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Jedi Knight
29th May 2003, 10:07 AM
Canada is overrun with SARS due to its non-existent health standards of those traveling to the country. A person traveling to Canada could have Smallpox and the Bubonic Plague and Canadian leftists would revolt if they were held up at Candian immigration because that would not celebrate 'diversity' and 'multiculturalism'.

You see, diversity and multiculturalism don't just apply to skin color and point of origin. We now have to 'celebrate' people that are carrying deadly diseases that have absolutely no cure or else it is 'hate' and 'discrimination'. We now have to respect "toxic-microscopic diversity". If a person in Canada has Smallpox, it is discrimination not to kiss them and give them a big juicy hug up close and personal.

Check out this article about it (http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=2846580).

Canada whines to the United States that we were "overreacting" to the Canadian SARS epidemic, and they said we should all flock to Toronto because there is "nothing to fear".

Well, with 30 more people dead, 6500 in quarantine in the last week, and hundreds, if not thousands more infected, Toronto is a biological warzone, a hot-zone, and I think that if the Canadians want to celebrate all that biological diversity they can have it but don't expect us Americans to go to Toronto until that entire city is fumigated completely. :eek:

OMG, my team The Boston Red Sox play against Toronto tonight. :eek:

You know leftism is out of control when we have to respect and celebrate the diversity of killer microscopic organisms.

JK

Segnosaur
29th May 2003, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Canada is overrun with SARS due to its non-existent health standards of those traveling to the country.

JK

I really really hate responding to a JK thread, but I figure I should here...

Just a few notes:
- The danger of SARS is greatly overrated. Yes, it is a disease that can kill, and it shouldn't be ignored. But the flu probably kills more people every year, and is much more widespread. Its mortality rate is less than 10%, and at this point its spread in Canada seems to be assoicated with hospitals (which makes it a bit troublesome, but shouldn't cause problems for visiting baseball teams)
- There is a kernel of truth about the lax procedures in Canada. We haven't been screening people very well (even before SARS, we weren't doing proper checks for things like TB.)
- After the first travel advisory to Toronto, the government bought thermal scanners. Last I heard, they have been delivered, but for some reason weren't in use
- Canada has been very hypocritical; we say that we should defer to the UN in some cases (like Iraq), but when the WHO (part of the UN) puts a travel advisory in place for Toronto, the government complains.

Frostbite
29th May 2003, 10:34 AM
I don't even know what you're talking about dude. We had SARS cases a couple miles from where I live, and they were all contained in a hotel for 20 days and released. Toronto was put back to semi-quarantine a couple days ago cause they had a couple more cases but it's not an epidemic. You might be right on some point but overall you're dramatizing, exaggerating and romanticizing. Relax.

[edit] this is a reply to the original poster

Dancing David
29th May 2003, 11:41 AM
Oh man JK, that was prime thank you. I haven't had a good laugh in a while, thank you 'microbial diversity' is a gem.

I guess that as a way left whacko I will have to propose that we outlaw anti biotics to preserve, the 'natural heritage of microbial diversity'.

Jedi Knight
29th May 2003, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Segnosaur


I really really hate responding to a JK thread, but I figure I should here...

Just a few notes:
- The danger of SARS is greatly overrated. Yes, it is a disease that can kill, and it shouldn't be ignored. But the flu probably kills more people every year, and is much more widespread. Its mortality rate is less than 10%, and at this point its spread in Canada seems to be assoicated with hospitals (which makes it a bit troublesome, but shouldn't cause problems for visiting baseball teams)
- There is a kernel of truth about the lax procedures in Canada. We haven't been screening people very well (even before SARS, we weren't doing proper checks for things like TB.)
- After the first travel advisory to Toronto, the government bought thermal scanners. Last I heard, they have been delivered, but for some reason weren't in use
- Canada has been very hypocritical; we say that we should defer to the UN in some cases (like Iraq), but when the WHO (part of the UN) puts a travel advisory in place for Toronto, the government complains.

You know what is a shame--I used to love going to Hull Ottowa to party. Jesus I had some good times in that part of town lol.

My post points out how Canda overreacted to the SARS quarantine against Toronto by the WHO. I will never forget the mayor of Toronto's ugly mug getting on TV telling people "there is nothing wrong!" and it is "all a conspiracy by the United States."

Some conspiracy, huh. 6500 school children locked up in quarantine, dozens of deaths with no end in sight.

I think I will hang out in the US, thank you very much....that is until Canada contaminates the entire American continent and kills everyone alive with their new diversity virus.

JK

Frostbite
29th May 2003, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Jedi Knight
I think I will hang out in the US, thank you very much....

Good. You do that.

voidx
29th May 2003, 12:36 PM
I agree with your post for the most part Segnosaur, just a few things to take into consideration.

