No, I won't report this to a moderator

[Cleopatra]

I was drinking my coffee and since I received an e-mail warning that Capel Dodger has replied to a thread I follow , I thought to read it because CD is a very intelligent poster, his posts match perfectly with coffee and wine.

But, the last person who has posted there ,Unique,had attached a photo of a dead( murdered) child. I guess that it's ok with the rules...

I didn't read the post to know why he did it. Well, of course I know that when people lack of arguments,they do stupid things.


Other example. Our nice friend Genghis Pawn(usually, I read his posts) is using as an avatar a pic of a very young girl who poses in a provocative way.

Are we suppose to be amused or feel even aroused by children who look like being sexually available?

Is this humour or it's the behaviour of a person who has lost control in his constant effort to appear an extremist?

Now. Since we have heard a lot of things about moderation and moderators, I won't report anything from now on.

Why?

Simple reason.

If you cant control yourself from being stupid, none , not even God, can help you.

[corplinx]

I've been wondering about genghis' avatars myself. Of course, I can't say anything since the only clothing my avatar (Master Shake) is wearing is a pair of gloves.

[Cleopatra]

I wouldn't mind if those photos depicted grown-up women but they don't.

As a citizen and a lawyer in my country, I have fought against this kind of pornography, I have also fought for the rights of the dead and the use of death by Media.

Dead people have rights too.

The point is why people can't control themselves and behave like this?

Why some people need moderators in their lives to point to them that they have crossed the edges?

Why can't they see by themselves were the limits are?

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I wouldn't mind if those photos depicted grown-up women but they don't.

As a citizen and a lawyer in my country, I have fought against this kind of pornography, I have also fought for the rights of the dead and the use of death by Media.

Dead people have rights too.

The point is why people can't control themselves and behave like this?

Why some people need moderators in their lives to point to them that they have crossed the edges?

Why can't they see by themselves were the limits are?

Hey Cleo, when I was zipping through your country I saw child-slaves who were forced to make thousands of bricks everyday. Some of those kids looked like they were six, maybe seven years old. When I infiltrated the area they were in, I asked one of the men at the worksite about their status and he told me they were bought--sold by their familes for gambling debts, personal slights (honor code crap), etc.

Want to start getting picky about issues like that? No problem.

Ghenghis' avatar has clothes on. Maybe it is his daughter.

The slaves I saw in your home town didn't have shoes on their feet. Since you are a lawyer, maybe you could go save them, or is your law degree restricted by Muslim law? I think it is but maybe I am wrong. I am sure you will let me know either way.

JK

[Martin]

I can't believe I'm actually defending Ghengis, but I don't think the 'children' in his avatars are actually underage. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, this attack on him is in very poor taste.

[a_unique_person]

JK, try this,

Before you open your Mouth, make sure your Brain is in Gear.

Cleopatra is half Jewish/half Greekish. The reference to Cleopatra is to the time when the Greeks ran Egypt. However, I do agree, they treat the Muslim workers like second class citizens in Israel.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
JK, try this,

Before you open your Mouth, make sure your Brain is in Gear.

Cleopatra is half Jewish/half Greekish. The reference to Cleopatra is to the time when the Greeks ran Egypt. However, I do agree, they treat the Muslim workers like second class citizens in Israel.

Unique, like I knew she was Jewish. You are a thug. She said she was from Egypt.

JK

[JAR]

Yes, I don't like it when people post images with gore or signicant amounts of blood. It makes me queasy. I wish Zombified would change his avatar. It grosses me out.

[JAR]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Our nice friend Genghis Pawn(usually, I read his posts) is using as an avatar a pic of a very young girl who poses in a provocative way.
Yeah, I found that strange too. Its seems like a man would want to have an avatar of a man. Avatars of women should be something only women use.

[Cleopatra]

Tsk tsk tsk... Jedi Knight. Sir....Please... the last time we were discussing you behaved like a eurocommunist... now you get even lower...

I will assume that you posted out of ignorance this time.Well. Let me be more accurate; you posted out of ignorance this time too.

I don't live in Egypt. I currently post from Greece and Cleopatra wasn't Egyptian.I am sorry.

As for Martinm. The age of the person in the photo doesn't really matter. What it matters is how is presented. The aestetics of under aged porno is that I commented.

Did you understand it or shall I sketch it for you?

[Genghis Pwn]

The young lady in my av is clothed, so where do you get off calling it "pornography"? I have no problem at all with you; why are you speaking badly (and incorrectly) about me?

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn
The young lady in my av is clothed, so where do you get off calling it "pornography"? I have no problem at all with you; why are you speaking badly (and incorrectly) about me?

Ohhhhhh come-on Genghis Pawn... come-on now. This is not between you and me.

Why you and Unique pretend that you don't understand of what I am talking about?

I wouldn't care if you your avatar was an undressed woman.

But this style of photographs is what the media people describe as "child-porn chic"... There is a whole culture behind the child porn chic , don't you know that?

Why you use it? Just because there is no rule against it in this forum? Can't you understand certain things by yourself ?

I don't want anybody to force you to change your avatar, I don't want anybody to force Unique to remove the photo from his posts.

If both of you think that it's ok, fine! Keep both photos.

Why you people, can't you control yourselves? Why do you need severe forum rules or moderators in order to understand certain things?

Unique, don't you know that you shouldn't post photos of dead babies just to provoke the person with whom you discuss??? :mad:

Why you do it??? Just because there is no rule against it????

[Baker]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
JK, try this,

Before you open your Mouth, make sure your Brain is in Gear.

Cleopatra is half Jewish/half Greekish. The reference to Cleopatra is to the time when the Greeks ran Egypt. However, I do agree, they treat the Muslim workers like second class citizens in Israel.

What about the issues with you’re sick and deranged photo in the Rode map to peace thread?

[Baker]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I was drinking my coffee and since I received an e-mail warning that Capel Dodger has replied to a thread I follow , I thought to read it because CD is a very intelligent poster, his posts match perfectly with coffee and wine.

But, the last person who has posted there ,Unique,had attached a photo of a dead( murdered) child. I guess that it's ok with the rules...

I didn't read the post to know why he did it. Well, of course I know that when people lack of arguments,they do stupid things.


I did report it when Genghis posted the images of victims of the Saudi bombings they where removed and had links put in their place as they should have been.

[LuxFerum]

A girls picture is now child porno.
I think you are clearly overreacting.

[Cleopatra]

I didn't see this-Thank God!

Thank you.

I wonder how many notices moderators receive on a daily basis...

I find it absurd. Do we really need a rule to prevent us from posting/using such photos?

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by LuxFerum
A girls picture is now child porno.
I think you are clearly overreacting.

Do you call this a girl's picture? Just a nice girl's picture?

Right!

[BillyTK]

I think we've indentified the woman in Genghis's av as Mena Suvari (http://us.imdb.com/Name?Suvari,+Mena) (or it could be Sylvia the psychic, the thread in which we discussed this (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20381&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post1869930651) got rather confusing).

I guess we're used to seeing young film stars in states of undress for publicity shots; but it's also intersting how, when used as an avatar it loses its context, and the more ambiguious aspects, which Cleopatra has identified, are revealed.

Recently, there was the case of a poster (apologies to her/him, I'm unable to recall their name) whose avatar looked like a typically gynaecological detailed porno shot, but was actually a cleverly edited picture of someone's hand on a (computer) mouse. Personally I found the choice of imagery used distasteful, but understood the idea that the poster was communicating with it. I don't know if there are any similar mitigating circumstances surrounding Ghengis's avatar? Although "it looks like child porno--but it isn't!" wouldn't be acceptable, because that's the point.

[Cleopatra]

Billy. I was discussing the style of the photo which is definetely child porno chic.

Personally, I didn't mind the other avatar of GP, with the woman in the bathtub,wearing handcuffs ( at least this how it looked) because it lacked " the childish innocence" that this photo implies.

I don't care who the woman is and I think that it doesn't make any difference.

And of course there is the other bigger issue with the photo of the dead baby that Unique has posted.

