9-11 Conspiracy La La From Rockstars

[baron_army]

This past Monday (July 17, 2006), Rasputina -- a cello-based band very popular in the alternative and Goth music crowd -- played here in Albany, NY.

Although I couldn't make the show due to work-related responsibilities, several of my friends did go and saw the entire set.

I was informed the following day that towards the end of the set, the lead-singer and primary song-writer, Meloria Creager made the claim that "Bush orchestrated 9-11 disaster" immediately before going into a song "inspired by a speech made by Osama Bin Laden". I have confirmed this occurance with 3 individuals. This show was sponsored by WAMC -- the local public radio station and it was held at their auditorium.

All of my friends were glad I wasn't in attendance that night. I would have made a stink and asked for proof and that sort of a thing wouldn't have been expected.

I wonder if Bush invented the form of "free fall" which supposedly is observed in the collapse. Furthermore, is it really his face -- and not Satan's -- which was "clearly" seen in the plumes of smoke.

While I wouldn't be surprized to hear this sort of uninformed bilge from high-school hardcore bands, I would never have expected it from a nationally touring outfit. I was curious if anyone else has heard any of this kind of conspiracy lunacy from other bands -- rock or otherwise.

[kookbreaker]

While I wouldn't be surprized to hear this sort of uninformed bilge from high-school hardcore bands, I would never have expected it from a nationally touring outfit. I was curious if anyone else has heard any of this kind of conspiracy lunacy from other bands -- rock or otherwise.

Well, Rage Against the Machine and Chumbawumba both gleefully support a guy who undeniably shot a cop in the back. (Mumia-ABu-Jamal). RAM happily repeated the debunked nonsense about Mumia's trial and the claims of a frame-job.

RAM also happily supported the claim that Leonard Peltier was a 'politcal prisoner'. Leonard of course took a few pot shots at some FBI agents, and was unlucky enough to be caught after his buddies and so couldn't get off on the nonsense they did.

There may be others, doubtless, but those are the ones I know about.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

This past Monday (July 17, 2006), Rasputina -- a cello-based band very popular in the alternative and Goth music crowd -- played here in Albany, NY.

Although I couldn't make the show due to work-related responsibilities, several of my friends did go and saw the entire set.

I was informed the following day that towards the end of the set, the lead-singer and primary song-writer, Meloria Creager made the claim that "Bush orchestrated 9-11 disaster" immediately before going into a song "inspired by a speech made by Osama Bin Laden". I have confirmed this occurance with 3 individuals. This show was sponsored by WAMC -- the local public radio station and it was held at their auditorium.

All of my friends were glad I wasn't in attendance that night. I would have made a stink and asked for proof and that sort of a thing wouldn't have been expected.

I wonder if Bush invented the form of "free fall" which supposedly is observed in the collapse. Furthermore, is it really his face -- and not Satan's -- which was "clearly" seen in the plumes of smoke.

While I wouldn't be surprized to hear this sort of uninformed bilge from high-school hardcore bands, I would never have expected it from a nationally touring outfit. I was curious if anyone else has heard any of this kind of conspiracy lunacy from other bands -- rock or otherwise.
This reminds me of a quote I first saw in one of the forum member's signatures (Sorry, I forget who it was):

"When I was a kid and my parents started talking about politics, I'd run to my room and put on the Rolling Stones as loud as I could. So when I see all these rock stars up there talking politics, it makes me sick. If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."
-Alice Cooper

I think that sums it up beautifully.

[kookbreaker]

Ooops. Wrong Thread.

[baron_army]

There may be others, doubtless, but those are the ones I know about.

I'm aware of those two examples. Rage and Chumbawumba were/are blatantly political bands with communist/anarchist leanings so the truth can be extremely irrelevant to them -- if it threatens their agenda. Rasputina, while being pretty "liberal" isn't really a political band -- at least not in my opinion.

I was thinking more of 9-11 conspiracy crap being spouted on stage.

I also wonder where they get their "information" (regardless of the conspiracy) and why are these people, at least seemingly, more gullable and willing to proclaim falsehoods as truth. Could they just be doing it to placate their audience or attract attention to themselves? G.G. Allen would threaten to kill himself on stage in an effort to draw a crowd. Could this be something like that?

[senorpogo]

"When I was a kid and my parents started talking about politics, I'd run to my room and put on the Rolling Stones as loud as I could. So when I see all these rock stars up there talking politics, it makes me sick. If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."
-Alice Cooper

I think that sums it up beautifully.

Amen. I've stopped listening to probably over two dozen bands in the last two years or so because of their non-stop desire to put politics, both left and right, into nearly everyone of their songs.

[kookbreaker]

Rasputina, while being pretty "liberal" isn't really a political band -- at least not in my opinion.


In all fairness, was Meloria being serious? She's kind of a wiseass on stage.

I like Rasputina, I really hope they don't go down that path.

