Dead Muslim desecrated with bacon strips

[Jedi Knight]

A dead Muslim in England (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32884) has been desecrated with bacon strips by hospital workers. The bacon interferes somehow with the dead guy getting to his 72 virgins and 10 acres of sheep-herding land in the afterlife.

This has naturally triggered an international diversity alert and the mobilization of armies from 50 nations are on standby to bomb the offenders with laser-guided munitions.

There has not been any comment yet by feminazi leaders.

http://209.17.95.115/images2/bacon.jpg

JK

[Tricky]

Reassure me, Jedi, that you don't find this funny.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Tricky
Reassure me, Jedi, that you don't find this funny.

I must say, I do find JK quite funny though!

Who the hell wastes perfectly good bacon on a dead person? :rolleyes:

[Nitpick]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
The bacon interferes somehow with the dead guy getting to his 72 virgins and 10 acres of sheep-herding land in the afterlife.

Quote:
While at the mortuary, it was discovered her corpse had been covered with bacon strips.

[Jaggy Bunnet]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
A dead Muslim in England (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32884) has been desecrated with bacon strips by hospital workers. The bacon interferes somehow with the dead guy getting to his 72 virgins and 10 acres of sheep-herding land in the afterlife.

Wouldn't the fact that the dead "guy" was a grandmother make it somewhat unlikely that she would be expecting to be supplied with virgins in the afterlife? Or don't you bother to read the articles you post?

I take it you believe the mortuary assistant should be allowed to do whatever they like to bodies with no comeback?

[Frostbite]

Give the guy a break, at least he's entertaining. :)

[c0rbin]

Mmmmmmm....bacon.

[aerocontrols]

Mmmmmmm.... morguebacon

[Earthborn]

Luckily her chances to get into Paradise are unaffected:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm

I fear the worst (wurst? :) ) for the person who did this to her though... :)

[Ian Osborne]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
A dead Muslim in England (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32884) has been desecrated with bacon strips by hospital workers. The bacon interferes somehow with the dead guy getting to his 72 virgins and 10 acres of sheep-herding land in the afterlife.

'He' was actually a 'she', and it happened in the mortuary, not the hospital. I've no idea why you think the incident affects her chances of reaching the afterlife, but have you considered its effect on the dead woman's family?

This has naturally triggered an international diversity alert and the mobilization of armies from 50 nations are on standby to bomb the offenders with laser-guided munitions.

The police are investigating the incident, and a 53-year-old man has been arrested. You have a problem with that?

There has not been any comment yet by feminazi leaders.

What comment were you expecting?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Ian Osborne
The police are investigating the incident, and a 53-year-old man has been arrested. You have a problem with that?

You sure it was a man?

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Nitpick
Quote:

While at the mortuary, it was discovered her corpse had been covered with bacon strips.

Well, I guess the English could only find it in themselves to violate Muslim women in that manner only.

Maybe another Islamic war will start somewhere over this incident....which begs the question--What do Muslim women get when they die?

Men get 72 virgins (they must be non-American women) and 10 acres of land and some sheep. What do the women get?

JK

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by Frostbite
Give the guy a break, at least he's entertaining. :)

(1.) He's not entertaining, he's vulgar and crass.

(2.) This is not funny, it's hateful and evil.

(3.) If my family member's body had been so abused, I'd have been calling an attorney NOW.

I liked JK better about a week ago.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Roadtoad


(1.) He's not entertaining, he's vulgar and crass.

(2.) This is not funny, it's hateful and evil.

(3.) If my family member's body had been so abused, I'd have been calling an attorney NOW.

I liked JK better about a week ago.

Well, there's no such thing as a slow news day with JK around.

The funny thing is, you wouldn't have to be any religion to find this disrespectful to a dead person. I eat bacon, and if my grandmother's body had this done to it, I'd still be p***d off.

Sounds more like mortuary humour and they get up to hijinks with all the bodies there.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky
Reassure me, Jedi, that you don't find this funny.

Hey, I thought it was as funny as leftists who think terrorists don't have state sponsors or Iraq doesn't have WMD.

I guess the left has no sense of humor unless it involves protecting terrorists and apologizing for Saddam.

JK

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Hey, I thought it was as funny as leftists who think terrorists don't have state sponsors or Iraq doesn't have WMD.

I guess the left has no sense of humor unless it involves protecting terrorists and apologizing for Saddam.

JK
If you feel that it is funny to desecrate the bodies of anyone you feel is against you, then you must also feel that it is okay for our enemies to desecrate the bodies of any US soldiers they kill. In fact, you probably find it hilarious.

Your sense of humor is, shall we say, unconventional.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky

If you feel that it is funny to desecrate the bodies of anyone you feel is against you, then you must also feel that it is okay for our enemies to desecrate the bodies of any US soldiers they kill. In fact, you probably find it hilarious.

Your sense of humor is, shall we say, unconventional.

Tricky, that is a very pro-religious statement you are making. Are you wandering towards God and faith now? I thought you were an atheist that believed men did not have souls.

Or could it be the effective leftist political correctness indoctrination of respecting anything that isn't Christian?

If we are going to debate desecration, let's do it in an honest way. To desecrate a body, to me, is to physically alter it in such a way that it is a permanent alteration that cannot be corrected. Desecration is violation. A corpse cannot be 'violated' unless it is physically tampered with.

