Victor Danilchenko, are you Russian?

[JAR]

Victor Danilchenko, are you Russian?

When I saw your avatar today, it hit me how Russian you look and I started cracking up and laughed for a long time. You're the most ridiculously Russian looking dude I have ever seen.

[Victor Danilchenko]

I am not russian -- and you are not only a bigot, but an ignorant bigot (is there any other kind?)

By the way, I know very well how russians tend to look, and I know for a fact that I don't look russian.

Nice troll, dude. Keep it up.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by JAR
Victor Danilchenko, are you Russian?

When I saw your avatar today, it hit me how Russian you look and I started cracking up and laughed for long time. You're the most ridiculously Russian looking dude I have ever seen.
You probably think his name looks Russian too. Victor is one of the few people here (which does not include me) with the courage to use his real name and photo.

Come on, Jar, couldn't you come up with a better adverb than "ridiculously"? That sort of comment makes you sound idiotically American.

[DavidJames]

"Victor is one of the few people here (which does not include me) with the courage to use his real name and photo."

Are you saying that mean looking blue guy isn't you :)

[DanishDynamite]

Originally posted by JAR
Victor Danilchenko, are you Russian?

When I saw your avatar today, it hit me how Russian you look and I started cracking up and laughed for long time. You're the most ridiculously Russian looking dude I have ever seen. What possible relevance does Victor's origin have? What matters is the coherence of his arguments, which is usually quite good.

You, on the other hand, are a joke, JAR.

[Cleopatra]

Oh Charmion! How many Royal Crocodiles someone must breed in order to keep the fools in a reasonable ratio on this planet?

It's ok Victor, those who are afraid to debate develop strange habits...you know that ;)

[Charles Livingston]

Victor,
May I ask what ethnicity your name (assuming it is your real name) comes from?

[Victor Danilchenko]

Yes, that's my real name; it's Ukrainian. I myself am mostly 1/2 ukrainian and 1/2 jewish, with some russian, polish, mongolian, and gypsy mixed in in smaller quantities.

[Charles Livingston]

Thanks, I was just curious of course.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
Yes, that's my real name; it's Ukrainian. I myself am mostly 1/2 ukrainian and 1/2 jewish, with some russian, polish, mongolian, and gypsy mixed in in smaller quantities.
Is Gypsy (or Romany) really a nationality? I thought it was more of a lifestyle.

[Victor Danilchenko]

Tricky

Is Gypsy (or Romany) really a nationality? I thought it was more of a lifestyle.yes, it is. AFAIK, gypsies are ethnically a branch of the aryans that went down to Persia and India. Romany language is related to Sanskrit.

[renata]

Originally posted by Tricky

Is Gypsy (or Romany) really a nationality? I thought it was more of a lifestyle.

As far as I know, Gypsy is a distinct nationality. I believe some non ethnic Gypsies were assimilated into the Gypsy tribes attracted by the lifestyle.

I have not heard of Gypsies being referred to as "Romany"

Never mind, Victor answered earlier and better.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
Yes, that's my real name; it's Ukrainian. I myself am mostly 1/2 ukrainian and 1/2 jewish, with some russian, polish, mongolian, and gypsy mixed in in smaller quantities.

What languages do you speak?

[Victor Danilchenko]

Tony

What languages do you speak?English, Russian, Ukrainian, a little Polish, a little Hebrew, a little Latin. The latter three are deteriorating rapidly due to lack of practice.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
Tricky

yes, it is. AFAIK, gypsies are ethnically a branch of the aryans that went down to Persia and India. Romany language is related to Sanskrit.
Very interesting! I googled some info on The Romany (http://www.romany.gypsyministries.com/history.html) and it is fascinating. Seems that one of your ancestors commited a very foul deed(by their standards) by marrying outside of The Romany.

[Frostbite]

Originally posted by JAR
Victor Danilchenko, are you Russian?

When I saw your avatar today, it hit me how Russian you look and I started cracking up and laughed for long time. You're the most ridiculously Russian looking dude I have ever seen.

Did I miss something or is this just an uncalled-for angst attack?

[whitefork]

It is worth knowing that most surnames in -ko and -chuk are in fact Ukranian.

Don't mix up the various ethnicities that were present in the former USSR. It antagonizes just about all of them. And those Ukranians are know to be particularly unforgiving. Something to do with the "frontier" mentality. (little linguistic joke for Victor).

[JAR]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
I am not russian -- and you are not only a bigot, but an ignorant bigot (is there any other kind?)