[senorpogo]

While I wouldn't be surprized to hear this sort of uninformed bilge from high-school hardcore bands, I would never have expected it from a nationally touring outfit. I was curious if anyone else has heard any of this kind of conspiracy lunacy from other bands -- rock or otherwise.

One of the guys from Blink-182 buys into the 9/11 CTs.

[Pardalis]

I'm pretty sure the guys of Radiohead are rabbid CTers, especially Thom Yorke. That really bums me out, I really like their music. :(

[karim]

... At this rate the 911 CT is gonna become uncool pretty fast.

[baron_army]

In all fairness, was Meloria being serious? She's kind of a wiseass on stage.

I like Rasputina, I really hope they don't go down that path.

She is quite a wise-ass. I saw them in Northampton, MA a couple of years ago and she was letting fly with all sorts of off-the-cuff jokes/insults (most of which went over the heads of the college student crowd). However, I asked everyone if they thought she was being serious and everyone I've spoken to agrees that she was being serious. However, having not been there, I can't say that for certain. I can say that everyone who I asked about this also said I would have reacted very negatively to the statement -- leading me to believe she was being serious.

[kookbreaker]

She is quite a wise-ass. I saw them in Northampton, MA a couple of years ago and she was letting fly with all sorts of off-the-cuff jokes/insults (most of which went over the heads of the college student crowd). However, I asked everyone if they thought she was being serious and everyone I've spoken to agrees that she was being serious. However, having not been there, I can't say that for certain. I can say that everyone who I asked about this also said I would have reacted very negatively to the statement -- leading me to believe she was being serious.

I have to wonder, I just haven't really heard her say *anything* on stage that was meant to be taken seriously. She's even (in a small way) poked fun at conspiracy theories. She used to have a whole list of comments used on the stage. I'll take this with a grain of salt until I hear otherwise.

[baron_army]

I have to wonder, I just haven't really heard her say *anything* on stage that was meant to be taken seriously. She's even (in a small way) poked fun at conspiracy theories. She used to have a whole list of comments used on the stage. I'll take this with a grain of salt until I hear otherwise.

Whether or not it was meant as satire or to be mocking, the crowd took it seriously. I'm told they applauded and cheered the statement -- making my fairly level-headed friends uncomfortable.

[chipmunk stew]

Cake (http://www.cakemusic.com/news.html), too.

[kookbreaker]

Whether or not it was meant as satire or to be mocking, the crowd took it seriously. I'm told they applauded and cheered the statement -- making my fairly level-headed friends uncomfortable.

*Sigh!* (http://rasputina.com/newsbunny03.html)

Maybe she needs a little talk with Rodney! (http://www.rodneyanonymous.com)

[baron_army]

Cake, too.

Could you tell me where their reference is to the 9-11 bilge? That's a long page and I didn't see anything when I scanned through it.

[baron_army]

*Sigh!*

Maybe she needs a little talk with Rodney!

I find it funny he reviews one of their albums on his "What to Listen To" page (I can't put up links yet).

How We Quit The Forest is a CD that not only stands as a high-water mark in women's Rock, but also in human achievement. Screw Stonehenge and the not-so-Great Pyramid - we need to make sure that this CD lands in the claw-like hands of our six-eyed, semi-aquatic, descendents.

[kookbreaker]

I find it funny he reviews one of their albums on his "What to Listen To" page (I can't put up links yet).

How We Quit The Forest is a CD that not only stands as a high-water mark in women's Rock, but also in human achievement. Screw Stonehenge and the not-so-Great Pyramid - we need to make sure that this CD lands in the claw-like hands of our six-eyed, semi-aquatic, descendents.


Indeed. More importantly, Rodney is about as anit-conspiracy as you can get. Between Awww, Screw Mumia (http://www.rodneyanonymous.com/mumia.html) and his rant against students wearing Che shirts was also magnificent. But hey, this guy gave us the classic conspiracy mocking songs 'Stuart' and 'Peter Bazooka'. He's got a forum there, maybe you might bring this to his attention.

[Bronze Dog]

At least you won't find Ryan and me doing anything like this. (http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/06/appealtoridicule-20.html)

[chipmunk stew]

Could you tell me where their reference is to the 9-11 bilge? That's a long page and I didn't see anything when I scanned through it.I could've sworn I saw a link to the Loose Change video a while back. Perhaps not...I can't find it now.

But the Northwoods Document is on May 19, and there's an NWO paranoia piece on June 15.

Maybe they're not CTs, after all.

They appear to be knee-jerk leftists. Perhaps that's as far as they go.

[ktesibios]

Having "Operation the Cheese Stands Alone" suddenly recalled to my mind very nearly made me spew coffee all over Little Elvis. It's not nice to sneak up on a guy's sense of humor like that, Kookbreaker.

The tracking sessions for Stoney's Extra Stout (Pig) were the most fun I've ever had in the studio, and probably the most fun I've ever had while wearing clothes. ;)

[kookbreaker]

Having "Operation the Cheese Stands Alone" suddenly recalled to my mind very nearly made me spew coffee all over Little Elvis. It's not nice to sneak up on a guy's sense of humor like that, Kookbreaker.


