concrete, (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif) they definitely never see steel columns in the core area.

Oliver

20th December 2006, 05:56 PM

We had a total lapse of internet service at my house. New modem and routers are in and service is up. *snip*

Mhmmkaaaay. What´s the name of the guy who fixed it? http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11107451db56d36f14.gif

Christophera

20th December 2006, 07:51 PM

They are both right because they are both reasonable, logical explanations.

It is a done deal. There is no forensic evidence for the steel core columns and the evidence for the concrete core shows that no steel core columns existed.

"Logically" ? You have CLAIMED that they are box columns, chris, using that to SUPPORT the existence of the concrete core. Therefore, the supposed existence of the core cannot be used to prove that they are box columns, unless you enjoy circular reasoning.

Jones makes the mistake and calls these interior box columns core columns when it is obvious the photo does not look into the core area.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtcacrossfloor.box.cols.jpg

Is it logical that the contractors would demand elevator service as far up in the towers as is possible?

I think so.

Is it logical that IF the vertical steel seen in the core area from construction photos ARE core columns, THEN, since core columns are of the strongest elements of the towers that at least some would survive to be seen in the demolition photos?

I think so.

If you think not. Explain yourself.

Christophera

20th December 2006, 09:15 PM

Yes, you couldn't actually install the elevators until the guide rail supports are fixed to the interior of the concrete core.

However that wouldn't stop you from setting up the support steel inside the core while the reinforcing steel of the concrete shear wall is run and forming of the core

Why, yes. Yes it would.

Your response is not logical. Explain yourself.

Arus808

20th December 2006, 09:30 PM

chris, im sorry, but this is a thread for cats and recipes. since you've offerred nothing...please come back when you have a decent recipe or of cute cats to post.

NickUK

20th December 2006, 09:39 PM

My personal speciality:-

Feta Parcels

Shopping List

Frozen filo pasty sheets
Greek Feta Cheese
Fresh Oregano Plant
1 Egg
Sesame Seeds

Making

1. Defrost filo pastry sheets completely before use

2. Cut up authentic Greek feta cheese into 1" cubes- HAS to be Greek. No offence, Oliver, but that German stuff is just shaite.

3. Cut single filo sheets into 6" x 6" squares.

4. Place 1 cube of feta per filo square.

5. Sprinkle chopped fresh oregano on top.

6. Fold the filo square around the cheese and squeeze it quite hard until it becomes nicely stuck together.

7. Glaze with a small amount of egg yolk and dust over with sesame seeds.

8. 7-10 minutes in a medium oven.

Do this all the time at dinner parties - the mrs loves it :)

Christophera

20th December 2006, 09:48 PM

Quote:
and every single weld was as strong or stronger than solid steel?
Basically yes.

Now that's a lie.

It wouldn't be a lie it would be an error. Get your terms clear.

But it is not an error. When the proper weldment is used the weld is basically stronger that the steel it welds. The only variation is voids which is the reason X-ray is used.

Christophera

20th December 2006, 09:50 PM

chris, im sorry, but this is a thread for cats and recipes. since you've offerred nothing...please come back when you have a decent recipe or of cute cats to post.

You are sick, I don't cook cute cats, I pet them and make them purr.

(yes, I misread your post but the first time I read it I thought it said something like recipes for "cute cats")

uruk

20th December 2006, 10:01 PM

give it up

Christophera

20th December 2006, 10:32 PM

give it up

Like you?

You have no evidence.

hcmom

21st December 2006, 12:02 AM

You are sick, I don't cook cute cats, I pet them and make them purr.

(yes, I misread your post but the first time I read it I thought it said something like recipes for "cute cats")
I have to confess...I first read it that way too...

Belz...

21st December 2006, 04:41 AM

Yes the ficticious core columns could have beeen any size. And would be indistinguisable except for the location of the columns. We never see any columns in the core area, which is the major point I make.

But that's not what you said.

1) You claim that we see BOX columns in the core area.
2) All plans of the WTC that show the core area show where the steel columns were supposed to be
3) You say that all we see, even when it corresponds to the plans, are box columns.
3) You've just admitted that steel columns and box columns could be INDISTINGUISHABLE, except for the location, which we HAVE.

So, which is it ? Most of your posts contain a reference to the fact that "no one can produce evidence for the supposed 47 steel columns that blah blah blah..." However, we now have your admissions that:

1) You couldn't tell the difference between dust and concrete in the context of the collapse.
2) You couldn't tell the difference between box columns and steel columns.

And yet you STILL claim to be able to tell the difference ?

Could you clarify ?

Belz...

21st December 2006, 04:46 AM

Is it logical that the contractors would demand elevator service as far up in the towers as is possible?

I think so.

