foxhole republicans

[corplinx]

In another thread I suggested that "faithless" voters who agree with secular republican issues should get together, join the party, and make their presence known. Gay republicans have banded together as the "log cabin" republicans. I don't see why people who don't adhere to a religious faith shouldn't band together and influence the party.

Are you an atheist or agnostic who sometimes doesn't even vote out of apathy for the choices? Do you lean towards libertarianism? Do you believe in common sense taxation? Strong defense? Scientifcally sound environmental policy? Oppose socialism? Support federal decentralization? I think its time to join the GOP and prove that there are not only faithless people in foxholes but also in the GOP.

[Tony]

I like your idea.

[Gem]

Do you believe in common sense taxation?

You mean such a thing exists?:eek:

Gem

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Gem


You mean such a thing exists?:eek:

Gem

Only as an ideal it seems.

[a_unique_person]

I've already noticed that this seems to be a place for conservative atheists to hide out and speak openly to each other without fear of recrimination for their lack of faith.

It was interesting to note that this idea is already being tried in Israel, a conservative party was formed that specifically aims to not pander to the extremist religious freaks.

Of course the problem is not that there are religious people in the Republicans, just that it is not RPC (Republican PC), to be an atheist.

[Dancing David]

I even vote for republicans who I think that make better office holders, still try to vote straight D when I can.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
Of course the problem is not that there are religious people in the Republicans, just that it is not RPC (Republican PC), to be an atheist.

I am sure there are "faithless" people in the party. Some perhaps in the closet. Not necessarily atheists. Perhaps agnostics. If they are like me, they simply don't care.

I think the republican pc is more against the "devout" godless. Those who wear it as a badge of honor and flount it.

I think a small group of liberty-minded fiscal conservatives who merely remind the GOP to be tolerant and respectful of the faithless would be accepted.

I think the anti-theist sentiments you see from some atheist leftist types wouldn't be welcome.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by corplinx


I am sure there are "faithless" people in the party. Some perhaps in the closet. Not necessarily atheists. Perhaps agnostics. If they are like me, they simply don't care.

I think the republican pc is more against the "devout" godless. Those who wear it as a badge of honor and flount it.

I think a small group of liberty-minded fiscal conservatives who merely remind the GOP to be tolerant and respectful of the faithless would be accepted.

I think the anti-theist sentiments you see from some atheist leftist types wouldn't be welcome.

But you are encouraged to flaunt pro-theist as much as you want.

[Fade]

You think those ideas are embodied in the Republican party?



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:rolleyes:

[c0rbin]

Support federal decentralization?

What is the role of the US federal gov?

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Fade
You think those ideas are embodied in the Republican party?

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:rolleyes:

No I don't. I wind up supporitng national republicans just to thwart the outright socialists. I think there are more quasi-libertarians in the GOP than in the DP.

[Zep]

Yes, it all looks so good in stats on paper when viewed from the boardroom 20 stories in the air. From there you can't see the persistent realities of the results of these policies...not that they are all bad policies, of course!

Am I a bleeding heart? Nope - people must learn to stand up for themselves. Faithless or faith-based? None of your damned business and of no account anyway.

Oh, you ARE aware that decentralisation of government leads to layers upon layers of stifling bureaucracy?? Lack of communication?? Loss of services?? Etc, etc? Can't win 'em all!

Zep

[American]

Though generally conservative, my differences with the republicans are pleasantly shocking when I bring them up. It's simple- I look at a fellow republican and state what I think, and that if the party disagrees and doesn't want me, then they can eat my f---.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Zep
Oh, you ARE aware that decentralisation of government leads to layers upon layers of stifling bureaucracy?? Lack of communication?? Loss of services?? Etc, etc? Can't win 'em all!

Zep

I think it depends. Take education. Government schools are basically run at the local level and used to be funded at the local level. Now, the federal government is opening up its coffers and bureacracy to education even more.

What worse? One bureacracy or 51?

Centralization can also be a good thing. We had umpteen different national security organizations. Now we have one. Bureacracy can also be lessened through centralization.

So when I talk about decentralization I mean "following the constitution and letting the states run themselves mostly independently".

Take social security for instance. Its welfare for the elderly. In one stroke you could combine the two programs into one federal assistance program. Furthermore, the duty of administering and funding it could be handed over to the states.

Now finding a good state to retire in might make the states competitive. Florida obviously would be an interesting case.

So yes, saying "decentralization" was a bit vague.

