Killtown: What's your best "Inside job" evidence?

[Gravy]

Now that you've rested your case about the Val McClatchey photo, which you had described as the "smokingest smoking gun," what's your next strongest piece of evidence? When someone asks why you believe in the "inside job" theory, what fact do you really like to hit them with?

For instance, a page on your blog (http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/09/how-killtown-got-started.html) is devoted to the issues that convinced you that something was very fishy with the official story (excerpts):

Surely our Air Force with jetfighters that fly 3x faster than the hijacked planes and are always on alert and patrolling our skies could have at least intercepted one of these four hijacked planes.

Weeks later, my skepticism grew. On the radio, I heard that the area where the plane hit the Pentagon just happened to hit a section that was nearly empty due to renovation and to top it off, it was being renovated to "bolster it against an attack." As my eyes rolled after I heard this whopper of a coincidence, I remember saying to myself, "Oh geez, they [the military] probably allowed it to crash there."

Then, a couple months later, it all came together for me. One day while killing time on an internet message board (you know, I was bored at work) I came across a post with a link on it that changed my thoughts about 9/11 forever. When I clicked on it out of curiosity, it showed something that never dawned on me to check out before; pictures of the Pentagon crash scene. Literally within seconds of looking at the photos, I instantly knew that the plane we were told that crashed into the Pentagon didn’t.
(I highlighted some errors.)

So today, what's your strongest evidence?

[gumboot]

(I highlighted some errors.)


I ran across the "always patrolling our skies" claim recently somewhere, and was a little stunned by the bukkake of stupid. This particular site was claiming that the ADIZ is the area that is continually patrolled by roaming air force CAPS - in ADDITION to the NORAD Alert Bases!

:jaw-dropp

These people remind me of Daleks stuck in an M.C. Escher picture.

-Andrew

[TK0001]

the bukkake of stupid.

I snorted. And I'm in an airport.

Damn you.


I believe that killtown will say his most damning evidence is the undisputed fact that the copilot of flight 77 was gay, and gosh darnit there's just no way Burlingame would ever fly with someone who's openly gay.

:boggled:

ETA: from http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html(killtown's site):

Doesn't it seem odd that a person like Capt. Burlingame would be flying with a openly gay co-pilot?

This is his "evidence"??? :wide-eyed

[T.A.M.]

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[Gravy]

I believe that killtown will say his most damning evidence is the undisputed fact that the copilot of flight 77 was gay, and gosh darnit there's just no way Burlingame would ever fly with someone who's openly gay.
Oh, no he didn't!
http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html
Oh, yes he did!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

So Killtown can't see how Capt. Burlingame would associate with "one of those people". Nor, appearantly can he accept that a gay man can rise up to become a hero (Mark Bingham). And he openly mocks him and his family at every opportunity.

It seems that jews and gays occupy prominent positions on his hate list.

[twinstead]

So Killtown can't see how Capt. Burlingame would associate with "one of those people". Nor, appearantly can he accept that a gay man can rise up to become a hero (Mark Bingham). And he openly mocks him and his family at every opportunity.

It seems that jews and gays occupy prominent positions on his hate list.

The more I read these debates the more I feel there is just something fishy about this whole 'truth movement'....

[Killtown]

I was going to answer soon because I thought my Flight 93 plume theory was all but destroyed, but your fellow OCTs hit a MAJOR road block in proving their plume size estimations, so it looks like it might be a while longer now.

;)

[T.A.M.]

glad to see your willing to admit some of your evidence might be wrong and about to be destroyed. Whether this occurs, or not, your admission to possibly being wrong is a step (baby step) in the right direction.

[Gravy]

I was going to answer soon because I thought my Flight 93 plume theory was all but destroyed, but your fellow OCTs hit a MAJOR road block in proving their plume size estimations, so it looks like it might be a while longer now.

;)
As always, rather than posting to say why you can't answer right now, you simply could have answered. How many times do I have to point that out to you?

You're the roadblock, and you have been for days. And now you've made the snide comment that your "calculator is broken."

I posted on that thread suggesting that everyone take a break. Please do, Killtown, and discuss another issue.