Irrelevant. Elevators can't go up with simple guide rails. And you have no picture of functional elevators during construction, do you ?

Is it logical that IF the vertical steel seen in the core area from construction photos ARE core columns, THEN, since core columns are of the strongest elements of the towers that at least some would survive to be seen in the demolition photos?

I think so.

If you think not. Explain yourself.

Just because the steel columns would be the strongest element doesn't mean they could survive any and all forms of damage. In fact, we DO see steel something protuding from the towers as they collapse. Now, you call them box columns, so you think THEY could've survived the collapse. However, you also say that they happen to be indistinguishable from core columns at a distance, and there's no way you can tell their "position" relative to the rest of the core from the collapse pictures.

So how can you still say those aren't steel columns ?

Belz...

21st December 2006, 04:48 AM

It wouldn't be a lie it would be an error. Get your terms clear.

I do. If you know it's an error and keep saying it, it's a lie.

But it is not an error. When the proper weldment is used the weld is basically stronger that the steel it welds.

That's patently false, and you know it. There's a reason why the welds usually fail first, you know.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:02 AM

Blez

Enough already! The thread is dead! Chris lost!

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:04 AM

Your response is not logical. Explain yourself.

I can explain a good pancake recipe. The recipe is from a nice cookbook I have, but the trick is to use more milk than the original recipe stated to make sure the batter isn't too thick.

Ingredients:

1 cup milk
1 egg
2 tablespoons butter (melted)

1 cup flour
2 tablespoons sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
2 teaspoons baking powder

Directions:

-Mix egg, melted butter, and milk in a bowl until thoroughly blended.

-Add dry ingredients and mix until blended.

-Heat non-stick frying pan on medium or medium-high heat until a drop of water sizzles on it.

-Pour batter on pan, allow to cook until it starts to bubble on the top, flip over and cook until evenly done on both sides (lift or flip again to check).

-Serve however you like, that's good eating.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:08 AM

American or British cups, though?

Oliver

21st December 2006, 06:11 AM

Blez

Enough already! The thread is dead! Chris lost!

We could paint protest signs and post them until he gives
up but i guess it would be violating the Daratriot Act. :boxedin:

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:17 AM

American of British cups, though?

American cups, sorry.

I didn't know you Brits used different cup measures.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:18 AM

American cups, sorry.

I didn't know you Brits used different cup measures.

We don't; you do. Anyway, you can't even get gallons right so what hope is there?!?! :D

Go metric!

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:20 AM

Go metric!

Ah, go home, ya Commie! :D

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:22 AM

Do what we did; everything metric except miles and pints!

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:28 AM

Actually, I could totally live with that. I mean, I freaking hate kilometers, but I love meters, centimeters, and my beloved milimeters.

We already measure soda in liters.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:31 AM

They're a bit like litres, but for folk that can't spell?

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:32 AM

They're a bit like litres, but for folk that can't spell?

At least we drive on the correct side of the road. You might say we like to drive on the "right". See, it's easier to remember that way.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:34 AM

Just as a matter of interest, do you know why you guys drive on the right?

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:34 AM

Just as a matter of interest, do you know why you guys drive on the right?

Because Jesus loves us?

Seriously though, I have no idea. If you know, please do tell.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:37 AM

Everyone used to use the left, because if you're right handed it's the best side to defend yourself from. Anyway, Napoleon made them change it in every country he conquered, which was a fair chunk of continental Europe, and you guys picked it up from there.

You do know that there's a shed load of countries that still use the left, don't you? Most of the former British Empire, Japan, quite a bit of the far east?

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:41 AM

Yeah, I notice that Wikipedia has an article about it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_on_the_left_or_right), for some reason.

So most of the countries drive on the right, but the reasoning for either way seems to be "because we feel like it."

If the study suggesting right-eye dominance is a valid reason for driving on the left, then I'm glad I live in the US (being heavily left-eye dominant).

I'd never really though much about it.

At least here in the US we know how to properly build C4 reinforced invisicrete building cores.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:43 AM

At least here in the US we know how to properly build C4 reinforced invisicrete building cores.

True , but we make the best documentaries about it......

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:47 AM

True , but we make the best documentaries about it......

And we erase them from everyone's memory (except for ChristopherA, he's special).

It's like the circle of life, only imaginary and retarded.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:51 AM

I think you'll find that WE managed to delete every copy of the Oxford Dictionary/Encyclopedia of Innovation and Technology from every know library, publications list, and seconbd hand book dealer in the whole wide world though! And convince Chris that Oxford was in the US!

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:54 AM

I have to agree that it is quite impressive. No wonder we were able to team up and kick the Germans' asses in World War II.

With no real help from the French, I might add.

