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Submersible
17th August 2006, 12:41 PM
People,

I understand if my perception of the message our Creator was sending to all of US is not acceptable to you because of the religious education you have been exposed to and have put your faith in. I apologize if this is insulting to you, and feel sorry for you if you find it unacceptable because I am comfortable with the fact that this will explain everything once and for all. This includes all you ever need to possibly achieve the life that was promised to you in certain religious text.

I see religion overall as constructive and as effective in this world today , as the "suicide/ terminator technology" modern science has discovered while they can't even cure a sugar diabetic. As long as religion continues to be honored and taught it will be as effective as the 'great white man' has been in his ability to end their war, so to every one of US it is a disease.
Religion is and has proven itself to be ironclad evidence of ‘mans’ weakness and the reason our truly natural existence will be a task to achieve for thousands, if not millions of years to come.
Jesus and Muhammad and every other man that has carried the message of their Creator and passed it on to others will always be a special part of every one of our lives. The same honor pertains to many other Prophet men who were strong enough to accept the message that they were not able to deliver effectively. Those two names only can and should be included in any instructions that may or may not be created to teach children about their spirutual source of life to explain the suffering of them and all the people who were murdered for answering their ' calling ' . They were strong enough to accept the task and face the consequences of others disbelief and hatred, even if they didn’t write anything down to explain this properly or changed it some to accommodate their own desires, they accomplished to provide us with this opportunity.
They were strong enough to accept and face the consequences of living and dying for a tremendous spirit of life that is very hard for most people to understand or accept because they could not see.
No man on this Earth should Ever be worshipped, they can earn the respect they deserve as individuals like everyone else and have no reason to be shamed for allowing their sins to expose us all too synthetic and many other extremely dangerous and hazardous chemicals. Men have been almost totally blinded by the confusion created by the men before them and the instructions they changed and used to influence their people to satisfy their desires.

As much as I respect and fear the hand of our spiritual ‘Father’ for removing mans name from religion and religion from the truth, it’s impossible for me to deny that the messages OBVIOUSLY originated from the spirit of our MOTHER. As She cried out and even SANG the instructions on how to save ourselves and live in unity with our brothers and sisters, so that not only could they live eternally they would not be engaged in any kind of fighting that would ever result in 'thermonuclear activities". This is being done to save my Creator from experiencing the pain of watching and knowing all the things they LOVE is being destroyed by an out of control "overestablished machine".
All things can be achieved through love and understanding, and this is a perfect example of how true that is.
I alone will face the consequences of pursuing our dream to the best of my ability, while dealing with the obstacle of not having this message to the voice or face of a man. I am at one with my creator and understand that no man should ever be worshipped on Earth or the possibility of false idols created in his image.

Possibly, if people work towards saving this EARTH some'thing' or MAN from outside of this universe or from another 'dimension' will come back and fulfill the promises that the people living today believe in according to their instructions, anything is possible.
All of the people living today agree on ONE unquestionable phrase,
" Always was, Always WILL BE "
So far that only applies to one person place or thing, but most people don’t accept that is where OUR spirit originated from and lives in our minds and bodies today, hopefully they will very soon.
Because what you were promised by ‘man’ has resulted in so many wasted lives and so many people who need to begin healing from the sins of the “ powers that be “,,, ‘man’ in general should be removed from the positions that control our destiny by those men and women who insist on providing their children with a brighter future. Immediately , by any and all means necessary regardless of the consequences, the consequences will be worse tomorrow and they cannot be dealt with until they arrive so stop considering your fears. You should fear the consequences of not saving your children from the fire you clearly see their future being thrown into, it is your own future as well.
I have some very good suggestions on how to do this as peacefull and strategically as possible to save the most lives once they are disconnected from everything, and I mean everything that doesn't make them stronger and isn't a source of pure love. Those 'tips' have been sent to many very influential people which is why some of you are reading this now. Now, will you go save yourselves? or keep looking for a reason to doubt the intentions of the source of all this, or the source of the message and the urgency of the situation. You are in control, people. It is ALL in your hands now, as it was and always be.

The message our Creator blessed us with cannot continue to be the tool that is being used to increase the likelyhood of World War I I I. Certainly the true Muslim people , not the one's who are influenced by the 9/11 masterminds, will fight to defend themselves if they have no other choice.
I believe the Muslim people are loving and peaceful as much as I believe the firefighters who said they heard a sequence of explosions as they escaped from the collapsing towers, and all the other first hand claims from people immediately following that experience. I hope we never have to find out how 'they' made this happen because the evidence will destroy if not eliminate the American people as they fight against this "invisible nonexistent superpowerful enemy" , it's just pure evil, and it can't keep representing our lives.
Sorry, I got sidetracked with controversy but that is important for me to make perfectly clear and for you to understand.

This is the message and directions for you to follow and teach that I feel is a perfect representation of what I feel and understand.
Don't settle for something when the possibility of what you really want is within your reach.
Find the love you need in your lives and stay with it, protect the life of everything you love and PRESERVE it to ensure YOUR own future existence, by any and all means necessary. By any and all means necessary meaning that if you cannot tolerate one more second of what you or the millions of other forms of life you love are experiencing because something is clearly working only to destroy them, and it is impossible to adjust or modify its function, kill it any way you have the ability to or die trying.
This applies to every’thing’ we could ever encounter, today it only applies to ‘the system’ and most of the machines working to enslave all of us.
That is the only “rule” you MUST to follow, it should be followed to inspire the guidelines and regulations created by women with the clear intent to bring more love joy and harmony into their children’s lives.
It’s that simple.

You know what can stay in our lives and you know what must go, nothing is important in your life compared to the life you can save.
Make sure you create something to teach your children that will inspire a "way of life" that MAN could never use to satisfy his desire to dominate or EVER give him the power to rape his own MOTHER and infect her with his seeds of WAR and use our Creators SPIRIT to teach children they should ovey 'MAN' ever ever again. I think 1 or 2 billion people is more than enough but that is not up to me. Protecting and preserving your life includes controlling man's seed to some extent.
Women should and can make all decisions on any and everything that will have an effect on or become aware to children, always. Your source of life should be the voice that guides you, always.
Anything you chose as a perception of the spirit above or greater than US, everything you presently believe in as the ""All Mighty Father" who IS watching over US, all of the possibilities and potential of a heaven and or hell for how you lived and treated each other here will never be changed.
So that all of the endless places a child’s imagination can travel will always be available for the minds to 'free roam', because nothing should limit or try to restrain our creativity or right to express our minds, ever.