[Cleopatra]

I need a favour.

If "something" change in the "Road Map Plan" thread , please let me know, because I want to return there to reply...

As long as the photo of the baby is there, I just can't participate in the discussion.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Billy. I was discussing the style of the photo which is definetely child porno chic.

Personally, I didn't mind the other avatar of GP, with the woman in the bathtub,wearing handcuffs ( at least this how it looked) because it lacked " the childish innocence" that this photo implies.

I don't care who the woman is and I think that it doesn't make any difference.

And of course there is the other bigger issue with the photo of the dead baby that Unique has posted.

I was discussing the style of this photo as well (although I have to mention the ambiguity of the age of the model in other photos used by Ghengis has been noted in other threads) so I don't see where your disagreement arises from? :confused:

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
...child porno chic.


what the hell is this?
Looks like one of JK's made up sentences.

[Genghis Pwn]

Hey Cleopatra, maybe I think the girl is beautiful. Ever thought of that? Lol at saying it's not a big deal then making a thread entitled "No, I won't report this to a moderator" and talking trash about me.

Whatever. I like you a little less than I did yesterday. Oh well. I'm sure you're crushed. :p

[Martin]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
As for Martinm. The age of the person in the photo doesn't really matter. What it matters is how is presented. The aestetics of under aged porno is that I commented1) Aesthetics is a personal judgement. She doesn't look under-age to me. Perhaps the problem is that at nearly 2100 years old young adults start to look like children to you?

2) If the picture is of Mena Suvari, she's older than I am.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by LuxFerum


what the hell is this?
Looks like one of JK's made up sentences.

"Porno chic" is a coined term that refers to the glamorisation and social acceptance of pr0n.

Ghengis' avatars look similar to the underage girls that pose provocatively for the cameras with their clothes on (no nudity). There are many of these sites. Here is a link to one of the portal sites. I found it by putting "sexy child models" into the search engine.

The link is safe for work, but if you think a page of Ghengis type avatars might make you look like a pedophile to your boss, or cross some sort of line at your work, then beware.

http://www.topsitelists.com/start/modelstop20/

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by tamiO


http://www.topsitelists.com/start/modelstop20/
:eek:

[BillyTK]

Couple of points I'd like to make. Firstly, fetishisation of this kind is nothing new; think "sexy nurses" or "sexy schoolgirls", which is okay, because the models aren't really nurses or schoolgirls, but ask yourself what the relationship is between being "sexy" and nurses or schoolgirls? Or think about the "heroin chich" thing so popular on the catwalks a few years back; what is it about the appearance of heroin addicts that makes the look so desirable?

The other point is, that whilst randi.org is a public space, it's also a privately owned charity dedicated to education; so Mr Randi and his staff have to think very carefully about what material is displayed within this sight, and they are fully entitled to deal with any material which falls outside of their guidelines in anyway they see fit.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Cleopatra

But, the last person who has posted there ,Unique,had attached a photo of a dead( murdered) child. I guess that it's ok with the rules...


There is an option in your control panel that allows you to not show images in posts and a link will be provided, instead.

Other example. Our nice friend Genghis Pawn(usually, I read his posts) is using as an avatar a pic of a very young girl who poses in a provocative way.


There is also an option available so you do not have to see avatars. It is a limited option, however, you either view all avatars or have them all disappear.

:)

[LW]

Originally posted by Martinm
Perhaps the problem is that at nearly 2100 years old young adults start to look like children to you?[

Haven't you learned yet that women don't like their ages overestimated. It is 2071, nowhere close to 2100.

[jimlintott]

I have a fourteen year old daughter. She is very beautiful and like many girls her age doesn't seem to like to wear many clothes. She is becoming a young woman and experimenting with her new found sexuality. If I was to take a snap shot of her on any given day it might look simailar to GPs avatar. Does that make me a pornographer? It's just a picture to send to Gramma.

I have no doubt that a simple snap shot of my daughter could drive many pedophiles wild. That isn't my fault or her fault. That doesn't make the picture pornographic. That seems to be in the eye of the beholder.

Pornography is a legitimate art form. It can elicit tremendous response from its audience. How many art forms an cause physical arousal in the viewer? Pornography is far more graphic and more obviously erotic than these avatars. If all they need to be is suggestive then the class photos from the local Catholic girls school might be considered pronographic.

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by tamiO


http://www.topsitelists.com/start/modelstop20/

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[tamiO]

Originally posted by jimlintott
I have a fourteen year old daughter. She is very beautiful and like many girls her age doesn't seem to like to wear many clothes. She is becoming a young woman and experimenting with her new found sexuality. If I was to take a snap shot of her on any given day it might look simailar to GPs avatar. Does that make me a pornographer? It's just a picture to send to Gramma.

I have no doubt that a simple snap shot of my daughter could drive many pedophiles wild. That isn't my fault or her fault. That doesn't make the picture pornographic. That seems to be in the eye of the beholder.

Pornography is a legitimate art form. It can elicit tremendous response from its audience. How many art forms an cause physical arousal in the viewer? Pornography is far more graphic and more obviously erotic than these avatars. If all they need to be is suggestive then the class photos from the local Catholic girls school might be considered pronographic.

I get the feeling that you wouldn't be interested in starting a website featuring pictures and videos of your daughter posing in provocative ways in order to make serious cash. :D

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by jimlintott
I have a fourteen year old daughter. She is very beautiful and like many girls her age doesn't seem to like to wear many clothes. She is becoming a young woman and experimenting with her new found sexuality. If I was to take a snap shot of her on any given day it might look simailar to GPs avatar. Does that make me a pornographer? It's just a picture to send to Gramma.
Would you actually use such a picture as your avatar though?

I have no doubt that a simple snap shot of my daughter could drive many pedophiles wild. That isn't my fault or her fault. That doesn't make the picture pornographic. That seems to be in the eye of the beholder.

Pornography is a legitimate art form. It can elicit tremendous response from its audience. How many art forms an cause physical arousal in the viewer? Pornography is far more graphic and more obviously erotic than these avatars. If all they need to be is suggestive then the class photos from the local Catholic girls school might be considered pronographic.
I dunno if I'd use the words pornography and art in the same sentence (other than joined with the word "isn't") but maybe that's a different argument :) I think the point here is that it's not necessarily the suggestiveness that's the issue as much as the style of the photograph. I don't doubt there's someone somewhere who would find a class photo of catholic schoolgirls arousing (although how would you tell? would they all be holding rosary beads or something? and would it be as suggestive if they were all protestants, or Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912 girls?), but it'd be a different story if they were draped around a coppice with their clothing artfully disarranged as per GP's previous avatar.

Btw, have you seen these Calendar Girls (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3034917.stm)? (Link guaranteed work friendly and non-explicit)

Edited to add "previous"

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

On Courtney's website (Courtney is the name of the 12 year old child in your newest avatar) she features a video for sale where you can:

See Courtney in action as she shows you her favorite cheerleading routine. Then it's off to the swimming pool to get cooled off. Her video is packed with fun and laughter.
source: ( http://www.courtneymodel.com/video.html )


For some reason, the picture from the part of the video that shows her swimming is actually a picture of her on her hands and knees on a bed. She is in a bathing suit, but she doesn't appear to be swimming.

Ghengis, what are your opinions about these types of websites?

[Mr Manifesto]

And they make a big deal about how muslim women wear neck-to-knee clothing.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn
Hey Cleopatra, maybe I think the girl is beautiful. Ever thought of that? Lol at saying it's not a big deal then making a thread entitled "No, I won't report this to a moderator" and talking trash about me.

Whatever. I like you a little less than I did yesterday. Oh well. I'm sure you're crushed. :p


Come on Genghis Pawn I think that you will survive for liking me less today...

The photo of your avatar belongs to a 12 years old girl. At least is not provocative but the video she sells makes me feel sad about the child and its parents.

Somebody is getting rich by selling her and some people seem to approve it.

You see, I have worked in cases with children that have been used as raw material ( this is how they call it) in the industry of pornography.