ETA: I wouldn't get too excited about convincing him it's in America, I think he believes everything is in America, including the whole United Kingdom, all of Europe, and most of Asia. Everything else is an illusion created by the NWO.

Architect

21st December 2006, 06:57 AM

Actually there was no WWII. That was just hypnosis. Chris was right all along........

Oliver

21st December 2006, 06:58 AM

I have to agree that it is quite impressive. No wonder we were able to team up and kick the Germans' asses in World War II.

With no real help from the French, I might add.

*LOL* That´s what you think. It was a false flag operation
to get Coca Cola and Whiskey - and it worked very well. :p

Cheers :)

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 06:59 AM

Yes, right about everything.

Hey, now he can quote us out of context and claim he "convinced" some skeptics over at JREF.

By the way, what's up with the slight differences in British and American spelling? Natural divergence over time?

Architect

21st December 2006, 07:01 AM

*LOL* That´s what you think. It was a false flag operation
to get Coca Cola and Whiskey - and it worked very well. :p

Cheers :)

That's whisky. You only use the "e" for American and Irish varieties.....

...and in Scotland it is absolutely NEVER referred to as Scotch.

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 07:03 AM

That's whisky. You only use the "e" for American and Irish varieties.....

...and in Scotland it is absolutely NEVER referred to as Scotch.

I've learned more in this thread in the past half an hour than in all of the past six months of ChristopherA posting.

The only thing I learned from all that was that I'm a hypnotized government reptile, and really, how useful is that information?

Architect

21st December 2006, 07:03 AM

By the way, what's up with the slight differences in British and American spelling? Natural divergence over time?

That's a complex question.

Some of the spellings reflect American use of 17th and 18th century UK spellings, but the vast majority are deliberate attempts by the US in the 20th century to simplify spelling. Colour/color is a classic example.

Interestingly, Canadians tend to stick with most UK spellings especially where they're influenced by Francophone grammar.

Trivia fact: UK and US spellings are both acceptable in Scrabble.

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 07:14 AM

Some of the spellings reflect American use of 17th and 18th century UK spellings, but the vast majority are deliberate attempts by the US in the 20th century to simplify spelling. Colour/color is a classic example.

Interestingly, Canadians tend to stick with most UK spellings especially where they're influenced by Francophone grammar.

Trivia fact: UK and US spellings are both acceptable in Scrabble.

Interesting stuff.

I had no idea that there was a deliberate effort to simplify the language.

Belz...

21st December 2006, 07:18 AM

Blez

Who ?

Writing my name backwards will not dispel me, mortal.

Enough already! The thread is dead! Chris lost!

Of course, now that he's admitted it. I just need him to realise that he's admitted it. It's my very faint hope that this could help him snap out of it.

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 07:36 AM

Who ?

Writing my name backwards will not dispel me, mortal.

Are you sure... Zleb!

Oliver

21st December 2006, 07:37 AM

Of course, now that he's admitted it. I just need him to realise that he's admitted it. It's my very faint hope that this could help him snap out of it.

Am i still on your ignore list? :(
Test test test. Hello? :confused:

Powa

21st December 2006, 07:51 AM

Test test test. Hello? :confused:
What was that? A voice from beyond?

Grandpa?

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 07:52 AM

Powa

21st December 2006, 08:00 AM

The word "realistice" was in the Oxford Dictionary/Encyclopedia of Innovation and Technology, which is now so conveniently missing.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 08:05 AM

What was that? A voice from beyond?

Grandpa?

Yes, my son - it´s me - your Grandpa. I feel ashamed that
you waste your time in alfred christopheras threads but
on the other side, it´s pretty funny. So don´t mind. :D

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 08:06 AM

The word "realistice" was in the Oxford Dictionary/Encyclopedia of Innovation and Technology, which is now so conveniently missing.

Man, that government sure is efficient. I'm surprised ChristopherA hasn't been silenced yet.

Come to think of it, he hasn't posted for a little bit. ChristopherA, have you checked your phone lines yet? I hear they come in through the phone lines.

firecoins

21st December 2006, 08:09 AM

http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-aliveness.html (http://aliveness101.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-aliveness.html)

Aliveness is everything. If a person grasps the principle and truly understands what is mean by it. . then they can never be ********ted again . Thats why I emphasize it so much. I am also constantly being asked....whats better.... this or that. . this style or that style....why don't you do this drill anymore...why do you say this doesn't work.... The answer to all those questions is Aliveness........so once they grasp what that means then about one thousand and one of their questions are answered for them. It's everything.

However, if someone wants to collect a certificate from a well known "Sifu", or look cool doing two person forms, then they will not care or pay attention to the concept of Aliveness.

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 08:09 AM

I am full of aliveness!