This way, EVERYBODY that understand the instructions of how to life their lives to LOVE and UNITE with their brothers and sisters won't have to defend their FAITH against those who chose to believe in the instructions they have been taught in the religious books that EVERYBODY KNOWS have been delivered and written men.
So just like now, you will always have the right to chose and decide what is right and wrong based on the consequences of not doing the right thing.
I would hate to leave a chance for this message to be construed in any other way than a desire for us all to experience true love and a chance to obtain our pure natural desires.
Eventually, it would be very very possible for US to live for eternity with NO FAMINE, NO WAR, and the strength to reject any form of infection from natural or manmade diseases.
That's it.
Peace love harmony and light to shine on our future and the infinite possibilities.
Worship yourself and the LIFE you are surrounded with, there are some serious consequences to your choices regardless what somebody else may tell you.... WE are with you always.

Hopefully you understand, and thank you for this opportunity to explain the rhyme and reason for this song.

....listen.....

George Strait - Give it away

Marquis de Carabas
17th August 2006, 12:44 PM
I'll wait for the movie.

Darth Rotor
17th August 2006, 12:58 PM
Submersible, now that you have surfaced . . .
*a lot of thing, but mostly clearly the following*
I got sidetracked with controversy but that is important for me to make perfectly clear and for you to understand. It’s that simple.

. . . I can only suggest that you return to the wonderful world of Jacque Yves Cousteau.

Peace be with you

DR

drkitten
17th August 2006, 01:01 PM
I understand if my perception of the message our Creator was sending to all of US is not acceptable to you because of the religious education you have been exposed to and have put your faith in. I apologize if this is insulting to you, and feel sorry for you if you find it unacceptable because I am comfortable with the fact that this will explain everything once and for all.

I understand if my perception of Reality is not acceptable to you because of the lack of scientific and philosophical education you have been missed being exposed to. I apologize if this is insulting to you and feel sorry for you, because I am comfortable with the fact that everything you wrote in the opening post fails even to rise to the dignity of error.

It's not right. It's not even wrong.

Freethinker
17th August 2006, 01:23 PM
Apparently this confusing mass of words is intended to have a point, and that point is apparently important enough to the poster that it is posted elsewhere on the web. Like here:

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182409

Jimbo07
17th August 2006, 01:36 PM
What bizarre rambling! :boggled:

It's funny how some people seem to neither understand science nor religion. What exactly do they know then?

Regardless, I found one thing in the essential message to be spooky:


This is the message and directions for you to follow and teach that I feel is a perfect representation of what I feel and understand.

...

Find the love you need in your lives and... PRESERVE it... by any and all means necessary. By any and all means necessary meaning that if you cannot tolerate one more second... because something is clearly working only to destroy them, and it is impossible to adjust or modify its function, kill it any way you have the ability to or die trying.
This applies to every’thing’ we could ever encounter,

(emphasis mine) Someone here may need a little help! :eek:

Beleth
17th August 2006, 01:42 PM
What can one say, Submersible, but...

... thank you for your opinion.

andyandy
17th August 2006, 01:48 PM
achieve peace love harmony by killing those who stand in your way :D

Meffy
17th August 2006, 02:14 PM
.................. erm, yes. Aphex Twin = cool, yes?

Piscivore
17th August 2006, 02:20 PM
Submersible, now that you have surfaced . . .
. . . I can only suggest that you return to the wonderful world of Jacque Yves Cousteau.

F[rule 8] that, I don't want him! :)

fuelair
17th August 2006, 03:37 PM
Submersible if you believe that spouting you did, you are wasting your time here. If you are being what you think of as funny, you are incorrect and are wasting your time here. If you are trolling, you are incompetant at it and you are wasting your time here. If you want , truly, to understand how deeply wrong you are, you are not wasting your time here and are welcome.

Submersible
17th August 2006, 05:18 PM
Simple solutions to our worst problems are never welcome because they either offend some people or fail to accommodate other people's needs.

It certainly wasn't written or presented to satisfy the desires of people who have been born and raised to live and die inside of a material coated box.
More or less it is the only entry in the diary of a mad black woman.

You might prefer to feed and house the predators in your community so you can pay taxes and provide for their needs as they live in a cage like animals...
I think it would be much easier on all parties concerned to just take their head off.

and that point is apparently important enough to the poster that it is posted elsewhere on the web

that's one of the two only other websites I've posted it at and I don't recommend going there or looking into my other post because it's usually the same response as the one I got here,,, you don't want a big batch of me in your head.

achieve peace love harmony by killing those who stand in your way
I was born american... what more can I say.

Darth Rotor
17th August 2006, 05:23 PM
I was born american... what more can I say.
The less you do say, the better, as you really have nothing of merit to say, but instead make a lot of noise.

DR

Dark Jaguar
17th August 2006, 08:46 PM
I heard something about a chemical solution to eternal life on earth?

I wasn't aware having eternal life was a problem, but if you want a solution to it in chemical form, you could get some antifreeze.

In all seriousness though, what is the basis for your beliefs? You do seem to have constructed a large mythos but why is it you believe it to be so?

Meffy
18th August 2006, 06:04 AM
"The Ocean is the Ultimate Solution."
-- Frank Zappa

KingMerv00
18th August 2006, 06:48 AM
People,

I understand if my perception of the message our Creator was sending to all of US is not acceptable to you because of the religious education you have been exposed to and have put your faith in. I apologize if this is insulting to you, and feel sorry for you if you find it unacceptable because I am comfortable with the fact that this will explain everything once and for all. This includes all you ever need to possibly achieve the life that was promised to you in certain religious text.

I see religion overall as constructive and as effective in this world today , as the "suicide/ terminator technology" modern science has discovered while they can't even cure a sugar diabetic. As long as religion continues to be honored and taught it will be as effective as the 'great white man' has been in his ability to end their war, so to every one of US it is a disease.
Religion is and has proven itself to be ironclad evidence of ‘mans’ weakness and the reason our truly natural existence will be a task to achieve for thousands, if not millions of years to come.
Jesus and Muhammad and every other man that has carried the message of their Creator and passed it on to others will always be a special part of every one of our lives. The same honor pertains to many other Prophet men who were strong enough to accept the message that they were not able to deliver effectively. Those two names only can and should be included in any instructions that may or may not be created to teach children about their spirutual source of life to explain the suffering of them and all the people who were murdered for answering their ' calling ' . They were strong enough to accept the task and face the consequences of others disbelief and hatred, even if they didn’t write anything down to explain this properly or changed it some to accommodate their own desires, they accomplished to provide us with this opportunity.
They were strong enough to accept and face the consequences of living and dying for a tremendous spirit of life that is very hard for most people to understand or accept because they could not see.
No man on this Earth should Ever be worshipped, they can earn the respect they deserve as individuals like everyone else and have no reason to be shamed for allowing their sins to expose us all too synthetic and many other extremely dangerous and hazardous chemicals. Men have been almost totally blinded by the confusion created by the men before them and the instructions they changed and used to influence their people to satisfy their desires.

