DJLegacy of LC Forum Proves Gravy Dead Wrong!

[DJLegacy2k5]

Can I watch my TV in peace now?

[chipmunk stew]

I have been telling people for a while along with Rox that if they would like to debate live without 500 little ninja skeptic n00bz talking about their L33tness and their Pwnage....We can do it, he has a media outlet for it.

You all and your never dieing love for the facts, should have them already and airtight to go debate right?Rox came and bailed you out, yes. You don't need him. Just post your evidence.

[Stellafane]

Can I watch my TV in peace now?

Hey, you're the one responding to my posts. If it's disturbing your quality time with Lois Griffin (or is Stewie more to your tastes?), just ignore me.

[Gravy]

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages...the LC forums proudly brings to you the #1 9/11 Admin in the WOORRRRLLLLDDD...He is DJ Legacy!

(Crowd Goes Wild)

Well Hello! I've missed a lot here. Give me a few minutes to catch up...I'm just on page 2.

[DJLegacy2k5]

I TOLD YOU MY TELEPATHIC POWERS WORK!

You haven't missed anything Gravy, although I brought you here through telepathy so I want to get paid!

[chipmunk stew]

Im only trying to fit in with you all thats all...I mean you guys do flood other people's message boards with "ninjas" and group gangbang debate tactics.DJ, at the most there have been like 5 or 6 JREF members on the LC board at a time. How many regulars do you have? If you consider that a "flood" and a "group gangbang" your Movement has no hope.

[Gravy]

Do you really think I came here to debate a whole site full of scared little kids?

I came here out of sheer boredom till Gravy and Dubfan get their scared asses to go on a "small little internet radio show" so they dont have their Ninja team to come in with all of this BS lol

I told you Im just here for the Free Pie and Chips...maybe some Kool Aid.
As I stated on this thread, you can restrict your responses to me if you wish.

[Gravy]

No I will take the debate to a LIVE broadcast so as to not have 90 little ninjas bothering the posts...and you all wont have the LC board bothering you on there, solves all of the problems...

Tin Foil Hat...hmmm shows how very close minded and pathetic some of you are...Tin Foil hats are references to aliens and/or mind control neither of which I study or look into.
See my reply above. Did you read the thread, DJ?

[WildCat]

Well Hello! I've missed a lot here. Give me a few minutes to catch up...I'm just on page 2.
I'll list every single flaw DJ has listed so far in his spectacular debunking:

There it is!

[DJLegacy2k5]

Or we could restrict it to you and dub fan on a live radio show....I'll even pull a good ole' JR and we can write the terms of engagement on here before anyone accepts.

Debating on this board or the LC board is pointless with everyone throwing their 2 cents in every 5 seconds...

[chipmunk stew]

Or we could restrict it to you and dub fan on a live radio show....I'll even pull a good ole' JR and we can write the terms of engagement on here before anyone accepts.

Debating on this board or the LC board is pointless with everyone throwing their 2 cents in every 5 seconds...How 'bout a new thread, with an OP that stipulates that only Gravy and DJ are to post, with a link to a "peanut gallery" thread?

[DJLegacy2k5]

If I wanted to be like JR Id back out of the contact at the end though

[Hutch]

Gravy, suggest you start a new thread just for you and DJ, since he seems to think this is a mano-a-mano thing...then he can't complain about being gang-tackled.

Just a suggestion once you get to this point.

DJ, I would suggest you ask Russell Pickering, Sun Zoo, and Merc the Jerk to post their particular theories over here for discussion. I don't buy into them either, but at least they would be much more enthusiastic and give us something to work/research on.

Press on.

[DJLegacy2k5]

How 'bout a new thread, with an OP that stipulates that only Gravy and DJ are to post, with a link to a "peanut gallery" thread?


Why are you all so dead set on being on a forum so you all can pat each other on the back and it saves you from thinking on your feet? Is that it?

[Gravy]

Why would we want to be like you all and over flow a board with immaturity and gang posting?
DJ all of your posts about me and the JREF forum are filled with name-calling. Why? You know I can't post there. Do you consider that mature behavior?

[chipmunk stew]

Why are you all so dead set on being on a forum so you all can pat each other on the back and it saves you from thinking on your feet? Is that it?Why are you so dead set against it?

[DavidJames]

Or we could restrict it to you and dub fan on a live radio show....I'll even pull a good ole' JR and we can write the terms of engagement on here before anyone accepts.

Debating on this board or the LC board is pointless with everyone throwing their 2 cents in every 5 seconds...
I promise to refrain from posting in any thread you and Gravy choose to debate. Debating "live" is pointless and doesn't allow for analysis and sourcing of claims, nor does it allow for proper rebuttal of said claims. If you are afraid to put your thoughts "on paper" for all to review and analyze, say so and be gone.

