Loose Change - Part III [Archive] - Page 6

Gravy

4th July 2006, 06:45 AM

So if "no proper criminal investigation" was ever carried out, why do they have video footage of the FBI talking about their investigation?

It wasn't just a criminal investigation, it was by far the largest in American history. The FBI alone had 7,000 agents on the case. Nothing has come anywhere close. The same CTs whine that the FBI took jurisdiction away from the NTSB...because it was a criminal investigation!

Here's a funny email I got today, apparently from a LC forum member (I've left his name out, but someone with the same name posts there).

Dear Mark

I assume you are a spook masquerading as a sincere individual.

What awaits you when you pass on? Is it the glory of someone who stood up to tyranny at the cost of their personal wealth, prestige and safety?

Or is it unending bitter regret that you could have stood for something but never grasped the opportunity while it was available?

I feel for you Mark. WWIII is within a few years of breaking out. Most of us
will die in that war. What will I see of you in eternity? A light-radiating hero, revered by all? Or a sobbing recluse filled with regret at the loss of a never to be repeated chance?

I say it again, whistleblowers are heros Mark.
My reply:
A spook? I'm a New York City tour guide, genius.

I notice that you didn't reply with anything that Loose Change got right and I got wrong. None of its supporters has. What seems to be the trouble?

I agree that whistleblowers can be heroes.

And people who choose to ignore mountains of evidence in favor of adolescent video-game fantasies, are they also heroes? People who lie about 9/11, are they heroes? Because those are the people you support.

Good luck with your apocalyptic paranoia.

-Mark "Left Behind" Roberts

Gravy

4th July 2006, 06:57 AM

Proving James' point, this guy became famous for his proof that wooden planes could not have crashed into a wooden World Trade Center. He's back with a scientific experiment (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836) that will both amaze and astound you. Do not miss this one! He's got photos this time!

Correction: This is an older post of his. But you will enjoy it if you haven't seen it.

CTer: "We all know that it's physically impossible for an office fire to get hot enough to buckle steel columns and beams. It's impossible!"

JREFer: "Pssst! WTC 5, next floor to the top."

http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/879044aa72598802f.jpg

DavidJames

4th July 2006, 07:00 AM

It wasn't just a criminal investigation, it was by far the largest in American history. The FBI alone had 7,000 agents on the case. Nothing has come anywhere close. The same CTs whine that the FBI took jurisdiction away from the NTSB...because it was a criminal investigation!

Here's a funny email I got today, apparently from a LC forum member (I've left his name out, but someone with the same name posts there).

My reply:I wonder if this is the guy I referred to in my post here:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1745404&postcount=213

Gravy

4th July 2006, 07:09 AM

I wonder if this is the guy I referred to in my post here:

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1745404&postcount=213
No, that's a guy named Mark. I refused to "correct" my work because it was he who was completely wrong (Guess what? The towers didn't fall at free-fall speed!). I told him that if he didn't correct his error on LC, I would have someone publish the entirety of our email exchange on that site. He backed down and did it for me. Just another cowardly CT.

DavidJames

4th July 2006, 07:18 AM

No, that's a guy named Mark. I refused to "correct" my work because it was he who was completely wrong (Guess what? The towers didn't fall at free-fall speed!). I told him that if he didn't correct his error on LC, I would have someone publish the entirety of our email exchange on that site. He backed down and did it for me. Just another cowardly CT.
So he made some claims in that thread which he removed after your email exchange?

TheChadd

4th July 2006, 07:19 AM

I don't think he quite gets the idea of how fires work. I'm waiting for a firefighter or someone from the arson squad of a police department to comment on his 'experiment'.

Belz...

4th July 2006, 07:22 AM

It wasn't that non-public. Both Public and Government officials were at ground zer. Anyone who says that people were blocked off from Ground Zero are simply lying.

Shht! Damn it, MarkyX! Now my theory doesn't make sense!! I'm going to have to add another layer of conspiracy to it!!

Actually, I was just talking about the PERCEIVED secrecy of investigations, because CTers aren't privy to it. With TV they just have to watch.

JamesB

4th July 2006, 08:28 AM

Proving James' point, this guy became famous for his proof that wooden planes could not have crashed into a wooden World Trade Center. He's back with a scientific experiment (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836) that will both amaze and astound you. Do not miss this one! He's got photos this time!

Correction: This is an older post of his. But you will enjoy it if you haven't seen it.

What an idiot. Everyone knows the towers weren't built like chicken wire, they were built like trees. And where are his Keebler elves?

60hzxtl

4th July 2006, 08:35 AM

If they keep this up they might just prove that the towers didn't fall at all.

Maybe they never existed. Maybe the buildings themselves were holograms.

Oh, wait, I once worked on the 74th Floor of WTC 1, (long long before 9/11) and I had to take 2 elevators to get there. (and they were NOT in "airtight" shafts Dylan!)

dubfan

4th July 2006, 08:52 AM

Here's a funny email I got today, apparently from a LC forum member (I've left his name out, but someone with the same name posts there).

My reply:

Ah, that's "whistleblowers-are-heroes" Daniels from the LC forums, I'll bet.

I recognized his distinctive lyrical style immediately.

Belz...

4th July 2006, 09:27 AM

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7415

How come when they get threatened that they get a news report :(

One thing you've got to learn from these guys : in the absence of PhDs or other titles of expertise, use the term "scholar". It looks good on a resume.

CptColumbo

4th July 2006, 09:34 AM

One thing you've got to learn from these guys : in the absence of PhDs or other titles of expertise, use the term "scholar". It looks good on a resume.
It's like UFOlogists or Psychic Investigators. As long as it has a scientific ring to it.

Gravy

4th July 2006, 10:02 AM

Ah, that's "whistleblowers-are-heroes" Daniels from the LC forums, I'll bet.

I recognized his distinctive lyrical style immediately.
Good eye, dubfan! You win a box of Keebler cookies. Eat 'em quick, because they burn right up in Hell.

tacodaemon

4th July 2006, 10:15 AM

It wasn't just a criminal investigation, it was by far the largest in American history. The FBI alone had 7,000 agents on the case. Nothing has come anywhere close. The same CTs whine that the FBI took jurisdiction away from the NTSB...because it was a criminal investigation!
My favorite was the CT who was on here for a while (was it Mutton-Head?) whose apparent complaint was not that there wasn't a criminal investigation but that the investigation wasn't called "USA vs. Unknown". I still haven't figured that guy out.

tacodaemon

4th July 2006, 10:27 AM

Proving James' point, this guy became famous for his proof that wooden planes could not have crashed into a wooden World Trade Center. He's back with a scientific experiment (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836) that will both amaze and astound you. Do not miss this one! He's got photos this time!

I'm looking forward to the CTer scientific proof that the Official Theory of the Titanic sinking can't be true because they tried throwing ice cubes against a sheet of steel and the ice didn't so much as dent the steel, let alone tear a long gouge in it.

NDBoston

4th July 2006, 10:32 AM

invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7415

Dylan chimes in on Gravy. He's on the take. I want to get paid too!!!

can you say 'payroll'?

Stellafane

4th July 2006, 10:58 AM

can you say 'payroll'?

Notice that the coward doesn't have the guts to come out and actually say Gravy's being paid, he just hints, so he can deny ever having said it if he's ever challenged. Just asking questions, as per his usual sleazeball tactics.

In the same spirit, here's one for Avery and all his admirers with their socially-arrested lips firmly planted on his backside: Can you say butt-ugly half-wit? I can. Shucks, I can even spell it. Here's I'll give you a hint: D-Y-L...

Gravy

4th July 2006, 11:38 AM

Bwahaha! On that thread, NesNYC says this:
Yeah, cause Mark Roberts get on there and lies about the direction the plane is heading. This plane was heading towards Queens, that's not only an odd flight path, but it just doesn't happen every day. Planes fly around Manhattan, not cross it, ever. All the area airports are outside the lower Manhattan and have holding patterns that circle, not cross, the lower Manhattan area.

Read my reply to Mark, I think he just got OWNED.
Holy, cow, What an idiot. He obviously hadn't read my replies. He said he knew New York like the back of his hand, and I told him he needed to study his hand a lot more. What a flaming fool.

Anybody want to post this over there?
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7415

Brainster

4th July 2006, 11:47 AM

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7415

How come when they get threatened that they get a news report :(

It's a PR release from PR Web--basically Fetzer submitted it and it gets on Yahoo News automatically.

Anybody really believe this guy's kids were threatened over this goofy article on the elephant plane? BTW, on the forum on that paper, I think Gravy's misspoken here (http://www.atfreeforum.com/911studies/viewtopic.php?t=6&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&mforum=911studies):

The camera is to the west. The plane is headed north.

Isn't the camera to the east, looking roughly west? I hesitate here because my initial assumption is that if Gravy and I disagree, it's because I've made a mistake somewhere, but I did check this fairly carefully and it certainly appears to me that we're looking at the damage to the east side of the north building.

I also love MMC's insistence that's an AWACS plane. You'd think he'd look at the wing positions on the two pictures he shows and realize they cannot possibly be the same plane.

Pardalis

4th July 2006, 12:10 PM

Ah, that's "whistleblowers-are-heroes" Daniels from the LC forums, I'll bet.

What "whistle blowers" by the way? Did I miss something?

Pardalis

4th July 2006, 12:13 PM

My favorite was the CT who was on here for a while (was it Mutton-Head?) whose apparent complaint was not that there wasn't a criminal investigation but that the investigation wasn't called "USA vs. Unknown". I still haven't figured that guy out.

I think that was Childlike Empress.

Gravy

4th July 2006, 12:23 PM

looking[/I] roughly west? I hesitate here because my initial assumption is that if Gravy and I disagree, it's because I've made a mistake somewhere, but I did check this fairly carefully and it certainly appears to me that we're looking at the damage to the east side of the north building.

No, you're right, I misspoke. As I said in my other posts, the camera is looking west. Haste makes waste. Thanks for the catch.

Gravy

4th July 2006, 12:27 PM

What "whistle blowers" by the way? Did I miss something?
Well, they certainly blow. That's half the battle.

Pardalis

4th July 2006, 12:29 PM

Well, they certainly blow. That's half the battle.

They blow and suck at the same time. They got quite an impressive lung capacity those CTers. ;)

JamesB

4th July 2006, 12:31 PM

It's a PR release from PR Web--basically Fetzer submitted it and it gets on Yahoo News automatically.

Anybody really believe this guy's kids were threatened over this goofy article on the elephant plane? BTW, on the forum on that paper, I think Gravy's misspoken here (http://www.atfreeforum.com/911studies/viewtopic.php?t=6&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30&mforum=911studies):

Isn't the camera to the east, looking roughly west? I hesitate here because my initial assumption is that if Gravy and I disagree, it's because I've made a mistake somewhere, but I did check this fairly carefully and it certainly appears to me that we're looking at the damage to the east side of the north building.

I also love MMC's insistence that's an AWACS plane. You'd think he'd look at the wing positions on the two pictures he shows and realize they cannot possibly be the same plane.

Can we submit a press release on how the "scholars" are a bunch of hypocritical whiny self-martyred idiots?

Regnad Kcin

4th July 2006, 12:33 PM

Notice that the coward doesn't have the guts to come out and actually say Gravy's being paid, he just hints, so he can deny ever having said it if he's ever challenged. Just asking questions, as per his usual sleazeball tactics...Sadly, true. Apparently the whole concept of evidence to support an accusation is one that never quite took hold in his/their noggins.

60hzxtl

4th July 2006, 12:39 PM

Can we submit a press release on how the "scholars" are a bunch of hypocritical whiny self-martyred idiots?

No.

Dog bites man is not news.

Class

4th July 2006, 12:56 PM

CTer: "We all know that it's physically impossible for an office fire to get hot enough to buckle steel columns and beams. It's impossible!"

JREFer: "Pssst! WTC 5, next floor to the top."

http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/879044aa72598802f.jpg
Irrefutable evidence of thermite/thermate/nanothermite being used on the WTC. You can still see the cutting charges surrounding the column! Looks like the government tried to take out WTC 5 as well.

Sword_Of_Truth

4th July 2006, 01:25 PM

No.

Dog bites man is not news.

Why not?

Just write "Official Statement of the James Randi Educational Foundation" and I'm sure someone would pick it up.

Especially if it's a slow news day and it's on an emotionally sensitive topic like 9-11. The evening news loves anything that cranks up the old emo-meter.

EDIT: Just don't misspell "statement" like I did. :p

Belz...