The 50% of the cases of the children that have ended up murdered after being tortured and raped, could have been saved if some people thought that it wasn't ok...

Also, I don't plan to disable the feature that permits me to see photos in posts. I am planning to do my best to spoil your amusement everytime somebody posts a picture of a dead Palestianian or a dead Israeli.

If Unique and others can't debate, they can go fishing instead of posting pictures of dead babies.

[c0rbin]

Ghengis Prawn knows exactly what he is doing.

[Mr Manifesto]

So, Cleopatra, how would you feel if my 12 year old sister posted a picture of herself trying to look sexy on a website?

[Cleopatra]

Mr.Manifesto.

The fact that the 12 years old kid would be a relative of yours seems to give another meaning to the whole issue that I fail to see...

Could you, please, elaborate?

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by tamiO


On Courtney's website (Courtney is the name of the 12 year old child in your newest avatar) she features a video for sale where you can:



For some reason, the picture from the part of the video that shows her swimming is actually a picture of her on her hands and knees on a bed. She is in a bathing suit, but she doesn't appear to be swimming.

Ghengis, what are your opinions about these types of websites?

Lol @ "Her video is packed with fun and laughter."

Look, most of these sites are tacky, and many are disturbing. I think girls become beautiful/attractive when their bodies develop. When they get boobs, muff, wider hips, etc. Before that they are just cute, like puppies. I like David Hamilton's photography of teenage girls. Very artful. And the girls are incredibly beautiful.

I might have to make a thread about this. It's an interesting topic, and should draw out many hypocrites and probably a few "moral" crusaders. :D

[plindboe]

Genkhis' current avatar is not sexy. It's a fun picture of a cute little girl. It's incorrect to use the word underage, since the picture isn't porn. His previous avatars where more sexy, but didn't look like children at all. Reacting so strongly to this, is what I would describe as hysteria. Don't cry wolf, until you actually see one.

Peter :)

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by plindboe
Genkhis' current avatar is not sexy. It's a fun picture of a cute little girl.

We are not talking about this avatar, in fact, the thread is not about GP's avatar but about provocative behaviours.There is an issue too with a photo of a dead baby Unique posted.

It's incorrect to use the word underage, since the picture isn't porn. His previous avatars where more sexy, but didn't look like children at all. Reacting so strongly to this, is what I would describe as hysteria. Don't cry wolf, until you actually see one.

Peter :)

The word underage is very specific, It describes humans that are younger than 18 years old.I am sorry.

As for the hysteria yes, of course. People in Belgium used to talk like this until it was their child that was **********.

[Psiload]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Publice Service Announcement:

Ahem... As the father of a young girl, forget that... as a member of the human race, I'd like to take this opportunity to say to Genghis Pwn, and all of the other sick pedophiles of the world:

It is people like you who make me wish I was not a critical thinker, for then I would be able to believe that there exists a place called Hell in which you would deservedly rot for all eternity.

Thank you.

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by Psiload

Publice Service Announcement:

Ahem... As the father of a young girl, forget that... as a member of the human race, I'd like to take this opportunity to say to Genghis Pwn, and all of the other sick pedophiles of the world:

It is people like you who make me wish I was not a critical thinker, for then I would be able to believe that there exists a place called Hell in which you would deservedly rot for all eternity.

Thank you.

LOL, the first "moral" crusader has arrived. And he called me a pedophile too! I didn't just predict this three posts ago, did I? Psiload, shut your mouth you stupid idiot. I would like to see you call me that to my face. Where is your proof that I am pedo, you stupid jackass?

[Genghis Pwn]

The word underage is very specific, It describes humans that are younger than 18 years old.I am sorry.

What are you talking about? You can't drink until you are 21. You can get married in many US states at 16. 13 in Italy. Thanks for providing a universal definintion of "underage."

So all the highschool yearbooks and summercamp swimming, gynamstics photos, and JC Penny catalog girl models are "underage" porn? lol

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Psiload

Publice Service Announcement:

Ahem... As the father of a young girl, forget that... as a member of the human race, I'd like to take this opportunity to say to Genghis Pwn, and all of the other sick pedophiles of the world:

It is people like you who make me wish I was not a critical thinker, for then I would be able to believe that there exists a place called Hell in which you would deservedly rot for all eternity.

Thank you.

:rolleyes:

[Skeptic]

Cleo--I don't get what your problem is with Prawn's avatar. It is a fully-clother teenage girl--obviously not a small child in any case--doing nothing more sexual than smiling at the camera.

If that is "child pronography", ANYTHING is; after all, one could always IMAGINE that any child in any picture is doing something that's "sexualy inviting", if one is enough of a pervert...

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn


What are you talking about? You can't drink until you are 21. You can get married in many US states at 16. 13 in Italy. Thanks for providing a universal definintion of "underage."


What drinking and getting married has to do with being an underage...

Are you ignorant or you just pretend that you are?

I don't think that you like kids. It's just that you are very young and you try to be provocative but you have chosen the wrong field to display your humour.

Of course I can't be certain about your age... you see, Unique who is a grown-up, behaves like a teenager when he runs out of arguments...

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Tsk tsk tsk... Jedi Knight. Sir....Please... the last time we were discussing you behaved like a eurocommunist... now you get even lower...

I will assume that you posted out of ignorance this time.Well. Let me be more accurate; you posted out of ignorance this time too.

I don't live in Egypt. I currently post from Greece and Cleopatra wasn't Egyptian.I am sorry.

As for Martinm. The age of the person in the photo doesn't really matter. What it matters is how is presented. The aestetics of under aged porno is that I commented.

Did you understand it or shall I sketch it for you?

You are just starting chick trouble with this thread. I have seen this pattern before. It goes something like this:

1) Feminazi enters the forum

2) Complains of posting style

3) Hints to censorship

4) Tries to build a movement behind her

5) Seeks moderation role on the forum.

Instead of all the theatrics, why not just ask Hal to be a moderator? The instant you showed up here as a chick it is expected you would want to run the whole show. I mean, only chicks can moderate, right? Only chicks can tell what avatars are good avatars and what are bad avatars, right? Only chicks can set a moral standard, right?

JK

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


You are just starting chick trouble with this thread. I have seen this pattern before. It goes something like this:

1) Feminazi enters the forum

2) Complains of posting style

3) Hints to censorship

4) Tries to build a movement behind her

5) Seeks moderation role on the forum.

Instead of all the theatrics, why not just ask Hal to be a moderator? The instant you showed up here as a chick it is expected you would want to run the whole show. I mean, only chicks can moderate, right? Only chicks can tell what avatars are good avatars and what are bad avatars, right? Only chicks can set a moral standard, right?

JK

Are you drunk or are you just another fool with serious deficiencies in reading comprehension?

[Genghis Pwn]

LOL! JK slapped you down pretty good, Cleopatra. Maybe you shouldn't attack people like me for no good reason.

[Attrayant]

I didn't previously have a problem with those jailbait avatars, but now after reading this, I might:

Ghenghis' avatar has clothes on. Maybe it is his daughter.

"Come sweetie, pose for daddy. Yeah that's it, open your shirt a little more... now show a little more leg... now spread 'em open a little wider... oh yeah that's the ticket"

Ick.

= = =

JK:

1) Feminazi enters the forum

2) Complains of posting style

3) Hints to censorship

4) Tries to build a movement behind her

5) Seeks moderation role on the forum.

Why don't you have a look at yourself in that same mirror:

1) Nazi enters the forum

2) Complains of some imagined oppression

3) Suggest censorship to be the solution

4) Tries to incite mob reaction

5) Criticizes moderation role on the forum.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn
Maybe you shouldn't attack people like me

Why? Are you underage?

[plindboe]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
We are not talking about this avatar, in fact, the thread is not about GP's avatar but about provocative behaviours.There is an issue too with a photo of a dead baby Unique posted.

You used Genghis' picture as an example right from the beginning, so it is part of the issue. About dead baby pictures I fully agree, and had nothing to add.



The word underage is very specific, It describes humans that are younger than 18 years old.I am sorry.

So a 19 year old drinking liquor is not underage drinking to you?