[Gravy]

Okay, I skimmed through everything.
DJ, the ball is in your court. Pick a subject that you feel LC got right and I got wrong, and present your case. And please, no name-calling.

[DJLegacy2k5]

Zzzzz I told you, if you all can't be a part of it, you all want to whine and complain...the radio show is archived and saved to later break downs...When you all are serious let us know...until then I will just continue on with my work...If you want it all in writing I will just keep working on my article...If you have some balls to stand up live and thin on your feet let me know...

[DJLegacy2k5]

I will be back in an hour or so....

[Apollyon]

If I wanted to be like JR Id back out of the contact at the end though
Speaking of JR...Do you guys over at LC discuss, like, who REALLY shot JR?

Because, like, you know, Zionist owned Holloywood was hiding the real truth behind his death with that bogus TV episode.

[WildCat]

I will be back in an hour or so....
And off he goes!
:dl:

[milesalpha]

I promise to refrain from posting in any thread you and Gravy choose to debate. Debating "live" is pointless and doesn't allow for analysis and sourcing of claims, nor does it allow for proper rebuttal of said claims. If you are afraid to put your thoughts "on paper" for all to review and analyze, say so and be gone.

I pledge the same, Hutch has the thread all ready to go.

[steve s]

Why are you all so dead set on being on a forum so you all can pat each other on the back and it saves you from thinking on your feet? Is that it?

Roxdog once wrote that his "radio show" gets up to 50 downloads. Why in the world would anyone want to debate on a show that no one will hear? Many more people will be able to see it here.

Steve S.

[DavidJames]

Suppose you go on the "radio" and say this.
I have documented evidence of a man that was a part of a military study in which these men were asked to plan an "attack" that would hijack planes with boxcutters and use explosives to bring down the world trade centers. The EXACT plans that took place on 9/11. Of course the governemnt claimed they wanted this plan so they could make a defense for it, but this man then tells of a back up plan in case these plans were used agianst the USA. This man has taken a lie detector test to prove the validity of his claims.

There is no way for anyone to respond since they wouldn't have time to find out if this was really a legitimate claim. Where is the value for anyone?

[Gravy]

Zzzzz I told you, if you all can't be a part of it, you all want to whine and complain...the radio show is archived and saved to later break downs...When you all are serious let us know...until then I will just continue on with my work...If you want it all in writing I will just keep working on my article...If you have some balls to stand up live and thin on your feet let me know...

Why in the world would I want to be on a poscast of someone who:

– Was extremely rude to me on the thread I started at the LC forum

– Has never apologized, although I repeatedly asked him to

– Asks on the LC forum why I am running from him, although he has an active acount here and I am banned there.

–Asks why I refused go on his podcast when he never, ever asked me to

– Is unable to present more of a case for his arguments than dumping links here and running away.

–Has a listener base that is a small fraction of the people who view this site.

Are you kidding? Roxdog behaves like a child. He feels it's perfectly appropriate to be rude to me and then demand that I be on his little podcast? He has a large audience for his views right here, much larger than his podcast or the LC forum. But his views are unsupportable. In the one part of a Roxdog podcast I heard, he was arguing that "Tesla weapons" destroyed the twin towers.

Sorry, but I take this subject seriously.

I'll be over in the thread that Hutch started.

[WildCat]

I pledge the same, Hutch has the thread all ready to go.
Same here, this thread's all yours guys:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1690781#post1690781

Not that there's a chance there will actually be a debate. Seems DJ is just here to try to get Gravy and dubfan on Roxdogs "show", so that there can be no rebuttals, fact checking, research on specific lies points, etc.

[Stellafane]

Zzzzz I told you, if you all can't be a part of it, you all want to whine and complain...the radio show is archived and saved to later break downs...When you all are serious let us know...until then I will just continue on with my work...If you want it all in writing I will just keep working on my article...If you have some balls to stand up live and thin on your feet let me know...

Well dude, after reading that post, I got one word for ya...

Coward.

[RandFan]

Zzzzz I told you, if you all can't be a part of it, you all want to whine and complain...the radio show is archived and saved to later break downs...When you all are serious let us know...until then I will just continue on with my work...If you want it all in writing I will just keep working on my article...If you have some balls to stand up live and thin on your feet let me know... DJ,

Click here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1690781#post1690781). That is the thread that has been set up for you and Gravy. Is there any reason you won't? This is your opportunity. We don't need to wait for anything. It can start now and it is a medium you use every day.

None of the JREFers other than Gravy will post there. So here is your opportunity. I'm looking forward to reading your posts.

RandFan

[R.Mackey]

Do you really think I came here to debate a whole site full of scared little kids?