4th July 2006, 01:57 PM

Notice that the coward doesn't have the guts to come out and actually say Gravy's being paid, he just hints, so he can deny ever having said it if he's ever challenged. Just asking questions, as per his usual sleazeball tactics.

In the same spirit, here's one for Avery and all his admirers with their socially-arrested lips firmly planted on his backside: Can you say butt-ugly half-wit? I can. Shucks, I can even spell it. Here's I'll give you a hint: D-Y-L...

There has to be a name to the process of thinking that people who disagree with you are automatically the enemy.

Belz...

4th July 2006, 01:58 PM

I think that was Childlike Empress.

That one was unfortunate as a troll. She had a nice nickname.

brodski

4th July 2006, 02:00 PM

Why not?

Just write "Official Statement of the James Randi Educational Foundation" and I'm sure someone would pick it up.

Especially if it's a slow news day and it's on an emotionally sensitive topic like 9-11. The evening news loves anything that cranks up the old emo-meter.
This is not a good idea, the JREF can make their own decisions regarding press releases, Posting on the JREF forums doesn't give us the right to speak for JREF,

I mean geggy posted here, and we wouldn't want him to put out an "Official Statement of the James Randi Educational Foundation". :jaw-dropp ;)

Belz...

4th July 2006, 02:00 PM

Well, they certainly blow. That's half the battle.

And we know what the other half is: KNOWING.

Gravy

4th July 2006, 02:49 PM

Well, nesNYC made a total arse of himself and got banned from the 911studies forum, and on LC they've removed his posts about me, which was nice of them to do without being asked. Avery's is still there, though, and I've emailed him to ask that it be removed. I don't think he realizes that I take screen shots of idiocy like that for future use. The header of my email was, "Am I really someone you want to piss off?"

It's clearing up. Looks like it may be good fireworks viewing after all!
Happy fourth!

Brainster

4th July 2006, 02:57 PM

Can we submit a press release on how the "scholars" are a bunch of hypocritical whiny self-martyred idiots?

No, but there would not be much difficulty to submitting press releases on errors that we find in the work of the "Scholars".

The Screw Loose Change blog today called on James Fetzer to withdraw his claim that Barbara Olson is alive and living in Europe.

"Scholars for 9-11 Truth Co-Chair James Fetzer claimed on the Alan Colmes show that he had a report that Barbara Olson was alive in Europe," said a spokesman for Screw Loose Change. "This report appears to have originated with Tom Flocco, a supposed internet "journalist" whose other recent scoops included the reported death of Katherine Harris and the indictments of President Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. For Dr Fetzer to pass on this unsubstantiated rumor is callous and insensitive to the feelings of Mrs Olson's family and friends. It appears that the Scholars are not overly concerned with the "Truth".

Sword_Of_Truth

4th July 2006, 03:04 PM

This is not a good idea, the JREF can make their own decisions regarding press releases, Posting on the JREF forums doesn't give us the right to speak for JREF,

I mean geggy posted here, and we wouldn't want him to put out an "Official Statement of the James Randi Educational Foundation". :jaw-dropp ;)

Is there anyone here with the appropriate authority to make it official?

Sword_Of_Truth

4th July 2006, 03:06 PM

There has to be a name to the process of thinking that people who disagree with you are automatically the enemy.

Religious bigotry?

MarkyX

4th July 2006, 03:16 PM

There has to be a name to the process of thinking that people who disagree with you are automatically the enemy.

Cult (http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/cult.htm)

MarkyX

4th July 2006, 03:19 PM

What "whistle blowers" by the way? Did I miss something?

Some people who apparently worked for the government, and instead of testifying in front of congress or going to the mainstream media to correct the mistakes in the 9/11 commission report, they ask you to buy their self-published book instead.

EDIT: I think that is my longest run-on sentence evAr.

Sword_Of_Truth

4th July 2006, 03:22 PM

Cult (http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/cult.htm)

Plain old paranoia also works (ie: They're ALL out to get me!)

brodski

4th July 2006, 03:27 PM

Is there anyone here with the appropriate authority to make it official? A good start may be Jeff Wagg, or even just e-mail Randi himself.

JamesB

4th July 2006, 03:37 PM

Stellafane

4th July 2006, 04:17 PM

Someday I'll have to get around to banning him from SLC. I am constantly amazed how powerful those Jews are. According to him, they are responsible for everything.

Jews made me flunk algebra in high school.

(Well, I didn't actually flunk algebra in high school -- but if I had, it would've been the Jews' fault.)

Mongrel

4th July 2006, 04:34 PM

There has to be a name to the process of thinking that people who disagree with you are automatically the enemy.

I go with Bunker Mentality (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bunker+mentality)

MarkyX

4th July 2006, 04:35 PM

Some people have asked me what kind of hate mail and threats I've received.

Hate Mail (http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/hatemail.htm)

Sword_Of_Truth

4th July 2006, 04:40 PM

Jews made me flunk algebra in high school.

(Well, I didn't actually flunk algebra in high school -- but if I had, it would've been the Jews' fault.)

I did.

Here I always thought it was because I was wasting my time in the 7-11 across the street pumping quarters in the arcade machine and reading porn when the clerks weren't watching.

THEY have been hiding the 'truth" from me all these years.

DAMN YOOOOUUUUUUUUU!!!!

Sword_Of_Truth

4th July 2006, 05:03 PM

Some people have asked me what kind of hate mail and threats I've received.

Hate Mail (http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/hatemail.htm)

Wow...

You should append that list to the end of the "LC Creators Speak" file.

And forward those e-mails to the FCC and FBI.

rwguinn

4th July 2006, 05:12 PM

MarkyX

4th July 2006, 05:14 PM

Wow...

You should append that list to the end of the "LC Creators Speak" file.

And forward those e-mails to the FCC and FBI.

I tried to trace some of them but they used proxy accounts or free accounts like yahoo...

Besides, I take this crap with a grain of salt. It's like high school all over again.

MarkyX

4th July 2006, 05:22 PM

Loved this one:
"We live in a free country ******* and we have every right to question our government. You have no right to expose Loose Change for showing the truth."

Where is the irony smiliey?
and "Expose"?
Hmmmmm:jaw-dropp

Yeah, some of the messages here that I posted are actually cuts from the actual letters.

Actual letters being too *********** long to give a damn.

Regnad Kcin

4th July 2006, 05:49 PM

Some people have asked me what kind of hate mail and threats I've received.

Hate Mail (http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/hatemail.htm)Once again, who presented these people with diplomas at the culmination of their studies?

Hutch

4th July 2006, 06:05 PM

Some people have asked me what kind of hate mail and threats I've received.

Hate Mail (http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/hatemail.htm)

Wow. I would report the one that threatened your children, though (even if it couldn't be traced--this is presupposing you have children). That one sounds quite past loony and maybe dangerous, if not to you then to others.

I doubt you have too much to worry about; reading those most of them wouldn't be able to find their way around the block they live on, much less find your place...

MarkyX

4th July 2006, 06:14 PM

Nah I don't have children, at least ones that I am aware of ;)

Brainster

4th July 2006, 06:40 PM

Some people have asked me what kind of hate mail and threats I've received.

Hate Mail (http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/hatemail.htm)

Yet more proof that Bush/Cheney and company dreamed up a conspiracy so vast and so well concealed that only alienated white males of below normal intelligence could figure it out.

I've gotten a couple hate mails, but nothing as bad as that. Of course my advantage is that people have to be able to actually read to see what I've done. :rolleyes:

hellaeon

4th July 2006, 07:20 PM

Proving James' point, this guy became famous for his proof that wooden planes could not have crashed into a wooden World Trade Center. He's back with a scientific experiment (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836) that will both amaze and astound you. Do not miss this one! He's got photos this time!

Correction: This is an older post of his. But you will enjoy it if you haven't seen it.

hahaha I just am rereading a few pages to catch up and came past this gem hahahaha. Pure gold. This has to be someone making a joke. Surely you cant be that stupid. hahahahahaha!

dubfan

4th July 2006, 07:44 PM

What "whistle blowers" by the way? Did I miss something?

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1717138&postcount=191

Daniels thinks we JREFers are all spooks. So he's trying to "turn" us, by telling us we'll be heroes if we blow the whistle.

MarkyX

4th July 2006, 07:57 PM

Now this is interesting.

Someone linked me to a video game developer site where a looser posted "9/11 cover up" topic to gain new members.

I replied for the hell of it and the lead designer of the company posted this interesting gem that went through my head.

J.E Sawyer, lead designer of Obsidian Entertainment (NWN2) quotes

The people who made this video rely very heavily on people not stopping to read the additional text provided with their three-second screen splashes and fun facts.

E.g.: "Bomb sniffing dogs are pulled from the World Trade Center and security guards end two weeks of 12-hour shifts."

Additional text of note on screen for two seconds:

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted...

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security." [guard] Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."

Security guard Hermina Jones said officials had recently taken steps to secure the towers against aerial attacks by installing bulletproof windows and fireproof doors in the 22nd-floor computer command center.

It's potentially problematic to consider that the security leaving had been additional security added in response to previous threats. It sounds much more conspiratorial if the standing security force was reduced, which is what many probably infer from the narrator's quote. It's also bizarre that the 22nd floor had additional security added to protect the computer command center. If this were an "inside job", it would be moronic to ensure the safety of a communications center that could potentially send out messages such as, "Hey, bombs were rigged to go off in here." or to record footage of incriminating evidence.

Then there's the conspicuous absence of the date at which the extra security was pulled. The narrator doesn't mention the timeframe, but the guard in the article says that only a single day had passed. That leaves exactly one day for a crack team of demolitions ninjas to rig the entire building.

Of course, the most telling indicator of massive B.S. piling up is the narrator's almost continual use of the passive voice for every conspiratorial action mentioned. Forces "were pulled". Put options "were placed". Who did this? You get dinged for this sort of irresponsible junk on freshman papers, even in our crummy American colleges.

The Chicago-Tribune article quoted for almost every single one of the put option figures can be found here (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/chi-0109190296sep19,0,3496437.story).
Please note the headline -- which isn't visible in the video -- "Terrorist trade probe widens". The article is about how security regulators are investigating the possibility that the terrorist groups who engineered the attacks were the ones who did the options trading to profit from their own actions.

The narrator doesn't assign agency to these events and excludes any contextual information that might lead you away from the conspiratorial conclusion he wants you to reach. He presents fun facts in a way that leads your mind down a logical path. But it's selective and often very misleading.

Hey, if anyone wants to swallow everything this dude throws out without following up in his sources, you can believe whatever you want to believe. But this is what I believe: there is no way that the administration that engineered and ran our war in Iraq to date possesses one-tenth the coordination and competence required to pull off the amazing conspiratorial feats suggested in this documentary.

Our government's IRS and Department of Education apparently can't figure out between both of them what my address is -- and they did this?! COME. ON.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/fullmulletalchemist/PWNED/zpwned.png

Regnad Kcin

4th July 2006, 08:21 PM

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1717138&postcount=191

Daniels thinks we JREFers are all spooks. So he's trying to "turn" us, by telling us we'll be heroes if we blow the whistle.He "thinks" so, does he?

Goodness, is there no end to some people's believing something just because it occurrs to them? Y'know, with zero evidence to support the belief?

I was ruminating a bit on this today, and I wonder if we're seeing a byproduct of our times. When all the little children are told how wonderful they are in every way; everybody gets a trophy for participating, regardless of their demonstrated ability; teens are fed (largely by Madison Ave., and related forces) a constant diet of "your voice matters."

In short, Western society has largely bred an "it's all about me" race of just-barely-sentient fools. Dismissive of higher learning, disrespectful of accomplishment, distrusting of whatever challenges their precious beliefs...because they're theirs.

Egos fattened up to the point of obesity. Perhaps whence the term "fathead" arose.
I feel better now, thanks!

JamesB

4th July 2006, 08:28 PM

Daniels thinks we JREFers are all spooks. So he's trying to "turn" us, by telling us we'll be heroes if we blow the whistle.

You know, these guys are just so gullible... I should tell them I have inside information on who blew up the WTC, but first I need $20,000 and 2 first class tickets to Maui to relocate and hide my identity. It might work.

Gravy

4th July 2006, 08:37 PM

Interesting thread about mathmetician A.K. Dewdney, the "researcher" who "proved" that cell phones can't be used on airliners. Turns out he wrote a book about how statistics can be used to deceive!

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1746637#post1746637

JamesB

4th July 2006, 08:59 PM

LOL That is too funny. The best example of this is the "study" showing how 100,000 Iraqis died during the first two years of the war.

http://www.slate.com/id/2108887/

78.5% of all statistics are completely irrelevent.