As for the hysteria yes, of course. People in Belgium used to talk like this until it was their child that was **********.
Tell me more about this case. Were the child molested because of innocent pictures?

The current picture, is a fun picture, the like a parent would be proud of. There's nothing sexy or provokative about it.

Peter :)

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Attrayant
I didn't previously have a problem with those jailbait avatars, but now after reading this, I might:



"Come sweetie, pose for daddy. Yeah that's it, open your shirt a little more... now show a little more leg... now spread 'em open a little wider... oh yeah that's the ticket"

Ick.

= = =

JK:



Why don't you have a look at yourself in that same mirror:

1) Nazi enters the forum

2) Complains of some imagined oppression

3) Suggest censorship to be the solution

4) Tries to incite mob reaction

5) Criticizes moderation role on the forum.

lol, another stooge coming to defend "Cleo's" honor. I love chivalry in action.

It is more interesting to see the leftist brainwashing of men, however, especially lock-step brainwashing involving the 'Let's do it for the children" agenda.

It is brainwashing where any photo of a child is "child-porno", regardless of the amount of clothing the child wears or the origin. Also, if a 'parent" takes a photo of a child, to you, it must be with devious Las Vegas brothel overtones.

It has to be that way too because all 'adults' must be hostile agents and all children placed in a zone of silence to protect them from the terror of the American nation-state. It is leftist perversion, overrreaction and specifically designed to make the country appear more hostile and marginal than it is. The left hopes this continues so they can approach the populations of the United States and give them a 'better' alternative, a Marxist alternative.

That is, in effect, what you promote by latching onto the worst in leftist logic.

JK

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn
LOL! JK slapped you down pretty good, Cleopatra. Maybe you shouldn't attack people like me for no good reason.

Ghengis, you would have probably had better luck if you put an avatar up of homosexual adult mobs flocking to Disney Land to 'enlighten' the children there. I don't think the leftists would have appreciated it, but they may be more tolerant than seeing a clothed child's photo lol.

The irony of the new America.

JK

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by plindboe

[quote]So a 19 year old drinking liquor is not underage drinking to you?

According to the European Law he is not. According to other countries' legislation he is. We didn't talk about what I or you think. We were talking about the definition of the legal term underage.

Tell me more about this case. Were the child molested because of innocent pictures?

No, children are molested , every day,because the tolarance that exists in the society makes things easier for the molesters. Some people name this, Art and they don't question under which circumstances the child is "performing this art".

In most cases, according to the police reports,the children are forced to do it. Do you care? You don't have to but do you aknowledge me the right to question and to care?

The current picture, is a fun picture, the like a parent would be proud of. There's nothing sexy or provokative about it.

Peter :)

I have already said this.Yes, the current picture looks ok but have you checked the site that this picture comes from? Does it look ok to you?

[LuxFerum]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


lol, another stooge coming to defend "Cleo's" honor. I love chivalry in action.

It is more interesting to see the leftist brainwashing of men, however, especially lock-step brainwashing involving the 'Let's do it for the children" agenda.

It is brainwashing where any photo of a child is "child-porno", regardless of the amount of clothing the child wears or the origin. Also, if a 'parent" takes a photo of a child, to you, it must be with devious Las Vegas brothel overtones.

It has to be that way too because all 'adults' must be hostile agents and all children placed in a zone of silence to protect them from the terror of the American nation-state. It is leftist perversion, overrreaction and specifically designed to make the country appear more hostile and marginal than it is. The left hopes this continues so they can approach the populations of the United States and give them a 'better' alternative, a Marxist alternative.

That is, in effect, what you promote by latching onto the worst in leftist logic.

JK

JK is right!

löl

[Martin]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
The word underage is very specific, It describes humans that are younger than 18 years oldIn your country, perhaps. In mine the age of consent is 16.

On a more general note - if there are any pictures you find particularly offensive, Mozilla (http://www.mozilla.org) makes it quite easy to block certain images while leaving the rest viewable.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Martinm
In your country, perhaps. In mine the age of consent is 16.



Consent to what, you mean sex or drinking or driving a car? In my country is 12 ... don't confuse things.

[Attrayant]

Hey wingnut, I suggest you double up on your meds. I'm not coming to anybody's honor, just posting an opinion. Please be advised to get a life.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Skeptic
Cleo--I don't get what your problem is with Prawn's avatar. It is a fully-clother teenage girl--obviously not a small child in any case--doing nothing more sexual than smiling at the camera.


Ok.Why not. One more time.

GP and Unique have the right to post such photos because they do not violate any rules.

The fact that some men need specific rules in order to avoid the obvious is what I commented. negatively

[Martin]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Consent to what, you mean sex or drinking or driving a car? In my country is 12 ... don't confuse things. I mean sex - sorry for not making that clear. One does not exactly consent to drinking or driving.

The point is that, apart from his current one, Ghengis' avatars never looked underage to me. I suspect he chose the current one just to annoy you.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Attrayant
Hey wingnut, I suggest you double up on your meds. I'm not coming to anybody's honor, just posting an opinion. Please be advised to get a life.

No, you rushed to Cleo's side to 'defend' her honor, but with a leftist edge.

JK

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Martinm
I mean sex - sorry for not making that clear. One does not exactly consent to drinking or driving.

The point is that, apart from his current one, Ghengis' avatars never looked underage to me. I suspect he chose the current one just to annoy you.


Ok. Consent to things has nothing to do with whether you are an underage or not.

The current one doesn't annoy me, in fact I had a good laugh when I saw it but when Tamy posted the source I couldn't laugh anymore but it's much better than the previous one.

The avatar I liked most was the young woman in the bathtub with her hands in handcuffs...

I like handcuffs. I am planning to use them if I ever meet Jedi Knight...

[plindboe]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
According to the European Law he is not. According to other countries' legislation he is. We didn't talk about what I or you think. We were talking about the definition of the legal term underage.

Indeed, but I think you miss my point. My point is that underage, doesn't point to a specific age. It depends on whether that person is allowed to do what he does, depending of what age he is. If he's too young to do that activity, it is called underage. If it's a picture, that is not porn, then the term underage is incorrect to use.



No, children are molested , every day,because the tolarance that exists in the society makes things easier for the molesters. Some people name this, Art and they don't question under which circumstances the child is "performing this art".

You need to provide evidence for this claim. This reminds me of when people blame violence on video games or rock music, or blame rape on porn. It just seems like wild speculation. How does innocent pictures lead to children being molested?



In most cases, according to the police reports,the children are forced to do it. Do you care? You don't have to but do you aknowledge me the right to question and to care?

Yes, I do care very much, and you have every right to question and care, like I have every right to question you when I disagree. About the current picture we're discussing, do you think she was forced to do it?


I have already said this.Yes, the current picture looks ok but have you checked the site that this picture comes from? Does it look ok to you?
I'm sure you can find pictures from diper comercials too on sites across the web. Even when it's perfectly innocent and harmless, there will always be loonies out there who get excited by it. That doesn't make the pictures themselves wrong though.

Peter :)

[tamiO]

Originally posted by plindboe
If it's a picture, that is not porn, then the term underage is incorrect to use.

I think it is exploitation, not pornography. The girls are dressed, but I question the parenting abilties of people who publish these sorts of websites.

It's a blurry line and a matter of personal taste as to whether the line has been crossed.

Back to the topic of posting provocative images to the forum, GK knew he was provoking people and had to know he would be accused of being a pedophile, eventually. Whether he is stupid or not depends on what his goals are as a member of the forum.

His avatar has raised awareness. This is a good thing. He is not a pedophile from the evidence he has presented, but he puts himself on questionable ground by appearing to support the exploitation of children.

AUP's picture brings the reality of war home. I am not offended by seeing such pictures, but I am well aware that many people are overtly offended by such pictures.

This is why I like the features in the control panel. It gives people who are easily offended by certain images the ability to turn them off and follow a link if they so choose.

I prefer it when people just post a link to offensive images, but only because I feel empathy for those who are offended. It's just a matter of respect.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by plindboe

Indeed, but I think you miss my point.

