Loose Change - Part III

[chipmunk stew]

I'd say let them wallow in their own self delusion. The more evidence we show them, the more chance they have to address it. Leave them in the dark. they'll seem all the bigger idiots when joe public drops by for a question or two.I find it amusing to see their reaction to evidence. You can actually watch the dissonance ripple through the echo chamber. Occasionally, it will shake someone out of their hypnotic drift into the whirlpool and down the rabbit hole of insular, self-affirming group-think.

The more evidence they can only answer by accusations of fakery, the sillier and more paranoid their Inside Job theory sounds, which is a great service to joe public, IMO.

[MarkyX]

Alright, patching the final update of the 9/11 Deniers Speak. Did a few changes according to feedback and will be uploaded on Google Video.

[realitybites]

Mel Gibson just saw LC2E and was about to speak out on behalf of the Twoof so the gubmint run police-state set him up with the old "anti-semite" ploy. (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9294&st=0&#entry6446861)

[Grundar]

I notice Loose Change is now up on the IMDB and is accepting reviews and ratings from registered members.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831315/

A quick look at the ratings stats shows that credulity apparently increases with age. Younger voters are voting lower. (Although there aren't many votes registered yet.)

Is there any way to get Gravy's debunking listed under Goofs?

/Hans

[Mancman]

Hey!

JOHNDOEX is now an administrator!

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7660&st=840&

I hope this doesn't interfere with his flying ability.

Oh dear. I didn't think the Loose Change forum had any credibility left to lose. With jondoex being made an administrator, my assertion has been thoroughly debunked. :eek:

Note that the 747 pilot, Bilzilla, is now banned.

[Shrinker]

Is there any way to get Gravy's debunking listed under Goofs?

/Hans

Ha!! The goofs section - I forgot about that. That's gonna get busy in there! It takes a while to submit stuff like that - it's got be be approved before it appears. I'll try to submit some whever I get the chance. The Loosers will hate that, since they can't respond.

[sleahead]

I'd say let them wallow in their own self delusion. The more evidence we show them, the more chance they have to address it. Leave them in the dark. they'll seem all the bigger idiots when joe public drops by for a question or two

I agree with Chipmunk Stew. They have to be taken on over there. The problem is they bamboozle joe public with nonsense. For example, they'll say Marvin Bush was head of WTC security and joe public will say "Wow, I didn't know that". Regrettably, joe public takes too much of what they say at face value and so rebuttal of everything they say over there is the way to go.

[c0rbin]

A mass of incandescent gas?

A gigantic nuclear furnace.

[Hutch]

Maybe a new ally here; he doesn't know much (it appears) about 9-11 and this has hurt him, but if he really is a 4-yr physics major, he knows a lot more than most of the LC'ers. But he is arguing with JDX, so he may have a short stay there. I've invited him here if he gets banned.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9313&st=0&#entry6447603

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Mel Gibson just saw LC2E and was about to speak out on behalf of the Twoof so the gubmint run police-state set him up with the old "anti-semite" ploy. (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9294&st=0&#entry6446861)

Fascinating how they accuse others of what they themselves may be guilty of being associated with.

[Sentinel]

I assume you guys must be speaking about the little space cadet meeting on saturday. Quite funny that Dylan and Jason were held to the last portion of the party and even then Dylann was cut off because AJ realized that Dylan is a supreme brown noser.

Did you see the reaction of the crowd when Jason stated their goal was to be at ground zero and only three people cheered?


Robert Mackey, it was a joke, not to be taken seriously.


Mr Roberts, I commend your work.

Wolfshade, I commend the work. Yes, there is a connection to the neo nazi movement. The fact lies in Dylans statement on the lgf forum back in 2003 which they confirm. He denies it. He is a tool for a larger group which I believe is connected to AFP which by connection to carto is part American Nazis.

The fact the vanity fair article mentions thier little party in oneanta bas the lorderfest which is a bite of the german slang leave little to the guess work.

Jason stated to me in an E-mail that he is one quarter german jew on his fathers side.

