Priest Dies

[Eos of the Eons]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=17646670%26method=full%26siteid=66633-name_page.html
A PRIEST has died after trying to demonstrate how Jesus walked on water.


Oops. Guess he didn't have enough faith?

[Brainache]

This isn't another Steve Irwin thread is it?

[fuelair]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=17646670%26method=full%26siteid=66633-name_page.html

Oops. Guess he didn't have enough faith?

done already - pretty much seen as fake news (no back-up).

[Eos of the Eons]

Irwin was no priest dude.

fuelair, you saying nobody can confirm there was a priest named Franck Kabele, or that he didn't really die after trying to cross the estuary?

[Apathia]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=62856

[Eos of the Eons]

Ooops, old news! Thank you Hyparxis. I've been unable to find out anything more substansive on the story as well, like what church he was from.

[Azure]

I still can't figure out how he could drown.

Naturally the body would be buoyant, and if he didn't force himself to stay underwater, wouldn't he come to the top?

[Eos of the Eons]

LOL. Yeah, he meant he was going to walk under water all the way to the next side, and was wearing weights...

[rachaella]

I'd seriously like to know if the priest's body has been found. Could he somehow be alive somewhere, too embarassed to face anyone?

[ponderingturtle]

I still can't figure out how he could drown.

Naturally the body would be buoyant, and if he didn't force himself to stay underwater, wouldn't he come to the top?

So people can't drown?

[Loss Leader]

I was the first to posit that this story was not true. As yet, I still can find no verification of any of the very few "facts" in the article. The only nwes sources to run the story have been less than reputable. It looks very much like it did not happen.

[Dave1001]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=17646670%26method=full%26siteid=66633-name_page.html

Oops. Guess he didn't have enough faith?

That's sad.

[Dave1001]

I was the first to posit that this story was not true. As yet, I still can find no verification of any of the very few "facts" in the article. The only nwes sources to run the story have been less than reputable. It looks very much like it did not happen.

Ah, nicely done Loss Leader.

[Azure]

So people can't drown?

Sure they can drown. But naturally a body would come to the surface.

Or not?

[Foster Zygote]

Sure they can drown. But naturally a body would come to the surface.

Or not?

Well if our dubious priest was wearing his heavy vestments I can't imagine that he wouldn't drown after wading into the sea. Drowning victims often sink, only to re-float later after decomposition fills their body cavities with gas. Why back when I worked for the Gambino family... Uhhh, never mind.

Steven

[Lonewulf]

Uh, yeah, what Azure said. Not only do you have the whole buoyancy issue, but well...

The priest doesn't know how to swim? And no one thought to try to get him out of the water when they saw that he couldn't walk on water?

The whole story stinks to high heaven (har har).

[Azure]

Well if our dubious priest was wearing his heavy vestments I can't imagine that he wouldn't drown after wading into the sea. Drowning victims often sink, only to re-float later after decomposition fills their body cavities with gas. Why back when I worked for the Gambino family... Uhhh, never mind.

Steven

Even then, don't you think someone would have at least jumped in and saved him.

Or done something. :confused:

[Foster Zygote]

Even then, don't you think someone would have at least jumped in and saved him.

Or done something. :confused:

Yeah, that's the question that disturbs me too. I suppose by the time the flock* realized he was in trouble it was too late.

Steven

*I've always found it interesting that Christianity makes use of the shepherd/sheep metaphor. Sheep aren't renowned for their cognition.

[Lonewulf]

Yeah, that's the question that disturbs me too. I suppose by the time the flock* realized he was in trouble it was too late.

Steven

*I've always found it interesting that Christianity makes use of the shepherd/sheep metaphor. Sheep aren't renowned for their cognition.

Either that, or the story is, as mentioned before, very dubious in it's factuality.

[Foster Zygote]

Either that, or the story is, as mentioned before, very dubious in it's factuality.

True, unless some other sources report it I'll put it in my "most likely utter bulls**t" file.

Steven

[Azure]

Yeah, that's the question that disturbs me too. I suppose by the time the flock* realized he was in trouble it was too late.

Steven

*I've always found it interesting that Christianity makes use of the shepherd/sheep metaphor. Sheep aren't renowned for their cognition.

Or he had his 'flock' so brainwashed that most of them still believed his going under was merely an illusion.

Or something. :D

[Foster Zygote]

Or he had his 'flock' so brainwashed that most of them still believed his going under was merely an illusion.

Or something. :D

Good point. Since this report is highly dubious let's treat it as a hypothetical situation. It's certainly conceivable that the parishioners were just as certain of this miracle as the priest himself, and therefore weren't sure what to do. "Should we go in after him?" "Will that show a lack of faith on our part?" "Shall we drive 'round the other side and wait for him?"

Steven

[ponderingturtle]

Sure they can drown. But naturally a body would come to the surface.

Or not?

But wasn't that the point, that there is no way he could have drowned because he would have floated? IF you think that then it must be imposible to drown

[Azure]

Good point. Since this report is highly dubious let's treat it as a hypothetical situation. It's certainly conceivable that the parishioners were just as certain of this miracle as the priest himself, and therefore weren't sure what to do. "Should we go in after him?" "Will that show a lack of faith on our part?" "Shall we drive 'round the other side and wait for him?"

Steven

"Have faith, he'll come up again.."

:o

[Azure]

But wasn't that the point, that there is no way he could have drowned because he would have floated? IF you think that then it must be imposible to drown

Go jump into the water, don't struggle at all, and tell me if your body naturally comes to the surface.

[ponderingturtle]

Go jump into the water, don't struggle at all, and tell me if your body naturally comes to the surface.

