Vampires Staked - Amazing Tale...

[songstress]

...here at:

TheCrossandTheStake@groups.msn.com

http://www.gothicpress.freeserve.co.uk/Vampire%20Research%20Society.htm

I don't know if any of you have ever seen/read anything by this bloke Manchester, but he's a total 'kook.' Claims to have staked a real-life vampire at Highgate Cemetery, but the proof is mysteriously absent.

Enjoy!

Patsy.

[kitakaze]

Yes, I often find a jaunt on an internet chat group to be just the ticket after a bit o' the ol' hammer 'n tongs with a gaggle o' the undead. It's the nerves, y'see. Aye, it's true.:)

[songstress]

Yes, he's a well-known publicity seeker who parades as a Bishop of his own autocephalous church, and 'moonlights' as a 'professional vampire hunter.' When pushed as to how many vampires he's staked, he mysteriously dodges the question, and proceeds to insult the questioner, thereby covering his tracks. The 'vampire' picture in his book 'The Highgate Vampire' bears a striking resemblance to himself; so much so, that I think they're related. A link to the book is provided in the second of the weblinks above.

I have yet to see real evidence of the vampires he claims to have despatched.

Patsy.

[kitakaze]

Ugh, I just had a shower before going through your second link and now I need another. Blech, what a mountain of crap. I need to go watch 'Fright Night' and laugh it off.

[Big Les]

He sometimes gets wheeled out by UK television if they feel they need to do something Halloweeny. He's clearly as mad as a bag of hammers. I seem to remember a website that debunked him to some extent, inasmuch as that was even necessary!

[Nex]

Heh, I remember this guy. He hit the Occultforums a while back. Quite the egotist.

His member profile: http://www.occultforums.com/member.php?u=3570

Threads he started: http://www.occultforums.com/search.php?searchid=360694

If you feel like a laugh, read the "International Vampire Review (http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=6676)" thread. It includes such fun as Sean Manchester and David Farrant in a pissing contest. Ah, rivalry. :D

[Dr Adequate]

I have yet to see real evidence of the vampires he claims to have despatched. Well that's 'cos they crumble into dust when exposed to sunlight.

Duh.

[Nex]

Yet there must be a way to distinguish vampire dust from regular old dust, right? It just stands to reason... :D

[Palimpsest]

Well, some legends do say that putting the dust in contact with blood will bring the vampire back to (un)life.

[songstress]

Yes, they're all a bunch of blinking loonies, but if I had to choose one over the other I'd say that Manchester was the biggest nutter of all. He really believes that he staked a blood-sucking vampire in Highgate cemetery and has made himself a fortune by living out his fantasy. I've been to Highgate cemetery and there's nothing more vampire-like than the mosquitos that bite after sundown.

Hmmm.

Patsy.

[Starthinker]

Yes, they're all a bunch of blinking loonies, but if I had to choose one over the other I'd say that Manchester was the biggest nutter of all. He really believes that he staked a blood-sucking vampire in Highgate cemetery and has made himself a fortune by living out his fantasy. I've been to Highgate cemetery and there's nothing more vampire-like than the mosquitos that bite after sundown.

Hmmm.

Patsy.

So, what you're saying is that mosquitos are the un-dead! Oh, for the froin of lavin, I need a million teeny tiny wooden stakes!

[Axenos]

"Click on each book title to view individual details, reviews and book ordering information."

It's all just a big blinkin' ad, designed to sell books and whatnot... targeting a very specific audience.

Wow...

Axe

[Lothian]

I have yet to see real evidence of the vampires he claims to have despatched.

Patsy.Pasty,

Do I recall correctly you are a medium who believes in ghosts? If so perhaps the network of the dead could hunt down some evidence for you.

If I recall incorrectly - sorry.

[supercorgi]

So, what you're saying is that mosquitos are the un-dead! Oh, for the froin of lavin, I need a million teeny tiny wooden stakes!
And ticks, don't forget ticks. <shudder>

[Soapy Sam]

Patsy- what's the take on vampires at Healthypages? I don't recall the subject coming up. (Mind you, I only tended to read the science bits).

I think the Hammer Horror films have pretty well driven a stake through the whole vampire notion in the west. Sexing it up in "Buffy" seems to have made it even more ridiculous. People who are convinced of the reality of spirits seem more likely to scoff at the notion of the "traditional" vampire. (Maybe it's the opera cloak and bad haircut).
I'm a big fan of Otto Chriek , myself.

