Debunk please

[Dazed]

I noticed this over at the loose change forums, I was curious what the reactions of veteran skeptics would be.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9979

The key point here being, no smoke in the earlier pictures, much smoke in the later pictures, localized in an area where a guy is doing.. something.

The poster didn't mention it, but "bob" seems to be carrying something.

[kookbreaker]

The smoke looks pretty thin and something like you'd get from a power tool like a chainsaw. The thickest smoke could easily be some other piece of equipment at work.

Sorry, no 'smoking gun' here.

[Dazed]

Power tool? That's supposed to be the smoking wreckage of the plane.

[Darat]

Well for start his first comments about "civilians arrive first"... he seems not to have noticed the man in the white "investigation" suit in the first photo.

[Shrinker]

I noticed this over at the loose change forums, I was curious what the reactions of veteran skeptics would be.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9979

The key point here being, no smoke in the earlier pictures, much smoke in the later pictures, localized in an area where a guy is doing.. something.

The poster didn't mention it, but "bob" seems to be carrying something.

No, this is very suspicious. It's well known that when planting evidence secret agents wear bright yellow suits to make sure their actions go unnoticed. :rolleyes:

Maybe there was something very hot underground. When one of the guys moved some earth or whatever, oxygen was able to get in and things began to burn. However, I'm not an expert in uderground fires.

I noticed this quote from the post "No one knows who these people were. No one knows what they were doing." Did he ask everyone? I suspect what he really mean is that he doesn't know who they were. To me, they look an awful lot like an air crash investigation team.

[Dazed]

That's what they look like to me too. So you think the absense of smoke turning into the presence of smoke was caused by unearthing part of the plane that was buried. Any other theories?

[LTC8K6]

Ask the guy why the fire department chops the hell out of your house and keeps wetting it long after the fire appears to be out.

[Shrinker]

That's what they look like to me too. So you think the absense of smoke turning into the presence of smoke was caused by unearthing part of the plane that was buried. Any other theories?

No, I said 'maybe'. I don't know anything about plane crashes so I'm not making any claims. It is however a reasonably possibility IMO, so I don't see the photos as suspicious.

[Dazed]

I know, I'm taking your 'maybe' as one possible explanation, and inviting others.

[defaultdotxbe]

just tossing this out there but by what method was it determined that this was the correct chronological order?

and why would MiBs (or MiW+Ys in this case) allow someone to stand there and photograph them planting evidence and starting fires?

why would they have to? why couldnt they just crash another remotely controlled 757?

[Dr Adequate]

I know, I'm taking your 'maybe' as one possible explanation, and inviting others.Well, in the real world, everyone knows that raking up a fire stirs up smoke.

Now let's turn to the alternate reality of the Consipracy Theory.

In this magic land, that little bit of smoke was faked.

Why?

The Great Big Evil Conspiracy has knocked down the Twin Towers, they've attacked the Pentagon, they've killed thousands of people --- and now, to put a final seal on their trail of destruction, they're going to make a tiny little plume of smoke rise?

And so desperate are they to do this that they still carry out this fiendish plan while people stand there taking photographs of them doing it.

How do you account for this?

I can account for it by a fact which I should have thought was known to everyone --- but how do you account for it?

[gumboot]

The Great Big Evil Conspiracy has knocked down the Twin Towers, they've attacked the Pentagon, they've killed thousands of people --- and now, to put a final seal on their trail of destruction, they're going to make a tiny little plume of smoke rise?

And so desperate are they to do this that they still carry out this fiendish plan while people stand there taking photographs of them doing it.

:D

You've got to hand it to them...

At least the CTers are consistant.

-Andrew

[.13.]

Well for start his first comments about "civilians arrive first"... he seems not to have noticed the man in the white "investigation" suit in the first photo.

Also the "civilians" who are not wearing an "investigation" suit seem to wear hardhats.

[Brainster]

Also the "civilians" who are not wearing an "investigation" suit seem to wear hardhats.

1. What tells the poster over at LC that he's got the sequential order of the photos correct?

2. If they'd done what Uncle Fetzer suggested (dug a ten foot hole in the ground, dumped some trash in it and blowed it up), wouldn't they also have started the fires prior to the photographers arriving?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.

[.13.]

2. If they'd done what Uncle Fetzer suggested (dug a ten foot hole in the ground, dumped some trash in it and blowed it up), wouldn't they also have started the fires prior to the photographers arriving?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.


Inept subcontractors probably forgot to bury the explosives to the crash site. Since there were no explosives in the ground, the plane had to be diverted and it dissapeared. Everyone knows one can't fake a real fake plane crash without controlled demolition.

So they ended up hastily improvising.

[negativ]

I know when I'm forging a crime scene, I always stand around and let AP photogs shoot the rehearsal.

Edit: And I'm STILL not banned over there. I wonder if they met their banning quota for this month, or what?

[Cuddles]

Yellow and white suited people arrive. Scare off the civilians and begin doing stuff. No one knows who these people were. No one knows what they were doing.

Not a very organised conspiracy obviously.

[Dazed]

lol.. Good responses. I guess maybe the images just aren't really in the right chronological order.

As far as 9/11 conspiracies go, this one was news to me so I wanted to hear some other thoughts on it.

[kookbreaker]

No one knows who these people were. No one knows what they were doing.

"nobody knows...who dey were..or....what dey wer dooing" -Spinal Tap

[brodski]

"nobody knows...who dey were..or....what dey wer dooing" -Spinal Tap

So what you're saying is that the twin towers where actually scale models, only 1450 inches tall?

[kookbreaker]

So what you're saying is that the twin towers where actually scale models, only 1450 inches tall?

The new theory is that they were crushed by dwarves.

[Pardalis]

Dazed, how can you tell the chronology of these pictures for certain?

[Killtown]

There is a reason there is no smoke from a 757 crash there.

[blutoski]

I noticed this over at the loose change forums, I was curious what the reactions of veteran skeptics would be.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9979

The key point here being, no smoke in the earlier pictures, much smoke in the later pictures, localized in an area where a guy is doing.. something.

The poster didn't mention it, but "bob" seems to be carrying something.

The last poster on the forum provided the contact info for the photographer. I'd email him and ask if these are in sequence.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

TV cameras almost always get there before the investigators, and the men in the first photo are not civilians, Civilians do not wear hard hats to a plane crash.
They are assessing the crash to see how to investigate it best.