I made an alternative 9/11 Timeline!

[Johnny Pixels]

Hold on, it's broken ETA: That's not meant to be a joke, there's something up that I need to fix.

[WildCat]

I think some formatting is in order... :boxedin:

[Johnny Pixels]

Ok, now it works. There are some deliberate mistakes in there, but I've not seen a real one from the CT side of things.

8th August 1999:

Boeing loans two 767 aircraft to EADS (European Aeronautic and Space Company) for research into automatic guidance and landing systems

10th July 2001:

Boeing recalls 767 aircraft from EADS, flies them to Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

8th-9th September 2001:

Cabling upgrades occur in the WTC. This results in a power down over night for several hours. While security is down operatives move in to plant explosive charges in the tower.

10th September 2001:

Osama Bin Laden visit hospital on the advice of his CIA handler

Two separate trucks are moved to the underground garages of the WTC towers.

11th September 2001:

7:59 - AA11 Takes off
8:14 - UA175 Takes off
8:19 - AA11 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:20 - AA77 Takes off
8:30 - 59-2584, a Boeing B-52G Stratofortress takes off from Paine Field, Snohorrish county, Washington

8:35 - EADS 767s leave Fort Bragg en route for New York, under the remote control of operatives, most likely in Houston, Texas.

8:42 - UA93 takes off
8:46 - Truck bomb in WTC parking garage detonated
8:46:40 - EADS 767 hits North Tower
8:47 - UA 175 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:56 - AA77 Pilot turns off transponder
9:03:11 - EADS 767 hits South Tower
9:03:12 - Truck bomb detonates in OSuth Tower parking garage
9:15 - Workers enter North Tower disguised as firemen to check integrity of explosives

9:18 - Workers enter South Tower for same purpose.
9:30 - 59-2584 changes transponder code to that of AA77

WTC 7 Evacuated to allow explosives operatives in

9:34 - NEADS advised that AA77 is missing
9:35 - 59-2584 Launches Boeing AGM-86A Air Launched Cruise Missile away from the Pentagon

9:36 - 59-2584 Circles area caausing confusion over its radar return, and that of the ALCM.

ALCM circles to allow its GPS to obtain a location fix

9:37 - ALCM obtains fix and dives to ground skimming altitude. Its hardwired programming includes jinking to avoid antiaircraft fire. Ths causes it to damage several lightpoles

9:37:45 - ALCM launches "cluster" 3 part warhead

59 - 2584 heads towards Shanksville

9:37:46 - Warhead strikes Pentagon, leaving several irregular holes, immediately followed by ALCM. This creates a fireball from the jet engine on the missile, as it was 'short-launched' and so did not use the majority of its 360km range fuel tank.

9:58 - "NYPD" helicopter reports possible collapse of just the top section of WTC 2, and recommends detonation
9:58:59 - WTC 2 detonated
10:03 - 59 - 2584 drops explosives and pre-burned plane parts from its 1024 cubic foot bomb bay over a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania.

10:25 - Explosives experts clear North Tower
10:28:25 - North Tower Detonated
10:30 - Firebombs detonated in WTC 7 to provide smoke and flames
10:46 - "Hijacked" Flights land at Fort Bragg, North Carolina.
17:10 - Larry Silverstein decides the public have seen enough smoke, and orders demolition of WTC 7

17:20 - WTC 7 detonated

[Hutch]

Johnny, is this something you have come up with by adding together a number of CT'ers theories? Or did you compose this on your own? Either way, it is a nice piece of work...wrong as wrong could be, but a nice piece of work.

Couple of things to note:

1. Fort Bragg is over 500 miles away from New York City. Having planes take off at 0835 and crash at 0846 and 0903 (11 and 28 minutes respectively) is a bit too much to ask unless these bogus 767's had been outfitted with SR-71 Engines...

2. Also, you have the B52 leaving Washington State at 0830and launching it's cruise missile at 0935--don't think a Stratofortress has quite that turn of speed.

3. Simmons Army Airfield at Fort Bragg only has one runway, 4,650 feet long by 100 ft wide, not really accomodating for a couple of heavy jets. Plus as this google image shows, there is really no place to hide big planes like the 767 and 757 and being that the field is next to an Interstate highway, you would think SOMEBODY would have noticed that type of activity...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=fort%20bragg%2C%20NC&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images&sa=N&tab=il

If this is from the CT'ers, they really need to do some research (I found the information on Simmons in 3 minutes). If it is yours, not bad for a first draft, but may I suggest Pope AFB, same area as Fort Bragg, but it has a 7,500 x 150 runway which is more likely to accomodate heavy aircraft. And get the times set to a standard EST.

Press on.

[Johnny Pixels]

Johnny, is this something you have come up with by adding together a number of CT'ers theories? Or did you compose this on your own? Either way, it is a nice piece of work...wrong as wrong could be, but a nice piece of work.

It was kind of a mix. I made some bits up where I felt it wasn't explained well enough by the CTs, and not very well I must admit.

Couple of things to note:

1. Fort Bragg is over 500 miles away from New York City. Having planes take off at 0835 and crash at 0846 and 0903 (11 and 28 minutes respectively) is a bit too much to ask unless these bogus 767's had been outfitted with SR-71 Engines...

Haha I admit, my US geography is a bit bad. I googled a map of the US and saw North Carolina being near New York State, so Fort Bragg sprang to mind. I might need to tweak those times.