Is it just Manchester you consider daft, or the whole "undead" concept?
Given your acceptance of ghosts / spirits, I'm curious.

[Senor_Pointy]

Now honestly, all of you, everyone knows there's no such thing as vampires. This "Manchester" character was obviously paid by the New World Order to spread disinformation. He's talking about vampires to draw our eyes away from their schemes to raise a zombie army! :eek:

[Dr Adequate]

Vampire watermelons

Vampire watermelons are a folk legend from the Balkans, in southeastern Europe. The story is associated with the Roma people of the region, who originated much of vampire folklore among other unusual legends.

The belief in vampire watermelons is similar to the belief that any inanimate object left outside during the night of a full moon will become a vampire. According to tradition, virtually any kind of melon or pumpkin kept more than ten days or after Christmas will become a vampire, rolling around on the ground and growling to pester the living. People have little fear of the vampire melons because of the creatures' lack of teeth. * (http://www.answers.com/topic/vampire-watermelon)

[Carnivore]

Now honestly, all of you, everyone knows there's no such thing as vampires. This "Manchester" character was obviously paid by the New World Order to spread disinformation. He's talking about vampires to draw our eyes away from their schemes to raise a zombie army! :eek:

Fear not! Zombie Squad is on the case! http://zombiehunters.org/index.php

[songstress]

Yep Lothian, I do believe in ghosts, but I think even ghosts would have a job in their hands, trying to track down the numerous vampires he's supposed to have staked! Ha ha! No, I categorically don't think that out-of-the-coffin-go-for-the-jugular vampires exist. It's all myth.

Sam - no talk of vampires on HP at the moment. I might open up a new topic for it....thanks.

Patsy.

[kitakaze]

Patsy, not a bait, not a flame, nor an attempt to incite trouble but what exactly do you believe a ghost by nature is? Sorry if you've heard that a mill.

[Lothian]

Yep Lothian, I do believe in ghosts, but I think even ghosts would have a job in their hands, trying to track down the numerous vampires he's supposed to have staked! Ha ha! No, I categorically don't think that out-of-the-coffin-go-for-the-jugular vampires exist. It's all myth.
Wow that is a coincidence I categorically don't think that ghosts exist To paraphrase your opening post.

I don't know if any of you have ever seen/read anything ghost hunters, but they are total 'kooks.' They claim to have seen a ghost, but the proof is mysteriously absent.

[Myth Buster]

He really believes that he staked a blood-sucking vampire in Highgate cemetery and has made himself a fortune by living out his fantasy.


I am having considerable difficulty finding where the man himself - not someone else who is posting their conjecture - states that he "staked a blood-sucking vampire in Highgate cemetery."

Where did Patsy glean the information to make such an allegation? Is it in his book? If so, which page?

Also, there is no evidence that he "made himself a fortune" by pursuing such things, especially as all profits from his book are apparently donated to his church.

[Bandersnatch]

Where did Patsy glean the information to make such an allegation? Is it in his book? If so, which page?

Not sure about Patsy, but I first read it in the Vampire's Bedside Companion (http://www.amazon.com/Vampires-Bedside-Companion-Amazing-Fiction/dp/0340208139). Unfortunately, I don't have it with me, so I can't tell you the page. Random Fact: I'm not sure if it's Sammy, but someone in that book claims to have a mystikal medallion to keep blood suckers at bay.

EDIT:There's always wiki-ing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highgate_Vampire) it too.

[This Guy]

Vampire watermelons

People have little fear of the vampire melons because of the creatures' lack of teeth.

Well, they should fear them! They can trip you up and cause you to bash your head against rocks! Then they just soak up your blood!

Be foolhardy if you like! But don't say I didn't warn you!


:dewink:

[Miss Whiplash]

Well, they should fear them! They can trip you up and cause you to bash your head against rocks! Then they just soak up your blood!

Be foolhardy if you like! But don't say I didn't warn you!


:dewink:


And they are tasty on a hot summer afternoon! ;)

[Myth Buster]

There is no mention or suggestion that Sean Manchester staked a vampire at Highgate Cemetery in Peter Underwood's The Vampire's Bedside Companion, but there is reference to a certain David Farrant on page 80 (1975 edition) who is quoted as saying he intended to destroy the vampire by any means necessary.