By the way, I know very well how russians tend to look, and I know for a fact that I don't look russian.

Nice troll, dude. Keep it up.
Victor, this is a celebration of how Russian you look. So your last name is Slavic, I was close enough.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
a little Latin.
I took two years of Latin in high school. I don't remember much except case endings for nouns. I like ancient stuff.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
I am not russian -- and you are not only a bigot, but an ignorant bigot (is there any other kind?)

By the way, I know very well how russians tend to look, and I know for a fact that I don't look russian.

Nice troll, dude. Keep it up.
Sorry, where I live there aren't many Russians. I knew two when I was in high school. I also knew one person who was Georgian. If you count Jewish Russians as Russian, I know more people who are Russian.

I can't even tell whether a person is German, Irish or English in ancestry, although I'm all three of them. Shows how ignorant I am.

[JAR]

Originally posted by whitefork
Don't mix up the various ethnicities that were present in the former USSR. It antagonizes just about all of them. And those Ukranians are know to be particularly unforgiving.
If an ethnic group hasn't done anything bad yet, chances are, it hasn't been given a chance to.

[crackmonkey]

What a bizarre thread...

[JAR]

Originally posted by DanishDynamite
What possible relevance does Victor's origin have? What matters is the coherence of his arguments, which is usually quite good.

You, on the other hand, are a joke, JAR.
This isn't about the coherence of his arguments. Victor just has a very interesting face. I thought I would point it out. You have to admit that the hairstyle is very Russian.

[crackmonkey]

You mean parted on the side? What are you smoking, guy?

[JAR]

Originally posted by crackmonkey
You mean parted on the side? What are you smoking, guy?
Just think of the mustache and goatee(I don't know how you spell the word)-like thing. That's similar to the Trotsky look.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by JAR
Victor Danilchenko, are you Russian?

When I saw your avatar today, it hit me how Russian you look and I started cracking up and laughed for long time. You're the most ridiculously Russian looking dude I have ever seen.

I think you are confusing Russia and the USSR. Victor certainly has an Eastern European appearance and name. However, once you start getting into all those nationalities, I get lost. I can do reasonably well with the Asians and Europeans. I can even tell a Canadian from a USian now.

[JAR]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
I can even tell a Canadian from a USian now.
Perhaps its because Canadians wear those caps with the built-in ear muff like things. They also drink more, according to the movie "Strange Brew."

[UnrepentantSinner]

I once worked with a guy with a Russian accent and I asked him what ethnicity he was (I knew he wasn't ethnically Russian as he looked Caucasian - and I mean the real Caucasian, not Anglo white). It took him a few minutes to realize that an ignorant American might realize that just because he spoke Russian it didn't mean he was ethnically Russian.

It turned out he was Azerbaijani and I he almost s**t when I asked him if he was from Baku.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by a_unique_person

I can even tell a Canadian from a USian now.
Well, obviously! Those Canadians, with their flapping heads and beady eyes.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by WildCat

Well, obviously! Those Canadians, with their flapping heads and beady eyes.
I think he had something more like this in mind.http://www.lockley.net/images/hosers-200x192v.jpg

[jj]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
Yes, that's my real name; it's Ukrainian. I myself am mostly 1/2 ukrainian and 1/2 jewish, with some russian, polish, mongolian, and gypsy mixed in in smaller quantities.

I've worked with several other Ukrainian folks. I dare say that none of them were very interested in being considered Russian.

You are the first who wasn't blond and blue-eyed, though.

While we could discuss the years after the end of WW2, it's a nice day, let's not. Just remember not to let it happen again?

[corplinx]

What's so bad about being russian that saying someone looks russian is an insult?

Personally, I though Victor was mexican.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by corplinx
What's so bad about being russian that saying someone looks russian is an insult?

Personally, I though Victor was mexican.

It's bad if you had your country exploited by the Russians during the years of the USSR. If Hitler hadn't been so racist, he would have had millions joining up with him to invade Russia during the war. They saw the Nazis as liberators at first, on the now popular, 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' principal.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by corplinx
What's so bad about being russian that saying someone looks russian is an insult?

Personally, I though Victor was mexican.

Would you like being called a Canadian?

[Tony]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner


Would you like being called a Canadian?

or worse, a yankee. :eek:

[Tony]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


.....on the now popular, 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' principal.

You must not know your history, that has been popular for years.

[Fade]

For the record, Victor is one of the cutest men I have ever seen.

