Help with precogniton

[The 3rd eye]

Iv been having the feeling of daja vu since I can remember and as Iv got hen older it has become more often and stronger more than just daja vu. Now when these events happen its as if iv seen, heard and felt the same before even thou iv never been in these places or been thinking of this thing before. Its not so much what im seeing hearing or feeling but as how long it lasts. Iv had ‘’daja vu’’ last for 4-5seconds and even events were I felt what was going to happen next. Ones were iv said out ‘’daja vu’’ and just as iv said it I realize that by saying daja vu it was creating another daja vu ( hope you under stand that ) And over the years iv found that its related to my dreams. This has been happening to me from when I was small so iv been used to it and its never effected my life directly. So IV never felt the need to get to the bottom of what’s going on in my head. Till now, hence the forum.

You see I had a dream about eight months ago that when id have my friends over to MY house that something negative would happen. Now when I had the dream I was still living with my parent and had no need or plans to move out of home. As part of my collage course I do a work placement program so 6 months ago it was necessary for me to move out. So after I had moved out and finished work for the week I was going to have my friends over to have a few beers and watch a few movies. Now in remembering the dream I had I decided that the first night I could have my friends over that I would wait. Just to be sure as to nothing would happen and to have it the next day seemed to close for comfort as well. So I decide that id have them over on the third day. Now with out going into what happened that night I assure you that it was a negative thing that happened and what made it worse was the fact I first had a dream about it warning me and I also took action to avoid the event and yet it still happened.. An apparent paradox. It has been the first time that my ‘’déjà vu’’ precognition’’ has ever directly affected my life. You see up to that point I had always believed that in was my brain just gliching or chemicals going to the wrong part witch caused this feeling but I had the dream and I had remembered it also I had purposely taken action to avoided the event by waiting two days.

Ever since that night I cant stop thinking about it and when I do I just end up having’’ daja uv witch makes my think of that night and the other drams iv had.

And this is not the only screwed up thing in my life. One time I was cycling home from school with a friend and as we went or different way I have an over whelming feeling that my friend was in danger. Now as I had no dream to relate this danger and to act apon what ever comes in to my head is a sure way to the crazy house I did not pursue my friend. As it happened a car hit my friend, thankfully only a broken arm a few broses. I am now thorn between what my being told by my dreams and feelings and then the choice to act or not.

So now after 21 years i am forced to belive in precognition
So this forum is an attempt to get to the bottom as it were. I seek people who believe they have precognitive dreams or know they have precognitive dreams.

Since what has happened that night IV been righting down the dreams I feel are precognitive. But its not enough to sit and watch I need more so if you think there’s something I should know or you feel you have something to say please feel free to do so.

[thaiboxerken]

I seek people who believe they have precognitive dreams or know they have precognitive dreams.

You're in the wrong forum, bubba.

If you'd like to see if you really have your claimed superpowers, however, feel free to fill out an application for the paranormal challenge.

[Rasmus]

It has been the first time that my ‘’déjà vu’’ precognition’’ has ever directly affected my life. You see up to that point I had always believed that in was my brain just gliching or chemicals going to the wrong part witch caused this feeling but I had the dream and I had remembered it also I had purposely taken action to avoided the event by waiting two days.

Self-fulfilling prophecy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy)

You were nervous about inviting your friends, and, surprise, surprise, the meeting didn't turn out good at all. (If I was paranoid I would suggest that you already started pissing your friends off when you didn't invite them the first night around...)

Ever since that night I cant stop thinking about it and when I do I just end up having’’ daja uv witch makes my think of that night and the other drams iv had.

Those are thoughts about the past. How are they deja vus - other than that you are thinking the same things over and over again?

And this is not the only screwed up thing in my life. One time I was cycling home from school with a friend and as we went or different way I have an over whelming feeling that my friend was in danger. Now as I had no dream to relate this danger and to act apon what ever comes in to my head is a sure way to the crazy house I did not pursue my friend. As it happened a car hit my friend, thankfully only a broken arm a few broses. I am now thorn between what my being told by my dreams and feelings and then the choice to act or not.

There are many possible reasons here. It could have been a lousy coincidence. You might be guilty of remembering your hits and forgetting the misses. I.e. how many times did you have similar feelings and nothing spectacular happened at all? Maybe subconsciously you picked up on some subtle difference in the ways your friend behaved that day. (Perhaps he was a little sick, or in a slight hurry, overly hungry or anything else that might let people make mistakes in traffic. Or, perhaps, there was just more traffic than usual that day ...)

So now after 21 years i am forced to belive in precognition

Because in your life you had all of two events that seem a little odd? (At least one of which is easily explained, with the other having at least plausible explanations?)

So this forum is an attempt to get to the bottom as it were. I seek people who believe they have precognitive dreams or know they have precognitive dreams.

Sorry, I can't help you there. If that is what you really want, you are probably in the wrong forum alltogether. But, please, stay a little longer. People here will most certainly be able to help you to get to the bottom of things - it might just turn out that there's nothing special at the bottom. But if you are interested in finding out the truth, this is a good place. (And, hey, if you're actually right, you'll get tons of money, too...)

Since what has happened that night IV been righting down the dreams I feel are precognitive. But its not enough to sit and watch I need more so if you think there’s something I should know or you feel you have something to say please feel free to do so.

It's a good start. Very scientific. You might want to write down all your dreams, though. (Just in case some of them are prophetic even though they might not feel that way right after you wake up.)

Then be very precise in what you write down and how you assess things.

"Things will go wrong the very first time I invite people to my own place" is a precise prediction and can be easily verified. "I fear something bad will happen some time in some grocery store" is not very precise. Chances are that in your remaining years something bad will happen whilst you are shopping for groceries. The place might be robbed whilst you are there, or maybe you run into a pyramid of cans and knock it over or - if it comes to the worst - they are out of beer ...

[The 3rd eye]

You're in the wrong forum, bubba.

If you'd like to see if you really have your claimed superpowers, however, feel free to fill out an application for the paranormal challenge.

Ya ur right, what was i thinking, :rolleyes: a forum related to the paranormal what does that have to do with precognition ?:rolleyes:

[The 3rd eye]

You were nervous about inviting your friends, and, surprise, surprise, the meeting didn't turn out good at all. (If I was paranoid I would suggest that you already started pissing your friends off when you didn't invite them the first night around...)

Nope not nervous at all, i was looking forward to having a good time. In fact sence i went to meet them that night i completely forgot about the dream and also i didnt belive the dream.



Those are thoughts about the past. How are they deja vus - other than that you are thinking the same things over and over again?

What i ment was when i get thinking of precognition or the event out of my head i end up having daja vu and start timing about it.



There are many possible reasons here. It could have been a lousy coincidence. You might be guilty of remembering your hits and forgetting the misses. I.e. how many times did you have similar feelings and nothing spectacular happened at all? Maybe subconsciously you picked up on some subtle difference in the ways your friend behaved that day. (Perhaps he was a little sick, or in a slight hurry, overly hungry or anything else that might let people make mistakes in traffic. Or, perhaps, there was just more traffic than usual that day ...)
True my frist impresion of this event was coincidence.


Because in your life you had all of two events that seem a little odd? (At least one of which is easily explained, with the other having at least plausible explanations?)
I have way more than two events but i dont have time to type



Sorry, I can't help you there. If that is what you really want, you are probably in the wrong forum alltogether. But, please, stay a little longer. People here will most certainly be able to help you to get to the bottom of things - it might just turn out that there's nothing special at the bottom. But if you are interested in finding out the truth, this is a good place. (And, hey, if you're actually right, you'll get tons of money, too...)

I dont get, its a site for paranormal stuff why wouldnt i look for answers here.
Any ideas were to look ?



It's a good start. Very scientific. You might want to write down all your dreams, though. (Just in case some of them are prophetic even though they might not feel that way right after you wake up.)

Then be very precise in what you write down and how you assess things.



Nop im not wrighting down all my dreams cos sum are just dreams. Its the ones were im getting more than just a image almost like im reading my own thoughts at that time that im preecoging about.

Then be very precise in what you write down and how you assess things.

"Things will go wrong the very first time I invite people to my own place" is a precise prediction and can be easily verified. "I fear something bad will happen some time in some grocery store" is not very precise. Chances are that in your remaining years something bad will happen whilst you are shopping for groceries. The place might be robbed whilst you are there, or maybe you run into a pyramid of cans and knock it over or - if it comes to the worst - they are out of beer ...

Hard to responed to that as i do not wish to share what happened that night nor wish to type as it would take too long. Only that i had completly forgotin the dream untill half way throught the negitave event. But yes it is true i could just be relating the two .

Thanks for the input its always good to have a seconed opion

[Rasmus]

I dont get, its a site for paranormal stuff why wouldnt i look for answers here.