Law doesn't care about your point. If you use legal terms you must be accurate. I am not the one who makes the rules.

You need to provide evidence for this claim. This reminds me of when people blame violence on video games or rock music, or blame rape on porn. It just seems like wild speculation. How does innocent pictures lead to children being molested?

No I don't have to provide you with anything. But you can google a bit. Type Carla Del Ponte +child pornography. Don't read if you have already had your dinner...

The reason we say that those pictures are not innocent is because they advertise, in a subtle way that it's acceptable for children to be sexually desired. It works the same way gay-chic does. The subtle meaning is that " It's ok".It's chic... It's Art!So, no problem!

Haven't you ever heard about the way advertisement works?

About the current picture we're discussing, do you think she was forced to do it?

Just show me where in my posts did you read that I said that in the particular picture she was forced...

To my surprise though... most of you defended passionately GP's avatars without defending Unique's right to post the photos of dead babies or is it because you agree with members posting photos of dead people ?

[c0rbin]

To my surprise though... most of you defended passionately GP's avatars without defending Unique's right to post the photos of dead babies or is it because you agree with members posting photos of dead people ?

I think it has to do with this forum's control panel. I can turn off all post-embedded images so I don;t get suprised here at work.

I too, having a 3 year-old and a 7 month old am very uncomfortable seeing images of dead babies. Not what I want to see. I am not so niave that I am unaware that children die every day for all sorts of reasons, I just prefer not to revel in it for any reason.

Unfortunately, the avatars are all or none. I like my avatar and it helps me scan through a post to find where the conversation might have picked up again. It also helps me find a post from a poster I like to read or like to ignore.

I think deep down, GP knows that it is not okay to desire children sexually. Does that stop him from whacking off to internet porn? A question I cannot answer.

Remember, freedom of speech is way more important than the moral justification of exploiting teenagers.

[dingler44]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I wouldn't mind if those photos depicted grown-up women but they don't.

As a citizen and a lawyer in my country, I have fought against this kind of pornography, I have also fought for the rights of the dead and the use of death by Media.



What about your seductive cartoon? I'm sure there's somebody out there aroused by that. Why exactly do you present us with such an image? What is your intention?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Cleopatra

.........................

To my surprise though... most of you defended passionately GP's avatars without defending Unique's right to post the photos of dead babies or is it because you agree with members posting photos of dead people ?


" People do NOT jump to defend posting of dead baby pictures...."


There could be a clue there.....

[plindboe]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Law doesn't care about your point. If you use legal terms you must be accurate. I am not the one who makes the rules.

You used an incorrect term, which I pointed out. I guess you don't want to admit when you are wrong.


Originally posted by Cleopatra
No I don't have to provide you with anything. But you can google a bit. Type Carla Del Ponte +child pornography. Don't read if you have already had your dinner...

This approach is used by many on this board. They make a claim, and tell you to find the evidence yourself.:rolleyes:



The reason we say that those pictures are not innocent is because they advertise, in a subtle way that it's acceptable for children to be sexually desired. It works the same way gay-chic does. The subtle meaning is that " It's ok".It's chic... It's Art!So, no problem!

Maybe we're talking past each other here. I'm talking about the innocent avatar picture that is in use now, which you for some reason find provoking. I'm not talking about the pictures on that link, most of which I found to be quite disturbing.



Just show me where in my posts did you read that I said that in the particular picture she was forced...

You overreacted about a picture you found provokative for some reason, and this I have been trying to point out, after which you begin to talk about children being forced to pose. This naturally brought on the question.



To my surprise though... most of you defended passionately GP's avatars without defending Unique's right to post the photos of dead babies or is it because you agree with members posting photos of dead people ?
In my case, and I think the other cases, people reacted to your avatar example because they disagreed. I agreed with what you said about Unique's pictures, so why would I post about that? Just to say, "I agree"? Usually on discussion boards, people discuss because they have different opinions on a subject, and that is the simple reason why several people reacted to the GP example.

Peter :)

[hal bidlack]

Would I allow my daughters to pose that way? No

Do I like that avatar? No

Is it pornography? No, don't think so

Is it in questionable taste? Oh Yes, I think so

Is it allowed on this forum? Yes

I have turned off all avatars (my viewing of them, that is) as I find several of them distasteful. But I see that as my issue, unless they cross the line (my line). When they are reported, I look at them.

Pictures of dead bodies are not allowed, regardless of which political agenda is being advanced.

[Frostbite]

WTF Cleo? Genghis's avatar looks like any YM magazine ad in the subway. No idea why he uses it, but it's lightyears from being considered "arousing".

[Psiload]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn


LOL, the first "moral" crusader has arrived. And he called me a pedophile too! I didn't just predict this three posts ago, did I? Psiload, shut your mouth you stupid idiot. I would like to see you call me that to my face. Where is your proof that I am pedo, you stupid jackass?

A keyboard toughguy, as well as a pederast... what a charmer.

Hey, Genghis... I suppose you just stumbled upon that website while searching for the sex offender's registry page, huh? I hope you remembered to register.

[Cleopatra]

Frostbite, we have been talking about this all day long. I was quite aware of the fact that Genghis Pawn hasn't violated any rules, I thought that Unique hasn't violated them either but I was wrong about this, the ugly photo Unique has posted was removed anyway.

I don't find GP's avatars pornographic, I said that they promote the culture or the style if you wish, of child porn sic. I didn't even ask GP to remove it.

I asked both of them why they must be so provocative. Just because there is no rule to prohibit it?

As I said in my original post: "Is this humour or it's the behaviour of a person who has lost control in his constant effort to appear an extremist?"

[jimlintott]

Posted by TamiO
I get the feeling that you wouldn't be interested in starting a website featuring pictures and videos of your daughter posing in provocative ways in order to make serious cash.

You're right I wouldn't. That would be exploitive and in poor taste.

[renata]

I just saw this thread, and wanted to add this

I reported AUP's photograph of a dead baby to the moderators. I also reporded Genghis's photographs of decapitated head to the moderators, a few weeks back.

I do not wish to turn off the images, because I expect people on this forum can argue their points with words, and not gruesome images. There are plenty of good images that can add value to the discussion. If I was mistaken, I may indeed resort to it. I find those who need to exploit images of tragic deaths of innocents to make a point on an internet message board to be contemptible. My personal opinion.


I requested, in both instances ( and I expect moderators can confirm that) that the following actions take place
1. Images replaced with a link, so those interested may view it still
2. Warning gets posted of the nature of the post, if the image can not be removed.

In each instance I did not get all I asked for, but I was quite satisfied with what I did get. For that, I am grateful to the moderators


Now, as to Genghis' avatar. GP has mentioned in another thread, about political correctness of the forum, that he deliberately tests various internet forums for PC. We are the thrid or fourth he posted the PC thread in. I assume his other boorish behavior is designed for the same reason. I have no strong feelings one way or another about it, because I know it is designed to provoke me, and when motivations are so clear, it is not worth my time to discuss it. I will not change his mind, and just give him the attention he obviously craves.

In the meanwhile, although Cleopatra does not need my support, as she has shown repeatedly she handle herself perfectly well against any adversary here- she has it. Bravo, my Queen :)

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Frostbite, we have been talking about this all day long. I was quite aware of the fact that Genghis Pawn hasn't violated any rules, I thought that Unique hasn't violated them either but I was wrong about this, the ugly photo Unique has posted was removed anyway.

I don't find GP's avatars pornographic, I said that they promote the culture or the style if you wish, of child porn sic. I didn't even ask GP to remove it.

I asked both of them why they must be so provocative. Just because there is no rule to prohibit it?

As I said in my original post: "Is this humour or it's the behaviour of a person who has lost control in his constant effort to appear an extremist?"

Where did Frosbite mention ' rules ' ?


He asked you ' why you thought GP's avatar is provocative? ' ....

I was interested in hearing your answer to that also..

P.S. Maybe you should have ' just reported the dead baby to a moderator '...