Theres some other matters that is being investigated by Law Enforcement that revoles around korey Rowe and his admisssion that he knowingly supported the threats being made against the Copyright lawyers. He is quite stupid to say the least and explains why he was so easily swept up and manipulated by dylan.

The guy who seems to be running the show is jason bermas.


In refference to the Auxiliary Firefighters program, its the last of the Civil Defense act of 1951 under the Emergency Defense Act. The FDNY has Aux membership but because it was run like a circus and because no one knew where the workmans compensation stood for the longest time, we becan a pain in the ass campain against the department and the city.

I am a masterradioman FWDSIGINT. I hear everything and if there is something that needs to be known like yesterday I move it at the speed of light. Thats all I can say on the matter. It deals with Emergency Program Management.

We may not disagree on the issue of 9-11 but we do agree that disrespecting the dead at ground zero will not be tolerated,period.

Many thanks to the young lady running after the rig.

Keep defending ground zero.



Take care everyone.


Sentinel

[MarkyX]

**** man, you've changed. I like the new you.

I will be releasing the 9/11 Deniers video speak today. If you have a problem with Dylan and his crew disrespecting the victims at Ground Zero, you should see what they said in radio interviews! I also added the extra footage with you in it (great job btw) and poiniting out the fact that Dylan and Korey Rowe were near Jason when he said "I don't know these people"

The 9/11 Deniers are animals at best, and Alex Jones hides under his patriot blanket while sleeping on a bed full of money. Saying things like NORAD stood down or Mark Bingham did not exist greatly anger me to no extent. These people have no respect for facts nor the victims of 9/11

[sleahead]

Theres some other matters that is being investigated by Law Enforcement that revoles around korey Rowe and his admisssion that he knowingly supported the threats being made against the Copyright lawyers

Any details on this, Sentinel.

[chipmunk stew]

I just noticed something about the image in Chucksheen's sig, which looks like this, only bigger:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/nwo.jpg

But take a closer look at Condi:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/condi.jpg

Yes, folks. Condi is in blackface!

This group is in serious need of a PR manager. Not that it would make a difference at this point.

[MarkyX]

CTs aren't well known for copyright.

That image wasn't even given to Sheen. He found it on a site (I believe Colbert Nation) and simply added the URL.

But yeah, no class indeed.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Sentinal,

First off, thanks for the complement.

Second, and way more important; this is, by far, the most lucid post you've made here.

Regarding The fact lies in Dylans statement on the lgf forum back in 2003 which they confirm. What is the lgf forum?

Thanks in advance

[realitybites]

lgf is Little Green Footballs (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/) I believe.

[chipmunk stew]

CTs aren't well known for copyright.

That image wasn't even given to Sheen. He found it on a site (I believe Colbert Nation) and simply added the URL.

But yeah, no class indeed.Thanks for the information...but stop posting and finish your video, already! :D

[Regnad Kcin]

...my camerman's affinity for shooting women's rears when he gets bored.will those shots be available in the "making of..." version?Loose Change IV -- Conspiracy Theorists Gone Wild!

[Regnad Kcin]

I wonder, is johndoex naturally an ass, or does he stay up late at night practicing?When he brought up the beard thing, it became very clear that he's not anythng close to being a pilot, or even part of the airline industry. I almost fell out of my chair laughing.I don't understand. Can you elaborate?

[Brainster]

lgf is Little Green Footballs (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/) I believe.

Yes, here's a post by Charles that goes into Dylan's LGF trolling phase (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20119&only).

[Mancman]

I don't understand. Can you elaborate?

JonDoe claims that Billzilla cannot be a pilot because he has a beard that would apparently reduce the effectiveness of the seal of an emergency mask. The FAA prohibits such facial hair, apparently. Though jondoe didn't seem to care that Billzilla never flies to the US and thus is not governed by FAA regulations anyway.

[Belz...]

I assume you guys must be speaking about the little space cadet meeting on saturday. Quite funny that Dylan and Jason were held to the last portion of the party and even then Dylann was cut off because AJ realized that Dylan is a supreme brown noser.