This is a sceptics forum, run by a particular sceptics organization; namely the JREF. People here are mostly unbelievers.

Any ideas were to look ?

What are you looking for?

This is a great place if you want to find out *if* what you think is true. (You might need a thicker than average skin, though.) People here can help you to accurately measure the assumed effect - as long as you are willing to accept that the effect might be nil.

So, seriously, what are you looking for?

Nop im not wrighting down all my dreams cos sum are just dreams. Its the ones were im getting more than just a image almost like im reading my own thoughts at that time that im preecoging about.

I wouldn't know how to tell apart the two kinds of dreams. You would get better and more reliable data if you looked at all your dreams. Of course, if you only want to find out *if* there is a phenomenon, then looking at just some of your dreams might be enough to confirm that. (OTOH, it makes denial a lot easier if those dreams fail to produce the expected results.)

Hard to responed to that as i do not wish to share what happened that night nor wish to type as it would take too long. Only that i had completly forgotin the dream untill half way throught the negitave event. But yes it is true i could just be relating the two .

I still find it highly likely that you at least subconsciously remembered - after all, you said that you postponed the meeting for several days, so it was important to you.

Also, there are scientific explanations for experiencing deja vus. The short version is, that your brain hickups when it processes new input. Watch as those that know more about these issues will beat me up correct me on the finder details. :D

[Jas]

I don't understand how people with the ability to see into the future, don't have the presence of mind to use a spellchecker.

[chillzero]

Nope not nervous at all, i was looking forward to having a good time. In fact sence i went to meet them that night i completely forgot about the dream and also i didnt belive the dream.


I'm curious about why you would state this, after stating that it bothered you enough to delay the get-together - twice.

[richardm]

One time I was cycling home from school with a friend and as we went or different way I have an over whelming feeling that my friend was in danger. Now as I had no dream to relate this danger and to act apon what ever comes in to my head is a sure way to the crazy house I did not pursue my friend. As it happened a car hit my friend, thankfully only a broken arm a few broses.

This sort of thing sounds significant, but it is possible that you are falling into the trap of "counting the hits and ignoring the misses". That is to say, you may get these feelings quite regularly, but you only remember them when something happens that matches that feeling.

One way to test this would be to carry a small notebook around with you and jot down a note when you have one of your feelings. If something happens that corresponds to one of your jottings - and set a timescale for this, the happening should be within a reasonable time of your note - then mark it as a hit. Be honest with yourself - don't mark it as a hit if you have a feeling about Friend 'A' but Friend 'B' falls off a ladder.

See how you get on. You may be surprised at how many of them turn out to be non-events. If you're starting to change the way you live your life because of your dreams, this may be a useful thing to do.

Also, you only give one example of your Deja Vu apparently working (when your friend was hit by a car). Got any others?

[SphereGuy]

Nop im not wrighting down all my dreams cos sum are just dreams. Its the ones were im getting more than just a image almost like im reading my own thoughts at that time that im preecoging about.

This sort of thing sounds significant, but it is possible that you are falling into the trap of "counting the hits and ignoring the misses". That is to say, you may get these feelings quite regularly, but you only remember them when something happens that matches that feeling.

This is exactly what it sounds like. When you write down all your dreams I'm sure you will see more misses. The ones that are "hits" you will remember as being significant and the ones that didn't hit you probably don't remember at all. Write down all your dreams and rate the significance on some sort of scale, then compare.

I'd also like to welcome you to the forum and to remind you that it's a skeptical forum. Chances are you are projecting significance on an everyday occurance and if you are not open to the mundane explanation (and are only open to appearance of having some sort of ability) then your experience here will not be pleasant. If you are open to some of the explanations given here then you will grow more than if you leave in a huff. That's just my opinion, others may vary.

[The 3rd eye]

This is a sceptics forum, run by a particular sceptics organization; namely the JREF. People here are mostly unbelievers.

Then i am in the right place :)



What are you looking for?

This is a great place if you want to find out *if* what you think is true. (You might need a thicker than average skin, though.) People here can help you to accurately measure the assumed effect - as long as you are willing to accept that the effect might be nil.

So, seriously, what are you looking for?


Im looking for the truth, not to the paranormal but to thats going on in my head.




I wouldn't know how to tell apart the two kinds of dreams. You would get better and more reliable data if you looked at all your dreams. Of course, if you only want to find out *if* there is a phenomenon, then looking at just some of your dreams might be enough to confirm that. (OTOH, it makes denial a lot easier if those dreams fail to produce the expected results.)


There is a difference between the dreams. its not that im having dreams and trying to relate my life to the dreams its. Its almost a case what you see is what you get. And im reciving knowlage during these deams like how i feel what im thinking what otheir poeples feeling are like.


I still find it highly likely that you at least subconsciously remembered - after all, you said that you postponed the meeting for several days, so it was important to you.

Yes this is exceptabile as subconsciously who knows what im thinking but it doesnt explain why i had the dream about moving out before i had any knowlage id have to.



Also, there are scientific explanations for experiencing deja vus. The short version is, that your brain hickups when it processes new input. Watch as those that know more about these issues will beat me up correct me on the finder details. :D

I have heard this befor but is it true or is it just a explanation or a idea ?

[SusanB-M1]

Before I grew old and realised that such events are almost certainly, as other posters have said here, due to coincidence and only remembering the hits not the misses, I read a book called 'An Experimant with Time' by John Dunne, first published in 1931 and reprinted in 1981. I think you will find it an interesting read, but that, by waking yourself and writing down dreams, you will soon find yourself much more tired than usual and I found that it quickly became extremely boring!

[The 3rd eye]

I don't understand how people with the ability to see into the future, don't have the presence of mind to use a spellchecker.

Sorry to all about my spelling but im slightly dyslexic and when i us spell check i end up picking the wrong word and spend longer correcting my typing then typing it.

[The 3rd eye]

I'm curious about why you would state this, after stating that it bothered you enough to delay the get-together - twice.

I never siad it bothered me i just decided that instead of having a party frist and doing othier things after id do the othier things frist and then the party.

[The 3rd eye]

This sort of thing sounds significant, but it is possible that you are falling into the trap of "counting the hits and ignoring the misses". That is to say, you may get these feelings quite regularly, but you only remember them when something happens that matches that feeling.

One way to test this would be to carry a small notebook around with you and jot down a note when you have one of your feelings. If something happens that corresponds to one of your jottings - and set a timescale for this, the happening should be within a reasonable time of your note - then mark it as a hit. Be honest with yourself - don't mark it as a hit if you have a feeling about Friend 'A' but Friend 'B' falls off a ladder.

See how you get on. You may be surprised at how many of them turn out to be non-events. If you're starting to change the way you live your life because of your dreams, this may be a useful thing to do.

Also, you only give one example of your Deja Vu apparently working (when your friend was hit by a car). Got any others?

Good idea. but as for the last part i didnt have a dream or daja vu of my fiend being hit by a car it was a overwhelming feeling.

[Beth]

People who report precognitive dreams such as yours often describe them as different from other dreams. Some people say they have a different flavor, others a different texture.

Whether or not they are truly precognition is very hard to determine with certainty because there's no way of computing the probability of a hit occurring by chance alone. However, if you write them down and then, later, review them to see how many have occurred you can at least get an idea of how often you are right. People counting the hits and not the misses is quite common.

For those who have experienced such things, it can seem quite absurd to attribute the experiences to random chance. Still, unless you make a record of your experiences and how many times they later happen, it's impossible to make any estimate of how close and how frequently they actually occur.

[chillzero]

I never siad it bothered me i just decided that instead of having a party frist and doing othier things after id do the othier things frist and then the party.


Umm... that's not what you said:

"So after I had moved out and finished work for the week I was going to have my friends over to have a few beers and watch a few movies. Now in remembering the dream I had I decided that the first night I could have my friends over that I would wait. Just to be sure as to nothing would happen and to have it the next day seemed to close for comfort as well. So I decide that id have them over on the third day."

Now, I read that as remembering the dream did bother you: enough to delay - to be certain nothing would happen. You decided to delay not only by one day but 2 days were too close for comfort - so you arranged it the 3rd day instead. So, not only did you allow this dream to affect what you did, you also had not forgotten about it at all.

[The 3rd eye]

As i have stated before i have only started wrighting down my dreams lately but they have become clearer to under stand.

I do not remember when i had this dream but its not so much about how true the dream came to be its the problem of under standing the dream as i will try to explain.

THE DREAM
So i had this dream that i was working in what i could only at the time i percive as a space station. i was in a white room with machens around me and wearing a full body suit with helmet. now when i awoke and started analising the dream as i felt it was a precog it made no sence to me as i would never go to space in my life time ( i thought id love to ) the saposid space suit was not a in-closing iteam. .I.E if ya went in to space with it youd be screwed.

so i egnored the fact it was what i felt was a precog and left it as a dream.