2. Also, you have the B52 leaving Washington State at 0830and launching it's cruise missile at 0935--don't think a Stratofortress has quite that turn of speed.

This one was kind of one purpose. I looked for a list of bases with B-52s, and actually found a list with (I think) static displays. I looked for one near Washington, saw Washington, realised it was the State, and not DC, but I thought I'd see who noticed.

3. Simmons Army Airfield at Fort Bragg only has one runway, 4,650 feet long by 100 ft wide, not really accomodating for a couple of heavy jets. Plus as this google image shows, there is really no place to hide big planes like the 767 and 757 and being that the field is next to an Interstate highway, you would think SOMEBODY would have noticed that type of activity...

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=fort%20bragg%2C%20NC&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images&sa=N&tab=il

My only real experience of Fort Bragg is a book I got at a boot fair, from the Superbase series. I bought it becuase it has lots of full page photos of aircraft.

If this is from the CT'ers, they really need to do some research (I found the information on Simmons in 3 minutes). If it is yours, not bad for a first draft, but may I suggest Pope AFB, same area as Fort Bragg, but it has a 7,500 x 150 runway which is more likely to accomodate heavy aircraft. And get the times set to a standard EST.

Press on.

I mainly made it because I asked CTs to provide me with a timeline as they saw the events on 9/11. They refused, so I made one myself in an attempt to spur them on, and let them change the details as they see fit. I doubt they ever will, because it means they'll have to nail down some things, and they don't like commitment.

Some of the ideas I have seen floated around, like the air launched cruise missile. I chose that one because it's made by Boeing, and it looks like a small aircraft. The truck bombs I invented, because they claim explosions in the basement, so I figured truck bombs were a better bet than planting explosives down there, after all, the '93 bombing was successful in causing damage. The bad guys disguised as fire fighters came from people suggesting that the fire department was in on it, from the whole Larry Silverstein "pull it" angle. The B-52 I think I read somewhere about it being "seen", but I needed something to launch the ALCM, and then I guessed it might as well drop the debris in Shanksville. The 1024 cubic feet figure is a fact I got from Duxford aerodrome in England, where they have a B-52 on display. The number for the B-52 is the one on display at the airfield in Washington. The transponder codes I made up because it sounded like a good diversion tactic.

I guess I kinda wanted test CTs as well, to see if they'd check any of the facts. But I think I'll polish it up a bit, and maybe one will bite...

[Johnny Pixels]

Version 2: Edits starred. Times need changing though.

8th August 1999:

Boeing loans two 767 aircraft to EADS (European Aeronautic and Space Company) for research into automatic guidance and landing systems

10th July 2001:

Boeing recalls 767 aircraft from EADS, flies them to *Pope Air Force Base, North Carolina*.

8th-9th September 2001:

Cabling upgrades occur in the WTC. This results in a power down over night for several hours. While security is down operatives move in to plant explosive charges in the tower.

10th September 2001:

Osama Bin Laden visit hospital on the advice of his CIA handler

Two separate trucks are moved to the underground garages of the WTC towers.

11th September 2001:


*7:15 - EADS 767s leave Fort Bragg en route for New York, under the remote control of operatives, most likely in Houston, Texas.*
7:59 - AA11 Takes off
8:14 - UA175 Takes off
8:19 - AA11 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:20 - AA77 Takes off
8:30 - 59-2584, a Boeing B-52G Stratofortress takes off from *Langley Air Force Base, Virginia*
8:42 - UA93 takes off
8:46 - Truck bomb in WTC parking garage detonated
8:46:40 - EADS 767 hits North Tower
8:47 - UA 175 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:56 - AA77 Pilot turns off transponder
9:03:11 - EADS 767 hits South Tower
9:03:12 - Truck bomb detonates in South Tower parking garage
9:15 - Workers enter North Tower disguised as firemen to check integrity of explosives

9:18 - Workers enter South Tower for same purpose.
9:30 - 59-2584 changes transponder code to that of AA77

WTC 7 Evacuated to allow explosives operatives in

9:34 - NEADS advised that AA77 is missing
9:35 - 59-2584 Launches Boeing AGM-86A Air Launched Cruise Missile away from the Pentagon

9:36 - 59-2584 Circles area caausing confusion over its radar return, and that of the ALCM.

ALCM circles to allow its GPS to obtain a location fix

9:37 - ALCM obtains fix and dives to ground skimming altitude. Its hardwired programming includes jinking to avoid antiaircraft fire. Ths causes it to damage several lightpoles

9:37:45 - ALCM launches "cluster" 3 part warhead

59 - 2584 heads towards Shanksville

9:37:46 - Warhead strikes Pentagon, leaving several irregular holes, immediately followed by ALCM. This creates a fireball from the jet engine on the missile, as it was 'short-launched' and so did not use the majority of its 360km range fuel tank.

9:58 - "NYPD" helicopter reports possible collapse of just the top section of WTC 2, and recommends detonation
9:58:59 - WTC 2 detonated
10:03 - 59 - 2584 drops explosives and pre-burned plane parts from its 1024 cubic foot bomb bay over a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania.