Yes, it is a disease that can kill, and it shouldn't be ignored. But the flu probably kills more people every year, and is much more widespread.

SARS has been contained which is directly why it is not widespread such as the flu is. If SARS was as widespread as the flu, how would it compare in mortality rate then? Also we do have procedures to battle the flu, currently with SARS we have none. In Toronto's case it seems that its not as epidemic as perhaps the media makes it out to be, but as you said it still needs our prime attention. I'm sure if it was the flu that was completely new to us, with no vaccines or medical precautions, it would be warranting the same attention.

Segnosaur
29th May 2003, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Jedi Knight

You know what is a shame--I used to love going to Hull Ottowa to party. Jesus I had some good times in that part of town lol.


To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any cases in Ottawa/Hull at all. Percautions have been taken at hospitals (including limiting visitors and requiring the use of masks by patients.)

Hull has toned down a lot lately. (I guess they were getting tired of having drunk and roudy Ontarians coming over and causing problems.) Ottawa is still as boring as ever. But if you ever get back to here, let me know and I'll buy you a beer.

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

My post points out how Canda overreacted to the SARS quarantine against Toronto by the WHO. I will never forget the mayor of Toronto's ugly mug getting on TV telling people "there is nothing wrong!" and it is "all a conspiracy by the United States."


Mayor Lastman of Toronto is generally thought to be a moron. Some of his highlights:
- During the first travel advisory, he started blaming the CDC, before someone told him it was the WHO
- During a heavy snow fall a few years ago, he actually called in the Canadian army to help shovel snow. (Really, we did get snow in Canada.)
- He made some 'joke' about not wanting to visit africa because he didn't want to get 'eaten' (or was it poisonous snakes he complained about?) Personally, I thought the joke was funny in a dumb, over the top way (the way it should be thought of), but it is generally thought that his 'joke' was a main reason that Toronto lost the bid for the Summer Olympics (as various delegates from African countries voted against Toronto)

Jedi Knight
29th May 2003, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by Segnosaur
To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any cases in Ottawa/Hull at all. Percautions have been taken at hospitals (including limiting visitors and requiring the use of masks by patients.)

Hull has toned down a lot lately. (I guess they were getting tired of having drunk and roudy Ontarians coming over and causing problems.) Ottawa is still as boring as ever. But if you ever get back to here, let me know and I'll buy you a beer.

Sure thing. I loved Hull. I haven't been back there in years but we had a great time. I met a lot of interesting people there and was always attracted to Canadian women (the non-commies).

But Hull was Canada's best kept secret for a long time.

JK

Segnosaur
29th May 2003, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by voidx
I agree with your post for the most part Segnosaur, just a few things to take into consideration.



SARS has been contained which is directly why it is not widespread such as the flu is. If SARS was as widespread as the flu, how would it compare in mortality rate then? Also we do have procedures to battle the flu, currently with SARS we have none. In Toronto's case it seems that its not as epidemic as perhaps the media makes it out to be, but as you said it still needs our prime attention. I'm sure if it was the flu that was completely new to us, with no vaccines or medical precautions, it would be warranting the same attention.

I did a quick search... As expected, the mortality rate for SARS varies with age, but is around 15% (I thought it was under 10, but I guess I didn't notice the change in rates.)

The mortality rate for the common flu is around 5%. Untreated TB has a mortality rate near 50%.

See: http://edition.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/05/08/sars/

OBgac
29th May 2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Originally posted by Segnosaur
To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any cases in Ottawa/Hull at all. Percautions have been taken at hospitals (including limiting visitors and requiring the use of masks by patients.)

Hull has toned down a lot lately. (I guess they were getting tired of having drunk and roudy Ontarians coming over and causing problems.) Ottawa is still as boring as ever. But if you ever get back to here, let me know and I'll buy you a beer.

Sure thing. I loved Hull. I haven't been back there in years but we had a great time. I met a lot of interesting people there and was always attracted to Canadian women (the non-commies).

But Hull was Canada's best kept secret for a long time.

JK


JK

You have more chance of being kicked to death by a gang of zombie nuns that catching SARS.
Relax

Bearguin
29th May 2003, 03:24 PM
Would they be matriarchical, leftest nuns? If so, then it is bound to happen anyday.

And yeah, Segnosaur, they did adjust the mortality rate up a couple of weeks back. But I remember it being pretty virulent in older folks and they had to adjust the rate to include that.

Segnosaur
29th May 2003, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Gods Advocate

And yeah, Segnosaur, they did adjust the mortality rate up a couple of weeks back. But I remember it being pretty virulent in older folks and they had to adjust the rate to include that.

Works great for me....


Get rid of some of the older people, then by the time I'm at the age where it would be a serious risk, they'll find a cure.

(Note: I meant the above as a joke.)