If a UFO cult member dies and the cult puts a plastic UFO on the body and someone steals it, can the cult claim desecration? I don't think so, but the radical left's fluid definition of reality and political correctness makes these issues an anything goes proposition insofar as the meaning is concerned. I have no doubt the guy who got caught doing it is going to get lynched publicly. The left will demand it. If the guy took the UFO cult's plastic UFO I don't think it would have ever made the international media spotlight because the superstition political-correctness threshold wouldn't be high enough.

A side of beef lying down on top of a body can be plucked up and washed off, resulting in the same corpse that was there beforehand. True or false?

Well, unless you believe in superstitions. Are you being pseudo on us now? That is the question I have. I think the whole 'can't eat bacon' thing is superstition of the extremist variety. I have been eating bacon since I was a toddler and nothing bad has ever happened to me for eating it nor millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of other people.

What this media attention will do is promote superstition at a time when there is an all-out attack on Christians and others. I am not into promoting superstitions and yes, I thought it was funny. I guess I have a politically incorrect sense of humor.

Would we even be having this conversation if a side of beef wound up on a Christian body? I don't think so. I think the leftist media would chuckle about it and if the person who did it got caught some leftist special interest group would pay off the ACLU and make it legal somehow. But since it involved the superstitious cult of Islam, it becomes an affront to all of humanity lol.

That is why I am a skeptic. You should check it out some time. You really have to have a sense of humor to be a skeptic, especially when people like you defend superstitions.

JK

[reprise]

There must be a serious disturbance in the Force.

I find myself partly agreeing with Jedi Knight on the issue of whether corpses are inherently deserving of respect or whether by paying them respect we are honouring superstitions in which we claim to have no belief.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by reprise
There must be a serious disturbance in the Force.

I find myself partly agreeing with Jedi Knight on the issue of whether corpses are inherently deserving of respect or whether by paying them respect we are honouring superstitions in which we claim to have no belief.

Here is the problem I have with the whole situation. Sure, it was in bad taste for the guy to put a chunk of bacon on the dead chick knowing it would upset the global leftist population, but does it matter? If I publicly say it is an "affront", am I not agreeing with the superstition?

That is the question that I have.

I think desecration is something permanent done to the body--carving a Swastika in the chest of it, chopping an ear off, scalping, poking the eyes out, disembowling it...etc.

Something that permanently alters the corpse which could then be judged as an unretractable affront.

Bacon strips just don't seem like an affront to me because I think the human soul is going to go its own way with or without bacon getting in the way.

If only Christians had their superstitions supported the way Muslims do. Every school would be a church, every election a baptism, every Sunday sermon a national banquet.

JK

[peptoabysmal]

So before we go after those bastards in the Sudan (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26672), I think we should perfect the production of pork bullets.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by reprise
There must be a serious disturbance in the Force.

I find myself partly agreeing with Jedi Knight on the issue of whether corpses are inherently deserving of respect or whether by paying them respect we are honouring superstitions in which we claim to have no belief. Try to insert a couple of carrots into you-know-where on Jedi's mother's corpse and then tell him "Remove them, and the corpse would be the same. True or false?"

Funny? :rolleyes:

Jedi
Bacon strips just don't seem like an affront to me because I think the human soul is going to go its own way with or without bacon getting in the way. Just as the carrots? :confused:

[reprise]

I know that in this particular instance the religion involved was Islam, but would it have been more or less of an "affront" had the corpse concerned been Jewish?

What if the religion against which the "affront" had been committed was Scientology - would that make a difference to people's viewpoint on the magnitude of the "insult"?

I don't think the problem is so much that the traditions of Islam are given more respect than those of other religions, I think the problem is that we afford the dead a level of respect that we would often be unwilling to extend to the living and we are outraged when the dead are not given the exalted status we believe they deserve.

[reprise]

I should probably disclose that I'm one of those people who thinks organ donation should be the default option on drivers licences, that one should only be able to opt out of donation under exceptional circumstances and that religion should not count as an exceptional circumstance, and that the family of the deceased should not be able to over-ride the wishes of the deceased in respect of organ donation.

In short, I regard a corpse as a piece of property for which the owner no longer has any use and in which the owner no longer has any vested interest.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Bjorn
Try to insert a couple of carrots into you-know-where on Jedi's mother's corpse and then tell him "Remove them, and the corpse would be the same. True or false?"

Funny? :rolleyes:

Jedi
Just as the carrots? :confused:

If you are going to use one of my quotes in your signature block, use Jedi Knight, not Ghenghis Knight.

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by reprise
I know that in this particular instance the religion involved was Islam, but would it have been more or less of an "affront" had the corpse concerned been Jewish?

No, I hope not.

What if the religion against which the "affront" had been committed was Scientology - would that make a difference to people's viewpoint on the magnitude of the "insult"?

??? - I don't know why?

I don't think the problem is so much that the traditions of Islam are given more respect than those of other religions, I think the problem is that we afford the dead a level of respect that we would often be unwilling to extend to the living and we are outraged when the dead are not given the exalted status we believe they deserve.

Unwilling to extend to the living - I don't know, maybe I think that we owe the dead respect anyhow, maybe even more so because they cannot defend themselves or slap someone in the face when they deserve it.

