Johnny Gosch Conspiracy Theory?

[Dave1001]

Are there any elements of truth to the larger allegations of the Johnny Gosch conspiracy theories? Such as a widespread network of child abductors/pornographers with govt. ties?

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/mom-gets-photos-of-son-kidnapped-24/20060901145109990002

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch

Warning, graphic newsmaking photo (no nudity or sex though) of Johnny Gosch bound and gagged from nbc news:

http://www.nbc5.com/image/9778099/detail.html

[Dave1001]

Wow, this looks to be one heck of a CT. Exhaustive details in this link:

http://www.franklincase.org/indepth.htm

[Kelly]

I hate it when this resurfaces. I'll probably get about 20 emails from wackos asking if I know about it and if this is what happened to my son. :(

[Dave1001]

I hate it when this resurfaces. I'll probably get about 20 emails from wackos asking if I know about it and if this is what happened to my son. :(

Well, that's so personal that I understand if you don't want to go into it further in this thread.

But it does look like at the least an organized child sex ring did abduct Nareen Gosch's son, and at most it was a fairly widespread conspiracy involving some political powerful people and many other children.

[sillyhead]

Oh, Kelly, that sucks!!!

It's strange and I don't know what to think about it all. I did find it interesting that someone said that this Paul guy had kept a diary for years about all this. But I also read a bunch of stuff written by Alex Jones, and it may have been him who said it (I don't think so, though, because I got fed up with him pretty quickly). Whoever it was said that it was inspected by forensics folks and it did appear to be a diary that was written in over a long period of time, rather than fabricated later on in order to win his suit (or to have Noreen help him win the suit). A lot of people in bed with other people though, very bizarre.

[Kelly]

I think at least some of it is true....I just don't know how much of it. It also happened long enough ago that I am sure that most of the players are no longer around, and were not at the time of my son's disappearance. Nevertheless, it is still disconcerting, especially as I am in Omaha.

I can recall the first time I tried to read about it. I became physically ill thinking about the things the story claimed happened. I have been able to read it since then, but would rather not think about it, thus the groan factor with the anticipation of an influx of emails about this.

I have it from good authority that Noreen Gosch is not mentally stable. Whether she was before her tragedy, I do not know.

[Matthew Best]

Most of this story sounds quite loony, but I had never heard of Johnny Gosch until reading this thread so I probably have a bit of catching up to do.

[Dave1001]

Most of this story sounds quite loony, but I had never heard of Johnny Gosch until reading this thread so I probably have a bit of catching up to do.

It does sound quite loony, but weirdly substantiated in some areas, such as the recent photo that turned up.

Although Gannon is not necessarily connected, he remains irritatingly unexplained overall for those that subscribe to a non-CT theory of American governance.

[sillyhead]

The pics don't really solidify anything for me. Quite the opposite. The gags, at least, are flimsy at best, and definitely not anything that would silence the boys. It looks seriously staged. Someone mentioned on the other thread that the boys are close to each other and would likely be able to help each other get loose, and it seems that way to me, so I'm betting they weren't like that for a long period of time.

[out of closet]I'm a part-time CT, actually, but that's probably just because I've seen people in positions of power abuse it quite a few times in my life. So I'm perfectly willing to believe that it was connected to the Lawrence King stuff, especially in the light of the sheriff where the Gosch's were from being also involved in that.

We just need more info, I think, and a lot less of the spew from the folks who're orbitting around the case speculating. But it doesn't sound like the cops took very good care of it from the beginning, so who knows?

[mrfreeze]

I would really like to see this one debated and gotten to the bottom of, because its what the CT's fall back on when they are losing an argument. "Oh yeah? Loose Change may be a hole ridden pile of [rule 8], but the government is involved in a kiddie sex ring! Conspiracy of Silence! Booga booga!"

