Idiocy Abounds Uncontested

[Eos of the Eons]

http://www.reddeerexpress.com/express/edition03/opinion-005.html

In the express they keep printing Jensens letters that claim there is still mercury in children's vaccines. They won't print mine, whereas the Advocate at least did (Refer to Review Requested thread).

I'm tempted to write something like this:

"Okay, isn't it enough you keep printing Jensen's untrue drivel, and keep ignoring mine? I'm just sick of seeing the same old same old every week!

Why don't you encourage Jensen to dredge up some OTHER vaccine conspiracy theory just to shake things up a bit?

Let's get this clear, even though you won't print my letter anyways:

THERE IS NO MERCURY IN THE VACCINES. THERE NEVER WAS METHYLMERCURY IN THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, ESPECIALLY MMR!!!!!

Did you READ it THAT time. How many times do I have write it??

I really don't care if your paper wants parents to read this crap Jensen keeps writing. I really don't care that you don't care if kids die from measles or pertussis. I'M JUST SICK OF SEEING YOU PRINT IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!

I beg you, enough already!

Love Eos."

Fricken IDIOTS!!! I HATE that paper!!

/rant

*breathes*

[thaiboxerken]

Maybe you can appeal to some scientific authority to write the paper.

[Eos of the Eons]

Pfft. Nobody cares, or they would have written already. THAT paper keeps printing ads for woo devices, woo food, and woo treatments. Heck, LAST week, they had a full page coverage on how pig pills (http://www.pigpills.com/) cured some lady's depression even though she had taken antidepressants as well. What gets the credit and a book written about though? The PIG PILLS. A whole page devoted to the author and her crap woo book. The author was in town getting her stupid book sold with her autograph. Free advertising for her! Their link on their site goes to wrong story though. Odd.

They can't even spell in that paper. Thier "Experts Advice" column asks www.hiwaytohealth.ca (http://www.hiwaytohealth.ca) if a person can LOOSE their sex drive. They can't even spell "lose" right! LOL.

Other stories are so right wing I can't bear to read them. Ugh.

It's such a biased rag.

[SezMe]

Tell me about this rag. Is it the only hometown paper? Is it daily? If so, is there an alternative weekly? Do they have an ombudsman for readers?

And so forth. The obvious reason for asking is to find out if there is any OTHER media outlets that you can use to fight this bilge.

[Eos of the Eons]

It's delivered free to every doorstep in town once a week. They rely on classifieds and advertisers for money. Many advertisements are from alties-chiros, accupuncturists, wellness stores (like hiway to health).

They have no qualms about letters to the editor like Jensen's, but they didn't print mine. I'm sure their advertisers are more than happy to see Jensen's letters as well. Most alties sell alternatives (adjustments, oils, supplements) that they say protect as well or better than vaccinations, and they say their products are more "natural" protection than vaccines

Jensen is saying mercury is still in the vaccines, and that they damage children, since her grandchild has autism.

I just don't know if I care anymore. If people want to slam vaccines so openly, then let them see what kind of damage pertussis will do to their kids. They figure vaccines are worse anyway.

What they don't get is that vaccines don't cause autism, and the kids will still get autism whether or not they are vaccinated. Why add death or complications from diseases to the poor kids?

Like I said though. It's their kids, and they can believe whomever they want to.

The Advocate is the daily paper, and they did print my letter after they printed one of Jensen's. They are a far more ethical bunch than the Express.

[Bob Klase]

It's delivered free to every doorstep in town once a week. They rely on classifieds and advertisers for money. Many advertisements are from alties-chiros, accupuncturists, wellness stores (like hiway to health).

They have no qualms about letters to the editor like Jensen's, but they didn't print mine. I'm sure their advertisers are more than happy to see Jensen's letters as well. Most alties sell alternatives (adjustments, oils, supplements) that they say protect as well or better than vaccinations, and they say their products are more "natural" protection than vaccines

Jensen is saying mercury is still in the vaccines, and that they damage children, since her grandchild has autism.

Maybe you could save a few papers with his letters and send copies to whoever makes teh vaccines. Seems like they might be able to take some kind of legal action if the paper is printing libel.

[Eos of the Eons]

Meh. I've never seen Barb Fisher (http://www.909shot.com/Loe_Fisher/blf0804vsd.htm) sued by vaccine makers, but she encourages people to sue vaccine makers. I'm sure they can't touch Jensen either. Jensen is a woman too. Mercola (http://www.mercola.com/) has never been made to stop lying either.

