Incredible russian Martial Arts...

[asmodean]

Maybe this is an old onem, but I find it hilarious:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=827877829185720919&q=martial+art

But seriously. This can not be for real, can it? Please tell me it's an elaborate joke...

[TimmyBerry]

Looks like staged combat. If you notice, the main guy isn't touching his opponents half the time.

[KingMerv00]

Maybe this is an old onem, but I find it hilarious:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=827877829185720919&q=martial+art

But seriously. This can not be for real, can it? Please tell me it's an elaborate joke...

I'm pretty sure it is no joke.

When I was in college, I had to choreograph a couple martial art fight scenes. I went around campus looking for people who had a base understanding of martial arts safety and technique. I eventually found the Aikido club. The class had a fairly rigid structure and it seemed there was implied consent that no resistance should be given as techniques were performed. The video mirrors what I saw in that class. There is a fine line between no resistance and falling down when some guy points at you.

[Psiload]

Maybe this is an old onem, but I find it hilarious:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=827877829185720919&q=martial+art

But seriously. This can not be for real, can it? Please tell me it's an elaborate joke...

I think they're serious...

http://www.russianmartialart.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=50

First Dillman, and now this clown. :rolleyes:

[KingMerv00]

Looks like staged combat. If you notice, the main guy isn't touching his opponents half the time.

It is staged but did you see the end of the video? It says "beyond the physical" and the teacher appears to be using chi power.

[Gravy]

It's quite real, and quite serious. Black Sea resort areas have been overrun by violent youth gangs who get their sadistic kicks by somersaulting on the asses of obese sunbathers.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/879044ca11f1c723f.jpg

[Psiload]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehost/879044ca11f1c723f.jpg

Hey! How come the guy's head is in contact with "The Master's" ass? In all the other videos the attackers are deflected before they even make contact. Have we found his weak spot? An Achilles Ass perhaps?

[Wudang]

Hey! How come the guy's head is in contact with "The Master's" ass?
Different styles have different ways for the student to show respect to the teacher.

[Thitical Crinker]

I'd love to see this joker in the UFC.

[KingMerv00]

I'd love to see this joker in the UFC.

He'd get there and he'd find out what "UFC" really stood for:
Useless F:D king Chi

[T'ai Chi]

I'd love to see this joker in the UFC.

He doesn't have the prerequesites:

1) no bad*** nickname
2) no funky hairstyle
3) no tattoos

so he can't be in.

[alfaniner]

The prerequisites for making a bundle on the internet with martial arts.

1) Be fat
2) Have lots of people around you that are willing to fall at your slightest flinch.
3) Have a narrator with a slightly ethnic accent.
4) Be fat.

Nothing against fat people but geez!!! Anyone claiming to be fit should look better than that!!

[Silly Green Monkey]

I took Aikido, and it was advisable not to resist if the technique was done correctly. I usually resisted automatically, which allowed me to escape from many poorly executed techniques. Then they'd figure it out and it would hurt.

[arthwollipot]

I generally thought that one didn't resist the techniques because it would hurt if you did - not because it wouldn't work.

But yes, this gels with my experience with sword fighting. I try to show my friend Vic a particular technique, and he'd do something fancy and weird and not-covered-in-the-manual and it would totally fail.

[geni]

He doesn't have the prerequesites:

1) no bad*** nickname
2) no funky hairstyle
3) no tattoos

so he can't be in.

I donno:

This guy:

http://www.matt-hughes.com/images/mattflex3.jpg

appears to lack all threeand has done fairly well.

[Curnir]

It looks like he is close to bursting out laughing in a couple of frames though.

[T'ai Chi]

I donno:

This guy:

http://www.matt-hughes.com/images/mattflex3.jpg

appears to lack all threeand has done fairly well.

Never heard of him.

[Morrigan]

Never heard of him.
He's only the UFC champion... if you've never heard of him, obviously you don't know a whole lot about UFC. So why do you make little jabs at it as if you knew anything about it?

[T'ai Chi]

I'd love to see this joker in the UFC.

I'd like to see some of the UFCers in the WWE.

Oh wait, that's already happened.

[KingMerv00]

I'd like to see some of the UFCers in the WWE.