In August 1970, of course, Farrant was arrested in Highgate Cemetery. Police found a sharp wooden stake and a Christian cross in his possession. Interviews given to the press by Farrant reveal that he intended to plunge the stake through the heart of the vampire if he found it. He appeared at Clerkenwell Court in August 1970 where he was charged with being in an enclosed area for an unlawful purpose. The magistrate was obviously obliged to acquit Farrant of that charge because it was obvious, not least to defending solictor Mr Jeffrey Bayes, that Highgate Cemetery cannot be described as "an enclosed area." This technicality secured Farrant's release in 1970 after a spell on remand in Brixton prison.

However, we should also remind ourselves of what the magistrate, Mr J D Purcell, said when Farrant first appeared before him whilst on remand at Brixton prison: "You should be seen by a doctor."

[Myth Buster]

A photograph (first published on page 16 of The Vampire Hunter’s Handbook) shows David Farrant holding “a stake to plunge through the heart” of the vampire and “a cross made from two bits of wood tied together with a shoelace.” The picture was taken prior to Farrant's collaboration with journalist Barrie Simmons in October 1970. Simmons joined Farrant for a “midnight date with Highgate’s Vampire.” The journalist featured his meeting in an article accompanied by a selection of photographs (showing Farrant hunting a vampire) in the London Evening News, 16 October 1970:

“I joined a macabre hunt among the desecrated graves and tombs for the vampire of Highgate Cemetery. … David, 24, was all set, kitted out with all the gear required by any self-respecting vampire hunter. Clutched under his arm, in a Sainsbury’s carrier bag, he held the tools of his trade. There was a cross made out of two bits of wood tied together with a shoelace and a stake to plunge through the heart of the beast. Vampire hunting is a great art. There is no point in just standing around waiting for the monster to appear. It must be stalked. So we stalked. Cross in one hand to ward off the evil spirits, stake in the other, held at the ready. David stalked among the vaults, past the graves, in the bushes and by the walls. When he had finished he started stalking all over again.”

These publicity-seeking antics led to five columns in the London Evening News, including a half-page feature of photographs, but little else. Farrant was something of a novice when it came to vampire hunting, but Simmons’ article attests to the fact that, albeit amateurishly, Farrant did engage in such behaviour.

[This Guy]

SNIP
Farrant was something of a novice when it came to vampire hunting, but Simmons’ article attests to the fact that, albeit amateurishly, Farrant did engage in such behaviour.

Well, I'd venture to say Farrant has done a damn good job! When was the last verified sighting of a vampire in the area?



:dewink:

(Sorry, but for some reason the devil smileys just seem so appropriate for this thread)

[Rrose Selavy]

I am having considerable difficulty finding where the man himself - not someone else who is posting their conjecture - states that he "staked a blood-sucking vampire in Highgate cemetery."

Where did Patsy glean the information to make such an allegation? Is it in his book? If so, which page?

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Here it is, in his own words, via the BBC unless someone was impersonating him at the time. Not difficult to find. Much easier than finding vampires, in fact. It was the very first link you get when you Google " Sean Manchester"

BBC Host: This is the first question:

Dee Hillier: Hello Sean, Apart from Highgate Cemetery have you investigated any other incidents that might prove the existence of Vampires in the UK?

Sean Manchester Hi there. Yes I have. The most infamous after Highgate might be the Kirklees vampire in West Yorkshire. There are others in the country and elsewhere - But one shouldn't publish until it's closed and satisfactorally dealt with!


Mr Papachumba: So how many vampires have you caught?

Sean Manchester Scores. I have personally exorcised quite a number. Precise number I couldn't tell you. But after 33 years of vampire hunting, quite a few.

helen: have you any recorded proof of vampires existence?

Sean Manchester In my book The Highgate Vampire are photos of a vampire soon after exorcism, in the stages of decomposition.


Matthew Beezley: Have you ever taken a photograph of a vampire and shown it around?

Sean Manchester Yes I have, but only moments after exorcism has taken place



Lee Cunliffe: Have you ever almost been bitten?

Sean Manchester I have been bitten on the left palm by a supernatural predatory vampire.



Hayley Griffiths WERE DID YOU SEE THIS VAMPIRE THAT BIT YOU???

Sean Manchester It's recorded in my book The Highgate Vampire, and it took place in my investigation at the house near what used to be called the great north London cemetery.



Athena Roberts: what is the longest battle you have had with a vampire?