Gravy

4th July 2006, 09:24 PM

Well, now, MarkyX gets hate mail, and I get traitor mail. Second one today, this time from Jason Bermas:

Like I have stated before people such as yourselves are revealed to be one of two things, government agents on a payroll or brainwashed morons who refuse to accept the truth. Have a Nice 4th of July, and remember you won't be portrayed as someone who just mindlessly let something happen in history, you will be portrayed as a Traitor to your own country!
My Reply:
Mr. Bermas, I have provided evidence of your mistakes. You have replied with opinions. You may be the most poorly-informed person I have ever encountered. Are you ever going to learn what critical thinking is? Remember, I offered to sit down with you and go over your mistakes on the 9/11 evidence.

I had a wonderful 4th, thanks. I spent it at the "Special Government Jamboree Camp" run by FEMA. We all had our injections at noon, then used our mind-reading TIVO implants to record the CGI-created launch of the fake Space Shuttle. Awesome chemtrails!

Seditiously yours,

Mark Roberts

delphi_ote

4th July 2006, 09:30 PM

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1717138&postcount=191

Daniels thinks we JREFers are all spooks. So he's trying to "turn" us, by telling us we'll be heroes if we blow the whistle.
Didn't you know that clandestine operatives are all over forums these days? Rather than taking out your opposition with a sniper or a car bomb, you confuse them with the power of the internet. It's much less efficient and you're totally exposed, but such are the ways of the Globalist.

Regnad Kcin

4th July 2006, 09:50 PM

Mr. Bermas,

...I had a wonderful 4th, thanks. I spent it at the "Special Government Jamboree Camp" run by FEMA. We all had our injections at noon, then used our mind-reading TIVO implants to record the CGI-created launch of the fake Space Shuttle. Awesome chemtrails!

Seditiously yours,

Mark Roberts Comedy gold!

JamesB

4th July 2006, 09:56 PM

Well, now, MarkyX gets hate mail, and I get traitor mail. Second one today, this time from Jason Bermas:

My Reply:

I never get any hate mail. I am either too nice, or too intimidating.

Regnad Kcin

4th July 2006, 10:32 PM

I hate you! I hate you! You're not my real dad!

(Feel better now?)

JamesB

4th July 2006, 10:57 PM

Your mom was a slut!

OK, better, thanks. :D

Sword_Of_Truth

4th July 2006, 11:09 PM

I tried to trace some of them but they used proxy accounts or free accounts like yahoo...

Besides, I take this crap with a grain of salt. It's like high school all over again.

That's cool.

I'd double check the guy who threatened your children though (yes, I read that you don't have any).

There are some places that even for an emotionally stunted, paranoid, bigoted, self-centered sociopath you simply don't go. Death threats are no laughing matter as it is, but threatening children is so far beyond the realm of reason that anything you can do to this guy to shut him down, you should.

EDIT: I wonder how many of those were written by Avery, Bermas and/or Rowe?

CptColumbo

4th July 2006, 11:24 PM

That's cool.

I'd double check the guy who threatened your children though (yes, I read that you don't have any).

There are some places that even for an emotionally stunted, paranoid, bigoted, self-centered sociopath you simply don't go. Death threats are no laughing matter as it is, but threatening children is so far beyond the realm of reason that anything you can do to this guy to shut him down, you should.

EDIT: I wonder how many of those were written by Avery, Bermas and/or Rowe?

My experience is that SOT is correct. One well known Star Trek fan, whom I know, criticized the state of ST. Soon after she received hate mail, calling her a traitor to Trek. She even got threatening phone calls, and one person even showed up at her house. People with a cult mentality can be unpredictable. I think it would be hard to find out who sent life threatening e-mails, but keep a journal/log of the threats and if one comes through the mail inform the Postal Inspectors immediately. This goes for you too Gravy.

I'm not saying be paranoid, but don't dismiss the threats.

Brainster

4th July 2006, 11:26 PM

hahaha I just am rereading a few pages to catch up and came past this gem hahahaha. Pure gold. This has to be someone making a joke. Surely you cant be that stupid. hahahahahaha!

Here's his blog (http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/); you tell me. If he is doing parody it's sublime.

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 01:32 AM

Here's his blog (http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/); you tell me. If he is doing parody it's sublime.

Read his blog. He's a "no-planer". One of those special people the rank and file loosers believe are insane.

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 02:08 AM

My experience is that SOT is correct. One well known Star Trek fan, whom I know, criticized the state of ST. Soon after she received hate mail, calling her a traitor to Trek. She even got threatening phone calls, and one person even showed up at her house. People with a cult mentality can be unpredictable. I think it would be hard to find out who sent life threatening e-mails, but keep a journal/log of the threats and if one comes through the mail inform the Postal Inspectors immediately. This goes for you too Gravy.

I'm not saying be paranoid, but don't dismiss the threats.

Some people can't handle the fact that Trek sucked ever since the gay french guy became captain.

And on a slightly more serious note; I think it would be funny to have a photograph of Chucksheen, JohndoeX, Jenabell or Roxdog or whoever it was that wrote that threat being led away in an orange jumpsuit and leg chains with PWNED on it in big red letters for Marky and Gravy to add to the bottom of future editions of thier debunkings.

Belz...

5th July 2006, 04:35 AM

Didn't you know that clandestine operatives are all over forums these days? Rather than taking out your opposition with a sniper or a car bomb, you confuse them with the power of the internet. It's much less efficient and you're totally exposed, but such are the ways of the Globalist.

And proud to be one!

Well, now, MarkyX gets hate mail, and I get traitor mail. Second one today, this time from Jason Bermas:

My Reply:

Well said, Gravy.

Belz...

5th July 2006, 04:37 AM

scissorhands

5th July 2006, 04:38 AM

DJs new forum seems very inactive, he will be becoming despondent.
I think it needs some visitors to liven things up.

Belz...

5th July 2006, 04:39 AM

Some people can't handle the fact that Trek sucked ever since the gay french guy became captain.

:eye-poppi

That's it, Sword. You're NEXT!!! ;)

60hzxtl

5th July 2006, 05:32 AM

Well, now, MarkyX gets hate mail, and I get traitor mail. Second one today, this time from Jason Bermas:

My Reply:

Bermas expresses himself almost as well as he researches.

What's wrong with you Gravy, don't you know he OWNS the troooth?

dubfan

5th July 2006, 05:57 AM

Hey Pat & JamesB:

I see this morning that Instapundit & Ann Althouse are just now finding out about Kevin Barrett:

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/07/teaching-911-denial-at-uw-madison.html

http://instapundit.com/archives/031246.php

You guys had that almost a week ago. They need to be reading Screw Loose Change!

Stellafane

5th July 2006, 07:10 AM

Like I have stated before people such as yourselves are revealed to be one of two things, government agents on a payroll or brainwashed morons who refuse to accept the truth. Have a Nice 4th of July, and remember you won't be portrayed as someone who just mindlessly let something happen in history, you will be portrayed as a Traitor to your own country!

Actually, Jason's right. You will be portrayed as a capital-T "Traitor" -- in the little play he and Dylan and the rest of the gang are staging in mom's back yard. Spooked911 will provide the special effects, and Jenabell will play all the female parts in drag.

60hzxtl

5th July 2006, 07:30 AM

Do Not Show to excitable animals or small children. Large children may experience permanent scarring.

Viewing may strike you blind!

Only one layer of protection after this:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7463

Who says you can't organize anarchists?

Left to their own devices, given little else to work with, they begin to collapse, in this case Uncontrolled demolition.

"Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." Mark Twain

dubfan

5th July 2006, 07:38 AM

Thread of the day.

Edit: damn you JREF forum software for nuking my upper case teh funnay.

Stellafane

5th July 2006, 07:44 AM

Brainster

5th July 2006, 08:13 AM

Only one layer of protection after this:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7463

Who says you can't organize anarchists?

That's whistle-blower Gypsy, reminding us once again who the real patriots are. Don't these people have an ounce of self-restraint?

Gravy

5th July 2006, 08:27 AM

Well, they lost one of thier first members, Scaffoldrider, over the flag-desecration issue.

This comment (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7463&view=findpost&p=5838621) almost made me blow coffee out of my nose:

Nice pics gypsy,
a trim would make your clopper look a bit less like a gorilla autopsy...

I fervently hope that Dylan Avery isn't setting up a photo shoot for himself right now....

Gravy

5th July 2006, 08:34 AM

I never get any hate mail. I am either too nice, or too intimidating.
This really shows the difference between the video crowd and the "literary" crowd. I've only had two emails that I could call nasty, and they certainly weren't threatening. It may also show that MarkyX is reaching the "right" audience.

sleahead

5th July 2006, 08:38 AM

Yep, porno is the way forward for the trooth. Loose Change 111 will be a good, old fashioned porno movie. Get naked for the trooth, Dylan.

dubfan

5th July 2006, 08:40 AM

Why, oh why did it have to be Gypsy?

/Indiana Jones

(when it could've been Jessica Johnstone)

azazal

5th July 2006, 08:41 AM

Yep, porno is the way forward for the trooth. Loose Change 111 will be a good, old fashioned porno movie. Get naked for the trooth, Dylan.

Well the real truth doesn't work, dazzling people with the BS trooth ain;t working. So dazzle the public with boobies?

60hzxtl

5th July 2006, 08:44 AM

Well, they lost one of thier first members, Scaffoldrider, over the flag-desecration issue.

..

Something that warms my heart. Having read his stuff from the beginning, he has shown, airplane parts at ground zero, wreckage pix from "outside" the "footprint", and a good amount of eyewitness, to the scene information.

I probably crossed paths with him around gz.

He might be the best to dissuade them of the "look at the thermite melt on that girder" tripe, by explaining the workings of an acetylene torch to them.

I don't think he will like the crowd he's in with soon.

rikzilla

5th July 2006, 08:48 AM

That's whistle-blower Gypsy, reminding us once again who the real patriots are. Don't these people have an ounce of self-restraint?

Nope.

Gypsy is a patriot in much the same way that Dylan is a truth seeker. They are the national heros of bizarro-America.

The internet has given the Loosers a stage...but in truth that stage is a gallows and the publicity also provides them lots of free rope.

-z

BTW..."Gorilla autopsy"??? :dl: That guy has gotta be a ninja right?? ;)

Regnad Kcin

5th July 2006, 08:56 AM

Some people can't handle the fact that Trek sucked ever since the gay french guy became captain...Jeffrey Hunter was French?

Belz...

5th July 2006, 09:15 AM

Well, they lost one of thier first members, Scaffoldrider, over the flag-desecration issue.

This comment (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7463&view=findpost&p=5838621) almost made me blow coffee out of my nose:

"Nice pics gypsy,
a trim would make your clopper look a bit less like a gorilla autopsy... "

Well, they just propably just learned about the existence of such a thing, seeing as how they probably only know of it from books and porn movies.

"HAIR ????"

Belz...

5th July 2006, 09:19 AM

Jeffrey Hunter was French?

OUCH! That hurt.

Brainster

5th July 2006, 11:22 AM

Well, they lost one of thier first members, Scaffoldrider, over the flag-desecration issue.

This comment (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7463&view=findpost&p=5838621) almost made me blow coffee out of my nose:

I fervently hope that Dylan Avery isn't setting up a photo shoot for himself right now....

An even better comp would have been to liken it to a Bigfoot autopsy. :)

BTW, Spooked911's experiment with rabbit fencing is getting linked all over the blogosphere this morning.

Brainster

5th July 2006, 11:44 AM

I found this in a DU post (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x58416) on one of Holmgren's nuttier articles regarding his "no-planes" theory. One of the repliers noted that Holmgren had attacked Stephen Jones in an article here (http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=9551). That article promises much more to come, which was apparently going to be here (http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/darkside.html). Among the items supposed to appear there:

Part 2 Summarized critique of Jones paper

Part 3 What kind of plane is it, Professor Jones ?

Part 4 The muddled thinking of Professor Jones (in preparation )

But something happened. According to Holmgren:

My deconstruction of that attack was highly embarrassing to Jones, and consequently he quickly removed the offending remarks from subsequent drafts of his paper.

However it should be noted that although he removed the offending text, he refused to actually issue a retraction of the remarks, which gives cause for suspicion that he intends to attempt a better thought out recycling of the same attack at a later date.

In spite of my displeasure at his refusal to retract, I have taken down the original article as a peace offering to Professor Jones, considering that he at least removed the remarks from later drafts.

