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Katana
31st July 2006, 05:22 PM
Those silly, silly Americans.

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/living/religion/15148155.htm?source=rss&channel=kansas_religion

Belief in hell is going to you-know-where. And belief in heaven is in trouble, too.

That's the concern of some Christian thinkers, including Jeffrey Burton Russell, an emeritus professor of history at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and author of the new book "Paradise Mislaid: How We Lost Heaven and How We Can Regain It" (Oxford, $28).

Russell and other fretters aren't impressed by fads like the sudden popularity of the girl's name Nevaeh (heaven spelled backward) or polls that show most Americans believe in some sort of heaven.

The growing problem, according to Russell and others, is that the way U.S. Christians conceive of both heaven and hell is so feeble and vague that it's almost meaningless -- vague "superstition."

It's "not that heaven is deteriorating," he says. "But we are."

Gallup reported in 2004 that 81 percent of Americans believed in heaven and 70 percent in hell. An earlier Gallup Poll said 77 percent of ever-optimistic Americans rated their odds of making heaven as "good" or "excellent." Few saw themselves as hellbound.

"The percentage who say they believe in heaven has remained pretty constant the past 50 years, but what people mean by it has changed an awful lot," Russell said .

Some people are so confused they believe in heaven but not God --"I suppose a New Age thing," Russell said.

Forty-Two
31st July 2006, 05:45 PM
Hmph. I'll be attending UCSB in the fall. As I'll be studying a completely different discipline, however, the chances that I'll ever meet this professor are slim to none.

Katana
31st July 2006, 07:41 PM
I haven't decided whether you're fortunate or unlucky.

FireGarden
1st August 2006, 01:51 AM
Some want Heaven on Earth, and are freezing themselves so future technology can revive them.

Kitty Chan
1st August 2006, 06:58 AM
Those that argue over things like this are forgetting the "prime directive' :-)

was to make here as much like Heaven as one could.

Katana
1st August 2006, 07:12 AM
Those that argue over things like this are forgetting the "prime directive' :-)

was to make here as much like Heaven as one could.

Whose prime directive?

andyandy
1st August 2006, 07:24 AM
"Paradise Mislaid: How We Lost Heaven and How We Can Regain It" (Oxford, $28).

$28?! If his book's so important to the moral wellbeing and heaven-entering potential of us millions of damned souls, then why's he charging so much for it? When he talks about finding "paradise" does he really mean living a life of luxury on a thai beach? :mad:

trvlr2
1st August 2006, 08:41 AM
No-no-no--Andy, that's FUNDING paradise, his!:)

Meffy
1st August 2006, 09:06 AM
Ohhh, a fundingmentalist! Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

Foster Zygote
1st August 2006, 09:40 AM
Whose prime directive?
I think she means "Branigans Law".

Steven

Meffy
1st August 2006, 11:00 AM
Zap Brannigan ain't prime, he's USDA canner grade if I ever saw it.

USDA Grades of Beef. There are 8 Grades: Prime, Choice, Select, Standard, Commercial, Utility, Cutter and Canner.

[edit] Anything below so-called "Standard" grade is of marginal edibility.

Kitty Chan
1st August 2006, 11:30 AM
Whose prime directive?

well I kinda thought that the original post indicated it was a Heaven and Hell as per a christian view. so it would be a prime directive of Heaven as per the God of that faith.

Prime directive was a attempt at humour arr arr :-)