I came here out of sheer boredom till Gravy and Dubfan get their scared asses to go on a "small little internet radio show" so they dont have their Ninja team to come in with all of this BS lol

I told you Im just here for the Free Pie and Chips...maybe some Kool Aid.
So, in other words, his presence here was solely to post spam for a podcast. (I do hope his "DJ'ing" has a wider audience.)

I have to say, this quality of intellect is far lower than my already low expectations. If you're still reading, sir, please post a coherent argument and prove me wrong.

Suggestion for Gravy and Dubfan, who have done yeoman's work here -- since DJ2Kwhatever insists on broadcast, for reasons that escape me, I don't suppose either of you know of any more legitimate media that might host such a debate? One with more than 50 listeners and higher standards of reporting, I mean?

[RandFan]

Suggestion for Gravy and Dubfan, who have done yeoman's work here -- since DJ2Kwhatever insists on broadcast, for reasons that escape me, I don't suppose either of you know of any more legitimate media that might host such a debate? One with more than 50 listeners and higher standards of reporting, I mean?Actually that is a pretty good idea.

[pgwenthold]

Why are you all so dead set on being on a forum so you all can pat each other on the back and it saves you from thinking on your feet? Is that it?

Since the question is about "truth," it's not obvious to me why "thinking on your feet" matters. I would think that ultimately it should come down to being able to provide verifiable information that can be examined closely.

I mean, it is about finding out the truth, right?

As for why they are dead set about it being in this forum, I think it is because they feel secure that they won't be banned as soon as things start getting dicey.

[dubfan]

Actually that is a pretty good idea.

Gravy suggested that Team JREF Ninja Wave respond to the "9/11 Scholars for Truth" request for a debate with government experts on 9/11. I thought it was a serious request (although Gravy might differ) and worthy of consideration.

The government plainly has no interest in offering legitimacy to a bunch of CTs by entering into debate with them, so I'm sure it was just a bluff on the Scholars' part designed to discredit the Kean report and FEMA/NIST, etc.

We should call their bluff.

[Ducky]

Why are you all so dead set on being on a forum so you all can pat each other on the back and it saves you from thinking on your feet? Is that it?



Funny, the same could be said for the LC forum. Of course we don't ban people because we disagree with them...

So you're here and for the most part all I see is insults and rhetoric and not one iota of evidence to debunk any of Gravy's paper on the film.

You just come here to insult, or are you going to pony up some actual evidence and seriously discuss anything?

[Kage]

First he is waiting for Gravy to show up, then when Gravy does show up, he leaves. Somehow I imagine that this will be porttrayed as DJ pwning Gravy, which is typical. To paraphrase Master Shake, this is topsy turvey world.

[realitybites]

We should call their bluff.
I agree. Although my debating skills are a little rusty, I'm a damn good waterboy and can certainly chime in when a good Star Wars reference is needed to drive the point home.

In all seriousness though... what are the odds we could do something like that?

[CptColumbo]

First he is waiting for Gravy to show up, then when Gravy does show up, he leaves. Somehow I imagine that this will be porttrayed as DJ pwning Gravy, which is typical. To paraphrase Master Shake, this is topsy turvey world.

Maybe he went to work? I think we should show a little patience...

No rush...

Plenty of time...

WTF MAN LET'S GET MOVING HERE!!!

Seriously, let's give him an oppurtunity to prepare a post with proper notation. That was why I wanted a written debate, rather than a live one.

[Regnad Kcin]

Paranoia?...

I had never followed government or conspiracies before 9/11. I could have honestly cared less...

But anyone who can watch what happened that day and say the planned it in a cave, and pulled off their plans the way they did...Are nutjobs.

there was no paranoia because I hadn't exposed myself to it, so I had nothing to be pananoid about...

You people make me sick...

I feel bad for everyone who died on 9/11 and you all choose to turn a blind eye to finding out what really happened to them. "CT'ers at least want to know what happened, they care more than someone who is just going to turn their back and make excuses to go with the official story...WHICH THE NIST ADMITS IS JUST A THEORY!
Punk.

[Belz...]

If the "study" was asking a group of military men to plan out an attack that used boxcutters to take of planes to fly them into the WTCs and to also use explosives in the process...You don't find that to suggest anything?

You wouldn't happen to have a scan of the original "plan", would you ?

[Belz...]

Exactly my point...You all have no proof of anything that went on on 9/11....except someone TOLD you what to believe...

Yes, indeed. The same thing you're doing here. Only THEY have evidence. YOU don't.

Its quite sad...If I had a close mind like what you all have, Id probably slit my wrists...

No you wouldn't, because close-minded people tend to think they have an open mind.

[Belz...]

Paranoia?...

I had never followed government or conspiracies before 9/11. I could have honestly cared less...