[CurtC]

But it does look like at the least an organized child sex ring did abduct Nareen Gosch's son, and at most it was a fairly widespread conspiracy involving some political powerful people and many other children.
What makes you think that? I had never heard of the Gosches before this thread. I read a couple of articles, and my first impression is that her son was abducted, but she's really nutso. In my brief scan, I didn't see anything that would make me think his abduction was due to an organization, and I'd appreciate your sharing what you know.

[Dave1001]

What makes you think that? I had never heard of the Gosches before this thread. I read a couple of articles, and my first impression is that her son was abducted, but she's really nutso. In my brief scan, I didn't see anything that would make me think his abduction was due to an organization, and I'd appreciate your sharing what you know.

I only know what is written in the links I posted. I skimmed them, and combined with the child porn type pic that's been publicly released (and posted to this thread) of Johnny Gosch, likely taken shortly after his kidnapping, it seems pretty likely to me that he was abducted and used to make child porn. Beyond that I don't know, but the the authors in the links claim to present quite a bit of evidence that there was a child sex ring involving some prominent political and business leaders of Omaha, with a national reach. I have not encountered well written debunkings yet of these aspects of the CT concerning Gosch.

[Dave1001]

The pics don't really solidify anything for me. Quite the opposite. The gags, at least, are flimsy at best, and definitely not anything that would silence the boys. It looks seriously staged. Someone mentioned on the other thread that the boys are close to each other and would likely be able to help each other get loose, and it seems that way to me, so I'm betting they weren't like that for a long period of time.

Yeah, I concur with those observations. I see those pics not as evidence that he was abudcted and held against his will (I think that that's widely accepted, even if not 100% substantiated), but rather that he was used to make child porn. Like you said, it looks staged.

[Brainster]

It does sound quite loony, but weirdly substantiated in some areas, such as the recent photo that turned up.

Although Gannon is not necessarily connected, he remains irritatingly unexplained overall for those that subscribe to a non-CT theory of American governance.

He had graduated from high school when Gosch was kidnapped, so he's not the same person. As for the "explanation" of Gannon, he was a reporter for a conservative news service and so of course this White House was going to give him a press pass. The fact that he had a sideline business is interesting, but most of the speculation about a connection between the two strikes me as farfetched.

[valis]

I have to agree that the woman comes across as somewhat unhinged. But on the other hand I find elements of this much more believable than the 9/11 CTs.

For one there was something similar in Belgium:
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9608/23/belgium.child/index.html

For two there is that picture. It looks like it was staged for child porn, and dangit the kid went somewhere. It is very disturbing to think that there are organized groups of people making porn and 'disposing' of the actors and actresses afterword.

Frankly if that photo had been a regular snapshot I would be saying the Mother had the photo all along and made the story up to gain attention. But someone had three kids tied up and held the picture all these years and then sent her the photo.

Something is really wrong and disturbing about this.

[sillyhead]

I'd like to know when the police got the pic, for one thing. I hope it was some time before I saw it.

I keep coming back to that diary, though. I don't know if it's published online, and I doubt it is, but I'm really interested in that. I'll dig up something about it tomorrow.
Thanks,
C

[Dave1001]

He had graduated from high school when Gosch was kidnapped, so he's not the same person. As for the "explanation" of Gannon, he was a reporter for a conservative news service and so of course this White House was going to give him a press pass. The fact that he had a sideline business is interesting, but most of the speculation about a connection between the two strikes me as farfetched.

No, I don't think Gannon is Johnny Gosch, and I think the attempts to connect him to the Gosch CT are tenuous at best. I just think the Gannon story remains weird and unexplained to my satisfaction, and this CT reminded me of that. Is it substantiated that he received numerous overnight passes to the White House? Also my understanding is that he did not receive his press pass through normal channels. Is that incorrect?

[Brainster]

No, I don't think Gannon is Johnny Gosch, and I think the attempts to connect him to the Gosch CT are tenuous at best. I just think the Gannon story remains weird and unexplained to my satisfaction, and this CT reminded me of that. Is it substantiated that he received numerous overnight passes to the White House? Also my understanding is that he did not receive his press pass through normal channels. Is that incorrect?