Anybody can take misinformation and spread it around. It's not slander, but freedom of speech.

[SezMe]

*Sigh*

Seems like the woos have you nearly surronded.

If you still care, I suppose public access on your local cable would be one alternative. Wish I could come up with some idea you have not already thought of.

*Sigh* (again)

[Eos of the Eons]

:boxedin: Yeah. I can't do anything but whine. Thank you for your empathy.

I just want my kids safe. Herd immunity would be nice, but knowing all this stuff that goes on to make vaccination rates fall, I just better make sure my kids get all their vaccines.

Hey, I need an updated resource like this:
http://www.calgaryhealthregion.ca/clin/cme/pophlth/phu0302.pdf

That addresses the mercury claims.

I'll bet Jensen's grandkid gets fish to eat once in a while. No calls for fish to be mercury free. There's more mercury in a carrot than there ever is in even the flu vaccines, and it's methylmercury that is in FOOD.

[StewartP]

The internet is to blame. Previously the loonies had to rave to themselves and everybody would look on sympathetically.

Now the loonies can find each other on the 'net and spread their madness. Once you find enough people to share the madness you can form an association and have a web page and get on TV and everything.

As proof of this theory I present Morgellons http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1838431#post1838431

[Eos of the Eons]

I blame alties for spreading the madness via the net and via their "practices". People like Jensen use them as points of reference. They spread the misinformation to other parents. Then vaccine rates drop, and kids die. Pertussis currently kills one out of 200 infected. Parents then may wake up after seeing their child suffer horribly, or will be the lucky parents of 199 kids that don't die-attributing their survival to the altie medicine, and continuing to spread misinformation.

About Morgellons... they showed shots of the stuff they took from the peoples' bodies under microscopes. They weren't clothing fibers, but resembled colored hairs. They will have to do dna analysis of the filaments. Until then, I remain on the fence.

[StewartP]

When it was time for my son to get his MMR, Wakefields stuff had just hit the papers. I looked into it, and decided to trust the numbers. Callan had his MMR shots and I remember feeling angry towards Wakefield and the MSM for making me guilty and scared when the doc put the needle in.

[Eos of the Eons]

Exactly. Now more parents are going to be scared. This has been going on in this paper for a month now. I hope most people are smart enough to ignore it though, but that doubt is what the goal is. Create fear, create alternatives, create a business where they hypocritically call doctors the fearmongers. These diseases are no joke, but parents are being told the prevention is worse. It's unethical.

[TobiasTheViking]

Eos, hit them with emotions.

Tell them that because of newspapers like them children are now dying.. yes, turning up dead, because papers doing what they do. Tell them about the daily mail, tell them about the infection rates for measles in britain, and tell them that for the first time in 15 years a kid have DIED from measles in the UK.. because of this..

Tell them that if it happens it will be their fault, the blame will be almost entirely theirs.

Not sure if it would work, but it is worth a shot.

[TobiasTheViking]

here Eos, this is something i wrote a little while back, it is probably too graphic so if you choose to use it you can either

a) edit it so it can go in the paper
or
b) send it as is, so maybe they can understand, and publish your letters.


Because of all this stupid crap about mercury causing autism, a lot of british parents have decided not to vaccinate their kid. Now remember what i wrote two posts back, there is not now, have never been, and will never be, any mercury in the british MMR. EVER. Because of that crap, for the first time in 14 years a kid has DIED of the measles in britain.


I'm going to say that again because it sounds mildly important.
Because some people convince parents that the mercury in MMR, which doesn't contain any mercury, causes autism, the parents have chosen NOT to vaccinate their child. And now, for the first time in 14 years we have a child who has DIED of measles.

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First measles death for 14 years

A 13-year-old boy has become the first person in the UK in 14 years to die from measles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4871728.stm

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UK 'in grip of measles outbreak'

Numbers of measles cases in the UK have risen to their highest level in nearly 20 years, experts said.

Surrey and Sussex could have up to 156 cases and South Yorkshire may have 180. Last year there were just 77 cases across England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/5081286.stm

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GOD DAMNIT, DOESN'T THIS SHOW SOMETHING IMPORTANT?

Yes there is a risk of taking a vaccination, there is a very small probability that you may be allergic to it. Just like you might be allergic to milk or honey.

The risk of NOT having the vaccine, when there is no herd immunity(which britain is approaching) is BIGGER.