As much as I respect and fear the hand of our spiritual ‘Father’ for removing mans name from religion and religion from the truth, it’s impossible for me to deny that the messages OBVIOUSLY originated from the spirit of our MOTHER. As She cried out and even SANG the instructions on how to save ourselves and live in unity with our brothers and sisters, so that not only could they live eternally they would not be engaged in any kind of fighting that would ever result in 'thermonuclear activities". This is being done to save my Creator from experiencing the pain of watching and knowing all the things they LOVE is being destroyed by an out of control "overestablished machine".
All things can be achieved through love and understanding, and this is a perfect example of how true that is.
I alone will face the consequences of pursuing our dream to the best of my ability, while dealing with the obstacle of not having this message to the voice or face of a man. I am at one with my creator and understand that no man should ever be worshipped on Earth or the possibility of false idols created in his image.

Possibly, if people work towards saving this EARTH some'thing' or MAN from outside of this universe or from another 'dimension' will come back and fulfill the promises that the people living today believe in according to their instructions, anything is possible.
All of the people living today agree on ONE unquestionable phrase,
" Always was, Always WILL BE "
So far that only applies to one person place or thing, but most people don’t accept that is where OUR spirit originated from and lives in our minds and bodies today, hopefully they will very soon.
Because what you were promised by ‘man’ has resulted in so many wasted lives and so many people who need to begin healing from the sins of the “ powers that be “,,, ‘man’ in general should be removed from the positions that control our destiny by those men and women who insist on providing their children with a brighter future. Immediately , by any and all means necessary regardless of the consequences, the consequences will be worse tomorrow and they cannot be dealt with until they arrive so stop considering your fears. You should fear the consequences of not saving your children from the fire you clearly see their future being thrown into, it is your own future as well.
I have some very good suggestions on how to do this as peacefull and strategically as possible to save the most lives once they are disconnected from everything, and I mean everything that doesn't make them stronger and isn't a source of pure love. Those 'tips' have been sent to many very influential people which is why some of you are reading this now. Now, will you go save yourselves? or keep looking for a reason to doubt the intentions of the source of all this, or the source of the message and the urgency of the situation. You are in control, people. It is ALL in your hands now, as it was and always be.

The message our Creator blessed us with cannot continue to be the tool that is being used to increase the likelyhood of World War I I I. Certainly the true Muslim people , not the one's who are influenced by the 9/11 masterminds, will fight to defend themselves if they have no other choice.
I believe the Muslim people are loving and peaceful as much as I believe the firefighters who said they heard a sequence of explosions as they escaped from the collapsing towers, and all the other first hand claims from people immediately following that experience. I hope we never have to find out how 'they' made this happen because the evidence will destroy if not eliminate the American people as they fight against this "invisible nonexistent superpowerful enemy" , it's just pure evil, and it can't keep representing our lives.
Sorry, I got sidetracked with controversy but that is important for me to make perfectly clear and for you to understand.

This is the message and directions for you to follow and teach that I feel is a perfect representation of what I feel and understand.
Don't settle for something when the possibility of what you really want is within your reach.
Find the love you need in your lives and stay with it, protect the life of everything you love and PRESERVE it to ensure YOUR own future existence, by any and all means necessary. By any and all means necessary meaning that if you cannot tolerate one more second of what you or the millions of other forms of life you love are experiencing because something is clearly working only to destroy them, and it is impossible to adjust or modify its function, kill it any way you have the ability to or die trying.
This applies to every’thing’ we could ever encounter, today it only applies to ‘the system’ and most of the machines working to enslave all of us.
That is the only “rule” you MUST to follow, it should be followed to inspire the guidelines and regulations created by women with the clear intent to bring more love joy and harmony into their children’s lives.
It’s that simple.

You know what can stay in our lives and you know what must go, nothing is important in your life compared to the life you can save.
Make sure you create something to teach your children that will inspire a "way of life" that MAN could never use to satisfy his desire to dominate or EVER give him the power to rape his own MOTHER and infect her with his seeds of WAR and use our Creators SPIRIT to teach children they should ovey 'MAN' ever ever again. I think 1 or 2 billion people is more than enough but that is not up to me. Protecting and preserving your life includes controlling man's seed to some extent.
Women should and can make all decisions on any and everything that will have an effect on or become aware to children, always. Your source of life should be the voice that guides you, always.
Anything you chose as a perception of the spirit above or greater than US, everything you presently believe in as the ""All Mighty Father" who IS watching over US, all of the possibilities and potential of a heaven and or hell for how you lived and treated each other here will never be changed.
So that all of the endless places a child’s imagination can travel will always be available for the minds to 'free roam', because nothing should limit or try to restrain our creativity or right to express our minds, ever.

This way, EVERYBODY that understand the instructions of how to life their lives to LOVE and UNITE with their brothers and sisters won't have to defend their FAITH against those who chose to believe in the instructions they have been taught in the religious books that EVERYBODY KNOWS have been delivered and written men.
So just like now, you will always have the right to chose and decide what is right and wrong based on the consequences of not doing the right thing.
I would hate to leave a chance for this message to be construed in any other way than a desire for us all to experience true love and a chance to obtain our pure natural desires.
Eventually, it would be very very possible for US to live for eternity with NO FAMINE, NO WAR, and the strength to reject any form of infection from natural or manmade diseases.
That's it.
Peace love harmony and light to shine on our future and the infinite possibilities.
Worship yourself and the LIFE you are surrounded with, there are some serious consequences to your choices regardless what somebody else may tell you.... WE are with you always.

Hopefully you understand, and thank you for this opportunity to explain the rhyme and reason for this song.

....listen.....

George Strait - Give it away

Hmmm....schizophrenia?

Nancarrow
18th August 2006, 06:56 AM
I've had loads of chemical solutions to life on earth.

None of them were eternal, but that's ok, I just had some more!

Didn't help me understand the OP though. :boxedin:

roger
18th August 2006, 07:08 AM
Hey, look, cut and paste (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182409).

Terry
18th August 2006, 07:15 AM
Actually science *is* very close to a cure for one kind of "sugar diabetes". Take that!

bignickel
18th August 2006, 07:21 AM
Dear Submersible,

Your posts have too many paragraphs.

Please remove all but two.

Thanks,
bignickel

PS I am not a crackpot.

fuelair
19th August 2006, 09:40 PM
You might prefer to feed and house the predators in your community so you can pay taxes and provide for their needs as they live in a cage like animals...
I think it would be much easier on all parties concerned to just take their head off.

you don't want a big batch of me in your head.