Yep, that's right, Holmgren had this brilliant argument debunking Professor Jones, but he took it down as a quid pro quo for Jones' ceasing to mock the no-planers.

So much for the "Truth".

Gravy

5th July 2006, 12:39 PM

Well, they just propably just learned about the existence of such a thing, seeing as how they probably only know of it from books and porn movies.

"HAIR ????"
That reminds me of the story about the famous Victorian art critic, and notorious prude, John Ruskin. Having viewed the female nude only in its idealized, sanitized form as art, on his wedding night he was convulsed with horror at his wife's pubic hair.

I have no idea if the story is true, but the fact remains that his wife had the marriage annulled for nonconsummation.

rikzilla

5th July 2006, 12:52 PM

A Looser Writes His Congressman; and between fits of laughter said Congressman replies:

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The following is the e-mail I recieved today from Earl Pomeroy. I plan a follow-up with a few more sources, but the fact that he looked is a step in the right direction.
More to come.....

Dear Brandon:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the events of September 11th. I appreciate hearing from you.

I understand your interest in Professor Steven E. Jones' paper regarding the events of September 11, 2001. Professor Jones of Brigham Young University (BYU) conjectures that pre-positioned cutter-charges, not planes, were the cause of the destruction of the Twin Towers. As you know, the 9-11 Commission does not agree with this theory and states that fires plus impact damage alone caused the collapse of the buildings.

While there are certainly people who support Professor Jones's hypothesis, BYU has issued the following statement, "Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review. The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones." I appreciate your sharing this report with me, and I will be certain to keep it in mind as Congress further evaluates national security issues.

Again, thank you for contacting me. I hope you will stay in touch.

Sincerely,

EARL POMEROY
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Well how refreshing. Another asswipe from CONgress following the official story line. LOL

Whereas the Loosers are unrestrained past the point of lunacy; this Congressman exercises what I could only call "monumental" maturity and restraint.

That sure must have been hard to write between guffaws. :)

-z

brodski

5th July 2006, 01:02 PM

That reminds me of the story about the famous Victorian art critic, and notorious prude, John Ruskin. Having viewed the female nude only in its idealized, sanitized form as art, on his wedding night he was convulsed with horror at his wife's pubic hair.

I have no idea if the story is true, but the fact remains that his wife had the marriage annulled for nonconsummation. Was Ruskin's disdain for pubic hair caused by his love of classical art, or was it something to do with his obsession with prepubescent girls?

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 01:14 PM

:eye-poppi

That's it, Sword. You're NEXT!!! ;)

/em puts on his Babylon 5 Starfury flight suit and grabs his replica minbari fighting staff.

BRING IT ON!

Gravy

5th July 2006, 01:16 PM

Was Ruskin's disdain for pubic hair caused by his love of classical art, or was it something to do with his obsession with prepubescent girls?
I choose "art," because the other way it's creepy, not funny.

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 01:54 PM

Speaking of reporting truthers to law enforcement, did anyone catch this in the skeptics forum on LC?

(Captain Moroni @ Jul 3 2006, 06:24 AM)
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38673

Y'all should be thankful you're just a bunch of nutbars instead of being one of them!

Bush and Co. will join there buddies there shortly!

NesNYC seems to either have balls of steel or brains of lead to be going around threatening the life of POTUS like that.

Any of you live near a Secret Service field office and have 5 minutes to spare for a quick phone call?

EDIT: forgot to add the thread link http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7363

Blackwell

5th July 2006, 02:02 PM

Speaking of reporting truthers to law enforcement, did anyone catch this in the skeptics forum on LC?

NesNYC seems to either have balls of steel or brains of lead to be going around threatening the life of POTUS like that.

Any of you live near a Secret Service field office and have 5 minutes to spare for a quick phone call?

EDIT: forgot to add the thread link http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7363
Holy crap - that Onion article in that quote is great. I read the Onion all the time - I must have missed that one somehow.

Belz...

5th July 2006, 02:32 PM

/em puts on his Babylon 5 Starfury flight suit and grabs his replica minbari fighting staff.

No problem. I'll just grab my MAZINGER and then we'll have a match.

Belz...

5th July 2006, 02:34 PM

Well, they lost one of thier first members, Scaffoldrider, over the flag-desecration issue.

This comment (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7463&view=findpost&p=5838621) almost made me blow coffee out of my nose:

I fervently hope that Dylan Avery isn't setting up a photo shoot for himself right now....

Is it just me or has that thread desintegrated ?

Stellafane

5th July 2006, 02:34 PM

...NesNYC seems to either have balls of steel or brains of lead to be going around threatening the life of POTUS like that...

Gotta be brains of lead (or a softer, more aromatic substance). Those guys wouldn't know courage if it came up to them and rammed Gypsy's flag up their ass.

Stellafane

5th July 2006, 02:36 PM

No problem. I'll just grab my MAZINGER and then we'll have a match.

Tranzor Z!! By far the weirdest, most violent cartoon I ever set eyes on!

brodski

5th July 2006, 02:40 PM

I choose "art," because the other way it's creepy, not funny. he was a creepy, creepy guy. Nice house though, If you're ever in the Lake District, it's worth a visit.

Pardalis

5th July 2006, 02:40 PM

I'm not saying be paranoid, but don't dismiss the threats.

I agree. Isn't hate mail illegal?

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 02:47 PM

I agree. Isn't hate mail illegal?

Death threats of any kind are illegal for us here in Canada, Pardalis. I believe it's the same for Americans as well.

And I know that threatening the life of the President is a major offense under US law.

Wich kinda makes me wonder just how much of the "truth" movement would be out on the streets if all the laws were fully enforced?

Regnad Kcin

5th July 2006, 03:17 PM

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/38673

"I was told that these Americans were enemies of the one true religion, and that Heaven would be my reward for my noble sacrifice," said Alomari, moments before his jaw was sheared away by faceless homunculi. "But now I am forced to suckle from the 16 poisoned leathern teats of Gophahmet, Whore of Betrayal, until I burst from an unwholesome engorgement of curdled bile. This must be some sort of terrible mistake."Been one of my favorites since it was first published.

Regnad Kcin

5th July 2006, 03:21 PM

Some people have asked me what kind of hate mail and threats I've received.

Hate Mail (http://lol.chroniclesofgaras.com/hatemail.htm)Re-reading those again, I'm having trouble seeing much of a difference from what your garden-variety jihadist would offer.

Pardalis

5th July 2006, 03:27 PM

What they should do is come here and debate the issue like civilized people. These threats and hate mails show what a bunch of low-life sums they are.

They are either afraid to be shown wrong because deep down they know that they are wrong, or they're just not interested in finding out the "truth" at all.

Brainster

5th July 2006, 03:34 PM

Is it just me or has that thread desintegrated ?

Yeah, I'm getting an error message when I click on the link to that thread. Dylan probably realized that Gypsy's antics made it harder for him to pretend to be a loyal American, concerned about the lives we lost September 11, 2001.

MarkyX

5th July 2006, 04:24 PM

Yeah, I'm getting an error message when I click on the link to that thread. Dylan probably realized that Gypsy's antics made it harder for him to pretend to be a loyal American, concerned about the lives we lost September 11, 2001.

Aww but I thought Dylan was for FREEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMM

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 04:27 PM

Re-reading those again, I'm having trouble seeing much of a difference from what your garden-variety jihadist would offer.

Considering that they stop just short of being full-on Al-Queada sympathizers, should that be at all suprising?

Mr. Skinny

5th July 2006, 04:29 PM

Speaking of reporting truthers to law enforcement, did anyone catch this in the skeptics forum on LC?

NesNYC seems to either have balls of steel or brains of lead to be going around threatening the life of POTUS like that.

Any of you live near a Secret Service field office and have 5 minutes to spare for a quick phone call?

EDIT: forgot to add the thread link http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7363
I don't see a threat to the POTUS there. If I did, I'd be required to report it, since I'm a US govt. employee (aka shill.)

Sorry, SOT, but point me to something better than that, please.

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 04:32 PM

I don't see a threat to the POTUS there. If I did, I'd be required to report it, since I'm a US govt. employee (aka shill.)

Sorry, SOT, but point me to something better than that, please.

The link was to a story of the hijackers being tortured in hell.

NesNYC's response was that Bush would join them there shortly. That sounds an awful lot to me like a death threat.

Pardalis

5th July 2006, 04:36 PM

Aww but I thought Dylan was for FREEEEEDOOOOOOOMMMMM

Was there supposed to be a Scottish accent with that line? ;)

Gravy

5th July 2006, 04:50 PM

The link was to a story of the hijackers being tortured in hell.
While the hijackers burn, all of the structural engineers who Fetzer condemned to a "special place in hell" have forged enough steel to build a ladder that allows them to escape, only to find that the earth's inhabitants have all been crushed by the faulty buildings designed by non-engineers.

kookbreaker

5th July 2006, 05:27 PM

Yeah, I'm getting an error message when I click on the link to that thread. Dylan probably realized that Gypsy's antics made it harder for him to pretend to be a loyal American, concerned about the lives we lost September 11, 2001.

What was Gypsy doing in addition to his "whistle blower" antics? I never got to see that thread in full swing.

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 06:01 PM

What was Gypsy doing in addition to his "whistle blower" antics? I never got to see that thread in full swing.

Nekkid pics of a really hairy hippy chick excersizing her right to desecrate the flag.

mrfreeze

5th July 2006, 06:02 PM

Please don't tell me that she crapped on a flag. Thankfully that was deleted before I got here.

Mr. Skinny

5th July 2006, 06:28 PM

The link was to a story of the hijackers being tortured in hell.

NesNYC's response was that Bush would join them there shortly. That sounds an awful lot to me like a death threat.
What, in your opinion, is his threat?

He's just saying he thinks Bush will join them in hell shortly. Nothing more than wishful thinking on his part, perhaps, but hardly a threat, IMHO.

edited to add a comma.

MarkyX

5th July 2006, 06:33 PM

Considering that they stop just short of being full-on Al-Queada sympathizers, should that be at all suprising?

Yeah they still use "But Osama Bin Laden denied it first!" as part of their support for the theory.

Class

5th July 2006, 06:45 PM

Please don't tell me that she crapped on a flag. Thankfully that was deleted before I got here.
She stepped on it, rubbed it against her anus, and then burned it.

Gravy

5th July 2006, 06:53 PM

Please don't tell me that she crapped on a flag. Thankfully that was deleted before I got here.
Let's just say that rather than bring the crap to the flag, she brought the flag to the crap.

Gravy

5th July 2006, 06:56 PM

She stepped on it, rubbed it against her anus, and then burned it.
Patriotically.

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 07:02 PM

Yeah they still use "But Osama Bin Laden denied it first!" as part of their support for the theory.

I have nightmares of Osama Bin Laden driving a white SUV at 30 miles an hour while being chased by sixteen police cars while these idiots line the roads and wave signs with dim-witted slogans like "We love you, O.B.!!!" and "Set the juice loose!".

Then I realize that between OBL and his "fan club" here on the homefront, that he's the only one who wouldn't be that retarded.

delphi_ote

5th July 2006, 07:08 PM

Nice to see they've kept the discourse at the usual level.

WildCat

5th July 2006, 07:11 PM

She stepped on it, rubbed it against her anus, and then burned it.
I'm so glad I didn't see that... hmm, we don't have one of those puking smilies do we?

Brainster

5th July 2006, 07:27 PM

Nice to see they've kept the discourse at the usual level.

I wonder if there's any way to estimate the average IQ level over there, just based on the writing. It seems obvious that there are far more typos, misspellings and grammatical mistakes than we find among the JREF ninjas. Not that simple errors like those are always a perfect proxy for comparing intelligence between individuals, mind you, but I would suspect they do a good job in the aggregate, with dozens of different posters.

My guess is none of the folks over there grew up in Lake Wobegon.

realitybites

5th July 2006, 07:43 PM

Is anyone else disturbed by the fact the Loosers are trying to stake out Ken Lay's funeral (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7545&st=0&#last)?

mrfreeze

5th July 2006, 07:59 PM

It's obvious where this will go. One of them will show up at the funeral with a camera or camcorder, and when they get booted out they will claim its the gubmint trying to cover up the body switch. It will never occur that maybe regardless of how much of a scumbag Lay may or may not have been, his family deserves to mourn in peace.

WildCat

5th July 2006, 08:21 PM

I wonder if there's any way to estimate the average IQ level over there, just based on the writing. It seems obvious that there are far more typos, misspellings and grammatical mistakes than we find among the JREF ninjas. Not that simple errors like those are always a perfect proxy for comparing intelligence between individuals, mind you, but I would suspect they do a good job in the aggregate, with dozens of different posters.