We are talking a minute risk that a child might get an allergic reaction. Versus a much bigger risk of the child DYING.

This is not a game people, this is life, and what would you rather have, a child with an allergic reaction, or no child?

What would you rather be? struck with an allergic reaction, or dead?

Look at the numbers, look at the research, there is NO basis for the MMR/Thimerosal -> Autism link. WHAT SO EVER. And now, because certain people ignore the facts. CHILDREN ARE DYING.

For christs sake, THIS IS NOT A GAME

[StewartP]

Eos, hit them with emotions.
Yes. Absolutely.
When I lived in the UK I used to do this with the anti vivisectionists who used to set up stall in the high streets. They would have big photos f puppies with bleeding eyes and shaven headed monkeys etc.

I would go up, and start signing the inevitable petition. But I would write in big letters that covered half the page "vivisection saves lives". Then I would start on them. "You kill babies" "Because of your resistance to vivisection in medical research, labs are closing down or not being funded. Medicines are not being developed fast enough. Surgical techniques are not being tested fast enough. People are dying. Children are dying. You kill babies"

[SezMe]

The internet is to blame.
Actually, it's Lisa's fault, but that is probably a derail.

[Eos of the Eons]

Thank you Tobias. Maybe I will try one more, with an appeal to emotion. That is what Jensen does, so the paper likes it. I won't call them babykillers right out, but maybe I can insinuate that is what they will be if they keep on being so one sided.

[fuelair]

http://www.reddeerexpress.com/express/edition03/opinion-005.html

In the express they keep printing Jensens letters that claim there is still mercury in children's vaccines. They won't print mine, whereas the Advocate at least did (Refer to Review Requested thread).

I'm tempted to write something like this:

"Okay, isn't it enough you keep printing Jensen's untrue drivel, and keep ignoring mine? I'm just sick of seeing the same old same old every week!

Why don't you encourage Jensen to dredge up some OTHER vaccine conspiracy theory just to shake things up a bit?

Let's get this clear, even though you won't print my letter anyways:

THERE IS NO MERCURY IN THE VACCINES. THERE NEVER WAS METHYLMERCURY IN THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, ESPECIALLY MMR!!!!!

Did you READ it THAT time. How many times do I have write it??

I really don't care if your paper wants parents to read this crap Jensen keeps writing. I really don't care that you don't care if kids die from measles or pertussis. I'M JUST SICK OF SEEING YOU PRINT IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!

I beg you, enough already!

Love Eos."

Fricken IDIOTS!!! I HATE that paper!!

/rant

*breathes*

Is there a competing paper anywhere in the general area in which you live - particularly one that might not like the ANAL ORIFICER (I think that was your papers name).??

[Eos of the Eons]

Yeah. The Advocate printed my letter, but the Express ignores me and keeps printing the crap instead. This thread is due to my frustration on that. I don't think the papers compete at all though. I'm just glad the Advocate is the daily paper. The Express is free though, and delivered to EVERYBODY in town. Hardly anyone would have seen my letter in the Advocate, but EVERYBODY will see Jensen's letters.

[CFLarsen]

Yeah. The Advocate printed my letter, but the Express ignores me and keeps printing the crap instead. This thread is due to my frustration on that. I don't think the papers compete at all though. I'm just glad the Advocate is the daily paper. The Express is free though, and delivered to EVERYBODY in town. Hardly anyone would have seen my letter in the Advocate, but EVERYBODY will see Jensen's letters.

Buy an ad.

If they refuse it, you can contact bigger newspapers with a prrrrrrrrretty good story on how that paper suppresses an alternate (and, as it happens, the correct!) viewpoint about vaccines.

[Yahzi]

The people to blame are the vaccine makers.

The reason woos can peddle their woo is because people aren't dying in droves. The success of the vaccines has not only eradicated the disease, but the memory of the need for them.

It's the same reason vets keep dogs caged after an operation. The dog starts to feel better, and immediately goes back to doing what got it hurt in the first place, before it can actually heal. This is because dogs are dumb. I love them, but they are dumb.

People, on the other hand ,are stupid. The difference is that one of them is optional.

[Kaarjuus]

THERE IS NO MERCURY IN THE VACCINES. THERE NEVER WAS METHYLMERCURY IN THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, ESPECIALLY MMR!!!!!


Sorry, but a cursory Wikipedia glance says that a number of vaccines, including those given to very young children, have contained thimerosal. Which contains mercury. Which is metabolized into ethylmercury in the body. Or not?