On a random statistical note, approximately 96% of ChristopherA's posting has been in this ridiculous thread. He must be very proud of his creation.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 08:14 AM

On a random statistical note, approximately 96% of ChristopherA's posting has been in this ridiculous thread. He must be very proud of his creation.

I tell you - it´s a bet of him he made with some of his buddies.
He bet that he is able to make the world biggest thread within
the JREF-Forum. And all this postings for a simple 6-pack of
Guinness. :eek: :boggled:

firecoins

21st December 2006, 08:16 AM

I so mad! I am mad to my concretw core!:mad:

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 08:25 AM

And all this postings for a simple 6-pack of
Guinness. :eek: :boggled:

But you can buy a six pack of Guinness in the store for like twelve dollars...

And it doesn't even have any C4 in it.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 08:34 AM

But you can buy a six pack of Guinness in the store for like twelve dollars...

And it doesn't even have any C4 in it.

Off course you could buy it for some bucks but Alfred
woud do anything to get it for free - as we all saw in
this thread. :D

hcmom

21st December 2006, 08:38 AM

I so mad! I am mad to my concretw core!:mad:

It took you over 10,000 posts to get mad? Or are you mad about something else?

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 08:47 AM

Off course you could buy it for some bucks but Alfred
woud do anything to get it for free - as we all saw in
this thread. :D

I'd be scared to see what he'd do for a Klondike bar.

It took you over 10,000 posts to get mad? Or are you mad about something else?

Maybe he's mad because someone slipped some 3" rebar in his morning oatmeal.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 08:54 AM

I'd be scared to see what he'd do for a Klondike bar.

Holy [rule8]. Are you crazy to make such suggestions? :eek: :D

Maybe he's mad because someone slipped some 3" rebar in his morning oatmeal.

I´m not sure because he still didn´t clarify the truthsaur´s (http://www.truthasaur.com/)
involvement in his evil conspiracy but i´m pretty sure he is
a pretty nice guy as long you don´t bet with him. :boxedin:

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 08:59 AM

Holy [rule8]. Are you crazy to make such suggestions?

You're right, that's an avenue best left unexplored.

Christophera

21st December 2006, 10:21 AM

Who ?

Writing my name backwards will not dispel me, mortal.

Of course, now that he's admitted it. I just need him to realise that he's admitted it. It's my very faint hope that this could help him snap out of it.

It seems to me that by not logically and reasonably addressing this reply to your post,

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2193843#post2193843

that you have admitted that you cannot do so. Which creates continuity throughout this thread for my point that only a concrete core can explain rates of fall near free fall.

Arus808

21st December 2006, 10:30 AM

Cats or recipes please.

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 10:34 AM

that you have admitted that you cannot do so. Which creates continuity throughout this thread for my point that only a concrete core can explain rates of fall near free fall.

What, you missed it? We all conceded victory to you and then pledged our allegiance to the NWO and the concrete core with its delicious C4 center. Now we're posting pictures of cats and having off topic discussions about recipes and the differences between the US and the UK.

Run free, Christophera, your job is done.

aggle-rithm

21st December 2006, 10:39 AM

If the study suggesting right-eye dominance is a valid reason for driving on the left, then I'm glad I live in the US (being heavily left-eye dominant).

You left-eyed people are so naive...

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 10:41 AM

You left-eyed people are so naive...

But we're damn sexy too, so people give us stuff for free.

aggle-rithm

21st December 2006, 10:43 AM

On a random statistical note, approximately 96% of ChristopherA's posting has been in this ridiculous thread. He must be very proud of his creation.

Let me guess: The other 4% are when he accidentally hit "Nominate" instead of "Quote"?

JonnyFive

21st December 2006, 10:47 AM

Let me guess: The other 4% are when he accidentally hit "Nominate" instead of "Quote"?

Oh, he seems to pop into other threads to offer up some home cooked crazy now and then.

But this is really his home, he's comfortable here.

aggle-rithm

21st December 2006, 10:49 AM

But we're damn sexy too, so people give us stuff for free.

Speaking of left eyes, here is a fun fact:

It is commonly believed that the left eye is controlled by the right side of the brain, while the right eye is controlled by the left side of the brain.

Actually, the left FIELD OF VISION, for both eyes, is controlled by the right side of the brain, and vice versa. In other words, the optic nerve from each eye splits in two with one side going to one hemisphere and the other going to...well, you get the picture.

So when the visual center on one side of your brain is injured, you don't go blind in one eye. Instead you go blind on one SIDE. I think this is interesting, for people with this unfortunate problem will only eat food on the half of the plate they can see, or they will put makeup on only one side of their face.

Anyway, I thought I would post this because I am fresh out of recipes and cat pictures.