That song and Stuart should be required listening for any Skeptic, period.

"They DON'T KNOW, what the QUEERS are DOING to the SOIL!"

[jon]

There may be others, doubtless, but those are the ones I know about.

Eminem, mos def etc. have done a '9/11 truth' track :( - http://www.911truthla.org/audio/binladen_djgreenlantern.mp3 and http://www.911truthla.org/ (btw, track does have swearing - shock :jaw-dropp - so don't play if you don't want swearing...and website plays an annoying voice talking at you - so don't go there is you don't want that...)

Track's not bad, either :rolleyes:

[gumboot]

While I wouldn't be surprized to hear this sort of uninformed bilge from high-school hardcore bands, I would never have expected it from a nationally touring outfit. I was curious if anyone else has heard any of this kind of conspiracy lunacy from other bands -- rock or otherwise.


I try very hard to avoid knowing the political stance of most filmmakers, actors, and musicians I like. I stick to their art. :)

It would be too disappointing otherwise. So many of them seem to be complete pratts in la la land who honestly think their little album will affect the next election or whatever.

Right.

So while I've never personally heard of groups that believed 9/11 CT stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if some of my favourite groups were revealed to be hardcore 9/11 CTers.

It's all a bit sad. I just stick my fingers in my ears and go "ne-na ne-na" until the song starts.

-Andrew

[R.Mackey]

Yup.

I also think you guys are taking this too hard. Let's just think, for a moment, how many of our favorite artists are paragons of virtue? How many musicians don't have personal lives haunted by drugs, thuggery, drugs, statutory rape, drugs, petty squabbling over release rights, drugs, or drugs? Not too many, at least in my record collection. Way less than half.

Isaac Hayes remains one of my all-time favorite artists. This is unblemished by the thought of him being in the thrall of L. Ron Hubbard (nothing less than a tragedy).

Play it again, Sam.

[joobie]

a) rasputina (who?) ain't rock stars by any stretch of the imagination.
b) who cares what the singer thinks? do you listen to music because of what the musicians believe or because you like their music? if the former, i feel very, very sorry for you.

[chipmunk stew]

Eminem, mos def etc. have done a '9/11 truth' track :( - http://www.911truthla.org/audio/binladen_djgreenlantern.mp3 and http://www.911truthla.org/ (btw, track does have swearing - shock :jaw-dropp - so don't play if you don't want swearing...and website plays an annoying voice talking at you - so don't go there is you don't want that...)

Track's not bad, either :rolleyes:
This is consistent with Immortal Technique's MO.
I think the Eminem bit is a sample. It's hard to say whether or not the Mos Def chorus is without seeing production credits.

"Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects"...uh, yeah, no s:)t...was there any project housing at the WTC?

"...so I'm strapped like Lee Malvo, holding the sniper rifle--these bullets will touch your kids..."
Charming.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

a) rasputina (who?) ain't rock stars by any stretch of the imagination.
b) who cares what the singer thinks? do you listen to music because of what the musicians believe or because you like their music? if the former, i feel very, very sorry for you.
OK, consider this scenario:
1) You really like this band
2) You spend a lot of your money on their concerts/albums
3) This band donates tons of money to Scientology
4) You hate Scientology

Are you not indirectly giving some of your money to Scientology? I don't lay awake at night wondering where money I spent is going, but at the same time I have a difficult time completely separating an artist from their beliefs. Especially when I'm giving this artist my money.

[chillzero]

a) rasputina (who?) ain't rock stars by any stretch of the imagination.
b) who cares what the singer thinks? do you listen to music because of what the musicians believe or because you like their music? if the former, i feel very, very sorry for you.

Well, this was my initial reaction as well, but I have to reconsider. Because - I'm a glam chick. Always was. Love Marc Bolan, Sweet, all that stuff.

I was a major Gary Glitter fan for many many many years. Top of my list, and his stage gigs were brilliant to attend.

Now, he makes me feel ill. I can't bear to even think about they joy he used to bring me. I detest him on a level that should be reserved for people known to me, and involved in my personal life, not complete strangers. I would never ever take any action that I thought would bring him any extra income, or give him comfort in thinking he had my support or good will.

So yes, sometimes we can alter our opinion of people we initially respect in one arena, due to their beliefs and/or actions.

[kookbreaker]

Same here, I enjoyed a few Chumbawumba songs and I would care what their basic politics are. Everyone has the right to their politcal opinions, even if I consider them silly.

However, when they started donating to the defense of Mumia Abu Jamal, a guy who shot a cop int he back and somehow became a cause du jour among the less clueful leftists I got offended. This guy shot a cop in my town, he shot him in the back and then in the face, and now some buckethead from overseas is going to give his defense more money to pump out lies in the media that they dare not use in court for fear of being laughed out of it? Sorry, but I get mad.

