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renata
22nd May 2003, 06:34 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-abort22may22,1,3796805.story?coll=la%2Dhome%2Dhead lines


Emphasis mine below. Now people have different feelings about abortion, but it appears these guys are using discredited reasearch to fit their agenda. I do not think a reflection period is a bad idea, although it seems to be used here merely as a stumbling block. But requiring doctors to tell patients things that doctors know to be factually untrue is very cynical.


Texas approved one of the nation's most sweeping abortion counseling laws Wednesday, requiring doctors, among other things, to warn women that abortion might lead to breast cancer.

That link, however, does not exist, according to the American Cancer Society and federal government researchers, and critics say the law is a thinly veiled attempt to intimidate, frighten and shame women who are seeking an abortion.


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After years of failed attempts to outlaw abortion outright, social conservatives across the nation are now finding success in limiting abortions by requiring so-called counseling of patients. Among the most aggressive tactics is the attempt to link abortion with breast cancer, a move that many conservative organizations have undertaken, but rarely with the success they have found in Texas.

"They don't care what science says," said Claudia D. Stravato, chief executive of Planned Parenthood of Amarillo and the Texas Panhandle. "It's like talking to the Flat Earth Society."
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The Texas law requires women to wait through a 24-hour "reflection" period before they receive an abortion, making Texas the 18th state with that law on the books. Supporters say that provision will help ensure that women are making the right decision. Opponents point out that abortion services are only available in 15 of Texas' 254 counties, and say the waiting period will be a hardship for women from rural areas who have to travel long distances for health care.

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Women would be offered photographs approximating what their fetus looks like — color photographs, as specified by the law. Democrats' attempts to exempt victims of rape or incest from having to view the photos were defeated, ....

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Finally, the bill requires doctors to offer women information warning them that abortion can increase the risk of breast cancer. Texas becomes one of a handful of states, including Mississippi and Minnesota, with such laws on the books.

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Researchers aren't sure what causes breast cancer, but some believe that hormonal changes associated with the final stages of pregnancy can help protect a woman from breast cancer. Others have argued that breast cells might become vulnerable to cancer if those hormones do not develop, a notion that social conservatives have seized upon.

Doctors will have to offer all women information about the alleged link between abortion and breast cancer — even if they have had children previously and, therefore, have developed the hormones.

In February, the National Cancer Institute — the federal government's cancer research organization — asked more than 100 of the world's experts to review more than 30 studies that have been conducted and attempt to resolve the issue. Their conclusion: Having an abortion "does not increase a woman's subsequent risk of developing breast cancer." ...

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"The American Cancer Society's reputation as a source of information for the public is just critical to our mission. We're not going to mislead people about this," said Mary Coyne, a board member of the society's Texas division. "We spend $100 million a year on research. We know what we're talking about. There is just no research that supports this claim."

Corte, who has a professional background in property management, said he believes that conclusion is "flawed."

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Skeptical Greg
22nd May 2003, 06:37 AM
Sheesh, they should include " Having Breasts may lead to Breast Cancer"..

And recommend their removal..:rolleyes:

hgc
22nd May 2003, 07:04 AM
Having an abortion reduces the chances of bringing the pregnancy to term.

Cleopatra
22nd May 2003, 09:13 AM
I 've been telling you that we are still in the Middle Ages... where the motto of the Holy Inquisition ( or was it of Jesuites? Oh well...) applies everywhere: " The End Justifies the Means..."

Let's hope that Doctors won't forget that they are under the Hippocratic Oath.

renata
22nd May 2003, 09:22 AM
That is a good point. I wish I could hear from ThirdTwin on this topic- I believe he was a medical student or a resident in Texas. How ethical is it for doctors to tell patients information they know to be false, because they are required to by law? What if a woman makes an adverse decision based only on the fictitious risk of breast cancer?

I remember reading an anti-abortion article which talked about various medical complications of abortions for the woman. I thought at the time- well, if we are discussing purely medical consequences for the woman, I think pregnancy and childbirth is much more dangerous for the woman than an early abortion.

As I said previously, abortion is a complicated issue, and I am not comfortable with all aspects of it myself. However, if the debate is on terms of medical dangers to the mother alone, and not the fetus, or morality and emotional repricussions- that debate should be honest. And as far as I know, based on that factor alone abortions are safer than pregnancies, and sure as hell legal abortions are safer than back valley butchery that went on prior to Roe. v Wade.

Cleopatra
22nd May 2003, 09:36 AM
I will take my risks to be completely wrong but it's ok someone might correct me on this.

The whole issue brought the following cohesion to my mind: Doctors that they were ordered (? ) to make experiments during War period.

Maybe it's completely irrelevant but this is what came to my mind.

They could have said no but they didn't. I thought that it was clear that doctors do not accept orders by any legislation.

Mercutio
22nd May 2003, 10:00 AM
from the original: Women would be offered photographs approximating what their fetus looks like — color photographs, as specified by the law. Democrats' attempts to exempt victims of rape or incest from having to view the photos were defeated, ....

from me: Lawmakers would be offered photographs depicting what dead girls look like, having committed suicide rather than go throught the humiliating process specified by the law.

Bentspoon
22nd May 2003, 01:16 PM
From the article:

Women would be offered photographs approximating what their fetus looks like — color photographs, as specified by the law. Democrats' attempts to exempt victims of rape or incest from having to view the photos were defeated, ....

Yeah but I would be willing to bet that those first trimester photos are not going to show something that looks like it blew out of your nose. They will have arms and legs etc.

If I were the physician, I would be showing them the picture of the little bit of goo and easing their minds at the inconsequentiality of it all.

Bentspoon