Brauer Homeopathic from Australia

[Richard]

Brauer Homeopathic from Australia are being pushed to take the JREF Million Dollar Challenge.

See: http://www.brauer.com.au/forum.asp

Online reports

Homeopathy Questions

Homeopathy Under Fire?

So far, all they have said on the matter is "As to the offer made by James Randi, this appears to revolve around the mistaken notion that homeopathy doesn’t work."

[GzuzKryzt]

Given a roman, er, um, german name, I always gladly follow links. Like this one http://www.brauer.com.au/forum_edit.asp?fid=1153

or that one http://www.brauer.com.au/forum_edit.asp?fid=1146

It seems to me, you Australians got a lot going on for a bunch of cast-offs. :D



Also, please someone more qualified than me step up. People like drkitten, Zep et al should tackle this.

[Mojo]

So far, all they have said on the matter is "As to the offer made by James Randi, this appears to revolve around the mistaken notion that homeopathy doesn’t work."Nope (http://www.randi.org/jr/020604monk.html#8). The JREF has for years offered the homeopathic community a simple challenge — one that we also made to Benveniste: simply show us that you are able to differentiate between homeopathic and non-homeopathic preparations, by any means, and you win the million-dollar prize. By "any means," we mean chemical (qualitative or quantitative analysis), biological (in vivo or in vitro), physical (polarization, spectroanalysis, microanalysis), or metaphysical (Tarot cards, intuition, vibrations, auras, Kirlian, I Ching, guessing, spirit communication), or any other means. It revolves around the notion that homoeopathic remedies of over 12c/24x are indistinguishable from the stock solvent/sugar pills used in their preparation.

I suspect that being able to tell one remedy from another at that sort of potency would also be acceptable.

To win the prize, they don't need to demonstrate that homoeopathy works; they just need to demonstrate that they can tell one remedy from another, or from the stock solvent. Of course, demonstrating that homoeopathic remedies at that sort of potency actually work better than placebo would do it, but that isn't a specific requirement for the challenge.

Identifying a remedy from its proving symptoms would seem to be a simple way of conducting the test, as it wouldn't raise the ethical issues inherent in depriving someone who is actually ill of their medication (this is the problem Sanjay Vashi's application (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=40008) ran into).

[drkitten]

Also, please someone more qualified than me step up. People like drkitten, Zep et al should tackle this.

(Well, thank you,... although I suggest that Rolfe and Hans are the real heavyweights here....) Actually, I just tried, but it looks like I hit a bug in the forum software. Since I'm a paranoid type, I suspect a proactively placed bug to keep them from getting hammered from JREF members....

[Richard]

(Well, thank you,... although I suggest that Rolfe and Hans are the real heavyweights here....) Actually, I just tried, but it looks like I hit a bug in the forum software. Since I'm a paranoid type, I suspect a proactively placed bug to keep them from getting hammered from JREF members....

Try posting it as a new thread.

[Moochie]

(Well, thank you,... although I suggest that Rolfe and Hans are the real heavyweights here....) Actually, I just tried, but it looks like I hit a bug in the forum software. Since I'm a paranoid type, I suspect a proactively placed bug to keep them from getting hammered from JREF members....


Same thing happened to me, drkitten. Seems they're keeping their polished bottoms out of harm's way. :)

M.

[Hman]

I have just tried to folw the link to Brauer to research whay is being said on the forums and it has been discontinued.

Quelle Horreur.

[rustytunes]

See this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=58266).

[Zep]

Well, there are OTHER ways to skin this particular cat.

[rustytunes]

To skin a cat, first you must let it out of the bag. :D

[rjh01]

We did that and it got away. We at least disabled one of their weapon systems.

(Excuse me but I have just been watching Star Trek.)

[rustytunes]

Yes, and with any luck anybody reading the threads would have seen them:

Not answer, or weasel out the same questions several times, including why don't they take the JREF challenge;

State that their quality assurance system is limited to the TGA's minimum requirements for GMP, ie; quality testing of the diluent and prodedural checks of the serial dilution and succussion of the tincture (nice to know that its all traceable);

Admit that it is not possible to determine the difference between Coffea 29C and Coffea 30Cby analytical means.

It was an interesting insight into their workings, though.