Now as i said befor i had to move out of home because i was ding a work placement program for my collage. I can only telll you i know i had this dream well befor knowing were id be working.

As it happends i ended up get a work placement in Intel ( computer Processor manufacture ) And i would be working in there fab. The fab is a clean room envirment witch requires you to wear a full body suit and if i was to decribe to you what it looked like useing the word space station would help decribe it.

If that didnt freak me out enuf two months in working in my bay i sat thinking about that dream i had and there i was just as id been in my dream but yet i still felt i was out of place as if i wasnt ment to work in this area. .I.E I was in the wrong bay. No once again a sruged it of thinking well i am in this bay and iv been here foe two months so why was i feeling out of place.

About two-three weeks after thinking that i was moved from that area into a new bay i was told that it was not intels standard practice to move co-ops around but that people were needed in this area.

So i had a dream about my working in intel and even thow i was '' informed '' by my dream of what was going to happen it was still not under stood by me. Sorta like been told the punch line of a joke befor being told the joke.

It just didnt make any sence till i was there and then with the knowlage of what was happening.

[The 3rd eye]

Umm... that's not what you said:

"So after I had moved out and finished work for the week I was going to have my friends over to have a few beers and watch a few movies. Now in remembering the dream I had I decided that the first night I could have my friends over that I would wait. Just to be sure as to nothing would happen and to have it the next day seemed to close for comfort as well. So I decide that id have them over on the third day."

Now, I read that as remembering the dream did bother you: enough to delay - to be certain nothing would happen. You decided to delay not only by one day but 2 days were too close for comfort - so you arranged it the 3rd day instead. So, not only did you allow this dream to affect what you did, you also had not forgotten about it at all.

No i hadint forgotin about the dream when thinking about having my friends over but the night they were coming over i had forgotin it then, as when we started meeting up we just started having a laugh and i didn want to think about the problems in my life i just wanted to have fun.

[Lothian]

Precognition, as you describe, everyone has it. No need to worry.

[richardm]

Good idea. but as for the last part i didnt have a dream or daja vu of my fiend being hit by a car it was a overwhelming feeling.

jot down a note when you have one of your feelings.

Just make a quick note - "Overwhelming feeling felt on Thursday". If your supposed precognition is non-specific it doesn't need to be an impediment to this. You'll soon discover whether you only get these feelings before something dramatic happens, or whether you get them randomly.

[Forty-Two]

This is a sceptics forum, run by a particular sceptics organization; namely the JREF. People here are mostly unbelievers.Then i am in the right place :)
That's a good sign. I want to congratulate you on seeking out people who won't necessarily give you the answers for which you'd particularly hoped but are willing to help you find what can actually be proven. Some of the posters here are less friendly than others, but believe me -- If you do posess this ability and are able to convince us, we'll all be very interested and encouraging.

I can't add any more advice to what others have posted -- that is, take notes on these feelings as you have them, not after the fact when events might influence your perception of them.

In the meantime, welcome! :D

[ObscureReferenceMan]

I second what others are saying. Also, consider the factor of time. If I had a dream (or feeling, or whatever) about "some bad event" occurring, and it came true the next day, that would be remarkable. But what if the bad event occurred a week later. Or a month. Or a year. Is it that I "predicted" the event? Or that I'm trying to to fit my dream/feeling to the event?

A few terms you should be familiar with:
Confirmation Bias (http://skepdic.com/confirmbias.html)
Wishful Thinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful_thinking)
Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/texsharp.html)

Take some time to browse around at the above links. I'm sure you'll find some ways you have "thought wrong" at times. I know I have!

[SphereGuy]

I second what others are saying. Also, consider the factor of time. If I had a dream (or feeling, or whatever) about "some bad event" occurring, and it came true the next day, that would be remarkable. But what if the bad event occurred a week later. Or a month. Or a year. Is it that I "predicted" the event? Or that I'm trying to to fit my dream/feeling to the event?

A few terms you should be familiar with:
Confirmation Bias (http://skepdic.com/confirmbias.html)
Wishful Thinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful_thinking)
Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/texsharp.html)

Take some time to browse around at the above links. I'm sure you'll find some ways you have "thought wrong" at times. I know I have!

Are those obscure references, man?

[ObscureReferenceMan]

Anywhere else, yes. Here, they're "required reading". :)

[LTC8K6]

I see, in the near future, someone leaving here disappointed......

[monkey]

One time I was cycling home from school with a friend and as we went or different way I have an over whelming feeling that my friend was in danger.

As was mentioned above, a feasible explanation here is that of 'remembering the hits and forgetting the misses'.

Just something to consider though:

You may also have unintentionally exaggerated your own memory of exactly how overwhelming that feeling is. This may even have happened from immediately after your friend was hit (I'm glad to hear they weren't too badly injured). Say you did have a bad feeling about your friend, maybe even a mild one (though a strong one is still likely to happen here & there). This in itself is not terribly uncommon - perfectly reasonable for a friend to worry a little - you may have even subconsciously noticed your friend's bike wobble a little or speed up a little or something which put the thought in your head.

Now from even such a slight discomfort, the very second your friend is hit you would of course have a reaction of "holy crap I knew somehting bad was gonna happen". At this point you have already solidified that bad feeling as being strong, whether or not it really was. And subsequent rememberings or retellings may further strengthen the intensity of the feeling you recall.

I'm not trying to be insulting or re-write how things happened, just trying to give an example of how similar events can result in a feeling being remembered as stronger than it may have been at the time. :)

(and a feeling is a very tricky thing when it comes to trying to quantify it in your memory, I know many of the stronger feelings I remember having are likely wayyy out of proportion to how they actually were :p )

[fuelair]

Ya ur right, what was i thinking, :rolleyes: a forum related to the paranormal what does that have to do with precognition ?:rolleyes:

I believe that what was meant is that this is a skeptical forum so asking for info about precog would be reasonable but looking for people who believe in it here might be a bit unrealistic.

Deja vu is not really precog though it might be a reason some think they have it.

[SphereGuy]

I believe that what was meant is that this is a skeptical forum so asking for info about precog would be reasonable but looking for people who believe in it here might be a bit unrealistic.

Deja vu is not really precog though it might be a reason some think they have it.

I also think that deja vu and precognition is two different things. Deja vu just means you are in contact with a parallel universe where the same thing happens at the same time and your "self" is temporarily out of synch with your "self" in the other universe so when you experience the same thing but at slightly different times you get that strange feeling of, well, of deja vu.

[Forty-Two]

The most compelling theory I'd read about deja vu was that, while most of the time we store events in short term memory before relegating them to long term memory, occasionally some event will mistakenly get encoded in long term memory as it's happening. So, we have an illusion of remembering it as though it happened awhile back.

[Azrael 5]

Didn't we have another woo who claimed dyslexia a while back?
For the record,Im not buying it.

[LibraryLady]

That's a good sign. I want to congratulate you on seeking out people who won't necessarily give you the answers for which you'd particularly hoped but are willing to help you find what can actually be proven. ....

In the meantime, welcome! :D

I second the welcome and suggest that if you are really interested in verifying whether you are able to predict the future through your dreams, that you agree to a test. I'm not talking Randi or a million dollars here, just a simple test that could verify or disprove what you think is happening. Would this interest you?

[Jon.]

Didn't we have another woo who claimed dyslexia a while back?
For the record,Im not buying it.

Supercell Hunters, IIRC. I noticed that, too.

ETA: No, sorry, I was wrong. ScH claimed Asperger's.

[Jas]

Sorry to all about my spelling but im slightly dyslexic and when i us spell check i end up picking the wrong word and spend longer correcting my typing then typing it.

Fair enough, please accept my apologies.

[Almo]

I had extreme deja vu for about 6 years. It seemed to coincide with depression. Anyway, these things would go on for 10 seconds or more. Really freaked me out, though I never figured it was genuine precognition.

I like the theory that your perception gets filed in the memory before it gets processed for understanding. So when you do process it for understanding, it looks like it's already been experienced. This would also have the supporting benefit that it would be a very fresh and vivid memory since it was processed so recently.

What made mine weird was that my actions looped into it. I'd say "wow deja vu! Wow I saw... wow! I... wow!"

[Miss Whiplash]

Sorry to all about my spelling but im slightly dyslexic and when i us spell check i end up picking the wrong word and spend longer correcting my typing then typing it.

Or deliberately writing this way so we think you're a clueless newcomer.

Try again...

[Silly Green Monkey]

I heard of a disorder (brain damage) where the affected persons had deja vu for their entire lives. Everything they heard they felt they already knew. They couldn't tell you about events ahead of time, but after being told they felt reminded.