How brave to insult a corpse ... :rolleyes:

As for donations of organs - somehow it doesn't compare to the carrots up your mothers ..... :confused:

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by reprise
I know that in this particular instance the religion involved was Islam, but would it have been more or less of an "affront" had the corpse concerned been Jewish?

What if the religion against which the "affront" had been committed was Scientology - would that make a difference to people's viewpoint on the magnitude of the "insult"?

I don't think the problem is so much that the traditions of Islam are given more respect than those of other religions, I think the problem is that we afford the dead a level of respect that we would often be unwilling to extend to the living and we are outraged when the dead are not given the exalted status we believe they deserve.

God only knows what goes on in funeral homes. Ever watch Six Feet Under? There could be psychos running those places and you would never know about it. They could use your dead body as a table for a psychic Ouija board seance and no one would ever know.

JK

[PygmyPlaidGiraffe]

Originally posted by reprise
There must be a serious disturbance in the Force.

I find myself partly agreeing with Jedi Knight on the issue of whether corpses are inherently deserving of respect or whether by paying them respect we are honouring superstitions in which we claim to have no belief.


are corpses inherently deserving of disrespect?

What is being honoured by an act like this? Was it a statement about superstitions in which these individuals claim to have no belief?

If I perform fellatio on Reprise's dead male relative to make a statement will that be acceptable because I was making a statement?

[Khalid01]

Originally posted by reprise
I don't think the problem is so much that the traditions of Islam are given more respect than those of other religions, I think the problem is that we afford the dead a level of respect that we would often be unwilling to extend to the living and we are outraged when the dead are not given the exalted status we believe they deserve.

Yeah, let us throw the concept of "empathy" right out of the window, because in the end, only our own opinion matters. Who cares about what happens to, or what the "other guy" thinks, cause they're not you, right? I agree with you that idolizing someone's body is useless and foolish, but that more than likely wasn't the opinion of the dead woman. The issue isn't about the objective usefulness of burial traditions, it's about respecting others' beliefs and their wishes for their bodies. This is especially crucial when a body was indeed descecrated in such an acute and repellent manner.

[reprise]

Originally posted by Khalid01
Yeah, let us throw the concept of "empathy" right out of the window, because in the end, only our own opinion matters. Who cares about what happens to, or what the "other guy" thinks, cause they're not you, right? I agree with you that idolizing someone's body is useless and foolish, but that more than likely wasn't the opinion of the dead woman. The issue isn't about the objective usefulness of burial traditions, it's about respecting others' beliefs and their wishes for their bodies. This is especially crucial when a body was indeed descecrated in such an acute and repellent manner.

Do we unconditionally respect the beliefs of others? Should we unconditionally respect the beliefs of others?

I don't see a whole lot of respect being shown around here for the beliefs of Islamic fundamentalists, or for those who are convinced Planet X is going to cause a pole shift. How do we determine which beliefs are worthy of our respect?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by reprise
How do we determine which beliefs are worthy of our respect?

Hey, that is a good question.

JK

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
God only knows what goes on in funeral homes. Ever watch Six Feet Under? There could be psychos running those places and you would never know about it. They could use your dead body as a table for a psychic Ouija board seance and no one would ever know.
JK And what did you think about those carrots up your mother's? :rolleyes:

Just for fun, and when you remove them she's good as ever ...

[reprise]

FTR, many Muslims would consider the fact that Habiba Mohammed wasn't buried before sundown and that male attendants were even touching her body in the first place (with or without bacon in hand) to also be affronts to Islam.

[Khalid01]

Originally posted by reprise


Do we unconditionally respect the beliefs of others? Should we unconditionally respect the beliefs of others?

I don't see a whole lot of respect being shown around here for the beliefs of Islamic fundamentalists, or for those who are convinced Planet X is going to cause a pole shift. How do we determine which beliefs are worthy of our respect?

There is a difference betwixt laughing or insulting the beliefs of another group, and violating someone's corpse. In the open arena, near anything goes when it comes to speech, all of us have that right. However one should be respectful in their actions when it comes to others' beliefs.

I have the untouchable right to laugh at Planet X'ers, and pull a Shemp by including an option in my polls, but I can't deface their icons legally or within reason. It's unnecessary and makes non-Planet X'ers look cowardly to insult them covertly.

[Bjorn]

Originally posted by reprise
FTR, many Muslims would consider the fact that Habiba Mohammed wasn't buried before sundown and that male attendants were even touching her body in the first place (with or without bacon in hand) to also be affronts to Islam. Take off the bacon, pull a couple of carrots and she's good as new ... I think that's what the arch-conservative believes :rolleyes:

[Hypocolius]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Originally posted by Nitpick
[B]Quote:
Men get 72 virgins (they must be non-American women) and 10 acres of land and some sheep. What do the women get?

JK

From what I've heard here (UAE) they get turned into men, and still get all the virgins.

[reprise]

It's unnecessary and makes non-Planet X'ers look cowardly to insult them covertly.

And that is where I do agree with you about the action referred to in the OP. It was unnecessary, covert, cowardly, and it served to reveal the perpetrators as the immature jerks they seemingly are.

The closest secular equivalent which springs to mind is those people who think that urinating or painting grafitti on war memorials is some kind of intelligent anti-war protest.