As things stand, I will likely still listen to Rasputina, since her comments seem closer to the border between LIHOP and MIHOP than anything loose change or the 'Scholars' have come up with. Maybe someday she'll get a clue. Hey, if Spielberg can say he thinks that UFOs are probably all nonsense, anything can happen.

[WildCat]

Feh. Goth is all about divorcing yourself from reality and living in a world of vampires, witches, warlocks and mythical evil beings of all sorts. Why not throw in another mythical evil beast - the shadow world gov't that brought down the WTC, killed Kennedy, controls the world's resources and basically micromanages every aspect of everyones life so efficiently that you don't even know it?

It's just another vampire in their world.

[baron_army]

Feh. Goth is all about divorcing yourself from reality and living in a world of vampires, witches, warlocks and mythical evil beings of all sorts. Why not throw in another mythical evil beast - the shadow world gov't that brought down the WTC, killed Kennedy, controls the world's resources and basically micromanages every aspect of everyones life so efficiently that you don't even know it?

It's just another vampire in their world.

I'll have to correct you here because I am a Goth. I've been one for quite some time. I'm also a Goth musician, a Goth DJ, and a webmaster for a Goth webpage. I'm active in the "scene" on a local and regional level and I've also participated in several national Goth events (Convergence, Gothcon, etc.). Furthermore, I've DJ'd internationally.

I'd also like to add that I am gainfully employed as a scientist in the New York State Department of Health, I'm a hardcore weightlifter, and I enjoy "normal" activies like ice fishing. Furthermore, I'm a Libertarian, Skeptic, and an Agnostic (relatively non-Goth attributes)

To say Goth is about divorcing oneself from reality is nothing more than an uneducated statement based in nothing more than stereotype. Goth is not about witches, worlocks, and "mythical evil beings of all sorts". It is a musically-based subculture. While some Goths may appreciate reading literature about these things, some don't -- the same as the rest of society. While some Goths may believe they are these things -- so does a portion of the rest of society. Being a subculture, Goth is a representative of its parent culture.

One could just as easily say you described "Dungeons and Dragons" or role players.

What separates Goth from the rest of society-at-large is it has a different set of aesthetics. A broad statement, yes, but a true one none the less. While it is true we like things a tad on the "morbid" or dark side (I, myself, have skulls decorating my apartment -- but I also collect antique cameras), I've known Goths of all walks of life from 60 to your basic high-school kid trying out things to annoy their parents. I know Librarians, Computer Programers, Electrical Engineers, other Scientists, Social Workers, Nurses, Florists, and many other professions.

To imply we, because we enjoy a different type of music and may dress differently than the rest of you, are stuck in some woo woo land of escapist make-believe is nothing more than insulting. Furthermore, it adequately demonstrates your ignorance in the subject. May I suggest you pick up Goth: Identity, Style and Subculture (Dress, Body, Culture) by Paul Hodkinson at your local library. It is not one of those pulpy nonsense manuals one find out there on "how to be Goth". Instead, it is a sociological work which addresses a number of the different aspect of this subculture. I'm certain you'll be pleasently surprized by how "normal" Goths (and other subcultures for that matter) are.

[baron_army]

a) rasputina (who?) ain't rock stars by any stretch of the imagination.
b) who cares what the singer thinks? do you listen to music because of what the musicians believe or because you like their music? if the former, i feel very, very sorry for you.

This comment reminds me of a conversation my girlfriend and I had the other day while driving home from dinner.

We some how had gotten on the subject of "extremist" attitudes and beliefs. She had commented on how she doesn't like people who hold belief so strongly (even if they are in agreement with her beliefs -- whether it be about the war in Iraq or dietary guidlines) that they alienate all others who disagree with them.

During the course of our conversation, I told her the one thing that pisses me off is the sort of evangelical, shove-it-down-your-throat absolutism these people take part in. I like making up my own mind. I like weighing the pro and cons and the various bits of evidence. When these people tell me how to think, they are trying to eliminate my free will.

Meloria Creager, by spouting her non-sense, was in effect negating the people in the audiences ability to make up their own minds. She wasn't telling them she thought Bush was responsible for 9-11 -- she was, in effect, telling them she knew he was responsible. No evidence. No discussion. She was preaching.

Some people may like that. But I certainly don't. Especially somewhere I was expecting to be entertained.

You are correct, she is only an entertainer but a lot of people don't recognize the fact that she is not an expert on middle-east relations or what have you.

[baron_army]

... At this rate the 911 CT is gonna become uncool pretty fast.

One would hope but look where the JFK CT's are. This thing will never go away.

[Overman]

While I wouldn't be surprized to hear this sort of uninformed bilge from high-school hardcore bands, I would never have expected it from a nationally touring outfit. I was curious if anyone else has heard any of this kind of conspiracy lunacy from other bands -- rock or otherwise.

Are you kidding?!?

In order to get a record deal you have to be really lucky and a really good musician. Either that or really marketable. Not one of those categories has anything to do with critical thinking.

Nixon used an astrologer. WTF!?