No, he did not receive overnight passes. As for his press pass, he did not have a permanent pass like many White House reporters. He had to arrange for daily passes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36733-2005Feb18.html).

Dismissing speculation that he had a permanent White House press pass, which requires a full-blown FBI background check that usually takes months, Gannon said he could not get one because he was required to first get a pass from the Senate press gallery, which did not consider him to be working for a legitimate news organization. Instead, he said he was admitted on a day-to-day basis after supplying his real name, date of birth and Social Security number. He said he did not use a pseudonym to hide his past but because his real last name is hard to spell and pronounce.

Actually I suspect that last part is BS; how many ways are there to pronounce Guckert. I think he just disliked the name because it's rather drab.

I tend to think that a lot of the speculation about Gannon is just Bush Derangement Syndrome with a not-so-subtle undercurrent of gay-bashing--the Bushies are secretly a bunch of homos! As for the Gosch/child porn/government ties stuff, it's about as credible as those stories of babies being raped in the Superdome last year. It depends a lot on people suspending reality to believe that some of the most powerful men in the country are secret pedophiles. While I don't doubt that there are isolated instances where it is true, I doubt that they would be foolish enough to reveal themselves to each other, or participate in pedophile orgies at the Bohemian Grove (to mention one of the wilder conspiracies).

[Dave1001]

As for the Gosch/child porn/government ties stuff, it's about as credible as those stories of babies being raped in the Superdome last year. It depends a lot on people suspending reality to believe that some of the most powerful men in the country are secret pedophiles. While I don't doubt that there are isolated instances where it is true, I doubt that they would be foolish enough to reveal themselves to each other, or participate in pedophile orgies at the Bohemian Grove (to mention one of the wilder conspiracies).

Let's take out the Bohemian Grove and Gannon. The links at the top of this thread claim to substantiate a wider network of pedophiles including powerful men centered but not exclusive to Ohama. Has this CT been authoritatively debunked yet? If so, links please.

[CurtC]

The links at the top of this thread claim to substantiate a wider network of pedophiles including powerful men centered but not exclusive to Ohama.
I didn't see anything like that substantiated, I just saw quotes from Noreen Gosch to that effect. Where did you see anyone else but her saying these things?

Has this CT been authoritatively debunked yet? If so, links please.
A wide network of pedophiles including multiple powerful men would be quite the extraordiary claim. I'd need to see pretty good evidence to find that credible, not just the beliefs of one person. It's just a lot more plausible to me that the poor mother of this unlucky kid has mental issues, possibly even induced by the trauma she's been through, than believing a vast pedophile network. Just like many things, until we know what happened to him, and we likely never will, you can't disprove, or debunk, the CT, you can just say that it's not plausible without good evidence. And I haven't seen any evidence.

[Brainster]

Let's take out the Bohemian Grove and Gannon. The links at the top of this thread claim to substantiate a wider network of pedophiles including powerful men centered but not exclusive to Ohama. Has this CT been authoritatively debunked yet? If so, links please.

I have put together a very careful proof that shows that no powerful men centered on but not exclusive to Ohama are guilty. Now, if you're talking about Omaha, that I have not been able to rule out conclusively.

[Dave1001]

I have put together a very careful proof that shows that no powerful men centered on but not exclusive to Ohama are guilty. Now, if you're talking about Omaha, that I have not been able to rule out conclusively.

Show me, please. Thanks.

[Dave1001]

I didn't see anything like that substantiated, I just saw quotes from Noreen Gosch to that effect. Where did you see anyone else but her saying these things?

Did you read the links? Particularly the last one.

http://www.franklincase.org/indepth.htm

They consisted of a lot more than Noreen Gosch quotes. There was a whole court case and political battle in Omaha about this according to them. Not to say that this CT is true, but it does seem to have a wider base than quotes from Noreen Gosch.