I would have.. I have reported similar pictures to the mods, and they were promptly removed without question..

Instead you chose to try to make some kind of statement about how magnimonious you were being, about not being a 'tattle tale', while digging real deep to find something else that you find objectionable, then getting your toga in a wad, when you didn't get a lot of support...

[jimlintott]

Posted by BillyTK
I don't doubt there's someone somewhere who would find a class photo of catholic schoolgirls arousing (although how would you tell? would they all be holding rosary beads or something? and would it be as suggestive if they were all protestants, or Northern Conservative Fundamentalist Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912 girls?),

Their school uniform is usually plaid skirts, white collared shirts and knee high socks. An outfit that has become a staple of prostitutes and pornographers. Probably at least as popular as Nun's habits. That's why some freaky people could be entirely turned on by this class photo.

Pornography is certainly an art form. It is one of the oldest and most enduring artistic expressions ever. Doesn't mean you have to like it.

[Cleopatra]

Diogenes.

I won't pose you the question I posed to Jedi Knight, whether you are drunk or you are just another fool with serious deficiencies in reading comprehension because I already know the answer...

[LW]

Originally posted by Psiload

A keyboard toughguy, as well as a pederast... what a charmer.

Are you certain you know what that word means?

In my opinion GP's avatars have shown a little bad taste, but to call them "pedofilic" is going way over top.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Diogenes.

I won't pose you the question I posed to Jedi Knight, whether you are drunk or you are just another fool with serious deficiencies in reading comprehension because I already know the answer...

I'll accept that as a substitute for a substitive answer.. I would have been surprised if you had done otherwise.

Comparing me to Jk really does hurt though.. It calls for a bit of introspection...


... chirp ... chirp ... chirp


Nahhh.. I'm O.K.. :)

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Ok.Why not. One more time.

GP and Unique have the right to post such photos because they do not violate any rules.

The fact that some men need specific rules in order to avoid the obvious is what I commented. negatively

Who the hell do you think you are? The moral authority around here. What a jerk.

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by Cleopatra



Ok. Consent to things has nothing to do with whether you are an underage or not.

The current one doesn't annoy me, in fact I had a good laugh when I saw it but when Tamy posted the source I couldn't laugh anymore but it's much better than the previous one.

The avatar I liked most was the young woman in the bathtub with her hands in handcuffs...

I like handcuffs. I am planning to use them if I ever meet Jedi Knight...

That's an outright lie. I never posed ANY picture involving handcuffs. You are a desperate liar. I am extremely disapointed, Cleopatra, because I thought you were a good person and a potential friend here. I guess I was wrong.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Diogenes.

I won't pose you the question I posed to Jedi Knight, whether you are drunk or you are just another fool with serious deficiencies in reading comprehension because I already know the answer...

I think it has to do with matriarchal envy. Masculine men like Ghenghis post an avatar of a young lady who isn't sexually plundered and the feminist-hate juices start flowing.

Who else but feminazis could question Ghenghis' avatar? Think about it. Bust open any JC Penny Catalog and there are pictures of women in there that the feminists should really get their panties caught up in a knot about.

Or better yet, a Penthouse issue is much better lol.

That is what it is really about, isn't it?

JK

[Soubrette]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn


That's an outright lie. I never posed ANY picture involving handcuffs. You are a desperate liar.

Or mistaken

You can check out the avatar on Ruby's "time to change my avatar" thread here:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1869934941#post1869934941

I think the bracelet may have confused you Cleopatra

Sou

[renata]

Originally posted by Soubrette


Or mistaken

You can check out the avatar on Ruby's "time to change my avatar" thread here:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1869934941#post1869934941

I think the bracelet may have confused you Cleopatra

Sou


Thanks, Sou. For the record, I also thought it was handcuffs.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn


That's an outright lie. I never posed ANY picture involving handcuffs. You are a desperate liar. I am extremely disapointed, Cleopatra, because I thought you were a good person and a potential friend here. I guess I was wrong.

Oh! I thought that the lovely pic with the hands up involved handcuffs too... I apologize, although I am bit dissapointed because I liked this pic exactly for the handcuffs...

Genghis Pawn. I don't care whether people like me or not. Don't take me wrong. I want to make good friends here but I won't post things just to be pleasant. I thought that you and Unique were wrong, we discussed about it ,it wasn't personal, it's over!

There is an old Jewish proverb I love to quote: "The toughest muscle in the human body must be the heart..."

Let's say that I work harder than others on that...

[Genghis Pwn]

Well before you accuse someone of posting preteens handcuffed in the bathtub, don't you think you should be sure about it???? She could have asked me, or said, "Was that girl wearing handcuffs..." or whatever. But no, that didn't fit in with her agenda to attack me.

JK is right that it is typical for "feminist"-type crusaders to attack men for admiring the beauty of younger women, even in such an incredibly innocent way as I have with my G-rated avs. You don't see any men starting threads like this.

[Frostbite]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Frostbite, we have been talking about this all day long. I was quite aware of the fact that Genghis Pawn hasn't violated any rules, I thought that Unique hasn't violated them either but I was wrong about this, the ugly photo Unique has posted was removed anyway.

Hmm I don't agree. Young girls have a tendency to act older than they are, wearing makeup, high-heels and grown-up clothing. But that doesn't mean it has any sexual meaning. It's just girls being girls. I know, I watch the saturday morning cartoons on occasions and they have plenty of that for girl toys commercials. It's a bad thing if it arouses child molesters, but ordinary people don't mind that and I don't wanna wrap young children in clothes and force them to cover every part of their bodies except for their face and hands. That would be a torture.

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Oh! I thought that the lovely pic with the hands up involved handcuffs too... I apologize, although I am bit dissapointed because I liked this pic exactly for the handcuffs...

Genghis Pawn. I don't care whether people like me or not. Don't take me wrong. I want to make good friends here but I won't post things just to be pleasant. I thought that you and Unique were wrong, we discussed about it ,it wasn't personal, it's over!

There is an old Jewish proverb I love to quote: "The toughest muscle in the human body must be the heart..."

Let's say that I work harder than others on that...

Baha!

You saw that pic and thought: "Jesus H. Christ, Ghenghis is showing pics of chicks in bondage!"

That is what you thought.

But it took a few days or so for you to get worked up enough about it to come in here and start this thread lol.

Hey Cleo, are you like a fat Oreo-cookie eating chick, or are you slim and sexy?

JK

[renata]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn


JK is right that it is typical for "feminist"-type crusaders to attack men for admiring the beauty of younger women, even in such an incredibly innocent way as I have with my G-rated avs. You don't see any men starting threads like this.


LOL! He is not a troll, he is not a sockpuppet. He is JK's Mini-Me

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn
Well before you accuse someone of posting preteens handcuffed in the bathtub, don't you think you should be sure about it???? She could have asked me, or said, "Was that girl wearing handcuffs..." or whatever. But no, that didn't fit in with her agenda to attack me.

JK is right that it is typical for "feminist"-type crusaders to attack men for admiring the beauty of younger women, even in such an incredibly innocent way as I have with my G-rated avs. You don't see any men starting threads like this.

You had me. That pic you posted of the 'kiss' was pretty awesome. I couldn't tell how old the model was in that pic but there was something about it that drew emotion out of me.

Pictures are art. Naked pictures attract certain types of people. I like to look at beautiful women, but I don't purchase pornagraphy to do it.

Now, if someone gives me some Penthouse mags for free, well, that is a different story lol.

JK

[Cleopatra]

You didn't get it Genghis Pawn.

I almost congradulated you on this photo, it was your previous one that upset me.

On a different tone...

Genghis Pawn... come closer... a masculine man( TM Jedi Knight) like you can't be really interested in those girls... let me show you what a FEMINAZI ( TM Jedi Knight)can do...we won't use the handcuffs if they scare you so much....

PS Jedi Knight are you the type who reads Penthouse for free? Oh dear....

[Genghis Pwn]

JK, here is the pic you are talking about. I like it too!

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
You didn't get it Genghis Pawn.

I almost congradulated you on this photo, it was your previous one that upset me.