[Hydrogen Cyanide]

Sorry, but a cursory Wikipedia glance says that a number of vaccines, including those given to very young children, have contained thimerosal. Which contains mercury. Which is metabolized into ethylmercury in the body. Or not?

Not... especially in Canada where Eos lives (thimerosal was removed from pediatric vaccines there long before they were removed in the USA). Also, the ethylmercury in the content that used to be used was never a real issue.

Wikipedia is not the best resourse for this information. For the USA the contents are listed here: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

[Hydrogen Cyanide]

Not... especially in Canada ...

Canadian references...
From 1999: http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/99vol25/25sup/acs7.html

From 2002 (where it is noted that the only pediatric vaccine in 1999 in Canada, HepB, is now available thimerosal free): http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/02vol28/dr2809ea.html

[Eos of the Eons]

Thanks HCN. I wouldn't be here ranting like an idiot if what I was saying was not thoroughly checked out. Not only that, but MMR has never contained the preservative. Double not only that, but the preservative never caused autism in the first place. These people would rather take their chances with diseases that kill than prevent them with a method that has been proven safe just because some idiots want to peddle their alternatives. We need people to stop lying about the safety of vaccination.

And CF, thank you for the suggestion, but I'm not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on their bad excuse for a newspaper just to get my humble layperson opinion in it. If that's what it takes, then the paper is further highlighting their bias.

Wikipedia is constantly being edited by whatever "side", so I really would not rely on it as a reference.

[Dancing David]

:boxedin: Yeah. I can't do anything but whine. Thank you for your empathy.

I just want my kids safe. Herd immunity would be nice, but knowing all this stuff that goes on to make vaccination rates fall, I just better make sure my kids get all their vaccines.

Hey, I need an updated resource like this:
http://www.calgaryhealthregion.ca/clin/cme/pophlth/phu0302.pdf

That addresses the mercury claims.

I'll bet Jensen's grandkid gets fish to eat once in a while. No calls for fish to be mercury free. There's more mercury in a carrot than there ever is in even the flu vaccines, and it's methylmercury that is in FOOD.


Your not whining, your outrage is justified, who will suffer, the children of these idiots. My daughter (who is 21) has an asociate whose mother had a doctor fake the vaccination certificate. So what is going to happen in he meets someone with a measles infection?

[Dancing David]

Actually, it's Lisa's fault, but that is probably a derail.

I blame George Bush.

[wollery]

Your not whining, your outrage is justified, who will suffer, the children of these idiots. My daughter (who is 21) has an asociate whose mother had a doctor fake the vaccination certificate. So what is going to happen in he meets someone with a measles infection?:jaw-dropp

Get that doctor struck off!!! :mad:


Seriously, that's an incredible breach of medical ethics, and probably a criminal offence!

[Eos of the Eons]

Hm. I know of one really loony doctor that did that, and she was delicensed, and now is really mad. The conspiracy nuts say this proves there are consequences for doctors that "question" vaccination. Thing is, you should see the other nutty things she says: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/day.html

Can we find out the doc that faked the records in the associate's case?

[CFLarsen]

And CF, thank you for the suggestion, but I'm not willing to spend hundreds of dollars on their bad excuse for a newspaper just to get my humble layperson opinion in it. If that's what it takes, then the paper is further highlighting their bias.

Find out what an ad costs (it doesn't have to be a full page). We could have a JREF-a-thon.

[ysabella]

I would kick in. I get so tired of this. And on forums about parenting you read things like "I'm sick of schools hiding the vaccine exemption clause from parents" and it just disturbs me.

Which reminds me, I was going to start a thread with an immunization question. I should go do that.

[gnome]

Actually, isn't it libel? You could speak to some local providers of vaccines, and theoretically their organization could sue the paper for the claims they are injecting kids with mercury.

[PeterB]

Sorry, but a cursory Wikipedia glance says that a number of vaccines, including those given to very young children, have contained thimerosal. Which contains mercury. Which is metabolized into ethylmercury in the body. Or not?

The original poster mentioned methylmercury which is a different compound altogether (although the anti-vaccination liars will call on deranged "experts" like Professor Boyd Haley to say otherwise). MMR has never contained mercury and anyone who says that it has is either mistaken or, after being given the facts, lying.

The ethylmercury which used to come from the thimerosal which used to be in vaccines is cleared from the body quite quickly.