MiG intercept video of UFO

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://www.break.com/index/declassified_russian_ufo_tape.html

Don't blame me, I just find this stuff.

[TobiasTheCommie]

ok, i won't

* TobiasTheCommie blames lisa.

[ObscureReferenceMan]

Meh. And how did they come up with their size of the thing? Could have been a cruise missle for all we know.

[Overman]

http://www.break.com/index/declassified_russian_ufo_tape.html

Don't blame me, I just find this stuff.

I blame the system.

[robinson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUt75HOOC94

If you like UFO footage, it is all over youTube. The above link is even better (from same show), because it can't be a cruise missle.

[Loss Leader]

What in the heck am I supposed to be seeing?

[robinson]

A video. :D

[geni]

Hmm MiG-25? or perhaps MiG-31? view from the right angle they could look like that.

[Starthinker]

Looks to me like shadows on the cloud. As whatever is casting the shadow pulls up, the shadow appears to zoom away.

[gfunkusarelius]

there are so many optical illusions that could explain these videos that it wouldnt excite me unless i saw a bunch of detail and possibly a dude waving at me. could be things on the canopy that appear to parallax when the camera moves in relation to it, etc. not very compelling but i guess the second one is slightly neater

[c0rbin]

YouTube...

The beginning and end of all credulity.

Exhibit A: "scariest ufo video ever real aliens!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6XUUBRMEMo&NR

[Dazed]

Yo guys, this reminds me of something I saw once.

I don't believe in aliens or ufos, but I saw this thing in the sky one day that I couldn't figure out what it was. For the sake of simplicity I made a quick animation of it. Any ideas what it might be?

I've never hallucinated in my life, I definitely saw this, as well did my skeptical friend. Neither of us thought, nor think, anything of it except that it was kinda strange. It looked to just be a large aluminum tube, rather high up, rotating end over end, across the entire dome of the sky. It was travelling significantly slower than the clip portrays, but for filesize i sped it up. The rate of rotation was pretty constant. I'm in Toronto, in an area where there isn't many tall buildings nearby so we had a good look at it across pretty much the entire sky.

[infidelguy]

Rookies can't post links apparently

If you like UFO footage, it is all over youTube. The above link is even better (from same show), because it can't be a cruise missle.

That's realy interesting. I have no idea what that is. To me the larger object appeared to open up and the smaller object went inside it. I've seen lots of crazy crap while I was in the Army, tons of missile tests. So... it's possible to make something like this. but it's purpose?.. I have no idea.

[Dazed]

YouTube...

The beginning and end of all credulity.

Exhibit A: "scariest ufo video ever real aliens!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6XUUBRMEMo&NR

I think one of those ufos was a router. :eye-poppi

[Loss Leader]

Exhibit A: "scariest ufo video ever real aliens!!"



I don't know if it proves the existence of aliens, but it certainly proves the existence of college students.

[Big Les]

"Hi, I'm Roger Moore's pickled corpse, and welcome to a complete waste of your next 60 minutes".

I'm really not seeing the "phenomenonal acceleration" of this thing. Nor how they were able to estimate its speed, as it appears to be travelling from left to right. I vote shadow, but really, it could be *anything*.

The MiGs will have been vectored to an intercept on a radar contact, but this need not be that contact. The intercept radars on the MiG-21s were pretty primitive by today's standards; they could have lost their assigned contact (which could also have been anything!) and spotted that and recorded it just so that they weren't sent to Siberia or something. Without a size reference, or a ranging radar lock (I don't think migs of that era could have derived range from a lock on this thing, assuming they could have achieved one), it's notoriously difficult to work out how big an airborne object (if it is an object!) might be, and how far away it is. There's no frame of reference at that altitude.

[wipeout]

Declassified "Mig-21" footage, eh? ;)

At website I found with the same footage, someone called HaGintas says:

Absolutely a fake. The ejection seat in the footage is an ACES-II Ejection Seat. The seat is used on MODERN US fighters including the F-15, F-16, F-22, F-117, and A-10 and you would never find it on a Russian fighters from the 1950's. You can easily identify that the seat is in fact ACES-II look at the large slightly-exposed cylinder in the center of the seat and the two dropped pieces of metal near the pilots headrest.

Compare: http://www.xflight.de/f16/pe_org_par_ace.htm

In my honest opinion, I'm 99% sure that the cockpit footage is from an F-15E. See for yourself - notice a similarity? Look at the seat shape and the canopy style.

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Guest/219/

That's from just over half way down the page:

http://www.digg.com/videos_people/UFO_Cylinder_Chased_by_Soviet_MIG_21_Accelerates_G oogle_Video?cshow=2598180

Also, someone called r00t3r says:

The most important part of the film is what you aren't looking at. The back of the seat in front of the camera shows the back of a McDonnell Douglas ACESII ejection seat. Used in USAF aircraft. I know caused I worked on 'em for 4 years. That footage is not from a MIG-21.

http://xflight.powerweb.de/original/parts/aces_ii/0004_002.jpg

This is a picture of the back of an ACES II ejection seat. The only difference between the footage and the picture is the lack of personnel parachute.