[...]

Keep defending ground zero.

Take care everyone.

Sentinel

Wow. Your sentences are actually coherent, now.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Yes, here's a post by Charles that goes into Dylan's LGF trolling phase (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20119&only).

Here's the from '03

9/9/2003: Nazimedia: Love Me, Daddy!

The foul antisemites at Nazimedia, dropped from Google News for their insane hatred of Israel, are now trying to lash out at LGF by getting the drones to complain to Amazon and Paypal about us: Independent Media Center. Aren’t they sweet? The Morlock who posted this is probably the one who was looking for love from his daddy here under the name “Dylan Avery” recently, and he accompanies this rant with the usual libelous, badly Photoshopped picture that lends so much credibility to their cause.

UPDATE: If you’d like to help counteract this latest Indymedia smear campaign by expressing support for LGF at Amazon and Paypal, here are the pages where you can do so:

Amazon.com: Help / Contact Us / General Questions

PayPal - Help Center
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link: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=8132&only
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[Sword_Of_Truth]

Here's a conspriacy theory: Did the LC forum mods make JDX and admin to shut him up?

It's pretty obvious that they don't care if they have a reputation of being ban-happy. I know of no activist movement or similar entity that has suffered at all from employing ban-happy board mods. But JDX is the only person I can think of off the top of my head who has issued threats of physical violence or even lethal force (ie "Hey Billzilla, come over here so I can excersize my 2nd amendment rights on you").

I would suggest that JDX is less likely to toss around death threats to intimidate people into withholding thier opinions if he can simply ban them, delete thier posts and then claim victory.

This is of course, all just speculation. ;)

[T.A.M.]

I just finished reading the link to the LGF site and D.A.s comments. Make no wonder he hides behind his wingnut kooks over at the LC Forum. The Guy is extremely poor when it comes to his communication or debating skills.

[Trifikas]

Mild attempt to re-steer the ship...

Pertaining to S. Jones's paper regarding Sulphur found at WTC, I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned but is Sulphur going to be found after the thermite burns? Any chemists / experts know the results of the Thermite reaction, and would Sulphur still be detectable afterwards?

the thermite find gets bandied about on the IMDB board for LC2...

Trif

[T.A.M.]

Sulfur is so common it is scary. The absence of Sulfur anywhere in the WTC site would be more suspicious.

Sulfur is a part of rubber, and a part of gypsum (drywall is made from this).

The list goes on...

[Trifikas]

Sulfur is so common it is scary. The absence of Sulfur anywhere in the WTC site would be more suspicious.

Sulfur is a part of rubber, and a part of gypsum (drywall is made from this).

The list goes on...


I remember that part of the discussion, but I would like to simply stop the sulpher argument by being able to prove that any sulphur found couldn't have been from a thermite reaction, If indeed that is the case. I just don't know enough about the chemestry behind it.

Would detectable sulphur be left behind after thermite burns itself down, or is it consumed in the equation?

ETA: Presumably, if the Sulphur was completly consumed, you would have to find actual unused thermite at GZ; just finding Sulphur would be provably meaningless.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Mild attempt to re-steer the ship...

Pertaining to S. Jones's paper regarding Sulphur found at WTC, I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned but is Sulphur going to be found after the thermite burns? Any chemists / experts know the results of the Thermite reaction, and would Sulphur still be detectable afterwards?

the thermite find gets bandied about on the IMDB board for LC2...

Trif

Background: Two major types of metal incendiaries exist, those that are magnesium based and those of the thermite/thermate type. Most types generally are encountered only in the military or industrial setting.

Magnesium, a silvery white metal of atomic weight 24.32, ignites at 632°C and burns at 1982°C, with magnesium oxide (MgO) as its combustion product. In an exothermic reaction, metallic magnesium can ignite to produce magnesium dihydroxide (ie, Mg(OH)2) and hydrogen. Magnesium is used in either powdered or solid form as an incendiary agent for both illumination and antipersonnel purposes. Various alloys of magnesium (eg, aluminum/zinc/magnesium alloy found in US M126 round) are mechanically sturdier but also can be ignited easily.