[thaiboxerken]

Ya ur right, what was i thinking, :rolleyes: a forum related to the paranormal what does that have to do with precognition ?:rolleyes:

This is a forum related to the critical evaluation of paranormal claims. It's not a forum of paranormal believers and mystics. You seem to think you have a superpower, why not simply apply for the JREF challenge and prove it?

[TjW]

I posted the answers to all your questions about a week ago.
Unfortunately, that thread seems to have been lost in the recent forum upgrade.

[thaiboxerken]

TjW, it you're just suffering from deja vu.

[Miss Whiplash]

The OP's spelling is suspiciously similar to several posts on other paranormal and Skeptic boards in the past week.

[Cuddles]

An interesting article on memory and deja vu can be found here - http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13117837.300

[TjW]

TjW, it you're just suffering from deja vu.
No, I'm having a pretty good time. It doesn't seem like suffering to me.

[The 3rd eye]

I believe that what was meant is that this is a skeptical forum so asking for info about precog would be reasonable but looking for people who believe in it here might be a bit unrealistic.

Deja vu is not really precog though it might be a reason some think they have it.

I use the word daja vu because most people can relate to it.

[RemieV]

I'm confused. You use the term "deja vu" because people can understand it. But it isn't deja vu, so you're telling us that though what you have is entirely different, here is a completely incomparable term.

Deja vu is familiarity without reason.

Precognition is an ability to see the future.

Now, if you're just talking about having a non-specific sense of doom, that sounds like a psychological problem. See, here's the thing... You've said this happens frequently. If it happens frequently, then eventually you're going to have a bad feeling when something bad is actually going to happen.

It's like the monkeys and the typewriters. Or, one that I like to tell my friend who's convinced he dreamt of the future, if you dream every night of your life eventually you are going to have a dream that happens.

I'm not saying yours necessarily occur in dreams, or that your feelings are associated with sleep. The first person to ask about all this is a doctor. Not skeptics.

[The 3rd eye]

I second the welcome and suggest that if you are really interested in verifying whether you are able to predict the future through your dreams, that you agree to a test. I'm not talking Randi or a million dollars here, just a simple test that could verify or disprove what you think is happening. Would this interest you?

Iv been thinking about this already. I belive i can prove it to my self if one of the dreams i right down comes ture but personaly i want at least three to come true near anuf to the letter befor id except im having precogs. But if i wanted to prove it to otheir people i real think it would be next to imposable. For me

[calebprime]

Iv been having the feeling of daja vu since I can remember and as Iv got hen older it has become more often and stronger more than just daja vu. .

I heard of a disorder (brain damage) where the affected persons had deja vu for their entire lives. Everything they heard they felt they already knew. They couldn't tell you about events ahead of time, but after being told they felt reminded.

Yeah, I just read something like that--think it was New York Times Sunday magazine from around 2 weeks ago. The article mostly mentioned older people.

You could see a neurologist. But the neurologist probably wouldn't do anything more than look you over and ask if the deja vu bothers you. That's why neurologists are sometimes more benign than psychiatrists.

Brain damage is such a dire-sounding way of putting it! Lots of people have a few loose wires and still get by.

[The 3rd eye]

The most compelling theory I'd read about deja vu was that, while most of the time we store events in short term memory before relegating them to long term memory, occasionally some event will mistakenly get encoded in long term memory as it's happening. So, we have an illusion of remembering it as though it happened awhile back.

Best explanation yet :)

[RemieV]

Iv been thinking about this already. I belive i can prove it to my self if one of the dreams i right down comes ture but personaly i want at least three to come true near anuf to the letter befor id except im having precogs. But if i wanted to prove it to otheir people i real think it would be next to imposable. For me

You should probably go for a percentage rather than a flat number.

[The 3rd eye]

Fair enough, please accept my apologies.

Please dont apologies, i real should use spellcheck more often as this is my forum.

[The 3rd eye]

Or deliberately writing this way so we think you're a clueless newcomer.

Try again...

Dont know if ya noticed but i am a newcomer and i am clueless. Like whats a woo who ?

[The 3rd eye]

I heard of a disorder (brain damage) where the affected persons had deja vu for their entire lives. Everything they heard they felt they already knew. They couldn't tell you about events ahead of time, but after being told they felt reminded.

I can belive this but it doesnt explain how i knew about certain things. Like that dream about me working in the fab.

[The 3rd eye]

This is a forum related to the critical evaluation of paranormal claims. It's not a forum of paranormal believers and mystics. You seem to think you have a superpower, why not simply apply for the JREF challenge and prove it?

You try prove somthing you dont belive in, or want to belive in .

[The 3rd eye]

I'm confused. You use the term "deja vu" because people can understand it. But it isn't deja vu, so you're telling us that though what you have is entirely different, here is a completely incomparable term.

Deja vu is familiarity without reason.

Precognition is an ability to see the future.

Now, if you're just talking about having a non-specific sense of doom, that sounds like a psychological problem. See, here's the thing... You've said this happens frequently. If it happens frequently, then eventually you're going to have a bad feeling when something bad is actually going to happen.

It's like the monkeys and the typewriters. Or, one that I like to tell my friend who's convinced he dreamt of the future, if you dream every night of your life eventually you are going to have a dream that happens.

I'm not saying yours necessarily occur in dreams, or that your feelings are associated with sleep. The first person to ask about all this is a doctor. Not skeptics.


Well i just dont like saying precognition, as saying is beliving.:blush:

[soulhill]

3rd eye, I have a very simply solution for you. Concentrate on dreaming up the lottery numbers for MassMillions for the first week in October. Post those numbers here some time in the next few weeks. Then, be sure to dream up the numbers for the first week of each of the twelve months thereafter.

If you get them all right, I am sure everyone here will agree you have a wonder precognative gift and you can rest easy with no questions in your head. I will also be happy to purchase some tickets for you after you show us how you got the October numbers right.

If you find you are unable to dream up even one number - if you are tempted to respond by explaining that "It doesn't work that way," then I would ask you to consider that you are just fooling yourself and these Deja Vu moments are just odd little feelings that do not have a precognative source.

[The 3rd eye]

You should probably go for a percentage rather than a flat number.

I dont intirely get it . Please explan how id get the numbers. I.E what would i devide by what ?. I choose 3 as a number because 3 and upward you can see a trend .

[The 3rd eye]

3rd eye, I have a very simply solution for you. Concentrate on dreaming up the lottery numbers for MassMillions for the first week in October. Post those numbers here some time in the next few weeks. Then, be sure to dream up the numbers for the first week of each of the twelve months thereafter.

If you get them all right, I am sure everyone here will agree you have a wonder precognative gift and you can rest easy with no questions in your head. I will also be happy to purchase some tickets for you after you show us how you got the October numbers right.

If you find you are unable to dream up even one number - if you are tempted to respond by explaining that "It doesn't work that way," then I would ask you to consider that you are just fooling yourself and these Deja Vu moments are just odd little feelings that do not have a precognative source.


Funny anuf i had a simular idea. I was going to start watching the lottery on tv for the year, in the hope it would triger a dream for me to see the numbers. then post the numbers on a forum befoe the result of the lottery so if i did get the numbers and said '' i had a precog dream about it id have the numbers on the forum showing the date of posting.

I wana do it but it would take a lot of dedication.

[Ipecac]

This afternoon I went jogging. As I was leaving the locker room to go outside I was thinking about the Bangle's song, "If She Knew What She Wants". Once outside, I put my Ipod on my jogging playlist, set the option to shuffle, and pushed the skip button to play a random song. The first song it played was "If She Knew What She Wants".

I can certainly understand that after this experience some people might conclude that they had precognition. While I found it amusing, I was not so inclined. It was a coincidence. Every once in a while, this kind of thing is bound to happen.

[The 3rd eye]

This afternoon I went jogging. As I was leaving the locker room to go outside I was thinking about the Bangle's song, "If She Knew What She Wants". Once outside, I put my Ipod on my jogging playlist, set the option to shuffle, and pushed the skip button to play a random song. The first song it played was "If She Knew What She Wants".

I can certainly understand that after this experience some people might conclude that they had precognition. While I found it amusing, I was not so inclined. It was a coincidence. Every once in a while, this kind of thing is bound to happen.

Ya that stuff is funny . Like your singing a song in your head and ya turn on the raido and theres that song being played.

Ya it does happen

[RemieV]

I dont intirely get it . Please explan how id get the numbers. I.E what would i devide by what ?. I choose 3 as a number because 3 and upward you can see a trend .

The percentage would be like... if you had one hundred dreams and 40 were right-on, then it would be 40% correct.