Oh wait, that's already happened.

Is there something wrong with the UFC or the WWE?

[geni]

Never heard of him.

You lie:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1665250#post1665250

[T'ai Chi]

I guess some people just don't get humor.

[CFLarsen]

I guess some people just don't get humor.
Perhaps some people don't get why you lie?

It's not just about this, either. So, why? Why do you lie, T'ai? You know you'll get caught.

Is it compulsion?

[T'ai Chi]

But seriously. This can not be for real, can it? Please tell me it's an elaborate joke...

Why don't you contact that martial artist?

[CFLarsen]

Why don't you contact that martial artist?
Why do you lie, T'ai?

[arthwollipot]

Bored now (unsubscribes).

[asmodean]

I'm pretty sure it is no joke.


I'm afraid you may be correct.

I'm pretty sure it is no joke.
When I was in college, I had to choreograph a couple martial art fight scenes. I went around campus looking for people who had a base understanding of martial arts safety and technique. I eventually found the Aikido club. The class had a fairly rigid structure and it seemed there was implied consent that no resistance should be given as techniques were performed. The video mirrors what I saw in that class. There is a fine line between no resistance and falling down when some guy points at you.

This looks definitely like the latter to me. The guy waves a pudgy hand in the vincinity of apupils face and the guy stumbles meters back falling down. Wave it around their stomach region and they look poleaxed as if someone's beaten them with a sledgehammer in the solar plexus. And so on, and so on.

Looks like they wanna stage this show of incredible martial prowess but failing utterly at it.

[asmodean]

It is staged but did you see the end of the video? It says "beyond the physical" and the teacher appears to be using chi power.

Indeed. From PsiLoads link above about Systema:


Beyond The Physical (DVD) $39.95
Beyond The Physical (DVD)
Click to enlarge

by the legendary Mikhail Ryabko.

The most impressive film in the world of martial arts! Breathtaking demonstrations and detailed instructions on how to develop and apply the highest form of self-defense - the Psychic Energy. Overcome any attack with minimal or no physical contact at all! Based on years of intense combat and secret missions, this is an outstanding presentation of the most subtle and powerful ways to move, strike and control your opponents, biomechanics, breathing, human psychology and foresight. Truly, once in a lifetime opportunity to expand your skills beyond the physical.

Seems to definitely fall under the "Human Stun Gun(tm)" category of *cough* martial arts.

[asmodean]

Why don't you contact that martial artist?

There's a Martial Artists in that video? Thankfully PsiLoad found some of the DVDs the pudgy gentleman is peddling and it seems that these clowns are indeed 100% serious.

[pipelineaudio]

JREF Challenge:

I will kick the crap out of the guy in the video, or Ill give him 10 bucks (hey he could sit on me or something)

[hipparchia]

This Russian master seems to be doing some form of Aikido techniques, plus some more exotic stuff. He also seems to work with partners who will willingly take a rolling fall. Believe me, learning to fall to make the thrower look impressive is not such a hard skill.

Sometimes, a partner will really have a motivation to fall- it will hurt if you don't. At other times you just get in the habit of rolling to please the thrower and get it over with. Partners will sometimes be so cooperative that as a thrower you will certainly believe you may have "beyond the physical" skills.

The only time I managed to scare a guy into falling without being touched was during a 30 seconds of multiple attacks", a fun game at the end of Aikido classes. Five people will surround you and perform the attack of choice, and you have to move around so that they will not crowd you. Well, one of the guys was attacking with real enthusiasm, and I decided to do the most direct Aikido technique- extend your arm and push the person's neck or face. Step in to use body weight. The more enthusiasm a person puts into an attack, the nastier it will be if someone were to push him in the face. So here is one "beyond the physical" recipe:

Find an enthusiastic attacker who can take a rolling fall. Look like a scary bitch with hair all messed up, your face red and with the fierce-eyed look of an Irezumi samurai. So, I'm looking like a scary bitch, give an enthusiastic shout and prepare to push the poor guy straight in the face. In a split second he knows he will be run over, so he falls on his own. Me get feeling of being jedi. But just looked very scary.