Powa

21st December 2006, 11:15 AM

So when the visual center on one side of your brain is injured, you don't go blind in one eye. Instead you go blind on one SIDE. I think this is interesting, for people with this unfortunate problem will only eat food on the half of the plate they can see, or they will put makeup on only one side of their face.
I saw a programme about this on Discovery a few years ago. This woman was asked to copy a drawing of a cat and she only drew one side of it. Then the tester rotated her drawing 180° and she started laughing. :D

Fascinating stuff.

tsig

21st December 2006, 01:34 PM

I've learned more in this thread in the past half an hour than in all of the past six months of ChristopherA posting.

The only thing I learned from all that was that I'm a hypnotized government reptile, and really, how useful is that information?

It does explain the scales.

tsig

21st December 2006, 01:38 PM

This whole time and I still haven't seen a realistice explanation for the free fall of the towers.

Or anything, for that matter.

Come to think of it, I still can't seem to find the word "realistice" in the dictionary.

Do you think the NWO erased it?

We planted it in his brain so he would start this thread and we could communicate.

The NWO is tricky that way.

Blue Mountain

21st December 2006, 04:42 PM

Whee! We are now at 28 pages on this thread!

Christophera

21st December 2006, 07:57 PM

Speaking of left eyes, here is a fun fact:

It is commonly believed that the left eye is controlled by the right side of the brain, while the right eye is controlled by the left side of the brain.

Actually, the left FIELD OF VISION, for both eyes, is controlled by the right side of the brain, and vice versa. In other words, the optic nerve from each eye splits in two with one side going to one hemisphere and the other going to...well, you get the picture.

So when the visual center on one side of your brain is injured, you don't go blind in one eye. Instead you go blind on one SIDE. I think this is interesting, for people with this unfortunate problem will only eat food on the half of the plate they can see, or they will put makeup on only one side of their face.

Anyway, I thought I would post this because I am fresh out of recipes and cat pictures.

Here is some related fact to that phenomena.

http://members.tripod.com/truthasaur/twominds1.html

Christophera

21st December 2006, 08:01 PM

Christophera: Concrete core!
JREF: No evidence.

Christophera: 3" REBAR ON 4' CENTERS!
JREF: We don't think so.

Christophera: The Oxford Encyclopedia of Science and Technology!
JREF: No evidence it ever existed.

Christophera: C4 coated rebar!
JREF: Hahahaha!

Christophera: The PBS documentary!
JREF: No evidence it ever existed.

Christophera: Time travelling Mohawks!
JREF: Yeah, right.

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Not very descriptive, but for a denier of obvious truth, its a start.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 08:07 PM

Not very descriptive, but for a denier of obvious truth, its a start.

Merry Christmas, Christopher. :) I hope you take
the chance to celebrate with your friends, family
and beloved people. http://www-personal.bioinformatics.unsw.edu.au/%7Ematth/images/smiley-christmas.png

Christophera

21st December 2006, 09:01 PM

Merry Christmas, Christopher. :) I hope you take
the chance to celebrate with your friends, family
and beloved people. http://www-personal.bioinformatics.unsw.edu.au/%7Ematth/images/smiley-christmas.png

Thanks to corrupt courts and government, I will be lucky to see any family at all this Christmas.

But, hey, .... I always have my wonderful friends online that I can entertain with profound truth vital to their futures. They always love that. It is a small gift to give.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 09:07 PM

Thanks to corrupt courts and government, I will be lucky to see any family at all this Christmas.

But, hey, .... I always have my wonderful friends online that I can entertain with profound truth vital to their futures. They always love that. It is a small gift to give.

I hope it does not annoy you but personally i don´t
think it´s as terrible as you seem to think - and in
2008 the Bush rant is over anyway, don´t you think? :)

Christophera

21st December 2006, 09:09 PM

I hope it does not annoy you but personally i don´t
think it´s as terrible as you seem to think - and in
2008 the Bush rant is over anyway, don´t you think? :)

As long as the pupetteers are at the strings, the BS is NOT over.

So far, with the denial present, the strings will be choking people and they will be wondering why they cannot breath.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 09:18 PM

As long as the pupetteers are at the strings, the BS is NOT over.

So far, with the denial present, the strings will be choking people and they will be wondering why they cannot breath.

Well, this is what politics is about. You really shouldn´t
get too much involved if it rules your days. All we can
do is vote for a better party. It´s sad that you over
there have just 2 parties to vote but at least you don´t
have the problems with neverending discussions between
several crazy parties like here in germany. :rolleyes:

Christophera

21st December 2006, 09:25 PM

Well, this is what politics is about. You really shouldn´t
get too much involved if it rules your days. All we can
do is vote for a better party. It´s sad that you over
there have just 2 parties to vote but at least you don´t
have the problems with neverending discussions between
several crazy parties like here in germany. :rolleyes:

the founders of this country insisted the best system is a NO PARTY system. They stated that if there were 2 then the most powerfu would dominate. If there were more that that, the other would be used to disempower/dilute the second most powerful.