10:25 - Explosives experts clear North Tower
10:28:25 - North Tower Detonated
10:30 - Firebombs detonated in WTC 7 to provide smoke and flames
10:46 - "Hijacked" Flights land at *Pope AFB, North Carolina.*
17:10 - Larry Silverstein decides the public have seen enough smoke, and orders demolition of WTC 7

17:20 - WTC 7 detonated

[NobbyNobbs]

The biggest problem I see? You have people wiring 2 100+ story buildings for demolition, and doing so in only 2 days time.

It takes *months* for a much smaller building.

[Hutch]

Nice, Johnny, might even want to work NASA in Houston (Johnson Space Flight Center) as the control center (hey, give the moon hoax people something else to blane NASA for)

You know, if this was posted somewhere in the conspiracy forums (no necessariloy LC), I wonder how long it would take to spread and become part of the "CT Gospel"

Hey, it's more probable than a lot of stuff out there...no mini-nukes, no holographic planes...

Hmmm, skeptics can even write better woo than the woos...

[Hutch]

The biggest problem I see? You have people wiring 2 100+ story buildings for demolition, and doing so in only 2 days time.

It takes *months* for a much smaller building.

Ah c'mon, Nobby, have you ever seen the movie "Volcano"? The LAPD did it in 20 minutes flat!! :p :D ;)

[Blue Mountain]

09:15 Workers enter North Tower disguised as firemen to check integrity of explosives

And they did this in a 110 storey building (well, shorter due to inaccessible floors above the impact zone) with the elevators out of commmission? I'd hate to be the guy detailed to check the stuff on the 85th floor.

BTW, were the elevators in the towers out of commission after the crash, or were the ones in the bottom half of the building still working?

[gumboot]

8:30 - 59-2584, a Boeing B-52G Stratofortress takes off from *Langley Air Force Base, Virginia*


That's quite a feat, considering all the USAF B-52Gs were chopped into pieces by a giant gullotine at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ as part of the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty.

Only B-52H's remain in service... :p

-Andrew

[Cuddles]

That's quite a feat, considering all the USAF B-52Gs were chopped into pieces by a giant gullotine at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ as part of the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty.

Only B-52H's remain in service... :p

-Andrew

At least that's what they want you to think...

[Johnny Pixels]

The biggest problem I see? You have people wiring 2 100+ story buildings for demolition, and doing so in only 2 days time.

It takes *months* for a much smaller building.

Maybe I'll change it to "numerous maintainance jobs" over a period of several months, and then the "cabling upgrade" is where they wire the detonators up.

Nice, Johnny, might even want to work NASA in Houston (Johnson Space Flight Center) as the control center (hey, give the moon hoax people something else to blame NASA for)


I was thinking of mentioning NASA specifically, I guess then if I changed sending the 767s from EADS to NASA, because apparently now the shuttle can be landed by remote control, in case it is damaged and they need to evacuate the crew, and then bring the shuttle down safely.

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/060629_newtools.html

09:15 Workers enter North Tower disguised as firemen to check integrity of explosives

And they did this in a 110 storey building (well, shorter due to inaccessible floors above the impact zone) with the elevators out of commmission? I'd hate to be the guy detailed to check the stuff on the 85th floor.

BTW, were the elevators in the towers out of commission after the crash, or were the ones in the bottom half of the building still working?

Well I guess I could argue that they knew the tower wasn't coming down until they demolished it, so in fact they could take as long as they liked. I think I read somewhere that some firefighters did in fact make it up quite a way, although I'm guessing not to the impact floors.

I don't know about elevators, if they shut off automatically, or if you can still use them but are advised against it. Because of the sky lobby design I guess it's plausible that they could've used them, assuming that they knew there was no danger to 1st sky lobby because the whole thing was planned. In real life the firefighters used the stairs, because they obviously weren't in on it.

That's quite a feat, considering all the USAF B-52Gs were chopped into pieces by a giant gullotine at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ as part of the 1991 Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty.

Only B-52H's remain in service... :p

-Andrew

Spoilsport. I googled B-52 bases, and found B-52s on display, and that was good enough for me. According to http://www.stratofortress.org/where.htm there is/was B-52G 59-2584 on display at Paine Field in Washington state. It's not open for viewing at this time, and unless its indoors, I can't see outside in Google Earth (although I can see a C-130 there, suspicious if you're a CT, because its an airport and not an airbase as such). I figured that was good enough for a aircraft number, but I moved it to Langley Field, Virginia, so CTs could make the link between the CIA easier. However now I've looked up Langley it seems to only be a fighter base, so that may need to change again.

I might put in a test crash of a plane out in White Sands, under the guise of testing the surface for shuttle landings, but really to provide parts for the Pentagon and Shanksville impacts. I haven't worked out a way of getting the 757 pieces onto the lawn and into the Pentagon yet.

[Hutch]

. I haven't worked out a way of getting the 757 pieces onto the lawn and into the Pentagon yet.

Johny, the CT'ers have already worked this out. Can't remember the thread a LC (think it was in the Pentagon sub-fora) where they blamed a C-130 that departed Langley just before the "stop", eyeballed flight 77 before it hit the Pentagon, and then flew over the Flight 93 area. Speculation is that they did the dirty work.

In point of fact, there was a C130 (Minnesota National Guard, returning from a mission to the Caribbean to deliver aid) that does fit this profile, but the thought of using a Hercules to pinpoint bomb parts while nobody notices...well, lets say I was skeptical. Far as I know, the thread is still active at LC.