[Plasmadog]

I can belive this but it doesnt explain how i knew about certain things. Like that dream about me working in the fab.
But you said yourself that you didn't understand the content of those dreams until after something happened that seemed to fit. To say that you "knew about certain things" is a misrepresentation.
As for the dreams themselves, they do not seem all that remarkable. You dreamed about being in what may or may not have been a clean room, just a few weeks before starting a work placement in one. Did that work placement come completely out of the blue? I find it hard to believe that Intel would let just anyone into their plant. I'm betting that you had been doing a course that had some relevance to processor manufacturing, which implies that you would know something about the sort of environment that they are made in. You had almost certainly seen pictures or video of a typical clean room, and probably quite recently. You probably also had an idea that getting work in such a place was a possibility. And you had a dream about it. Big deal.

And a dream about feeling out of place? Please. That's a classic theme of dreams for people the world over. Coupled with the likelyhood that you probably picked up on some of the hints in your workplace that there was a staff shortage in one area, and there may be changes coming as a result, there doesn't really seem anything remarkable about the dream.

Dreams often have a way of presenting information that you already knew, but did not necessarily realize you knew, in a way that grabs your attention and becomes memorable. It would be a mistake to call that precognition, particularly after only a few dubious examples.

[SusanB-M1]

Ya that stuff is funny . Like your singing a song in your head and ya turn on the raido and theres that song being played.

Ya it does happen

I wonder if it will ever be scientifically proved (or disproved, of course)that our brains can pick up these transmissions? Or is it always coincidence? I would really like to know.

[soulhill]

I wana do it but it would take a lot of dedication.

Don't hedge. Do it. I know you lack the dedication to work on spelling and grammer, but think of all the people you can help once you have sharpened and proven your powers.

[thaiboxerken]

He can see the future, but not how to spell. Hmm.

[The 3rd eye]

But you said yourself that you didn't understand the content of those dreams until after something happened that seemed to fit. To say that you "knew about certain things" is a misrepresentation..

First off, nothing seemed to fit. What i was trying to convay and still am, is that with the viewing of the dream i could not see how i would ever be in a place such as that as i had only images of space stations to relate it to.

As for the dreams themselves, they do not seem all that remarkable. You dreamed about being in what may or may not have been a clean room, just a few weeks before starting a work placement in one. Did that work placement come completely out of the blue? .

Yes and no. I was told by the collage that they would get work placement for us. All we had to do was make up a C.V and give it into the collage. They would contact the companys and get back to us.

I find it hard to believe that Intel would let just anyone into their plant. I'm betting that you had been doing a course that had some relevance to processor manufacturing, which implies that you would know something about the sort of environment that they are made in. You had almost certainly seen pictures or video of a typical clean room, and probably quite recently. You probably also had an idea that getting work in such a place was a possibility. And you had a dream about it. Big deal..

I am doing a course in automation and any manufacturing plant in the world from making processors to making tea cakes i would have a position of work. I realy have no interest in processors. Just having intel on a C.V looks impressive.


Dreams often have a way of presenting information that you already knew, but did not necessarily realize you knew, in a way that grabs your attention and becomes memorable. It would be a mistake to call that precognition, particularly after only a few dubious examples.

This is very true. But i get the impression you think im trying to relate all my dreams to my life.

Example.
I had a dream that i was in my friends house and a group of girls that we hag around with, came in and sat down. One of the girls started making advances towards me.
Now it just so happens about a week after that dream one of the girls from that group of girls, i ended up hooking up with her.

Now some people would consider that precognition. I would not. I would if it had happened as seen in the dream.

[The 3rd eye]

Don't hedge. Do it. I know you lack the dedication to work on spelling and grammer, but think of all the people you can help once you have sharpened and proven your powers.

I know i could help alot of people with the ability to win the lotto but i have to prove this to my self before i decide to prove it to the world. And theres easyer ways to prove it to my self.

Sure if i can win the lotto then surely i can take the Challange.

[De_Bunk]

The 3rd Eye...

Pay no attention to the others...

I believe you.

DB

[Plasmadog]

3rd Eye, you seem to have missed my point. I know that at the time you had the dream about the space station-like place, you did not recognize it, or attach any meaning to it. But later, when you saw your new workplace, you connected the appearance of the clean room to the appearance of the space station. Like I said, you didn't find any meaning in the dream until after something happened that seemed somewhat similar. And once you make a connection like that, it's very hard to examine it objectively. All your recollections of the dream will now be coloured by your expectation that it look like the clean room.
Either the dream was a completely random fantasy about really being in a space station, or it was based on your own expectations about work placement. Either way, the dream wasn't telling you anything you didn't already know. Even if you were somehow "seeing" future events, you were not left with any knowledge of what the future held for you, or any clue about what your best couse of action would be. How is that precognition?

[The 3rd eye]

3rd Eye, you seem to have missed my point. I know that at the time you had the dream about the space station-like place, you did not recognize it, or attach any meaning to it. But later, when you saw your new workplace, you connected the appearance of the clean room to the appearance of the space station. Like I said, you didn't find any meaning in the dream until after something happened that seemed somewhat similar. And once you make a connection like that, it's very hard to examine it objectively. All your recollections of the dream will now be coloured by your expectation that it look like the clean room.
Either the dream was a completely random fantasy about really being in a space station, or it was based on your own expectations about work placement.


Aw now i get ya. But in the dream and after there was a importance about the suit i was wearing, that it wasnt enclosing or insealing, that it wasnt forfilling the prepose as under stood the dream as me in space.

Even if you were somehow "seeing" future events, you were not left with any knowledge of what the future held for you, or any clue about what your best couse of action would be. How is that precognition?

Do you assume that precognition is to inform you in the best action to take or that there is another choice to made at this event possibly resuling in a more positive out come. The definition as i know it, is that its to have knowlage of a event before it happenes.

Whos to say that precognition is not just viewing the future that there doesnt have to be some sort of choice or major event.

And if im not having precognition about events and just seeing the future in my dreams what do ya call that ?

[Piscivore]

And if im not having precognition about events and just seeing the future in my dreams what do ya call that ?

An obvious need for a dictionary?

[MortFurd]

Ya that stuff is funny . Like your singing a song in your head and ya turn on the raido and theres that song being played.

Ya it does happen
Even funnier is when the American station over here is playing a song and I change stations to a German one and the same song is playing on that station, too.

Coincidence, or proof of just how thin the top forty is?

[Luke T.]

As it happends i ended up get a work placement in Intel ( computer Processor manufacture ) And i would be working in there fab. The fab is a clean room envirment witch requires you to wear a full body suit and if i was to decribe to you what it looked like useing the word space station would help decribe it.

If that didnt freak me out enuf two months in working in my bay i sat thinking about that dream i had and there i was just as id been in my dream but yet i still felt i was out of place as if i wasnt ment to work in this area. .I.E I was in the wrong bay. No once again a sruged it of thinking well i am in this bay and iv been here foe two months so why was i feeling out of place.

About two-three weeks after thinking that i was moved from that area into a new bay i was told that it was not intels standard practice to move co-ops around but that people were needed in this area.



I worked in an Intel fab. Mind if I ask a few questions to make sure you are bona fide? If you were there for two months, these should be a snap.

Which fab did you work in? Both names given for the fab. Every fab has two names.

What is the name Intel employees give for that white suit they wear in the fab?

What companies made the machines that made the chips?


What are those machines called by everyone in the fab, instead of "machine"?

Describe the chip making process.

Thanks!
ETA: What was your exact job in the fab?

Explain what a "tool owner" is.

[Tamarillicent]

I have to admit that I havent' read through all the replys, so please forgive me if this has been mentioned before.
I was watching a show on Discovery Health called "Mystery Diagnosis" one Saturday afternoon. There was a story about a woman who all her life had seizure's and wasn't diagnosed until much later in life as having epilepsy. Anyway, one way she could tell a seizure was coming on was a feeling of deja vu. I'm not saying you have epilepsy, but I'm just saying that there could be a misfire in your neurons in just the right place to cause this feeling. It doesn't mean you've actually seen the future or anything like that.
Anyway,there's my 2 cents.

Tam

[Luke T.]

A little googling can answer some of the above questions. However, if you can answer all of them, I will get more specific. Stuff you can't find answers for on the internet.

[RemieV]

The 3rd Eye,

Please tell us your most recent dream (that seemed as though it might be a vision) in as much detail as possible.

There is a problem with psychic abilities that has been mentioned before in this thread. If they cannot tell you anything about the future, they are pointless. If the only time you can definitely say they were "visions" is after an event happens, then you are applying the vision incorrectly.

Here, I'll give an example. This didn't happen, but it should illustrate the point.

Let's say that one night I have a dream (that feels like a vision) where I am standing in the middle of a street in a busy city just as it begins to rain. The sky darkens completely... it's sudden, and kind of frightening. All of the people standing in the street run into their houses, and soon I am the only one left outside, standing in the rain.