[Gravy]

From the Close Reading Department
I have put together a very careful proof that shows that no powerful men centered on but not exclusive to Ohama are guilty. Now, if you're talking about Omaha, that I have not been able to rule out conclusively.
Show me, please. Thanks.

[Brainache]

There was a similar conspiracy theory e few years ago here in NSW alleging state parliamentarians and high court justices in some kind of pedophile ring.
IIRC it was being spread by the religious right wing nutters in parliament.
I don't recall anything ever coming out of it.

[sophia8]

There was a similar conspiracy theory e few years ago here in NSW alleging state parliamentarians and high court justices in some kind of pedophile ringAnd there's been similar claims (http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html) made here in the UK.

[Dave1001]

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[Dave1001]

From the Close Reading Department

Oh, I get it. It was a typo.

[Childlike Empress]

@Dave: Are you aware of the so called "Call Boys Scandal" that took place in Washington DC at the same time?

Frontpage of the Washington Times, June 29 1989 (http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/WashingtonTimes.htm)

KARLYN BARKER, WASHINGTON POST, JULY 24, 1990: The alleged leader of what authorities have called the largest male prostitution operation in the Washington area surrendered to federal agents yesterday and pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges that have been filed against him and three alleged accomplices. Henry W. Vinson, 29, of Williamson, W.Va., a coal miner's son accused of setting up the homosexual escort service, was arraigned in U.S. District Court here yesterday afternoon after turning himself in to Secret Service agents . . . At a news conference after the arraignment, [U.S. Attorney Jay] Stephens said the investigation into the alleged prostitution ring "is concluded" and that the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday, focused on those who allegedly set up the ring rather than on clients who reportedly patronized it. Asked about earlier reports that some of those clients included high-level officials in the Reagan and Bush administrations, Stephens said the investigation had not revealed "additional conduct which suggests criminal conduct on behalf of other people." . . . The Vinson case provoked additional notice after The Washington Times published reports last summer suggesting that the alleged prostitution ring had been patronized by government officials. The Times named as clients several low-level government employees and Craig J. Spence, a Washington lobbyist and party-giver who, the paper said, took friends and prostitutes on late-night tours of the White House. Spence was found dead in a Boston hotel room last fall, and authorities ruled his death a suicide . . . To date, however, investigators have disclosed no evidence linking any high-level government official to the escort service.

Craig Spence was, according to John DeCamp, closely connected to Lawrence King and the Franklin Case.

Archive of articles mostly from the Washington Times covering the "Call Boys Scandal" (http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/article_archive.htm)
(Collected by Sander Hicks, so feel free to concentrate on the articles and ignore his comments if you think he is a "CT").

These links are from my archives. I havn't looked into it very much and don't know how credible the whole story is. Unfortunately there seem to be similar stories in a lot of countries.

[kevin]

Is this case related to "satan worshippers made me kill children in the pentagram in their basement" stories that were going around in the 80's? or was that just the "recovered" memory movement that set that off?

[Dave1001]

@Dave: Are you aware of the so called "Call Boys Scandal" that took place in Washington DC at the same time?

Frontpage of the Washington Times, June 29 1989 (http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/WashingtonTimes.htm)



Craig Spence was, according to John DeCamp, closely connected to Lawrence King and the Franklin Case.

Archive of articles mostly from the Washington Times covering the "Call Boys Scandal" (http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/article_archive.htm)
(Collected by Sander Hicks, so feel free to concentrate on the articles and ignore his comments if you think he is a "CT").

These links are from my archives. I havn't looked into it very much and don't know how credible the whole story is. Unfortunately there seem to be similar stories in a lot of countries.

Interesting. So, where are the thorough skeptical analyses of these CT's? Particularly of the strongest forms of these CT's. I've been impressed by the thorough skpetical critiques of the strongest of the 9/11 CTs.