[60hzxtl]

Being a singer, or an actor does not provide you with more wisdom about ANY subject. Always kep in mind that someone else writes the line that comes out of an actor's mouth, be it John Wayne or Sean Penn.

When you are on stage, the audience has already gathered, so you blubber out anything that is in your otherwise empty head, and listen for the approval.

Better to tell the future with a barometer, than a performer.

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

Are you kidding?!?

In order to get a record deal you have to be really lucky and a really good musician. Either that or really marketable. Not one of those categories has anything to do with critical thinking.

Nixon used an astrologer. WTF!?
I'll take that even a step further, and say that the average Rock Star is probably less intelligent than the average Joe on the street.

Most of the biggest musicians in the world worked for years and years touring in a van night after night for next to no money, in terrible working conditions, for a one in a million shot to actually become famous. Doesn't sound too smart to me.

I don't find the prevalence for woo in the entertainment industry surprising at all.

[valis]

OK, consider this scenario:
1) You really like this band
2) You spend a lot of your money on their concerts/albums
3) This band donates tons of money to Scientology
4) You hate Scientology

Are you not indirectly giving some of your money to Scientology? I don't lay awake at night wondering where money I spent is going, but at the same time I have a difficult time completely separating an artist from their beliefs. Especially when I'm giving this artist my money.

Actually that describes something that happened to me. Beck is my favorite pop star type person and at one point I find out he is a Scientologist. I don't know how much money he does or does not give them but I figure it's pointless to worry about, it's like me trying to hate Futurama because Al Gore was on it. If you examine everything through a lens of 'does it meet my ideology' you can make a case that no entertainment is worthy of your attention. And you end up as a bitter old idealog.

Edit to add:
Yo soy un disco quebrado
Yo tengo chicle en el cerebro

[baron_army]

I've found footage of the song before which Meloria made the claim "Irrefutable proof that George W. Bush did indeed orchestrate the disasterous attacks of Sept. 11"

I can't post links yet so you'll need to go to YouTube.com and do a search on "Rasputina Albany". You'll find three songs and the one I'm referring to is called "Yellow Cake". I Googled for the "Yellow Cake" lyrics but haven't been able to find anything.

Unfortunately, the bootlegger didn't catch her making that statement. However, the song does appear to be full of all sorts of woo (from what I can make out). Judging from what they wrote, Meloria was stating the song itself was the proof of Bush's involvement.

[baron_army]

I just found these lyrics for "Yellow Cake" on the Rasputina Forum. I guess there had been some discussion about what the lyrics actually are.

I've cut and pasted this from the site -- which I found by Googling "Raputina Lyrics Yellow Cake":

Smoke rises from a[n]ice factory on the edge,
On the edge of the city that exists in perpetual gloom.
I snatch a note from the basket of a passing bicycle.
It says, 'Come to the power factory;
There's something waiting there for you.'
Under the windows covered by curtains all lacy & spattered with blood
We find crutches in the corner and bullets on the shelves,
Which I dismiss at once as being equivalent,
Irrelevant, in and of themselves.

Oh, won't you be there with me for it, tonight?
In this hut-to-hut witch hunt
Down the tunnels of old yellow cake?
And all the souls in the city drowning past our light
It's a choice you make
It's a fierce fire fight
It's a new mistake

cell0

Inside of the room there's a cage
There's a cage and it's made out of chain/tin & glass
It's about 40 feet high & 3 feet wide
And it was meant/made to last
It's against a brick wall in the old muddy corner of a basement tunnel room
There's a man in the cage in the old muddy corner
He's asleep, but he'll wake up soon.

[Big Les]

Muse, or at least Matt Bellamy, is very into CT rubbish, as evidenced by interviews and the lyrics to a track on the new album:

NB "zetas" are aliens!

Exo-Politics
Open the skies over me
I am waiting patiently
I'll wait for a sign
As conspiracies unwind
Will you slam shut or free your mind
Or stay hypnotised?

When the Zetas fill the skies
Will our leaders tell us why?
Fully loaded satellites
Will conquer nothing but our minds!

Well I'm waiting patiently
Well I'll wait for the sign

Carried through the centuries
Secrets locked up
And loaded on my back
Well it weighs me down...

When the Zetas fill the skies
It's just our leaders in disguise!
Fully loaded satellites
Will conquer nothing but our minds!

Well I'm waiting patiently
Well I'll wait for the sign
Well I'm waiting patiently
But I'll wait for the sign


PS Undesirable qualities in a band's members will not make me stop listening to their work.

[Meffy]

Let's just think, for a moment, how many of our favorite artists are paragons of virtue?
One of my favorite musicians is named Mackey, as it happens, and he's from SoCal too. :-D

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that kookbreaker's Rodney Anonymous isn't the same as our own dear Rodney all-too-nymous... Do I win a chocolate cigar? =^_^=

[Ripley Twenty-Nine]

One of my favorite musicians is named Mackey, as it happens, and he's from SoCal too. :-D

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that kookbreaker's Rodney Anonymous isn't the same as our own dear Rodney all-too-nymous... Do I win a chocolate cigar? =^_^=
Heh. I went to the Rodney Anonymous site thinking the same thing. Took me about 30 seconds to realize that he is more like Bizarro JREF Rodney.