In the particular instance reported in the OP, I seriously doubt whether the perpetrator even knew enough about Islam beyond "Muslims regard pork as unclean" to make any kind of logical, intelligent, argument against its doctrines - perhaps an appropriate punishment would be community service within the Muslim community where he can at least learn something about the religion he feels compelled to mock.

[Khalid01]

Originally posted by reprise

The closest secular equivalent which springs to mind is those people who think that urinating or painting grafitti on war memorials is some kind of intelligent anti-war protest.

In the particular instance reported in the OP, I seriously doubt whether the perpetrator even knew enough about Islam beyond "Muslims regard pork as unclean" to make any kind of logical, intelligent, argument against its doctrines - perhaps an appropriate punishment would be community service within the Muslim community where he can at least learn something about the religion he feel compelled to mock.

Absolutely, most simply, the memorial in Normandy is just a bunch of crosses, in frog territory, but of course we have assign a significance to them. The people who deface these memorials don't contribute anything except fuel for the fire, which helps to cloud reason and the appearance of idealogies, not to mention how abhorrently disrespectful they are.

Anyhow, I like your suggestion for punishment, which seems quite apt for the situation.

[Cleopatra]

What I find amusing is how there are people who complain about cencorship in this forum...

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
Tricky, that is a very pro-religious statement you are making. Are you wandering towards God and faith now? I thought you were an atheist that believed men did not have souls.
Hardly pro-religious. It is merely showing respect for the beliefs of others.

Or could it be the effective leftist political correctness indoctrination of respecting anything that isn't Christian?
No. I would feel the same way if someone descrated a Christian corpse.

If we are going to debate desecration, let's do it in an honest way. To desecrate a body, to me, is to physically alter it in such a way that it is a permanent alteration that cannot be corrected. Desecration is violation. A corpse cannot be 'violated' unless it is physically tampered with.
Do you mean mutilated? If you went to your grandmother's funeral and found a pile of feces on her face, would that not be desecration? Or would you find it funny?

If a UFO cult member dies and the cult puts a plastic UFO on the body and someone steals it, can the cult claim desecration? I don't think so, but the radical left's fluid definition of reality and political correctness makes these issues an anything goes proposition insofar as the meaning is concerned. I have no doubt the guy who got caught doing it is going to get lynched publicly. The left will demand it. If the guy took the UFO cult's plastic UFO I don't think it would have ever made the international media spotlight because the superstition political-correctness threshold wouldn't be high enough.
I am unaware of the religious beliefs of UFO cults, but if they have a sacred way of treating their dead and you interfere with it, then yes, it is desecration.

A side of beef lying down on top of a body can be plucked up and washed off, resulting in the same corpse that was there beforehand. True or false?
And do you feel the same way about the feces example I gave earlier? Would you feel it is okay for enemies to toss US casualties into the waste trenches and let people piss and crap on them? I do not. But according to your logic, it's fine so long as you can wash it off.
What this media attention will do is promote superstition at a time when there is an all-out attack on Christians and others. I am not into promoting superstitions and yes, I thought it was funny. I guess I have a politically incorrect sense of humor.
If it were told as a joke, like the "pork bullets" comment, I would find nothing offensive about it. To actually do it, or think that actually doing it is funny, is beyond "politically incorrect".

Well, unless you believe in superstitions. Are you being pseudo on us now? That is the question I have. I think the whole 'can't eat bacon' thing is superstition of the extremist variety. I have been eating bacon since I was a toddler and nothing bad has ever happened to me for eating it nor millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of other people.
Your personal dietary habits are your own business. I suppose you think it would be funny to "contaminate" some kosher foods too, since you personally see nothing wrong with pork.

The whole question is about respecting the beliefs of another. You can debate all you want to with somone about their beliefs, but you can't spray-paint their church. And just so we are clear, I'm only concerned about the families of the dead here. I don't worry about the dead person being offended.

What this media attention will do is promote superstition at a time when there is an all-out attack on Christians and others. I am not into promoting superstitions and yes, I thought it was funny. I guess I have a politically incorrect sense of humor.
The media reported an attack on a religion. They also report when Neonazis paint swastikas on synagogues, which by your logic is a great joke so long as they use tempura.

Would we even be having this conversation if a side of beef wound up on a Christian body? I don't think so. I think the leftist media would chuckle about it and if the person who did it got caught some leftist special interest group would pay off the ACLU and make it legal somehow. But since it involved the superstitious cult of Islam, it becomes an affront to all of humanity lol.
If Christians were offended by beef, well yes we would. Though I may disagree with your beliefs, I would not dishonor them, even in death. How would your family feel if, after you died, they found out some "politically incorrect" prankster dressed you up in the uniform of a Communist soldier and replaced the Stars and Stripes with the Sickle and Stars before you were buried? I'm sure they'd be laughing their asses off.

That is why I am a skeptic. You should check it out some time. You really have to have a sense of humor to be a skeptic, especially when people like you defend superstitions.
I don't think many people here would call me humorless. I just fail to find the humiliation of real people to be funny. I'll bet I know as many sick jokes as you, but I wouldn't actually pull them on anyone.

Since when did "skeptic" mean "one who has no respect for the beliefs of others"? Read Randi's defense of Hal Bidlack to see how wrong that is.

[Crossbow]

Great post Tricky!