I would just as soon make it slower on them, but otherwise agree ON THAT POINT.
No, I do not - do not fear it or worry about it just your post rambles and is essentially a waste of time. I do not say that out of nastiness, just truth. Think it out, write it clearly, leave out pointless material and we might just pay it more attention- and leave religion out of it. Most of us will not ever accept religion as a reason to do anything (except have an orgy or meet singles - for those so inclined) - too many bad examples of that ( way too many people have been tortured / killed for religion to be acceptable). If Dog ever gets in my sights, it had better have a monumental excuse for religion 'cause it is my firm belief that IF he exists (and I do not believe he does) he would look a lot better with a third eye in the center of his forehead - if you get my drift.

RandFan
19th August 2006, 11:54 PM
Hopefully you understand, and thank you for this opportunity to explain the rhyme and reason for this song. Thank you. Harvey and I were just talking about this. And I've got to agree with you on the chemicals.

Sorry, I got sidetracked with controversy but that is important for me to make perfectly clear and for you to understand. We understand. Controversy is necessarily inevitable in a world full of true races.

Worship yourself and the LIFE you are surrounded with, there are some serious consequences to your choices regardless what somebody else may tell you.... WE are with you always. It's like you can see right through me...who is this "we"?

clarsct
20th August 2006, 12:05 AM
Mescaline. It's the only way to fly.

Submersible
20th August 2006, 06:54 PM
You know, it is impossible to satisfy people who have everything they could ever desire.

Your opinions would be different if you starved to death 6 months out of the year. Do any of you realize that approx 45 million children will die of starvation and disease over the next ten years? and another 500 million will be born into an environment full of war while they live at or below the poverty level?

I'm sure they are really concerned with providing a solution or seeing a change in the world that will satisfy all of you. :boxedin:

btw, I'm not on drugs.

http://www.worldrevolution.org/projects/globalissuesoverview/overview2/BriefPeace.htm

http://www.worldrevolution.org/

RandFan
20th August 2006, 07:30 PM
You know, it is impossible to satisfy people who have everything they could ever desire.

Your opinions would be different if you starved to death 6 months out of the year. Do any of you realize that approx 45 million children will die of starvation and disease over the next ten years? and another 500 million will be born into an environment full of war while they live at or below the poverty level?

I'm sure they are really concerned with providing a solution or seeing a change in the world that will satisfy all of you. :boxedin:

btw, I'm not on drugs.

http://www.worldrevolution.org/projects/globalissuesoverview/overview2/BriefPeace.htm

http://www.worldrevolution.org/

Exaclty, let's think of the children!

???

Isn't that a non-sequitur?

Foster Zygote
20th August 2006, 07:39 PM
Exaclty, let's think of the children!

???

Isn't that a non-sequitur?

Beats me. I'm still trying to figure out if Submersible sees religion as "constructive and effective" or a "disease".

Steven

RandFan
20th August 2006, 07:45 PM
Exactly, let's think of the children!

???

Isn't that a non-sequitur? Ok, I can see where you might have responded with starving children. In any event it is an appeal to emotion.

Sub, your original post is largely incoherent. I have no idea what you are on about. Could you state your position in a single paragraph and keep it as simple as possible?

Perhaps you could answer some questions.

Do you believe in God?
Are you against organized religion?
Do you believe that religion is simply a result of the inadequacies of humans?
Do you believe 9/11 was a conspiracy theory?
Do you believe that globalization is the source of the poverty you speak of?
Is globalization what you mean by the "machine"?
Do you have a message that you believe is a kind of salvation for humankind?

RandFan
20th August 2006, 07:47 PM
Beats me. I'm still trying to figure out if Submersible sees religion as "constructive and effective" or a "disease".

StevenYeah, me too. I've read through his post a couple of times and I can't quite get the gist of it.

Foster Zygote
20th August 2006, 07:51 PM
Yeah, me too. I've read through his post a couple of times and I can't quite get the gist of it.

"His?" I thought Sub was a "mad black woman". =0)

Steven

Beerina
21st August 2006, 06:46 AM
I see religion overall as constructive and as effective in this world today , as the "suicide/ terminator technology" modern science has discovered while they can't even cure a sugar diabetic.

Wouldn't be a problem if god hadn't been such a sloppy engineer. If He were a human, he'd have long since been sued into oblivion for such mistakes as diabetes, heart disease, cancer, bacteria, and viruses.

Personally, I'd lead the charge to rake him over for sticking us in a universe where we can not only harm, but torture each other. What kind of sick idea is that?

No, seriously. What kind of sick idea is that?

Jesus and Muhammad and every other man that has carried the message of their Creator and passed it on to others will always be a special part of every one of our lives. The same honor pertains to many other Prophet men who were strong enough to accept the message that they were not able to deliver effectively. Those two names only can and should be included in any instructions that may or may not be created to teach children about their spirutual source of life to explain the suffering of them and all the people who were murdered for answering their ' calling ' .

Those names can and should be included in any instructions created to teach children about how fraudulent, seductive, charismatic hucksters can sway the hoi polloi and gain power and money.

I guarantee if children were taught that about them, the general human condition would improve immensly.

I am at one with my creator and understand that no man should ever be worshipped on Earth or the possibility of false idols created in his image.

Even if the "Creator" exists, I note worshipping it is also a silly thing.

Possibly, if people work towards saving this EARTH some'thing' or MAN from outside of this universe or from another 'dimension' will come back and fulfill the promises that the people living today believe in according to their instructions, anything is possible.

Why give instructions? Why not repair all the faults in this universe so that these "instructions" (which, by the way, won't do jack squat to get cheap food on the table -- only unrestricted, greedy capitalism has ever managed that) are no longer needed. Why "love your neighbor", in the sense of helping them get food, if you can't starve to death to begin with? Why "comfort" them if it's impossible to be physically suffering because of improved bodily design?

All of the people living today agree on ONE unquestionable phrase,
" Always was, Always WILL BE "

Ironically, this is the only philosophical answer I have seen to the question of "Why does anything exist at all?" but that's not quite what I think you think you're getting at.

It's also possible that with utter nothingness, there aren't even any rules that things can't pop into existence.


Because what you were promised by ‘man’ has resulted in so many wasted lives

What they largely promised was to continue leading as per your two religious icon heroes mentioned above. That seems to be the problem, not the solution.

Eventually, it would be very very possible for US to live for eternity with NO FAMINE, NO WAR, and the strength to reject any form of infection from natural or manmade diseases.

Populations that enshrine rights, including property rights, have largely achieved this. And solutions to "forms of infections" are produced at the most rapid rate in such societies. The trick is how to get the rest of the planet here from there.

Meffy
21st August 2006, 11:38 AM
the hoi polloi

Very small quibble. You don't need "the" there; it's redundant -- "hoi" is Greek for "the." Just "hoi polloi" by itself means "the masses," with the understanding that they're unwashed and so forth.