[kookbreaker]

Heh. I went to the Rodney Anonymous site thinking the same thing. Took me about 30 seconds to realize that he is more like Bizarro JREF Rodney.

Yah. Rodney A is a big fan of Randi too. Interviewed Randi for his radio show at least once, made up the 'Hope you fell better than Sylvia Brown looks' card when Randi was in the Hospital, and much more.

I've met the man and he is hilarious. Rodney Anonymous would make a good TAM speaker, I think.

[Big Les]

Hope it's OK to resurrect this one; this isn't worth its own thread but is of relevance to this topic and of interest to any fellow Muse fans out there:

Linky, actually found at the LC forums. (http://invictus.softmeg.com/index.php?m=single&id=2132)

Needless to say it won't stop me enjoying their music, but any personal respect I had for the guy is now gone. He's just a talented yokel with a tin-foil hat.

[Muckar-duva]

I THINK Chumbawamba, speaking of them, are being sarcastic about CTers here:
EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG
Taking scissors to play cut up with the black vote down in Florida;
coloured pens and glitter glue for sexing up the dossier.
I'm the someone who knew something they're not telling pre-September.
I lean on people in the loop to help them un-remember.

I was flying on UA 93: that shadow in the footage - it was probably me.
You think I'm little more than a lie,
but you wouldn't stand near me if you didn't want to die.

Everything you know is wrong.
There's a line missing out of this song.
Everything you know is wrong, wrong, wrong.

In the canteen at Columbine with the bags they never found;
striking matches up at Waco when they burnt it to the ground.
Without me, Oklahoma wasn't possible at all -
see my silhouette in the Super 8 around the grassy knoll.

I was there when they landed on the moon (in a studio in Kentucky in June).
I've got Kennedy's brain in a jar. If you knew what I knew you wouldn't laugh so hard.


I was in Paris in the underpass.
I'm the FO-sponsored supergrass.
I'm Charlie Thrush in Minnesota, and I smuggled hep across the border.
Stole Danny Casolaro's memoirs; put the acid in the reservoirs.
I'm Ron Brown's body on a T-43 - and I hid those missing WMD's.

[geggy]

Understanding oil by serj tankian of system of a down, 9/13/01 (http://wrestlingcasa.tripod.com/systemofadown/id174.html)

He thought Osama was responsible but blames the US's foreign policy for the 9/11 attack. Don't know his current view on the attack and whether he think the bush administration was behind it. Have not read any of their lyrics in a while.

And don't forget ministry's "lies lies lies", lyrics which is almost similiar to the song from early 90's, stigmata.

[NoZed Avenger]

Oh sure, you sheeple may have all the "scientists" and "engineers" and "evidence," but we who know the TRVTH have more and more band members every day.

Take THAT!

[Peephole]

Eminem, mos def etc. have done a '9/11 truth' track :( - http://www.911truthla.org/audio/binladen_djgreenlantern.mp3 and http://www.911truthla.org/ (btw, track does have swearing - shock :jaw-dropp - so don't play if you don't want swearing...and website plays an annoying voice talking at you - so don't go there is you don't want that...)

Track's not bad, either :rolleyes:
I think the chorus shouldn't be taken too literally.

[Mos Def - talking]
Man, you hear this ******** they be talkin'
Every day, man
It's like these ***************** is just like professional liars
YouknowwhatI'msayin? It's wild
Listen

[Hook - Mos Def]
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, *****
Tell the truth, *****
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, *****
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, *****

Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects
It was you, *****
Tell the truth, *****
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]
Tell the truth, *****
(Bush knocked down the towers)--[Jadakiss]

[Verse 1 - Immortal Technique]
I pledge no allegiance, ***** **** the president's speeches
I'm baptized by America and covered in leeches
The dirty water that bleaches your soul and your facial features
Drownin' you in propaganda that they spit through the speakers
And if you speak about the evil that the government does
The Patriot Act'll track you to the type of your blood
They try to frame you, and say you was tryna sell drugs
And throw a federal indictment on niggaz to show you love
This **** is run by fake Christians, fake politicians
Look at they mansions, then look at the conditions you live in
All they talk about is terrorism on television
They tell you to listen, but they don't really tell you they mission
They funded Al-Qaeda, and now they blame the Muslim religion
Even though Bin Laden, was a CIA tactician
They gave him billions of dollars, and they funded his purpose
Fahrenheit 9/11, that's just scratchin' the surface

[Hook]