But anyone who can watch what happened that day and say the planned it in a cave, and pulled off their plans the way they did...Are nutjobs.

Unfortunately, that's not evidence, and it's not the kind of sentence that'll convince anyone, on any side.

I feel bad for everyone who died on 9/11

I feel bad for their families, really.

and you all choose to turn a blind eye to finding out what really happened to them.

We just don't let emotion get in the way of the truth.

"CT'ers at least want to know what happened, they care more than someone who is just going to turn their back and make excuses to go with the official story...WHICH THE NIST ADMITS IS JUST A THEORY!

Just like gravity.

[ZouPrime]

I've always found strange the willingness of CT believers to use Northwood as some kind of evidence for 9/11. If Northwood proves anything, it is that a government willing to create a casus belli to support a war would never design something like 9/11 to begin with.

Northwood called for relatively small operations: mock attacks, fake bombing and sabotage, involving a very small number of victims (a plane) when there's victims, all far and away from the public eye. All things that make sense; the goal here is to provoke a reaction within the US population, not to kill and destroy indiscriminately. Countless states (including the US) has used similar tactics at one point or another in the past, so by itself Operation Northwood isn't anything special. And note that even with its relatively small scope, Nortwood was actually never implemented by the JFK administration.

9/11 on the other hand was anything but Northwood. We're talking here about thousands of deads, billions in damage, and the destruction of very important US landmarks, affecting the country economy in a very profound and permanent way. In scope, it is many orders of magnitude bigger than Nortwood. If the goal is a mere casus belli, it's a complete overkill. And a risky one too: there're advantages of blowing a plane far and away from the public eye, while doing all these things right in front of everybody is massively stupid when you want to hide a conspiracy. If the Bush government had conspired to create 9/11 (assuming MIHOP here), it would NEVER have done 9/11. Too complicated, too costly, way too risky, and completely unecessary given the stated goal. And why put the blame on Saudis and not on Iraqis? Why destroy the WTC? Why risk that important millitary assets get killed in the Pentagon? There's far too many ways the plan could have seriously backfire for even think about attempting it, when much easier, much less riskier solutions could be easily designed.

[MarkyX]

I always found it funny that people bring up Northwoods and "IT PROVES TEH GOVERNMENT HAS THE BRAINS TO THINK ABOUT ITZZ"

Do they honestly believe that if this actually went to court, that Operation Northwoods (a document not written by their adminstration, 40 years ago before Bush was elected, and never happened) would actually be used as good evidence against them? No, they'll be laughed at by the courthouse.

Sorry but this doesn't prove anything. Anyone who fails to see the lack of connection are simply twisting or ignoring evidence to suite their agenda. Then again, most of the emails I've been getting that I get that don't accuse me for being in the CIA, FBI, Mossad, Global Elite, or threaten my life, always in the end up accusing me of being a Bush Supporter.

It really shows me the CT's true colors. They either dislike the government because it's the government, or they are trying to get a ******** of money for it (Dylan, Jones), or just 'ammo' against Bush so they can hold a sign instead of working. These people do not care about 9/11 or it's victims.

[kookbreaker]

It really shows me the CT's true colors. They either dislike the government because it's the government, or they are trying to get a ******** of money for it (Dylan, Jones), or just 'ammo' against Bush so they can hold a sign instead of working.

The Apollo Hoax thread over there showed those colors well. Even one 911 doubter, after destroying all the hoax claims was left with a bunch of guys saying 'How can you beleive it, lol!'. At one point he was just exasperated and said 'Does it ever occour to you that the government can tell the truth as well as lie?'. The replies indicated that they seemed to think this was not possible.

[realitybites]

But anyone who can watch what happened that day and say the planned it in a cave, and pulled off their plans the way they did...Are nutjobs.
And what exactly are people who believe that the government (the Bush Administration no less) not only pulled this off, but published their intentions (via Northwoods and PNAC) for the whole world to see?

I'll see you're "nutjob" and raise you an "effing certifiable".

[MarkyX]

With apologies to Pardalis, have you considered Cananda?

They take in refugees.

Oh hell no. I will ran this guy over before he crossed the border.

[Orb]

Over on the Gravy only thread, He posted links to the accusations of DK. Most of them aren't working now. Looks like someone removed them.

[MarkyX]

All you people do is make excuses....

You lack the ability to connect 2 and 2 to make 4. To you all and Negative times a Negative would NEVER equal a positive...

It's quite sad.

Coming from the same guy who believes all explosions are from bombs

http://newsfromrussia.com/accidents/2005/02/13/58231.html


A raging fire swept through the upper levels of an empty, 32-story office building in downtown Madrid early Sunday, causing no serious injuries but collapsing the top floors in a shower of flaming debris.