Otherwise, yeah, what you said goes for me too.

fuelair
21st August 2006, 06:59 PM
You know, it is impossible to satisfy people who have everything they could ever desire.

Your opinions would be different if you starved to death 6 months out of the year. Do any of you realize that approx 45 million children will die of starvation and disease over the next ten years? and another 500 million will be born into an environment full of war while they live at or below the poverty level?

I'm sure they are really concerned with providing a solution or seeing a change in the world that will satisfy all of you. :boxedin:

btw, I'm not on drugs.

http://www.worldrevolution.org/projects/globalissuesoverview/overview2/BriefPeace.htm

http://www.worldrevolution.org/

I guarantee that if we have a "world revolution" I will make sure more of them than me don't survive to benefit from it. I'm sorry there are not sufficient materials on this planet for all to live well, but I do not plan to be among those who do not and I do not plan to sit idly while they try to bring everyone else down. Also, I chose not to reproduce - if more made that intelligent choice, this problem might be significantly lessened without adjustments.

fuelair
21st August 2006, 07:04 PM
You know, it is impossible to satisfy people who have everything they could ever desire.

Your opinions would be different if you starved to death 6 months out of the year. Do any of you realize that approx 45 million children will die of starvation and disease over the next ten years? and another 500 million will be born into an environment full of war while they live at or below the poverty level?

I'm sure they are really concerned with providing a solution or seeing a change in the world that will satisfy all of you. :boxedin:

btw, I'm not on drugs.

http://www.worldrevolution.org/projects/globalissuesoverview/overview2/BriefPeace.htm

http://www.worldrevolution.org/

I guarantee that if we have a "world revolution" I will make sure more of them than me don't survive to benefit from it. I'm sorry there are not sufficient materials on this planet for all to live well, but I do not plan to be among those who do not and I do not plan to sit idly while they try to bring everyone else down. Also, I chose not to reproduce - if more made that intelligent choice, this problem might be significantly lessened without adjustments.

Submersible
22nd August 2006, 09:24 PM
Ok, I can see where you might have responded with starving children. In any event it is an appeal to emotion.

Sub, your original post is largely incoherent. I have no idea what you are on about. Could you state your position in a single paragraph and keep it as simple as possible?

Perhaps you could answer some questions.

Do you believe in God? It depends on what your definition of God is. If God is someONE or someTHING that is supposed to return from "outerspace" and solve all of our problems .. then No.

Are you against organized religion? I think it's an excuse most people use to pass the long term future of their children on the shoulders of someone else.
Keep in mind that EVERYONE in my family is "religious" , most of them are VERY religious.

Do you believe that religion is simply a result of the inadequacies of humans?
Pretty much.

Do you believe 9/11 was a conspiracy theory?
There are so many things I could tell you about 9/11 if I didn't just get released from federal prison for what I TYPED, and I didn't have a court date pending. sorry,, but sharing my story with you just isn't worth risking my freedom.

Do you believe that globalization is the source of the poverty you speak of?
How do you explain half of the world physically wasting away to poverty and disease and the other half wasting away with sin and gluttony?

Is globalization what you mean by the "machine"?
What is your understanding of the word "globalization" since you have used it in two sentences?

Do you have a message that you believe is a kind of salvation for humankind?
Kinda sorta ,maybe ?

Idunno, did those thoughts come out of my mind or off the tips of my fingers?




I am a very uneducated down to Earth person, if that's what your sniffin' me out for. And I do believe a perfect way to solve the majority of our problems would be to take the WHIP out of MAN"S hands and hand it over to the WOMEN. I think that the world would be a much better place if women had the right to make the fundamental decisions, instead of them and their children being the prey for man and his desires.

I don't think I am anybody "special", nor am I trying to be if that's what's important to the majority of people who have responded to this thread. It's funny that many of you rush to judge me.

What they largely promised was to continue leading as per your two religious icon heroes mentioned above. That seems to be the problem, not the solution.

They deserve to be mentioned.

If Dog ever gets in my sights, it had better have a monumental excuse for religion 'cause it is my firm belief that IF he exists (and I do not believe he does) he would look a lot better with a third eye in the center of his forehead - if you get my drift.

You know that's REAL !
I agree with you 100%



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RandFan
22nd August 2006, 11:17 PM
There are so many things I could tell you about 9/11 if I didn't just get released from federal prison for what I TYPED, and I didn't have a court date pending. sorry,, but sharing my story with you just isn't worth risking my freedom. Fair enough. Good luck.

KingMerv00
23rd August 2006, 08:19 AM
*Pencil ready*

What was the chemical solution to eternal life on Earth again?

Hagrok
23rd August 2006, 08:26 AM
*Pencil ready*

What was the chemical solution to eternal life on Earth again?
Beer.

Dragonrock
23rd August 2006, 09:23 AM
Your opinions would be different if you starved to death 6 months out of the year.

I agree. My opinions would be very different if I starved to death every year. But, as it is I will only die once and that, as of yet, has not occured. I assure you that I shall post immediately upon my death to give you my new opinion on the subject.

nescafe
23rd August 2006, 09:56 AM
And I do believe a perfect way to solve the majority of our problems would be to take the WHIP out of MAN"S hands and hand it over to the WOMEN. I think that the world would be a much better place if women had the right to make the fundamental decisions, instead of them and their children being the prey for man and his desires.

You need to learn more about how dominance hierarchies work. If you would like to read more on the subject, Chimpanzee Politics (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801863368/) is an entertaining read.

As far as giving power to women by taking it away from men, that is silly. Utopian fantasies aside, there is no evidence that a society run by women would be any better than a society run by men (for that matter, no society I have ever heard of has been run entirely by one gender). As a feminist, I believe that both genders should be in charge. :)

KingMerv00
23rd August 2006, 10:03 AM
Women aren't in charge now?

nescafe
23rd August 2006, 10:16 AM
Women aren't in charge now?
Mine certianly is. But I am the one wielding leather implements of distraction in the house. Funny how that works out...

KingMerv00
23rd August 2006, 10:52 AM
Hey Sub, are you a man or a woman?

Trantor
23rd August 2006, 11:04 AM
This is a tough one. I read the entire original post and I can't figure it out. What is the chemical solution?

KingMerv00
23rd August 2006, 11:07 AM
Estrogen perhaps?

Tricky
23rd August 2006, 12:16 PM
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

fuelair
23rd August 2006, 03:49 PM
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

And if you're not part of either, you're all washed up!!

Skeptic Guy
23rd August 2006, 04:20 PM
Hey, look, cut and paste (http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182409).

Well that was a tiptoe through weirdville. :confused:

Skeptic Guy
23rd August 2006, 04:27 PM
This is a tough one. I read the entire original post and I can't figure it out. What is the chemical solution?