I always just assumed the name/face was Jewish and something Eastern/Southern European.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner


Would you like being called a Canadian?

I take it as a proud compliment everytime it happens.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by KelvinG


I take it as a proud compliment everytime it happens.
So who do you look most like - Terrance & Phillip or Bob & Doug? :D

[JAR]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
Would you like being called a Canadian?
Being called Canadian is not insulting. James Randi is Canadian. I've got nothing against Canadians. I have noticed the Canadians often speak English. The dialect of English I hear from them is very similar to what you hear white people speaking in parts of the U.S.A. outside of the south. Perhaps Americans immigrated to Canada in the past.

[Ove]

Victor my friend, to steal the thread, i was in Kyiv this weekend, playing at the Europe Day 2003 and i must say that the people we met was some of the friendliest and helpfull people you could imagine. We was out eating saturday night, and had Borstch (sorry for the spelling) and Chicken Kiev and it was delicious (so was the Vodka ;) ).

Our guides was two young girls, one studying Business Law and the other studying to be a Journalist and we really got the impression of a country in the fast forward lane, true, they got some way to go yet but they are definitely on the move.

[BillyTK]

What the flup does "Russian looking" mean, and what's the relevance of this thread to a skeptics' forum devoted to politics and current events? Is this some kind of bizarre suggestion that the credibility of your views depends on your ethnic origin and how closely you match stereotypical characteristics of your ethnicity?

Dunno whether to set me whippets on JAR or go after him/her with me shillelagh!

[Underemployed]

As someone with an East-Euro name ending in '-ski', I have my stock response of "Half Czech, half Polish, little bit of French but all English" ready.

I have often been told I don't look "English" too. My Maternal Grandmother claimed some Romany heritage and I am blood group B, which I understand is historically linked to the Gypsy race.

Off topic, I recall reading a report from a Japanese paper giving advice to ladies seeking partners to check out the blood group of their prospective mate. They advised going for group A men, as they were more likely to be industrious and hard working. Group B men were to be avoided, as they were lazy, and more likely to be journalists...

Oh, and JAR...

If you count Jewish Russians as Russian, I know more people who are Russian.

Do you know Jewish Americans? Do you count them as Americans?

[LW]

Originally posted by JAR

Victor, this is a celebration of how Russian you look. So your last name is Slavic, I was close enough.

You are aware that Russians and Ukrainians have had, how would I put it, some little misunderstandings during past centuries, aren't you? Little things like conquering each other (though, that has been quite one-sided), burning villages, revolts, ending the same by impaling all participants together with their families, and starving few dozens of millions of people in partly-deliberate famines, that kinds of little things.

So, you shouldn't be surprised that an Ukrainian doesn't necessarily take it as a compliment if you confuse him with a Russian.

[Victor Danilchenko]

whitefork

Don't mix up the various ethnicities that were present in the former USSR. It antagonizes just about all of them. And those Ukranians are know to be particularly unforgiving.That's because Ukraine spent three centuries as an occupied territory of Russian empire, and later USSR, undergoing suppression of language and culture, and weathered multiple attempts at outright genocide. There's a lot of resentment against russian rule, and unfortunately against russians themselves. I personally don't take offense at being assumed to be russian (unless it's done JAR-style), and I have no enmity towards russians, but it was a great day for me when Ukraine attained independence.

[Victor Danilchenko]

jj

I've worked with several other Ukrainian folks. I dare say that none of them were very interested in being considered Russian.

You are the first who wasn't blond and blue-eyed, though.That's a statistical fluke. Ukrainians tend to have brown or black hair and eyes almost universally, and many have slightly darker skin, especially in the southern ukraine. Blond/blue-eyed phenotype is common among russians, but very rare among ukrainians. Perhaps your ukrainian acquaintances were from a particular region which tends to have more russified population, such as northern Ukraine or Donbass?

[Victor Danilchenko]

Fade

For the record, Victor is one of the cutest men I have ever seen.Why thank you, Fade, I feel the same way too. :) Were I not married...

[Tmy]

Originally posted by Tricky

Victor is one of the few people here (which does not include me) with the courage to use his real name and photo.

.

Courage or stupidity?

I think Victor is a good guy and all but I think he's crazy for putting his name and picture on the internet. You're breaking the first two internet commandments!

[Victor Danilchenko]

Tmy

Courage or stupidity?Well, I put my name and photo (and my real e-mail address, which mysteriously doesn't appear in my profile even though I checked "No" for Hide e-mail address) because I, personally, stand behind everything I say. You decide what that means.