See, nothing is impossible for the true believer. God (or the National Guard) will deliver...

[Johnny Pixels]

Johny, the CT'ers have already worked this out. Can't remember the thread a LC (think it was in the Pentagon sub-fora) where they blamed a C-130 that departed Langley just before the "stop", eyeballed flight 77 before it hit the Pentagon, and then flew over the Flight 93 area. Speculation is that they did the dirty work.

In point of fact, there was a C130 (Minnesota National Guard, returning from a mission to the Caribbean to deliver aid) that does fit this profile, but the thought of using a Hercules to pinpoint bomb parts while nobody notices...well, lets say I was skeptical. Far as I know, the thread is still active at LC.

See, nothing is impossible for the true believer. God (or the National Guard) will deliver...

I did think about changing the B-52 for the National Guard C-130, but I haven't worked out how it bomb anything. I thought about pushing an ALCM out the back, but that's stretching things a little to far. Now maybe if it was an AC-130, and it put a few 105mm rounds into the side of the pentagon, but that doesn't account for the pentagon video of something hitting the side.

Maybe a long range firing of an ALCM by a B-2, because then I don't have to worry about it showing up on radar, and CTs love stealth planes. (I read once about a F-117A having a visual cloaking device. Makes you wonder why they bothered painting them black...) And then the C-130 acts as a decoy. That way I can discredit witnesses who saw a large plane, and claim they saw the C-130, and people that saw a small plane, saw the ALCM, because it looks a bit like a mini jet.

Then, because the C-130 also obsevered the Flight 93 smoke at Shanksville, that can be carrying plane parts to drop at the scene, and then workers get to work scattering them amidst the dirt in a semi pre dug crater. Then they let off some kind of explosive to shower the dirt, bury the parts, and make the smoke cloud for the picture taken by Val McClatchey.

I'll work on it a bit more...

[Johnny Pixels]

Version 3: Edits in red. Times still need changing. I'm still not sure about the truck bombs. They've never been mentioned by CTs, but they claim explosives in the basement, so I could just change them to planted charges during garage maintainance. The origin of the Pentagon Cruise missile has never been explained. If it was a cruise missile, there's ground launched, sea launched, or air launched. Sea and Ground use rocket boosters, and would probably show up on infrared spy satellite data. Air launched can be hidden more easily, and the B-2 will not show up on ATC radar. When it flies at Airshows it is fitted with a special device so that it does (that's if I remember correctly)

1998 - 2001

Numerous maintainance jobs throughout the World Trade Centre complex are used as cover to plant explosive charges.

8th August 1999:

Boeing loans three 767 aircraft to NASA for research into remote landing systems for the space shuttle

15th July 2000

767 crashes at White Sands while testing remote landing capability. Parts are returned to Boeing.

10th July 2001:

Boeing recalls 767 aircraft from NASA, flies them to Pope Air Force Base, North Carolina.

8th-9th September 2001:

Cabling upgrades occur in the WTC. This results in a power down over night for several hours. While security is down operatives move in to wire up explosive charges in the tower.

10th September 2001:

Osama Bin Laden visit hospital on the advice of his CIA handler

Two separate trucks are moved to the underground garages of the WTC towers.

11th September 2001:


7:15 - EADS 767s leave Pope AFB en route for New York, under the remote control of operatives, most likely at the Johnson Space Centre, Houston, Texas
7:59 - AA11 Takes off
8:14 - UA175 Takes off
8:19 - AA11 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:20 - AA77 Takes off
8:30 - Boeing B-2 Spirit takes off from Whiteman AFB Missouri
8:42 - UA93 takes off
8:46 - Truck bomb in WTC parking garage detonated
8:46:40 - EADS 767 hits North Tower
8:47 - UA 175 Pilot turns off transponder, changes course
8:56 - AA77 Pilot turns off transponder
9:03:11 - EADS 767 hits South Tower
9:03:12 - Truck bomb detonates in South Tower parking garage
9:15 - Workers enter North Tower disguised as firemen to wire up explosives not connected during fake cable upgrade

9:18 - Workers enter South Tower for same purpose.
9:30 - National Guard C-130 takes off

WTC 7 Evacuated to allow explosives operatives in

9:34 - NEADS advised that AA77 is missing
9:35 - B-2 Spirit launches Boeing AGM-86 Air Launched Cruise Missile

9:36 - C-130 Circles Pentagon area causing confusion over its radar return, and that of the ALCM.

9:37 - ALCM dives to ground skimming altitude. Its hardwired programming includes jinking to avoid anti-aircraft fire. Ths causes it to damage several lightpoles

9:37:46 - ALCM Warhead strikes Pentagon, leaving several irregular holes. This also creates a fireball from the jet engine on the missile, as it was 'short-launched' and so did not use the majority of its 360km range fuel tank.

C-130 heads towards Shanksville

9:58 - "NYPD" helicopter reports possible collapse of just the top section of WTC 2, and recommends detonation
9:58:59 - WTC 2 detonated
10:00 - C-130 drops plane parts from NASA 767 wreckage over a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania. Ground workers plant explosives to create a crater.

