Astrology Proves Jesus Was Gay?

[Quixote]

I wasn't sure whether this belonged here or on the Paranormal board.

Jesus Christ was gay because of the position of the planets at the time of his birth, a Brisbane academic says.

Rollan McCleary, who was awarded his doctorate today from the University of Queensland, also believes one and possibly three of Jesus's disciples were also gay.

See the entire article at

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/29/1054177665090.html

My favorite part: "[O]ne or two queer theologians" had attempted to argue Jesus was gay in the past.

"People haven't taken them very seriously because they don't have any evidence and they say things so sensationally that people are not really going to listen or just be very angry," Dr McCleary told ABC radio.

[triadboy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quixote
I wasn't sure whether this belonged here or on the Paranormal board.

See the entire article at

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/29/1054177665090.html


These are from Mark

14:51
And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

14:52
And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

This same young man is mention in the Secret Gospel of Mark referred to by Clement:

"And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, 'Son of David, have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tornb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."

The person who Clement was writing to apparently had (or heard) a copy that mentioned "naked man to naked man".

But again it doesn't matter.

The real Jesus (if he existed, was insignificant). Paul created the mythological Jesus from the Gnostic traditions. So it's like wondering if Santa Claus is gay. Santa Claus is a mythological representation of St Nicholas. St Nicholas is insignificant in our society - it's the jolly fat man we want.

[Zep]

Yep, we got nutters too. Not so many as elsewhere, but they do perform up to world-class standard, don't they!

Zep

[Darwin]

Jesus´s father figure was not completely ordinary.

[Dancing David]

Wee if there was a virgin birth then Jesus was a woman and therefore a lesbian...

[Sundog]

I think we need a new yearly competition, Thread Title of the Year, and I nominate this one.

[Jet Grind]

Originally posted by Sundog
I think we need a new yearly competition, Thread Title of the Year, and I nominate this one.

I second that, but I'm new so I'll rename the award "best title of a thread that I've seen during the 20 minutes I've been here".

[Nucular]

Originally posted by triadboy
14:51
And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

14:52
And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

This same young man is mention in the Secret Gospel of Mark referred to by Clement

Then there's always "the disciple whom Jesus loved" that John mentions with a raised eyebrow...

Originally posted by Sundog
I think we need a new yearly competition, Thread Title of the Year, and I nominate this one.

This one or that 'Flying Saucers Powered By Ghosts' one from a while ago - there's probably really quite a lot if we look closely :rolleyes:

Nucular

[shemp]

Originally posted by triadboy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Quixote
The real Jesus (if he existed, was insignificant). Paul created the mythological Jesus from the Gnostic traditions. So it's like wondering if Santa Claus is gay.

Well? Is Santa Claus gay?

[c4ts]

Originally posted by shemp


Well? Is Santa Claus gay?

He does have a wife, so probably not.

[evildave]

That doesn't prove anything. Gay men have taken wives and remained "in the closet" before.

Something more important to ask: Why's Santa want children on his lap? Maybe he's visited a few too many clergy.

[c4ts]

Originally posted by evildave
That doesn't prove anything. Gay men have taken wives and remained "in the closet" before.

Something more important to ask: Why's Santa want children on his lap? Maybe he's visited a few too many clergy.

Perhaps he may be a bit of a jolly pedophile, but I doubt he's a ho ho ho-mosexual.

[Puppycow]

I sent the following E-mail to Mr. Randi concerning this (I didn't know there was a thread on it at the time): Dear Mr. Randi,

I have recently discovered your site and am very impressed with the work you are doing.
It has recently come to my attention that the University of Queensland, a public university, has awarded a doctorate to a certain Rollan McCleary, a self-described "qualified astrologer" for a doctoral thesis that explored whether or not Jesus was gay based upon, among other things, his astrological chart. I personally am not concerned about the sexual preferences of "Dr." McCleary, who is openly gay, or the alleged messiah, which is what most of the public controvery seems to center on. What sticks in my craw is that a public university, supported by tax money, has bestowed a PhD and the right to the honorific prefix "Dr." for a thesis using astrology among its methods.

I have found the following reference material using Google.

A newspaper article by the Advertiser
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6510415%255E421,00.html

Apologetics by the University of Queensland (The issue of astrology is avoided altogether.)
http://www.uq.edu.au/news/index.phtml?article=4489

"Dr." McCleary's Website
http://www.loriswebs.com/astro_theology/mccleary.html

If I was Australian I would complain to the University of Queensland about this. This is your tax money hard at work.

[shemp]

The case for a gay Santa Claus:

1. He spends a lot of time with small beings of rather questionable sexuality (elves)

2. He dresses flamboyantly

3. He and his "wife" (if, indeed, that's what she really is) have no children

4. He sneaks into people's homes to leave gifts for impressionable children

5. He lets lots of kids sit on his lap

6. He lives in the Arctic, very close to the Fortress of Solitude of Superman (another person of questionable sexuality)

While none of these by themselves prove anything, together they are a rather imposing body of evidence.

[JesFine]

Don't forget, Jesus was single, thin, and neat.

And he got along well with women.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[ImpyTimpy]

I take it you haven't been to many universities? Don't be surprised to find quacks with titles such as Dr. and Prof. it happens...

Sad but true.

Originally posted by Puppycow
I sent the following E-mail to Mr. Randi concerning this (I didn't know there was a thread on it at the time):

If I was Australian I would complain to the University of Queensland about this. This is your tax money hard at work.

[Zep]

Originally posted by Puppycow
I sent the following E-mail to Mr. Randi concerning this (I didn't know there was a thread on it at the time):

If I was Australian I would complain to the University of Queensland about this. This is your tax money hard at work.
No point sending this to James Randi. He doesn't live in Australia, he is not on the Board of the Queensland University, and he doesn't confer doctorates.

In fact, we here in Oz considered this nong (an Australian term meaning "an idiot") worth very little of our time or attention. He's an obvious nut-case, and only good for a (quick) laugh.

Zep