The next week five different things happen that I can apply to the dream in retrospect:

1. Acid rain falls on the city I live in.

2. There is a lightning storm that knocks out power on my block.

3. In Asia there is a tsunami that kills 1000 people.

4. I nearly drown.

5. The neighbors upstairs leave on their water by accident and flood my apartment.

Okay, now we can break these down. You see, none of these circumstances fit exactly what my dream was. The first one is close because it has to do with actual rain, but that's really the only similarity. There isn't the being alone in the street. The second is good, because it has to do with rain, too. But there were people in my dream who disappeared, not lights going out all down the block. You can make it make sense if you force it, but it still isn't what I dreamed. The third one has absolutely nothing to do with me, and the dream did have to do with me. So while there are people in the real version who disappear, I dreamed about my location, not a different one. Event four has to do with water, and me being alone. But in the dream, I wasn't IN the water. It as just raining. And the fifth event - there's pretty much no similarity but water.

What I'm saying is that looking back you can make anything fit. But if you didn't dream exactly what happened, then it more than likely isn't a precognitive dream.

[jmercer]

Where's Yogi Berra when you really need him? :)

[Piscivore]

Where's Yogi Berra when you really need him? :)

Stealing pik-a-nik baskets.

[The 3rd eye]

I worked in an Intel fab. Mind if I ask a few questions to make sure you are bona fide? If you were there for two months, these should be a snap..

Im still working in intel, working right now infact, its a six month contract. I have no problem answering your questions aslong as they arnt like a game of guess who. .I.E your not trying to find out what country im in or witch intel.

Which fab did you work in? Both names given for the fab. Every fab has two names. ..

IFO and fab 10 is that what you mean

What is the name Intel employees give for that white suit they wear in the fab?..

Never told or heard any name for the suit but i wear a trident helmet.

What companies made the machines that made the chips??..

Theres a load of TOOLS made by loads of companys so unless you come up with a particular operation.


What are those machines called by everyone in the fab, instead of "machine"..

Tools

Describe the chip making process."..
Not a good question, any one could answer this using the web.

Thanks!
ETA: What was your exact job in the fab?.

Im a operator. I load and unload the tools.

Explain what a "tool owner" is.

Dont know never heard of it.

I find it funny that out of all the stuff on this forum you question if i work in intel.

[Piscivore]

Never told or heard any name for the suit but i wear a trident helmet.

S[rule 8], I know this one and I was a janitor there for only two weeks.

[soulhill]

I know i could help alot of people with the ability to win the lotto but i have to prove this to my self before i decide to prove it to the world. And theres easyer ways to prove it to my self.

Sure if i can win the lotto then surely i can take the Challange.

Don't be ridiculous. Proving it to yourself is meaningless. You are not an objective observer. What if you are mentally ill?

The only way to know you are precognative is to consistantly make accurate predictions.

You also need to decide that you believe in predestiny, since that is the only way true precognition could exist.

[Plasmadog]

Aw now i get ya. But in the dream and after there was a importance about the suit i was wearing, that it wasnt enclosing or insealing, that it wasnt forfilling the prepose as under stood the dream as me in space.
And do you routinely have dreams in which every detail is perfectly logical and consistent? I certainly don't. That sort of inconsistency is the hallmark of dreams. Here's what I think happened: you had a completely random dream about being on a space station. At some point you had the rational idea that, since you're in space, you should probably check the integrity of your suit. Since dreams often show you the very thing you are worried about, your suit naturally turns out to be less than ideal. On noticing that, you fixate on it, and the rational, fully conscious, thought process that follows is enough to shake you out of the dream (This happens to me all the time. Dreams and logic just don't mix.). You wake up still thinking about, and still worried about, the suit. This is probably what gave you the feeling that it was a pre-cog dream.

But let's look at this from another perspective. Assume for a moment that it was a vision of a future event. The vision was not just a passive look at an unfamiliar environment, was it? It also included events, such as you noticing a problem with your suit that seemed important to you at the time. Did that actually happen in the clean room? Did any of the events in the dream have a parallel in the clean room? If not, you cannot really claim to have had any knowledge of the future, can you?

[The 3rd eye]

The 3rd Eye,

Please tell us your most recent dream (that seemed as though it might be a vision) in as much detail as possible. .

I had a dream that i was down stairs ready to get off on a public bus at night. It was coming up to the bus stop. As the bus was pulling up there was a stone wall on the left about a meter and half high, and on the otheir side of the road there was a small shop connected to a petrol station. ( the next part i did not visionly see) I planed to go to this shop to buy somthing but then i was going to go on to another biger shop.

I did not reconise the place in my vision.

There is a problem with psychic abilities that has been mentioned before in this thread. If they cannot tell you anything about the future, they are pointless. If the only time you can definitely say they were "visions" is after an event happens, then you are applying the vision incorrectly.

Here, I'll give an example. This didn't happen, but it should illustrate the point.

Let's say that one night I have a dream (that feels like a vision) where I am standing in the middle of a street in a busy city just as it begins to rain. The sky darkens completely... it's sudden, and kind of frightening. All of the people standing in the street run into their houses, and soon I am the only one left outside, standing in the rain.

The next week five different things happen that I can apply to the dream in retrospect:

1. Acid rain falls on the city I live in.

2. There is a lightning storm that knocks out power on my block.

3. In Asia there is a tsunami that kills 1000 people.

4. I nearly drown.

5. The neighbors upstairs leave on their water by accident and flood my apartment.

Okay, now we can break these down. You see, none of these circumstances fit exactly what my dream was. The first one is close because it has to do with actual rain, but that's really the only similarity. There isn't the being alone in the street. The second is good, because it has to do with rain, too. But there were people in my dream who disappeared, not lights going out all down the block. You can make it make sense if you force it, but it still isn't what I dreamed. The third one has absolutely nothing to do with me, and the dream did have to do with me. So while there are people in the real version who disappear, I dreamed about my location, not a different one. Event four has to do with water, and me being alone. But in the dream, I wasn't IN the water. It as just raining. And the fifth event - there's pretty much no similarity but water.

What I'm saying is that looking back you can make anything fit. But if you didn't dream exactly what happened, then it more than likely isn't a precognitive dream.

I dont try to make anything fit.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Before I grew old and realised that such events are almost certainly, as other posters have said here, due to coincidence and only remembering the hits not the misses, I read a book called 'An Experimant with Time' by John Dunne, first published in 1931 and reprinted in 1981. I think you will find it an interesting read, but that, by waking yourself and writing down dreams, you will soon find yourself much more tired than usual and I found that it quickly became extremely boring!
Ah yes! 'An Experimant with Time'. I read this when I was in University many moons ago. I recorded a dream about traffic lights failing and, the next day, in a car with three other people, I saw with my own eyes the traffic lights we had just driven through turn suddenly back to red from green. "Did you see that," I said, "the lights just turned back to red!" Everyone else in the car said, "No they did not!"

I realized then that the human mind works in mysterious ways and started on my journey into Skepticism. It's been more than 40 years now. I'm almost there.

[The 3rd eye]

Don't be ridiculous. Proving it to yourself is meaningless. You are not an objective observer. What if you are mentally ill?

I seam to be specializing in the ridiculous these days. Proving it to my self is far from meaningless when my mental state is in question.

The only way to know you are precognative is to consistantly make accurate predictions..

True but there is easyer ways to prove it than trying to force my self to have a precog about the lotto.

You also need to decide that you believe in predestiny, since that is the only way true precognition could exist.

I am well awear of the ramifications of believeing in precognition. It scares the **** out me to think that i would not be deciding my life that i am a pawn in some game or that im here to play a role. For me life would not be worth liveing if that was the case.

[The 3rd eye]

But let's look at this from another perspective. Assume for a moment that it was a vision of a future event. The vision was not just a passive look at an unfamiliar environment, was it? It also included events, such as you noticing a problem with your suit that seemed important to you at the time. ?

This is going to get sticky

In dream time (yes i said dream time) the dream lasted no longer than a 1/10 of a seconed, its not as if i was the in the space station and then decided to look down and see what i was wearing, it was a blast of a image with a sence of the enviroment i was in and the surroundings.

Did that actually happen in the clean room? Did any of the events in the dream have a parallel in the clean room? If not, you cannot really claim to have had any knowledge of the future, can you?

What events ? i never said anything happened in the clean room. I just stated that i was in a place that had the look of a space station with the sence of what i was wearing.

[The 3rd eye]

Ah yes! 'An Experimant with Time'. I read this when I was in University many moons ago. I recorded a dream about traffic lights failing and, the next day, in a car with three other people, I saw with my own eyes the traffic lights we had just driven through turn suddenly back to red from green. "Did you see that," I said, "the lights just turned back to red!" Everyone else in the car said, "No they did not!"