Thermite is a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum and powdered iron oxide. When combined with other substances, such as binders, the material is termed a "thermate." All such materials react vigorously when heated to the combustion temperature of aluminum. This reaction produces aluminum oxide, elemental iron, and sufficient heat to melt the iron. The reaction temperature is approximately 2200°C.

Because the burning temperature of these chemicals is so high, standard hazardous-materials clothing (even Level A self-contained and chemical-proof clothing) is not protective.

Pathophysiology: Burning thermite or magnesium produces predominantly thermal injury, but residual particles (especially of magnesium) may produce chemical injury to the eyes, skin, and respiratory tract.
source: http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic917.htm


Black or blue iron oxide (Fe3O4), produced by oxidizing iron in an oxygen-rich environment under high heat, is the most commonly used thermite oxidizing agent because it is inexpensive and easily produced. Red iron (III) oxide (Fe2O3, commonly known as rust) can also be used to make thermite but yields a less energetic reaction. Other oxides are occasionally used, such as in manganese thermite and chromium thermite, but only for highly specialized purposes. Both examples use aluminium as the reactive metal.

In principle, any reactive metal could be used instead of aluminum. This is rarely done, however, because the properties of aluminium are ideal for this reaction. It is by far the cheapest of the highly reactive metals; it also forms a passivation layer making it safer to handle than many other reactive metals. The melting and boiling points of aluminum also make it ideal for thermite reactions. Its relatively low melting point (660°C, 1221°F) means that it is easy to melt the metal, so that the reaction can occur mainly in the liquid phase[1] and thus proceeds fairly quickly. At the same time, its high boiling point (2519°C, 4566°F) enables the reaction to reach very high temperatures, since several processes tend to limit the maximum temperature to just below the boiling point.[2] Such a high boiling point is common among transition metals (e.g. iron and copper boil at 2887°C and 2582°C respectively), but is especially unusual among the highly reactive metals (cf. magnesium and sodium which boil at 1090°C and 883°C respectively).

Although the reactants are stable at room temperature, they burn with an extremely intense exothermic reaction when they are heated to ignition temperature. The products emerge as liquids due to the high temperatures reached (up to 2500°C (4532°F) with iron (III) oxide)—although the actual temperature reached depends on how quickly heat can escape to the surrounding environment. Thermite contains its own supply of oxygen and does not require any external source of air. Consequently, it cannot be smothered and may ignite in any environment, given sufficient initial heat. It will burn well while wet and cannot be extinguished with water. Small amounts of water will boil before reaching the reaction. If thermite is ignited underwater, the molten iron produced will extract oxygen from water and generate hydrogen gas in a single-replacement reaction. This gas may, in turn, burn by combining with oxygen in the air.
...
When thermite is made using iron (III) oxide, for maximum efficiency it should contain, by mass, 25.3% aluminum and 74.7% iron oxide. (This mixture is sold under the brand name Thermit as a heat source for welding.) The complete formula for the reaction using iron (III) oxide is as follows:

Fe2O3(s) + 2Al(s) → Al2O3(s) + 2Fe(s); ΔH = -851.5 kJ/mol

When thermite is made using iron (II,III) oxide, for maximum efficiency it should contain, by mass, 23.7% aluminium and 76.3% iron oxide. The formula for the reaction using iron (II,III) oxide:

3Fe3O4(s) + 8Al(s) → 4Al2O3(s) + 9Fe(s); ΔH = -3347.6 kJ/mol

The reaction using Fe3O4 produces a substantially larger amount of energy pr. mol reaction than the reaction using Fe2O3, which produces more energy pr. gram of thermite mixture.
...
source: wikipedia.org


13–23. Chemical Group D fillers
a. Thermite (TH). TH, a mixture of iron oxide, aluminum, and other substances, is a dark gray granular mass that
requires an igniter to start burning; it burns with great rapidity at a temperature of 4300 degress F, with the iron oxide
being reduced to molten iron. Thermate is a mixture of TH aluminum, barium nitrate, sulfur, and lubricating oil.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:lg2fG6W2vMYJ:ilms.atsc.army.mil/module/AV8000A/reference/DA_PAM_385-64_EXTRACT.pdf+thermate+residue+-wtc+-9/11+-911&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=31

[MarkyX]

Thanks for the information...but stop posting and finish your video, already! :D

Heh, it's uploaded on Google Video, but they need to verify it.