Bright orange flames shot out the sides of the Windsor Building, which is near one of Madrid's main boulevards.

The fire started around 11:30 p.m. Saturday and was still burning out of control several hours later. At least nine upper stories were on fire and muffled explosions could be heard in the building.

http://www.cabel.name/images-post/2006/01/roflcopter.gif

[chipmunk stew]

Over on the Gravy only thread, He posted links to the accusations of DK. Most of them aren't working now. Looks like someone removed them.I think some of the links are just broken. (They point to urls that are truncated by ellipses--probably were copy-pasted, rather than copy_shortcut-pasted)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Zzzzz I told you, if you all can't be a part of it, you all want to whine and complain...the radio show is archived and saved to later break downs...When you all are serious let us know...until then I will just continue on with my work...If you want it all in writing I will just keep working on my article...If you have some balls to stand up live and thin on your feet let me know...

Roxdog's pudcast meets none of the criteria for a proper debate: it is not on neutral ground, it is not judged by an impartial third-party, and it does not have a formal format.

What you are asking for is a talk-show like confrontation, a la Jerry Springer.

[dubfan]

It's awfully quiet in the LC "Skeptics" forum this morning.

Too quiet.

*cues ominous music*

[Belz...]

I don't know a single thing...

Obviously why I am stalling...

Not that I said several times on the LC boards that I would not take part in a 50 person debate with all of JREF trying to team up.

I'm not teaming up with anyone. Everyone here's just trying to contribute to your sanity.

[Belz...]

Why would we want to be like you all and over flow a board with immaturity and gang posting?

POT AND KETTLE ALERT!!!

[Pardalis]

It's awfully quiet in the LC "Skeptics" forum this morning.

Too quiet.

*cues ominous music*

They're in mourning. Their friend Al-Zarqawi is dead.

[Belz...]

Poor Poor kids....You really think Im here entertaining you with pointless posts because it's all I have, I will let you keep going on and on with your petty nonsense...

When the person (Gravy) shows his face then we can get things started , I posted it clear as day that I would not start a debate against this whole board...

Wuss.

I got 2 words for yah....

Aw, not another DX fan...

[EvilBiker]

Poor Poor kids....You really think Im here entertaining you with pointless posts because it's all I have, I will let you keep going on and on with your petty nonsense...

When the person (Gravy) shows his face then we can get things started , I posted it clear as day that I would not start a debate against this whole board...you dont like it tough...

I got 2 words for yah....

What a waste of protein this idiot is.

[Pardalis]

What a waste of protein this idiot is.

That's the first time I hear that one. ;)

[Ducky]

Over on the Gravy only thread, He posted links to the accusations of DK. Most of them aren't working now. Looks like someone removed them.



Google cache time.


You can remove your page directly, but google still caches...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Google cache time.


You can remove your page directly, but google still caches...

Any chance the waybackmachine would have them?

[CurtC]

Google's cache and the wayback machine (archive.org) respect a server if it tells their robots not to cache the data, and I believe most forums are this way.

[dubfan]

Google's cache and the wayback machine (archive.org) respect a server if it tells their robots not to cache the data, and I believe most forums are this way.

I thought we'd established that the problem with those links was they were truncated during the copy/paste operation...not that they'd been deleted?

[Mojo]

Why are you all so dead set on being on a forum so you all can pat each other on the back and it saves you from thinking on your feet?Well, I can see why you would prefer debate by ambush to giving the participants time to do a bit of research and dig out the evidence, but it's hardly a good way to arrive at the truth, is it?

[delphi_ote]

WHICH THE NIST ADMITS IS JUST A THEORY!
It's interesting that for many years public schools have allowed only one view, when you consider that evolution is just a theory and not a fact.
… the whole theory of ‘the Holocaust’ has been created by and promulgated by political Zionism …
The circle is complete.

[Stellafane]

BTW, does DJLegacy still have the nerve to post in the LC forum? If so, are his fellow CT'ers hounding him into oblivion for so utterly disgracing and humiliating their movement? Or is it like nothing ever happened?

If I were a CT'er with an once of sense (perhaps an oxymoron), I wouldn't let DJ rest until he explained his cowardly actions. And if I were DJ (ugh, what an awful thought) I'd at least try to make some excuse, like claiming disinformation agents hijacked my computer and pretended they were me to make me look as bad as possible. Because frankly, if little DJ were my worst enemy, and I set out to completely destroy his credibility, I couldn't think of a better way to do it than what he did to himself.

[kookbreaker]

BTW, does DJLegacy still have the nerve to post in the LC forum? If so, are his fellow CT'ers hounding him into oblivion for so utterly disgracing and humiliating their movement? Or is it like nothing ever happened?