10:03 - Explosives detonated in Shanksville. The resulting explosion and smoke cloud is captured by Val McClatchey in a photograph

10:25 - Explosives experts clear North Tower
10:28:25 - North Tower Detonated
10:30 - Firebombs detonated in WTC 7 to provide smoke and flames
10:46 - "Hijacked" Flights land at Pope AFB, North Carolina.
17:10 - Larry Silverstein decides the public have seen enough smoke, and orders demolition of WTC 7

17:20 - WTC 7 detonated

[Hishighness]

It's quite obvious to all who watched that both the planes and the towers were holograms. We all know this in our hearts we just can't bring ourselves to admit it.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So help me Johnny, if this shows up on any CT'ers sites I will send my ninja monkeys to your house.

[Hishighness]

Can you send them to my house? We have a squirrel problem.

[Darth Rotor]

I did think about changing the B-52 for the National Guard C-130, but I haven't worked out how it bomb anything. Then, because the C-130 also obsevered the Flight 93 smoke at Shanksville, that can be carrying plane parts to drop at the scene, and then workers get to work scattering them amidst the dirt in a semi pre dug crater. Then they let off some kind of explosive to shower the dirt, bury the parts, and make the smoke cloud for the picture taken by Val McClatchey.

I'll work on it a bit more...
Try an MC-130 dropping a BLU - 82 (Daisy Cutter) where Flight 93 crashed. That would give a nice big bang/boom, scare the neighbors, and have a big visual signature.
From: http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/asetds/u-b.html
The BLU-82/B 6800 kg (15000 lb) general-purpose blast bomb (nicknamed "Big Blue 82") is one of the largest non-nuclear bombs ever developed and used by the U.S. Air Force. It can only be dropped by specially modified MC-130 Hercules transport aircraft. The BLU-82/B is loaded onto a cradle, and stored in the MC-130's cargo hold. Minimum drop altitude is about 1830 m (6000 ft) above ground (otherwise, the MC-130 could be endangered by the bomb's blast), and because the weapon has no guidance of its own, the delivery aircraft has to be flown very precisely over the computed release point. The cradle with the bomb is then pulled out of the aircraft by an extraction parachute, after which the bomb separates from the cradle and descends in a nose-down attitude under its own stablization and retarding parachute. The BLU-82/B is fitted with a 96.5 cm (38 in) long "Daisy Cutter" fuze extension in the nose to trigger an above-ground explosion. This optimizes the blast effect and reduces undesired crater creation. For reasons which are not quite clear, the name "Daisy Cutter" has come into use as a nickname for the bomb itself instead of the fuzing system.
DR

[Johnny Pixels]

So help me Johnny, if this shows up on any CT'ers sites I will send my ninja monkeys to your house.

I'm thinking about trying to find a 9/11 forum that I can register on and post it to "as a result of hard work and many hours of research", try to get them to accept it and then gradually change it bit by bit until it matches the real timeline. Dunno if it'll work though

[gumboot]

I'm thinking about trying to find a 9/11 forum that I can register on and post it to "as a result of hard work and many hours of research", try to get them to accept it and then gradually change it bit by bit until it matches the real timeline. Dunno if it'll work though

I've junst finished compiling a NORAD response timeline, and funnily enough your timeline actually fits in rather neatly with NORAD's response...

Part of NORADs problem was the huge number of false alarms, double-up of aircraft, etc etc etc... with the B2, the C-130, the cruise missile and the NASA aircraft involved, that explains all the extra radar contacts...

:p

-Andrew

[jhunter1163]

Bump!

[TK0001]

I've been thinking about doing the same thing JP did here and presenting it to CTists, but I didn't even know how to start. Thankfully, JP already did.

I'd like to see this broken down by building, to make it easier to read. It'll actually still be confusing, but that's the point.

I'd like to see Cleveland involved in it somewhere. Remember, the flights that "supposedly" crashed into the towers actually landed in Cleveland, where all the passengers were shot on sight and buried in a mass grave (in.....Abu Dhabi, let's say). Also, one 767 was chopped into little bits and buried in various pits located all over the world, and the other 767 was put back into service.

I'll try to break it down by building and add the Cleveland "info" into it somehow...

[TK0001]

Bump!

Thanks!

[rikzilla]

I'm thinking about trying to find a 9/11 forum that I can register on and post it to "as a result of hard work and many hours of research", try to get them to accept it and then gradually change it bit by bit until it matches the real timeline. Dunno if it'll work though

No Johnny! don't spoil your hard work by introducing it in a bad way! We need a plausible backstory. We need a made up Army intel officer...a guy privy to unencrypted data traffic perhaps. I used to work at the Pentagon Army Tech Control and we had access to the raw data via the "black side" jackfields vs the post-encryption jackfield known as the "red side".

We could say this telecom guy recorded black side traffic from NSA FEMA etc to get this timeline....eh?? eh??? A "loyal" American whistleblower!!! CTers will eat up a plausible back-story my friend! Also let's get this guy on the run...posting from libraries and internet cafes....a "fugitive" hunted by the neo-cons!! C'mon this could be fun!!

;)

-z

[TK0001]

I just added this as the first item:

1997

Funded by the US government black budget, scientists secretly invent an explosive that can evade bomb-sniffing dogs, be remotely detonated without the use of wires, and be quickly affixed to support columns.

After handing over this new technology to the government, these scientists are rewarded with the knowledge that they'll never have to pay taxes again, then they are killed.


This might be pretty fun...