It is probably only the severe lessons of the past that keep Germany stable.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

Oliver

21st December 2006, 09:37 PM

the founders of this country insisted the best system is a NO PARTY system. They stated that if there were 2 then the most powerfu would dominate. If there were more that that, the other would be used to disempower/dilute the second most powerful.

It is probably only the severe lessons of the past that keep Germany stable.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html

I think we germans learned our lesson. That´s why
we are very critical and clairaudient concerning the
Iraq-War and the tortures.

However: If you have more parties than two you
have a bigger chance to find a party that you think
will represent your thoughts and your wishes than
having just 2 parties.

You have to give me some time to review your link,

cheers,
Oliver

Christophera

21st December 2006, 09:58 PM

I think we germans learned our lesson. That´s why
we are very critical and clairaudient concerning the
Iraq-War and the tortures.

However: If you have more parties than two you
have a bigger chance to find a party that you think
will represent your thoughts and your wishes than
having just 2 parties.

You have to give me some time to review your link,

cheers,
Oliver

The link is my same old 9-11 link, but I relate it to the Reichstag.

The founders point was that it is better to use the information of the candidate, the person, rather than that of a party they attach to.

Or, "how many people are there?" Enough options? Just give them a way to share their thoughts then vote for the one that makes the best sense. No need to have a party, just an open system for sharing with equal access.

Today we have politicians groomed for party participation and they cannot even think outside the box, let alone talk out of it.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 10:15 PM

The link is my same old 9-11 link, but I relate it to the Reichstag.

The founders point was that it is better to use the information of the candidate, the person, rather than that of a party they attach to.

Or, "how many people are there?" Enough options? Just give them a way to share their thoughts then vote for the one that makes the best sense. No need to have a party, just an open system for sharing with equal access.

Today we have politicians groomed for party participation and they cannot even think outside the box, let alone talk out of it.

I´m sorry, Christoper, but i did not find any information
concerning the Reichstag in your link. Maybe the false
link?

You have to know that we still don´t know who did the
Reichstagfire. There are still discussions about the Nazi-
involvement and i wouldn´t wonder if it is true. But the
evidences for this claim are missing. That´s why i can´t
respect people like Alex Jones who claim it as false flag
operation - even without proof.

But the Nazis did use this event pretty good to promote
their hate and to go to war. Maybe the US-Gov did this,
too - use the moment as good as possible?

Christophera

21st December 2006, 10:46 PM

I´m sorry, Christoper, but i did not find any information
concerning the Reichstag in your link. Maybe the false
link?

You have to know that we still don´t know who did the
Reichstagfire. There are still discussions about the Nazi-
involvement and i wouldn´t wonder if it is true. But the
evidences for this claim are missing. That´s why i can´t
respect people like Alex Jones who claim it as false flag
operation - even without proof.

But the Nazis did use this event pretty good to promote
their hate and to go to war. Maybe the US-Gov did this,
too - use the moment as good as possible?

You are well informed on the Reichstag matter. Sorry if you thought there was a direct reference to it in my 9-11 site.

I see 9-11 as a super refined Reichstag, built to demolish.

beachnut

21st December 2006, 10:51 PM

You are well informed on the Reichstag matter. Sorry if you thought there was a direct reference to it in my 9-11 site.

I see 9-11 as a super refined Reichstag, built to demolish.

When will your work be finished?

Oliver

21st December 2006, 10:56 PM

You are well informed on the Reichstag matter. Sorry if you thought there was a direct reference to it in my 9-11 site.

I see 9-11 as a super refined Reichstag, built to demolish.

I also think that 9/11 influenced the whole politic direction.
Maybe they used this incident as well as the Nazis did - but
this alone does not proof any involvement. What do you think?

hcmom

21st December 2006, 11:31 PM

Thanks to corrupt courts and government, I will be lucky to see any family at all this Christmas.

But, hey, .... I always have my wonderful friends online that I can entertain with profound truth vital to their futures. They always love that. It is a small gift to give.

And we love you too Chris. Seriously though, are you going to be lucky enough to spend Christmas with your family?

Christophera

21st December 2006, 11:32 PM

I also think that 9/11 influenced the whole politic direction.
Maybe they used this incident as well as the Nazis did - but
this alone does not proof any involvement. What do you think?

I would say that the the buildings were designed to demolish and the demolition was designed for the political direction. Of course the proof is what I'm working on.

Oliver

21st December 2006, 11:42 PM

I would say that the the buildings were designed to demolish and the demolition was designed for the political direction. Of course the proof is what I'm working on.