These are conspiracy nutters, DJ could have falled flat on his face, insisted the world is flat, claimed that he was the real King of England, and discussed his fecophilia habits and he would return to a bunch of LC'ers claiming he PWNED us.

I note that in the thread where he banned the guy for posting a pic of tubrine, he worded it such that people who beleive we landed on the Moon are now afraid of being banned.

[Belz...]

The circle is complete.

That Ockham Sword is getting sharper by the minute, Delphi!

[hellaeon]

It's awfully quiet in the LC "Skeptics" forum this morning.

Too quiet.

*cues ominous music*

Because they just ban everyone.
Thats the victory for them hahahaha...ahh kids....

[hellaeon]

Im still wondering why DJLunacy wont post in the forum everyone morally agreed to keep out of? then its between him and gravy alone. Everyone can see whats going on. He is uselss.

[Apollyon]

I don't believe DJRunaway's objective was ever to debate in this forum to begin with. His manner and rudeness during posting implied that he was looking to get banned so he could run back to the Loosers and proclaim with much brashness "See. They are afraid of the truth at JREF."

When he didn't get banned and Gravy called him to the floor his plan backfired so all he could do was tuck tail and do his best Forest Gump imitation.

Ironically, he got a far wider berth here then any JREF ninja would have gotten at LC before being banned (and he can STILL come back if he ever grows some nads). So his appearance vividly exposed not only his own lack of testicular fortitude, but exposed the mods over at LC as the same kind of fascists that Loosers so often complain about.

Want freedom of speech? Come to JREF. Want to be shut down for dissent (Don't you dare belive we landed on the moon, you shill!), go to the Looser forum.

[RandFan]

Want freedom of speech? Come to JREF. Want to be shut down for dissent (Don't you dare belive we landed on the moon, you shill!), go to the Looser forum. Thank you.

[Regnad Kcin]

It's like I've said earlier in these discussions: the Loose Change forum is not for debate or discussion such as we enjoy here. It's a club, a place for fanboys with similar interests.

You would never visit a forum dedicated to, say, Ford Mustangs and be able to post much in the way of criticism or open-ended chat, 'cause they love their 'Stangs to the point of near blind devotion. Same thing with LC.

[CptColumbo]

It's like I've said earlier in these discussions: the Loose Change forum is not for debate or discussion such as we enjoy here. It's a club, a place for fanboys with similar interests.

You would never visit a forum dedicated to, say, Ford Mustangs and be able to post much in the way of criticism or open-ended chat, 'cause they love their 'Stangs to the point of near blind devotion. Same thing with LC.
You got a problem with 'Stangs.

[delphi_ote]

You got a problem with 'Stangs.
Yea. I hate where they put the pickup switches!

[Ducky]

You got a problem with 'Stangs.



I had a 1973 Mach 1 with a 351 Cleveland uner the hood. I loved that car. It was a fastback though, and I'd never owned a car that had a rear window damn near prallel to the ground...

[CptColumbo]

I had a 1973 Mach 1 with a 351 Cleveland uner the hood. I loved that car. It was a fastback though, and I'd never owned a car that had a rear window damn near prallel to the ground...

I still have a '71 convertible.

[Belz...]

I still have a '71 convertible.

If I had taken my driver's at 16, I'd have a '69 Mach 1. Damn me to HELL!

[CptColumbo]

If I had taken my driver's at 16, I'd have a '69 Mach 1. Damn me to HELL! I'll say.

[Belz...]

I'll say.

Previously owned by my grandfather. I'm not THAT old.

[valis]

You got a problem with 'Stangs.


The're fine, might even be able to outrun my 'vette, depending on how much of a head start I give you of course......

[Hellbound]

You got a problem with 'Stangs.

Personally, I just prefer a vehicle that isn't owned by 1/4 of the male 18-25 population.

[Ducky]

Personally, I just prefer a vehicle that isn't owned by 1/4 of the male 18-25 population.



Which is why my next muscle car will be a charger.

[Hellbound]

Which is why my next muscle car will be a charger.

I'm going to get a Dodge rabbit, rip out the firewall and front seats, and slap in a 454 or so.

;)

[Gravy]

I'm going to get a Dodge rabbit, rip out the firewall and front seats, and slap in a 454 or so.

;)
Do you mean an Omni, the pseudo-Rabbit?

[Mr. Skinny]

Do you mean an Omni, the pseudo-Rabbit?
Thank you, Gravy.

As the owner of a 75 Rabbit, a 77 Rabbit, and 80 Rabbit, an 84 GTI and a 2002 GTI I'm glad to see you identify the Omni as a pseudo-Rabbit.

I wanted to respond to this when I read it at work, put we government shills aren't allowed to transmit over the net without approval.

ETA: Dubfan and I are not the same person.