[Hellbound]

I was going to answer soon because I thought my Flight 93 plume theory was all but destroyed, but your fellow OCTs hit a MAJOR road block in proving their plume size estimations, so it looks like it might be a while longer now.

;)

Actually, Killtown, try reading the thread again.

We've got statements from actual experts in the field who say the size is within the range to be expected for such an impact, but the exact size cannot be determined from a single photo.

You claim it's too large, based on nothing but your own "best guess".

So far, our evidence trumps your lack of evidence. Unless you can show some reason why the estimate of this expert is incorrect, you've got nothing.

[Mancman]

I snorted. And I'm in an airport.

Damn you.


I believe that killtown will say his most damning evidence is the undisputed fact that the copilot of flight 77 was gay, and gosh darnit there's just no way Burlingame would ever fly with someone who's openly gay.

:boggled:

ETA: from http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html(killtown's site):



This is his "evidence"??? :wide-eyed

I thought you were joking.

Jesus christ.

Killtown trumps himself by sinking to a further low, absolutely incredible.

[MortFurd]

I thought you were joking.

Jesus christ.

Killtown trumps himself by sinking to a further low, absolutely incredible.

Yah. Slime of the worst sort. You notice how Killtown claims a father sent his son to die? Bernard Brown, passenger 10 in the list.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Yah. Slime of the worst sort. You notice how Killtown claims a father sent his son to die? Bernard Brown, passenger 10 in the list.

As does Dylan Avery & Co.

[MortFurd]

Mmmpf. Loose Change.

[rwguinn]

Dowh hyar in TEXAS, by gum, we go a saying:
"The boy couldnt pour p^$$ out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel"..

[calebprime]

Mmmpf. Loose Change.

can someone tell me what "bump" and "loose change" mean on this board?

specific to this board or general to all chatrooms?

[R.Mackey]

What do all these teachers and students have in common who were embarking on the National Geographic funded educational trip?

Down at the bottom of his absurd Flight 77 page (http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html).

Please, Killtown, explain what you mean. And don't use your famous "magic quotes." Plain English only. I have a feeling what it might be, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

[Dog Town]

Down at the bottom of his absurd Flight 77 page (http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html).

Please, Killtown, explain what you mean. And don't use your famous "magic quotes." Plain English only. I have a feeling what it might be, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Is it possible KClown, is making money off the amount of hits he gets from y'all? If so please cease!

[Sword_Of_Truth]

can someone tell me what "bump" and "loose change" mean on this board?

specific to this board or general to all chatrooms?

Loose Change is the title of the most notorious 9-11 conspiracy crockumentaries. MarkyX made a video on the makers of LC wherein they slander a father of one of the 9-11 victims by accusing him of sending his son to die while he played golf.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7216643725166640147&q=9-11+deniers&hl=en

"Bump" is a common practice on message boards to send a thread back to the top of the page without actually saying anything in it.

[fuelair]

I was going to answer soon because I thought my Flight 93 plume theory was all but destroyed, but your fellow OCTs hit a MAJOR road block in proving their plume size estimations, so it looks like it might be a while longer now.

;)
They are looking for you here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61874&page=2
Come over and play - read first post first!!

[Killtown]

They are looking for you here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61874&page=2
Come over and play - read first post first!!
As soon as my experiment is over and if I still have time.

[twinstead]

As soon as my experiment is over and if I still have time.

Oh fer cryin' out loud. I seriously hope YOU aren't the best your beloved 'truth movement' has.

[Dog Town]

Oh fer cryin' out loud. I seriously hope YOU aren't the best your beloved 'truth movement' has.

That would be the better of multiple evils!

[Killtown]

Sorry it's taking so long guys. Your fellow OCTs are stalling in giving me their estimates of the next step in our experiment. Maybe you can help them...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1859031#post1859031

[twinstead]

Sorry it's taking so long guys. Your fellow OCTs are stalling in giving me their estimates of the next step in our experiment. Maybe you can help them...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=1859031#post1859031

Perhaps you could address the other evidence presented to you that confirm flight 93 did indeed crash into the ground at 500mph.

[Killtown]

Perhaps you could address the other evidence presented to you that confirm flight 93 did indeed crash into the ground at 500mph.
Those factors are assumed on the other thread.