[Dave1001]

Is this case related to "satan worshippers made me kill children in the pentagram in their basement" stories that were going around in the 80's? or was that just the "recovered" memory movement that set that off?

I'm more interested in critiques of the strongest forms of these CT's rather than the weaker, more strawmanesque forms of them. Theories that satanists are in high positions of govt. or that Gannon is Gosch seem far-fetched to me. The highest positions of govt. are filled by narcissists, they're not going to waste their time worshipping anything else behind closed doors.

[CurtC]

Did you read the links? Particularly the last one.

http://www.franklincase.org/indepth.htm
Well, I didn't read that link, because it's not in the OP. That page describes a sordid investigation that sounds like the McMartin preschool case. Some of the snippets that I thought were telling:
Through Paul’s abuse and trauma he had developed multiple personality disorder. One of Paul’s personalities used his mind as if it were a computer, storing information: names, dates, and places. Paul’s ability to remember exact places, dates, and names helped Caradori corroborate much of Alisha Troy, and Danny’s testimonies.
Anyone with the slightest understanding of "recovered memories" would have their baloney detector blaring at that point.

Then the grand jury decided:Two and half years after Franklin’s doors had been closed in November of 1988 the Grand Jury finally issued its Franklin Case Report. Only twelve days after Caradori’s death, the Grand Jury testified that the entire case was "A Carefully Crafted Hoax."By 1988, they could see what had been going on.

Thanks for pointing out that site. Yes, there were allegations of a wider scandal, from other people besides Noreen, but that had about as much credibility as Noreen's: next to zero.

[kevin]

most of the links i'm seeing refer back to the washington times article. did no further articles get published in the washington times or other papers?

I see these in the Times:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE4D6173BF931A25752C1A96F9482 60
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA071FFB3A580C738DDDA10894D1484D 81
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0C17F83A5C0C7B8DDDA80894DA484D 81

[Childlike Empress]

By 1988, they could see what had been going on.
Graaaaaaavy!

most of the links i'm seeing refer back to the washington times article. did no further articles get published in the washington times or other papers?
18 articles from the WT are archived in the link i posted if i counted correctly. Plus "the" article.

[Dave1001]

Well, I didn't read that link, because it's not in the OP. That page describes a sordid investigation that sounds like the McMartin preschool case. Some of the snippets that I thought were telling:

Anyone with the slightest understanding of "recovered memories" would have their baloney detector blaring at that point.

Then the grand jury decided:By 1988, they could see what had been going on.

Thanks for pointing out that site. Yes, there were allegations of a wider scandal, from other people besides Noreen, but that had about as much credibility as Noreen's: next to zero.

You found some weak points. such as any mention of multiple personalities. But this doesn't read to me like a strong debunking of many of the CT's elements. Anyone have such a debunking? There would be strong stakeholders in it being put together, given the people accused, their significant resources, and a reasonable desire to more thoroughly clear their names.

[Dave1001]

A side question would be what's the largest (in terms of adult participants) true child sexual exploitation CT, and the one that implicates the most powerful people. Given the many allegations that seem to pop up throughout time and geography, I wonder to what degree any have been substantiated. I have the sense that a few times in the Roman Catholic church hierarchy there have been multiple colluding priest-abusers, but I haven't read a lot of authoritative material about that. Also, I've heard more than once about british boarding schools with customary rapings of underclassmen by senior classmen, but I haven't actually read news accounts of exposes or investigations. I'm asking to get a sense whether this ever happens in modern society, or if like the Salem Witchtrials, it says more about irrational human tendencies to engage it particular types of -- witchhunts.

[Brainache]

Trinity Grammar School in Sydney was the scene of some horrific ritual soddomisation. There was a big court case and I think it mostly involved students who were borders there.