[delphi_ote]

So I'm the only one that thought about guitars? Dammit!

You could all be really cool like me and drive a 20 year old Saab...

[Mr. Skinny]

So I'm the only one that thought about guitars? Dammit!
Sorry Delphi, I only play acoustic (1974 Alvarez Yairi). I assume a 'Stang is an electric, and I don't know squat about electrics.

[Ducky]

Sorry Delphi, I only play acoustic (1974 Alvarez Yairi). I assume a 'Stang is an electric, and I don't know squat about electrics.


The Fender Mustang (http://www.jag-stang.com/mustangIndex.shtml)is a very distinct looking guitar. Vintage versions of that model are very sought after.

There is a version called the Jag-Stang (http://www.jag-stang.com/SiteImages/jagstang3.gif) reportedly designed by Kurt Cobain.

But I only play Paul Reed Smith (http://www.prsguitars.com/) electrics and Martin (http://www.martinguitar.com/) accoustics...

[Mr. Skinny]

The Fender Mustang (http://www.jag-stang.com/mustangIndex.shtml)is a very distinct looking guitar. Vintage versions of that model are very sought after.

There is a version called the Jag-Stang (http://www.jag-stang.com/SiteImages/jagstang3.gif) reportedly designed by Kurt Cobain.

But I only play Paul Reed Smith (http://www.prsguitars.com/) electrics and Martin (http://www.martinguitar.com/) accoustics...
Thanks, fowlsound. I recognized the Fender Mustang from your link as soon as I saw it. Lot's of rock groups used them in the 70's.

I always wanted to find a pre-WWII Martin D-28? in some granny's attic for sale for $25 bucks (obviously never happened *sigh*). I bought the Alvarez because it sounded good compared to a Martin (in 1974) and was about $100 less expensive than a Martin (and I paid $450 for the Alvarez in '74, IIRC)

[end of total derail]

[hellaeon]

You guys would love the custom twin necks used by the guys in my band.
A rythm neck and lead neck, the rythm, tuned an octave down Eb. the lead normal Eb tuning. The rythm neck uses bass strings. I guarentee you - its f#$%&*# heavy!

[Ducky]

Thanks, fowlsound. I recognized the Fender Mustang from your link as soon as I saw it. Lot's of rock groups used them in the 70's.

I always wanted to find a pre-WWII Martin D-28? in some granny's attic for sale for $25 bucks (obviously never happened *sigh*). I bought the Alvarez because it sounded good compared to a Martin (in 1974) and was about $100 less expensive than a Martin (and I paid $450 for the Alvarez in '74, IIRC)

[end of total derail]


Alvarez makes some fine guitars. I just am very very partial to Maritn Accoustics.

I am a total guitar snob. (and gear snob in general. Don't get me started on amps and effects.)

[dubfan]

Thank you, Gravy.

As the owner of a 75 Rabbit, a 77 Rabbit, and 80 Rabbit, an 84 GTI and a 2002 GTI I'm glad to see you identify the Omni as a pseudo-Rabbit.

I wanted to respond to this when I read it at work, put we government shills aren't allowed to transmit over the net without approval.

ETA: Dubfan and I are not the same person.

Nope.

82 Rabbit, 79 Scirocco, 80 Scirocco S, 83 GTI, 85 Golf, 87 Jetta here. Currently driving one of those wacky Stuttgart-designed VWs that was actually built in Uusikaupunki, Finland.

[Regnad Kcin]

For being the instigator of this thread's derail, I shall now do my penance and convert to a conspiracy theorist:

I did it. 9/11. With a bunch of guys (and one hot babe) speaking Esperanto whilst making S'mores around a campfire in the Fortress of Solitude while Superman was vacationing on the French Riviera with his "friend," Valéry Giscard d'Estaing. We're really sorry about the dirty dishes we left in the sink.

[RandFan]

You guys would love the custom twin necks used by the guys in my band.

A rythm neck and lead neck, the rythm, tuned an octave down Eb. the lead normal Eb tuning. The rythm neck uses bass strings. I guarentee you - its f#$%&*# heavy!Those don't look well suited for folk music or disco.

[Ducky]

Those don't look well suited for folk music or disco.



...or blues.

[WildCat]

You guys would love the custom twin necks used by the guys in my band.
A rythm neck and lead neck, the rythm, tuned an octave down Eb. the lead normal Eb tuning. The rythm neck uses bass strings. I guarentee you - its f#$%&*# heavy!
Without even hearing them, I know exactly how your band sounds. I must be psychic!

[delphi_ote]

...or blues.
I play on a Taylor acoustic and a Ibanez electric.

[rwguinn]

Alvarez makes some fine guitars. I just am very very partial to Maritn Accoustics.