I think Victor is a good guy and all but I think he's crazy for putting his name and picture on the internet. You're breaking the first two internet commandments!I don't abdicate responsibility for my actions, Internet 'commandments' notwithstanding. There's too much Internet claptrap that goes on because people aren't responsible for their actions on-line; I refuse to participate in that circus. It's a personal choice.

[Tmy]

Its your call Victor. But when college students all over the country are buying cheap domestic beer with "Victor Danilchenko" fake ID's, dont say I didnt warn you.

So they didnt change your family name to "Daniles" when grampa came off the boat.

[Victor Danilchenko]

Tmy

Its your call Victor. But when college students all over the country are buying cheap domestic beer with "Victor Danilchenko" fake ID's, dont say I didnt warn you.Dude, it's not like there's shortage of fake names and photos to have IDs under... and my photo won't help anyone else, anyway.

So they didnt change your family name to "Daniles" when grampa came off the boat.I am first-generation, came to US when I was 17. I did consider changing my last name, because most americans can't spell it or pronounce it, but my wife was against it.

[Tmy]

Came over at 17! You probably still have an accent then, huh.

I always thought the "first generation" tag went to the generation that was first to be born here.

[OBgac]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
whitefork

That's because Ukraine spent three centuries as an occupied territory of Russian empire, and later USSR, undergoing suppression of language and culture, and weathered multiple attempts at outright genocide. There's a lot of resentment against russian rule, and unfortunately against russians themselves. I personally don't take offense at being assumed to be russian (unless it's done JAR-style), and I have no enmity towards russians, but it was a great day for me when Ukraine attained independence.



Victor, did you ever read the Sienkiewicz book "with Fire and Sword" (Ogniem i Mieczem) about when present day Ukraine was sort of under the control of the polish noblemen? Whats the view in Ukraine about those times?

[Victor Danilchenko]

OBgac

Victor, did you ever read the Sienkiewicz book "with Fire and Sword" (Ogniem i Mieczem) about when present day Ukraine was sort of under the control of the polish noblemen?No, I didn't.

Whats the view in Ukraine about those times?First of all, Rech Pospolita never controlled entire Ukraine -- only the western half (right coast of Dniepr river). Secondly, the control was never as tight as it was under Russia, and in fact was constantly (and often successfully) challenged . Thirdly, it was a long time ago... so nobody I know of holds a grudge against the poles. Russia is a different matter.

[JAR]

Originally posted by BillyTK
What the flup does "Russian looking" mean, and what's the relevance of this thread to a skeptics' forum devoted to politics and current events? Is this some kind of bizarre suggestion that the credibility of your views depends on your ethnic origin and how closely you match stereotypical characteristics of your ethnicity?
No, BillyTK. Victor has a very interesting face and I thought I would point it out. Where I live, you don't see people who look like that. Its possible that he has an interesting life story.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Underemployed
Do you know Jewish Americans? Do you count them as Americans?
I do know Jewish Americans. I know quite a few. They are American in the sense that they live under the American government, they consider themselves Americans, and they speak American dialects of English.

Two Jewish people I have known also are big baseball fans. Baseball is a very American sport, so they are very American in that sense. So there are probably a lot of other aspects of the American Jews which make them characteristically American which I haven't listed.

[Victor Danilchenko]

JAR

No, BillyTK. Victor has a very interesting face and I thought I would point it out.Bullsh*t. "Ridiculously russian" -- to the point of "cracking up and laughing" -- is not merely pointing anything out. In fact, I don't look russian at all -- as far as I can tell, you simply concocted something insulting. Have some guts, and stand up to your stupidity and prejudice.

Where I live, you don't see people who look like that.BS. You don't have people who look central european in CA? Unless you see me in quarter-face, I look pretty much generic caucasian; and the photo I use doesn't show me in quarter-face.

For that matter, your profile says that you go to college. Most colleges these days have very international student body, so for you to claim that you don't see many people who look like that, is suspicious to say the least.

Furthermore, you have a short but distinguished history of spewing bigoted claims with wide-eyed innocense on JREF. Your attempts at damage control merely make you seem a coward, they do nothing to mitigate the impression you have created in others' minds.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
BS. You don't have people who look central european in CA? Unless you see me in quarter-face, I look pretty much generic caucasian; and the photo I use doesn't show me in quarter-face.

We don't have many Central European people where I live, or maybe we do and I can't tell them apart from other white people. Where I live, people tend to be white, black, Asian, or Mexican.

