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GrapeJ713
17th May 2003, 03:12 PM
I saw this posted in the L&A forum, and I thought this would be a better forum to discuss why the islamic fundamentalists (wahabbi, shia etc.) fear women's sexuality so much.
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19718
Taliban Demise Frees Cannes' Afghan Films Taliban Demise Frees Cannes' Afghan Films
http://www.rr.com/v5/2/news/frame/0...p~1~9006_414224

When a young woman without a veil walks down a street in Afghanistan, an old man passing by turns to face the wall and chant a prayer for forgiveness. For him, just seeing a woman's face is a sin.

It's a scene in a new movie playing at the Cannes Film Festival. "At Five in the Afternoon" is about a young Afghan with a big dream: She wants to be her country's first female president. Before the movie's heartbreaking close, she has small triumphs _ like defiantly lifting her burqa to take strolls.

The movie's 23-year-old director, Samira Makhmalbaf of Iran, is one of a handful of moviemakers bringing cinema to Afghanistan since the demise of the Taliban regime that banned music, television, movies and theater. Cannes is showcasing two films shot there.

Makhmalbaf based some scenes on her own experiences. At a Kabul hotel, an old man turned to the wall when she passed by wearing only a headscarf, not the long, face-covering burqa.

"He tried not to look at me, he believed in it deeply," she told The Associated Press on Friday. "I really wanted to cry for a man who believed in that kind of ignorance."

Most of the religions Of The Book, have a lot of misogeny in them. But what the fundamentalist mullahs pull out of the Koran is the most severe form of it. I think it has to do with men wanting to control women, because women control 100% of the vagina supply in the world. I think they basically just don't want to be puddy whipped like some men are in most western civilizations. They don't want to be tempted to submit to a woman's sexual power so they cover them up and try to keep them dumb, servile, babymaking housekeepers. Do they think if the veils come off and women are treated equally under the law it would be a downward slide into being dragged to romantic comedies by thier wives?

Baker
23rd May 2003, 04:15 AM
Here is a good link from the Human rights watch website on Islam’s war on women.

Throughout the world, Muslim women want to live observant lives with human dignity and respect for their rights. Many Muslim women I know and work with are faithful Muslims and categorically reject the abuse of Shariah to sow their oppression.
http://hrw.org/editorials/2002/women0822.htm

UnrepentantSinner
23rd May 2003, 04:43 AM
Nail on the head you to!

I lived in Iran as a kid and I have an Iranian e-mail, a woman who's 20 or 21 living in London. She wears the hijab when she returns to Tehran, but in England it's t-shirts and jeans.

I was just speaking to my mom the other day about our neighbors in Tehran. It was the mid-70s and the daughter who was early 20s also used to love wearing tight jeans and other western accutriments.

Of course it's not just the more modern thinking Persians who do this, Saudi women are infamous for getting on planes in Riyadh wearing a chador, and peeling it off to reveal Channel and Prada as soon as they exit Saudi air space.

I think the whole thing is rediculous. Just wear the damn halter top and yell at any Mahmood who stares at you.

Skeptical Greg
23rd May 2003, 05:44 AM
Does anyone know if the veiling of women among Muslims is in any way linked to the admonition of Jesus, about being guilty of adultry if you look upon a woman with lust?

Man of jade
23rd May 2003, 02:35 PM
Specifically what the bible says there...

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Matt 5:28

Not actually adultery, but adultery of the heart.

Baker
23rd May 2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Man of jade
Specifically what the bible says there...

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Matt 5:28

Not actually adultery, but adultery of the heart.

Its hardly the same thing as being forced to ware a veil and covering your self from head to toe.

Skeptical Greg
23rd May 2003, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by Baker


Its hardly the same thing as being forced to ware a veil and covering your self from head to toe.

My question, was wondering if the veiling, helped men not to commit adultry in their hearts.?

compjan
23rd May 2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Diogenes


My question was wondering if the veiling helped men, not to commit adultry in their hearts.?

That's the feel I get. I notice something similar in evangelical christianity with the urge for women to cover themselves more so they won't tempt men.

Personally I find the idea almost as insulting to men as to women. What is being claimed is that men are rutting animals incapable of controlling themselves, always on the verge of raping women.

Sadly in some cases its true.

CompJan