Sean Manchester 13 years - and that was the case of the Highgate vampire


The views expressed in this livechat are those of Sean Manchester and not of the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/talkwales/vampiretranscript.shtml

[Myth Buster]

Nowhere in any of those responses does Sean Manchester state that he staked a vampire in Highgate Cemetery. This is crucial because David Farrant did state under oath during a High Court trial that he raised (or attempted to raise) a vampire in Highgate Cemetery whilst conducting an occult ceremony.

[Myth Buster]

Well, I'd venture to say Farrant has done a damn good job! When was the last verified sighting of a vampire in the area?

According to Manchester and his associates there have been no authentic sightings or reports of a vampire in the Highgate area since the early Seventies.

According to Farrant there have been sightings of the vampire as recently as last year. He was interviewed by journalist Marc Mullen of the Hampstead & Highgate Express (a local newspaper) where it was claimed by David Farrant that the vampire is still at large.

Nobody else, however, supports this claim and no witness has been identified by Farrant.

[Timble]

It strikes me that neither the Farrant faction nor the Manchester faction is what you'd call particularly credible...

[Rrose Selavy]

Nowhere in any of those responses does Sean Manchester state that he staked a vampire in Highgate Cemetery. .

Really? No doubt you are going to interpret "stalked" as some specialised occult practice rather than a "13 year battle" .It's pretty clear what was said, even if your agenda is to assert the opposite.

But obvously the 30 plus year old Farrant/Manchester feud has now entered the Randi forums.

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[Myth Buster]

I don't know what you are trying to insinuate. I am not an occultist or an apologist for anyone. The fact remains that the person who began this thread began it on a false premise, ie that "this bloke Manchester ... claims to have staked a real-life vampire at Highgate Cemetery."

Why are you unwilling to look beyond your own prejudice?

You have not found a single attribution to support the allegation that Sean Manchester staked a vampire at Highgate Cemetery.

The person who started this thread and made the unsubstantiated claim has remained mysteriously silent.

That might be for two reasons.

1. She knows it to be untrue.

2. As "songstress" she is an ordinary member of the James Randi forum, but as "soprano" she is a moderator/administrator of the David Farrant forum.

[brodski]

I don't know what you are trying to insinuate. I am not an occultist or an apologist for anyone. The fact remains that the person who began this thread began it on a false premise, ie that "this bloke Manchester ... claims to have staked a real-life vampire at Highgate Cemetery."

Why are you unwilling to look beyond your own prejudice?

You have not found a single attribution to support the allegation that Sean Manchester staked a vampire at Highgate Cemetery.

The person who started this thread and made the unsubstantiated claim has remained mysteriously silent.

That might be for two reasons.

1. She knows it to be untrue.

2. As "songstress" she is an ordinary member of the James Randi forum, but as "soprano" she is a moderator/administrator of the David Farrant forum.

songstress hasn't logged into this forum for nearly 6 months (check her public profile). If you want to ask her questions, I suggest you try to contact her on other sites where you know she posts.

[Miss Whiplash]

This has certainly become quite a soap opera. I'm expecting someone to announce they are pregnant by their best friend's husband at any moment.

[Rrose Selavy]

This has certainly become quite a soap opera. I'm expecting someone to announce they are pregnant by their best friend's husband at any moment.

No. I deny that allegation . It was a virgin birth.

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[Miss Whiplash]

:D

This soap needs a catchy name. "Stake-enders" and "As the Tombstone Turns" have an old and reliable sound. "Sean of the Dead" is very contemporary. It has potential. I could envision that as a Broadway to Hollywood musical. With a little good writing and revision, I could see Queen Latifah in the starring role of Sean Manchester.

[Myth Buster]

It strikes me that neither the Farrant faction nor the Manchester faction is what you'd call particularly credible...

That being the case, why do you suppose it is always Manchester being attacked by some extant members here, even to the extent of the attackers using misinformation sourced from Farrant to attack him?

[Timble]

You're attacking each other because Farrant and Manchester fell out around 30 years ago...it's a long running feud...

[Myth Buster]

You're attacking each other because Farrant and Manchester fell out around 30 years ago...it's a long running feud...

I'm not attacking anyone. There's enough of that going on here already. I am merely attempting to redress the balance in what appears to be a public lynching by certain members while a transparently guilty party slinks off with the crowd's apparent blessing. Yet that guilty party's acolytes have already infiltrated this forum and are currently posting reams of defamation and abuse.