[Verse 2 - Immortal Technique]
They say the rebels in Iraq still fight for Saddam
But that's ********, I'll show you why it's totally wrong
Cuz if another country invaded the hood tonight
It'd be warfare through Harlem, and Washington Heights
I wouldn't be fightin' for Bush or White America's dream
I'd be fightin' for my people's survival and self-esteem
I wouldn't fight for racist churches from the south, my *****
I'd be fightin' to keep the occupation out, my *****
You ever clock someone who talk ****, or look at you wrong?
Imagine if they shot at you, and was rapin' your moms
And of course Saddam Hussein had chemical weapons
We sold him that ****, after Ronald Reagan's election
Mercenary contractors fightin' a new era
Corporate military bankin' off the war on terror
They controllin' the ghetto, with the failed attack
Tryna distract the fact that they engineerin' the crack
So I'm strapped like Lee Malvo holdin' a sniper rifle
These bullets'll touch your kids, and I don't mean like Michael
Your body be sent to the morgue, stripped down and recycled
I fire on house niggaz that support you and like you
Cuz innocent people get murdered in the struggle daily
And poor people never get **** and struggle daily
This ain't no alien conspiracy theory, this **** is real
Written on the dollar underneath the Masonic seal

(I don't rap for dead presidents
I'd rather see the president dead
It's never been said but I set precedents)--[Eminem]

[Hook]

(Shady Records was 80 seconds away from the towers
Some cowards ********** with the wrong building, they meant to hit ours)-- [Eminem]

[Redtail]

I think the chorus shouldn't be taken too literally.


Yeah it sounds like a mix tape track.

[Brainster]

There's a line in the South Park episode where Cartman sings:

"But I'm like Charlie Sheen and Gloria Estefan, I need to know what really happened on 9-11".

Anybody know if Gloria's really a Denier?

[Polaris]

Yup.

I also think you guys are taking this too hard. Let's just think, for a moment, how many of our favorite artists are paragons of virtue? How many musicians don't have personal lives haunted by drugs, thuggery, drugs, statutory rape, drugs, petty squabbling over release rights, drugs, or drugs? Not too many, at least in my record collection. Way less than half.

Isaac Hayes remains one of my all-time favorite artists. This is unblemished by the thought of him being in the thrall of L. Ron Hubbard (nothing less than a tragedy).

Play it again, Sam.

The drugs just make them better musicians. I will stop listening to a band if they go down a religious or political road, because generally they don't have the education to know what they're talking about, and I don't listen to music to be preached to.

I think Live is going down the Christian road, which is a damn shame. And I'll never listen to Cat Stevens (I'm not gonna use his silly play-time name) or pay for Metallica.

[Dog Town]

Anybody know if Gloria's really a Denier?

Considering, how much she would love to see the US off the big "C"...
I doubt it! She could be bitter, for the lost chances though!

[Lord Tsukasa]

Anyone who uses the term "9/11 denier" can't be described as anything other than a complete and total moron. Good way to identify idiots.

[Thunder]

Anyone who uses the term "9/11 denier" can't be described as anything other than a complete and total moron. Good way to identify idiots.

um....9-11 Truthers ARE 9-11 Deniers. for they deny the truth about what happened on 9-11.

[Profanz]

Well now. How is this telling everyone to sit down and shut up about 9/11 working out for you guys? It' s just getting bigger. Don't you remember how big JFK conspiracy was after 20 years? It was a blockbuster movie. No one knows to this day who killed JFK. Take a poll if you don't believe me. Some people pretend to know. But there is no way they could know. 9/11? Man this is a whole different animal. Straight to the top like a bullet. It's not going away.

[beachnut]

Well now. How is this telling everyone to sit down and shut up about 9/11 working out for you guys? It' s just getting bigger. Don't you remember how big JFK conspiracy was after 20 years? It was a blockbuster movie. No one knows to this day who killed JFK. Take a poll if you don't believe me. Some people pretend to know. But there is no way they could know. 9/11? Man this is a whole different animal. Straight to the top like a bullet. It's not going away.
No surprise you can't figure out JFK; 45 years of combined failure in logical thinking and posts filled with evidence, all the evidence found in the 911 truth movement.

The poor rock star spews delusions too. Anti-intellectual claptrap

[Brainache]

Well now. How is this telling everyone to sit down and shut up about 9/11 working out for you guys? It' s just getting bigger. Don't you remember how big JFK conspiracy was after 20 years? It was a blockbuster movie. No one knows to this day who killed JFK. Take a poll if you don't believe me. Some people pretend to know. But there is no way they could know. 9/11? Man this is a whole different animal. Straight to the top like a bullet. It's not going away.

I think you are right in a way. Stupidity, ignorance and arrogance have always been with us and they are likely to stay with us.

Good luck trying to convince anyone who doesn't fit in those catagories tho'.

[Harpo]

Muse, or at least Matt Bellamy, is very into CT rubbish, as evidenced by interviews and the lyrics to a track on the new album:

Crappy lyrics, etc

PS Undesirable qualities in a band's members will not make me stop listening to their work.

I was lucky enough to attend the Music Producers Guild awards last week in London and unfortunately Matt Bellamy was there too.

He really is an odious, rat-faced little sh*t "in real life" - highly unlikeable. With, as my son so delicately (and paraphrasing Orwell rather well) put it, "a face you'd love to stamp on......forever".