[corplinx]

The ultimate foxhole republican would be Jesse Ventura.

[Khalid01]

Damn, I'm agreeing with you idealogically, with the 2nd to last post of yours, that scares me, corplinx. I need to move back away from the center, post-haste!:eek: :D

[no one in particular]

Originally posted by corplinx
The ultimate foxhole republican would be Jesse Ventura. I am a big fan of Jesse. I have been looking forward to his show for a while now. It keeps not coming on. My guess about this they (msnbc) are delaying it because of his probable dissenting views on the Iraq war. I do not know his views but the Libertarian line was antiwar. So, I dunno.

Oh, corplinx, I would love a viable party or loud subsection of the Republican Party with the attributes you have mentioned. Although…you must relent your term limit position to garner the support of no one in particular!

[corplinx]

Originally posted by no one in particular
IAlthough…you must relent your term limit position to garner the support of no one in particular!

There is room to disagree in the foxhole republicans. :)

[no one in particular]

Yay! Any chance we can get shanek?

[peptoabysmal]

I was a liberal Democrat for more years that I care to think about. The last couple of years has really opened my eyes to the "Liberal" agenda. I think the recently released for rental movie called Equilibrium sums up how I feel the world would end up if left strictly under Liberal control. A world without war, and if you disagree with us and don't take your mind control drugs, we shoot the crap out of you.

The "Liberals" have become the "Establishment" that I used to hate so much.

The Democratic party has proven themselves to be an incompetent bunch of boobs incabable of governing a state, let alone a nation. Under their rule the whole world bowed to terrorism, now perhaps we are on the right track. No deals for terrorists - period.

You think the Democrats have a solid financial plan? Check out what they've done to California...

Edited to say, oh yeah, and by the way I'm an atheist.

[Kodiak]

As a godless conservative (http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/library/scruton1.html) , I find much more in common with the GOP then the Dems. If and when the libertarians field electable candidates, I'll seriously consider not voting GOP (or the near extinct conservative democrat).

[Kodiak]

Oh yeah...why "foxhole" republicans??

[jj]

Originally posted by corplinx
Are you an atheist or agnostic who sometimes doesn't even vote out of apathy for the choices? Do you lean towards libertarianism? Do you believe in common sense taxation? Strong defense? Scientifcally sound environmental policy? Oppose socialism? Support federal decentralization? I think its time to join the GOP and prove that there are not only faithless people in foxholes but also in the GOP.

Well, corps, you have described me just about perfectly there.

Problem is, we're not welcome. We are QUITE a bit less welcome than the gay people as far as I've been able to tell.

The purely reactive hostility one gets from the average vocal GOP member is not limited to religious belief, the old McCarthy myths of "athiests are communists", "athiests don't believe in the value of human life", and so on all come to the fore in 10 seconds.

To quote someone at a *local* RNC meeting "I don't think you belong here, maybe you should find the local communist party".

Now, the idea of telling me to find the communist party (without carrying a basket of old tomatos under my arm) is a serious hoot, but that's what you get in at least one local RNC ***WHEN YOU TELL THEM YOU DON'T GO TO CHURCH***. No, I didn't bring it up, it was one of the questions they asked everyone who showed up. "What church do you go to?" Now exactly WHY would a political party ask "what church do you go to" when you show up for a (public) meeting?

Sorry, but the current crop of "New Republicans" have made the party into a party that makes religion manditory.

[jj]

Originally posted by no one in particular
I am a big fan of Jesse. I have been looking forward to his show for a while now. It keeps not coming on. My guess about this they (msnbc) are delaying it because of his probable dissenting views on the Iraq war. I do not know his views but the Libertarian line was antiwar. So, I dunno.

Oh, corplinx, I would love a viable party or loud subsection of the Republican Party with the attributes you have mentioned. Although…you must relent your term limit position to garner the support of no one in particular!

Yeah, I admit that Jesse seemed to have it going well in some respects, at least, but look at what happened with the U of Mn. during his reign, too.

[DavidJames]

Are you planning on running for office :)

common sense taxation? - of course everyone believes in this, but everyone's definition of what is common sense is anything but common.

Strong defense? Same answer, again, the definition varies.

scientifically sound environmental policy? Yes, same answer, this is getting old.

Oppose socialism? You guessed it

Support federal decentralization? now it's boring.

So for me, your attempt at buzzword politics has failed. This is the same technique that politicians use. Use buzzwords, fail to provide specific policies. These are the political equivalents to the old "have you stopped beating your wife" argument.