From what I can discern, Manchester and Farrant had little in common and have never liked each other. One is a traditionalist Christian while the other is a self-styled occultist of some sort. They have had no contact for decades and intend none in the future, which makes it all the more sad that others are determined to keep this unpleasantness bubbling in a cauldron under which the fire would have otherwise extinguished long ago but for their stoking it.

[brodski]

They have had no contact for decades and intend none in the future, .

How do you know what either party intends? Are you either of the named parties? Or are you in contact with either of these people?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Howabout this; unless either party can put forth objective, verifiable evidence substantiating the claim that there was anything at Highgate that can be defined as a vampire then both parties are a couple of loony-bins.

[Lisa Simpson]

I firmly believe this forum is an equal opportunity woo mocking forum.

[Minarvia]

That being the case, why do you suppose it is always Manchester being attacked by some extant members here, even to the extent of the attackers using misinformation sourced from Farrant to attack him?

All in all, why do you care?

[Ducky]

Nowhere in any of those responses does Sean Manchester state that he staked a vampire in Highgate Cemetery. This is crucial because David Farrant did state under oath during a High Court trial that he raised (or attempted to raise) a vampire in Highgate Cemetery whilst conducting an occult ceremony.

I certainly find the statements that he has staked a vampire regardless of where to be the important factor.

To be honest I think Ferrant and Manchester are both batsh** insane, but it seems that at least Ferrant is an affable person whereas Manchester doesn't seem to give that impression

Either way, why do you care? Unless you happen to either work with or be one of the said parties. What is your exact affiliation with Manchester? (Id ask about Ferrant but your posting agenda seems to align you with Manchester.) You've stated you are not him in another thread, but I never saw where you said whether you knew him, worked with him, or currently are affiliated either personally or professionally with him.

[brodski]

I certainly find the statements that he has staked a vampire regardless of where to be the important factor.


Well, if it where in Highgate cemetery, then there would be the possibility that the vampire in question was Karl Marx. And what would be more exciting that battling a communist vampire.

On a slightly more serious note (but who can take this guff completely seriously) I get the feeling that our friend the Barmy Bishop is coy about whether he did or did not stake a vampire in Highgate cemetery (as opposed to just spending 13 years "battling the Highgate vampire") for legal reasons.
Remember what Farrent was convicted for. Now I could be wrong, and if Manchester where to deny this publicly, I would probably believe him, however given that he believes he has seen vampires, he's probably not the most reliable of witnesses.

[Ducky]

Well, if it where in Highgate cemetery, then there would be the possibility that the vampire in question was Karl Marx. And what would be more exciting that battling a communist vampire.

On a slightly more serious note (but who can take this guff completely seriously) I get the feeling that our friend the Barmy Bishop is coy about whether he did or did not stake a vampire in Highgate cemetery (as opposed to just spending 13 years "battling the Highgate vampire") for legal reasons.
Remember what Farrent was convicted for. Now I could be wrong, and if Manchester where to deny this publicly, I would probably believe him, however given that he believes he has seen vampires, he's probably not the most reliable of witnesses.

Bah. I've seen you shoe unicorns, and you are a lousy unicorn shoe-er. Also, you consistantly show religious hatred as I bless my unicorns after shoe-ing and you make fun of that. Why do you violate the UK's Religious Hatred laws by inciting hate speech about me and my unicorns?

(See how retarded this all sounds Myth Buster?)

[Myth Buster]

How do you know what either party intends? Are you either of the named parties? Or are you in contact with either of these people?

I have already established elsewhere on this forum that I have been in communication with both parties.

[Myth Buster]

All in all, why do you care?

Because perhaps it's about time someone did care.

[Starrman]

Because perhaps it's about time someone did care.

About feuding vampire hunters? That has to be one of the least important things anyone has ever cared about.

Myth Buster - do you believe in vampires?

[Myth Buster]

About feuding vampire hunters? That has to be one of the least important things anyone has ever cared about. Myth Buster - do you believe in vampires?

I couldn't agree with you more. So why is it encouraged and allowed to contaminate so many forums? What I care about is a level playing field when these outbursts occur. I didn't like Saddam and all he stood for, but the invasion of his country by foreign powers, the amateurish and possibly illegal "trial" conducted by amateurs I also disliked, and the mockery of an execution which resembled a lynching I disliked.