[Stellafane]

A side question would be what's the largest (in terms of adult participants) true child sexual exploitation CT, and the one that implicates the most powerful people. Given the many allegations that seem to pop up throughout time and geography, I wonder to what degree any have been substantiated. I have the sense that a few times in the Roman Catholic church hierarchy there have been multiple colluding priest-abusers, but I haven't read a lot of authoritative material about that. Also, I've heard more than once about british boarding schools with customary rapings of underclassmen by senior classmen, but I haven't actually read news accounts of exposes or investigations. I'm asking to get a sense whether this ever happens in modern society, or if like the Salem Witchtrials, it says more about irrational human tendencies to engage it particular types of -- witchhunts.

I don't know whether all her victims were children (I believe a percentage were young women), but for sheer number of victims and powerful perpetrators, it's hard to top the case of Erzsebet Bathory, a Polish contess and niece of the King. She and her palace henchmen dispatched as many as 650 village girls. The Countess believed that she could remain eternally youthful if she continually bathed in the blood of young women, so she worked very hard to ensure there was always a fresh supply on tap. Come to think of it, she'd have made a nice little wife for Ted Bundy, don't you think?

[mlb231]

The very popular DC101 morning radio show here in Washington is giving a ton of air time to the Johnny Gosch case and the conspiracy theories that go with it (XXXXX scroll down to Thursday). Although it is interesting that after talking about this on Friday with a rep from Americas Most Wanted (who seems to have gotten all of her conspiracy facts from the Noreen Gosch’s website) EITM did not mention it in the review. Maybe they are finally getting skeptical too.

I found this from a 1996 article by CSICOP about speakers at a conference on mind control: XXXXXXX (scroll down or search for “Bonacci”, be sure to read through the part about Senator DeCamp and the Franklin Cover-up)

It won’t post the link since this is my <15th post. If you search CSICOP for “franklin cover up” it is the third result, but you MUST FIRST include the “index of articles in Skeptical Inquirer” in the search by clicking on it.

I would also like to see a full scale debunking or at least a summary of the claims and evidence. And can I get that 15 post link rule waived? I’m not going to go through this deleting links and explaining of searches again.

[Dave1001]

The very popular DC101 morning radio show here in Washington is giving a ton of air time to the Johnny Gosch case and the conspiracy theories that go with it (XXXXX scroll down to Thursday). Although it is interesting that after talking about this on Friday with a rep from Americas Most Wanted (who seems to have gotten all of her conspiracy facts from the Noreen Gosch’s website) EITM did not mention it in the review. Maybe they are finally getting skeptical too.

I found this from a 1996 article by CSICOP about speakers at a conference on mind control: XXXXXXX (scroll down or search for “Bonacci”, be sure to read through the part about Senator DeCamp and the Franklin Cover-up)

It won’t post the link since this is my <15th post. If you search CSICOP for “franklin cover up” it is the third result, but you MUST FIRST include the “index of articles in Skeptical Inquirer” in the search by clicking on it.

I would also like to see a full scale debunking or at least a summary of the claims and evidence. And can I get that 15 post link rule waived? I’m not going to go through this deleting links and explaining of searches again.

The mind control stuff sounds like pure woo just from your description of it (of course I might feel differently about it if I put on a tin foil helmet :p ) but I don't see how that discredits the more salient claims and evidence of the Johnny Gosch case any more than the Iran-Contra allegations would be discredited if a narrative sprung up that mind control was involved in that affair.

[sophia8]

For two there is that picture. It looks like it was staged for child porn, and dangit the kid went somewhere. It is very disturbing to think that there are organized groups of people making porn and 'disposing' of the actors and actresses afterword.

Frankly if that photo had been a regular snapshot I would be saying the Mother had the photo all along and made the story up to gain attention. But someone had three kids tied up and held the picture all these years and then sent her the photo.

Something is really wrong and disturbing about this.
Yes. So has anybody found out anything about the photos themselves?
For instance, are they originals or recent copies?
How did they arrive on her doorstep and were they checked for fingerprints?
Has it been established - by somebody other than his mother - that the boy in them is Johnny?
Has anybody come forward with indentifications of any of the other boys?

