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andyandy
25th July 2006, 07:09 AM
The most ridiculous terror trial to date.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5176382.stm

Three men have been cleared of trying to procure the raw ingredients for a "dirty bomb" which the prosecution claimed could have devastated a British city if it fell into the hands of terrorists. But mystery surrounds the material at the centre of the plot. So what exactly is red mercury?

The most bizarre aspect of the trial of Abdurahman Kanyare and his two co-defendants was the fact that no-one in the court could be certain whether the terrifying substance on which the entire prosecution case was based actually existed.

The prosecutor, Mark Ellison, admitted the police had no idea if there even was such a thing as red mercury - supposedly the main ingredient for a "dirty bomb" which could have devastated London.

But he told the jury at the outset: "The Crown's position is that whether red mercury does or does not exist is irrelevant."

He warned the jury not to get "hung up" on whether red mercury actually existed at all.

The men were on trial for attempting to buy something which doesn't appear to exist - and of which there is no definition :)

The trial heard that when detectives checked Dominick Martins' computer after his arrest they found evidence that he had been scouring the internet trying to find out about red mercury.

He was particularly interested by an article, by Dr Anne Marie Helmenstine, which was posted on the About.com website.

The article aired the various theories about what red mercury is without confirming whether or not it really existed at all.

The five main theories are:


That red mercury is a reference to cinnabar, a naturally-occurring mercuric sulphide. The red pigment derived from cinnabar is known as vermillion.

That it is a reference to the alpha crystalline form of mercury iodide, which changes to a yellow colour at very high temperatures.

That it is simply referring to any mercury compound originating from the former Soviet Union. The 'red' tag would simply be a legacy of the Cold War era.

That it is a ballotechnic mercury compound which just happens to be red in colour. Ballotechnics are substances which react very energetically when subjected to shock compression at high pressure. They include mercury antimony oxide which, according to some reports, is a cherry red semi-liquid produced in Russian nuclear reactors. This theory contends that it is so explosive that a fusion reaction - a nuclear explosion - can be triggered even without fissionable material such as uranium.

That it is a military codeword for a new nuclear material, probably manufactured in Russia.

drkitten
25th July 2006, 07:13 AM
The most ridiculous terror trial to date.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5176382.stm


The men were on trial for attempting to buy something which doesn't appear to exist - and of which there is no definition :)

Seems reasonable. Lots of people have been on trial for attempting to sell something that doesn't appear to exist -- and of which there is no definition.

As always, the key is "intention." If I telephone you and say that I want to buy some "Illudium Pu-38 Explosive Space Modulator" because I intend to blow up Paris -- I'm rather obviously a dangerous nutcase involved in a conspiracy to commit violent crimes. That I'm also rather obviously incompetent at it doesn't mean I'm not dangerous. What happens if the best I can do is to get my hands on Semtex or Sarin?

andyandy
25th July 2006, 07:37 AM
That I'm also rather obviously incompetent at it doesn't mean I'm not dangerous.
true.....but if that's the standard of the terror threat then i think we can all sleep a little easier in our beds :)

i'm surprised it went to court though - the defense was always going to have a pretty strong case - ie. "look you don't know what red mercury is we don't know what red mercury is, so what are our clients guilty of? They thought red mercury was (make up definition) and wanted it for (make up reason)....."

Bikewer
25th July 2006, 07:43 AM
Kind of like the fellows arrested down in Florida. "We'd like to blow up some buildings."
FBI undercover guy: "OK, what do you need?"

"Uh, some uniforms would be nice.."

drkitten
25th July 2006, 07:46 AM
Kind of like the fellows arrested down in Florida. "We'd like to blow up some buildings."
FBI undercover guy: "OK, what do you need?"

"Uh, some uniforms would be nice.."

Hadn't heard about this case. Care to provide the slightly less Cliff notes version?

Darat
25th July 2006, 07:51 AM
Hmmm should I worry? I just read this:

The trial heard that when detectives checked Dominick Martins' computer after his arrest they found evidence that he had been scouring the internet trying to find out about red mercury.

I've just been doing some searches....

Luke T.
25th July 2006, 08:13 AM
The most ridiculous terror trial to date.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5176382.stm
The article aired the various theories about what red mercury is without confirming whether or not it really existed at all.