I guess looking scary and ugly is a part of the game, hence the general pudginess and ugliness of Russian martial artists who claim supernatural powers. Who would want to be touched by that "Master"? I'd rather take a break fall:)

[T'ai Chi]

There's a Martial Artists in that video? Thankfully PsiLoad found some of the DVDs the pudgy gentleman is peddling and it seems that these clowns are indeed 100% serious.

And... ?

So if he is serious, what will you do about it beisdes call him a pudgy clown?

[asmodean]

And... ?

So if he is serious, what will you do about it beisdes call him a pudgy clown?

Why should I do anything about it besides laugh? Have I claimed that "I would do something about it"?

[monoman]

This Russian master seems to be doing some form of Aikido techniques, plus some more exotic stuff. He also seems to work with partners who will willingly take a rolling fall. Believe me, learning to fall to make the thrower look impressive is not such a hard skill.

Sometimes, a partner will really have a motivation to fall- it will hurt if you don't. At other times you just get in the habit of rolling to please the thrower and get it over with. Partners will sometimes be so cooperative that as a thrower you will certainly believe you may have "beyond the physical" skills.

The only time I managed to scare a guy into falling without being touched was during a 30 seconds of multiple attacks", a fun game at the end of Aikido classes. Five people will surround you and perform the attack of choice, and you have to move around so that they will not crowd you. Well, one of the guys was attacking with real enthusiasm, and I decided to do the most direct Aikido technique- extend your arm and push the person's neck or face. Step in to use body weight. The more enthusiasm a person puts into an attack, the nastier it will be if someone were to push him in the face. So here is one "beyond the physical" recipe:

Find an enthusiastic attacker who can take a rolling fall. Look like a scary bitch with hair all messed up, your face red and with the fierce-eyed look of an Irezumi samurai. So, I'm looking like a scary bitch, give an enthusiastic shout and prepare to push the poor guy straight in the face. In a split second he knows he will be run over, so he falls on his own. Me get feeling of being jedi. But just looked very scary.

I guess looking scary and ugly is a part of the game, hence the general pudginess and ugliness of Russian martial artists who claim supernatural powers. Who would want to be touched by that "Master"? I'd rather take a break fall:)
Apologies for this major derail but i've just noticed you're located in Bulgaria!
I'm here too in Turnovo. I'm English, however. Are you Bulgarian?

[T'ai Chi]

Why should I do anything about it besides laugh? Have I claimed that "I would do something about it"?

You have not.

But I'm always told here that being skeptical is more than just doubt.

;)

[misterious]

looks real to me.

[Gravy]

Indeed. From PsiLoads link above about Systema:
Originally Posted by some woo website :
Beyond The Physical (DVD) $39.95
Beyond The Physical (DVD)
If a $39.95 purchase can enable me to use my mind to make people somersault on my ass, I'd consider that money well-spent.

[asmodean]

If a $39.95 purchase can enable me to use my mind to make people somersault on my ass, I'd consider that money well-spent.

True. A most useful skill. Though, I bit more .. materialist would be nice, like making bankers inclined to hand over huge bags of money, would that be in order?

[asmodean]

You have not.

Exactly.

But I'm always told here that being skeptical is more than just doubt.

;)

And whatever does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I doubted these clowns where for real, but you never know, so I asked and got confirmation that it was serious. Happy now?

[Hollywood]

:(

[hipparchia]

I'm Bulgarian, located in Sofia. If you want to try Aikido, look for Martin Todorov in Turnovo.

[T'ai Chi]

And whatever does that have to do with the price of tea in China?


You brought up the tea, you tell me.

Inform t'ai chi about chai tea.

[asmodean]

You brought up the tea, you tell me.

Inform t'ai chi about chai tea.

Uhm no. YOU brought it up. *sigh' I guess it's time for a *plonk*. Bye.

[T'ai Chi]

Uhm no. YOU brought it up. *sigh' I guess it's time for a *plonk*. Bye.

I brought up the tea? No, you did; read your own posts.

Running away is good self defense.

[asmodean]

Uhm no. YOU brought it up. *sigh' I guess it's time for a *plonk*. Bye.

I just saw that the post I replied to said: "You brought up the tea, you tell me."