On a different tone...

Genghis Pawn... come closer... a masculine man( TM Jedi Knight) like you can't be really interested in those girls... let me show you what a FEMINAZI ( TM Jedi Knight)can do...we won't use the handcuffs if they scare you so much....

PS Jedi Knight are you the type who reads Penthouse for free? Oh dear....

Haha, go ahead and post your pic. Like most men, I am attracted to women age 15 to 25, but I make exceptions, believe me!

[Jedi Knight]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn
JK, here is the pic you are talking about. I like it too!

Yeah, that is the Pic. I think that picture is great.

Think about it. Would a picture of a fig-newton eating feminist posing for a kiss draw emotion out of you? Hell no. It would probably make you sick to your stomach.

JK

[c0rbin]

typical for "feminist"-type crusaders

Is that "feminist" or "feminazi"?

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight


Hey Cleo, are you like a fat Oreo-cookie eating chick, or are you slim and sexy?

JK

I was ready to reply to this but then, I read that you wait to be fed by free issues of Penthouse and I was kinda put off...

Oh Tempora... Oh Mores...

[renata]

My Queen

A question for you, if I may. Why is it that when men are losing an argument to a lady, they fling accusations over her appearance?

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by renata
My Queen

A question for you, if I may. Why is it that when men are losing an argument to a lady, they fling accusations over her appearance?

Lol, talk about "flinging accusations..." :rolleyes: Only one person has been proven guilty of that on this thread.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Jedi Knight
.......

pornagraphy ........
JK


I'm trying to imagine Hillary clinton with just her socks on....



It really hurts...

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by renata
My Queen

A question for you, if I may. Why is it that when men are losing an argument to a lady, they fling accusations over her appearance?

Well I don't know... Maybe he really enjoyed my whipping him during the day and he asks for more now....

Tell me Renata, do you think that he would make me an avatar if he had a photo of mine....

[renata]

Originally posted by Cleopatra


Well I don't know... Maybe he really enjoyed my whipping him during the day and he asks for more now....

Tell me Renata, do you think that he would make me an avatar if he had a photo of mine....


My Queen
I do not thing he could stand your beauty and radiance. He would be blinded by your image.

[Cleopatra]

The crocodiles agree with you :p

[Tmy]

This is silly. Gengs ave looks like its out of the JC Penny catalog. If you fidn that pornagraphic then you have a dirty mind. Cleo's av is more provocative.


Glad Im av free.

[Luke T.]

Originally posted by Tmy
This is silly. Gengs ave looks like its out of the JC Penny catalog. If you fidn that pornagraphic then you have a dirty mind. Cleo's av is more provocative.


Glad Im av free.

But it didn't come from a catalog, did it.

It came from a site that is plainly designed to sexually arouse. Follow the origin of the photo from TamiO's link on page 1 of this topic. When you get to the little girl's page, click on the "Links" and it will be undeniable what the aim of this photo is.

I can only wonder how Genghis came across this photo. And his defense of it while simultaneously discussing "muffs" and such is pretty transparent. He, too, is sexually aroused by photos of young girls. It has nothing to with any artfulness. His defense isn't even artful.

The little girls in these photos are not mature enough to realize the signifigance of what they are doing. The people who photograph them in sexual poses, and the people who peruse those photos do. It is sexual exploitation of innocents. And it is sick.

Go ahead an call me some kind of moral crusader, Genghis. But I've got your number, too.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Luke T.
I can only wonder how Genghis came across this photoI'd imagine he got it from the first link TamiO posted. I think your moral crusade is somewhat misdirected ;)

All that's happened is this -

Genghis uses pictures of some young ladies in various provocative poses as avatars. As far as anyone can tell, they are not underage. Nor do they look it - to me, at least.

Cleo gets upset about it and starts this thread. I still don't understand what the hell her problem is.

TamiO posts links to pictures of young girls, some of them underage. I don't see the relevance to Genghis' avatars.

Genghis, almost certainly in response to this thread, follows one of the links and picks out an avatar, almost certainly just to upset Cleo further.

There is no evidence that Genghis found this picture independently. There is no evidence that he is turned on by underage girls, let alone that he is a pedophile or anything like it. There is a good deal of evidence that he is acting like a childish ar$ehole. That is all.

This entire discussion is absurd.

[Luke T.]

Originally posted by Martinm
I'd imagine he got it from the first link TamiO posted. I think your moral crusade is somewhat misdirected ;)

All that's happened is this -

Genghis uses pictures of some young ladies in various provocative poses as avatars. As far as anyone can tell, they are not underage. Nor do they look it - to me, at least.

Cleo gets upset about it and starts this thread. I still don't understand what the hell her problem is.

TamiO posts links to pictures of young girls, some of them underage. I don't see the relevance to Genghis' avatars.

Genghis, almost certainly in response to this thread, follows one of the links and picks out an avatar, almost certainly just to upset Cleo further.

There is no evidence that Genghis found this picture independently. There is no evidence that he is turned on by underage girls, let alone that he is a pedophile or anything like it. There is a good deal of evidence that he is acting like a childish ar$ehole. That is all.

This entire discussion is absurd.

If that was the chain of events, then I owe Genghis a huge apology. I do not know what avatars he has used in the past, and I did not know he had a different one prior to the beginning of this topic.

Sorry, Genghis. Really, I am. And thank you, Martin, for straightening me out on this. I was getting really torqued over this. It would have been a real crime for me to be walking around with the wrong idea about someone.

The sexual exploitation of children gets to me. Whether they are photographed nude or not, their young minds get twisted for life over this crap.

edited to add: Genghis, you certainly don't owe me anything after all this, but I must say that now that I know the source of your avatar, it is really bothering me. I don't want to have to turn off my ability to see avatars, because they function as a kind of navigation tool for me. But I may have to. It disturbs me that much.

[Luke T.]

Well, I found a topic where Genghis posted some of his avatars here. (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19102&perpage=40&pagenumber=2)

I am too old to tell if these girls are under 18 or not, but they sure look close. And I can't help but feel that is the idea. They certainly are in the style of the underage girl's site that Genghis' current avatar comes from.

If all these avatars are underaged girls, that is not cool.

[Martin]

For the record, most of Genghis' previous avatars can be found on this thread (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19102). The only one I recall that doesn't appear there is the one he posted above in the middle of this page. The actress in the pictures has, apparently, been identified as Mena Suvari - who, incidentally, is three years older than me.

As I mentioned to Cleo, you can get rid of any images you don't like by using AdBlock for Mozilla.

Edited to add: Ah, I see you found them.

Also for the record, I have Genghis' current avatar blocked.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Billy. I was discussing the style of the photo which is definetely child porno chic.

Personally, I didn't mind the other avatar of GP, with the woman in the bathtub,wearing handcuffs ( at least this how it looked) because it lacked " the childish innocence" that this photo implies.

I don't care who the woman is and I think that it doesn't make any difference.

And of course there is the other bigger issue with the photo of the dead baby that Unique has posted.

better stop kids from watching Nickelodeon TV then. That photo strikes me as an Amanda Bynes type pose, clothing and all more than something as perverse as child porn or as boderline as a Calvin Klein kids underwear ad.

[De_Bunk]

Cleopatra...

Tell me has any dead person complained of their rights being abused...

Or should Sylvia start a support group for the "Other side" to complain to....

Like the dead really care if their rights are being abused...

Or are we talking about the living relatives, who assume that the dead person would complain about his rights being abused...

The dead have no rights...they are DEAD...like they really care...

Next time a dead person has their rights abused...Get a statement from them....

Get real...

DB

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by Luke T.


If that was the chain of events, then I owe Genghis a huge apology. I do not know what avatars he has used in the past, and I did not know he had a different one prior to the beginning of this topic.

Sorry, Genghis. Really, I am. And thank you, Martin, for straightening me out on this. I was getting really torqued over this. It would have been a real crime for me to be walking around with the wrong idea about someone.