Say, I never knew the Soviet Mig-21 used USAF ejector seats. :D

:busted

[wipeout]

Turns out people realized at the time that TV show came out in 1998, the "Mig 21" footage features the ACESII ejector seat from US aircraft:

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/sep/m15-005.shtml

[thaiboxerken]

It's amazing that people look at this garbage and are convinced that those really are spaceships.

[Patricio Elicer]

Declassified "Mig-21" footage, eh? ;)Good catch, wipeout (as ever!).

Here's a side by side pic of the ejection seat, for better comparison. The sketch on the right is from one of the links you provided.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9299/ejectionuh1.jpg

Can a Russian ejection seat be so similar to the American one?

[wipeout]

Hello again, Patricio. :)

I just found there is some footage of an F-15 taking part in an exercise which might be the basis of the UFO footage:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8980952176677757625

From 1:47 onwards, it looks similar but the exact same footage doesn't appear to be there. Of course, there could be a vast amount of footage taken from the backseat of an F-15...

[Patricio Elicer]

From 1:47 onwards, it looks similar but the exact same footage doesn't appear to be there. Of course, there could be a vast amount of footage taken from the backseat of an F-15...Yes, and the seats don't look exactly the same, but it's enough evidence that the "UFO video" is not fom a MIG plane.

Here's a comparison side by side once more: on the left is the seat from the UFO footage, and on the right is from the F15 video you posted. Any doubt you UFO nuts out there? ;)

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2379/ejection1qu8.jpg

[wipeout]

Nice comparison photos, Patricio. Thanks. I never noticed the extra bit on top of the seat. I was looking at the clouds to see if it ever matched.

Something I did notice, though, is that the UFO wobbles as it flies. :D

[Spektator]

I think Starthinker nailed it: the shadow of an aircraft on the clouds.

[Thomas]

Hi Patricio and Wipeout :)

If that's a MIG-21 as he says in the beginning, then it has to be one of the few trainer variants, because all the non-training 21's are single-seated.

Here's the inside from one of those few double-seated MIG-21's:

http://www.richter.neuhardenberg.org/gmig7.jpg

At least that sure doesn't look anything like the McDonnell Douglas ACESII ejection seat.

[soulhill]

I should also point out that the "Match move" is sloppy on this which leads me to believe it is a special effect.

[Miss Whiplash]

I agree with Starthinker too. That image is similar to a 1960's "ufo" film taken from a passenger jet. It was the shadow of the aircraft itself on clouds below.

[Patricio Elicer]

Hi Patricio and Wipeout :)

If that's a MIG-21 as he says in the beginning, then it has to be one of the few trainer variants, because all the non-training 21's are single-seated.

Here's the inside from one of those few double-seated MIG-21's:

At least that sure doesn't look anything like the McDonnell Douglas ACESII ejection seat.Hi Thomas!.

Good pic, another "weapon" to confront UFO enthusiasts I've been discussing this very same case with on another forum.

[Correa Neto]

[UFO creduloid]
OK, its not a MiG, but this is not proof that the object is an alien spacecraft!
[/UFO creduloid]

[robinson]

On a slighty different different note, I could create any of the UFO effects on any footage, with little effort. So video in and of itself don't mean jacksh*t without other creds.

For example, this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtKuBKIaVvs
would be EASY to duplicate or fake. In fact, I just might create some good crap like that and upload it to Google.

[robinson]

Or would that be wrong?






















:duck:

[Starthinker]

Or would that be wrong?

Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!

[robinson]

OK, but this [insert four letter word here] is time consuming, so I want some damn help. Raw footage source, and none of that damn flash conversion crap, what kind of UFO, and what should it do.

I personally lean towards some sort of JREF ref at the end, but only something you would know about.

heh



The older the footage the better, becauee we all know that declassified old stuff is more important.

[Starthinker]

OK, but this [insert four letter word here] is time consuming, so I want some damn help. Raw footage source, and none of that damn flash conversion crap, what kind of UFO, and what should it do.

I personally lean towards some sort of JREF ref at the end, but only something you would know about.

heh



The older the footage the better, becauee we all know that declassified old stuff is more important.

Me? I don't have anything that looks like declassified Air Force footage. I can film some cars on the highway or something.

[Wolverine]

Turns out people realized at the time that TV show came out in 1998...

I remember seeing it (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0224072/) when it first aired, and it was awful. To get an idea of the deliberate misrepresentations present in the program, check out the review (http://www.csicop.org/cmi/reviews/TNT-KGB.html) written by Jim Oberg.

[monkey]

Also it looks to change shape a bit as it moves (especially right at the start)...sort of like, oh, say, a shadow moving across an uneven surface (or over uneven clouds)

[wipeout]

Hi Patricio and Wipeout :)

Hello again, Thomas. :)

If that's a MIG-21 as he says in the beginning, then it has to be one of the few trainer variants, because all the non-training 21's are single-seated.

Ah, that's another good point.

As fakes go, this one is disappointingly unprofessional. :D

[wipeout]

"Hi, I'm Roger Moore's pickled corpse, and welcome to a complete waste of your next 60 minutes".

LOL :D

[Big Les]

I used to lap up that UFO sh1te as a teenager, so I bear old Rodge quite a grudge nowadays!

Anyway, as an aviation buff, I can't believe I missed the seat, and the fact that MiG-21s don't typically have two of them. Good catches those who got them though.