I am a total guitar snob. (and gear snob in general. Don't get me started on amps and effects.)
Yup--
I play (at) a D-15 Martin (great sound for the money!) and an Alvarez 12 string--which also sounds good, even with me playing it!

[Ducky]

I play on a Taylor acoustic and a Ibanez electric.



Is that Ibanez a Gem 7 you Steve Vai wannabe? ;)

[delphi_ote]

Is that Ibanez a Gem 7 you Steve Vai wannabe? ;)
It's one of the RG models. It's for making noise.

The Taylor is for making pretty sounds.

[Ducky]

It's one of the RG models. It's for making noise.

The Taylor is for making pretty sounds.



Is the Taylor accoustic/electric? If so, call me.

[WildCat]

So DJLegacy likes Martins, and Gravy prefers Alvarez? :confused:

[Kochanski]

First off I dont work on your alls time...

Second off, I'll mosey on through these topics as I see fit...

Do I really care what a bunch of close minded skeptics think?...No. lmao

I came here for some entertainment, and Im getting it :-)

Along with free Pie and Chips.

Oh pooh, where did he go, I was going to tell him he needs to eat more chips ;)

[CurtC]

My axe is the Fender Leo Deluxe. Anyone else have one of those?

[Cetecea]

Mine is an Eastman 804. (mandolin)

[bjb]

One of these?

http://www.elderly.com/items/70U-2568.htm

I'm not sure if it's an axe or a frying pan!

For what it's worth, I got the Mustang joke. The pickup switches are a nightmare but they do allow for phase reversal. Personally, I hate the Mustang because of the crappy trem, but there seem to be some people who've figured out how to set the trem just right and make the guitar playable. A friend has a '78 sunburst Mustang with the thick-skin decopage finish and it weighs a ton. It sounds nice, though.

Here's my 'ride', a Jaguar (on the left):

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bb8543/detail?.dir=82e7&.dnm=2189.jpg

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I feel like such a hack with my Ibanez and Peavey setup :(

[atari24]

A Fender Jaguar is the only guitar I need. That being said, I have four guitars.

[sat556]

Here's my 'ride', a Jaguar (on the left):


I had a really old one of those, one of the originals with the dodgy paint they used at the time. It was very cracked and lined, but I loved it as it looked kind fo scruffy, a bit like me :D

Always managed to knock the bottom E off though.

[Johnny Pixels]

The Mustang body looks a lot like the Fender Jazz Bass body, in much the same way the P-Bass and Strat bodies are similar.

FWIW, I've got an Epiphone Les Paul, and a Squire P-Bass, because I don't have the £2000 or so that I'd need to get the Gibson and Fender versions.

[CptColumbo]

My "Axe" is a Craftsman. Although I have no fireplace where I live now.

[XXX]

Sweet, we're talking about guitars now? I have 2, a Robin (you've probably never heard of the company, they made good guitars) telecaster and a Gibson Les Paul. And they hook up to my pride and joy, a Marshall JCM 800 Lead series head and a nice silver anniversary 4 speaker cabinet underneth. I went to GIT in Los Angeles, for those who know about that place. Play off and on right now, but the rock star dream is over for me.

[steve s]

Got an Alvarez acoustic. I used to have a Kramer Strat-copy. That guitar had the thinnest neck I've ever seen on a guitar. It was the thinnest of wafers.;)

Oh, and in regard to 'stangs. I had a '68 Mustang years ago.

Steve S.

[Regnad Kcin]

Did you guys know the Fortress of Solitude doesn't get cable? What's up with that?

Oh, and there's dust bunnies under Superman's sofa. Don't ask me how I found out.

[CptColumbo]

Did you guys know the Fortress of Solitude doesn't get cable? What's up with that?

Oh, and there's dust bunnies under Superman's sofa. Don't ask me how I found out.

DON'T MESS WITH THE "S!"

I'll have you know that the sofas in the Fortress hover. The repulsar lifts under the couches would push any dust away, plus Kryptonian science had long ago eliminated dust.

[Hutch]

Did you guys know the Fortress of Solitude doesn't get cable? What's up with that?

Oh, and there's dust bunnies under Superman's sofa. Don't ask me how I found out.


Hmmmm, we're getting great reception over here at Doc Savage's Blue Dome.

Besides, his place was known as the Fortress of Solitude before that immigrant Kal-El showed up....;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Solitude

[delphi_ote]

Mine is an Eastman 804. (mandolin)
:g1::Banane08:

[Pardalis]

Did you guys know the Fortress of Solitude doesn't get cable? What's up with that?

The Crystals man! You don't need tv and cable when you got the Crystals!

That green one is like the power button.

[Cetecea]

:g1::Banane08:

funkybluejazzgrass!