My guess is none of the folks over there grew up in Lake Wobegon.
That's just your JREF physcology (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7475) talking...

Sword_Of_Truth

5th July 2006, 08:31 PM

What, in your opinion, is his threat?

He's just saying he thinks Bush will join them in hell shortly. Nothing more than wishful thinking on his part, perhaps, but hardly a threat, IMHO.

edited to add a comma.

His exact words were "Bush and Co. will join there buddies there shortly!"

With an exclamation point no less. He didn't say "hope" or "wish" or "think". He's using very definate terms in speaking of POTUS's impending trip to the underworld.

I would like to know why he is so certain? I'm sure a pair of USSS agents showing up on his parents doorstep (he's probably 14-16) would scare the answer to that question out of him quite quickly.

We live in a society where kids get arrested for having plastic picnic knives in thier lunchboxes or for drawing maps of thier schools. But here's one who says "The President is going to go to hell soon" and you think that isn't actionable?

Gravy

5th July 2006, 10:15 PM

Well, we've had desecrating the flag today, why not finish it off with some Loosers (Roxdog and chucksheen) using Photoshop to desecrate the graves of flight 93 victims.

To: itmatters@mail.com
CC:
Subject: Thank you!
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:58:10 -0500

Dear Mr. Roberts,
I want to thank you for all you're doing to fight the Loose Change
crowd, the "Scholars" and people like them. I saw Loose Change and
was disgusted, then I found your Viewer's Guide and realized that I
should have been five times more disgusted. There's so much crap in
that movie, it's hard to catch it all. Since then I've gotten pretty
well informed about 9/11, and I'm starting to take the fight to them.
I have you to thank for that.

Speaking of crap, I thought you might be interested in these pages
from the Loose Change forum. Warning: they're unpleasant.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2211&view=findpost&p=3349678

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7443&view=findpost&p=5832827

Regnad Kcin

5th July 2006, 10:28 PM

Scanning that thread is like visiting a zoo with cage after cage of dumb.

DavidJames

5th July 2006, 10:40 PM

Well, we've had desecrating the flag today, why not finish it off with some Loosers (Roxdog and chucksheen) using Photoshop to desecrate the graves of flight 93 victims.
I think a sizable number of the posters are just immature punks. I'm not saying that to excuse them. The Internet, with all it's glory and value, unfortunately provides a forum for these punks to display their immature antics. They lack that portion of the brain that recognizes the enormity and significance of the tragedy. It's just a joke to them. Make jokes at the expense of others is their M.O. 9/11 is just a vehicle. I suspect they are punks, inside their head, and not the kind who join street gangs. While both groups are ultimately cowards, this group lacks the social skills fit to in a gang. I liken these punks to neo-nazi's and think they could switch back and forth without dropping a stitch.

I'm not trying to categorize all of them this way. The leaders deserve their own filleting. Then there are the sheep, the "me too" crowd, who just want to fit in and are to weak to think on their own and will follow whatever leader they think can offer the most emotional safety.

What do you think jenabell, which group are you in? I'm guessing the last one?

hellaeon

5th July 2006, 10:57 PM

Im sure we have all noticed that all the debunks of the debunks etc have paved way for the classic ad hominem attacks

heh...children...

I guess its an upgrade from outright lies to er...outright..um...lies...

hellaeon

5th July 2006, 11:03 PM

those pictures of the evidence are brutal. I love the replies. "Wonder if they got the head it was on" (bandana)...or "How does this survive???"....but I guess I just think inside the box....I need to learn to think outside of it...or think inside the inner box...or something...

Brainster

5th July 2006, 11:38 PM

Well, we've had desecrating the flag today, why not finish it off with some Loosers (Roxdog and chucksheen) using Photoshop to desecrate the graves of flight 93 victims.

I love the comment by JA Stewart (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7443&view=findpost&p=5824172):

almost looks like the inside of a cargo plane or something.

Yeah, except they seldom have windows on cargo planes.:eek:

Belz...

6th July 2006, 04:26 AM

Tranzor Z!! By far the weirdest, most violent cartoon I ever set eyes on!

That's because you haven't seen the rest of Go Nagai's stuff.

Belz...

6th July 2006, 04:36 AM

Well, we've had desecrating the flag today, why not finish it off with some Loosers (Roxdog and chucksheen) using Photoshop to desecrate the graves of flight 93 victims.

Reminds me of a kid in elementary school who'd flash other students... Just about that mature.

Belz...

6th July 2006, 04:39 AM

I love the comment by JA Stewart (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7443&view=findpost&p=5824172):

"almost looks like the inside of a cargo plane or something. "

Well, without the paint and everything, ALL bits of plane look like bits of CARGO planes. Sheesh.

WildCat

6th July 2006, 04:57 AM

Well, we've had desecrating the flag today, why not finish it off with some Loosers (Roxdog and chucksheen) using Photoshop to desecrate the graves of flight 93 victims.
Those people are so stupid it's really hard for me to believe they're serious. They wonder why metal and other heavy solid objects get dashed into little pieces and yet a bandanna or a driver's license doesn't? Have they ever tried to smash a driver's license or a piece of cloth by propelling it into the ground? Ugh, these people are just so freakin stupid, I really can't see how they can get through a day w/o assistance.

And if johndoeX is a pilot, I'm the King of France.

Yes, I know there is no such thing.

brodski

6th July 2006, 05:29 AM

And if johndoeX is a pilot, I'm the King of France.

You're Napoleon II aren't you? French historians have been looking for you for ages!

kookbreaker

6th July 2006, 07:09 AM

And if johndoeX is a pilot, I'm the King of France.

Yes, I know there is no such thing.

It could be arranged. :D

rikzilla

6th July 2006, 07:15 AM

Is anyone else disturbed by the fact the Loosers are trying to stake out Ken Lay's funeral (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7545&st=0&#last)?

Do you think that there's ANY event reported in the media that these idiots will accept? Do you suppose that maybe Hurricane Katrina was actually an experiment in gub'mint weather control??

So now that Ken Lay has died they suppose him to be in Europe having threesomes with Barbara and Ted Olson:
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For the record, in my opinion, the powers that be had nothing to fear of what Ken Lay might say in a trial, the trial was over. He was awaiting sentencing, and the sentence was gonna be heavy - they got him on 10 counts. The rub is, in my opinion, he was an insider, he was not one to be cast aside, they put him into their "conspirator protection program" and slipped him out to Europe. Ken Lay is now living the good life with all the other CPP's lol.

I used to think Barbara Olsen, fl. 77 passenger and wife of the Solicitor General, actually died in the plot and her husband Ted was probably complicit in sending her to her death. However I think that not to be the case. Ted quit his government job and is rumored to have dissapeared into Europe. That's where Kenny-boy, as George Bush affectionately calls him, is as well, dollars to donuts.

Amazing!

Then there's this gem:
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QUOTE (s14man @ Jul 6 2006, 12:46 AM)
A strange point about the Enron trial is that after the accused were convicted their sentence date was set on 9/11 2006. It seems this date has some significance to some one????

That is interesting. Just another sick inside joke busting our balls that mom and pop america with the yellow troops ribbons will never hear or never get.

Reallt, I think that's a riot. A real good sick inside joke - and I DO get it! It's kinda fun to be in on it while Mr and Mrs America stumble around stupidly. I should drop a note to the judge saying that was really funny to do that.

That's one thing truthers and neocons share in common. Unlike most, we all see the world for what it is.

Really in twenty five years we should all get together with Bush having a drink and a laugh about all the good tricks they pulled on America and how they all fell for every one. We'd be like hanging in a pub and America would be like Charlie Chaplin slipping on the 9/11 banana peel over and over again.

One word: Hubris.

Ugly when expressed by the talented or brilliant. It's rude; but somewhat understandable. However, when done by the deluded and addle-brained.....it becomes simply incomprehensible.

I guess it's true. Irony is wasted on the stupid....and these people are deeply evil-stupid.

-z

NDBoston

6th July 2006, 07:29 AM

It took me ten seconds to find out Ted Olsen is working in DC still as a lawyer.

.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7545&st=0#entry5863523

Year Zero

6th July 2006, 07:36 AM

Actually CTs will believe stories reported in the MSM so long as these stories seem to support their claims. For example, the "hijackers are still alive" claims are based on media reports from mainstream sources(incredibly outdated of course), and we are supposed to take that at face value(many of them will mention the articles without posting the actual thing). Of course if something is reported that contradicts their theory, then we CAN'T TRUST THE MSM!

Just one of the MANY hilarious paradoxes that pervade the conspiracy movement. Of course my favorite is the "Conspirators are super-geniuses but also total retards at the same time" paradox.

MarkyX

6th July 2006, 07:43 AM

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7551

Someone needs to post the Usual Suspects video here.

rikzilla

6th July 2006, 07:52 AM

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7551

Someone needs to post the Usual Suspects video here.

Nice how they can shout down the skeptics after banning us all isn't it? It's kinda like an ostrich surrounded by lions, burying his head and saying: "HAH! Where are you cowards now!?"

The river of stupid rolls on.

-z

realitybites

6th July 2006, 08:36 AM

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7551

Someone needs to post the Usual Suspects video here.

Done (http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7551&st=0&#entry5864795).

And now we play the waiting game.....

realitybites

6th July 2006, 09:43 AM

Ok, so I FINALLY got suspended from LC today. Not sure why. No warning.

I know it's not as glorious as a full-fledged ban, but was wondering if there's a "Suspended" badge out there?

DavidJames

6th July 2006, 09:45 AM

Ok, so I FINALLY got suspended from LC today. Not sure why. No warning.

I know it's not as glorious as a full-fledged ban, but was wondering if there's a "Suspended" badge out there?I thought for sure my lesson's learned post would put me over the top. I guess they like me :)

realitybites

6th July 2006, 09:47 AM

In fairness, I did ask JohnDoe if he was a f***ing moron.

But technically, I didn't call him one. I was just inquiring as to whether or not he was.

rikzilla

6th July 2006, 09:55 AM

In fairness, I did ask JohnDoe if he was a f***ing moron.

But technically, I didn't call him one. I was just inquiring as to whether or not he was.

Gee, and I thought that "just asking questions" was okay!
:confused:

realitybites

6th July 2006, 09:59 AM

Gee, and I thought that "just asking questions" was okay!
:confused:
I was just trying to get to uncover the truth as to JohnDoe's FM status....

realitybites

6th July 2006, 10:41 AM

MarkyX

6th July 2006, 10:47 AM

I hope the guys over at SLC will forgive me for boosting this from their comments section, but it was just too good.

One of the commenters links to this MP3. (http://www.denythepain.com/mp3/911%20EVERY%20BREATH%20YOU%20TAKE.mp3)

This needs to be their anthem. Please God, make this their anthem.

PS - Do you think the singer got permission from The Police?

Don't think you need permission if it's under parody law. Look at Wierd Al.

Although...this isn't exactly humorous, at least intentionally.

Brainster

6th July 2006, 10:50 AM

Apollyon

6th July 2006, 10:53 AM

From denythepain.com:

9/11 - Every Breath You Take, words by Steven E. Jones.

From cold fusion researcher to structural engineer to songwriter.

Is there anything this guy CAN'T do?

aggle-rithm

6th July 2006, 10:57 AM

It took me ten seconds to find out Ted Olsen is working in DC still as a lawyer.

.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7545&st=0#entry5863523

The Loosers could have done that, if only their attention span was eight seconds longer.

WildCat

6th July 2006, 10:59 AM

Don't think you need permission if it's under parody law. Look at Wierd Al.

Although...this isn't exactly humorous, at least intentionally.
You're right that parody is fair use, but your Weird Al example was poorly chosen. He in fact does get permission for his parodies, even thoiugh he is not required to.

aggle-rithm

6th July 2006, 10:59 AM

Don't think you need permission if it's under parody law. Look at Wierd Al.

Although...this isn't exactly humorous, at least intentionally.

Since Weird Al's time, courts have gotten tougher on what is considered fair use of copyrighted material. It all depends on how the holder of the copyright feels about it.

Pardalis

6th July 2006, 11:00 AM

realitybites

6th July 2006, 11:02 AM

Get facts right.
Who needs facts when you're spreading so much joy and happiness throughout the world?

The man has singlehandedly turned my frown upside down.

:D

rikzilla

6th July 2006, 11:03 AM

I keep hearing this claim that the FBI recently announced that they have no information tying Bin Laden to 9-11. Does anybody know where this bit started? Considering Moussaoui's recent conviction it seems obviously nutty, but is there some basis in fact other than that the FBI hasn't updated Bin Laden's wanted poster?