[chipmunk stew]

No Johnny! don't spoil your hard work by introducing it in a bad way! We need a plausible backstory. We need a made up Army intel officer...a guy privy to unencrypted data traffic perhaps. I used to work at the Pentagon Army Tech Control and we had access to the raw data via the "black side" jackfields vs the post-encryption jackfield known as the "red side".

We could say this telecom guy recorded black side traffic from NSA FEMA etc to get this timeline....eh?? eh??? A "loyal" American whistleblower!!! CTers will eat up a plausible back-story my friend! Also let's get this guy on the run...posting from libraries and internet cafes....a "fugitive" hunted by the neo-cons!! C'mon this could be fun!!

;)

-z
Hey, we could come up with a screenname and password and PM them to a bunch of folks (along with the backstory) and have this guy post all over the place using "hi-tech IP masking"!! Yeah yeah!! I'm in!!

[TK0001]

I realized I needed to go further back in order to adequately explain Silverstein's evil, government-supported insurance scam:

1993

FBI operatives detonate a truck full of explosives in the parking garage of the North Tower. The incident is blamed on Islamic extremists, but is actually staged so that Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC, can obtain a higher insurance policy on the complex.

In exchange for the government’s cooperation, Silverstein agrees to vote for George W. Bush if and when he ever runs for president.

[TK0001]

Timeline for the destruction of the WTC North Tower

1993

FBI operatives detonate a truck full of explosives in the parking garage of the North Tower. The incident is blamed on Islamic extremists, but is actually staged so that Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC, can obtain a higher insurance policy on the complex.

In exchange for the government’s cooperation, Silverstein agrees to vote for George W. Bush if and when he ever runs for president.

1997

Funded by the US government black budget, scientists secretly invent an explosive that can evade bomb-sniffing dogs, be remotely detonated without the use of wires, and be quickly affixed to support columns. This new explosive is called C-5.

After handing over this new technology to the government, these scientists are rewarded with the knowledge that they'll never have to pay taxes again, and then they are killed.

1999

Silverstein begins process of upgrading the insurance policy on the WTC complex.

1998 - 2001

Numerous maintenance jobs throughout the North Tower are used as cover to plant C-5.

8th August 2001

Silverstein awarded new, upgraded insurance policy.

10th September 2001

Osama Bin Laden visits hospital on the advice of his CIA handler.

A moving van, full of explosives, is parked in the underground garage of the North Tower.


11th September 2001

7:59 - AA11 takes off from Logan International Airport in Boston, Massachusetts.
8:19 - AA11 pilot, a covert CIA operative, turns off transponder and changes course.
8:30 – AA11 lands safely in Cleveland. All passengers and flight crew are shot to death. Their bodies are dumped in a mass grave in Abu Dhabi. AA11 is chopped into small pieces and buried in various spots all over the world.
8:31 – A Global Hawk (drone airplane) takes off from Cleveland and heads for New York.
8:46 - Truck bomb in North Tower parking garage remotely detonates.
8:46:40 – Global Hawk smashes into North Tower.
9:15 – Explosives experts enter North Tower disguised as firemen to check on C-5 charges.
10:25 - Explosives experts clear North Tower.
10:28:25 – C-5 detonated, collapsing North Tower.



Anything else I should add?

ETA: this didn't turn out to be fun at all; after having to explain away the bodies of the passengers, it turned rather sad.

[Blue Mountain]

ETA: this didn't turn out to be fun at all; after having to explain away the bodies of the passengers, it turned rather sad.
The passengers are still alive. According to a documentatry I saw on either the CBC or Quebec-2 (sorry, can't remember its name right now), the stop in Cleveland was intended to be for refuelling only. That part of the plan got mucked up because of the no-fly order.

So the passengers were herded into an unused portion of a hangar at the far end of the airport and held for three days, with drugs added to the water to make sure they weren't fully conscious. Under cover of night, they were reloaded either on that that jet or two or three others (can't recall that detail too clearly) and flown to a secret CIA base in the Philippines.

There they've been subjected to intensive drug and psychic aided brainwashing, as well as cosmetic surgury. Once they've been sufficently reprogrammed to believe their new life story, they're returned to the States to take up their new lives in a community at least 2,000 miles away from where they last lived.

[Bell]

November 18, 1997, the JFK Assassination Records Review Board releases to the public the previous secret document on operation Northwood. This document is the blueprint for operation 9/11.

(something liek this?)

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November 18, 1997, the JFK Assassination Records Review Board releases to the public the previous secret document on operation Northwood. This document is the blueprint for operation 9/11.

(something liek this?)

Yes, something like that indeed. Thanks.

[TK0001]

The passengers are still alive. According to a documentatry I saw on either the CBC or Quebec-2 (sorry, can't remember its name right now), the stop in Cleveland was intended to be for refuelling only. That part of the plan got mucked up because of the no-fly order.

So the passengers were herded into an unused portion of a hangar at the far end of the airport and held for three days, with drugs added to the water to make sure they weren't fully conscious. Under cover of night, they were reloaded either on that that jet or two or three others (can't recall that detail too clearly) and flown to a secret CIA base in the Philippines.

There they've been subjected to intensive drug and psychic aided brainwashing, as well as cosmetic surgury. Once they've been sufficently reprogrammed to believe their new life story, they're returned to the States to take up their new lives in a community at least 2,000 miles away from where they last lived.