If you look at the link that Roger provided, our friend Sub or "Love n it" as he seems to be known there, is talking about fuses and "bam, bam, bam"...

Or this from the same site

The worst part is, I know exactly how to do it but the fuse is about 2200 miles away and there is no way to get there with the money I would need without somebody, or the "law" stopping me.

Kind of giving me the willies.

Dragonrock
24th August 2006, 07:15 AM
Well that was a tiptoe through weirdville. :confused:

Nothing could have summed it up better!

Submersible
24th August 2006, 10:13 PM
If you look at the link that Roger provided, our friend Sub or "Love n it" as he seems to be known there, is talking about fuses and "bam, bam, bam"...

Or this from the same site



Kind of giving me the willies.

I asked you not to go there. Why don't you just ask me questions?

Be unique !

RandFan
24th August 2006, 10:15 PM
This is a tough one. I read the entire original post and I can't figure it out. What is the chemical solution? 7%

Submersible
24th August 2006, 10:22 PM
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject:
THIS IS FROM ANOTHER FORUM
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"ISLAM, what is it?
The question is, is it at all possible to define Islam?"

Of course, since it contains the same message as the two other dominant religions if you could explain one of them it would apply to everybody's struggle.



"Thus a Muslim ends up a walking robot having no mind of its own."



Isn't it possible that due to the source of contamination to the messages that the men who used the information to influence their desires would also be the reason this religion has the most potential to result in "sheeple" ? The directions in this message were intentionally delivered as a harmonic presentation. Ignorant men are responsible for almost everybody living like they have no mind of their own, if they did would a real man live like his children do not have to pay for the consequences of his mistakes?
NO!
I've got bad news for you if you thought somebody else was going to come here from another world and magically fix it for you.


"The most important is the Muslim belief that the Quran is the perfect divine revelation that has been preserved perfectly and we have the task of proving otherwise despite the fact that Muslims have failed to prove what they claim about the Quran."



No other religion attempts to maintain an opinion that claims preservation of the original message was so critical to their beliefs that they consider it divine, that is why they do not question or doubt the instructions they are taught to follow as step by step directions. However complex to understand, they assume that Allah does everything for a perfectly good reason.

They understand that the origin of the message leaves them with the inability to cooperate with their brothers because they are Certain Allah is waiting to greet them as they arrive in home of eternal perfection. All religions use eternal life somewhere else to explain why they must live exactly according to what that religion tells them.


"Some muslims look at islam as a religion that is purely spiritual eg sufies."



If it were not a spirit of love and suffering that offered this illiterate man with a message, how could he have produced something that resembles previously written scriptures and the same underlying intentions?


"All muslims ever did was to rob others and live on that."



I took these sentence out of their original context to communicate with you so the burden of failure didn't include the burden of failing to make my best effort to consider every possible solution.
Racism is a disease and I have come to far to allow something that infects you to interfere with my task. Grow up.

"A
nyway the first 86 suras that were allegedly revealed to Muhammad in Makkah in first thirteen years of his mission are as follows."



But during the first 13 years his desires were obviously not as powerful as the true message. At some point eventhough he knew how important it was to deliver the truth exactly like he understood it, he crossed the line at some point which doesn't look very hard to determine. Once violence was encouraged in the message it meant he felt strong enough to control the world from then on out. It's just a matter of seperating the directions that would bring people together from the instructions on how to enforce it.
If the Old and New testaments are both presented as an effort to achieve such a similar result, and the message Muhammad delivered as an illiterate man who had no ability to comprehend the previously written scriptures promotes the same unity and desired result, is there any doubt that they all came from the same source?



"The question is, how many of these 28 suras talk of violence etc against nonmuslims by muslims? Why such violence was not encouraged against nonmuslims the while Muhammad was in Makkah at the beginning of his mission?"



Take a wild guess. It has something to do with the desire you have to say ""All muslims ever did was to rob others and live on that."
Men are warmongers because they are constantly intimidated by the thought that the other men have a bigger STICK than them, so he must destroy anything that could show his woman what a real man feels like between her legs. Men are insecure so they want to kill anything that threatens them. Or talk trash about them behind their backs.



"It is also important to note that not only there was no fixed recorded chronological order of the quran but that there was never any fixed compilation order either. Hence we find in islamic sources information showing a great deal of variations and conflicts. "



Maybe somebody didn't put the third message they tried to save us with in order so men couldn't use this one to manipulate and control people like the other ones that has left so many people vulnerable to mans experimentation.
A logical explanation for this can be found by listening to the Quran being performed in original Arabic form.
It is a song, with striking similarities of the same pure desire to acheive unity that is also expressed in the old and new testaments.

Every man that touched the scriptures burried the true message deeper and deeper by translating it to manipulate and satisfy the changes from time and cultures, they all contained some very influential messages and instructions that applied to everybody that would read them. If the messages felt like they had been delivered by an ALL MIGHTY GOD would so many men changed the meanings?

Thus my critical examination of islamic sources leads me to conclude that islam has no basis whatsoever as a religion appointed by an almighty God."



Your exactly right.
The spirit responsible for the message that failed to escape the influence of man is not almighty. Consider the source as a natural existence that doesn't have the ability to communicate directly with the children she is responsible for creating. She has no ability to teach them how to preserve their own future and in turn no chance of surviving either. Nor providing life to the billions of other beautiful creatures that she was the source of life to before humans evolved from the ocean into a species of unsatisfiable source consuming heathens.


"As far as religions and religious people are concerned, each and every religion and its followers agree that people must unite as a single community. The problem is that each religion and its followers invite people to unite only and only under that religion."



That's because no man with the power to influence others has bothered to search for the truth in the lost message that was universally acceptable each time it was delivered. If you take away everything man has done to influence religion between the three most powerful and contradicting faiths all of them contain a source of true love and pure desire for US to experience eternal life.
If you take away every name and title used to detail each mans differences, and use common sense it will be obvious that the same spirit has tried and failed to secure our future no matter how hard She tried, on three seperate occassions.
As powerful as the message is, because it provided a path towards peace unity and eternal life, no man could resist the temptation of tasting the power in the instructions he was supposed to deliver for everyone to consider. As he spoke about it the power and influence was obvious, so he turned it into a tool that would create an image for HIM to be of the utmost importance, and HE was seen as setting upon a pedestal.



"So the concept of unity is beyond dispute. The problem however is the goal for unity ie why we must unite for what ultimate purpose or end? "



The purpose is to prevent someTHINGs from a world of sin and a life so careless that it doesn't bother them to know that the poisons they crave are eating their own childrens future.