[Cleopatra]

Thank you Tricky. This was a great post.

If I were administrator I would erase the thread without second thought.

It's so so sad and such a sacrilege not to respect Death...

:(

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Thank you Tricky. This was a great post.

If I were administrator I would erase the thread without second thought.

It's so so sad and such a sacrilege not to respect Death...

:(
Thank you, my Queen. And just for the record, I think stealing mummies is sacrelige too.

[Dancing David]

So , what's your point JK, I find it dishonerable to the people who did it, just as I would find it dishonerable to people who would disrespect any person.

How does this fit into the vast leftist conspiracy?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Tricky

Hardly pro-religious. It is merely showing respect for the beliefs of others.


No. I would feel the same way if someone descrated a Christian corpse.


Do you mean mutilated? If you went to your grandmother's funeral and found a pile of feces on her face, would that not be desecration? Or would you find it funny?


I am unaware of the religious beliefs of UFO cults, but if they have a sacred way of treating their dead and you interfere with it, then yes, it is desecration.


And do you feel the same way about the feces example I gave earlier? Would you feel it is okay for enemies to toss US casualties into the waste trenches and let people piss and crap on them? I do not. But according to your logic, it's fine so long as you can wash it off.

If it were told as a joke, like the "pork bullets" comment, I would find nothing offensive about it. To actually do it, or think that actually doing it is funny, is beyond "politically incorrect".


Your personal dietary habits are your own business. I suppose you think it would be funny to "contaminate" some kosher foods too, since you personally see nothing wrong with pork.

The whole question is about respecting the beliefs of another. You can debate all you want to with somone about their beliefs, but you can't spray-paint their church. And just so we are clear, I'm only concerned about the families of the dead here. I don't worry about the dead person being offended.


The media reported an attack on a religion. They also report when Neonazis paint swastikas on synagogues, which by your logic is a great joke so long as they use tempura.


If Christians were offended by beef, well yes we would. Though I may disagree with your beliefs, I would not dishonor them, even in death. How would your family feel if, after you died, they found out some "politically incorrect" prankster dressed you up in the uniform of a Communist soldier and replaced the Stars and Stripes with the Sickle and Stars before you were buried? I'm sure they'd be laughing their asses off.


I don't think many people here would call me humorless. I just fail to find the humiliation of real people to be funny. I'll bet I know as many sick jokes as you, but I wouldn't actually pull them on anyone.

Since when did "skeptic" mean "one who has no respect for the beliefs of others"? Read Randi's defense of Hal Bidlack to see how wrong that is.

The whole point is that you do not have to respect the beliefs of others. How many Christians in the United States get respect? Not many. Most Christians are under attack for their beliefs by the ACLU.

Nothing can be done to force you to respect anyone else's beliefs. Beliefs are superstitution. Bacon does not stop a soul from coming out of a dead body and moving on. Nothing you or the Supreme Allah says is going to change my mind about it.

They are your beliefs, not mine.

Also, I think laughing about superstitions is good medicine.

I read Crossbow's two word comment and Cleopatra's post too but I don't think I will waste any time replying to posts that defend a superstitious religion. I didn't see anything 'great' in Tricky's reply to my post whatsoever. Tricky supports the perpetual superstition bacon theory and I do not--where the 'perpetual' effect is to con other humans. I think it is time that humans woke up to reality. You know, be skeptical.

JK

[Graham]

Originally posted by Tricky

Thank you, my Queen. And just for the record, I think stealing mummies is sacrelige too.

That's always kind of bothered me too.

I also find it somewhat amusing when you're watching a programme about excavations in Egypt or whatever and the voiceover says something to the effect of:

"Over the years, most of the tombs have been cleared out by graverobbers but luckily this one has survived perfectly intact for 6,000 years."

UNTIL NOW! :mad:

Graham

[Cleopatra]

It's very smart of you that you avoid answering to me Jedi Knight.

Having your nice armor smashed by a woman is a nasty spectacle indeed...

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Dancing David
So , what's your point JK, I find it dishonerable to the people who did it, just as I would find it dishonerable to people who would disrespect any person.

How does this fit into the vast leftist conspiracy?

Alright, prove that bacon stops the soul from trekking on into the afterlife. Proof now, not just 'cause ya say so'. I am under no obligation whatsoever to take your word for anything.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
It's very smart of you that you avoid answering to me Jedi Knight.

Having your nice armor smashed by a woman is a nasty spectacle indeed...

I didn't 'answer' you because your thinking isn't aligned with reality.

JK

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I didn't 'answer' you because your thinking isn't aligned with reality.

JK

Let me correct you ,Sir. You mean your reality.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Alright, prove that bacon stops the soul from trekking on into the afterlife. Proof now, not just 'cause ya say so'. I am under no obligation whatsoever to take your word for anything.

JK


JK, I'm sure you understand what they're trying to say.....it's funny to watch them pose, but you can't pretend that you dont understand what they're saying.

If you're grandma belonged to a sect that believed macoroni and cheese placed on your crotch at death would mean eternal damnation, you would find that silly. BUT, if when she died some ******* put the macoroni and cheese on her crotch just to be "zaney" and "poke fun" at the dead lady, you'd be upset......not because you believe in the macoroni and cheese idea......but because it is disrespectful to someone you love.

but anway......I think you know what you're doing without me having to say this.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Let me correct you ,Sir. You mean your reality.