These photos may be genuine; but if they are, that doesn't prove the existence of a massive top-level coverup of a child porn ring. It doesn't even prove the existence of a child porn ring - only the existence of one or two very sick individuals kidnapping boys for sexual purposes. What they do show - if genuine - is that somebody is playing a very cruel trick on an already disturbed woman.

[CurtC]

It doesn't even prove the existence of a child porn ring - only the existence of one or two very sick individuals kidnapping boys for sexual purposes.
Not even that.

Mystery solved. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2429828)

[Stellafane]

Not even that.

Mystery solved. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2429828)

Hmm, rather odd turn of events. Could the mother be so desperate to have the case solved, that she misidentified a boy she doesn't even know as her own son?

[CurtC]

Yes, I think she could. I'm not surprised by this new info.

Makes me wonder how the pictures got to her, though. I don't believe her assertion that the pictures were delivered anonymously.

[Aoidoi]

The thing with these sorts of CTs is that there's no real way to nail them down. So the pictures turned out to be of some other kid, and if I'm reading the article right they didn't show anything illegal (i.e. no real kidnapping, abuse, etc.) Even if you could completely disprove this particular abduction (i.e. kid found alive living in the woods), that doesn't disprove the CT. There could be entirely different groups in different places doing it.

9/11 conspiracies there's a limited number of variables, and simple physics disproves a lot of the arguments. In this sort of thing, everyone on the planet is a potential suspect or victim, and there's simply no way to disprove that somewhere this sort of thing is going on. Heck, I figured the whole "locking a girl in the basement as a slave" thing was ridiculous until some cases came out (a guy in NY, and that Austrian girl for example).

I'm certain there have been people who have done every action alleged by these people, and the Catholic Church certainly had an enormous scandal relating to pedophilia and coverups by priests, but how does one go about showing that people in the government aren't involved? Even conceptually it's a daunting task, and at the end of the day you couldn't convince someone who wanted to believe anyway.

[therival58]

For anyone still interested in this case, I would suggest digging up the piece America's Most Wanted did back in November 1992. They go in depth interviewing bonacci, the private investigator, parents, and attorney decamp. Some brief snippets from the show: Bonacci revealed information about Johnny to Noreen Gosch that only she would know. Both the attorney and private investigator set out to debunk Bonacci and expose him as a fraud but ended up believing his story. Decamp asserts that the reason Bonacci got multiple personality disorder was because of the sexual abuse he described.

AMW also covered a strange detail how a private investigator met up with the Goschs and told them another Des Moines paperboy was going to be abducted, and it turned out that Eugene Martin was abducted just weeks later and to this day hasn't been found.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=26170

Some other interesting details on the case

In 1990, Investigator Gary Caradori who was investigating Paul Bonacci's claims for the Nebraska State Legislation, urgently phoned State Senator Loran Schmit from Chicago saying he had found "the smoking gun." Caradori told Schmit he would fly that night from Chicago on his private plane with his son back to Lincoln, Nebraska. The plane exploded over Aurora,Illinois, killing Caradori and his eight year old son. According to an eyewitness, just before hearing the explosion, he saw a "flash of light." Caradori's briefcase and the rear seat to the plane never were recovered.

I'm not sure how people are linking this to the White House allegations, but there is a strong inclination to believe something sinister was happening and nothing was done about it. If nothing else, there remains a lot of questions unanswered.

[Scott Sommers]

Archive of articles mostly from the Washington Times covering the "Call Boys Scandal" (http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/article_archive.htm)
(Collected by Sander Hicks, so feel free to concentrate on the articles and ignore his comments if you think he is a "CT").

You are aware the Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church.

[Childlike Empress]

You are aware the Washington Times is owned by the Unification Church.


Finally a correct psychic reading from you.