Good stuff. I'll add it nearly verbatum. Since I'm basically plagiarizing JP's work, I really don't mind. ;)

I felt crappy for making light of the passengers the way I did, but this is better somehow. It's not even remotely the truth, and therefore could be looked at as disrespectful, but somehow it feels better to fantasize that they could still be alive somewhere.

I'm working on the South Tower timeline right now. Then I'll do the Pentagon, then WTC 7. After that I'll probably merge everything back together to show exactly how convoluted and impossible the timeline is.

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Updated:

Timeline for the destruction of the WTC North Tower

1993

FBI operatives detonate a truck full of explosives in the parking garage of the North Tower. The incident is blamed on Islamic extremists, but is actually staged so that Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC, can obtain a higher insurance policy on the complex.

In exchange for the government’s cooperation, Silverstein agrees to vote for George W. Bush if and when he ever runs for president.

1997

Funded by the US government black budget, scientists secretly invent an explosive that can evade bomb-sniffing dogs, be remotely detonated without the use of wires, and be quickly affixed to support columns. This new explosive is called C-5.

After handing over this new technology to the government, these scientists are rewarded with the knowledge that they'll never have to pay taxes again, and then they are killed.

18 November 1997

The JFK Assassination Records Review Board creates and releases to the public the Operation Northwoods document. This document is the blueprint for operation 9/11. It describes a method of fooling the American public into demanding a war upon Cuba which involves several government-sponsored fake attacks upon American citizens, after which the blame would be placed upon Castro.

The reason the government gives for relasing this information is to see just how perceptive the American public will be if/when a similar operation is launched in the future. They know whomever links the catastrophic future event to Operation Northwoods will be super-intelligent and therefore, trouble.

1999

Silverstein begins process of upgrading the insurance policy on the WTC complex.

1998 - 2001

Numerous maintenance jobs throughout the North Tower are used as cover to plant C-5.

8th August 2001

Silverstein awarded new, upgraded insurance policy.

10th September 2001

Osama Bin Laden visits hospital on the advice of his CIA handler.

A moving van, full of explosives, is parked in the underground garage of the North Tower.


11th September 2001

7:59 - AA11 takes off from Logan International Airport in Boston, Massachusetts.

8:19 - AA11 pilot, a covert CIA operative, turns off transponder and changes course.

8:30 – AA11 lands safely in Cleveland, where it is chopped into small pieces and buried in various spots all over the world. Prior to the destruction of AA11, the passengers disembark and are herded into an unused portion of a hangar at the far end of the airport. There they are held for three days in a drug-induced stupor (drugs are added to water which the passengers are forced to drink). After the third day, under cover of night, they are loaded onto two or three jets and flown to a secret CIA base in the Philippines.

There they are subjected to intensive drug and psychic-aided brainwashing, as well as cosmetic surgery. Once they're sufficently reprogrammed to believe their new government-invented life story, they're returned to the States to take up their new lives in a community at least 2,000 miles away from where they last lived. In their new fake lives, covert government operatives act as wives, husbands, children, mothers, fathers, grandparents, brothers, sisters, and friends.

8:31 – A Global Hawk (drone airplane) takes off from Cleveland and heads for New York.

8:46 - Truck bomb in North Tower parking garage remotely detonates.

8:46:40 – Global Hawk smashes into North Tower.

9:15 – Explosives experts enter North Tower disguised as firemen to check on C-5 charges.

10:25 - Explosives experts clear North Tower.

10:28:25 – C-5 detonated, collapsing North Tower.

[TK0001]

The South Tower timeline is nearly a carbon-copy of the North Tower one, so I decided to move on to the Pentagon:

Timeline for the incident at the Pentagon


11th September 2001


8:20 - AA77 takes off from Dulles International Airport, near Washington DC.

8:30 - Boeing B-2 Spirit takes off from Whiteman AFB Missouri.

8:56 - AA77 pilot, a covert CIA operative, turns off transponder.

9:30 - National Guard C-130 takes off.

9:31 – AA77 lands safely in Cleveland. The passengers disembark and are herded into an unused portion of a hangar at the far end of the airport. There they are held for three days in a drug-induced stupor (drugs are added to water which the passengers are forced to drink). After the third day, under cover of night, they are loaded onto two or three jets and flown to a secret CIA base in the Philippines.

There they are subjected to intensive drug and psychic-aided brainwashing, as well as cosmetic surgery. Once they're sufficiently reprogrammed to believe their new government-invented life story, they're returned to the States to take up their new lives in a community at least 2,000 miles away from where they last lived. In their new fake lives, covert government operatives act as wives, husbands, children, mothers, fathers, grandparents, brothers, sisters, and friends.

9:34 - NEADS advised that AA77 is missing, as planned.

9:35 - B-2 Spirit launches modified Boeing AGM-86 Air Launched Cruise Missile at the Pentagon.

9:36 - C-130 circles Pentagon area causing confusion over its radar return, and that of the ALCM.

9:36:30 - Pentagon police conclude their perimeter check and conclude no witnesses are on the lawn. Video shows them returning to the Pentagon.

9:37 - ALCM dives to ground skimming altitude. Its hardwired programming includes evasion to avoid anti-aircraft fire. This causes it to smash into and knock over 5 light poles on its approach to the Pentagon. Miraculously, the missile is undamaged by these collisions.