Oh, so you think there is something wrong when someone doesn't believe prehistoric 6,000,000 BC sun-worshipping, spear sharpening mythology?

Sorry hon, I just don't 'believe' it. Take a walk into the 21st Century. You might like it.

JK

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
It's very smart of you that you avoid answering to me Jedi Knight.

Having your nice armor smashed by a woman is a nasty spectacle indeed...


this is probably one of the top 10 most pompous things Ive read this month.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Sorry hon, I just don't 'believe' it. Take a walk into the 21st Century. You might like it.

JK

If the 21st century includes intolerance the way you demonstrate it here Sir, I really doubt that I will like it...

I don't care about what people believe as long as their beliefs don't kill me.

[BillyTK]

Hi Jedi,
Beliefs are superstitution. Bacon does not stop a soul from coming out of a dead body and moving on. Nothing you or the Supreme Allah says is going to change my mind about it.
How should we weight your superstitious belief over the muslim superstitious belief? Surely as good skeptics, whilst we might choose to respect the rights of others to hold superstitious beliefs, we should always be suspicious about any claims arising from those beliefs? I'd suggest that the belief that bacon doesn't stop a supernatural entity from departing the body is no more supportable than saying that it does.

Tricky supports the perpetual superstition bacon theory and I do not--where the 'perpetual' effect is to con other humans. I think it is time that humans woke up to reality. You know, be skeptical.

JK
Could you possibly demonstrate your skepticism by illustrating how Tricky supports the perpetual superstition bacon theory?

Ta!
Billy

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



this is probably one of the top 10 most pompous things Ive read this month.

Maybe because you don't follow my posts regularly.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Maybe because you don't follow my posts regularly.


are you claiming psychic abilities ?

you're right though, I could probably add more of your qoutes to that top 10.

[Crossbow]

So, I take it that JK would not mind if someone covered the body of a dead American soldier in a Nazi flag, or perhaps a USSR flag since the flag could be readily removed and it would not inhibit the movement of his soul, yes?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



JK, I'm sure you understand what they're trying to say.....it's funny to watch them pose, but you can't pretend that you dont understand what they're saying.

If you're grandma belonged to a sect that believed macoroni and cheese placed on your crotch at death would mean eternal damnation, you would find that silly. BUT, if when she died some ******* put the macoroni and cheese on her crotch just to be "zaney" and "poke fun" at the dead lady, you'd be upset......not because you believe in the macoroni and cheese idea......but because it is disrespectful to someone you love.

but anway......I think you know what you're doing without me having to say this.

No I agree. What the guy did was poor humor.

But the sheer response to it is hilarious. As a scientist I can't believe that my culture would use every resource it has at its disposal to try and force me to be sympathetic to someone else's prehistoric beliefs--you know, rituals that existed when dinosaurs walked the Earth.

Humans are all the same. We all die the same way. Superstition creates damaged humans. Those that defend superstition are perhaps even more damaged.

That is all I am saying.

JK

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

The whole point is that you do not have to respect the beliefs of others. How many Christians in the United States get respect? Not many. Most Christians are under attack for their beliefs by the ACLU.
No, you don't have to respect the beliefs of others. The option to be a rude, thoughtless person is always there. I see you have excercised that option.

And the ACLU does not attack Christian (or any other religion's) beliefs, but only the practices which they believe to be unfair. I don't always agree with them.

Did you know the ACLU has also defended the Ku Klux Klan?


Nothing can be done to force you to respect anyone else's beliefs. Beliefs are superstitution.
You are correct. It is not a thing that can be forced. I was raised to care about the feelings of others. It is a cultural thing.

However, technically you are right. I don't necessarily respect the beliefs themselves, but I respect the rights of the person to hold those beliefs without fear of persecution. That is another cultural thing.


Beliefs are superstitution. Bacon does not stop a soul from coming out of a dead body and moving on. Nothing you or the Supreme Allah says is going to change my mind about it.
That is not in question. It is your compassion for others. (Not that any of us suspected you of having much.)

I do not personally believe that burning an American Flag shows disrespect for the country, but I would not do so because I respect the beliefs of others.

They are your beliefs, not mine.
Not mine either.


Also, I think laughing about superstitions is good medicine.
I absolutely agree. But violating the sacred beliefs of other people's superstition is not funny. It's just plain mean. Let me ask you again. Do you think painting swastikas on a synagogue is funny? Or is it only certain religions that you feel it is okay to desecrate?


Tricky supports the perpetual superstition bacon theory and I do not--where the 'perpetual' effect is to con other humans.
As anyone can tell, your statement about me is simply a deliberate lie. But maybe deliberate lying is part of your religion...:p


I think it is time that humans woke up to reality. You know, be skeptical.
I also wish that people would learn not to accept such ridiculous claptrap as souls, gods, matriarchal conspiricies and the like, but I cannot force them to do so. All I can do is try to help them to learn critical thinking. Some will not learn, and some will learn to apply critical thinking to some aspects of their lives, but not to their most ingrained superstitions.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



are you claiming psychic abilities ?

I thought that you were just an expert on Chomsky... it makes sense now...

you're right though, I could probably add more of your qoutes to that top 10.

This is far more credit than I deserve, Sir.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


If the 21st century includes intolerance the way you demonstrate it here Sir, I really doubt that I will like it...