I'm going to split them up into 5 parts now and post em on YouTube.

[Shrinker]

I posted a review on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831315/usercomments-8

I believe you can indicate your approval or disapproval at the bottom of the page.

[kevin]

IMO, the best way to shutdown the thermite argument is with commonly available videos.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=thermite

Checkout the Screen Savers video. They put 4 lbs of thermite in a computer case. It destroys the contents, but the case remains! Check out the other experiments and you'll see thermite started from a flower pot will take out the bottom of the pot, but not the sides.

How the heck could you take out a vertical column with this stuff?

[defaultdotxbe]

i thought it was funny on that c-span show the other day at the end when jones was talking about the sulfur making it burn faster he kept making vertical chopping motions with his hand, i thought the thermite was cutting horizontally across the columns steve?

[tacodaemon]

I just finished reading the link to the LGF site and D.A.s comments. Make no wonder he hides behind his wingnut kooks over at the LC Forum. The Guy is extremely poor when it comes to his communication or debating skills.

You know, the stuff Dylan was peddling on Indymedia and LGF back in early 2003 would seem to put a dent in his claims that Loose Change was originally supposed to be a fictional film and only in the course of making it did he come around to 9/11 conspiracy arguments.

[MarkyX]

Somewhat not related, but a lot of theorists like to claim that Al-Qaeda ("The Base") was named after the CIA for short as "The Database", as in a Database of Muslims against the soviets. Of course, the only thing the United States did was supply arms and some funding, back when they were called "Maktab al-Khadamat" (Office of Services, MAK), founders being Osama Bin Laden and Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.

Osama Bin Laden, again, debunks this myth.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html

We have one religion, one God, one book, one prophet, one nation. Our book teaches us to be brothers of a faith. All the Muslims are brothers. The name "al Qaeda" was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed. We speak about the conscience of the nation; we are the sons of the nation. We brothers in Islam from the Middle East, Philippines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan and as far as Mauritania.

[defaultdotxbe]

of course osama (tim osman) bin laden will say whatever the CIA wants him too, lol

/sarcasm

[T.A.M.]

So I have decided to produce a very "matter of fact" but informative video called "Reality Check! Debunking the Myths of 9/11". It will basically be a video presentation of a lot of the info we have, but in a form joe public can access from google video.

Right now I am working on Part 1 - The Hijackers

The more of this stuff we do, the more the masses will have available in order to make an informed decision on their beliefs of 9/11.

[defaultdotxbe]

if anyone wants to host full-quality mpgs or avis let me know and i can throw them on my website, i get 500gb a month and last month i use 1.5, lol

[T.A.M.]

defaultdotxbe:
sounds great. I might take you up on it.

MarkyX:
What is the name of your video(s)?

[MarkyX]

9/11 Deniers Speak

I'm uploading it now on YouTube. Almost done.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

i thought it was funny on that c-span show the other day at the end when jones was talking about the sulfur making it burn faster he kept making vertical chopping motions with his hand, i thought the thermite was cutting horizontally across the columns steve?


Actually, added sulphur to thermite merely lowers the ignition point iirc, however it is a very small percentage of the thermate ~2.0%. The larger additive is barium nitrate, at ~29% and that does lower the ignition point and increases thermal output.

[MarkyX]

9/11 DENIERS OUT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0oh0CSTkPw - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNPPA0VBxvM - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gb0CRxEJjQ - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjQLl4tcMtw - Part 4

For some reason Part 5 is becoming a problem.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Is this considered cruelty to truthers?

http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

The resullts of this poll make my BS-o-meter twitch more than anything they themselves have said. If it is wrong, well then they are all just gonna get thier poor little hearts broken.