The reason I feel Saddam was so quickly executed was to prevent the world learning of the collusion between him and the USA/UK and the latter's supply of weapons and/or their technology to use against Iran.

On these threads I see a similar smokescreen of hatred against one man who does not deny what he is and what he believes which threatens to hide the complicity of those who claim to be sceptics collaborating with those who subscribe to all manner of occult bunkum and using the latter's unsafe propaganda to score points.

Regarding your last question, none of these occult phenomena form part of any belief I hold.

[Ducky]

So Myth Buster doesn't believe in vampires, but trolls the internet looking to make sure that two fueding vampire hunters play fair?

You need to find yourself a girl mate.

[Paul]

I couldn't agree with you more.You seem terribly exercised by the whole affair for one who doesn't care.


So why is it encouraged and allowed to contaminate so many forums?You're not bothered but consider open discussion a contamination.


What I care about is a level playing field when these outbursts occur.Of course you do, that's why you always defend manchester.


I didn't like Saddam , and all he stood for, but ...snip... On these threads I see a similar smokescreen of hatred against one man who does not deny what he is and what he believes which threatens to hide the complicity of those who claim to be sceptics collaborating with those who subscribe to all manner of occult bunkum and using the latter's unsafe propaganda to score points.You honestly find any parallel between your Saddam CT and loony bishop Buffy Von Corpsebotherer?


Regarding your last question, none of these occult phenomena form part of any belief I hold.So why spend so much time spouting in defence of the aforementioned tight-trousered fraud?

[Cuddles]

Much as I hate to bring politics into this, it's about as interesting as the actual topic.

I couldn't agree with you more. So why is it encouraged and allowed to contaminate so many forums? What I care about is a level playing field when these outbursts occur. I didn't like Saddam and all he stood for, but the invasion of his country by foreign powers, the amateurish and possibly illegal "trial" conducted by amateurs I also disliked, and the mockery of an execution which resembled a lynching I disliked.

The trial was entirely legal and carried out by professionals. Whether it was a good idea or acceptable under human rights conventions are different matters, but claiming it was either illegal or amature shows a very obvious lack of understanding.

The reason I feel Saddam was so quickly executed was to prevent the world learning of the collusion between him and the USA/UK and the latter's supply of weapons and/or their technology to use against Iran.

There is nothing to hide. The world knows all about the collusion between Iraq and the west. The UK is famous for selling Iraq almost all their weapons, and of course we were terribly surprised when they used them against us rather than just lying down. The simple fact is that businesses try to make money and political allies change. At one point Iran was seen as a threat, so supporting Iraq was the obvious thing to do, then Iraq became a threat as well and what had seemed a good idea turned out to not be so clever after all. No conspiracies are needed.

On these threads I see a similar smokescreen of hatred against one man who does not deny what he is and what he believes which threatens to hide the complicity of those who claim to be sceptics collaborating with those who subscribe to all manner of occult bunkum and using the latter's unsafe propaganda to score points.

No you don't. We think you are all nuts, as has been said numerous times. We don't hate anyone, we just think he's an idiot. The threads discussing Manchester were started so that we could all have a good laugh at his insane beliefs, and so that someone could find ouy more information about him. The fact that some of that information comes from people he has a long running fued with is neither here nor there. The fact that they hold many beliefs that most of us here don't agree with is also irrelevant, although if they wish to discus those beliefs with us we will be quite happy to point out why they are silly, as has been done many times before. However it is general practice, and also more polite, to discuss different things in different threads, so trying to drag someone else's beliefs into a discussion of Manchester will not be allowed by most people here.

[Myth Buster]

You need to find yourself a girl mate.

Got one, thanks.

And you?

[Ducky]

Got one, thanks.

And you?

Happily married.


You didn't address the seemingly incongruous problem of you not believing any of this yet still showing up very shortly after Manchester himself emailed the JREF about these threads to make sure there is some sort of level playing field between two people you claim not to have any dealings with personally or professionally. Do you mean to maintain that you don't believe in any of this but decided to engage in a flame war on this forum just to right some percieved wrong in the way the thread was going? If you aren't Manchester, or not professionally or personally affiliated with him, why do you defend anything on either side of a feud that has lasted the better part of 40 years between people who deal in things you don't believe in?

[Myth Buster]

I am not "engaging in a flame war" - quite the contrary - I am being constantly flamed.