I don't care about what people believe as long as their beliefs don't kill me.

Oh, so if you claim that a meteor-God says I should stay inside my house every Monday and I laugh about it, I am being intolerant?

Sorry hon. Your meteor-God has nothing to do with me, and frankly, I don't think it exists.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow
So, I take it that JK would not mind if someone covered the body of a dead American soldier in a Nazi flag, or perhaps a USSR flag since the flag could be readily removed and it would not inhibit the movement of his soul, yes?

I would mind that they used the Nazi flag, but it wouldn't impede the soldier's soul from moving on.

To think it would is prehistoric logic lol. Neanderthal-type even.

JK

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


No I agree. What the guy did was poor humor.

But the sheer response to it is hilarious. As a scientist I can't believe that my culture would use every resource it has at its disposal to try and force me to be sympathetic to someone else's prehistoric beliefs--you know, rituals that existed when dinosaurs walked the Earth.

Humans are all the same. We all die the same way. Superstition creates damages humans. Those that defend superstition are perhaps even more damaged.

That is all I am saying.

JK


I understand and I'm sure others understand that the notion of bacon keeping your soul from paradise is complete garbage (unless of course your paradise is to have 0% body fat).

it's simply a desecration of someone's body.

yeah the belief is probably one of the dumbest beliefs in popular religion, but that isnt a good enough excuse to violate grammy's dead body.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


I thought that you were just an expert on Chomsky... it makes sense now...




that was just a BIT random and...how you say......"useless" .

just a bit.




This is far more credit than I deserve, Sir. [/B]

aww.
so bashful.

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
I would mind that they used the Nazi flag...
Why? All it is doing is showing disrespect to someone's beliefs. That's okay, isn't it?

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser


aww.
so bashful.

Well... you know, I was addressing to you, so, I couldn't risk something more complicated.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



I understand and I'm sure others understand that the notion of bacon keeping your soul from paradise is complete garbage (unless of course your paradise is to have 0% body fat).

it's simply a desecration of someone's body.

yeah the belief is probably one of the dumbest beliefs in popular religion, but that isnt a good enough excuse to violate grammy's dead body.

That is Tricky-type logic. I never said that it was the right thing for the guy to do. It isn't activity I would condone because I recognize some humans aren't very bright and believe in Sun-God type things.

That said, it is funny watching people squirm over nonsensical beliefs. Look at how the thread has deteriorated into political correctness leftist thought-police. I start the thread posting a bacon topic and it deteriorates in gas chambers, the destruction of synogogues, Nazi flags and leather boots marching, the works.

Hell, by the time they are done maybe Adolf Hitler will rise from the dead. They probably believe that like the bacon.

Tricky finds Sylvia the psychic pretty funny. I find prehistoric belief-sets that have no basis in reality funny.

And?

JK

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
I understand and I'm sure others understand that the notion of bacon keeping your soul from paradise is complete garbage (unless of course your paradise is to have 0% body fat).

This is really odd. Could anyone actually demonstrate the interaction between physical objects and supernatural entities (and how's that for pompous :p;))?

Edited for spelin

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Oh, so if you claim that a meteor-God says I should stay inside my house every Monday and I laugh about it, I am being intolerant?

Laugh about it? No. Laugh at me because this is what I believe yes.

Sorry hon. Your meteor-God has nothing to do with me, and frankly, I don't think it exists.

JK

You just don't think? I thought that you were certain.

I wouldn't mind Jedi Knight( I don't know if you allow me to use the initials instead...) if your posts were composed by an idiot.I don't reply to idiots by conviction,unless I have nothing else to do.

The fact that you are smart and you say such things scares me to death.

[Crossbow]

JK, you are arguing both sides of the same issue and as a scientist with a degree in history I would think that you would recognize that fact. After all, if things like bacon and flags are just superstions, then why should you object to a Nazi flag and not a USSR flag?

By the way, are you calling yourself an aetheist now?

I thought you hated aethists. You often talked about how religion provides morals and that aetheists call out for the help of god when they are in trouble. If possible, I would appreciate it if you could clarify this issue.

Thanks in advance!

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Crossbow
JK, you are arguing both sides of the same issue and as a scientist with a degree in history I would think that you would recognize that fact. After all, if things like bacon and flags are just superstions, then why should you object to a Nazi flag and not a USSR flag?

By the way, are you calling yourself an aetheist now?

I thought you hated aethists. You often talked about how religion provides morals and that aetheists call out for the help of god when they are in trouble. If possible, I would appreciate it if you could clarify this issue.

Thanks in advance!

I am a Jedi. Jedi believe in The Force. We do not believe in supernatural bacon.

JK

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Well... you know, I was addressing to you, so, I couldn't risk something more complicated.


do girls typically stop playing make-believe at a much later stage in life ?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I am a Jedi. Jedi believe in The Force. We do not believe in supernatural bacon.

JK

Oh, and you all can laugh at my prehistoric belief in The Force. It won't upset me like it does the pro-bacon supporters. It is superstition, after all.

JK

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


That is Tricky-type logic. I never said that it was the right thing for the guy to do. It isn't activity I would condone because I recognize some humans aren't very bright and believe in Sun-God type things.