That being said, I can accept that 1/3rd of the population has gone stark raving stoopid. It's not like anyone would be suprised at that figure for the number of idiots in the general population.

If such is the case, then that would likely put us in the middle of the "golden age" of the truth movement. Getting more converts will become harder and harder. To recruit more, they're going to have to convince more non-retarded people. Even the ones they have now will start to bleed away as they grow up and lose interest.

Enjoy it while it lasts, truthers. It'll never be as good for you as it is now.

[T.A.M.]

I just watched part 1....SIMPLY FU*KING AWESOME!!!!

If the general public gets to see this, you will FU^KING SMASH D.A. and CO.

Nice job

[MarkyX]

ARG

AUDIO problems with part 4.

I'm going to stab someone in TEH eye.

[T.A.M.]

wrt to that poll, read the what he says very carefully...(I have mildly paraphrased)

"36% of respondents (only slightly more than 1000 responded in total) said it was EITHER "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials EITHER participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon OR took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."

So 36% (little over 1/3rd) found that it was very likely OR Somewhat likely for either of "Inside job" or "let it happen"....

That is a far cry from 36% think it was an inside job.

Sample size small. Likely taken on Ohio University campus.

******** study

[T.A.M.]

Part 2 stops after 1:03...repeating noise.

[MarkyX]

I removed the videos.

I am not sure what the hell happened, but most of hte audio is messe dup.

[T.A.M.]

Audio problems likely due to compression. I find the same thing happens when I have to compress audio to get a video on DVD. If possible, I would pick (dont compress audio) option if you have one.

[WildCat]

Part 1 was great, time for part 2...

eta: guess I'll have to wait.

[MarkyX]

Yeah I am really annoyed because I might not be able to upload it tonight

I am very angry right now.

[apathoid]

Yeah I am really annoyed because I might not be able to upload it tonight

I am very angry right now.

I, too, saw the first one and I'm very impressed. Outstanding work so far...
Youtube definately degrades the quality of both the audio and video. Google video might be a better choice maybe?

[gumboot]

Somewhat not related, but a lot of theorists like to claim that Al-Qaeda ("The Base") was named after the CIA for short as "The Database", as in a Database of Muslims against the soviets.


Never mind the fact that "Al Qaeda" is more accurately translated as "The Foundation".

The foundation of CIA Headquarters perhaps? Concrete core and 3" rebar on 4' centres?

-Andew

[MarkyX]

I, too, saw the first one and I'm very impressed. Outstanding work so far...
Youtube definately degrades the quality of both the audio and video. Google video might be a better choice maybe?

I already uploaded on Google Video..

It just needs to be verified. Such a dumb system.

[defaultdotxbe]

That being said, I can accept that 1/3rd of the population has gone stark raving stoopid.

look at it this way, think of how dumb the average person is. now, statisticly, half the population is dumber than that

So 36% (little over 1/3rd) found that it was very likely OR Somewhat likely for either of "Inside job" or "let it happen"....

my guess is the majority of that 36% answered "somewhat likely" the govt "let it happen" but whoever collected the results decided to lump them in with the "very liekly they did it" crowd to bolster their aparent numbers

[SRW]

I watched one and two, other then the sound problems, in the words of my generation--loosers up yours.

Someone with audio experience please help, this needs to be seen. Everyone needs to know what ******** these guys are.

Sorry ******* just does not cover it, bottom dwelling -crap spewing -nose puking -rat prick suckers.

One suggestion, subtitle the "the people are secondary" quote every time you play it.

[MarkyX]

Uploading it again.

Hopefully it works this time.

[MarkyX]

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2995/stealthjewwk6.jpg

9/11 DENIERS SPEAK - Out yet again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uFNBpjZCI4 - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUZnHpkyCp4 - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8srm5Lk4hM - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-HmcVtiX-s - Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2MZwxJRYI - Part 5

[Regnad Kcin]

Er, what, may I ask, is the meaning of the stealth fighter image?