You seem to forget that I am a member just as you are a member. You are not accountable to me, nor I to you.

Whenever I contacted Manchester's people they were always courteous, polite and helpful. Questions I have privately put to Sean Manchester by email in the past have always met with a response.

All I have received from Farrant's people is copy and pasted propaganda which is patently contradictory and unresearched by the person sending it. Attempts to talk to David Farrant have always been met with no answer. I most recently tried to open up a line of communication yesterday morning. He did not reply.

[Clu]

Why do you feel that you're being 'flamed' :flamed:, isn't the discussion about Manchester and his claims?

[Ducky]

I am not "engaging in a flame war" - quite the contrary - I am being constantly flamed.

You seem to forget that I am a member just as you are a member. You are not accountable to me, nor I to you.

Whenever I contacted Manchester's people they were always courteous, polite and helpful. Questions I have privately put to Sean Manchester by email in the past have always met with a response.

All I have received from Farrant's people is copy and pasted propaganda which is patently contradictory and unresearched by the person sending it. Attempts to talk to David Farrant have always been met with no answer. I most recently tried to open up a line of communication yesterday morning. He did not reply.

I notice you didn't answer the question.


ETA:

As posted by me in another thread:

Myth Buster, could you perhaps shed some light on the seemingly incongruous statements of yours quoted below?

Myth Buster, could you perhaps shed some light on the seemingly incongruous statements of yours quoted below?

I hold no particular brief for any of the active parties.

I am no more connected to Sean Manchester than "The Vampire" is connected to David Farrant.

I was investigating the situation long before the thread on this forum and have had email and snail mail communication with various people from both sides, but not the main protagonists.

If you knew where my field of expertise lay you would better understand why my apparent grasp of the detail seems incredible. But that is privileged information.

No apology. And, furthermore, I have been asked by Sean Manchester's people to stay off this topic as a complaint is already under consideration within the terms of the Religious Hatred Act 2006, section 1, 29C 1 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/60001--b.htm).

It would, therefore, be inappropriate to further broach this matter.


I would like an answer to why you seem to be so time consumed with defending manchester when you don't agree with him, or have a personal or professional relationship with him as you have claimed. I also would like to have an answer as to why the above quoted statements seemingly contradict each other.

[Myth Buster]

I notice you didn't answer the question.


ETA:

As posted by me in another thread:




I would like an answer to why you seem to be so time consumed with defending manchester when you don't agree with him, or have a personal or professional relationship with him as you have claimed. I also would like to have an answer as to why the above quoted statements seemingly contradict each other.


Where is the contradiction? I cannot see one.

You might have to hurry because I have been threatened with a ban (subject to Darat reviewing two posts of mine that addressed with evidence falsehood posted by Farrant on the "David Farrant - Psychic investgator" thread).

[Ducky]

Where is the contradiction? I cannot see one.

You might have to hurry because I have been threatened with a ban (subject to Darat reviewing two posts of mine that addressed with evidence falsehood posted by Farrant on the "David Farrant - Psychic investgator" thread).

Perhaps if you didn't continue to threated people with prosecution under a UK religious hatred law or continue to post things that are appearing to be attacking people under a 30 year old feud you wouldn't have to face Darat's warnings. He was very clear about what he expected.

However you stated clearly that you are "no more connected to Manchester than The Vampire is to Ferrant" and that is demonstratably false if you are in communication with "his people" over these threads and the legality of them.

So I will directly ask again:

What is your connection to Manchester or his organization? What is the specific nature of your association with him? We're all very much tired of the canard that you fight on his behalf out of some righteous duty, and quite frankly no one here believes it. If you wish to have any measure of believability here, I would recommend you come clean about your connection to Manchester.

[Cuddles]

Edit : Bad comprehension by me. Please ignore this post. No, your still looking. Stop it. Read the next one, it's far more interesting.

[Ducky]

Care to respond at all Myth Buster? You've posted quite a bit in the other thread since this, how about responding to this?

[The Overseer]

Hi there folks,

I am The Overseer of Did a Wampyr Walk in Highgate?, a small MSN Groups forum. I can't post you the URL to it, because I haven't made my quota of 15 posts on this forum yet.

I am not an apologist for Manchester, but was previously a member of one of his forums, before my membership was revoked.