So, drowning is an urban myth? The kid my brother treated last year didn't accidentaly fall into the pool and drown but must have been held under by his family I guess.

[Silly Green Monkey]

People can easily drown in two inches of water. It's not necessary to submerge to drown.

[I less than three logic]

Go jump into the water, don't struggle at all, and tell me if your body naturally comes to the surface.
Ever seen the show Brainiac? It's a British science program, of sorts. I watch it on G4 every once in a while. They have a segment called, fat vs thin, where they take an overweight man and an underweight man and test them to see who does better at certain challenges. Such as hot and cold weather, they place them in a hot room or freezer to see who maintains their body temp better, that sort of thing.

Well, to get the the point, they had one challenge to see who would survive better if stranded in water. The overweight man had no problems at all, he simply displaced more water than he weighted, fat being lighter than water. The underweight man, on the other hand, had to put forth an effort to say floating. After a few minutes of floating on his back he started to sink and had to use movement to say afloat. He would clearly have exhausted himself after so long and simply sank.

There is a reason for life jackets you know, not everyone is naturally buoyant. By your argument if any unconscious person fell in the water they should always float, I'm not sure that is the case.

[Azure]

So, drowning is an urban myth? The kid my brother treated last year didn't accidentaly fall into the pool and drown but must have been held under by his family I guess.

I never said that.

Most people who drown can't swim, struggle to get to the surface, and put themselves in a worse position.

[Azure]

There is a reason for life jackets you know, not everyone is naturally buoyant. By your argument if any unconscious person fell in the water they should always float, I'm not sure that is the case.

Last year at the local swimming pool, about 20 kids took part to see if their bodies naturally rise to the surface. All 20 proceded to jump in, and all 20, when they didn't struggle, had a hard time NOT rising to the top.

Why do divers wear weights?

[Dark Jaguar]

I rise to the top but my mouth is still under water when I just "float". I have to push a bit if I want to breathe. Being at the top of the water just isn't quite good enough.

[I less than three logic]

Last year at the local swimming pool, about 20 kids took part to see if their bodies naturally rise to the surface. All 20 proceded to jump in, and all 20, when they didn't struggle, had a hard time NOT rising to the top.

Why do divers wear weights?
Average people tend to have a bit of body fat as well. Not everyone however. The thin man on the show looks like he weights about 60 pounds, quite skin and bones looking. He simply didn't displace enough water to keep himself up.

Weren't you the one whining about generalizations a bit ago? :)

[Azure]

Average people tend to have a bit of body fat as well. Not everyone however. The thin man on the show looks like he weights about 60 pounds, quite skin and bones looking. He simply didn't displace enough water to keep himself up.


Fair enough. Again, I'm just looking at what I saw.

I was the lifeguard in charge, so I had to make sure each person wasn't in danger.

Weren't you the one whining about generalizations a bit ago? :)

Hey I appreciate your explanation. I never realized what body fat can do while underwater.

[I less than three logic]

Fair enough. Again, I'm just looking at what I saw.

I was the lifeguard in charge, so I had to make sure each person wasn't in danger.
No, your right in a sense, most bodies will naturally float. Just not necessarily everyone.

ETA - There is more keeping you afloat than just body fat as well. Such as the air in your lungs, kind of like a submarine. If one were to inhale some water, aside from the whole problem of breathing and staying alive, they would lose some of their buoyancy and be more inclined to sink.

Hey I appreciate your explanation. I never realized what body fat can do while underwater.
You've heard of peoples percentage of body fat, right? There are a few ways to measure it.

Perhaps you've heard a persons BMI (body mass index)? It is a simple, but often mistaken, way of getting a general idea of a person's body fat. It is often wrong because it simply a measure of their height against their weight, but muscle weights more than fat, so if you're very muscular you might weight the same or more than if you were mostly fat. Since your height doesn't change either way, this can make your BMI number very inaccurate.

Another is the skin pinch method. They pinch and measure the thickness of certain areas of your body, stomach, thighs, or biceps. To determine how much body fat a person has.

The most accurate method involves water, however. They simply get your weight normally. Then they weigh you under water. You can figure out how much body fat a person has mathematically by the buoyancy it provides in water. Fairly interesting I suppose. :)

[Azure]

You've heard of peoples percentage of body fat, right? There are a few ways to measure it.

Perhaps you've heard a persons BMI (body mass index)? It is a simple, but often mistaken, way of getting a general idea of a person's body fat. It is often wrong because it simply a measure of their height against their weight, but muscle weights more than fat, so if you're very muscular you might weight the same or more than if you were mostly fat. Since your height doesn't change either way, this can make your BMI number very inaccurate.

Another is the skin pinch method. They pinch and measure the thickness of certain areas of your body, stomach, thighs, or biceps. To determine how much body fat a person has.

The most accurate method involves water, however. They simply get your weight normally. Then they weigh you under water. You can figure out how much body fat a person has mathematically by the buoyancy it provides in water. Fairly interesting I suppose. :)

We used the BMI to find out what our body fat was before the start of each hockey season.

Never heard of it done in the water though. Interesting.

[ponderingturtle]

I never said that.

Most people who drown can't swim, struggle to get to the surface, and put themselves in a worse position.

No you didn't say that, you just implied that drowning is very hard to do.

[ponderingturtle]

Last year at the local swimming pool, about 20 kids took part to see if their bodies naturally rise to the surface. All 20 proceded to jump in, and all 20, when they didn't struggle, had a hard time NOT rising to the top.

Why do divers wear weights?

The air tank is boyant.

[CyCrow]

Most people barely float when their lungs are filled with air and holding their breath, but sink if they exhale. Divers also use breathing for fine control of bouyancy.

// CyCrow