[defaultdotxbe]

Er, what, may I ask, is the meaning of the stealth fighter image?
some of the wackier "truthers" claim bush a "stealth" or "crypto-jew" meaning he is jewish by heritage and by faith, but pretends he isnt


essentially i think it comes down to this, if your in power and not a jew, you really are a jew and just dont admit it

[MarkyX]

Er, what, may I ask, is the meaning of the stealth fighter image?

Heh.

It's from a site that I had bookmarked a while ago (saved it). Bascailly someone from Japan is a holocaust denier and thought that every terrorist and political leader was a "stealth jew", including Osama Bin Laden. He made that image.

It's not meant to be offensive, mainly to grab attention to my re-announcement. :eek:

[Abbyas]

Just watched part one.

My heart's beating like a rabbit. Well done. Very well done.

[Abbyas]

You know, a buddy of mine asked me why I go down to the WTC.

"That's like protesting the black muslims."

Then I watch this and want those little rule 8's the rule 8 away from Ground Zero.

Thanks, MarkyX.

[MarkyX]

Well crap I'm annoyed.

I put the subtitle on part 2 on the Widow, but I apparently uploaded the wrong one.

That's the only thing missing...gah.

[Gravy]

There's an ABC "Nightline" story on now about air defense ineffectiveness on 9/11. Apparently Vanity Fair has obtained 30+ houts of FAA/Miitary audio tapes and will publish a lengthy story in the September edition. They're playing excerpts from the tapes now. As expected, massive confusion. Interesting conversations about them losing primary radar track of flight 11 15 miles from Manhattan and Boston ATC not being to confirm that it was the one that hit WTC 1. They're still looking for it. Commercial break. Next up is flight 77.

ETA: Now they're panicking because they've got a plane inbound to D.C. and it's six miles out. MuttonHead, you should listen to these tapes.

[realitybites]

Well crap I'm annoyed.

I put the subtitle on part 2 on the Widow, but I apparently uploaded the wrong one.

That's the only thing missing...gah.
Still an excellent job. Bloods boiling.

Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue....

[WildCat]

Powerful stuff marky, I'll have to listen to 3 and 4 tomorrow, can't take any more of these pieces of dog feces right now...

[Gravy]

Good job keeping their tongues to the fire, Marky!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Powerful stuff marky, I'll have to listen to 3 and 4 tomorrow, can't take any more of these pieces of dog feces right now...

I just watched part 1 and I'm so angry I can't see straight.

To quote the philosopher James Fetzer; "there's a special place in hell... for these people".

[JamesB]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I was going through the phone call listings in the new Moussaoui docs flash, and there appears to have only been 1 call from all 4 flights that was made from a cell phone, that made by Edward Glick from a lavatory at 9:58, only 5 minutes before the crash when they would have been well below 10,000 feet. So much for the "all the phone calls were faked" theory.

They also have the recordings of Betty Ong and CeeCee Lyles calls. Rather creepy, I suppose Dylan and Company can play them and make fun of them in LC3.

[realitybites]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I was going through the phone call listings in the new Moussaoui docs flash, and there appears to have only been 1 call from all 4 flights that was made from a cell phone, that made by Edward Glick from a lavatory at 9:58, only 5 minutes before the crash when they would have been well below 10,000 feet. So much for the "all the phone calls were faked" theory.

They also have the recordings of Betty Ong and CeeCee Lyles calls. Rather creepy, I suppose Dylan and Company can play them and make fun of them in LC3.
What evidence # is that?

[defaultdotxbe]

i added the links to 9/11 Deniers Speak to the sticky on my forums, nice work (as usual) MarkyX

[defaultdotxbe]

i can post links now :)

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showtopic=128

and to go with the "plastic knives" quote from rumsfeld, look here:
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/FO08301.html

box cutter with a plastic handle/case

[gumboot]

Uploading it again.


Excellent work. Very powerful stuff. I like to think of myself as a composed, kind, reasonable guy. But it's hard not to wish something bad happened to these people...

*must retain composure*

First part of Part 5 I found especially powerful. Welldone.