I don´t know all your thoughts about the issue but i´m
pretty sure that you know that this implies planing the
attacks since the seventies if they planted explosions
during the construction.

My problem is that i don´t see a reason to blow up the
buildings the way it happend. Also it absolutely makes
no sense to fake the WMD-Evidence if they already
had these plans to invade Iraq. If they were able to
pull this off - they would be able to plant WMD´s to
blame Saddam. Till today they did not presented any
connection to 9/11 which means that they were stupid
as hell to blame Saddam if it was an inside job.

But what do you think about that stupid behavior?

tsig

22nd December 2006, 12:34 AM

I would say that the the buildings were designed to demolish and the demolition was designed for the political direction. Of course the proof is what I'm working on.

designed to demolish

sure to sell

I'll have two

hcmom

22nd December 2006, 01:48 AM

I would say that the the buildings were designed to demolish and the demolition was designed for the political direction. Of course the proof is what I'm working on.

I am far from being an expert at this kind of thing, but I would think the proof shouldn't require working on...

tsig

22nd December 2006, 01:57 AM

It was damned heavy.

Maxim: If I don't know or understand the science behind an explanation am I allowed to cast the explanation into doubt?

The less you know the more you can blow.

cleaining cat hair

tsig

22nd December 2006, 02:01 AM

Well, considering the "qualified analysts" have failed to explain the exceedingly fast fall rates, the credibility of what our society refers to as "qualified" is VERY much in question.

I've enjoyed providing you with a common sense analysis of what "qualifications" have become.

falll fast

gravity

faster than gravity = anorther world.

Architect

22nd December 2006, 04:47 AM

Lads, the thread is dead; chris lost. let it lie.

Belz...

22nd December 2006, 04:51 AM

Are you sure... Zleb!

AAAAAAAARRGGHHH!!

Belz...

22nd December 2006, 04:53 AM

It seems to me that by not logically and reasonably addressing this reply to your post,

that you have admitted that you cannot do so.

You can put words in my mouth all you want.

The thread is pretty much over, now, since you've admitted that you can't see concrete conclusively in the pictures you've been posting, and that the core columns could be seen in the construction pictures and that they'd be indistinguishable from box columns, anyway.

But thanks for playing.

Architect

22nd December 2006, 04:54 AM

Let it lie.

Belz...

22nd December 2006, 04:55 AM

Thanks to corrupt courts and government, I will be lucky to see any family at all this Christmas.

Well, at least you can thank whatever gods you pray to that you're still alive, especially considering how you've uncovered the whole plot of the badguys and how much getting rid of you wouldn't be very risky for them.

Happy holidays.

JonnyFive

22nd December 2006, 05:51 AM

Thanks to corrupt courts and government, I will be lucky to see any family at all this Christmas.

But, hey, .... I always have my wonderful friends online that I can entertain with profound truth vital to their futures. They always love that. It is a small gift to give.

Did anyone else here glance at the first line and read it as "corrupt cores"?

This is fun.

We love you too, Christophera. I think you should let this thread die though.

Christophera

22nd December 2006, 10:41 AM

You can put words in my mouth all you want.

The thread is pretty much over, now, since you've admitted that you can't see concrete conclusively in the pictures you've been posting, and that the core columns could be seen in the construction pictures and that they'd be indistinguishable from box columns, anyway.

But thanks for playing.

Pieces of the concrete core is seen here (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif) and through out this site,

http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

And steel core columns are never seen ANYWHERE and all attempts to misrepresent them have been logically exposed.

Speaking of trying to put words into the mouth of another, if you cannot back that up with a link, you are a freakin' LIAR.

Happy Solstice

Christophera

22nd December 2006, 10:43 AM

I am far from being an expert at this kind of thing, but I would think the proof shouldn't require working on...

It is often work to obtain the proof.

Architect

22nd December 2006, 11:13 AM

You've lost, Chris. Go away

Oliver

22nd December 2006, 11:20 AM

AAAAAAAARRGGHHH!!

Test, test, test :boxedin:

Belz...

22nd December 2006, 12:07 PM

What are you testing, Oliver ? If you can get a higher postcount by writing MORE irrelevance ? You can.

And yes, you're still on ignore, herr.

Oliver

22nd December 2006, 12:11 PM

What are you testing, Oliver ? If you can get a higher postcount by writing MORE irrelevance ? You can.

And yes, you're still on ignore, herr.

Well, if i didn´t knew it better i would think that your
lack of humor implies that you´re a troofer. But maybe
you spend some time to talk WITH Christophera instead
AGAINST him. And do you know why? Because there
will be no productive results in this kind of discussion
against each other. ;)

hcmom

22nd December 2006, 12:14 PM

I am far from being an expert at this kind of thing, but I would think the proof shouldn't require working on...
It is often work to obtain the proof.
Yes...but what you said wasn't that you were attempting to obtain proof...