I have a theory about what red mercury is, too.

There's this planet, see, much closer to the Sun than we are. I cannot confirm whether or not it really exists, or how effective it would be in destroying British cities. I haven't got past the transport problem yet.

Luke T.
25th July 2006, 08:19 AM
Hmmm should I worry? I just read this:

The trial heard that when detectives checked Dominick Martins' computer after his arrest they found evidence that he had been scouring the internet trying to find out about red mercury.

I've just been doing some searches....

Uh oh. I've been googling "Bruce friar ass video."

Darat
25th July 2006, 08:24 AM
Can you imagine for us who post in this section that try to do some research and provide links for our opinions and claims what our search histories would be like?

Mine today would include Hezbollah, red mercury, fallout Iran Pakistan India, bush, Muslim, suicide bombers, names of known terrorists...

andyandy
25th July 2006, 08:28 AM
Can you imagine for us who post in this section that try to do some research and provide links for our opinions and claims what our search histories would be like?

Mine today would include Hezbollah, red mercury, fallout Iran Pakistan India, bush, Muslim, suicide bombers, names of known terrorists...

i'm gonna tip off the news of the world.....
:D

Darat
25th July 2006, 08:35 AM
i'm gonna tip off the news of the world.....
:D

I've never been so insulted - I consider myself to be slightly more intelligent then a member of the royal family..

hold on a second there is someone at the door....

...what a coincidence there's a Sheik from Arabianland who can help me get information about red mercury from Hezbollah!

andyandy
25th July 2006, 08:43 AM
I've never been so insulted - I consider myself to be slightly more intelligent then a member of the royal family..

hold on a second there is someone at the door....

...what a coincidence there's a Sheik from Arabianland who can help me get information about red mercury from Hezbollah!

lol :D

Luke T.
25th July 2006, 08:51 AM
You can buy Red Mercury on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercury-Cougar-COUPE-2-5L-02-RED-2DR-5-SPEED-MANUAL-V6-CD-CHANGER-SUNROOF-TX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6339QQihZ009QQitemZ1 90011476465QQrdZ1)!

Luke T.
25th July 2006, 08:52 AM
Okay. For real. You can buy red mercury on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Red-Mineral-Cinnabar-Mercury-Sulfide-Nevada_W0QQitemZ110010839022QQihZ001QQcategoryZ322 5QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).

Luke T.
25th July 2006, 08:55 AM
I think these guys have been playing too many video games.

Red Mercury: The Threat Is Real (http://www.atari.com/us/games/shadow_ops_red_mercury/dvd_rom)

The Threat Is Real

Compact nuclear weapons, or "backpack nukes," have been the subject of recent Internet rumor and government investigation. Now, the rumors are true, the risk is high, and the threat is real.

You are Frank Hayden, an elite military operative chasing a weapon of unspeakable destruction. From chaotic Syrian streets to the hellish jungles of the Congo, amid action and tension to rival any blockbuster Hollywood thriller, you must track down and disarm a device known only as Red Mercury.

The clock is ticking...

Skeptic
25th July 2006, 09:17 AM
Hmmm should I worry? I just read this:

The trial heard that when detectives checked Dominick Martins' computer after his arrest they found evidence that he had been scouring the internet trying to find out about red mercury.

I've just been doing some searches....

I'll tell you this. I sure as heck won't want the FBI to look at the searches I did on my computer.

ETA: Without checking: how much do you want to bet that "Red mercury" will get you some porn site with "Mercury" being a (natural) redhead?

ETA(2): No such luck. Strange. Usually, porn sites come up no matter what you enter into google...

Cheesejoff
25th July 2006, 10:01 AM
ETA: Without checking: how much do you want to bet that "Red mercury" will get you some porn site with "Mercury" being a (natural) redhead?

ETA(2): No such luck. Strange. Usually, porn sites come up no matter what you enter into google...

Must be an error in the google servers.


So this arrest...means if someone tried to, say, buy a deathstar they'd be arrested?

Skeptic
25th July 2006, 10:02 AM
Must be an error in the google servers.


So this arrest...means if someone tried to, say, buy a deathstar they'd be arrested?

For terrorism, or for being a "Star Wars" junkie? Now that should be illegal.