Why am I telling you all this? It relates to disclosure. You see, the first message in this topic was written by a member named "songstress", seemingly out of the blue and obviously a direct attack on Sean Manchester which, even read at surface level ("total 'kook'"), is quite apparent.

However, I find it curious that she neglects to mention that she is a member of the Highgate Vampire Society (I won't divulge her name, but her nickname appears on HVS-related sources as well). The HVS is presided over by one David Farrant.

You can read a brief sort of "correspondance" with songstress, if you will, on my forum (which you'll have to presently find on a search engine, I'm afraid), if you go to "Messages" on the main page, then "General" and go to the "To songstress (HVS Member): A Response" thread.

Also, she might care to divulge what she thinks of the alternative supernatural events cited by the President of the HVS as happening at Highgate Cemetery and weather or not she fully supports his testimony (as she was not present for the events herself). Especially in light of her referring to Manchester as a "total 'kook'".

Only fair to hear her view on both "sides" of the Case I'd say, if she wants to post something that could be easily be mistaken for a smear campaign.

You can read Farrant's version of events at Highgate at his home page (which you'll have to google, too). Go to the "Interviews" section in particular and, of course, feel free to read through anything else present on the site.

Form your own opinions.

[Big Les]

Hi Bish. You do realise that original post is eight months old, don't you?

[Rrose Selavy]

Yet another Sean Manchester Vampire Hunter thread rises mysteriously from the dead...

[The Overseer]

Hi Big Les and Rrose Selavy,

Rest assured, I am not Sean Manchester or anyone connected to him. I have disclosed my "role" in the matter in my previous post.

Feel free to check it out yourselves.

You should also have realised I wasn't him, as I highly doubt the Bishop would point you in the direction of Farrant's webpage...and encourage readers to browse through its contents!

While the original posting was quite a long time ago, the responses on the thread aren't so old - the last being from January 18th (prior to my own previous contribution).

Also, my post can hardly be irrelevant, as you saw fit to respond to a thread - as I have - that has been dormant for nearly 2 months. This suggests you've both been keeping an eye on it, possibly for further posts...or that you randomly stumbled across it, and decided to add your own two cents...however abstract they are from the actual content of what I wrote.

All the best.

[Rrose Selavy]

Hi Big Les and Rrose Selavy,

Rest assured, I am not Sean Manchester or anyone connected to him. I have disclosed my "role" in the matter in my previous post.

Feel free to check it out yourselves.

You should also have realised I wasn't him, as I highly doubt the Bishop would point you in the direction of Farrant's webpage...and encourage readers to browse through its contents!

While the original posting was quite a long time ago, the responses on the thread aren't so old - the last being from January 18th (prior to my own previous contribution).

Also, my post can hardly be irrelevant, as you saw fit to respond to a thread - as I have - that has been dormant for nearly 2 months. This suggests you've both been keeping an eye on it, possibly for further posts...or that you randomly stumbled across it, and decided to add your own two cents...however abstract they are from the actual content of what I wrote.

All the best.

The fact is you've , like Mythbuster have joined soley as a "neutral observer and seeker of truth", to resurrect a thread, add to another thread and in doing so revive the 35 year old feud for which two members have been banned .-

When we post to a thread we automatically get subscribed and notified of posts. maybe we should have ignored you.

However if you have any actual evidence of vampires walking the Earth, please feel free to post.

[Paul]

Also, my post can hardly be irrelevant, as you saw fit to respond to a thread - as I have - that has been dormant for nearly 2 months. This suggests you've both been keeping an eye on it, possibly for further posts...or that you randomly stumbled across it, and decided to add your own two cents...however abstract they are from the actual content of what I wrote.Or that, being subscribed to the thread, an automatic email was sent when your post was submitted. bugger!, too slow as usual!

[The Overseer]

Hi Rrose Selavy,

The thread was never quite dead, as your postings in turn reveal. I have not re-invoked a feud, because what I am stating is a simple fact of disclosure.

I am not arguing with anyone here, which would be even harder to do, as no-one has actually directly discussed any points in the post I contributed.

The fact is, I knew about the thread a while ago, and the original message, but have only recently gotten around to responding to it.

As to the Myth Buster association, I'm sure even songstress herself could refute it, as she would be aware of me from my own forum.

My post on this thread had nothing substantial to add to the existence of vampires (which wasn't the original topic), but more on the intent behind the purpose of starting this thread in the first place.

If you can refute the post which has ignited you into responding on this thread again, then feel free to do so.