Of course the proof is what I'm working on.

Belz...

22nd December 2006, 12:15 PM

Pieces of the concrete core is seen here (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corewallspirearrows.gif) and through out this site,

"Pieces of concrete". Would you please alter the image so as to point to each individual "piece", please ? If you can't, it's because you can't see the "pieces".

Of course, all this is academic since you've admitted that dust could produce the same effect.

And steel core columns are never seen ANYWHERE and all attempts to misrepresent them have been logically exposed.

You said that they could be indistinguishable from box columns. And since you've identified box columns just about everywhere in the collapse and construction pictures, the rest is a no brainer.

Don't cry.

Speaking of trying to put words into the mouth of another, if you cannot back that up with a link, you are a freakin' LIAR.

Your wish is my command.

Here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2187967&postcount=10103) you said you didn't know how thick the core columns were, after saying numerous times that the columns we were seeing were too thin to be core columns.

Afterwards, you said this (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2193629&postcount=10135). Now, I think this solves this problem.

Now, do you ALSO want me to dig up the one where you said it could be dust ? I already did not long ago.

cloudshipsrule

22nd December 2006, 12:17 PM

The WTC's concrete cores are just as real as the Easter Bunny. It's true!

tsig

22nd December 2006, 01:23 PM

It is often work to obtain the proof.

Pruf is work indeed

die, die, die

let it die.

How many stakes does it take till he knows

That the vampire is really dead

The answer my friends

is written by you

And is truely written in the wind.

Rabbit

22nd December 2006, 01:30 PM

Oliver

22nd December 2006, 01:45 PM

tsig

22nd December 2006, 01:56 PM

Christophera

22nd December 2006, 02:37 PM

I apologize for not reading all the past 10,000+ post before this.

Maybe Christophera can answer a small question I have.

Which tower fell first, and why? I always get the North Tower mixed up with the South Tower, and actually don't know which was WTC1 and which was WTC2. I should know, but don't, so any help would be appreciated.

WTC 2, the south tower fell first although WTC 1 was hit first on the north side, it fell north. The first tower hit was hit near center with most of the fuel entering the tower to burn. The second tower to be hit, WTC 2, was almost missed, being hit on the south east corner, only one engine contacted the concrete core and most of the fuel burned outside of the tower in a midair firebal, the tower fell east.

BTW, the very top of WTC 1 fell south and the very top of WTC 2 fell west (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg)

Christophera

22nd December 2006, 02:40 PM

You've lost, Chris. Go away

The fact that cat pictures and baking recipes with pitiful erroneous claims instead of raw evidence of steel core columns are posted, proves the opposite is, ............ indeed the fact.

Christophera

22nd December 2006, 05:30 PM

No problem proving how many interior box columns were cut at uniform lengths with square cut ends.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4032&d=1163315538

You're funny, chris. We can clearly see different lenghts on your picture.

Of course there are different lengths dummy, but look how many are the same. duh

And the ones the same length look like this on the ends.

Sheared Columns (http://www.parrhesia.com/wtc/wtc066.jpg)

defaultdotxbe

22nd December 2006, 05:33 PM

WTC 2, the south tower fell first although WTC 1 was hit first on the north side, it fell north. The first tower hit was hit near center with most of the fuel entering the tower to burn. The second tower to be hit, WTC 2, was almost missed, being hit on the south east corner, only one engine contacted the concrete core and most of the fuel burned outside of the tower in a midair firebal, the tower fell east.

BTW, the very top of WTC 1 fell south and the very top of WTC 2 fell west (http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc2coreonto3.jpg)
you forgot to mention WTC2 was hit about 15 stories lower than WTC1 (which means 15 stories more weight bearing down on the damaged section)

Christophera

22nd December 2006, 05:40 PM

you forgot to mention WTC2 was hit about 15 stories lower than WTC1 (which means 15 stories more weight bearing down on the damaged section)

True, but it also mean 15 times stronger at that level which is why the towers stood for 33 years. All structures logically must be designed this way. They were built 6 times stronger than they needed to be if I remember correctly.

The concrete core was there to resist torsion from the occasional hurricane force winds which justified the high strength.

defaultdotxbe

22nd December 2006, 05:51 PM

True, but it also mean 15 times stronger at that level which is why the towers stood for 33 years. All structures logically must be designed this way. They were built 6 times stronger than they needed to be if I remember correctly.

The concrete core was there to resist torsion from the occasional hurricane force winds which justified the high strength.
so your sayign the concrete core of your got thicker as it went down? (or rather thinne as it went up)