That said, it is funny watching people squirm over nonsensical beliefs. Look at how the thread has deteriorated into political correctness leftist thought-police. I start the thread posting a bacon topic and it deteriorates in gas chambers, the destruction of synogogues, Nazi flags and leather boots marching, the works.

Hell, by the time they are done maybe Adolf Hitler will rise from the dead. They probably believe that like the bacon.

Tricky finds Sylvia the psychic pretty funny. I find prehistoric belief-sets that have no basis in reality funny.

And?

JK



I can see it too.

I just have a tough time finding the make-believe funny anymore. Sort of like waking up in the morning and finding your tires flattened by the neighbors punkrock wannabe kid funny, over and over and over and over.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by BillyTK


This is really odd. Could anyone actually demonstrate the interaction between physical objects and supernatural entities (and how's that for pompous :p;))?

Edited for spelin



you really, really just don't get it. :D

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


I am a Jedi. Jedi believe in The Force. We do not believe in supernatural bacon.

JK

I am not so sure bro!

After all, there were supernatural pigs on Mars! I have seen the documentary footage from that old news program called The Muppet Show. They showed pigs flying around in a space craft and everything.

[Dancing David]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Alright, prove that bacon stops the soul from trekking on into the afterlife. Proof now, not just 'cause ya say so'. I am under no obligation whatsoever to take your word for anything.

JK

Um, I think I said that I would call the person who placed the bacon dishonerable, just because they behaved without respect.

The issue of the bacon is the sidebar to the issue of honoring the wishes of the living after they are dead.

Which is superstition, but then I would not support anyone doing something lacking respect to the dead or the living. I asked where the leftist conspiracy was?(Other on the JREF forum, we know about that)

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser



do girls typically stop playing make-believe at a much later stage in life ?

Ha ha ha we started the girl thing now.In fact it took you longer to quit the fight this time.

Each time you debate me you will improve yourself...believe me.

An experienced man like you, my dear, shouldn't have such questions...

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Ha ha ha we started the girl thing now.In fact it took you longer to quit the fight this time.

Each time you debate me you will improve yourself...believe me.

An experienced man like you, my dear, shouldn't have such questions...


aww, shucks....replied again. Find another angle in your next reply !

here's a silly word for you : rhetorical .

[Cleopatra]

Since you can use the word rhetorical, it must be a silly and "easy" one indeed...

I hope you don't take my replying to you as a proof that I include you to the people that worth my time... you need more practice to achieve that stage...

Better luck , next time...

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
you really, really just don't get it. :D

What I really don't get is, why the belief that bacon stops the soul departing the body is anymore incredulous than a belief in souls:
Originally posted by Jedi knight
Bacon does not stop a soul from coming out of a dead body and moving on.
Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
I understand and I'm sure others understand that the notion of bacon keeping your soul from paradise is complete garbage

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser




I can see it too.

I just have a tough time finding the make-believe funny anymore. Sort of like waking up in the morning and finding your tires flattened by the neighbors punkrock wannabe kid funny, over and over and over and over.

Yeah, you are right. That would not be funny.

JK

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser
I just have a tough time finding the make-believe funny anymore. Sort of like waking up in the morning and finding your tires flattened by the neighbors punkrock wannabe kid funny, over and over and over and over.
This is one of the strangest statements I've ever heard. What is make believe here? Is this really happening? Is he making believe he is a punkrocker? How can you tell a real one from a make believe one? Does this have anything to do with superstition, souls, religious beliefs or bacon?

On another note, I have been honored by Jedi Knight with my very own term, "Tricky-type logic". If "Tricky-type logic" is the reverse of "Jedi Knight-type logic", then this is a prized compliment indeed. Thanks, wheezy one.

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Tricky

This is one of the strangest statements I've ever heard. What is make believe here?


you're confusing yourself.

the "make-believe" I am referring to is a seperate idea from the "punkrocker" story.

it was merely an example of having to deal with an annoyance that just keeps happening over and over, even after the annoyance itself has lost any reason or hint of humor.






Is this really happening? Is he making believe he is a punkrocker?



no.....the punkrocker story involves a troubled youth that doesnt understand why he does the things he does, yet contintues to do them for no rational reason.



How can you tell a real one from a make believe one?



this is irrelevant.

members here playing make-believe was just an idea of something becoming an annoyance.

I related this annoyance to the action of a troubled youth with a Learning Disorder, a knife and nothing else to do but ruin people's property for the sake of "anarchy".




Does this have anything to do with superstition, souls, religious beliefs or bacon?



only if the punkrocker wears lucky shoes, listens to the Bouncing Souls, and eats hand fulls of bacon bits.



are we clear ?

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

you're confusing yourself.
Maybe, but you have to admit I had help from you!;)

[reprise]

I'm still trying to work out why so many people hold the opinion that the belief systems of others must be respected.

Some of the most barbaric practises against human beings which occur on this planet are carried out in the name of one belief system or another. Not only do I consider those belief systems unworthy of respect, I also have no respect for the individuals who support them.

And although this discussion is primarily about religious belief systems, the issues it raises are equally relevant to political belief systems.

[Dancing David]

Uh respect for the beliefs until it interferes with someone elses personal liberties, does that make it more clear.

(Can't say I hold with the mutilation of female genitals either)

It would be disrespectful to play pranks with a dead or living body I guess.