The sexual exploitation of children gets to me. Whether they are photographed nude or not, their young minds get twisted for life over this crap.

edited to add: Genghis, you certainly don't owe me anything after all this, but I must say that now that I know the source of your avatar, it is really bothering me. I don't want to have to turn off my ability to see avatars, because they function as a kind of navigation tool for me. But I may have to. It disturbs me that much.



Thanks for the apology. Yes, of course this was the chain of events. How could TamiO possibly find this girl out of the millions of pics on the net? A little thinking and logic could have avoided your accusations against me, but you apologized, and I accept. It happened exactly as Martinm described. I was just having fun using my current av, which I got from Tami's link. ;) I think we can ALL agree that it is not sexual in ANY way.

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Martinm
I'd imagine he got it from the first link TamiO posted. I think your moral crusade is somewhat misdirected ;)

All that's happened is this -

Genghis uses pictures of some young ladies in various provocative poses as avatars. As far as anyone can tell, they are not underage. Nor do they look it - to me, at least.

Cleo gets upset about it and starts this thread. I still don't understand what the hell her problem is.

TamiO posts links to pictures of young girls, some of them underage. I don't see the relevance to Genghis' avatars.

Genghis, almost certainly in response to this thread, follows one of the links and picks out an avatar, almost certainly just to upset Cleo further.

There is no evidence that Genghis found this picture independently. There is no evidence that he is turned on by underage girls, let alone that he is a pedophile or anything like it. There is a good deal of evidence that he is acting like a childish ar$ehole. That is all.

This entire discussion is absurd.

That pretty much sums it up. Someone had questioned the term "child porno chic" and I found that it was indeed a coined term.

This is where I found the links that show the young models' sites. GK immediately chose a picture of a 12 year old girl from that site and started using it as his new avatar.

I don't know where his previous avatars came from. Has anyone ever asked him directly?

[tamiO]

Originally posted by Genghis Pwn


How could TamiO possibly find this girl out of the millions of pics on the net?

Another doubter of my magical powers. hmmm.:rolleyes:

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Martinm

Also for the record, I have Genghis' current avatar blocked. [/B]

Ok Martin, let's say that I am overreacting ( I think that this is what you imply when you say that you don't understand what is all about. Right?)

Why have you blocked GP's avatar then?Can you explain me, if you wish, why does it bother you?

And you are wrong. You didn't summed-up correctly -at least the beginning of it. You excluded Unique's case and I wonder why.

The thread wasn't about GP's avatar and Unique's photo of the dead baby... it was about being provocative using any possible way like: a) using photos belonging to the culture of child porn chic (many of you disagreed on whether GP's avatars belong to this culture, I do and this is where the disagreement lies, or at least one of the disagreements) b) using photos of dead persons.

Did you get it now?

And another thing that I personally find interesting. You keep mentioning mozilla. Why do I have to use mozilla?

Do you think that my being against the aesthetics of child porn chic blocks anybody's right of self-expression?

Is child porn chic a form of art that must be respected as such regardless if we like it or not? What do you and others think?

Since I opened the Box of Pandora here, one more thing. What is your opinion on the photographers who become rich and famous depicting the death and the humiliation of humans in the zones of fire? I am not talking about the photo-reporters that bring the news from the War or the reality of war to us but about those who make art out of the war victims...( for example Oliviero Toscani...)

[Genghis Pwn]

Originally posted by Cleopatra



Do you think that my being against the aesthetics of child porn chic blocks anybody's right of self-expression?

Is child porn chic a form of art that must be respected as such regardless if we like it or not? What do you and others think?


Do you even know what "porn" means???????????? Using the word "porn" in ANY way to describe my avs is ridiculous. Cleo, you are losing credibility faster with each post.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Ok Martin, let's say that I am overreacting ( I think that this is what you imply when you say that you don't understand what is all about. Right?)Correct.Why have you blocked GP's avatar then?To demonstrate that it's possible.Can you explain me, if you wish, why does it bother you?It doesn't.And you are wrong. You didn't summed-up correctly -at least the beginning of it. You excluded Unique's case and I wonder whyI didn't consider it relevant to the issue of Genhis' new avatar.The thread wasn't about GP's avatar and Unique's photo of the dead baby... it was about being provocative using any possible way like: a) using photos belonging to the culture of child porn chic (many of you disagreed on whether GP's avatars belong to this culture, I do and this is where the disagreement lies, or at least one of the disagreements) b) using photos of dead persons

Did you get it now?I always got that. But only the 'child porn chic' part was controversial. I think most of us, myself included, agree with you about Unique's picture. And it was that part that led to various accusations against Genghis - some of which were very serious.And another thing that I personally find interesting. You keep mentioning mozilla. Why do I have to use mozilla?You don't have to, it's just the easiest way I know of getting rid of a particular image. Others suggested switching off images and avatars altogether, but that's a little over the top, I think. I was just trying to help.Do you think that my being against the aesthetics of child porn chic blocks anybody's right of self-expression?No.Is child porn chic a form of art that must be respected as such regardless if we like it or not? What do you and others think?I don't respect it, but there's no law against it that I know of. And as I mentioned before, I don't consider Genghis' previous avatars to be part of this culture.Since I opened the Box of Pandora here, one more thing. What is your opinion on the photographers who become rich and famous depicting the death and the humiliation of humans in the zones of fire? I am not talking about the photo-reporters that bring the news from the War or the reality of war to us but about those who make art out of the war victims...( for example Oliviero Toscani...) I don't really know enough about them to comment.

[Cleopatra]

Genghis Pawn.

If you knew how to read you would know by my first post how I describe your avatars...

You current avatar which is ok, comes from a site that it's not ok at all.

Keep using such sources if it's ok with you. I can't persuade you on the contrary but you failed to persuade me that it's ok either.

[Cleopatra]

Originally posted by Martinm
No.I don't respect it, but there's no law against it that I know of. And as I mentioned before, I don't consider Genghis' previous avatars to be part of this culture.

Aha! Now we are getting somewhere. This is exactly what I mentioned in my original post Martin.

Do we need a Law in order to abstain from the obvious?

But since you and others said that you think that GP's avatars are ok , I can't change your head over this. In my opinion they are not ok.

If you live in Europe, you know of what I am talking about. The campaign of Benetton with the clothes of the dead soldiers in the War in Bosnia are Toscani's... creations.

[heath]

Can I just say that for the record I have found Gengis' avatars quite disturbing and have actually put him on ignore on this basis rather than the content of his posts (after the third successive suspect avatar in a row). I just can't believe someone that finds this sort of imagery appealing (unless gengis is a child himself) isn't in some way a bit... wrong.

$0.02

[Supercharts]

Methinks Cleo's observations are a subterfuge for something else vis a vis GP/JK. But I could be wrong...

[Cleopatra]

Yeah... after all, I am a FEMINAZI.

[Supercharts]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
Yeah... after all, I am a FEMINAZI.
I think you are a balding leftist middle-aged male. But I could be wrong... :p

[Cleopatra]

At least you have humour...

Yeah who knows? :p

[billydkid]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
I wouldn't mind if those photos depicted grown-up women but they don't.

As a citizen and a lawyer in my country, I have fought against this kind of pornography, I have also fought for the rights of the dead and the use of death by Media.

Dead people have rights too.

The point is why people can't control themselves and behave like this?

Why some people need moderators in their lives to point to them that they have crossed the edges?

Why can't they see by themselves were the limits are?

Now, I really don't know anything about this discussion here or what you all are talking about in particular, but it appears to me that you are making a little sleight of hand move here - sliding directly from nudity, from not wearing clothingor wearing scanty clothing all the way to pornography and I do sincerely hope that even in this age of near hysterical political correctness there is still a distinction to be drawn. I do sincerely hope we have not slipped all the way back to the point where the unclothed body itself is to be considered obscene.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Troll


better stop kids from watching Nickelodeon TV then. That photo strikes me as an Amanda Bynes type pose, clothing and all more than something as perverse as child porn or as boderline as a Calvin Klein kids underwear ad.

Troll, Cleopatra's comments were in reference to this particular avatar (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1869934941#post1869938577), not Ghengis's current one.