Crap music too - a Queen tribute act if ever I've seen one.

[Don_Anonimo]

Back when I was a conspiracy theorists I took these three groups words like a rule book: Muse, Immortal Technique and Los Niños Estelares. The latter is extremely open about it and are sadly getting a pretty big fan base no thanks to you tube and Facebook. I end up debating with their fans on their facebook page and man is it frustrating :mad: Immortal Technique is extremely popular in conspiracy theorist circles as probably most of you know.

[mythstifieD]

This reminds me of a quote I first saw in one of the forum member's signatures (Sorry, I forget who it was):

"When I was a kid and my parents started talking about politics, I'd run to my room and put on the Rolling Stones as loud as I could. So when I see all these rock stars up there talking politics, it makes me sick. If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."
-Alice Cooper

I think that sums it up beautifully.

Right. One quote from a drugged up washed up rocker effectively proves a mass-generalization of an entire industry of artists. They're all idiotic, lazy, know-nothings. Yeah, even the ones who non-stop talk about politics have no right to an opinion about politics. All their songs are junk. Lol, that's absolutely retarded. Sometimes they make great political points, John Lennon anyone?

Give me a break. :cool:

[sadhatter]

This reminds me of a quote I first saw in one of the forum member's signatures (Sorry, I forget who it was):

"When I was a kid and my parents started talking about politics, I'd run to my room and put on the Rolling Stones as loud as I could. So when I see all these rock stars up there talking politics, it makes me sick. If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal."
-Alice Cooper

I think that sums it up beautifully.

As a starving actor/musician i agree with that 100%. Neither profession gives you any useable skills beyond the ability to act and make music. And people having their opinion swayed by Charlie Sheen or Rasputina , is just silly.

[Brainster]

The latest hit single from a 9-11 Troofer:
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[TSR]

.
If one ignores the lyrics, it's kinda catchy in an 80's dance pop kinda way

But d*mn, child: wash your hair!
.

[Don_Anonimo]

lol Oh man that hook will get that song in the charts! Sing it boys!

But the lyrics sure are a headache.

[BobHaulk]

Amen. I've stopped listening to probably over two dozen bands in the last two years or so because of their non-stop desire to put politics, both left and right, into nearly everyone of their songs.

let's see, some numpty on a forum is allowed an opinion on politics but not a musician

[cornsail]

I'm pretty sure the guys of Radiohead are rabbid CTers, especially Thom Yorke. That really bums me out, I really like their music. :(

Based on what?

[Brainster]

Jim Corr of the Corrs:

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[Don_Anonimo]

Jim Corr of the Corrs:

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Haha this guy is a riot. Almost everything he said is info that any CT can get by watching Zeitgeist and a few videos on YouTube.

Great "research" on his part...

[Rogue1stclass]

For the record, the band Lynard Skynard produced a blatantly anti-handgun song called "Saturday Night Special". To this day, this song is a staple of Classic Rock stations, one of a handful of Skynard songs that has been in somewhat heavy rotation for 30 years.

However, I don't think a whole lot of Skynard fans are lining up to support gun control.

I wouldn't worry about Truther bands. If a legendary rock band like Lynard Skynard can't change minds with its message, I'm not sure anyone can.

[Lord Tsukasa]

Based on what?

Hey Pardalis,

I'm glad their truthers. Haaahahahaaaaaa

[Don_Anonimo]

I wouldn't worry about Truther bands. If a legendary rock band like Lynard Skynard can't change minds with its message, I'm not sure anyone can.

I wish you were right, but honestly from experience, some people (including myself) can be easily swayed to believe something because someone made a song about it.

The band I have mentioned: Los Niños Estelares has been gaining ground on Youtube; mostly from conspiracy theorists who are just re-affirming their believes by listening to their music. The same with Immortal Technique, except his fame is more wide spread out the internet. Bands and artists like this can be the tipping point for someone to just believe CTs. And they are also hubs for CTrs to re-affirm their believes and keep on spreading the nonsense. Since rarely does anyone actually look into the claims made in the songs and they are also very undeveloped claims backed usually by no evidence.

I think thats a problem.

Hey Pardalis,

I'm glad their truthers. Haaahahahaaaaaa


I would like to know based on what is Radiohead a truther band.

[bynmdsue]

For the record, the band Lynard Skynard produced a blatantly anti-handgun song called "Saturday Night Special". To this day, this song is a staple of Classic Rock stations, one of a handful of Skynard songs that has been in somewhat heavy rotation for 30 years.

However, I don't think a whole lot of Skynard fans are lining up to support gun control.



The racist ones might.

The Sat.Night Spec. linguistically is derived from The N-wordtown Saturday Night Special.

Gun control meant to disarm blacks.

[Don_Anonimo]

I wish you were right, but honestly from experience, some people (including myself) can be easily swayed to believe something because someone made a song about it.


Woops. I meant including myself when I used to be a hardcore CTs. Not at the present; that should make my point easier.