Where I live its hard to even find people who are Italian.

[Victor Danilchenko]

JAR

We don't have many Central European people where I live, or maybe we do and I can't tell them apart from other white people. Where I live, people tend to be white, black, Asian, or Mexican.So do you walk around cracking up and laughing each time you see someone who who doesn't look black, asian, or mexican?.. or do you only crack up when they are "ridiculously" non-black/asian/mexican-looking?

You remind me of a jerk I met once who, in trying to insult me, proclaimed that I have a "fruity slavic" moustache. Ignorance, stupidity, and bigotry go together so well...

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by JAR

No, BillyTK. Victor has a very interesting face and I thought I would point it out. Where I live, you don't see people who look like that. Its possible that he has an interesting life story.

Well it looks like Victor put you bang to rights with that one.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
So do you walk around cracking up and laughing each time you see someone who who doesn't look black, asian, or mexican?.. or do you only crack up when they are "ridiculously" non-black/asian/mexican-looking?

You remind me of a jerk I met once who, in trying to insult me, proclaimed that I have a "fruity slavic" moustache. Ignorance, stupidity, and bigotry go together so well...
Victor, in view of the vast unpopularity of belonging to the white American standard(just think of all those white people attending Pow Wows boasting that they're 0.000001 % Native American Indian in ancestry), I thought you'd take my recognition of your Slavic background as a compliment.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by JAR

Victor, in view of the vast unpopularity of belonging to the white American standard(just think of all those white people attending Pow Wows boasting that they're 0.000001 % Native American Indian in ancestry), I thought you'd take my recognition of your Slavic background as a compliment.

JAR, you continue to show your racism and bigotry with each new post, I suggest you quit. Maybe you don't go to college maybe you live in a group home for the Hopelessly Intellectualy Challenged.

Each quote just shows your ignorance to be frightenly deep, what do you see when you look in the mirror?

Funk Off

[Tricky]

Originally posted by JAR

I thought you'd take my recognition of your Slavic background as a compliment.
Perhaps then you should have used an adverb such as "strikingly" or "handsomly". Instead, you use the pejorative "ridiculoulsly. If you cannot forsee what sort of reaction that would engender, then it is true that these boards are far too deep for you.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Tricky
Perhaps then you should have used an adverb such as "strikingly" or "handsomly". Instead, you use the pejorative "ridiculoulsly. If you cannot forsee what sort of reaction that would engender, then it is true that these boards are far too deep for you.
Yes good idea. I shall rephrase it. Victor, you look strikingly Slavic in appearance.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Dancing David
JAR, you continue to show your racism and bigotry with each new post, I suggest you quit. Maybe you don't go to college maybe you live in a group home for the Hopelessly Intellectualy Challenged.

Each quote just shows your ignorance to be frightenly deep, what do you see when you look in the mirror?

Funk Off
You affirmative action enthusiasts love to throw out words like "racist" and "bigot" at your opponents in debate.

I didn't say anything in this thread that was marked by racism and bigotry.

Perhaps I'm ignorant as in I don't know all the biological types of people in Eastern Europe. If you want to know about all those genetic types in Eastern Europe, you should go to Victor. He seems to be the expert on that subject.

[jj]

Originally posted by Victor Danilchenko
jj

That's a statistical fluke. Ukrainians tend to have brown or black hair and eyes almost universally, and many have slightly darker skin, especially in the southern ukraine. Blond/blue-eyed phenotype is common among russians, but very rare among ukrainians. Perhaps your ukrainian acquaintances were from a particular region which tends to have more russified population, such as northern Ukraine or Donbass?

I remember place-names like Chelm and Luts'k.

Since I am quite igorant of the geography there, I'm not sure what this implies.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by JAR

Yes good idea. I shall rephrase it. Victor, you look strikingly Slavic in appearance.
Well said. I respect a person who admits they were wrong. I encourage your participation in these boards, Jar, but do watch out for people's feelings. Even though you can't see them, people here care about what is said about them and some have "issues". Try to respect that. If you do, you will be respected in return.

[Dancing David]

Why JAR you are quite the poet , strickingly Slavic has quite a ring, how about romanticaly russian, and wouldn't Colonel Sanders looks as much like lenin as VD does like TrotsKy?

The point I was making JAR is in assuming that someones nationality can be told by thier looks. Or by thier name, would you have made the comment if his last name was Daniels?

On the affirmative action thing, I have agrred recently that an economice menas test would be cool, as it would be color blind.

Peace