Jupiter and astrology

[woodwater]

Hi folks

Correct me if im wrong, but the fact that Jupiter takes 11.8 years to go round the Sun and not 12 like some think, proves that astrology is rubbish?
I read that jupiter entered Aries in jan 1916 and was back in Aries again in Jan 1928, exactly 12 years.

thanks:)

[woodwater]

Hi folks

Correct me if im wrong, but the fact that Jupiter takes 11.8 years to go round the Sun and not 12 like some think, proves that astrology is rubbish?
I read that jupiter entered Aries in jan 1916 and was back in Aries again in Jan 1928, exactly 12 years.

thanks:)

somebody responded to that by saying astrology is symbolic. I wonder what she meant?:confused: :D :eye-poppi

[Jimbo07]

I don't think you need to look at Jupiter's orbital period to largely discount astrology...

... however, given that constellations are vaguely defined in space, when does Jupiter 'enter' one?

[Ersby]

British astronomer Patrick Moore once said that the gravitational pull on a person from a planet was about equal to that of a passing bus.

So now I propose Bustrology: where I take the local bus timetable from the date of someone's birth, and use that to tell them that they're sometimes extrovert but also shy, aren't always appreciated at work and have a great sense of humour.

"I see that the number 38 has been extended, which means you're good with money, but the number 11A has been rerouted through the town centre so you don't always have the willpower to see things through."

I reckon I'll make a fortune.

[gfunkusarelius]

yeah, i have heard people ask what the ramifications were for astrology when new plants were discovered but the explainations were all suspect. i cant remember them, but like what woodwater said, they talk about the symbolism and it being about what you take from it, yada yada, blada

[BenK]

Just curious why does Jupiter have to have an orbit of 12 years? These people (http://www.astrologysource.com/understand3.html) acknowledge that Jupiter has an orbit of 11.86 years.

[jj]

Consider the gravitational influence of your honey next to you vs. the gravitational influence of Jupiter.

Now tell me which one you notice more. :p

[John Jackson]

So now I propose Bustrology: where I take the local bus timetable from the date of someone's birth, and use that to tell them that they're sometimes extrovert but also shy, aren't always appreciated at work and have a great sense of humour.

"I see that the number 38 has been extended, which means you're good with money, but the number 11A has been rerouted through the town centre so you don't always have the willpower to see things through."

Absolutely right!

You're a number 26 aren't you?

[Gr8wight]

British astronomer Patrick Moore once said that the gravitational pull on a person from a planet was about equal to that of a passing bus.

So now I propose Bustrology: where I take the local bus timetable from the date of someone's birth, and use that to tell them that they're sometimes extrovert but also shy, aren't always appreciated at work and have a great sense of humour.

"I see that the number 38 has been extended, which means you're good with money, but the number 11A has been rerouted through the town centre so you don't always have the willpower to see things through."

I reckon I'll make a fortune.

That is brilliant. I trust British bus schedules are more reliable than those for the trains...

[SPQR]

yeah, i have heard people ask what the ramifications were for astrology when new plants were discovered but the explainations were all suspect.

Yeah, I bet even the gravitational pull of your houseplant has more of an effect on you than that of Jupiter. :p

The bolding is mine

[Mojo]

That is brilliant. I trust British bus schedules are more reliable than those for the trains...No, but it's a great excuse. "My prediction was totally wrong? The number 12 must be held up in traffic on Oxford Street, or maybe there is a white van parked in the bus lane on Holborn..."

[vbloke]

*cough*

Astrology & Precession (http://www.ukskeptics.com/article.php?dir=articles&article=astrology_and_precession.php)

Zodiacal astrology (http://www.ukskeptics.com/article.php?dir=articles&article=zodiacal_astrology.php)

[rjh01]

The one question that has not been answered is how long does Jupiter take to go around the Sun? The answer is 11.86 years (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0859082.html).

[Stellafane]

The funny thing is, in one sense the astrologers may be right -- Jupiter probably does have a very large influence on human life. But not in the way they think. Recent speculation has postulated that advanced life on Earth may not have been possible without a huge Jupiter-like planet running interference for us. Jupiter's massive gravity sweeps up a lot of the space debris that might otherwise penetrate into the inner solar system and smack into us, with hugely detrimental effects to the biosphere. (This still happens on occasion of course -- just ask your nearest T. Rex -- but not nearly as often as it would in a Jupiter-less universe.)

So yes, Jupiter may well have profoundly shaped our past and continues to effect our future. But probably not in a way that will help predict our financial or romantic issues.

[rjh01]

And if Jupiter had been a lot smaller there would be a planet between Mars and Jupiter. Mars would also be bigger. Maybe even Earth? The reason is as Stellafane said these planets would have got the material Jupiter curently has.

Maybe all it would have taken would be for Saturn to be bigger.

[vbloke]

I'd like to see Uranus get bigger

[Nex]

I feel a goatse joke coming on...

...

Nah, nevermind.

Back on topic:
Correct me if im wrong, but the fact that Jupiter takes 11.8 years to go round the Sun and not 12 like some think, proves that astrology is rubbish? Could be. Myself, I'm pretty sure that astrology proves astrology to be rubbish, though. :D