I realized then that the human mind works in mysterious ways and started on my journey into Skepticism. It's been more than 40 years now. I'm almost there.

Good to hear your on track, im still looking for a direction :)

[The 3rd eye]

So i have only now gotin around to reading some of the othier forums on this site. And its quite clear I am in the wrong place also by what iv read it seems im a ''woo'' ? But if i am a island of woo amoung the skeptict then im glad to be here.:cool:

[Apathia]

So i have only now gotin around to reading some of the othier forums on this site. And its quite clear I am in the wrong place also by what iv read it seems im a ''woo'' ? But if i am a island of woo amoung the skeptict then im glad to be here.:cool:

"No man is an island!" :D

[Cuddles]

"No man is an island!" :D

But tie lots together and you have a decent raft.

[The 3rd eye]

But tie lots together and you have a decent raft.

Well maybe more a pice of drift wood. ;)

[Beth]

The 3rd eye,

I'd really like to hear more about how you can distinguish between dreams that seem precognizant and non-precognizant dreams. The most believable accounts I have heard regarding such dreams are from people who claim to be able to make such a distinction. Can you elaborate on how you distinguish them? Would you be willing to discuss it with me privately if you don't want to post about it publically? THank you.

[The 3rd eye]

The 3rd eye,

I'd really like to hear more about how you can distinguish between dreams that seem precognizant and non-precognizant dreams. The most believable accounts I have heard regarding such dreams are from people who claim to be able to make such a distinction. Can you elaborate on how you distinguish them? Would you be willing to discuss it with me privately if you don't want to post about it publically? THank you.

Hard to say really its mostly a gut feeling and i think i only get a gut feeling cos iv been having precogs for a while. The image that i see in the dream is usally very short like a flash, and its very real, as in im not floating around the sky or seeing from a third persons perspective. Im in my bodie and i am reading or awear of my thoughts, as in the thoughts of me in the future. from my attitude to otheir peoples attitude who are around me. And in a normal dream you very much go with the flow but in a precog dream theres a direction or a aim, not so much about what your precoging about, but more that you as a person have a objective to do or are doing. Like now im in work and will be here till 7. but in a normal dream theres no such restriction im free to dream about any thing theres no objective or task. Thats what i mean by go with the flow.

If none of this made sence or apart of it didnt let me know and ill try redefine it.

[Beth]

Thank you for the attempt. Let me see if I can rephrase this. It's a way for you to judge if I'm understanding you properly. Your precognitive dreams seem truer to reality than normal dreams and are accompanied by a sense of purpose. Is there anything else you can think of that delineates them from other dreams?

[Outhere]

and not wanting to read every posting--just want to interject a thought. Sorry if someone's already done it. Deja vu does not mean precognition. It's the feeling of having already experienced an event you are actually experiencing for the first time.

Another meaning in the dictionary is "dull familiarity, monotony."

[latent aaaack]

3rd eye, I've experienced a similar thing. I want to know how much our experiences compare so I'll ask you some specific questions in private message if you don't mind.

[LibraryLady]

Have you tried keeping a dream journal, mailing each day's entry to someone else, and then comparing the verifiable events?

[TheGuyThat]

Third eye, I don't think it is really all that necessary to analyse this so much. It seems to me that what ever is happening, is just that, what is happening, in trying to catagorise it you will surely misinterpret the reality of the situation. It doesn't really matter if you are precognitive or not, its not like its going to make everything better in your life, its just going to add a different flavor. It seems as though you have no control over these events so I wouldn't stress anything other than to react to them in a way that is sensible. You may be precognitive, or you may not, either way what matters is how you react to the situations given to you. I would imagine your post is because you want to understand how you should treat these feelings, whether you should just ignore them or whether you should take them on a things that are happening. The thing is whether you are precognitive or not you can be certain that what you see and what happens is not always going to be the same. Don't just ignore things, be compassionate and try to help. Though if what you say is true and you can't help others even if you try, then don't get down about it, it would merely mean that it is part of destiny and you simply glimpse the inevitable. I doubt that it makes you anymore powerful than anyone in anyway, so don't make a big deal about it, it really isn't a big deal if you are or aren't. There is certainly no real power trip to be had, dang it, but hey if you are precognitive in the way you say then maybe you should learn from the special insights you have.
I know one thing, don't try to talk about your stuff with people cuz I know from experience, people just don't react to it well. Though it is very confusing and you will want to talk about it as it seems it is becoming somewhat of a main subject of your thoughts, but the thing is nobody out there really has the answers you seek. I wouldn't go to any psychics or anything or delve into mystical things, I think you should just see things for what they are.
If you do need to talk about it, do tell your friends your concerns, but don't just blurt it out there, it is important how you say things. You can say just about anything if you say it in the right way, in a way they can take. Don't infer in your emotional connotations that is is anything other than what it is, feelings etc, just be honest and tell them why you believe the way you do, don't try to convince them as that will lead to confrontations and not assistance to yourself. You must be patient and considerate not to mention modest my friend.
If you are precognitive it is imporatant to realise that it isn't all that amazing, just a normal natural thing, don't inflate it into something more important than it is. The only reason people dislike those mystic kind of people has nothing to do whether they can do something amazing or not, but because of how they act. Most people that claim to have different skills from normal have issues and just act in ways that people don't like. Like they may get patronising, arrogant, etc and all that jazz, act in the right way and no matter what is happening, it can't not turn out right.
You are not alone in the things you experience, in my opinion. Who is to say that you are precognitive or not...I don't know, but does it really matter. What matters is how you live your life and how you deal with your relationships.
Let common sense prevail.
It is not common sense that powers like these do not exist, and nor is it common sense that these powers do exist, they are both opinions based on a whole load of assumptions. Lots of people will say these kinds of things are rediculous, like I once would of, but it seems to me that we cannot know so much as to discount that. Also it seems to me that we cannot say these things are powers or magic as it would be a mistake to assume we know the true nature of these things. In my opinion, neither side, sceptic or believer, is right and neither are they wrong. Just take things for what they are, and don't be to concerned about putting yourself in a box. At the end of the day you are who you are, and that is all that matters.

[latent aaaack]

Quick question to TheGuyThat: you don't have to go into the details but what made you think the existence of these 'powers' might not be ridiculous?

[De_Bunk]

Three pages of total and utter sheet...

And '3rd Eye' still believes he can see into the future...

Way to go...

DB

[The 3rd eye]

Third eye, I don't think it is really all that necessary to analyse this so much. It seems to me that what ever is happening, is just that, what is happening, in trying to catagorise it you will surely misinterpret the reality of the situation. It doesn't really matter if you are precognitive or not, its not like its going to make everything better in your life, its just going to add a different flavor. It seems as though you have no control over these events so I wouldn't stress anything other than to react to them in a way that is sensible. You may be precognitive, or you may not, either way what matters is how you react to the situations given to you. I would imagine your post is because you want to understand how you should treat these feelings, whether you should just ignore them or whether you should take them on a things that are happening. The thing is whether you are precognitive or not you can be certain that what you see and what happens is not always going to be the same. Don't just ignore things, be compassionate and try to help. Though if what you say is true and you can't help others even if you try, then don't get down about it, it would merely mean that it is part of destiny and you simply glimpse the inevitable. I doubt that it makes you anymore powerful than anyone in anyway, so don't make a big deal about it, it really isn't a big deal if you are or aren't. There is certainly no real power trip to be had, dang it, but hey if you are precognitive in the way you say then maybe you should learn from the special insights you have.
I know one thing, don't try to talk about your stuff with people cuz I know from experience, people just don't react to it well. Though it is very confusing and you will want to talk about it as it seems it is becoming somewhat of a main subject of your thoughts, but the thing is nobody out there really has the answers you seek. I wouldn't go to any psychics or anything or delve into mystical things, I think you should just see things for what they are.
If you do need to talk about it, do tell your friends your concerns, but don't just blurt it out there, it is important how you say things. You can say just about anything if you say it in the right way, in a way they can take. Don't infer in your emotional connotations that is is anything other than what it is, feelings etc, just be honest and tell them why you believe the way you do, don't try to convince them as that will lead to confrontations and not assistance to yourself. You must be patient and considerate not to mention modest my friend.
If you are precognitive it is imporatant to realise that it isn't all that amazing, just a normal natural thing, don't inflate it into something more important than it is. The only reason people dislike those mystic kind of people has nothing to do whether they can do something amazing or not, but because of how they act. Most people that claim to have different skills from normal have issues and just act in ways that people don't like. Like they may get patronising, arrogant, etc and all that jazz, act in the right way and no matter what is happening, it can't not turn out right.
You are not alone in the things you experience, in my opinion. Who is to say that you are precognitive or not...I don't know, but does it really matter. What matters is how you live your life and how you deal with your relationships.
Let common sense prevail.
It is not common sense that powers like these do not exist, and nor is it common sense that these powers do exist, they are both opinions based on a whole load of assumptions. Lots of people will say these kinds of things are rediculous, like I once would of, but it seems to me that we cannot know so much as to discount that. Also it seems to me that we cannot say these things are powers or magic as it would be a mistake to assume we know the true nature of these things. In my opinion, neither side, sceptic or believer, is right and neither are they wrong. Just take things for what they are, and don't be to concerned about putting yourself in a box. At the end of the day you are who you are, and that is all that matters.