Well,
They also state that the CIA has given up the hunt for UBL. Of course nothing of the kind is going on. The loosers have (willfully?) mis-interpreted a CIA re-structuring of anti-terrorism offices. UBL and AQ were once dangerous enough that there was an office dedicated only to them. Now AQ and UBL have been deemed to be (rightly or wrongly?) less dangerous and are now rolled into the general anti-terrorism efforts of CIA.

Obviously CIA has not halted the hunt for UBL...but the loosers are over there stating that FBI "has no evidence" and CIA "has called off the hunt for UBL".

They are not simply idiots...they are dishonest idiots. So there's likely some FBI quote taken out of it's original context that makes up the substance of this lie.

-z

brodski

6th July 2006, 11:05 AM

Since Weird Al's time, courts have gotten tougher on what is considered fair use of copyrighted material. It all depends on how the holder of the copyright feels about it.
also weird Al was (is?) very careful to make music which sounded similar, but was not an exact copy of the originals. What he didn't do was use some crappy voice removal software on a bad remix of his targets songs, and then add his own lyrics.

JamesB

6th July 2006, 11:13 AM

I hope the guys over at SLC will forgive me for boosting this from their comments section, but it was just too good.

One of the commenters links to this MP3. (http://www.denythepain.com/mp3/911%20EVERY%20BREATH%20YOU%20TAKE.mp3)

This needs to be their anthem. Please God, make this their anthem.

PS - Do you think the singer got permission from The Police?

Go ahead, borrow anything you want, as long as you spell our name right. Off topic, but there actually is a good "Every Breath You Take" parody out there (OK, it helps if you are an MBA finance geek), but at least these guys realize it is parody. The Loosers are serious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u2qRXb4xCU

Apollyon

6th July 2006, 11:15 AM

Get facts right.
OK. There is that niggling problem of getting facts right.

"Was thermite uuuuuused, and who set the fu-u-ooze?"

:D

I need to strap on a double layer of Depends before I listen any further. It'd be a shame to have to go through so much underwear in such a short time frame.

Brainster

6th July 2006, 11:21 AM

Don't think you need permission if it's under parody law. Look at Wierd Al.

Although...this isn't exactly humorous, at least intentionally.

The key issue as I recall from the Jibjab "This Land Is Your Land" lawsuit was whether the intent was to parodize the song or work in question, or to use the song to get across another message. Weird Al's stuff was clearly parody, as was (for example) Bored of the Rings. Unfortunately the Jibjab lawsuit was dropped, so I'm not sure where the line is.

Of course, Sting probably believes in this stuff, so it may not matter at all.

Sword_Of_Truth

6th July 2006, 11:26 AM

I keep hearing this claim that the FBI recently announced that they have no information tying Bin Laden to 9-11. Does anybody know where this bit started? Considering Moussaoui's recent conviction it seems obviously nutty, but is there some basis in fact other than that the FBI hasn't updated Bin Laden's wanted poster?

I don't think it's actually relevant. Even if the FBI did say it.

The FBI says: "We don't have sufficient evidence against OBL for trial"

We hear: "The FBI doesn't have sufficient evidence against OBL"

The truthers hear: "The FBI says that OBL didn't do it and had nothing to do with it"

Wether the FBI said it isn't the issue. The truthers will read what they want to hear into simple statements and then repeat thier misreading as gospel.

Silverstien says: "Pull it [the firefighting team] from the building"

Truthers hear: "Blow the @#$%er up and gimme my insurance payout"

Besides, the FBI and the US Attorneys will likely never have to worry about getting OBL in a courtroom. When they located Zarqawi, US and Iraqi authorities skipped the arrest, arraignment, pre-trial motions, selection of venue, voir dire, and trial stages and had the air force come in and carry out the sentence.

I suspect Osama will get a similar laser-guided writ of habeus corpus.

Regnad Kcin

6th July 2006, 11:32 AM

realitybites

6th July 2006, 11:32 AM

OK. There is that niggling problem of getting facts right.

"Was thermite uuuuuused, and who set the fu-u-ooze?"

:D

I need to strap on a double layer of Depends before I listen any further. It'd be a shame to have to go through so much underwear in such a short time frame.
Wait till you get to the bridge...

People.... Sheeple.... PLEEEEEEAAAAAASEE!!

Stellafane

6th July 2006, 11:42 AM

From denythepain.com:

9/11 - Every Breath You Take, words by Steven E. Jones.

From cold fusion researcher to structural engineer to songwriter.

Is there anything this guy CAN'T do?

I...I...I...oh what's the use, I'm speechless.

I would have bet my life that song was a joke, intended as a goof on the 9/11 twoof movement. And now I learn it was written by Dr. Jones himself??

I already knew that these guys were nuts. But I never fully grasped the depth and breadth of their collective insanity until I listened to that song, and then was informed it was a serious attempt at...something, I'm not sure what.

These guys have gone two exits past delusional, and have taken the off ramp to hard-core psychotic. "God is watching you" intertwined with "I'll be watching you." Perhaps in Dr. Jones' mind, the two phrases mean the same?

Kent1

6th July 2006, 11:49 AM

Stellafane

6th July 2006, 11:50 AM

Wait till you get to the bridge...

People.... Sheeple.... PLEEEEEEAAAAAASEE!!

Hold on to your flaa-aaaagg....
Gypsy's on the ra-aaaggg....

Abbyas

6th July 2006, 11:56 AM

Quick question for you people:

I heard that William Rodriguez was contacted by the NIST to testify but that he demanded thousands of dollars to do so and kept dodging them by changing his addess.

Is there any truth to that claim? He stops by the WTC on Saturdays once in a while and I'd love to ask him about it.

DavidJames

6th July 2006, 12:00 PM

I'm finished having fun at loose change now.

While I tried to feel some pride in getting johndoeX and jenabell to make themselves look like complete idiots, I really can't since it was so easy. I liken it to making my cats chase their tails or get them running on my hardwood floors knowing they wouldn't be able to stop and careen into the foot of the cabinet (we were playing, okay, no one got hurt :))

edit to add. jenabell, as I expected posted my comments. I'll summerize his response here...
Meow

EvilBiker

6th July 2006, 12:35 PM

I'm finished having fun at loose change now.

While I tried to feel some pride in getting johndoeX and jenabell to make themselves look like complete idiots, I really can't since it was so easy.

Easy? All you actually had to do was watch them! They seem quite capable of being complete idiots without outside interference...

I applaud you on your patience, though - no way I could hang out there for any extended period without my brain falling out. Seriously, I find myself getting a sort of online equivalent of road rage (which I will suddenly copyright as Netrage - Ed).

I sincerely want to introduce those idiots to Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things", preferably in bulk and delivered from about 100 meters straight overhead.

DavidJames

6th July 2006, 12:39 PM

I sincerely want to introduce those idiots to Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things", preferably in bulk and delivered from about 100 meters straight overhead.I suggested on a thread that Shermer could use that forum pretty much exclusively as the basis for sequel.

Arkan_Wolfshade

6th July 2006, 12:42 PM

Easy? All you actually had to do was watch them! They seem quite capable of being complete idiots without outside interference...

I applaud you on your patience, though - no way I could hang out there for any extended period without my brain falling out. Seriously, I find myself getting a sort of online equivalent of road rage (which I will suddenly copyright as Netrage - Ed).

I sincerely want to introduce those idiots to Michael Shermer's "Why People Believe Weird Things", preferably in bulk and delivered from about 100 meters straight overhead.
I find the section on Holocaust deniers to be particularly relevant.

Sword_Of_Truth

6th July 2006, 01:07 PM

Mr. Skinny

6th July 2006, 01:10 PM

His exact words were "Bush and Co. will join there buddies there shortly!"

With an exclamation point no less. He didn't say "hope" or "wish" or "think". He's using very definate terms in speaking of POTUS's impending trip to the underworld.

I would like to know why he is so certain? I'm sure a pair of USSS agents showing up on his parents doorstep (he's probably 14-16) would scare the answer to that question out of him quite quickly.

We live in a society where kids get arrested for having plastic picnic knives in thier lunchboxes or for drawing maps of thier schools. But here's one who says "The President is going to go to hell soon" and you think that isn't actionable?
No, sorry, but I don't think that's actionable. First of all, he doesn't say that he (or anyone he knows) is going to do anything. Second, for all you know, his way of getting Bush in hell is to buy a voodoo doll of Bush and rip it's head off.

No big deal, SOT. I just wanted to offer my opinion in the hope that you would rethink yours. You did, and you apparently stand by what you said. Fair enough.

Cheers.

panamajoe

6th July 2006, 01:13 PM

Someone find me a connection between:
George W. Bush
Italian Greyhounds
Jim Lovell
Ray Romano
The Flash
Metallica
and the Corliolus Effect.

And....GO!
OMG! I did a copy/paste in to Google to see what connects these and ONLY "George W. Bush" would paste!!!!?!?!?!!! A conspiracy that includes the Google folks!
What will we do?

Johnny Pixels

6th July 2006, 01:21 PM

Someone got tell the Loosers that the web was invented by the US military. Hopefully they'll fall for it and shun the technology, leaving us sane people and the dead alone

Sword_Of_Truth

6th July 2006, 01:29 PM

No, sorry, but I don't think that's actionable. First of all, he doesn't say that he (or anyone he knows) is going to do anything. Second, for all you know, his way of getting Bush in hell is to buy a voodoo doll of Bush and rip it's head off.

No big deal, SOT. I just wanted to offer my opinion in the hope that you would rethink yours. You did, and you apparently stand by what you said. Fair enough.

Cheers.

In all fairness, I don't think there is an actual threat to the presidents life. Like I said, he's probably 16 at the most. He's just some punk ass trying to sound big and bad.

I just wanna see those USSS agents show up at NesNYCs parents doorstep and scare the living crap out of him. ;)

Mr. Skinny

6th July 2006, 01:36 PM

Someone got tell the Loosers that the web was invented by the US military. Hopefully they'll fall for it and shun the technology, leaving us sane people and the dead alone
Well, it was ARPA (DARPA) and some big name universities that started it all, IIRC.

Well, them and Al Gore. :)

EvilBiker

6th July 2006, 01:49 PM

I suggested on a thread that Shermer could use that forum pretty much exclusively as the basis for sequel.

Found it! Damn, we should have tag-teamed them. :)

Liked your swan song.

DavidJames

6th July 2006, 01:54 PM

Found it! Damn, we should have tag-teamed them. :)

Liked your swan song.I'm sure people a lot smarter then me ,(dub, gravy to name but two), have hit them much harder and could have left with a much better sign off, but were banned before given the chance.

edit - Things have quieted down in their skeptics forum, I'll have to wake my cats up for entertainment :D
Also - I can't believe jenabell - he can't get anything right. He quotes sentences and then responds to either completely unrelated stuff or totally screws up the point in the quote.

Brainster

6th July 2006, 02:27 PM

Gravy

6th July 2006, 03:06 PM

The guy who sent me that email yesterday has been on the LC forum as "samuelaspade." He is tearing them up. I emailed him and said it can't last long at this rate, but to enjoy the ride!

Very well said, stipmunk.

This constant cry of "We're just asking questions" is total b.s. The answers to those questions are usually right in front of their faces. They just cannot accept it.

I wonder how this works in daily life. CT's, what do you do at the supermarket?

CT: I don't see a price on this. Someone must be conspiring to keep the prices from me! I DEMAND TO SEE A PRICE ON THIS! I'M ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PRICE AND DEMANDING ANSWERS!

Stock boy: Sir, the price is there on the shelf below the product. Here's the product name, see, and the price of $2.99, and next to that is the unit price per – sir, it's over here. Sir, the price for this product is not in that aisle over there. Sir?

CT: THAT PRICE WAS OBVIOUSLY PLANTED THERE! I DO NOT ACCEPT THAT PRICE! I DEMAND AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE PLANTING OF THE PRICE AND THE OBVIOUS COVERUP! AND WHEN THE CRAP HITS THE FAN IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR ASS IN THE CHINESE-MADE GUILLOTINE, STOCK BOY, FOR SUPPORTING THIS MASSIVE PRICE-UNFIXING CONSPIRACY!

Stock boy: Sir, I'm pretty sure they used guillotines to –

CT: I DEMAND ANSWERS!

So, CTs, is that how it goes at the supermarket? And if not, why? Because that's exactly how you're acting here. Why do different standards of logic and evidence apply here than in the rest of your world?