"The reason there is no solution for this problem is because all religions are based on superstition ie no religion is based on any scientific principle so that it could be verified for its truth. Whenever anyone would apply scientific methods for testing any religion for its truth, he would find each and every religion false. "



Science cannot recognize the similarities between the messages?
Maybe the labratory that developed the "terminator technology" and sends some of their employee's to work at the White House to control the war food and pharmacutical drugs in this nation will be able to connect the dots from here on out without my help.
I guess some scientist believe they are smart enough now that if they were living several thousand years ago they could have come up with a similar story that made their desires represent those of our Creator. Just like the rest of the idiots that though they could create a better scenario of how people could live comfortably while they were also in charge of deciding what to change so everybody could live like they wanted to.
Superstition this...
A mans desire to manipulate would in no way resemble the characteristics of pure love and the desire to experience an eternal life surrounded in harmony by healthy natural beautiful creatures of all walks of life, experiencing their lives in a perfectly natural environment. An evil hearted man doen't have the ability to even consider such possibilities.

So how could any of the messages that clearly craved such a thing not be recognized? I guess everybody thought that controlling manipulating men are capable of creating a perfect environment that would accomodate our needs for eternity???

Everytime they see a woman they can't see past their boobs !@


"It is therefore quite clear that as people become more and more sensible or logical, they will find less and less reasons for remaining divided."



Hmm...


"The only way people can unite is by leaving religions behind altogether and starting anew, because religions have become a serious problem for mankind to solve but it has no solution whatsoever"



It's not that hard to solve, find a 10 or 11 year old sweet little child. Explain so she can understand that for homework tonight she has to find a hidden message with the ability to save the world hidden in ten thousand pages of scripture.
And place it in front of her.
Tell her the way it was all translated from different languages and manipulated by some very bad men to cause the suffering we are experiencing today. Explain that there is no way to determine which phrases are true but at least 95% of them are wrong. And if she thinks she found a pure intention there is no way to for anybody to prove so it's all up to her to determine what is right and wrong.
Tell her that everybody and everything is going to die if she gets any part of the message wrong. And it has to be found tonight.
Now, what do you think she will do first?

run and scream """" MAAA MAAA !! """



Anybody know WHY she would do that first ?
Who do children run to when they need HELP ?
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RandFan
24th August 2006, 10:35 PM
The purpose is to prevent someTHINGs from a world of sin and a life so careless that it doesn't bother them to know that the poisons they crave are eating their own childrens future.

Science cannot recognize the similarities between the messages? :rolleyes: Sounds eerily familiar. Nah, couldn't be.

Dragonrock
25th August 2006, 06:46 AM
Okay, the words look like english but the phrases don't make sense. Am I missing something?

KingMerv00
25th August 2006, 07:35 AM
Okay, the words look like english but the phrases don't make sense. Am I missing something?

I called Schizophrenia early on in this thread. I'm sticking to that.

Foster Zygote
25th August 2006, 11:35 AM
:rolleyes: Sounds eerily familiar. Nah, couldn't be.

Yes, ~eerily~ familiar. If they meet will they annihilate like a positron and an electron?

Steven

Foster Zygote
25th August 2006, 11:37 AM
Okay, the words look like english but the phrases don't make sense. Am I missing something?

I think the term is "word salad".

Steven

Marquis de Carabas
25th August 2006, 11:38 AM
I think the term is "word salad".
...officially making Sub a tosser.

Trantor
25th August 2006, 12:15 PM
I called Schizophrenia early on in this thread. I'm sticking to that.

Agreed. Looks like the correct diagnosis, Doc.

KingMerv00
25th August 2006, 01:23 PM
Agreed. Looks like the correct diagnosis, Doc.

At least he isn't as bad as timecube guy.

Dragonrock
25th August 2006, 01:34 PM
At least he isn't as bad as timecube guy.

The worst thing about the timecube guy is his choice of colors.

Submersible
28th August 2006, 02:43 PM
If you look at the link that Roger provided, our friend Sub or "Love n it" as he seems to be known there, is talking about fuses and "bam, bam, bam"...

Or this from the same site



Kind of giving me the willies.


You kinda remind me of the prosecutors in LA.
Don't get it twisted, I'm talking about somehow helping a few sick and starving children. For some reason I think it would be wise instead of waiting for their "fate" to be my family's "blessing" after this life for watching them die and doing nothing about it. Payback's a bitch... all around the world.

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Much like a series of GOOD events.

Submersible
27th September 2006, 10:28 PM
Hey Sub, are you a man or a woman?

Man in the physical, woman in spirit, both at heart.

Hey, I was wondering....
why did most of you type my name in red?

*bump*

Beerina
28th September 2006, 07:33 AM
You might prefer to feed and house the predators in your community so you can pay taxes and provide for their needs as they live in a cage like animals...
I think it would be much easier on all parties concerned to just take their head off.

Technically you are correct. Prisons are a luxury modern society can afford to have. In hunter-gatherer societies, you couldn't afford to "jail" a thief, nor could you afford to let him go. So you killed him or just cut his hand off. This served the double purpose of both ending them as a problem and warning others not to behave that way.


Possibly, if people work towards saving this EARTH some'thing'

Why jump through silly hoops set up by supernatural beings? Trash it all, I say! Let 'em know we're not gonna be their stupid lab animals anymore.

All of the people living today agree on ONE unquestionable phrase,
" Always was, Always WILL BE "

Actually, Stephen Hawking suggests that, as you go back in time towards the Big Bang, the time dimension rotates into a physical dimension; hence there is no "first moment", per se, and the concept of what was "before" is meaningless. Although I will still wonder how a "quantum potential for existence" came about.

I believe the Muslim people are loving and peaceful as much as I believe the firefighters who said they heard a sequence of explosions as they escaped from the collapsing towers

Warning, woo idea pileup ahead. Assuming some actually said this, that does not mean anything, as a collapsing building of that size is unprecedently loud. How to tell the difference between an explosion and a thousand multi-ton girders hitting things at 100mph over and over again?

Beerina
28th September 2006, 07:48 AM
Take a wild guess. It has something to do with the desire you have to say ""All muslims ever did was to rob others and live on that."
Men are warmongers because they are constantly intimidated by the thought that the other men have a bigger STICK than them, so he must destroy anything that could show his woman what a real man feels like between her legs. Men are insecure so they want to kill anything that threatens them. Or talk trash about them behind their backs.

Actually, I agree that the male attitude as one of domination to become the best male in the eyes of the females (who are not without blame, as it takes too to tango) leads males to both lift themselves up (good) and push others down (bad) since both affect their status relative to other males. This leads to sexism (keeping females down since a female "better than you" makes you look really, really bad), racism ("something's wrong with them" puts an entire class of competition out of business, highly efficient), and religious hatred for a similar principle.

The faster science genetically gets rid of the male attitude, the better.