[twinstead]

Those factors are assumed on the other thread.

Dude. I've been reading every word of every 911 thread on this board. You have in no way, shape, or form addressed ANY of the eye witness or photographic evidence of flight 93, nor have you reconciled your own theory to account for any of it.

It's all about the plume, because that's all you have, isn't it?

[rwguinn]

Now, I know that many here are athiests.
However, the early Christians--and others-- had a method of punishment that worked rather well.
I propose we practice the ancient art of SHUNNING killtown until he straightens up and answers a few--or at least one--of the questions proposed to him, or untill he demonstrates a minimum of mathematical skills.
I'm doing it, as of now.

[Dog Town]

Now, I know that many here are athiests.
However, the early Christians--and others-- had a method of punishment that worked rather well.
I propose we practice the ancient art of SHUNNING killtown until he straightens up and answers a few--or at least one--of the questions proposed to him, or untill he demonstrates a minimum of mathematical skills.
I'm doing it, as of now.


Here here!

[Gravy]

It's all about the plume, because that's all you have, isn't it?
Well, "Killtown" is his nom de plume.

Let the shunshine!

[Foolmewunz]

Now, I know that many here are athiests.
However, the early Christians--and others-- had a method of punishment that worked rather well.
I propose we practice the ancient art of SHUNNING killtown until he straightens up and answers a few--or at least one--of the questions proposed to him, or untill he demonstrates a minimum of mathematical skills.
I'm doing it, as of now.


But if we all shun - then he has no one to keep him occupied with his delusional theories and will just go back to spewing more of his poisonous crap on his own site. Isn't it best to keep these guys busy over here where we can keep an eye on them and Big Nurse can do the occasional bedcheck to make sure they don't go running with scissors and hurt themselves?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

But if we all shun - then he has no one to keep him occupied with his delusional theories and will just go back to spewing more of his poisonous crap on his own site. Isn't it best to keep these guys busy over here where we can keep an eye on them and Big Nurse can do the occasional bedcheck to make sure they don't go running with scissors and hurt themselves?

Hrm, could the libelous, unsubstantiated drek on his blog/website be in violation of the host and/or ISP's ToS?

[Dog Town]

Hrm, could the libelous, unsubstantiated drek on his blog/website be in violation of the host and/or ISP's ToS?
Voolfie! You have someting there. Is there a lawyer in the house, or admin?

[valis]

Doesn't it seem odd that a person like Capt. Burlingame would be flying with a openly gay co-pilot?

Yeah you know how those people are; the entire flight you would be brushing his hand off your knee. He'd want to put up pastel curtains in the cockpit, and if fact you would probably be embarresd to call it the 'cockpit'. Those folks need to stick to interior decorating and theater.

[Foolmewunz]

Voolfie! You have someting there. Is there a lawyer in the house, or admin?

Think CIVIL SUIT.
Jury of Six.
Much leeway in presenting evidence.
Just need to find someone who's been financially harmed by his allegations. Hmmm? Golly, who might that be? Seems there ought to be a lawyer willing to handle pro bono (or for a piece of the settlement) for Val M. She's been slandered, but was her business actually harmed or did she sell a lot more pictures? If Killtown is really making money off his site hits, then there's a viable civil suit, here. (And no doubt he's never incorporated, so it'd take him down for good!)

That last line, above is a little mean-spirited, but Killtown inspires one to such extremes.

[valis]

On the flight 77 page much is made of this question:
Why wasn't there any problems reported with Charles Droz being buried at Arlington as there was with Capt. Burlingame?

The answer, which can be found here: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/funeral_information/guide.interment.html

Is simple:# Any veteran who is retired from active military service with the Armed Forces.
# Any veteran who is retired from the Reserves is eligible upon reaching age 60 and drawing retired pay; and who served a period of active duty (other than for training).

Capt. Burlingame retired from the reserves and had not reached his 60th birthday. Charles Droz retired from active duty so the rules were not the same. Due to the emotion of 9/11 political pressure was brought to the issue and a waiver was issued for Capt. Burlingame.

It took me about 2 minutes to find this information.