Finally:would YOU want to be judged by your own standards? Would your standard of evidence be acceptable to you if you were on trial? Suppose the prosecution were allowed to act like you?
Think about it.
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7573&view=findpost&p=5875072

Sword_Of_Truth

6th July 2006, 03:13 PM

These guys have gone two exits past delusional, and have taken the off ramp to hard-core psychotic. "God is watching you" intertwined with "I'll be watching you." Perhaps in Dr. Jones' mind, the two phrases mean the same?

Speaking of God and the Good Professor; I sent Jones an e-mail today apealing to him as a fellow mormon to issue a rebuttal to James Fetzers "all structural engineers are going to hell" remarks.

To be a paid employee of Brigham Young University or any church owned institution, one must be a member of the church in good standing. This includes not only Jones but also Dr. A. Woodruff Miller, chair of BYUs Civil Engineering department and Professor D. Allan Firmage, also a structural engineering professor at BYU. Both of whom have publicly critiscized Jones conclusions. That fact that Dr. Miller and Prof. Firmage are both in good standing with BYU proves they are in good standing with the church as well.

I asked Jones to take a stand and defend his fellow members of the church slandered by Fetzers proclamation regarding thier eternal salvation. This excersize will likely prove nothing. But given Jones's habit of quoting mormon scripture and comparing himself to its heroes, putting Fetzer and his proclaimed loyalty to the church in direct conflict should tell us alot about his character.

Stellafane

6th July 2006, 03:27 PM

Speaking of God and the Good Professor; I sent Jones an e-mail today apealing to him as a fellow mormon to issue a rebuttal to James Fetzers "all structural engineers are going to hell" remarks.

To be a paid employee of Brigham Young University or any church owned institution, one must be a member of the church in good standing. This includes not only Jones but also Dr. A. Woodruff Miller, chair of BYUs Civil Engineering department and Professor D. Allan Firmage, also a structural engineering professor at BYU. Both of whom have publicly critiscized Jones conclusions. That fact that Dr. Miller and Prof. Firmage are both in good standing with BYU proves they are in good standing with the church as well.

I asked Jones to take a stand and defend his fellow members of the church slandered by Fetzers proclamation regarding thier eternal salvation. This excersize will likely prove nothing. But given Jones's habit of quoting mormon scripture and comparing himself to its heroes, putting Fetzer and his proclaimed loyalty to the church in direct conflict should tell us alot about his character.

Ooo, this is a good one. If he agrees with Feltzer, he's basically saying Miller and Firmage aren't good Mormons, which I imagine won't sit well with them or BYU. If he says they -- and by extension, all other structural engineers -- are incompetent, then how does he explain why poorly-designed buildings aren't collapsing left and right all over the place? And if he says they're correct, his theory goes out the window.

So yeah, I'm guessing he won't respond and hopes you go away. Personally, I think the man's becoming dangerously meglomaniacal.

DavidJames

6th July 2006, 03:39 PM

The guy who sent me that email yesterday has been on the LC forum as "samuelaspade." He is tearing them up. I emailed him and said it can't last long at this rate, but to enjoy the ride!

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7573&view=findpost&p=5875072I recognize I've not the time (or possibly the smarts) to defend, thrust and parry the NIST and 9/11 reports with the loosers, I opted to try an easier lesson plan and show their "research" falls far short of adequate and not only leads to incorrect conclusions but makes them look quite foolish.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7553&st=60
The "school bell" rang at: Jul 6 2006, 01:16 PM EDT

The lesson turned out much better then expected and made them look far worse then I had ever hoped. Not surprisingly, neither johndoeX nor jenabell acknowledged their failures and as seen by the 2nd wave as employed by samuelaspade, haven't learned a thing. "weeble" johndoeX was knocked down, but has bounced right back up for another beating.

Go get 'em samuelaspade

edit - oh, and tell jenabell, meow

aggle-rithm

6th July 2006, 03:47 PM

No, sorry, but I don't think that's actionable. First of all, he doesn't say that he (or anyone he knows) is going to do anything. Second, for all you know, his way of getting Bush in hell is to buy a voodoo doll of Bush and rip it's head off.

No big deal, SOT. I just wanted to offer my opinion in the hope that you would rethink yours. You did, and you apparently stand by what you said. Fair enough.

Cheers.

These guys are EXPERTS at making bold statements without actually saying anything of substance that they would have to defend or back up with evidence. Comes with practice, evidently.

Class

6th July 2006, 03:48 PM

Just checked LC and samuelaspade has been banned.

DavidJames

6th July 2006, 04:13 PM

Just checked LC and samuelaspade has been banned.
I'm guessing because he asked johndoeX why he supported terrorists.

john got really upset and announced:

anyone who even suggests that we have any support for terrorists will be banned immediately and posts deleted and saved.Of course John isn't a mod.

John doesn't understand that words have meanings and you can't just say whatever crap rolls on to your tongue. That forum has no problems accusing American leaders of killing their own citizens (and other countries citizens), but seem to get their panties in a bunch and start crying when someone "offends" them.

Any parents of 6 year olds out there recognize this behavior?

WildCat

6th July 2006, 04:20 PM

Of course, johndoeX is a pilot, really he is! Just because he writes like a 5th grader and posts on LC 24/7, well maybe he has a computer in the cockpit. :rolleyes:

DavidJames

6th July 2006, 04:24 PM

Of course, johndoeX is a pilot, really he is! Just because he writes like a 5th grader and posts on LC 24/7, well maybe he has a computer in the cockpit. :rolleyes:I've read some of his posts outside the skeptics area. He has actually written some reasonably intelligent ones. Mostly when the talk is purely about flying.

It's a little (no, a lot) scary to think he may really be sitting in the pilots seat on a plane I'm flying in.

My family and I are flying in to LaGuardia later this month. I would feel much better if he admitted he wasn't really a pilot who flew anywhere near where I was.

Gravy

6th July 2006, 04:28 PM

Just checked LC and samuelaspade has been banned.
Bwah! That didn't take long. But check this out. I've learned that when I see something of special interest on LC, to make a copy of it, because it may not be there for long. I just compared my copy of that "supporting terrorists" page to what's there now, and the mods certainly modified it.

In the exchange between johndoeX and samuelaspade, guess who made a threat? But guess who got banned?

QUOTE (johndoeX @ Jul 6 2006, 10:25 PM)
Supporting a terrorist? Dont do that again... i will not take it lightly. That is slander.. and i will find you.

QUOTE (samuelaspade)
If you don't like it, then don't support terrorists.

QUOTE (johndoeX)
you think we support terroists here?

QUOTE (samuelaspade)
Of course you do. People like you give the terrorists wonderful moral support. They must LOVE "Loose Change," the movie that takes bin Laden's WORD for it that he wasn't involved, and with NO evidence, attempts to deflect blame on the US government! And thousands of fools buy into it!

Ha! that's a terrorist's wet dream!

Remember the embassy bombings? Remember the Cole? Remember the WTC in 1993, when they attempted to kill tens of thousands of Americans? Remember 9/11? How many times will we have to be attacked before you admit there's problem, johndoeX? How many people do they have to kill to get your attention?

These people SWORE to kill Americans and have done it time and again. They SWEAR to continue.

But you don't think that's a problem. You'd rather there be an investigation in to your paranoid delusions. You think we should still be looking for explosives at the WTC. You think there were no hijackers.

That's supporting terrorism.

DavidJames

6th July 2006, 04:35 PM

Sword_Of_Truth

6th July 2006, 04:36 PM

I've read some of his posts outside the skeptics area. He has actually written some reasonably intelligent ones. Mostly when the talk is purely about flying.

It's a little (no, a lot) scary to think he may really be sitting in the pilots seat on a plane I'm flying in.

My family and I are flying in to LaGuardia later this month. I would feel much better if he admitted he wasn't really a pilot who flew anywhere near where I was.

As I said to little Johnny when he challenged me to quiz him; "I'm not interested in testing your ability to google aviation terminology."

Gravy

6th July 2006, 04:38 PM

Speaking of God and the Good Professor; I sent Jones an e-mail today apealing to him as a fellow mormon to issue a rebuttal to James Fetzers "all structural engineers are going to hell" remarks.

Very well done, Sword. I have always wondered how Jones reconciles his professed Christianity with his deliberate deception in presenting evidence about 9/11.

Sword_Of_Truth

6th July 2006, 04:47 PM

Ooo, this is a good one. If he agrees with Feltzer, he's basically saying Miller and Firmage aren't good Mormons, which I imagine won't sit well with them or BYU. If he says they -- and by extension, all other structural engineers -- are incompetent, then how does he explain why poorly-designed buildings aren't collapsing left and right all over the place? And if he says they're correct, his theory goes out the window.

So yeah, I'm guessing he won't respond and hopes you go away. Personally, I think the man's becoming dangerously meglomaniacal.

I didn't tell him he had to retract his theory or risk expulsion from the church. I just asked him to stand up for his fellow mormons.

All he has to do is issue a statement to the effect of; "While Dr Miller, Prof Firmage and I disagree on matters of science, I still regard them as good, honest men who aren't going to hell".

Jones talks up his mormonism, let's see if he walks as well.

I think you're right though, he won't respond. But silence can speak volumes too.

Stellafane

6th July 2006, 04:58 PM

...oh, and tell jenabell, meow

I just read this thread, and I have to admit defeat -- I have no clue what is up with this jenabell person. What is his point? Does he even have one? He seems to follow the same sad shtick he did here: post some incomprehensible drivel, then completely derail his own thread by complaining when people don't understand what (if anything) he's trying to say.

I suppose I should take jenabell at his word, when I asked him why he posted here: "Because I can." I suppose that's why he posts in LC, why indeed he's a CT follower: because he can. No point, no plan, nothing to contribute, no wit nor wisdom -- no nothing, actually. Just excercising the ability to do it. The internet forum equivalent of jerking off.

Johnny C.

6th July 2006, 05:11 PM

Mr. Skinny

6th July 2006, 05:12 PM

These guys are EXPERTS at making bold statements without actually saying anything of substance that they would have to defend or back up with evidence. Comes with practice, evidently.
Actually, I kind of latched onto SOT's post for this very reason. He quoted something a Looser said and (again IMHO) interpreted it in a way that (to use your wording) lacked substance and that he couldn't defend well or back up with evidence.

I'm not trying to pick on SOT here, but the current "forum feud" is starting to get a bit out of hand, I think. The ninja crew here, and the LC'ers, are sniping at each other at tossing one liners back and forth. I don't think it's productive, but that's just me.

Neither side is making any progress by throwing around ad homs and trying to be mind readers. I like it better when folks stick to the evidence and leave out the other bull.

I understand the frustration, but maybe it's time to step back and take a breather.

But that's just me. OK, I'm off the soapbox.

Johnny C.

6th July 2006, 05:19 PM

The ninja crew here, and the LC'ers, are sniping at each other at tossing one liners back and forth. I don't think it's productive, but that's just me.

Yea, i agree. I have been doing that repeatedly to John. It just gets frustrating when I tear him a new ***hole and he replies with a "yawn...." or some emoticon.

Ill be taking a break for a bit, maybe natural selection will kick in and they will all be hit by bus or something by the time I get back.

Brainster

6th July 2006, 05:27 PM

Hey, did you guys all get banned today?

I got a suspension yesterday where I couldnt post, but now I am IP banned and cant even view any threads. I didnt get a warning or anything. I wasnt even that bad, besides calling everyone there stupid and ignorant. Thats not my fault though; I have a knee-jerk reaction where I call it as I see it.

It's probably not an IP ban, although I thought they had banned me that way as well. What I had to do was delete all my cookies from that site (IIRC they were under "invision", then reboot the computer. For some reason if I just shut down Firefox (my browser) and then restarted it, I still couldn't get on, so there must be some temporary file that rebooting takes care of.

Hope this helps!

Hutch

6th July 2006, 05:29 PM

Well, my suspension is due to be up come Sunday, we'll see if I can get back in. Have a few words I'd like to add to the discussion...

Gravy, hope you invited samuelaspade to join our little fraternity now that he/she? has been banned. I would have sworn reading the posts that it was somebody from here..somebody I knew...

BTW, a thread I helped spark to life in the Under the Bridge section there is one of the longest and most popular running--and it isn't even about 9-11!!! It deals with the Moon Hoax and several colleagues from the Bad Astronomy Universe Today (BAUT) Forum are putting a major-league whuppin' on various Moon Hoax CT'ers. Long but fun when you get tired of the 9-11 BS. And the lengths some will go to hold at CT...