So yeah, I misread and it was indeed I who "brought it up". As if using an old saying is "bringing something up". But I still get the feeling that Tai Chi's just poping out Non Sequiturs to be a pest and with no intent to actually post anything relevant, so the *plonk* remain.

[T'ai Chi]

Do what you have to do. Thanks for sharing with us all.

[Kenny 10 Bellys]

Why do martial arts threads end in fighting?

For myself I remember my first Ninjutsu class. The instructor (a fat guy) told me to try and hit him with my best technique. Before I could move the chubby swine ran the length of the hall and waved at me from the farthest corner. "Cant hit me from here, can you?" he said. Lesson 1 learned.

[qayak]

A lot of what you people are describing as chi is simply body mechanics and the result of how our brains work. The human body is designed to work in certain ways and sometimes those ways are counter intuitive so when people see it they think it is an amazing, magical feat. I have done demonstrations where someone grabs my lapel and I try to knock their hand off. They laugh because I can't remove their hand no matter how hard I try.

Then I remove their hand with no effort and they are stunned. So stunned that they don't notice I am making them let go without my having to do anything but move their hand away from my body.

It is just a simple way to take advantage of the way most people's brain works. In fact, they don't even realize that they are doing it. I can tell because I can move their hand with no effort when a few seconds before I couldn't move it at all.

No, I do not believe chi exists, in fact I know it doesn't. What I do know though, is that anyone who has some martial arts training is aware of many of these simple little things and they are often used as parlour tricks at parties and such. (Martial artists like to drink. . . a lot!)

Oh, by the way. The trick to making someone let go of your lapel is to gently touch their hand before you slap it away. The touch causes their brain to change focus and you push their hand away before it can refocus. It really is that simple and unamazing.

[ImaginalDisc]

I'm afraid you may be correct.



This looks definitely like the latter to me. The guy waves a pudgy hand in the vincinity of apupils face and the guy stumbles meters back falling down. Wave it around their stomach region and they look poleaxed as if someone's beaten them with a sledgehammer in the solar plexus. And so on, and so on.

Looks like they wanna stage this show of incredible martial prowess but failing utterly at it.
You know, my Aikido instructor once did the same thing to me. He asked me to charge at him at full speed. I did. Just as I was about to tackle him he pointed his finger at my face and it looked so close I thought he was going to put my eye out. Instead of making contact with him I fell onto the ground. I wonder how much of this chi stuff (in general, not on this video) is from exploiting the natural human response to recoil from a hand in your face?

[qayak]

I wonder how much of this chi stuff (in general, not on this video) is from exploiting the natural human response to recoil from a hand in your face?

Now you are on to us!! :D :D :D There are several reactions that get exploited with this stuff.

Some of the stuff is just good body mechanics though. Sometimes it is as simple as moving a finger to point toward the ground and you get a large increase in strength. When you actually examine what is happening though, you realize that it has nothing to do with the finger. It has to do with the fact that your arm is in a better position mechanically if your finger is pointed down.

Don't even get me started on George Dillman and his pressure point crap! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[hipparchia]

(Martial artists like to drink. . . a lot!)


They sure do. I was told a story when a Hombu Shihan would be talking of the one master-secret of Morihei Ueshiba. He was in Bulgaria then and aikidokas here decided to make him drunk and happy so that he will reveal the amazing chi-secret. You may have seen Morihei Ueshiba's videos where he easily knocks his students down, even from a distance. So maybe the people would imagine that this Shihan has mastered the secret and will show them something truly amazing.

So, the Master is good and drunk, and says, come now, who will be my partner so I will show him this technique...

Master and partner kneel facing each other, partner is made to grab the Shihan's wrists. Little twist!- and this, my children, this little twist of wrist is the amazing technique.

In fact, it's one damn useful thing, deceptively easy-looking but hard to master, especially with bigger hands and a harder grip. It's a good tip, but definitely body mechanics only.

I think too much alcohol impaired the Master's chi skills. Or he decided the real thing is waaay too secret to give away to Bulgarians (who will then conquer the world with their psychic skills:)

We had a Russian master over at our dojo who would describe this body mechanics/arm movement techniques with the movements made when knocking down a shot of Vodka.