Thanks man, Good advice, iv been taking a break from all this head banging stuff the last couple of days. A lot of what ya said made sense, some of the advice you gave me iv already learned, the hard way.

[De_Bunk]

Welcome to the real world...or continue telling the 'Playstation' generation you have dreams that see into the future...

Your choice...


DB

[The 3rd eye]

Three pages of total and utter sheet...

And '3rd Eye' still believes he can see into the future...

Way to go...

DB

You say that with such conviction, As if you actuly know. As if you know that theres no such thing as precognition. You know as much as we all do, **** All

[De_Bunk]

The 3rd Eye...

No...I just know better than you do...I live in the real world and not a delusional fantasy land...

I actually apply a miniscule amount logic to my thought...enough to realise that my brain cannot perceive what has not occured.



Where as you're just plain barkin' insane...



Leave me...you rather silly person...

DB

[TheGuyThat]

Quick question to TheGuyThat: you don't have to go into the details but what made you think the existence of these 'powers' might not be ridiculous?

Lol, Ok I'll bite

I only know what I have personally experienced. I don't really like people saying things are paranormal or whatever because it somehow puts the connotation that there is no cause or reason behind the event or that the reason is rather fantastic. Alot of people like to be wooed in by the possibility of being psychic or something (not saying third eye is like that at all) thinking that if they fit in that box its gonna mean they are special or something or powerful. Personally, I don't think it really matters what a person can do, its just usually that people get out of hand when they assume what they are doing is something other than what is happening, its not there fault ofcourse, but I try to urge people to take things for what they are and not to read to much into it, to keep an open mind to all the reasons out there not just the mystical ones.

Anyways, on to actually answering your question. A long time ago, I was a very keen martial arts student, and I was really deeply confused about the world and how it worked etc. Basically, I ended up learning many things and I got to understand ways certain things work that others usually don't. That understanding lead me to actually be able to understand how people were feeling and to feel it myself, to think as they were thinking and to know what they'd do before they'd do it. Now someone could easily run off saying I can read minds, but no, it wasn't like that because it was merely me being aware of something more than what I was before. I was only understanding subtlties I never thought existed before. Each factor in a situation means something, its kind of like a song, one part implys anothers action, cause and effect etc. Nothing can be hidden in this world, someone can try to hide how they are feeling if they are hurt etc but what they are really doing is feeling bad and hidding it, they aren't just hiding it if you get what I mean. Things are what they are and can be seen for what they are too. Your understanding of things never has to be just at surface value even though that is maybe all you see, because things mean things (its obvious but I thought i'd say it anyways).
Alot of people say wow, to things like I have done, but I say it is just what is, it is nothing more than an understanding that leads to knowledge.

Personally I don't like to understand how others feel because it reminds me of a harsh truth, that eveerything I ever knew was a lie, every person I have ever known is different than what I thought they were...they are all like me and that is why they are so different from me. Its a harsh truth, and I prefer to live a lie, I like to feel that my girl is my girl and that my family is my family. I prefer not to understand how others feel and have lost the skill to do so, at whim anyways. Generally though, it was just awareness of how and why they were acting the way they were and why they felt that way, because there is only ever one answer, everything is the same otherwise it could be no different, hence everything that reacts the same reacts the same for the same reason, thus you can see why it is done and understand more than what you see.
I've not only read people, but also seen the future...I just mean the future of certain events etc, horse races and stuff, how people are going to go at something, whether they are going to succeed or not. Generally, everything is about emotion and its a bit like a dance or a song in how things interact, and certain things have to happen and certain things rely on the way emotions interact. It just gives you a more accurate understanding of what is happening in a situation and a better capacity to know what is going to happen, it isnt seeing the future just a more educated guess. I never got too good at that cuz I didn't really care to but I could see the potential there and that people could be exceptional at that. Keep in mind however I don't necessarily believe people are, just that it is possible...is it practical...i don't know and really don't care at all cuz its worthless to me. I mean what is the point of being able to do these things if in being able to do them you don't need to be able to do them anymore. How stupidly ironic, if you understand how to do it completely you lose all desire to do it. Its a bit like relationships if she is too easy to get you dont want her, so she has to play hard to get. Powers etc have the same thing. I ask you, why would you want to make it easier if it makes it not worth doing?

I only know that the capacity for understanding is limitless, and thus things are possible but that doesn't necessarily mean that its happening or is practical. Most people that say they are psychic have no clue why they can feel things the way they do, its a fluke, they don't understand it. I had a brief insight into how and why you can do it, and it gives me some perspective on the whole situation. Was I amazing, no not really, did I do something out of the ordinary not really, but did I see a trend, yes I did.

A person can do anything that is possible. That makes sense doesn't it. However what is possible? That is what we usually argue about, but we usually do so with such conviction, when infact we don't know what is possible because we don't know what is there right infront of us. How can we know what is possible without knowing what things are, we can't. However in understanding certain things I saw that these things are truly there, albeit in a much different way than I would of ever thought. Its just simple common sense, something can not be what it is not, so it can be understood... however that is not to say it is understood or it is practical to understand it. Its just that there are ways to explain these things that are not far out at all. If you really want to read a way that it is possible for people to do these things read my blog on myspace about the mind http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=40926746
it explains what I believe from my experiences. Its basically how I explain how anyone can understand anything...though not to say its practical to do so, as people want certain things out of things etc

Hope that makes sense, I don't spend much time on these things and just tend to speak like its a convo, just my style I guess. Hope I made my point

[TheGuyThat]

I am the worse poster ever...I just start writing and never stop...geez, someday I will learn :catfight: way to long a post but ahwell.

[SusanB-M1]

I am the worse poster ever...I just start writing and never stop...geez, someday I will learn :catfight: way to long a post but ahwell.

Well, I have just enjoyed reading your above posts ... and will probably have a look at your blog too! So thank you for an interesting start to the day.

[Cuddles]

Hope that makes sense, I don't spend much time on these things and just tend to speak like its a convo, just my style I guess. Hope I made my point

Unfortunately it doesn't. Your whole argument seems to be based on misunderstanding how knowledge works. We may not know everything that is possible, but we have a pretty good idea. Everything you have said is just unfounded assumptions and conjecture without a single piece of supporting evidence to justify denying the sum of all thinking and research over the last several thousand years. On your blog you simply make up a method of how the brain works despite all neuroscience research that says otherwise. I'm not sure exactly what your point was, but I'm pretty sure you didn't make it.

[TheGuyThat]

Unfortunately it doesn't. Your whole argument seems to be based on misunderstanding how knowledge works. We may not know everything that is possible, but we have a pretty good idea. Everything you have said is just unfounded assumptions and conjecture without a single piece of supporting evidence to justify denying the sum of all thinking and research over the last several thousand years. On your blog you simply make up a method of how the brain works despite all neuroscience research that says otherwise. I'm not sure exactly what your point was, but I'm pretty sure you didn't make it.

Hey, thats cool, I'm not here to convert just to put a little spice in.

1 - "We may not know everything that is possible, but we have a pretty good idea"
This is true, but have you ever thought that you might just be looking in the wrong direction?
2 - "On your blog you simply make up a method of how the brain works despite all neuroscience research that says otherwise"
Hmmmm...I'm not necessarily saying its the whole thing its just an idea based on a few observations. From my experience, I have come to notice that in judging things less you see more, which is contrary to what you would think. Normally I would expect that if I stopped judging something I would see less, now after thinking about it that doesn't make sense. If I stop judging something the way I am I must judge it another way and obviously I will see more.
Its just a thought explaining my interpretation that we are like one feeling and each cell and each thing we are aware of is a different feeling which accumulates to a whole. I think that all we do in life is judge things and everything is based on that. Its just an attempt to simplify the complicated. I'm not going against the current theories. They say that a cell in the brain makes me feel a certain way and it creates this feeling, I say that a cell in the brain makes me feel a certain way because it judges something that is there. If you can see that it will make it much clearer, its just a clever little way to connect your feelings to the world without having to say it is then later processed by some X factor, instead the action is directly connected to the experience.

Oh and to the poster above, I'm glad it was interesting, thanks.