That's because no man with the power to influence others has bothered to search for the truth in the lost message that was universally acceptable each time it was delivered.

I still refuse to jump through hoops The Gods have created. Now I just have to avoid other males' layin' the slapdown on me as they strive to raise themselves up in the eyes of females.


As powerful as the message is, because it provided a path towards peace unity and eternal life, no man could resist the temptation of tasting the power in the instructions he was supposed to deliver for everyone to consider.

Actually, if "The Gods" rebuilt reality such that people could not kill, nor physically cause pain in each other, that would do a hell of a lot more to solve problems. Again, you're just talking about how we are "instructed" to jump through The Gods' hoops. No thanks.


Everytime they see a woman they can't see past their boobs !@

Ironically, this is a good state of being. It's the need and want and pain that is the flaw in universal design.


It's not that hard to solve, find a 10 or 11 year old sweet little child. Explain so she can understand that for homework tonight she has to find a hidden message with the ability to save the world hidden in ten thousand pages of scripture.
And place it in front of her.
Tell her the way it was all translated from different languages and manipulated by some very bad men to cause the suffering we are experiencing today. Explain that there is no way to determine which phrases are true but at least 95% of them are wrong. And if she thinks she found a pure intention there is no way to for anybody to prove so it's all up to her to determine what is right and wrong.

Most religions hypothesize their holy works were "kept pure" through copying and translations; otherwise, it melts into the mess you describe. And who wants to believe a God would do that to them? But either way, it makes the "jumping through hoops" idea all that much more idiotic.

Zep
28th September 2006, 09:58 AM
achieve peace love harmony by killing those who stand in your way :DPeace, or I'll kill you?

Wheezebucket
28th September 2006, 11:20 AM
Man in the physical, woman in spirit, both at heart.

Hey, I was wondering....
why did most of you type my name in red?

*bump*

Wow...

Did you happen to do a search for your name, by chance?

That'd be why.

Submersible
3rd October 2006, 03:57 PM
Why jump through silly hoops set up by supernatural beings? Trash it all, I say! Let 'em know we're not gonna be their stupid lab animals anymore.


Did what I originally post not suggest that to you?
Because it should have.


Warning, woo idea pileup ahead. Assuming some actually said this, that does not mean anything, as a collapsing building of that size is unprecedently loud. How to tell the difference between an explosion and a thousand multi-ton girders hitting things at 100mph over and over again?

I've already been through a thorough reaming in the LC volume 4 thread concerning my opinion of the events of 9/11. Apparently if you do not worship the word of the USG, NIST or Popular Mechanics, people like me are considered idiots by most of the members of this forum.
Try to pretend that I have completely changed my mind and that I now believe it was a coincidence that the basement blew out of tower 1&2 after the planes hit, and that tower 7 was so depressed about seeing those two superstructures fall out of the sky.. that it also collapsed later that afternoon, after making sure everybody in the surrounding area KNEW that it was about to collapse. ;)


I still refuse to jump through hoops The Gods have created. Now I just have to avoid other males' layin' the slapdown on me as they strive to raise themselves up in the eyes of females.

Ditto, I say we worship the life of and on this Earth instead of a potentially faux male role model that is going to reward us after this life... a life in which we all contributed to destroying this Earth.
The popular Christian/Catholic/Jewish/American "path" is to live in the utmost comfort and enjoy a "consumer friendly" way of life.
It's kinda like... live by the book-**** your mother source of life...
if you want your "Our Father" to reward you.
Most people don't see it that way, but in my eyes it appears as if that is exactly what we are in the process of doing.


Actually, if "The Gods" rebuilt reality such that people could not kill, nor physically cause pain in each other, that would do a hell of a lot more to solve problems. Again, you're just talking about how we are "instructed" to jump through The Gods' hoops. No thanks.

You go from not wanting to jump through hoops to wanting to have your hands permanently attached to your ?? what do you suggest we do with them ? :catfight:



Most religions hypothesize their holy works were "kept pure" through copying and translations; otherwise, it melts into the mess you describe. And who wants to believe a God would do that to them? But either way, it makes the "jumping through hoops" idea all that much more idiotic.

I guess somewhere, someone, somehow... the fine line between "jumping through hoops" and being "spoonfed" all of your life has to be drawn
AND defined. The most significant thing we over look in our image of God is that it was told to all of us that he/she/it existed only in the form of a "spirit". Now, for some reason most organized forms of religion have their followers looking up in the sky waiting for a man to come back with His magic wand and solve all of our problems. I can't see where someone would blame our present day problems on God, as if He is doing this to us, because so many people believe that He can return when the tims is right and "do His thing"... whatever each persons perception of that may be.

Peace, or I'll kill you?
Attempt to molest or destroy my children's future and I will kill you... that is,
IF we ever had a chance to truly live in peace.
It's not a very alien concept, and it's a damn shame that it doesn't apply to the world we live in today.
I'm not talking about fighting for peace, it means if you come into my home or approach my family or community with the intent to harm or destroy their lives... eat **** and die!
Considering the "hounds of hell" that our tax dollars have created and deployed on civilians in other parts of the world to see that JUSTICE is served, staying at home and protecting your own ground should sound like PEACE as it is defined by the word.
The war our soldiers are fighting today started as a hunt for OBL, and look at how many innocent civilian lives have been destroyed and taken because what? they got in our way?
It's almost funny that our excuse for continuing this was is because a certain percentage of the Muslim world WANTS to destroy the Israel/American way, while we conviently overlook the fact that our military is tromping through their villages.
If the USG or USM really wanted to find OBL maybe they should have checked with his 100 or so family members that were flown out of the country on 9/11 after all other air traffic was grounded.

excuse my rant.

Wow...

Did you happen to do a search for your name, by chance?

That'd be why.

Wow... everybody judged me by my username,
that's pretty shallow, no pun intended.


*thank ya'll for responding*

Mashuna
4th October 2006, 01:13 AM
Hey, I was wondering....
why did most of you type my name in red?


Wow...

Did you happen to do a search for your name, by chance?

That'd be why.


Wow... everybody judged me by my username,
that's pretty shallow, no pun intended.



It's not that people judged you by your username. If you've come to this thread by using the search function, the word that you used to search on will show up in red. So, if you searched for your name, it'll show up in red - people aren't typing it that way ;)

Submersible
20th October 2006, 04:28 PM
How do you think I find this thread?

It doesn't show up in red when I search it:confused:
anyway.

Glen.Nogami
22nd October 2006, 08:28 PM
So I've been following the thread, I thought. But what were those posts about Islam and Emeril? :confused:

RandFan
22nd October 2006, 10:10 PM
So I've been following the thread, I thought. But what were those posts about Islam and Emeril? :confused:Aha, you haven't imbibed enough solution.