Really, people out of the martial arts world can seem pretty uncoordinated. Showing a little control of body mechanics will then work as a great parlor trick. Ever done the Unbendable Arm and Unliftable body tricks? All it requires is partners that are not too huge or strong:) Definitely the right execution gives you an advantage in strength.

[TheGuyThat]

Maybe this is an old onem, but I find it hilarious:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=827877829185720919&q=martial+art

But seriously. This can not be for real, can it? Please tell me it's an elaborate joke...

This stuff is real. Believe me or don't I don't care, but atleast quiz me on its validity.
I at first when I saw this tape just laughed at how stupid the dude looked and retarded his coordination is. I am not certain if he can do this but I know for a fact that it is possible after having experienced it myself. I am a martial artist of 12years, I don't mean to brag, inwhich I certainly am but I'm pretty damn good. This guys moves suck serious ass, and he has no correct movement of his body and often gets tied up in himself, which is something no truly skilled martial artist would do. However, forget his crapness for the moment. I have acually met not one, but 2 guys that can do the exact same thing, you can't resist there moves... I'm serious everyone trys to beat them but you can't resist there moves they are just so skilled. They move effortlessly (with less coordination than myself) but it works, its like you can't put force on them otherwise you'll push yourself off balance, thats why you can't resist, you have to react because subconsciously you are always trying to maintain balance. The two guys im talking about are David Brown and Mal Macray, they have a Dojo in melbourne australia. They are less fantastical than this guy but they can move you without resistance in exactly the same way.
Don't be so quick to judge mr fatty here, he is more than likely actually capable.
Infact would this be suitable for a test of the paranormal if i could do that?

If you have watched his video though you would note he says it isnt magic or chi, but just the psychology of the person, so stop laughing at the dude that could whoop your ass. He likely understands psychology and peoples reactions more than you ever will because you have never listened to what is happening. Keep an open mind and answers will come, don't demand them or you will never be satisfied

[KingMerv00]

This stuff is real. Believe me or don't I don't care, but atleast quiz me on its validity.
I at first when I saw this tape just laughed at how stupid the dude looked and retarded his coordination is. I am not certain if he can do this but I know for a fact that it is possible after having experienced it myself. I am a martial artist of 12years, I don't mean to brag, inwhich I certainly am but I'm pretty damn good. This guys moves suck serious ass, and he has no correct movement of his body and often gets tied up in himself, which is something no truly skilled martial artist would do. However, forget his crapness for the moment. I have acually met not one, but 2 guys that can do the exact same thing, you can't resist there moves... I'm serious everyone trys to beat them but you can't resist there moves they are just so skilled. They move effortlessly (with less coordination than myself) but it works, its like you can't put force on them otherwise you'll push yourself off balance, thats why you can't resist, you have to react because subconsciously you are always trying to maintain balance. The two guys im talking about are David Brown and Mal Macray, they have a Dojo in melbourne australia. They are less fantastical than this guy but they can move you without resistance in exactly the same way.
Don't be so quick to judge mr fatty here, he is more than likely actually capable.
Infact would this be suitable for a test of the paranormal if i could do that?

If you have watched his video though you would note he says it isnt magic or chi, but just the psychology of the person, so stop laughing at the dude that could whoop your ass. He likely understands psychology and peoples reactions more than you ever will because you have never listened to what is happening. Keep an open mind and answers will come, don't demand them or you will never be satisfied

If it is all psychological, then it won't work on people who have never seen him before or don't know which direction they will be heading.

Demonstrating chi energy would probably qualify you for the million though I don't speak for JREF officially. What can you do?

[lpcrispo]

it's called Systema I think...
and if it's really this... it's Bullshido... :)

[TheGuyThat]

If it is all psychological, then it won't work on people who have never seen him before or don't know which direction they will be heading.

Demonstrating chi energy would probably qualify you for the million though I don't speak for JREF officially. What can you do?

No need to be purposely stupid...
People react certain ways to certain things, and it does work on people who have never seen it before.

Lets say you could push someone with your pinky and they can't resist any of the movements or something like that. Could pushem around how you like without them being able to put up any resistance. Like there muscles can't do anything against you, almost like they are letting it happen but are trying to fight it but can't.
I personally am not interested though, but perhaps some people I know might do it if I can persuade them...that is when and if I see them ofcourse.