-Andrew

[JamesB]

What evidence # is that?

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200055.html

It also has a picture of the cockpit voice recorder from AA77, that Loose Change said was indestructable. Unfortunately it doesn't look so indestructable.

[SRW]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I was going through the phone call listings in the new Moussaoui docs flash, and there appears to have only been 1 call from all 4 flights that was made from a cell phone, that made by Edward Glick from a lavatory at 9:58, only 5 minutes before the crash when they would have been well below 10,000 feet. So much for the "all the phone calls were faked" theory.

They also have the recordings of Betty Ong and CeeCee Lyles calls. Rather creepy, I suppose Dylan and Company can play them and make fun of them in LC3.

Also If memory serves me correctly Motorola was slow in switching between analogue and digital phones. So many of the phones around 2001 were hybrid which were able to use digital and analogue technology. Analogue phones worked very well in airplanes but air phones always worked. Of course they do require credit cards, sooo what they did not want to pay high interest rates? I have a recording of some Loosers making fun of Betty Ong, I;ll put it up when I can figure out how to post audio.

steve

[Brainster]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I was going through the phone call listings in the new Moussaoui docs flash, and there appears to have only been 1 call from all 4 flights that was made from a cell phone, that made by Edward Glick from a lavatory at 9:58, only 5 minutes before the crash when they would have been well below 10,000 feet. So much for the "all the phone calls were faked" theory.

They also have the recordings of Betty Ong and CeeCee Lyles calls. Rather creepy, I suppose Dylan and Company can play them and make fun of them in LC3.

I seem to recall that one of the passengers called from his cellphone to his wife--Burnett? She remembered seeing the caller ID.

Betty Ong's phone call is used in LC2E, but actually that's an improvement over LC2 and LC1--in those Dylan read her words aloud in a mocking tone. He still says the crap about "Does Ms Ong sound like someone who's just seen three people murdered?" To which I say, I dunno, how many times have you listened to somebody who's just seen three people murdered? I'm sure it happens all the time on the mean streets of Oneonta.

[Gravy]

From Dylan Avery, Loose Change Blog
The 2nd Edition Recut is almost done. We'll personally be hosting it on Google Video and YouTube, and we'd like to request that anyone hosting the old version replace it with the new one ASAP.

So, soon we'll have
Loose Change
Loose Change Second Edition
Loose Change Second Edition Recut
Loose Change Final Cut

Can't wait for Loose Change Final Cut Director's Cut Recut with Music Video "The View From Jason's Basement."

As 60hzxtl said, (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1807523&postcount=3370) let's stay on the CTs about the shifting sands their asinine theories ride on.

LC's "Strongest evidence," according to Avery: Jayhan's pod/missile theory.
LC2E's stongest evicence, according to Avery: the Pentagon "no plane."
LCFC's strongest evidence, according to Avery: WTC 7 controlled demo.

Keep reminding them of this. LC is supposed to be a documentary. Those who support it are in the Easily Discredited Theory of the Month Club, not a "truth movement."

[sleahead]

Great job, MarkyX. The one that really got to me was Avery's insinuation that Bernard Brown Snr sent his son to his death and then took a day off, knowing that the plane his son was in would be crashing into his office at the Pentagon. Absolutely disgusting.

Incidentally, this allegation rebuts the CT view that the 9/11 "conspiracy" is kept under wraps because only the people at the top knew the big picture. Bernard Brown Snr was a Chief Petty Officer and he, according to Avery, "might be deeply involved in the conspiracy". Well Dylan, if you stand by your disgusting allegation, he is deeply involved. Why don't you go and talk to him about it?

[Kaarjuus]

That being said, I can accept that 1/3rd of the population has gone stark raving stoopid. It's not like anyone would be suprised at that figure for the number of idiots in the general population.

Well, according to a recent poll (http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060608-111826-4947r.htm), 46% of Americans think God created man in his present form sometime in the past 10,000 years.

[Darat]

For the sake of sanity and for easy access we close this chapter and start afresh here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1812789#post1812789