9:37:45 – C-130 drops 767 wreckage toward the direction of the Pentagon lawn.

9:37:46 - ALCM strikes Pentagon, leaving several irregular holes. This also creates a huge fireball from the modified jet engine that was previously mounted to the missile to make it look in the aftermath that a plane had struck the Pentagon. Milliseconds prior to impacting the Pentagon, the missile’s onboard mega-vacuum turns on in order to suck most of the falling 767 wreckage dropped from the C-130 into the holes it’s about to create in the side of the Pentagon.

Mission complete, the C-130 heads towards Shanksville.

9:40-11:15 – Covert CIA operatives report seeing an airplane, not a missile, crash into the Pentagon while FBI agents confiscate surveillance videos from the surrounding area that show parking lots, hotel entrances and gas pumps. The FBI creates new videos that shows a CGI Pentagon and a CGI 767 and stores them in a secret bunker.


Anything I missed? Do the CT nuts believe that AA77, UA175, and AA11 all landed in Cleveland, or are there other insanely stupid theories?

[Bell]

Timeline for the incident at the Pentagon

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9:37 (?) Pentagon police conclude their perimeter check, conclude no witnesses are on the lawn. Video shows them returning to the Pentagon.

9:40 - 11:15 FBI agents confiscate surveillance videos that show a lot of parking lots, hotel entrances and gaspumps. The FBI creates new videos that shows a CGI Pentagon and a CGI 767, but failes to release these tapes.

[TK0001]

9:37 (?) Pentagon police conclude their perimeter check, conclude no witnesses are on the lawn. Video shows them returning to the Pentagon.

9:40 - 11:15 FBI agents confiscate surveillance videos that show a lot of parking lots, hotel entrances and gaspumps. The FBI creates new videos that shows a CGI Pentagon and a CGI 767, but failes to release these tapes.

Excellent, thanks. Forgot about those pesky gas pump targeted surveillance tapes.

Added.

[TK0001]

Timeline for the incident at Shanksville

11 September 2001

8:42 – UA93 takes off from Newark International Airport, Newark New Jersey.

10:00:15 - C-130 drops remaining 767 wreckage over a field in Shanksville Pennsylvania.

10:01 – Ground workers plant explosives in the ground in order to create a crater.

10:03 - Explosives detonated in Shanksville. Val McClatchey, a CIA operative, takes a photograph which captures the ensuing smoke cloud.

10:11 – UA93 lands safely at Pope AFB, North Carolina. The passengers are drugged and join the other passengers of AA77, AA11, and UA175 in relocation program in Philippines.

13 September 2001

CIA photo experts, after deeming McClatchey’s photo "too unrealistic", use Photoshop to create a more realistic plume on the digital photo.




This one seems a bit light, but I could always go with NORAD standing down/shooting down flight 93 to beef it up. I just wanted to avoid sounding like I'm joking about the victims.

[TK0001]

Timeline for the destruction of WTC7

1998 - 2001

US government exhaustively trains members of the FDNY how to plant enough C-5 in a 47 floor office building so as to bring it down neatly in its own footprint. The training concludes when the entire process can be achieved by only a few firefighters in a span of three hours. In this same time period, the government plants computer chips in each firefighter’s brain so they can be remotely activated.

Each day after training, via the computer chip, artificial memories are planted into the firefighters’ heads so that they have no recollection of the training, but still subconsciously retain it.


11 September 2001

9:30 - WTC7 evacuated of employees.

9:49:59 – Larry Silverstein presses a mind-control button, summoning a handful of firefighters closest to the building.

9:50 – A group of FDNY firefighters jump to attention, enter WTC7, and methodically plant C-5 as trained.

10:00 – Megasmoke bombs planted near WTC7’s south side windows.

10:30 – Megasmoke bombs detonated in order to create the illusion of fire.

13:15 – Firefighters, still under Silverstein’s control, evacuate the building.

17:10 - Larry Silverstein decides the public has seen enough smoke, and orders demolition of WTC7 by saying the previously assigned trigger words “Pull it”.

17:20 - WTC7 detonated.


As always, additions are welcome.

I'm going to smash all these timelines together and create a new thread for it.

[Bell]

This one seems a bit light, but I could always go with NORAD standing down/shooting down flight 93 to beef it up. I just wanted to avoid sounding like I'm joking about the victims.

Agreed. I could think up a couple of conspiracies involving the passengers and victims at the Pentagon, WTC and first responders, but I find that inapropiate. It p*$$es me off when Dylan and his minnions are talking about aledged passengers :mad:


On a side note:

Augustus 2001 Hollywood actor and FBI cooperative James Woods, boards an airplane and makes a testrun together with some of the fake hijackers. After the testrun he reports back to the FBI that as far as his acting experience goes, the men behaved truly convincely as terrorists.

2003 FBI ones again contacts James Woods to have him portray mayor Giuliani in Rudy: The Rudy Giuliani Story. This is a fictional film about Giuliani and the events in NY at 9/11.

[Blue Mountain]

Good stuff. I'll add it nearly verbatim. Since I'm basically plagiarizing JP's work, I really don't mind. ;)

I felt crappy for making light of the passengers the way I did, but this is better somehow. It's not even remotely the truth, and therefore could be looked at as disrespectful, but somehow it feels better to fantasize that they could still be alive somewhere.
How do you know it isn't the truth? Just asking questions ...