Gravy

6th July 2006, 05:32 PM

Gravy, hope you invited samuelaspade to join our little fraternity now that he/she? has been banned. I would have sworn reading the posts that it was somebody from here..somebody I knew...

I did. Sent him a patch! He reminded me of someone who hasn't posted here in a while, but according to his email, he's not.

Johnny C.

6th July 2006, 05:36 PM

It's probably not an IP ban, although I thought they had banned me that way as well. What I had to do was delete all my cookies from that site (IIRC they were under "invision", then reboot the computer. For some reason if I just shut down Firefox (my browser) and then restarted it, I still couldn't get on, so there must be some temporary file that rebooting takes care of.

Hope this helps!
Thanks :) Ill try it out now

Brainster

6th July 2006, 05:44 PM

Bwah! That didn't take long. But check this out. I've learned that when I see something of special interest on LC, to make a copy of it, because it may not be there for long. I just compared my copy of that "supporting terrorists" page to what's there now, and the mods certainly modified it.

When I find something really outrageous I generally screen capture it so whoever did it can't deny it later (make sure that the URL is included in the screen cap). I once caught a guy saying something he shouldn't have, who quickly changed his post, and then had the nerve to claim that I was making up stories about him. Boom, up goes the screen cap, and (some people never learn) ten minutes later he changes his post again! Of course, I've got the screen cap for the intermediate version of the page, so now I've got him for the initial offense and the coverup!:D

BTW, I have a screen cap of Gypsy's flag post on the LC forum if anybody wants it (just text not the photos, although they were still up last evening). Unfortunately I didn't think to capture some of the posts from those objecting to that piece of "performance art".

Stellafane

6th July 2006, 05:51 PM

Actually, I kind of latched onto SOT's post for this very reason. He quoted something a Looser said and (again IMHO) interpreted it in a way that (to use your wording) lacked substance and that he couldn't defend well or back up with evidence...

For what little it's worth, I actually think SOT had a point. Saying that Bush will soon be in hell could well be interpreted by some as a threat on the president's life. I certainly wouldn't be too surprised if such verbiage might draw a bit of scrutiny from the Secret Service, especially if it came from someone whom they thought capable of carrying out such a threat. To compare SOT's reasoning with that of the LC'ers is just flat out unfair.

Mr. Skinny

6th July 2006, 06:12 PM

For what little it's worth, I actually think SOT had a point. Saying that Bush will soon be in hell could well be interpreted by some as a threat on the president's life. I certainly wouldn't be too surprised if such verbiage might draw a bit of scrutiny from the Secret Service, especially if it came from someone whom they thought capable of carrying out such a threat. To compare SOT's reasoning with that of the LC'ers is just flat out unfair.
Well, I checked the dictionary, and I guess I was using this definition: An expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage.

I didn't see anything that expressed an intention of doing anything, much less and "evil, injury, or damage".

Additionally, I looked at it from this point of view: If I went to the Air Force OSI, I felt they would point out the same things regarding that statement, and I wouldn't want to embarass myself. I also looked at it from my law enforcement experience: If I went to a domestic fight, and the wife told me that her husband had told her "You'll soon be in hell" or "I'll see you in hell" or somesuch, would I have cause for an arrest? I just can't see it, sorry.

You are right. It could be intrepreted by some as a threat. I'm just not one of those people.

And I didn't want to make this about SOT and his one post. It was more about people letting their emotions get the better of them regarding what the LC'ers are saying. However, I do realize I criticized his post. If he thinks I was unfair, I'm sure he'll say so.

Bottom line is, I would hate to see the "ninja wave" become what they abhor.

hellaeon

6th July 2006, 06:41 PM

Johnny C.

6th July 2006, 06:44 PM

I think what changes the meaning is that he said "soon". George Bush is only 60, and appears to be healthy from all the photos I see of him exercising, cutting down brush, or whatever tasks he does for fun.

I dont think he meant any harm except that Bush is evil, satanic, or possibly not a Christian like he pretends to be.

On a final note, I've heard of the FBI invesitgating more benign claims.

Gravy

6th July 2006, 06:54 PM

I certainly don't see a threat there. I see a guy who doesn't understand what a "police state" is.

WildCat

6th July 2006, 06:56 PM

I certainly don't see a threat there. I see a guy who doesn't understand what a "police state" is.
Those guys don't think Kim Jong Il is a dictator either. Go figure...

Sword_Of_Truth

6th July 2006, 09:44 PM

Those guys don't think Kim Jong Il is a dictator either. Go figure...

He's not such a bad guy. He's just ronery. ;)

Brainster

6th July 2006, 10:17 PM

Those guys don't think Kim Jong Il is a dictator either. Go figure...

Kim? The greatest golfer (http://brainster.blogspot.com/2005_07_31_brainster_archive.html#1123252933718849 00) in the history of the world?

apathoid

7th July 2006, 12:45 AM

As I said to little Johnny when he challenged me to quiz him; "I'm not interested in testing your ability to google aviation terminology."

I've read some of his posts outside the skeptics area. He has actually written some reasonably intelligent ones. Mostly when the talk is purely about flying.

Of course, johndoeX is a pilot, really he is! Just because he writes like a 5th grader and posts on LC 24/7, well maybe he has a computer in the cockpit

I've been lurking here for awhile now with no real intent to post because you guys are doing such a great job! However, I think I can help out here.

After reading some of what johndoe has written over at LC, I'm positive he's nothing more than a flightsim geek and a poseur. Every now and then in the airliners.net forums, a new user will proclaim to be a 777 Line Captain for UA( or similar) and will generally be quite polished in his first postings, speaking the language and talking about company policies, technical details, procedures, etc..with great accuracy(usually).
But one thing thing all these poseurs do is hide their real names, as they know all airman are searchable in the FAA database.
When people(who actually work in the industry) start inquiring about things that cannot be searched on Google or simulated in FS, they start breaking down. Badly.

I think I could probably work a short questionnaire to "quiz" our friend johndoe to see if he's the genuine article. Since I dont feel like searching all 1,200 of his idiotic posts to get an idea of who exactly he claims to work for/what equipment he "flies", can anyone give me an idea of his claims in this regard?

Year Zero

7th July 2006, 02:38 AM

I think it's a little simple minded to call Loosers "terrorist supporters" because they don't even believe in the existence of these terrorists. In the mind of a CT, Arabs and other Muslims are more than happy to be the world's punching bag without ever fighting back; much like the Amish.

gumboot

7th July 2006, 03:30 AM

Do you suppose that maybe Hurricane Katrina was actually an experiment in gub'mint weather control??

It was part of a secret plot to create a false flag op and blame it on Cuba, justifying an invasion. They called it... "Northcopse". The US government paid weather scientists (what are they called???) to claim the hurricane originated in a lab in Cuba, however a few brave heroic whistleblowers unravelled the government plan by announcing the hurricanes were NATURAL. Of course, CTers kmmediately recognised how ridiculous it was to claim hurricanes were natural, thus they worked out that the government created the hurricane themselves! And thus the trooth movement was born! God bless America!

-Andrew

NDBoston

7th July 2006, 03:44 AM

I think I could probably work a short questionnaire to "quiz" our friend johndoe to see if he's the genuine article. Since I dont feel like searching all 1,200 of his idiotic posts to get an idea of who exactly he claims to work for/what equipment he "flies", can anyone give me an idea of his claims in this regard?

He said this yesterday.

Im a CFI II MEI ATP. I dont offer my airline. I been in the business for 20 years.

apathoid

7th July 2006, 04:20 AM

He said this yesterday.

Im a CFI II MEI ATP. I dont offer my airline. I been in the business for 20 years

Translation: Heres a bunch of jargon you wont understand so you'll think I'm a pilot.

I've been searching his posts the last hour or so to see if there's anything I can hang him on, and I found that one too. I find it funny that he wont disclose his alleged employer. It cant be because of paranoia, because it takes an act of Congress to fire a pilot(unless they show up for work under the influence), so he must know that he could be easily exposed as a fraud if he encounters anyone who actually works for his airline....

That said, I think I've been able to deduce the only possible airline he could work for. In one post he stated he knew an airline crew from his company that saw the South Tower hit from Newark Int'l. He also said he knew several crews at JFK that saw it as well. In another thread he mentioned that he had to call a friend of a different airline for 757 information. There is only one US airline that doesnt fly the 757 that serves both Newark and JFK, namely JetBlue. This will make the quiz difficult because they fly an all Airbus fleet. Unfortunatly, I know next to nothing about Airbusses. I'll keep looking to see if he mentions anything that disqualifies JetBlue...that would leave him with no airlines left to fly for based on what he's said!

Harlequin

7th July 2006, 04:38 AM

Since he probably reads this thread, I'll bet he's doing all the research he can on JetBlue...

Gravy

7th July 2006, 04:40 AM

Of course, CTers kmmediately recognised how ridiculous it was to claim hurricanes were natural, thus they worked out that the government created the hurricane themselves! And thus the trooth movement was born! God bless America!

-Andrew
The sad thing is, some CTs have actually argued this position.

Gravy

7th July 2006, 04:43 AM

After reading a bunch of his posts in the past couple of days, I'm convinced that johndoeX is a commercial pilot. All real pilots use "LOL" in at least every third sentence.

Harlequin

7th July 2006, 04:48 AM

...commercial pilot...

"I'm not a pilot, but I played one in a TV commercial..."

apathoid

7th July 2006, 04:58 AM

After reading a bunch of his posts in the past couple of days, I'm convinced that johndoeX is a commercial pilot. All real pilots use "LOL" in at least every third sentence.

Not just any commerical pilot, he's a veteran commercial pilot with 20 years and thousands of hours of experience...and yet he cant go one sentence without a "dude" "lol" "OMG" or even a "ROFL" in there somewhere.

Now I've just read thats he's never heard of pprune.org, which is only the largest professional pilot site on the internet with 100,000 members. He also thinks its suspicious that there are holes in primary radar coverage and he mistakenly referred to the secondary radar as Mode C, when its Mode S, and has been that way for like 10 years ..tsk..tsk.

Belz...

7th July 2006, 05:02 AM

60hzxtl

7th July 2006, 05:07 AM

After reading a bunch of his posts in the past couple of days, I'm convinced that johndoeX is a commercial pilot. All real pilots use "LOL" in at least every third sentence.

I think you guys are reading to much into it.

Did he say "I drive planes' at any time?

I think he "drives" them by pulling them around the runway with a tractor.

WildCat

7th July 2006, 05:09 AM

Not just any commerical pilot, he's a veteran commercial pilot with 20 years and thousands of hours of experience...and yet he cant go one sentence without a "dude" "lol" "OMG" or even a "ROFL" in there somewhere.
In another post he was talking about how much he was drinking that day. When questioned about that, he said even pilots get a day off. But I doubt very many drink to the extent he says he was, even on an off day.

Also, he posts on a site where people claim a large jet plane hitting the ground at a 75 degree angle under full throttle would leave large sections intact, including a full tail section. Seems a real pilot would know how silly that is.

apathoid

7th July 2006, 05:53 AM

In another post he was talking about how much he was drinking that day. When questioned about that, he said even pilots get a day off. But I doubt very many drink to the extent he says he was, even on an off day.
I'm sure some pilots drink like fish, but FAA rules and typcially harsher company rules make it difficult to drink with any kind of frequency. I believe the rule is 24 hours from bottle-to-cockpit, but I'm not 100% sure...

Also, he posts on a site where people claim a large jet plane hitting the ground at a 75 degree angle under full throttle would leave large sections intact, including a full tail section. Seems a real pilot would know how silly that is.
Very true, and real pilots have no problem with Hani Hanjours ability to steer a 757 into an 80 ft tall X 1000 ft wide building. Only the posers seem to have a problem with this(Nila Sagadevan most notably) for some reason.

apathoid

7th July 2006, 05:54 AM

double post

Gravy

7th July 2006, 05:57 AM

From the Loose Change Blog. (http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/)

7.05.2006
Go figure.

So, both Loose Change 2nd Edition and the September 11th, 2005 extra have been removed from Google Video. Strangely, the foreign versions are all intact.

Hmmm. Any thoughts?

POSTED BY DYLAN AVERY AT 7:35 PM *
One English-language version is still on Google, but you have to search a bit for it. The only version in the top 100 is in Korean, and it's #10! That explains why Mike at 911myths.com said a couple of days ago that in one hour something like 400 people downloaded my LC Viewer Guide, and he gave a link to a site in Korean where most of the downloaders came from.

The version linked from loosechange911.com is called "911 Cover Up" and was uploaded May 30, in the midst of their copyright problems.